Resolve IBS and IBD Naturally
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Resolve IBS and IBD Naturally
Episode 61: The Mind-Gut Connection: Unveiling German New Medicine, with Matt Travis
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Our minds and guts are connected in ways that extend far beyond what conventional medicine recognizes, with unresolved trauma and subconscious programming potentially driving persistent gut symptoms despite perfect diet and lifestyle habits. Matt Travis shares his journey from fitness professional to hypnotherapist and German New Medicine practitioner, revealing how addressing the psyche-brain-organ connection can provide healing for even the most stubborn gut issues.
• Physical support through nutrition and lifestyle must be the foundation for gut healing
• Persistent symptoms despite "doing everything right" often indicate deeper psychosomatic factors
• German New Medicine views symptoms as either active conflicts or healing phases
• Many symptoms worsen during healing phases, causing people to misinterpret healing as disease
• Childhood experiences and parental programming profoundly impact our subconscious responses
• Hypnotherapy provides access to subconscious conflicts without reliving traumatic experiences
• Candida and other "infections" may actually be part of the body's healing mechanism
• Resolving conflicts at the level of the psyche can trigger physical healing processes
• Self-devaluation conflicts ("enoughness issues") commonly underlie many physical symptoms
• Healing requires addressing both physical foundations and psychological conflicts
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Introduction to Resolve IBS and IBD
Speaker 1Welcome to Resolve IBS and IBD. Naturally, I'm Courtney Cowie, a nutrition therapy and functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner. If you are struggling with the symptoms of IBS or IBD and want to get to the root cause of your symptoms so you can take back your health through a whole person approach, this podcast is for you. Just a disclaimer that the information I'm presenting in this podcast is for educational purposes only and should not be taken as medical advice. You should always consult a qualified practitioner before making any changes to your health or medical regimen. That being said, let's get on with the show.
Speaker 1I'm very fascinated with German New Medicine and I've really gotten to a place both with my own personal health journey and with some of the more complex people I've been attracting, because, as you know, everyone's a mirror. You attract yourself at whatever place you're at in time, and then sometimes you're attracting people who are like past versions of you right, and so I'm just more and more of the belief. Although I love supporting physical health from a functional testing, nutritional, lifestyle, behavioral change kind of like you did as well, I'm really starting to see that the nervous system and what's stored in the body emotionally and unresolved trauma wise, is really like the core of it, and I love the framework of German new medicine, and I also am a huge fan of hypnotherapy, although I've never really done much of it, but I see a huge potential. So yes, so anyhow with that intro, so I combine them together.
Speaker 2I know we're going to have a great conversation today. So if you are open to seeing wherever the hell this goes. It's the most fun part about this. That's how my podcast works, and we're just going to go, I think, into different places that you may have never gone with other people, which will be fun.
Speaker 1All right, matt. Well, I'm going to let you roll with it because I know you got a lot to say, and obviously we're going to set her on hypnotherapy and germany medicine, because those are things that have not been on the podcast and I know people are really going to love and that have a lot of value, I think, for the IBS and IBD camp of folks, which is the people I'm really speaking to here, right?
Speaker 2Awesome, perfect, excellent. I think the place to start is how did I even find this? Like, how did this even happen? Because it's interesting a lot of people don't know where I started. Like I graduated, uh, my undergrad with, uh, physical physical education and health. Like I was a, uh, kindergarten to third grade phys ed teacher for 18 years and I love um, I love movement and I love uh play and I love uh play and I love um just the physical nature of how people, um, how people fall in love and stick with physical fitness and and and nutrition for life.
Speaker 2And I loved being the first experience for kids and how they got to experience how it all, you know how it all pieces together and just really, uh, genuinely caring about human beings. And uh, you know, I started it wasn't about money at all. It was like I want to just work with kids and help kids. And then I decided, you know, basically my high school football coach was like, hey, come coach with me. So I started coaching high school football and then I got into the uh, I just was watching these kids just run down the field and like blow an ACL or, like, you know, throw out an ankle or something like that. I'm like what the hell's going on here? And so that led me to go and watch them in the weight room and see how they were. Uh, how horrible that looked. And I was like. I was like man, this is not great either. And so it led me to the first conference I went to. Um was called perform better and perform better. Uh, it's it. It's run in multiple places, all three places in the United States, so I live outside of Boston and so I drove down to Providence, rhode Island, and then that was like what opened up, like Pandora's box for me, where I was like, oh my God, there's so much that I don't know. And it was like really the beginning. This is circa like 2007, 2008. And it was like really the beginning. This is circa like 2007, 2008. And so I was like man, like there's a whole nother world I don't know anything about.
Speaker 2And so I just started digging deeper and it led me to the International Youth Conditioning Association and I just started falling in love with strength and conditioning and doing that type of certification, while getting my master's in health and physical education, and just falling in love and being just genuinely curious about all of this. And so I decided in 2009, 2010, I was dating my current wife and I was I this was august, probably 2010 I decided to buy a fitness franchise and a wedding ring on the same day, clean out my bank account and, and, and you know, here we go, uh, uh, opened the fitness facility and that's when it started to unlock all these other things that led me to German New Medicine and hypnotherapy. I didn't know it yet, though I was still in the infancy of this, so it was kind of like I was launching this thing and I was. It was probably half kids, you know, half athletes and half adults at the time, and it was something where two things happened that that led me to this other path that we're going to go into deeper today, but I think it's important to know how you end up finding this.
