How Our Relationship Has Changed in 11 Years (and What It’s Really Like Being Married to a Projector)

Episode 87: How Our Relationship Has Changed in 11 Years (and What It’s Really Like Being Married to a Projector)

 Back by popular demand—my favorite Manifestor, love of my life, and father to our toddler tornado, Remo Siegenthaler ,returns for his third appearance on Return. Our past episodes together are some of the most downloaded, so clearly you like hearing from him… or maybe you just enjoy hearing us roast each other with love.

In this episode, we get real about how our relationship has changed over the last 11 years, what it’s like being married to a Projector (spoiler: “exhausting” made the list), and how Human Design has shaped our understanding of each other. We talk communication, commitment, parenting a Generator as two non-sacrals, and why marriage didn’t mean much to him until it did.

You’ll also hear his evolving take on Human Design, his advice for Manifestors who feel misunderstood, and the listener questions that had us both laughing.

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What You'll Learn in This Episode:

• How long-term relationships evolve (and why communication is still a work in progress)
• The pros and cons of being married to a Projector and a therapist
• How Human Design shows up in our marriage and parenting
• Why Remo shifted from “marriage doesn’t matter” to proposing
• Parenting dynamics when your child has more energy than both parents combined
• Advice for Manifestors on finding the right audience for their truth

Chapters:
0:00 – Welcome back, Remo (+ a Taelor sponsorship shout-out)
2:20 – How our relationship has evolved over 11 years
6:40 – How we’ve each changed individually
12:10 – Human Design in our marriage
17:45 – The highs and lows of being married to a Projector
20:00 – The reality of being married to a therapist
21:50 – Advice for Manifestors feeling misunderstood
23:10 – Parenting a Generator as two non-sacrals
25:20 – Commitment, marriage, and what changed his mind
31:30 – Matching “mountains” environments in Human Design
33:50 – Listener questions: Vegas videos, favorite things about each other
40:50 – What we appreciate most about our partnership
42:50 – Closing thoughts & The Dip free session offer

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Transcript

Caitlan Siegenthaler (00:00.974)
Hello, welcome back to another episode of Return. And today back by popular demand, we have my baby daddy, love of my life, my favorite manifesto, or at least definitely top five, Remos Siegenthaler. Hello, my love and welcome back to the show. Hello everyone. I'm excited to be back here. Yeah. Excited to have you back. And okay, so this is technically your third.

on the show and your episodes are some of the most popular to date. definitely excited to have you back recording. Also, this feels like a real full circle moment because you've been such a fan of the show. Thank you. You listen to every episode. You support me in creating it in a thousand different ways. And my first official podcast sponsor actually benefited you. So I kind of love that.

Today's episode is sponsored by Taylor, a men's rental wear company like Nuuly or Run the Runway, but way better because they have personal stylists and use AI technology to make outfit recommendations. And it was so easy because it just came to our house with like minimal effort. We've always joked that someday you would benefit from my work stuff. and so here we are. You are looking super stylish by the way. How are you feeling? I'm feeling great. I was super excited receiving.

a little benefit from Katie's podcast. And here I am sitting in this beautiful clothing fits super well. And yeah, thank you so much to Taylor. That is great. Everything fits. Super happy with it. Yeah. You looked really good in everything that they sent and it was really easy. And you had even thought about keeping a couple of pieces, which is definitely a win. So

Thank you to Taylor for the sponsorship. If you haven't heard the episode as well with their CEO, Anya, you can check that episode out. We'll be linked in the show notes. And get a super sweet discount on your Taylor subscription. All of that is in the show notes. And I actually think this is a really good segue into what I want to talk about today, which is how relationships evolve and change over time. Sort of just like our style.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (02:20.654)
This is also reminding me that I definitely need to clean out and go through my closet because I'm still wearing clothes from when we met 11 years ago and I'm definitely not that person anymore. How do you think we've changed as partners over the last 11 years? I think we changed quite a bit. mean, 11 years ago, and by the way, I'm most likely still have clothes from back then. you do too. That's why Taylor was super helpful for you. So we changed a lot because...

Um, back then we were doing long distance and today we are literally living in the same place, uh, with a little guy and there's a big change in communications and we have to communicate way more nowadays than we used to back in the like 10, 11 years ago. So there was a big change happening.

I would say the biggest one was communication and trying to understand each other, trying to find the path, which fits both of our needs. that was well said. So you think that we've changed to communicate better? yeah, a hundred percent. mean, right after we met, we were living in two different countries. So who cares what I was doing in the evening?

