Special Edition: Goal Setting

In this episode, Mike Donaldson discusses the importance of goal setting with Shawn Mennenga, who shares his unique perspective on achieving goals through S.M.A.R.T. criteria and the impact of daily habits. They explore the role of coaching, the significance of neutral thinking in overcoming setbacks, and the mindset required for success. Shawn provides practical examples from sports and agriculture, emphasizing the need for small, actionable steps to reach larger goals. The conversation highlights the importance of evaluating progress and focusing on daily tasks to achieve long-term success.

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Transcript

Chris Radke (00:01)
Welcome to AK Podcasts, where we typically explore science and nutrition behind livestock care and management with the best of the best in the business. I'm your host, Chris Radke, part of the Sales and Marketing team here at Agri-King. And with me today, as usual, is the Director of Field Services and a member of the Sales Management Team, Mr. Mike Donaldson Mike, how you doing, buddy?

Mike Donaldson (00:22)
Very well, Chris, how's everything going in your world?

Chris Radke (00:25)
we're pretty good we are pretty good It's ⁓ it's a lovely day outside I'm excited about topic today so Mike who we talk with and what we talk about

Mike Donaldson (00:34)
Well, today we have a change of pace. Everything you said in your introduction, we're going to blow right out the door here. It's not going to be an AG purely AG topic today. It seems in business and private life, one of the most common topics that cycles through is the importance of setting goals, how to set good goals, and more importantly, how to achieve them. I'm fortunate to work regularly with today's guests and recently,

Chris Radke (00:44)
Yeah, yeah.

Mike Donaldson (01:03)
We were talking about goals for his Agri-King region. He opened my eyes to some intriguing, new to me thoughts about goals. He was kind enough to give a short presentation at our most recent Agri-King Development group meeting. At that meeting, Chris, you got to experience these thoughts. Afterwards, Chris asked me what I thought about having this man on the podcast, and here we are. So if this doesn't go well, it is all on Chris Radke.

Shawn and I are completely innocent of anything. So with that kind of long and disjointed introduction, please join me in welcoming the Agri-King Regional Manager for our Michigan Region, Shawn Mennenga. Shawn, please give us a little about your background.

Chris Radke (01:36)
I'll take it, I'll take it.

Shawn Mennenga (01:51)
I took a different path to Agri-King and agriculture. I had a previous career that for about 30 years I was a football coach. When I graduated college I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do in life and thought I was going to be a physical therapist and was taking class at the University of Iowa and was working part-time and coached some high school football in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Over the course of time I decided that I like coaching football a lot more than I like trying to get into physical therapy school. So the running joke is my wife always thought she was going to marry a physical therapist and in the meantime she married a football coach that lasts about 30 years. I coached basically at every level from high school, junior college, NAIA, Division II, FCS, Division I, the FBS and the NFL for nine years.

That career lasted about 30 years and I decided to make a career change after I think we counted it up about 16 moves in a little over 30 years and this is the 11th state we've lived in. So our kids are graduated out of the house now and stuff, but decided it was time to, guess, have a little more firm roots than what we've had in the past. And the opportunity opened up at Agri-King here in Michigan and our daughter was living in Ohio at the time. We just thought this would be a great move for us and it's been great so far.

Mike Donaldson (03:14)
Well, it's certainly been, you've been a very welcome addition to Agri-King, Shawn. And for those of you who wonder, yes, he has amazing stories about coaching at those different levels. I sometimes try not to ask those kind of fan boy questions about what was it like in such and such a city and such and such a team. But if you ever meet Shawn, he's very willing to share. But the purpose we're here today, start us down the path of how

you've learned to look at goals, everything from setting them and achieving them, but especially the approach you take almost from a day-to-day basis.

Shawn Mennenga (03:57)
I think, you know, as I mentioned before, I think when we set goals, everyone sets goals, but I think in order to set the goals the right way, you always talk about setting, you know, there's, there's all kinds of goals that people talk about. the one I've kind of latched onto is, is S.M.A.R.T. goals where, ⁓ you know, the acronym is, you know, the S is for specific, ⁓ the is for measurable, you know, the A is for attainable.

