From Head To Heart: Tuning Into Inner Wisdom For Life And Leadership

What if your clearest guidance isn’t something you find, but something you feel? 

We sit down with Alexander and Christopher Evert of Wisdom on the Go to explore how inner wisdom becomes reliable when we move from mind-led performance to heart-led presence. Through stories, simple practices and honest reflection, we unpack how trust, embodiment and community can transform how we live, work and lead.

We start with the basics: reflection as a daily habit that slows reactivity and reveals meaning, and embodiment practices—breathwork, qigong, slow movement—that build a stable “energy container” for the day. Alexander shares how dance taught him to shift from impressing to expressing, while Christopher offers a quiet pre-meeting intention that turns rooms of strangers into long-lost friends. From humming before speaking to morning rituals that reduce anxiety, the tools are simple, human and repeatable.

From there, we widen the lens to leadership and culture. Self-acceptance is the root of new leadership: embracing vulnerability, sensitivity and not-knowing so imagination and vision can land. We talk about creating social coherence in teams, using circle practice and deep listening to replace performative bonding with real connection. A family business case shows how a single vulnerable prompt bridged generations faster than years of formal gatherings. Nature becomes a teacher too—seasons, tides and moonlight reminding us to respect cycles and let balance be dynamic rather than forced.

Underneath it all is a bigger shift: unlearning separation. We examine how economic incentives fractured families and communities, and how trust, presence and shared purpose can mend those seams. One belief change can ripple everywhere: we are one human family on a small planet, here to support the common good. Lived through daily practice, that truth changes how we sell, hire, collaborate and care.

Listen for practical ways to access inner guidance, foster team coherence, and lead with wholeness. If this conversation resonates, subscribe, share it with someone who needs it, and leave a review to help more people remember they are already enough.

You can learn more about Christoper and Alexander at https://www.newdirection.nz/ which shares their podcast 'Wisdom on the Go'

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Intros

Lyn Man 0:00

Welcome to I Am Enough, the space where we explore journeys back to our forgotten birthright of enoughness, to draw natural wisdom along with awareness, acceptance, and compassion. To support each of us on that journey and embrace our wholeness. Despite what society tells us, each one of us is enough exactly as we are. My name is Lynn Mann, and I'd like to welcome you to this space where we explore enoughness, people's journeys along the path to feeling I am enough, and look at what can support each of us on that journey. Hello and welcome to another episode of I Am Enough, the space where we embrace our wholeness. So today I have with me Alexander and Christopher Evert. And I'm really looking forward to this conversation because it's their own podcast, it's called Wisdom on the Go. Now, this is the first time I've had a conversation with them, so we're just going to see where it goes. They both have a passion for transformation, increasing personal awareness, and shifting consciousness to create fulfilled and thriving individuals and organizations who can make a positive, sustainable impact on Earth for generations to come. They share this passion through speaking, coaching, and mentoring at their own organization, New Direction, and through their podcast, Wisdom on the Go. In what they do, Christopher and Alexander draw on ancient, indigenous, and Western wisdom, the wisdom of all our bodies and the universe as a whole, as well as their own lived experience, the years of learning, unlearning, listening, and trusting their inner compass. You can find out more on newdirection. So welcome to both of you. Thank you so much for coming along.

Christopher Evatt 2:14

Well, very happy to be here. Yeah, thank you, Lynn. So thrilled to be here and just to be in this beautiful heart space to uh connect. And as you said, it's the first time that we are we're speaking together. And I find it so beautiful when we can have the chance to create these spaces to really bring out the wisdom that's uh called for through through us and from us in this moment of time.

Lyn Man 2:39

Yeah, and that that's a a beautiful link. Thank you, through to kind of my first question, because I took a phrase from what you your introduction on your own podcast, which is the inner wisdom, it's discovering what is already within you. And I love that because it's for me, that's exactly it. And so often we go externally looking for the wisdom when actually we it's about coming back in and allowing whatever needs to emerge to come out. What do you both feel, or what's your experience of actually finding this inner wisdom, and how can we help others to to tune into their inner wisdom?

Christopher Evatt 3:26

Uh-huh. Great question. Maybe I start on that one. What I do is the importance of reflection, uh and so whatever happens that may be cause for a thought or something that's not working, or something that somebody has said that doesn't resonate well or does resonate well, is just to take a moment or two to reflect and say, what is the deep meaning here? What's the learning? Why am I reacting that way, for example? It could be a question of going inward. And out of that gains one gains, or I do, a greater understanding of things that have been said, what's happened, what hasn't happened, expectations that haven't been met. Uh so all of these are learning opportunities. Uh so that's what I do. What do you do, Alex?