If I was playing handball, going for a beer with my friends, you didn't care because it did not impact your life. Yeah. And now it's a different story. Now we kind of have to like communicate first to find out what's the best approach for the evening, for the weekend, which we still are. It's a learning process for us. I think that's a good point though, because I think it's a learning process for everyone. And I think sometimes people...

think that when you have a healthy relationship, it's just like easy breezy, but there's still a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes. That's definitely right. And you now are fluent in English, but when we met, we were also like dealing with a big language barrier. And even though you are fluent in English, it's like, even when you're speaking the same language, there's

Caitlan Siegenthaler (04:41.262)
We still have to pause and be like, okay, what did you actually mean when you said this? Because all of us, think are always hearing things through our own like filter. Yeah, that's, that's definitely a good way to say it. It's like, we just had a conversation the other day and there's a lot happening in our brains thinking, assuming what the other partner

thinks, but which might not be true. So that's why communication is more more important, especially with, two different languages. Yeah. And now we have a son. So we have a human that we're responsible for and we have a lot more like we need to communicate about and also kind of negotiate about too. Would you say so? Yeah, definitely. mean,

There is definitely, there is different things to consider now to get a little more free time. That's why we're actually recording now during our little guy's nap time. Yeah. So just try to fit in the best that we also can sit down a little bit in the evening and maybe watch a show or whatever. Yeah, definitely. Anything else that you think like

how we've changed as a couple before we talk about how we've changed individually.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (06:17.23)
I don't have anything right now which pops in my mind. I it's just I think the biggest change is really what we already talked about the communication and how

You can cut this part out, right? Yes. I don't know what else. Yeah, that's fine. All good. How do you think I've changed over the last 11 years?

Caitlan Siegenthaler (06:43.36)
Ooh, so I think there were a lot of changes going on just because, you know, living in Switzerland kind of pushed you to, I would say a limit just because of, being so far away from your friends and your family. you were definitely closer to your family than I am.

You talk to them on the daily base. I'm not so much, so it's easier for me living in the U S I'm not saying I'm neglecting my family or so. Definitely not. Katie is, is more connected to her family. and is therefore also talking way more often to them. And with the time difference from Europe to the U S living in Europe.

It's more difficult because it's either six or Denver would be eight hours behind. So basically in the evening when we lived in Switzerland and had time to talk a little bit with her friends, it was right in the middle of the work day for them. So this was super difficult. Now with the other way around.

For me it's also a little bit difficult so that's why most of the time it's just a weekend. Talking to friends and family and for her it's definitely a little bit easier but yeah. And how else did you change?

Caitlan Siegenthaler (08:24.886)
I mean, you're, you're pursuing your business idea, your business. started back in Switzerland, as much as you can, which I love, which I'm trying to support as good as possible. That definitely also changed you for the positive because you are way happier, doing what you love. mean, I guess all of us would be happier if we can.

do things we actually love on the database, but not everyone can do that. So yeah, I'm really lucky and I'm really grateful for your support in that because you're definitely my number one fan. I'm trying. You're crushing it. How do you think you've changed in the last 11 years? I'm definitely, I grew up a little bit. I think when we met,

Um, what was it? 2014. I was like 26 years old. Um, it's a big difference. mean, I learned through talking to Katie and also listening to her podcast that the brain is developing its final stages, the personality and like the end of twenties, right? 26, 27. So I'm definitely a

Not a total different person, definitely different. I think I'm trying to...

Caitlan Siegenthaler (09:58.478)
relax a little bit more, take things a little bit easier. I have this, kind of, how would you say that? this personality.

I don't know what do you want to like a specific kind of intense that I'm just

Caitlan Siegenthaler (10:32.971)
Okay, take your time.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (10:38.594)
They're spicy.

assertive This yeah, I guess intense sometimes I can be Intense a little bit Not emotional, but like maybe too straightforward and not talking Yeah, as we would say in Switzerland for anyone who doesn't speak Swiss German or German it means like it's a phrase that means

you're basically like not sure you're coding things like you're not going through the flowers you're just kind of direct yeah so i think i i

I got better at that, not always, especially not at work because I'm convinced that talking around the BS is not bringing you to the finish line. You got to go through the dirt, through the mud and bring up things which are not correct without adding all kinds of...