R is for relevant and T is for time-bound. So if you set those specific things and know what you're trying to achieve, to me that's really just the starting point though to where you're trying to get to. I mean the end goal may be the, for example, as I talked about in the development group was, know, if I'm trying to drive across the country, the end goal, if I'm starting in New York City and driving to arrive in San Francisco, that's the end goal, but there's a lot of steps along the way.

that I think are really more important to get you there than just focusing on the end goal. I think sometimes people start with this big grandiose end goal that they want to get to and don't really know how they want to get there. So, you know, as I talked about in the development group, think there's really, there's several factors that can keep you from getting to your end goal. And, you know, one of those is external factors.

And there can be all kinds of external factors, you know, from the economy to your finances to, you know, facilities, climate, weather, you know, your geography, where you live at. There's all kinds of things. But at end of the day, you have no control over those things. So, again, we take that out. I think the other two factors that can keep people from achieving their end goal or having long-term success is their mindset is an important one. And I think, you know,

I think within that mindset it's your perception of how you perceive things and also your ego can get in the way. We all have egos, we all have different perceptions. One of the things I showed in the group was different pictures, in psychology you'll see those where it can be one of two things or several different things and half the group would see the picture the one way, the other half the group might see the picture the

different way but it's again it's your perception. Nothing's right or nothing's wrong it's just how you perceive it. So I think that's another factor and then the other thing is not having those daily habits those small daily habits and the small plans to help you achieve the end goal I think really can stop people. you know I think setting the right goals and

And then, but more importantly, working your way back from that end goal of to how you want to achieve it and setting up small steps and small road markers along the way to help measure whether you're getting there or not.

Mike Donaldson (06:56)
One of the, think the thing that really caught my attention and at your recommendation, I did read the book Atomic Goals and that probably was the biggest departure for me. I think I did some of those things sort of naturally, but understanding how that approach is a much more effective way to achieve your big goal, to get across the country.

And I know you were pretty open about the impact of that book specifically on how you put this together. So can you give our audience a little bit of insight into that book?

Shawn Mennenga (07:38)
Yeah, Atomic Habits is a book that I've read and it's by James Clear. It's been a New York bestseller that I think is, it's basically small changes and small improvements. 1%, improving 1% each day can lead to the compound effect over time. You're going to have marked improvements. I think creating those systems and small systems and habits on a daily basis.

to help you achieve the end game is gonna be more important than just focusing completely on that goal. Because again, goals are, at the end of the day, a goal is out in the future and you have no control of the future. All you have control over is what the here and now. know, one thing we talked about in coaching all the time, you have control of your focus, your attitude, your effort is really the things you have control over at the moment and then in that moment today. So what are you gonna do today that's gonna help lead to

you know, helping achieve that goal down the road.

Mike Donaldson (08:42)
So can you give us maybe one or two examples, maybe one outside of AG, it could be the driving across the country or something you worked on with a team. And then maybe an example in AG of how you would take that big goal and break it down into something smaller.

Shawn Mennenga (09:02)
Yeah, I mean, again, going back to, for example, football, you know, everybody wants to win the Super Bowl. But at the end of the day, you've got to you've got to then work backwards of the playoffs, the regular season all the way back to, you know, training camp and on into mini camp and things like that and plan backwards. And then what are you going to do on Monday through Friday of mini camp? How's your structure going to be your meeting schedule, your

your lifting schedule, your practice schedule, and then it becomes focusing on setting a goal for mini camp. What do you want to get achieved on offense, defense, special teams for mini camp? What do you want to have, you know, your first seven installs done for each phase? And your guys are, you shown marked improvement on that and a great understanding of that. And again, setting a S.M.A.R.T goal to be able to measure those things.

Not worrying about the end of the day, you want to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. You can't control those things there in the future. All you can control is today on Monday, exactly what I have to do today. And that again, it's focused on the here and now. Even within that day, if I'm going to be, and I have a lifting session, I'm going to go ahead.