Embodiment, Routine And Energy

Alexander Evatt 4:28

Yeah, I've made I I love to play around even like what is kind of wisdom. And from a sort of data perspective, I've loved uh the sort of formula that that data is information and bundled information is knowledge, and knowledge and pers perception or in perspective is wisdom. And I feel like the greater per perspective we can have, or higher perception, even the more wisdom we can reflect on any given situations. And so for me, it's really about the preparation for the moment. So it's not so much what then happens in that moment, it's like be able to create that space in the body, space in the heart, space in the mind through practices that there's so many in the wisdom traditions all around the world. But for example, for me, I realize if I skip my morning little routine, it can be 15 minutes, let's say of breathing or qigong, just very subtle slow movement. I feel I create the energy body or the container for the day, and thereby I can, with totally different energy, face any situation. But if I skip that, I feel I'm way more susceptible with the winds of change and what's coming, and and it's more difficult to be my center to connect and to listen. Okay, what is coming for me in this moment? Why is this happening? What is it asking from me? So that's basically a short answer to a long, lifelong practice of uh embodying wisdom and allowing that to come through. But yeah.

Lyn Man 6:10

Yeah, and I I love you actually both bring up very different things, but very similar things. So so going back to Christopher's, it's it's having that curiosity, that awareness, and that being that observer, which is something we're so not taught to be. And as a child as a child, I guess, we're taking everything in, but then as we grow up, it seems that going back to what you said, Alexander, we're in that we can be in that reactive space because we haven't come back to presence and being within ourselves. And just having having those that combination of that being able to see what's going on, how we're reacting in the body, and then questioning it, I think is is so important. And it's really interesting you bring in that information and that knowledge, because one of the things I always feel is that we have the external knowledge, and then there's a there's almost an embodiment that then comes into our internal knowing. I just wonder what your experiences are around that and how you perceive it.

Alexander Evatt 7:35

Yeah, for me, it's definitely as a dancer, my foundation is like breaking, breakdancing, uh since I'm seven.

Lyn Man 7:42

Wow.

Alexander Evatt 7:43

And so I I all the time have to learn to react instantaneously with the music. So become one with the music that's playing or the live musician. And when I'm trying to do it for my head, like you said, about like analytically go about expressing the best round and performance, and maybe doing it to impress others or the judges, it becomes a very different form of expression. But when I'm in that bo in this in the embodiment of the music and allow it to move me really from my core, it's a whole different dance. Uh, it comes from such a different place of presence and connection and ultimately love. And so then going, that's become my bridge, I realize, to really be able to bring the sensitivity and embodiment into all areas of life. If it's working or if it's facing some difficult situations, or just in the city being overwhelmed with whatever's going on, to feel though those changes and to then be able to zero, let's say, to neutralize that situation and and before speaking or having a difficult conversation, to remember that it's just like dancing, coming into the body, feeling where you're at, and the rhythm that's there in the room, or with the people, or you know, even from your higher self, and then from there. So for me, it's a very embodied experience of realizing that difference and coming into yeah.

Beyond The Mind: Heart Intelligence

Christopher Evatt 9:18

I think the key thing that uh I've picked up from what we're hearing is uh going beyond the mind and the head uh and the thinking processes deep within, into the feeling and the inner inner senses. Uh so that's a an experience of the heart space, actually, coming into the knowingness of how we feel deep inside. And I think accessing our half intelligence as opposed to just our mental uh processing intelligence. Uh yeah. Then we become fully present, I think, because the mind tends to work in the past or the future and is not really present, but our our hearts are fully present. So as we sort of come into that space of how do we really feel about something, uh then then that's where the where it all happens, I think. I don't think it happens up here.