Caitlan Siegenthaler (11:47.758)
useless stuff. I think though that's part of your human design which like I want to talk about at least from my perspective in a little bit but also I feel like the like more helpful aspects of that are at least in our relationship we're not avoiding things we're not like talking around things where I never

I'm worried that you're not gonna like honestly tell me how you feel and when you say something I know you're being honest and like vice versa and I feel like that's kind of a helpful aspect of that. I would agree there. Just sometimes it's not easy. Because not everyone is willing to hear the brutal truth. Yeah, well being on the receiving end of the brutal truth it's...

It still stings, it still hurts sometimes. It's still like, wow. But I think knowing your human design also kind of helped me.

have more understanding for that side of you, which is great. Yeah, I'm happy for that. Yeah, for sure.

So you are a manifesto in human design and does that resonate for you from what I've told you about it and like what you've listened to about it? I would say overall it's a pretty good fit. Like, like always it's not like a hundred percent match. There are definitely a few things which are like, hmm, I don't see that, but I would say the maturity.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (13:32.896)
is definitely right on. Yeah. Has it helped you in any way knowing it? I think I'm trying to.

just fight it less because it's my human design. So it's kind of like, that's my mind. That's how I am. Like there's no, no chance to fight it because even when I'm trying to resist or trying to not do the sugar or do actually do the sugar coating, this causes some kind of conflict in my mind. And then I just don't feel good.

I mean spoken like a true manifesto honestly. There's like, that would be a great bumper sticker for manifestos. feel like what is your like viewpoint on human design? Because you have gotten more information about it through me, but that's about it. Like, I don't know if I've ever asked you this. How do you like, what do you think of it?

So in the beginning, I think it was kind of like, yeah, I don't know what to do with it. It's like reading the horoscope in the newspaper or nowadays online or whatever. It's kind of like, oh, it's cool, but not really sure what I should do with it. But now I've seen a little more, I've heard more things and it's interesting to see how Katie can...

look at people sort of like analyzing how they're acting, how they're talking, and then almost like make a profile for them. And after running their chart or pulling their chart, it turns out she was right on. So it's just like, whoa, there's gotta be something to that. It's not just random facts put on a piece of paper.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (15:42.358)
because it's just, I'm not even joking, 95 or even more percent, she is just right on. And this is not just pure luck. It just doesn't work. How often she is doing that, I'm like, okay. So there's gotta be something to this whole human design, which I'm slowly starting to see. I'm not good at it. I will never be able to, like.

pinpoint someone what human design there are that person is there's no way but Just seeing how she is doing it It's just this is proof for me that there is definitely a good amount Which is true, which works out great. Yeah Wow That's really interesting to know I didn't know that that was like the thing

That is also one of my favorite things to do is to, I think it happens a lot when we're like watching a show or I don't know, it just comes up randomly and I'll be like, I bet that person's of this. I had that experience actually recently at a concert, the performer, was Dirk Spontane, and he puts on a really good show and I was like, I bet.

Like just the way he was connecting, the way he made everyone feel so seen. I was like, a thousand percent he's a projector. And on the way home from the concert, I pulled his chart and I was like, projector, yeah, duh. So I do think it's helpful in empowering us and understanding ourselves and other people better, for sure. So speaking of projectors.

The people want to know what is it like being married to a projector? That's me. Oh yeah. It's there. would say there are two sides to it. Buckle up kids. There is one side. It's like,

Caitlan Siegenthaler (17:47.37)
exhausting because she re sort of reads your mind or picks up your feelings. So if you try to hide something, don't even try. It's not going to work. We like just had a conversation about that a couple of days ago. So, but

Then the other side to it is the emotional part, which I love. It's just like she understands how you feel. Not just when you're happy, also when you're sad and can kind of...

put her mind into it and kind of reflect on how I'm feeling. Yeah. So she is really understandable for that. which is, which is a nice thing because that someone can relate with your feelings is super helpful. and so this way she can also provide the needed help. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. think projectors in general, part of our gift is to help people feel seen. And I kind of feel like that's what you're saying. Like really seen, like seen in their sort of authentic, like in your emotions. And yeah, my strongest sense in human design is feeling. So I will feel what you're feeling, even if you don't say it. And that's probably not always great for you.

No, sometimes it is a pickle. is real pickle. What about being married to a therapist? That is a huge benefit because I get free therapy. No, aside, it's, it feels sometimes a little bit, um, you know, she is helping people on a daily basis or at least during the time she is working.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (20:01.526)
And this obviously involves a lot of talking, listening to not always, happy stories, also sad stories. And I sometimes feel when I come home that there is no more room for my problems. So that then it's like, who do I talk to? And yeah, sure. I could get my own therapist.