And I'm focused on exactly what I have to do using the proper technique, given the maximum effort I can to help improve my body at that moment. Cause that's the only thing I can control at that point. And then when I move on to going into meetings, having the right, you know, your iPad and your notes and ready to go and you have the right focus and you're, paying attention to what's being said and you're absorbing those things and taking good notes because those are things you can control in the moment. ⁓ from an AG related sense, I mean,

You know, if I'm, if I'm again, I'm getting ready to plant crops, uh, you know, looking back, know that harvest is going to be weather permitting sometime in the fall, you know, the end of September, beginning of October through mid October weather, depending, but then working my way back, knowing what I have to try to achieve, you know, as far as, uh, again, when I want to, you know, when I want to harvest, but working my way back to.

all the way back to getting the equipment ready, you know, to doing my soil test to know exactly, you know, the fertilizer, at what point do need to fertilize? What am I going to use to fertilize? What crops am I going to plant on certain fields as I rotate them out? When do I need to plant those? And working my way back to have the equipment and have my crews ready to go, understanding what they need to do. And then from there, it's setting those daily.

standards of what needs to be done on today on Monday. This is what we're focused on within that. We're getting the equipment ready. We're getting ready to plant. This set of crews are being more nice to go in and be ready to do their jobs and know exactly what they have to do and have a clear understanding what's done and then have them focused on that moment in that day to do the very best that they can.

Mike Donaldson (12:10)
So it could be either if I was a player or if I'm a farmer, what role do, I guess I'm going to go with the player side. What role does a coach play in helping me make that daily goal? I I'm assuming there's some of this that involves me just deciding to get up in time in the morning. I mean, there's things that are my responsibility, but

There's got to be a role that coaches trusted advisors play in helping someone formulate either that, you know, the, the, the, the training camp goals or the planting goals. How does that come together?

Shawn Mennenga (12:57)
Yeah, I think everybody has the ability to coach. I coaching is teaching and and leading. Coaching is helping lead. And I think it's it's helping people understand the here's what needs to be done, but also the why of why this needs to be done and then the how the best ways to get it done so that they understand that my my role is important in this and this is why I'm doing this. I think too many times people, you know,

just tell people what to do and then they don't explain the how and the why and there gets to be some confusion along the way and again I don't think that leads to the best attitudes. If you can make it see, help people to understand this is why they're doing it, this is how to do it the best way and then help them decide to be able to do that, I think that you get more buy in and it leads to better effort, better learning and hopefully at the end better results.

Mike Donaldson (13:54)
What role does dealing with either temporary or long-term failure play into how you work through that? mean, talk about the things maybe you couldn't control that kept you from even making a team, I guess, back in your football days or the drought that wipes out your crop.

regardless of how much you did, how does the focusing on the small things help someone deal with that kind of setback?

Shawn Mennenga (14:32)
Yeah, think the other part I haven't talked about is the small daily habits, the Atomic Habits, but it's also, I'm a big believer in what I call neutral thinking, where it's objective, present thinking, taking the emotions out of it and deciding, here's what happened, here's why it happened, and what are the next steps that need to be done. And there's gonna be failures along the way, there's gonna be successes along the way, but.

If I can take as much of my, without being, you're not a machine, you're still passionate about things and all those things and you're still, you still work as hard as you can. But at the end of the day, if I can take as much of the emotion and make it as objective as possible, then I can figure out this is why failed. It was the Olympics and the swimmer and there was a shoulder strain. So at the end of the day, they're not gonna be able to swim their very best times.

at the last second, you know, somebody got sick, was something, some factor was out of their control happened. And it wasn't meant that they failed in the moment. They're not a failure because of that. It just, was a failure in the moment and, or they didn't achieve what they wanted to achieve. But then how do they, how are they able to move on from that? And I think being neutral thinking helps, I think, overcome those things. It's not overly,

overly positive and you set yourself up for potentially not being able to achieve something and you definitely don't want to be a negative thinker because you give yourself no chance. But if you can objectively look at it, take as much of the emotion out of it and then decide, hey, this is why this happened. These are the adjustments we need to make. And then you move on and you again use those small daily habits you've built up to then help move forward after that.

Mike Donaldson (16:25)
When you were, you were helping me with the, you know, the specific book we were working on was Atomic Habits. And it was about the time during the football playoffs that one of the players on the Philadelphia Eagles got a whole new level of fame because on the bench she was reading Inner Excellence. And you mentioned that that was another one of these, these books that you've really used to put your, your philosophy together. And I think that was the one that you're

dealing talking about now is it from Inner Excellence?

Shawn Mennenga (16:57)
Yeah, Excellence has a lot of those concepts. The other couple books where I'm talking specifically about the neutral thinking, it's giving a name to it. mean, in Inner Excellence, he's in a roundabout way, it's the same concepts. But there's a mental coach named Trevor Moawad that worked with several, started off in tennis and then...