Lyn Man 10:18

No, no, tend to agree with you there, and it's it is that that coming out of the mind. And I think as well for me, it's not making the mind wrong, because we need the mind, we need the brain as well, but we need to be able to learn to come from that that heart space and and going on as well to the the the gut, because I I see those as kind of almost two addition, you know, we it's almost like we have various minds in our bodies and tuning in as well as feeling both our energetic body and our physical body, our emotional body, our mental body. It's kind of looking at them all, and then of course the spiritual body. So if we can look at them all and start to learn to connect with them separately, I think it gives us so much more information. But again, it's trying to um embody this. And I I love your description of going back to to dance, Alexandra, because it really is what you're describing is is when you're in the the flow and it just comes and you're you're fully attuned and you're out of your mind. And I think you know, even for me in having these conversations, it's allowing that kind of there's almost a settling in and letting my mind kind of realize it it's okay, it doesn't need to be going, it needs to trust and let whatever needs to come out come out. So yeah, I f I find that very fascinating um in that we, you know, even the words we choose to use, they can hold so much power and actually change how we feel within us from that. But going back to working with with others, like what can you share that will help other people to come out of their mind because so many of us are in that all the time. And and so what what do you both do? Um you've you've mentioned dance and qigong, but what else do you both do that helps kind of take you out of the mind and just around you to tune into that wisdom?

Practices To Get Out Of The Head

Alexander Evatt 12:55

Yeah, a a technique I can share that. Um I was in Portugal at a retreat and we had uh the last circle of the four-day retreat, and we were, you know, sharing what came up and deep insights and a lot of time in nature and so on. And I felt there was so much I really wanted to share from yeah, from my my soul really of this whole experience. But I felt words couldn't do justice to what I wanted to share. And this comes back to what you said about how words make you feel a certain way, and in in the end, it's not about the words, it's about the energy that is behind it. And that comes back again to the dancing and being in that sort of present moment. But for me, then I realized what happened naturally is I started doing a humming sound before I shared. So I just simply closed my eyes and took like a deep and just really felt that in the solar plexus in the bottom of my stomach. And then when I could feel that sort of vibration and then speak, I felt, wow, now this is really alignment with what I'm feeling and the energy and all the landscapes that I have sort of been in and experienced, and it could come out then in its right, rightful form. So that that's one technique I do almost before any sharing, any important meetings or connecting just to neutralize myself. But other than that, yeah, I feel for me what helps is regular meditation practices on a continuous basis at least 10 to 15 minutes in the morning, but then eventually also longer ones I feel is super important just to sort of decompress and neutralize all the information that's you know we've been overwhelmed with during the day. And even now I've moved away from having lived about five years in Vienna. And so, yeah, I I sort of decided to move away from there and reset a bit my course of life and in in terms of also, yeah, where I really feel my spirit wants to be and live and contribute with. And for me, that's also something that is beyond the mind. I don't yet have a plan. I don't know where, but I don't I know I have to follow this feeling because otherwise I'm not living in full alignment of my spirit and what it's here to do on earth and where it's you know here to thrive, really. So with that, with that, for sure, these longer meditations just helps to be in that state. Anxiety comes up a lot, trying to figure out, oh my goodness, you know, where should I be in the next few months, and should I apply for you know other career changes or just follow my own thing? And and so when all of those thoughts come, yeah, just to know I have that safe space, I can always return to. And from there, I don't have to make any decisions. I just need to really be and allow myself to be. And I feel that really then helps to listen and and take the steps that are asked to take. So yeah, that's at least for me and my process I'm sort of in right now.

unknown 16:22

Yeah.

Christopher Evatt 16:22

Hey, thank you for telling me.

Alexander Evatt 16:24

Now you know what I've been up to.

Christopher Evatt 16:28

I I was just thinking about um moving out of the mind. One of the things that I I've done for many years now, before giving a uh a speech, let's say at a conference or something, or before connecting with the client, I just spend just a few seconds saying to myself, and I say this quietly, not out loud, I connect with you at a heart level. So we have this deep heart connection, whether it's the audience or just one person, and also our thoughts and our emotions are aligned, so we have a full understanding and comprehension of exactly where both of us are, so we both work for the highest good. And so that's just like a little prelude to meetings with perhaps coaching clients or giving a talk. And I find that the situation is quite different. If I haven't done that, it's sort of in the mind and there's judgments that come in and all this sort of thing. But as soon as I do that, it's like meeting long-lost friends that I haven't known for a long time, although we may not have met before. The whole energy changes.