But so this is, that's where it sometimes gets a little difficult. I get it, you know, helping people on a daily base, um, to deal with their emotions, to deal with their problems. And then the husband comes home and is coming with the same crap. Like I get it. I get, no, it's definitely not the same, but I can understand where there's some exhaustion. mean, talking the whole day.

I would also just want to sit down and not talk in the evening. We always joke too that if we had to go and do each other's jobs, would be a real disaster. So Rema will not be doing any kind of guiding or therapy. I'm not giving advice because you will probably leave more frustrated than before. Yeah, definitely. But y'all like...

you'll hit like a truth arrow though straight to their heart and they probably just won't be ready for it, you know? Before we move on from some of this human design stuff, so manifestors are kind of a rare energy type. I joke all the time that I'm a manifestor magnet because you're a manifestor, my dad's a manifestor.

Two of my best friends back in Colorado are manifestors. I work with lot of manifestors, so I just really appreciate the energy. And as you kind of start to embody your human design, what is your message to anyone out there who is a manifester and might be struggling with what you were talking about around like...

Caitlan Siegenthaler (22:24.786)
not really wanting to sugarcoat things, also like, sometimes I feel like you want to be heard, but sometimes the way that you say things in a manifest way kind of ignites something else in people and they're not really ready to hear you. So what do you want to say to people about like any of that? That's a really difficult one. I'm still sort of trying to figure this out. I mean, what am I doing or how should I bring a message across?

I don't know, just keep believing in you. You know you're right. You just gotta find the right ears to be open to listen to what you have to say. That's actually really well said.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (23:11.31)
There will be that person which is willing to listen.

what I have to say. It's not always going to be easy. It's not going to be just this walk across the crowd clouds. Well, that's, that's more generator energy, which our son is a generator. Anything you want to say about that? Be ready. Yeah. Two non-sacral energy types over here trying to wrangle a very happy, but very

energetic and vivacious one and a half year old. We're getting our butts kicked. It's fun. I love it. It's so cool to see how much energy he has and how happy he is. And sometimes it's like, it's, he is passing on the energy to us. So I think there are days where I'm like, Oh wow. I, I do not feel tired.

But then there are other days where I'm getting up 10 minutes later and like, okay, I'm ready to sleep again, which is for me kind of horrible. Yeah. Yeah. It is really interesting how all of our energy types kind of play off of each other and how we can get some beautiful generator energy from him. It's really nice. And it's, I think it's really fun when we're all together as a family, just kind of playing and having a good time.

I want to ask you about our partnership and like people out there that are listening to this podcast and are maybe desiring a long-term relationship, but they haven't found someone that they connect with or they're in a long-term relationship, they're in a relationship, but they're like not really sure about commitment. Cause you were definitely in that space. Yeah, absolutely. What would you say to them?

Caitlan Siegenthaler (25:23.266)
Keep on trucking.

I mean, you try to force something, it's, just, I'm convinced it's not gonna, it's not gonna go well. Yeah. It really, it has to match and both sides have to somewhat make a little sacrifice to be together. If it's just like laid on the table and

you have to do nothing. It's just, you just go with the flow. I'm just not believing in that stuff. Just like, it's not going to work out. That's my opinion. It might work out for some, but. What do you, cause when we were still like earlier days of our relationship and we were dating and I came from like an American mindset where marriage and like this very checklist kind of mindset.

happens and you were like, I don't really care to get married. What for you was that moment where you were like, okay, because we got engaged and us getting engaged was kind of a surprise to me because I wasn't sure that you ever like wanted to make that commitment and I was sort of internally figuring out if I was okay with that and then we got engaged and now we've been married for.

almost seven years, so, and together for like 11, so what, what like switched?

Caitlan Siegenthaler (27:05.537)
So from Katie's perspective, it was always getting married. And I think this is sort of in the culture from the US. Like once you're married, you have a commitment. But I'm just convinced that even with this commitment, this doesn't prove anything. Yeah, I would agree with you can have a ring on your finger, but still do whatever you want.

So that's how I feel about getting married. It's like, don't see or I did not see the purpose. I mean, it's not just...

You're not somewhat then locked up in a in a room you can I mean You can still do whatever if you have a ring or not It's still your own decisions in the end. Imagine if like Automatically putting the ring on like locked you in somewhere Would be horrible. I mean there's there are these shirts and everything like getting married game over like what?