Mike Donaldson (17:05)
Okay.

Shawn Mennenga (17:21)
started working with the Jaguars and then worked his way through and worked with Russell Wilson and several different NFL teams. And Alabama when they were winning national championships and Georgia and several of Nick Saban's disciples have used him in different teams. Florida State with Jimbo Fisher when they won a national championship. He was really focused again on the, it's basically in football and in sports, it's the next play mentality where you can objectively look at.

Here's what just happened. It's in the past. I can learn from it, but I'm not going to dwell on it because I can't control that. And I have no control over the next play in the future moving forward. All I control is the next play right now in this moment and staying focused on that. think that's what people can get off track. A lot of times is they either look in the past too long and they start losing confidence. They start and they dwell on things or they're too worried about the future.

and they have no control over that and they lose track of what's today and the present that they can control and they don't end up, they set themselves up for failure moving forward because they're not doing the things right now to help them be more successful.

Mike Donaldson (18:34)
What do you think leads to ideas like this? Either people being willfully blind to them, choosing not to put in the work to do these things. It seems a very logical and simple process, but books on goal setting, this whole concept seems evergreen. It's like it never ends. There's always.

another version, there's always another discussion. I guess at some level, this be a course in school somewhere that's not being taught? What is it that leads to so many adults coming to these ideas? And it's almost like, I just discovered water. This is really cool stuff. And instead it's ideas that you feel like eight and 10 year olds ought to be introduced to, and instead it's older people.

Shawn Mennenga (19:21)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. I think we get so caught up with just the minutia of our life. You know what I mean? That just we're so worried and get tied up in what we're trying to, what we want to get done. And again, we can't control the things we're talking about today. It does seem very basic, but at the end of the day, we're talking about our mind and that's our most powerful tool in this world is our minds. And if we can train our minds to have the

the right perception and self mastery and humble ourselves and put our ego aside as much as possible and again try to focus. There needs to be step back and we need to plan for the future and what we're trying to get, what we want to achieve, learn from our past and the mistakes we've made to help not make the same mistake twice. But then it becomes the...

the mindset of focusing again on today and creating those small daily habits that are going to compound over time that you may not think is making a difference, but two weeks from now you continue to develop these small daily habits and then it becomes easier and easier and easier and becomes just part of your ingrained in you and you don't really think about it anymore and you're better because of it when you look back and you don't necessarily see those improvements you make. It's the weight loss industry. mean, you know, the yo-yo dieting where

You you take the, people take the quick fix and they lose 50 pounds, but they didn't create those small daily habits. They did it by taking supplements or they, you they did some crazy diet and they hit their goal. And then all of sudden they haven't created those small daily habits of actually living a better, healthy life by exercising daily, by eating healthier, eating smaller portion sizes. And then, you know, they get off of that and then they...

There's nothing, they have no basis anymore and then they up gaining the 50 pounds back quicker and end up gaining another 25 on top of that. It's why there's a whole industry. Again, because we haven't trained our minds and our habits the right way.

Mike Donaldson (21:27)
And now I will go specifically to when you were coaching, because if you were in college, you had four or five years with an individual and then it was somebody else and repeat, repeat, repeat. And even with an NFL team, yes, there's people that play 10 years with one team and there's people that don't play a whole season with that team. What percent, and maybe it changes the higher level of achievement they're at, what percent...

of people did you see excelling because of this and how many were failing because they didn't get it. They didn't understand these pieces.

Shawn Mennenga (22:08)
Uh, I, the people, I'll use a couple of specific examples. Um, you know, we had a guy named Johnson Bademosi in Cleveland that not a lot of people had heard of. He's an under-advanced free agent out of Stanford, extremely bright, very, very, he could run, he could jump, you know, he's for a corner. He was six foot one, 203 to five pounds. had good size. Uh, he just didn't always.

Sometimes football concepts didn't come to him as far as the defense, but as far as on special teams where it was more straight line, see ball, get ball, there was a smaller focus on what he needed to do. He became a Pro Bowl type player at that and he took extremely great notes. I sat next to him for four years and helped maybe kind of make it where he understood a little bit better, but he would fill up notebook after notebook throughout the season.

and he had a daily habit of studying film. Even when he went out, he had a certain warmup routine that I always knew he was gonna be out at certain, if practice started at a certain time, he would be out there 35 minutes before time or 45 minutes before time doing his warmup and his stretching routine. And you could count on that. You could take that to the bank every single day that was gonna get done. And pregame, he went out at a certain time and he had a certain things that he did to get his mind prepared and to get his body prepared. And then he went and performed at an extremely high level.