Lyn Man 17:46

Actually, going back to what you you've both said is it's there's an element of tuning into what we're not seeing and going back to what you shared before, it's about that that feeling inside, but that knowing, the inner knowing and then the connection with others so being conscious about what you so being conscious to what's inside, but also being conscious about your actions and what you're you're doing. And and I think for me they they bring up a similar thing. This morning I was reflecting on the mystery, the mystery of life, and I think so much time we spend in or we we try to come from that knowing and controlling and being certain about things. But actually you've both given beautiful examples of actually you you trust the inner knowing and you're guided by that, guided by by the spirit. But also you can take actions that going back to what you were saying, Christopher, you it's it's almost like your preparation and and you also shared it before, Alexander, but your preparation for going into something you can actually prepare yourself for what is unknown and then you step into it in a I can't even think of the word, to use it. But but the way you step in is from that place of presence and trust and deeper connection to all that that is.

Trusting The Unknown And Life’s Timing

Christopher Evatt 19:56

Yeah. The key one of the key words, the key word that you just said was to is the word trust. And for me is I've learned over the years to trust the different situations that a my f I I might find myself in. And I've learned to say to myself, uh, okay, this moment is perfect for me. I may not understand the perfection at the moment, and it may look very unperfect, but it's designed for me, and let's go into it and treat it with trust that it's going to serve a greater good, whatever it happens to be. So, in other words, I'm saying that life is designed to support us.

Alexander Evatt 20:47

I think you gave a beautiful example the other day about how you do most of your public talks or speaking. And uh, in a way, I feel that also becomes a little bit like an analogy of not just speaking in public, but also taking that action and allowing to embody whatever's coming through as like a tuning fork for the collective. And I feel like if each of us can take away the pressure of performing and open up to the trust of being and also collectively, then we can help each other and support and bring through the energy that would uplift each other the most, which is so difficult to do alone and think, my goodness, I have to just work on myself, I have to, you know, overcome these challenges and so on. And it's not even about asking for support, it's being in that energy and supportive and really speaking through what's coming. Like, hey, I feel right now in this setting, I just need to share this to you, or what's coming through. And so I feel that's a little bit like probably how we have been here in earth and society, but it's at least what I see as. Yeah, the future of leadership where everyone is a leader and everyone is a participant equally in co-creating this sort of, let's say, new way forwards as humanity.

Lyn Man 22:15

Yeah, uh so just even reflecting on that, because I I think it it's so so true, and that we become the words that are coming up, it's that we become the responsible adults, taking responsibility for ourselves and recognizing where we may have been wounded and need to to give ourselves some space and allow ourselves to heal. And and where we want to step out into the how not not how we want to step out, that's the wrong word, but coming from so taking away from the the mask, the performing. But actually what's our true authentic way of of being which goes back to what you were saying, it it's it's about trusting ourselves. And and it's interesting for me that you know, in some of the the work I've done with within Sakanta, one of the things that we've had come up with a lot is is people it's that lack of trust that they don't like people because going back to what I said, right? It's the external people looking for that external validation they forget to trust what's within. So I just want to go back to or even just get you to reflect on your own lives and coming to that trust and how you have learned to trust yourself over time. Because I think it's uh for me it's almost it's I guess because of societal pressures, it's something we have to it's like something we've been taken away from and then we have to come back to it.

Learning To Trust Through Hard Times

Christopher Evatt 24:25

It's very true. I just think um the question was looking back at my own life, and particularly when I was younger, I was setting up companies and businesses and things, and I wasn't listening to my inner guidance. I was doing things that I thought would be exciting and good and and so on, so external, but I wasn't listening to that inner self. And I realized looking back that if I had listened to my inner self, which is a very quiet little voice inside, that I've now learned to listen to because it's wiser than sort of my rational mind and impulses, uh, if I listened to that, things would have gone much more smoothly. So it was learning to listen to that quiet voice, that the soul really speaking, which is all knowing. And that's taken a long time for me to to come to that realization, and not just to be carried away with the moment or the the next best opportunity or whatever it happens to be. Yeah.