Like you can still do whatever you want. So there is for me, what's like getting married is like, what's the purpose? I mean, I can be in a partnership, a regular relationship and be a hundred percent committed to it. Yeah. Be in love. For me, the change from not being married to being married wasn't significant. mean,

signing a piece of paper and then occasionally wearing a ring. If you, if you see me in public, I will most likely not wear a ring. No, he's not. Our son plays with your ring a lot of the times. That's how I learned he can say thumb now. what triggered me, it's just like, I knew it was working out. I knew this is, that's the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with. And so,

Caitlan Siegenthaler (29:08.65)
it seemed for me there is a big part of hers which that's really important to get married. So I kind of stepped over my boundaries and said like, okay, let's do it. And it just felt right. And now like almost seven years in, do you stand by that choice? Yeah, I still stand by that choice. Definitely. mean,

It just another, you know, it also helps in like in partnerships, in relationships nowadays because we are from two different countries. So that's also helping not being married and trying to live in a country where I'm not from without being married. It's just like, yeah, that would actually be really difficult.

same for her being in Switzerland. It was the same. So just being married also had some sort of benefit in terms of that. But that was definitely not the main reason for getting married. No. And yeah, your vows were incredible because I think that really showed. We wrote our own vows. And to me, the line when you said, I'm not promising you my heart, I'm giving you my heart really helped me understand, solidify your view on commitment.

Yeah. Thank you. Nice to hear. Glad we sorted that out. Okay. There's a couple of different directions I want to go. speaking of different countries, we've lived in the U S together. We've lived in Switzerland together and now we're back in the U S together. Did you know that in human design, we both have the environment, there's like six different environment types, caves, blah, blah, blah.

both of ours are the same. Do you want to guess what they, what it is? I think I remember you said something mountains. So how wild is it that we're both from mountainous places? Now we live next to the ocean. Yeah. Right now we live in Virginia beach, Virginia, but part of like our ongoing, like part of a conversation that we have sort of open is where do we want to raise our son and like put

Caitlan Siegenthaler (31:32.494)
root root roots down and yeah, does knowing that our environment matches, like does that bring anything into the conversation for you? I mean, I just want to point out, as you always say, it's not literally where you have to live. mean, I think there's one environment which is kitchen. So good luck with living in a kitchen. Uh, yeah, that's our son's environment. So

For me, and I think you said that mountains is like more like standing above something and have the whole picture, the whole view. It's about perspective. I feel even here in Virginia, you know, with the view, with the whole perspective over the ocean is sort of still a little bit aligned for us. Not in the detail, but. Yeah.

I think it's also helping. mean, we're both fairly happy here, I would say. Would you agree with that? Yeah, yeah. So it's not the totally worst place to be for us, even if it doesn't match 100 % our environment. But yeah, because being close-ish to mountains is not making that decision between Denver and Switzerland any easier because... That's true.

They're both beautiful mountains in both the places. Yes, that is so true. Well, stay tuned on our ongoing, where are we going to live dilemma for both of us. Okay. You got some listener questions, which is exciting. The people want to know. I'm going to start with this wild card one that's very specific and I've

I've edited it to be what I hope you would be comfortable with sharing. And if not, we'll just edit this out. But you and I met in Denver when you were on a road trip. I think we told some of this story on one of the previous podcasts and we kept in touch while you were, we met in like the early part of your road trip. maybe the first, you were

Caitlan Siegenthaler (33:56.002)
going for six weeks across the Western US and we probably met like what? Like 10 days in or something? Something like that. Yeah. The second week or so. Yeah. So you still had like four weeks in the US and we exchanged numbers after you thought I gave you the wrong number. That was funny. And then we stayed in touch. And so occasionally I would get like pictures and videos from you.

about where you were and like kind of what you were doing. And you made a fairly fun, funny video for me when you were in Vegas. And so this person who asked this question is aware of that video and asked you what was going on in your head when you were making that video for me in our very, very early days of knowing each other. Whoa, that's a while back.

And I will call this person out. Thank you, Eric Dunlop for asking this question. Sure. That would have been my first guess. So what was going through my head? I don't know. I don't think too much. I think I wasn't really thinking too much. It's like, this sounds fun. This is cool. I've just been shopping. Let's put on all the clothes and show them in the video. Whatever. It was just a fun kind of...

ridiculously fun idea and maybe I had little booze also up there, who knows? It was so fun though and it was like so charming and it totally made me be like this guy's incredible. Like he was just so funny. It was an epic video that I'm glad that we will save and like keep and probably not show our son.