He ended up nine to ten years in the league and at one point was the highest special teams player, position player in the league after he left us. In our infinite wisdom in Cleveland, we let him go and he ended up going to Detroit and was the highest paid special teams player. Treman Williams would be another great example in Green Bay for the Packer fans out there. Treman was a walk on in college.

Chris Radke (23:44)
You

Shawn Mennenga (23:58)
which means he didn't get a scholarship coming out at Louisiana Tech, ended up earning a scholarship, became a great player for them. Went undrafted, and I forget the number of corners that were taken above him or were drafted ahead of him over on his draft year. But he ended up, was in Houston, got cut in Houston, went to Green Bay, was on the practice squad for a year, but he had the right habits.

knew how to study. He's what we call a great he was a he was a pros pro as far as getting his mind and his body ready and staying healthy led him to basically a 16 year NFL career and he made about 64 million dollars over his career because he did things the right way. The truly great ones that last and are successful over time have those small daily habits and they know what works for them and they continue to improve and

take care of their mind and their body to achieve great things. The percentage that technically get drafted ahead or run faster 40s or are bigger, stronger, faster that you would think this guy should be a great pro. mean, there was a lot of them. Unfortunately, in Cleveland, way too many. we thought were going to be or the front office thought was going to be great players that didn't have those.

small daily habits and their life was essentially a wreck off the field, which then affected them on the field because they didn't prepare their mind and bodies and they ended up washing out after a couple years because they didn't live up to their potential. So to put a percentage, I wouldn't be able to put that on there, but I saw, I saw guys that you could tell that they had the right mental makeup and the right daily habits. And then they continued.

Those were the guys who were asking the pros, the smart rookies, we would always talk about those young players. We would always talk to them about, hey, go find the Joe Thomas's of the world that are first team all pro that have played 10 years in the league. Go find the Tremont Williams and find out what they do. Ask them how, what they do on a daily basis to prepare their mind and their body. And then figure out what works for you to develop your own routine and take what they've.

take a blend of all the things you see from these successful older vets and then blend that into your own routine. the guys who did that end up playing a long time, maximized their abilities. And the ones who didn't, that thought they knew it and didn't washed out very quickly.

Mike Donaldson (26:38)
So that, that sets me up perfectly. It's almost like we planned this and we don't plan anything. So, and one of the reasons I wanted to do this, ⁓ this podcast when we are, we're into the time of year people are going to be, excuse me, getting crops in the ground, going to harvest. I hope some of our audiences, you know, killing time in a tractor cab, listening to some of these things. It might give us some time to think a little bit. If someone's intrigued.

Shawn Mennenga (26:42)
Ha

Mike Donaldson (27:08)
by what you're telling, what would be some of the, and I think one of the unique things is you can read as many books as you want and then you put together your piece that comes from here, that comes from here, and that becomes how you go forward. And there's nothing wrong with us being pieces of different things. So if somebody really wants to dive into this and they decide today's the day,

I want to begin putting together a daily plan. You know, repeat some of the books you've talked about and what would you tell if I decided that I'm going to get more serious about losing weight? Like you said, that's a very common one or anything, but I want to start making that change. What are some of the very first steps that you would guide me into?

Shawn Mennenga (28:08)
I think you talked about books. I would say the three to four books I would recommend that I've gravitated to that I think that the first couple would be, as far as your mindset and training your mind and those kind of things, would be Inner Excellence by Jim Murphy. And then a book called It Takes What It Takes by Trevor Moawad And then he kind of expanded on that in a later book.

called Getting to Neutral by Trevor Moawad. again, those are things that dealing with your mind. They talk about goals and habits a little bit. And then the last one to kind of culminate with would be the Atomic Habits by James Clear that kind of then take, he takes some of the concepts of your mind and how you think about goals, but then he breaks those into very specific training methods on how to create small habits and.

sometimes more importantly, how to eliminate bad habits. And I think sometimes we talk about adding things, I need to do more and I need to do this, where in essence, there's only 24 hours in the day and there's only seven days a week. It's how we decide to use them. And so I think eliminating a lot of several things out of our life are just as important as trying to add more things into it. So I think those would be the books. I think that again,