Alexander Evatt 25:41

Yeah. I I like what you said, Lyn, about uh sort of when it goes away and then it can come back even stronger, because that's the only way to get the feedback of it and and to get the sort of let's say mirroring of your own experience because it's only internal. It doesn't work when someone tells you, oh, you know, just stick in there, believe it. It comes from yeah, from your experiences of of the times that it's come back more than gone away. And that starts to create that flow and and that trust. Uh, and for me, definitely, like very difficult situations of moving to new countries and starting new studies or jobs, and then relationships ending and feeling like, oh my goodness, the whole my whole world is sort of collapsing, everything I've known. And I feel especially during that, it was a difficult breakup I was going through, very emotionally heavy. But when I learned to through breathing and just like wherever, wherever the pain was, that's what obviously was asking for the awareness and attention, which is asking for the energy to go to. So in my case, a relationship ending just showed up as a pattern that was happening in my life, but actually it was just calling me back into my heart to bring the energy there and to open up something that was blocked in my system. And so when I could open that up, then I could also learn to, in a sense, trust because I could sense and I could again navigate and pick up on okay, I can trust my body to tell me internally what's happening externally and vice versa. And then just by simply bringing my awareness and breathing to that particular area, whatever's going on, I know that it's the mechanisms to be in natural alignment. And I feel this is very important, the word natural, because life naturally does, you know, flow, and when it's in chaos, it seeks equilibrium and and sort of a natural way of flowing. But it's I feel very important not to think like society or on what we see on what people post on social media or these glamorous lives, and I feel that's what brings a lot of anxiety to also younger generations that are like, gosh, how should I be? You know, like I can't just be myself and and make mistakes. I have to peak perform and be on this top level all the time. So yeah, I feel like being able to return again with the presence and just see it as it's a realigning all the time. And and it's and and I mean that's the definition of dance. It's moving in and out of balance in rhythm. So in a way, we are meant to move through life in and out of balance, but it's through that we get our own, you know, flow, like you said. And so there's just different currents, different cycles that are natural, some smaller, some, you know, bigger. But in the end, once we learn our own ways of returning and aligning, I feel then, you know, then we are equipped to to dance with whatever's coming in life. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. So life is a dance.

Christopher Evatt 29:11

Yeah. All life is the rhythm, yeah, and you dance to that rhythm.

Nature’s Rhythms And Reflection

Lyn Man 29:20

Yeah, that that is beautiful. And and when you're talking there, um taken out into to nature because everything is that rhythms and cycles, and I think that's something we've really come away from is is tuning into those rhythms and cycles, not just in ourselves, but in the the world outside. And and I think, you know, personally, that's one of the unlearnings and learnings that I've been going through is going back into, you know, really connecting in with those those rhythms and cycles in myself and out in the natural world and and learning from from what I see. And I think the personally, the wisdom we see around us can really help stir up the wisdom within because it's acting almost as a a mirror as to, you know, and even going back to what I said about about mystery earlier, you know, that was sparked by the moon last night. And I took a a picture and it was kind of past the full moon, but but it was, you know, the way it was was sitting and and just looking at it, it's like with the clouds and there was kind of misty and you get this new really mysterious uh image. And it just I think it's allowing yourself to to contemplate and going back to you know the word you used early on, Christopher, that reflection and and even in those quiet meditative spaces you talk of, Alexander, but that whole allowing ourselves to explore things I think is something as well that we often come away from when we get into the the do do do mind and it becomes giving ourselves creating that space to dance, as you say, or tune into the rhythm of life.

Alexander Evatt 31:39

Yeah, I I love it. And also I feel even space to be bored.

Lyn Man 31:45

Yeah. That's important.

Alexander Evatt 31:48

Because we can even when we go with an attention to create space, like, okay, I'm gonna meditate, I'm gonna just trying to tune in and and get rid of my anxiety. There's already like a performance notion. So so like also just okay, let's just space just to be be bored and whatever comes through if it starts drawing or just reflecting or things, yeah, I feel can help also to kind of come into that neutral space without like having the performance of okay, now I'm gonna Yeah.

Lyn Man 32:21

And it but it's interesting, I think, in that space to be bored when we actually go into ourselves, that's often when we notice tensions and anxieties within ourselves and can give them those the attention and then see what can come through creatively. And I loved is the wrong word, but I always think being bored when I was a child, that's when we kind of went I went out in my own little world and created things and and with my my own children, it was one of the things, you know, actually making them go outside and be bored, not be on, you know, devices or whatever. But it's like right, you need to go outside and do whatever. And uh, or when you got the question, well, what can I do now? Imagine, go find something. And um I think you're right, there's so much learning that we can find within that being bored.