We'll see. so thanks for that question. And for anyone listening who's like, what I think what's important to know or like a takeaway is that Remo and I basically from the day we met have, have probably talked almost every single day since that day and like have stayed in touch. Yeah. Yeah. Almost every day. Definitely. Yeah.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (36:19.542)
And we used to do this thing called Skype Sundays where we would, if you know Skype, I don't even know if Skype exists anymore, but we used to Skype back in the day and we'd ask each other different questions and it was really fun. Definitely. think I still have some questions saved on my phone. good. Well we're going to have to bring back Skype Sundays then. He's like, damn it. Why did I say something?

Okay, so this was one question broken into two parts. What is your favorite thing about me, which I'm assuming means me, and what's your favorite thing about Arsene? Okay, okay, so favorite thing about you... Hmm, I think that you kind of...

pull out my emotional side a little bit more, not feeling any embarrassment to it. And even when I'm upset, she is kind of like, I have to share that with her because again, she's a projector, so if I try to hide it, not gonna work. So this is what I really, really like about her. It's not easy. It's not always easy to share all these things.

but she is giving me a safe place to share all these emotions. So then we can also move forward because it's helpful. That's why therapy exists, right? Right. I am a therapist, but not your therapist. Let's be clear everybody. Licensing board. am not giving my husband therapy. What's your favorite thing about our son?

that I think it's my favorite thing but also my least favorite thing that he has so much energy and this is such a happy little guy. He's so happy. And he just doesn't have any fear. None. Like the other day I've been to the playground and there was that other kiddo probably three or four years old. Mommy tried to get him down the slide. He was like no no.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (38:35.086)
And then our little guy went up there and I didn't even say something. It like he pointed towards the big slide. He sat down and before I even was able to get down there to make sure he's not falling off, he's already right in the middle and going down the thing. was like, whoa, buddy. Yeah. So it's just, it's a joy every day to see him just enjoying life is beautiful. So I think that's the favorite.

most favorite thing about our son. I would have to agree. It's like, just like pure happiness. Like sometimes I feel like I almost want to cry from like happiness because it's so fun just watching him. And it's also very exhausting and we've negotiated some good, good things. So if you are a manifestor or a projector or reflector parent and you have a manifesting generator or

generator child hit us up. We've got some, we've got some tips about how we navigate all of that. Okay. This is the last question that we got and like, to be fair, I posted this like just a couple hours before we recorded. the fact that we even got questions is great. what do you appreciate most about your partner? And I'll also answer this for you cause I feel like that was the intention.

But you can go first. would say the constant support of her. You know, when things are not going as good at work. She always has a good tip. She is trying to find different options.

which could make me happier, feel differently. So I think that's the thing I appreciate the most about her, that constant support from her. yeah, it's not always easy, but she is there when I need her. Yeah. I think my favorite or the thing I appreciate the most about you is your honesty.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (40:55.288)
Just like, I think that lays a beautiful foundation for us to have just like really honest conversations. And to me, even though honesty can be so difficult to swallow sometimes, I think that that to me like brings a level and a layer of authenticity that you like set the tone for our relationship to be extremely authentic.

and honest from the beginning and it's something that I really appreciate about you.

You're welcome. Fun. Well, we don't have any other questions to go through. How was your third time being on the podcast? It's fun. think it's, it's, it feels better every day or every time, guess. Yeah. I feel like you're, you were less nervous this time and I appreciate you coming on and doing stuff outside of your comfort zone. But people really do love your episodes. I'm not just like saying that we can.

Sit down and look at the numbers. It's legit. People like it. So thank you for being here. I love you very much. Thanks for having me. I love you too. And thank you all for listening. If there was something that resonated from this episode, please consider sharing it with a friend. Tag me at Caitlin Seigenthaler and your Instagram stories. Or if you really love this episode and you want to thank us, the best way to do that is to

Go to Apple podcasts, scroll all the way down to the bottom, click on return and leave a review, click write a review and then write your honest review of the show. If you were like, Keelan and Remo are crazy, that is a review that I am happy to hear and to take in. And August, probably into September and beyond, I am running a free service called The Dip.

Caitlan Siegenthaler (42:56.45)
So if you write a review, can book 30 minutes for free with me. We can talk about your human design chart and you can get a taste of what it's like to work with me. All you have to do is upload the screenshot of your review and we can work together for free, which is pretty amazing. So that's very exciting. Thank you so much to my partner for being here and thank you for listening and thank you to Taylor for sponsoring my very first episode.

Thank you so much and take care.