To me there's not very many original ideas. I always joked in football that you know there somebody thinks they're the new age guru and running this concept and there's Some 75 year old coach former coach sitting back watching going shaking his head going we ran that back in 1952 It's just a little different the formation might be slightly different, but it's still the same concept I mean, there's only so many things we I think sometimes we try to make things way too hard

and there's whether it's football, it's farming, whether it's whatever industry we're in, people want to seem like they're the gurus where if we just handle the fundamentals of this is the most important things in our job and then trying to figure out ways to perform those at a very high level by creating those small daily habits I think lead to lot better, more sustained success and higher achievement over a longer period of time.

And I think it's the joy of, sometimes it's the joy of monotony. think Kobe Bryant talked about, know, it's the joy of monotony of him going out and when he's, when the game's over with no matter what time that game got over with, he was going to lift weights and take care of his body in the hot tub and do his routine. And then, you know, in the off season, it was taking X number thousand jumpers from these things. It's getting up every day to do those things. And in farming, it's, it's figuring out what works for your farm. And

empowering the people that you work with and teaching them the fundamentals to do their job at a higher level and then entrusting them to do those jobs while still holding them accountable that I think are going to lead to it's sometimes I think we get wrapped up, especially I know in our industry of, Hey, a little more methionine. I put 0.05 more grams of methionine and I'm going to bump the butter fat up where in essence, if you just make sure your TMR is what actually what's on the paper is getting mixed in the, in the TMR mixer.

which is then getting fed to the cows, is going to be way more important than that 0.05 grams of methionine.

Mike Donaldson (31:31)
That's beautiful. Any other wrap up thoughts on this topic, Shawn?

Shawn Mennenga (31:39)
I probably talked way too long as I'm looking here and 30 some minutes and I'm like I felt like it was five minutes so I don't I don't have anything more if you guys know.

Mike Donaldson (31:42)
No, it's just beautiful.

Well, I really appreciate you doing this and I think it does. I think this was really an interesting topic that more people need to spend some time on. I will go ahead and give Chris a big thumbs up. Good job. This went very well. You tell me any topics you think would be good, Chris, but I also will ask you our traditional, what did you learn today, Chris?

Chris Radke (32:16)
my big takeaways that ⁓ Shawn's idea of neutral thinking and i thought of ⁓ Thomas ⁓ Edison's quote of it didn't take me ten thousand times to fail this somewhat that's ten thousand times to figure out it didn't work and it's just idea of taking even though the world will tell you it's a failure you know taking looking at it shot I have a follow-up question how do you are how do you how would you tell somebody to to remind them to stay focused on their goals do you like put up pictures or do you like

I don't know, what do you do? Like stay focused on those goals.

Shawn Mennenga (32:49)
Yeah, I mean we've had, you know, to me it's going back and revisiting them. I mean, know some people put them up in their bathroom window or in their car, you know what mean, when they, down by the gear shift and things like that. mean, you know, there are those things I think that, so you see them. Yeah, I think those are key. I would recommend those and stuff. mean, but I think it's just, it's taking time as part of your small daily habits to evaluate where you're at. You know mean? At the end of the week,

Chris Radke (32:57)
Right.

Shawn Mennenga (33:18)
I think sometimes we get so focused on what's happening that we do need to take a step back and evaluate, hey, where are we at? mean, on that road trip of life across, we're trying to get to, you know, there may be a snowstorm coming and we've got to divert and instead of being on I-80, we're going to go south to I-70. Didn't plan on that, but that's an adjustment I need to make because, or there's road construction for the next 75 miles. I need to get off the main path I didn't plan on.

But at the end of the day, it's gonna be what's needed and what's necessary right now to continue to move forward.

Chris Radke (33:56)
Yeah, kind of take a value of where you are at all times. That's good, that's good. All right, if you like what you heard, even though was out of our typical norm, hit us up on any of our socials. We are also, you can find us on our website, agriking.com. And if you have any questions or follow up thoughts, can email us at podcast@agriking.com. Shawn and Mike, thank you so much.

Mike Donaldson (34:20)
Hey, thank you so much, Shawn. And thank you as always, Chris. Great job hosting.

Shawn Mennenga (34:25)
Thanks for the opportunity. I appreciate it.