Boredom, Space And Group Coherence

Alexander Evatt 33:25

Yeah. Yeah, and it's interesting, especially in like workspaces, because often it's like, oh, let's do a team development or let's go out and I don't know, do an escape room or whatever and something. But what if we can in companies also create spaces really just to be for the sake of being together? And that's for me where I love, for example, circling practices with exactly this topic of what happens with a group. You have a kind of a facilitator, but the idea is just to be together to see what's what's there, it's coming through. And I and I feel like that is how I would see the future, a little bit of workspaces and organizations to realize the the real human value of being humans together, taking away the work notion and realizing that wow, this is you know, this is really where that magic happens, that sweet spot, and the true connections, the bridging of generations, the interaction, of coming together beyond any yeah, backgrounds or or work experience. And yeah, I I I have experienced that as well in the work I'm doing in Vienna, for example, with Inner Development Hub I created, and now with uh another collective with dear friends and colleagues, we just launched We Spaces so to for events and conferences and meetings and so on to just come and set the tone for the space, come into the heart, create coherence, social coherence, and then from there the organizers can you know go along with the the event. But unless that's there, I feel whatever you do, it won't be you know fully maybe enlightened or might not reach there, or it might take a long time. Yeah, and I love the Shruti, our dear friend and colleague in New Zealand. She works often with Maori elders and often they're invited into rooms, meeting rooms, and so on. But often the Western Europeans in New Zealand get quite frustrated sometimes because they want to start the meeting. But no, no, they would say let's let's wait maybe an hour or two or longer even, because unless they feel everyone is in that sort of social coherence in that heart space, they won't even go along with the meeting. Yeah. But yeah.

Lyn Man 35:56

So just with that, because it's you know, with with new direction and it's you're you're looking at new ways of of being of leadership. And but you're drawing on wisdom from the ages as well as what's coming up now. In terms of leadership and people stepping into the space of creating the new world what do you see as again, I'm trying to think of a again, it's words don't work, but but what what do you see as the as the important things for for people to embrace when they are that leader coming together? And I know you you were just talking about um you know a lot of collaborative work there, Chris uh Alexander, but but just with that, going back to the Alito for the New Ages, what would that look like?

Christopher Evatt 37:11

I think the first thing that comes to mind is that the uh the so-called leader, whoever happens to be, and we're all leaders, as you said earlier on, is that full self-acceptance, and it goes back to uh the name of this podcast, I am enough. Uh, that's number one. And to uh to be and when we have the full self-acceptance, we also accept our vulnerability and our sensitivity, uh, and what we don't know. Uh so the the new leader uh leading us into the new world, and we're all doing this one way and the other, is to be fully ourselves and being role models for others to also be their full selves, mentally and emotionally, spiritually, and every possible way. And then the the consciousness becomes one, how can we help each other to be our full selves? And that is the role of leadership.

Lyn Man 38:18

That's beautiful.

New Leadership: Wholeness And Vision

Alexander Evatt 38:22

Yeah, and I would I would add to that as well about imagination and and vision, and that when we are in the present moment, either ourselves or collectively, including beyond just human beings, also with nature, I feel the gift of being in this form as a human being, in this time and space continuum. We have the ability, like we've already talked with, with the heart and the mind and the different intelligences in the body to really tune in and to bring into creation into this sphere, into this reality, into this dimensionality. And I feel a lot of what we've created in this world has been a lot of uh sort of very materialistic, Newtonian, sort of more dense way of constructing reality and navigating. And I feel what now we're opening up to is really to be able to sense what what is the creation that we've called to bring through us. And that will be unique to everybody because all of us are born and have chosen before birth certain gifts that we carry to bring out into this lifetime, really as you know, souls to evolve and ultimately as humanity to evolve. And so, like you said, I feel it's coming into that wholeness and really coming into your own gifts without the again putting it into a certain company or work context of oh, I'm now gonna make lots of money on that and so on. Yes, it's part of it, but it's a whole other form of energy exchange. It's again a form of trust and knowing that you know what you give out ripples ultimately back in multifolds for everyone around you. So that is the true abundance. But back to the imagination and and vision, I feel that for me that is a super important notion of leadership because that means it's really downloading from the field, and it might come through you, it might come through somebody else, but the way you choose to respond to it will be fully uniquely in line with your gifts. And so ultimately, whatever we do, however we work with technology and whatever's coming and so on, if we do it from that place, from that pure intention, and we listen and can respond, I have no doubt at all that whatever we're co-creating, you know, would be something totally wonderful. We'll get totally new downloads of inventions that have never been seen before because it comes purely from source. And when we act with that, I mean more children that are born are equipped to contain higher levels of energy and frequency to be able to build this new world. And I feel us who have chosen to be here at this time are the bridge builders to help create that space, but also invite then the younger generations, the younger leaders to fully be able to be, you know, living in this reality together with us and help shape it. So that's yeah, that's how I see it.

Lyn Man 41:44

And it's then we talk about yeah, you know, taking what you both say to together and coming back to that that being homeless and being unique, and I think it goes back as well to yeah, seeing ourselves. Seeing our uniqueness, all parts of our uniqueness. So whether it is what we're here to learn, whether it is what the gifts that we bring with us, they're they're they're just two parts of us. And and it go going back to the the the rhythms and the balance, like balance isn't a constant balance. There is that that movement, that flow. And so for me it is very much with that our experiences will always create different emotions. When we're learning things might not work the first time, that's okay. And so embracing our whole self and our gifts and just letting everything come through us but not just through us, through going back to what you were saying about leaders. Leaders are not are no longer what you say is it's not how we perceived a leader in the past as in somebody who is hierarchical, for example. If we take it back to we're all leaders and we're all working together to co create and support each other, but in seeing our individuality and seeing our own gifts. But what you're saying is in a way that is a present, curious, sensing. problem this things there. And that will actually help us all move forward. And I and I'm coming back just well to the the kind of what you said about the linking the generations. And it is that knowing that I guess it's a different way of viewing the generations, but looking at the the wisdom and the freshness and everything that can come together from it rather than I think in society right now there's a almost a separation at times between generations because there's almost an expectation rather than in sort of working together. And I'm not sure if that really represents what you've been telling me, but but that's what I'm feeling is kind of coming through to me. So is that is there anything else you want to expand on on there? Because I I just love this way that you're looking at how leaders um co-creation can can happen.

Christopher Evatt 45:20

Well we're all we're all here together um and it's the recognizing you know as you say we all have our individual gifts but we're all part of one big family. And it's a question of just collaborating and cooperating and co-creating together to create a really good family life together no matter what generation we are or what our circumstances are. And I think that's the going to be the the new world that we see as one that's is one of unity and supporting each other with all of our differences and our different gifts that we have, you know, to bring bring to the party so to speak so that's that's how I would be seeing it and whatever we can do to support that sharing and uh coming together is going to form that new reality that we are here to form.

Bridging Generations And Healing

Lyn Man 46:21

I love that actually classifying it because if I think of you know what I create in the connections within my own family, it's basically you're taking that out and I love that seeing everybody as family and coming to that from a place of understanding and allowing so it's not about you know people sitting with sitting there with their opposing views and being solid on them. It's about having going back to the sitting in circle and and being able to share without judgment and and get an understanding and everybody coming from that place of openness and curiosity well what does that mean? And again going back to how does this benefit all the generations in the future it's a very different way of looking at things.

Alexander Evatt 47:24

Yeah yeah exactly what what we've done with Dad for example is recently worked with a family organization a thin Swedish family organization that's been running over what's now the fifth generation or something like that down the line where the the founders you know are still on the board and in leadership positions now in their 70s and it yeah a lot of it was for succession for you know their children to fully be able to run run it and and trust them and then their children again being in their teenagers or I think the youngest you know 14 and up to you know early 30s or something like that of their children. So what we then did when we were called in to work to help a little bit with the bridging of generations was to realize to come together in a space of kind of vulnerability because then all the let's say experience of having been the first ones and going through all the hardships and then maybe the expectations from the younger ones like oh will they be able to follow the legacy of this and what will become of them and that they all have different interests and so on. But when we could come into that space and and we had the family spread out over France and Sweden and Finland and all over the world and usually they'd meet up at least twice a year physically but that's usually around a celebration and so on. So the conversation is quite limited. So what we decided to do was to create small breakout rooms and the the the the intro question or the icebreaker was like during this year when did you go most out of your comfort zone? And that like open up in 12 minutes they said they'd shared more and learned more about each other than in many years because they all could be vulnerable and it didn't matter what you did it mattered how you approached that situation which is then about the individual and not about where you're positioned in that family line. So we could sort of neutralize that as the ground and then from there went deeper into the values and the the the grandchildren could ask stories from the grandparents and like oh how did you do this and so they created like a storytelling thing like this and so yeah what what you said like about being able to come into that space but also a space of deep listening and be able to take your role a little bit to a side and just sort of be there as a human being. And then it comes to what you said dad about being the family ultimately yeah yeah but I I do feel because we have been conditioned so much from society and so much from what family dynamics should look like companies should look like da da da da da we that is also a role of of leaders today is to realize the traumas that are there and the healing that needs to take place. We can't just bypass it we we do have to do a lot of healing so the ones who are working on themselves actively and are sensitive I feel that is you know a role to realize that you know how can we create these spaces of healing in our environment if it's our family our work our friends someone in the park whatever so yeah that and that worked really well

Society’s Divisions And Reconnection

Christopher Evatt 50:54

oh good it it went really well and I I'm just reflecting on what has occurred is that there has been a driver in society to divide the society up because there was money to be made from that I mean the children live in one house and Granny lives in her flat and and somebody else so through the division and I know General Motors and I think one of the big uh tire companies in the States intentionally brought up public transport systems and closed them up so houses would have to be built so people would live in separate houses because there were more cars to be sold and more building materials to be sold because of that. So we've lived through an age of uh and it's driven partly by economics for people to be divided and and and that's that's what we are now coming out of and the cost of that has been absolutely astronomic. I mean people are divided from neighbors and elderly people are in rest homes and don't see their children anymore or grandchildren and so on. So this is the world that we need to change and come together.

Lyn Man 52:11

Yeah it is and I think again going back to the the reflection because it's only when we can step back and see things as they are and look at them maybe from a different perspective that we can start to see as how these divisions have been created and taken us away from even just being you know even if you think of a small community that that's how I guess many ancestors used to live. So yeah, it's it's interesting and it takes me to you know just from that looking at how society's informers, it takes me to a final question for you. And you can both give different answers if you if you wish or it may be the same. But if you could change one societal belief that would benefit humanity as a whole, what would that be?

Christopher Evatt 53:24

Hmm what comes up for you? What well what I've just said it's um to know that we're all on this little tiny speck in the universe uh and we're all here as one family we're all here to work together for the common good that would be the one thing and as soon as we start to do that and I applied this in my businesses is that I immediately attracted the full support of my stakeholders my suppliers my customers because I'm I said to them I'm here for the good of you of how you can grow and develop as a supplier and how you can grow and develop as a customer and of course we were booked up weeks in advance because of that approach if I said I'm just here to make as much money as I can from you give me the lowest price and I'll sell at the highest price for the customers that wouldn't have happened.

Lyn Man 54:24

But that's the shift that's my message but I love you even the the the difference in the body language there is very telling as well just in in the approach and it and I think that's the thing it's how how it comes through is so so different in the words in the the actions yeah yeah yeah thank you yeah for me it's to wake up from I would say the conditioned illusion of separation yeah and I choose the word conditioned very particularly because that's how I feel without being good or bad it's just the way we've sort of you know evolved as society but now I feel it's really the threshold to not just know it from a quantum theoretical or metaphysical level but to experience it.

One Belief To Change: Unity

Alexander Evatt 55:29

And so my wish for everyone is to have or be able to in their lifetimes have an experience of deep connection with themselves, with each other with nature and with the universe and from that experience being able to express and reflect and gain deeper let's say wisdom of how they show up and and what they wish to do in their lives. And I truly believe that this society will tremendously change very very fast when we come into our heart space and when we can feel the unity on all levels. If it's just simply going out like our mutual friend Mark going out into the nature spending a time with a tree and connecting and allowing yourself to take away any beliefs that says this is ridiculous. Why am I doing this?

Lyn Man 56:27

I can't talk to this tree it's not living all these things just inviting into that that moment and be able to see what comes up simple as that but super powerful it is and I think you know that in that that connection it's going back starting you know seeing everybody as family as connected as as part of everything and and going out and I think there's for me it's like going back to the the inner knowing and when we come back to that then we actually we do know we're all connected and yes science is catching up with what it's able to show now but it does come back to being going within and trust and knowing that wisdom and all these things that you have so beautifully shared through your own wisdom today. So thank you both so very much for for this conversation. I've really enjoyed it and it's one it there it could have gone in so many directions because you've shared so much wisdom and I think there's so much more that could emerge so thank you.

Christopher Evatt 57:56

Well thank you we've been having a really enjoyable time with you and thank you so much for your questions.

Alexander Evatt 58:05

Yeah thank thank you so much for this beautiful heart space yeah and to see what emerges and come together.

Closing Reflections And Resources

Lyn Man 58:14

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