Speaker 2So, so the first thing was, you know, a year into running my fitness facility, I was like man, it's so wild how there's some people, which is like a very small percentage of the population, like three to 5% can get results and keep them. No problem, it's just, they just go on and they're good, but it's very, very minuscule. So how come? How come this? This was the first question that led me on like a decade and a half journey that led me to hypnotherapy and germ new medicine. So the question was how come some people get results but can't keep them? Like, what's that about? Why is that? And then how come some people will do everything you ask diet, nutrition, sleep, exercise and they don't get results? What's that about? And so it just kind of led me on this adventure. And also, at the same time, here I am teaching from 8 am to 3 pm and then going and running a fitness facility from 3.30 to 8 pm.
Speaker 2Just had our first child, and that's when I just started getting sinus infections and this is going to probably ring this is going to make sense to your clients because I just started getting sinus infections and I didn't understand where they were coming from. And when you have that type of stuff happen and you don't know what you don't know, you go to the doctor. One hammer, one nail, antibiotics, right. And so I took my first bout. This was, I'm going to say, 2012. At the same time, I was living in an apartment that I just had discovered in the walls there was mold in the walls, there was stuff like that. So it was just like a perfect storm situation Me and my wife. We just got married, so I took antibiotics. Nothing worked.
Matt's Journey from Fitness to Healing
Speaker 2Then I went on my honeymoon. This was like 2012. And I got into um, uh, you know a beautiful honeymoon excursion and I, while I was on the excursion, we, we went on this tour on the Island and I ended up, uh, we stopped at this place and this you know woman in her kitchen served us food and she gave us water. Not thinking anything about it, I drank the water. Not great, okay, it caused further issues because when I got, I mean, the last night there I remember this because it was my 30th birthday I just vomiting and just like horribleness. And then when we got home, it was like the next seven days I had just like every type of gastrointestinal experience that anybody who has your clientele will totally know what I'm talking about. I don't even need to say it. It was horrible, right. And that was the next antibiotics, okay.
Speaker 2And then, uh, I just started getting sugar cravings, not understanding that either. And here I am running my fitness facility telling clients don't eat refined sugar and I'm closet eating it like claws, like hardcore, hardcore and not under, and feeling a lot of shame and like frustration around it, like I'm just, I'm like uncontrollable. It's kind of like the munchies, like I just can't stop. Um, but had no clue. Gut bacteria didn't understand any of that at this point. Um, and you know, of course, that led to more sinus infections, more stress, because I was literally running a business teaching full-time and I mean the business was starting to thrive. I mean we had like 150 member, 200 members, and I had a staff and there's a whole thing and just trying to do it all, um, and you know, after like the fourth or fifth sinus infection, antibiotics.
Speaker 2So this was, I want to say, 2014, january 2014. I took my last bout of antibiotics. Uh, I'm a big guy, so if you met me in person, I'm about six, three, six, four. Uh, I, at that point I was about 205 pounds and I dropped down to one 63 in three months. Um, completely destroyed my gut flora. I was just the whole, my whole gastrointestinal system wasn't. I wasn't digesting, I wasn't absorbing, I wasn't assimilating food.
Speaker 2At that point, didn't know what I was doing, scared to death. Um, because when you're in that space, that's probably how a lot of your clients feel when they come to see you like you don't know who to trust, who to go through, who you just don't know. And it was, uh, it was a scary time, and when you're in pain you'll take anything, you'll do anything, you'll pay anything. And I was buying every supplement. I stopped drinking, I stopped in taking the first two things to go was caffeine and gluten, just for like yep, I mean pretty familiar in the literature, like don't gluten, goodbye, like that type of thing. And so I also was just like taking as many supplements as cumulatively possibly like everything you can think of.
Speaker 2And this was the wake up call to me was, uh, I went and saw an applied kinesiologist and for those of you that don't know what that is, it's basically it was a chiropractor who did muscle testing, just to understand it deeper. And so he was like, bring all your supplements, so I fill up a giant basket. Like, literally, think of a basket that, just think of a giant basket. Okay, I put all my supplements in it and uh, not, it was big enough that I couldn't put it on the chair next to me. So I I go to his office. It was big enough that I couldn't put it on the chair next to me, so I go to his office, I sit in the area there and I put it in front of me and this is the first time going there and he comes out of the office and he takes one look at me and he takes one look at the basket and he just starts laughing. And then he runs back into his office and then comes out with his phone and he took, takes a picture of me with the basket and I'm smiling and laughing at the same time because in my mind I'm like, oh, I, I, it clicked for me. I'm like I'm doing this wrong, right, like I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I'm throwing spaghetti at the wall home and it's gonna stick. Um, he was super helpful and really, you know, between between him and then uh, the uh, you know, the acupuncturist.
Speaker 2I eventually got into acupuncture as well because of, uh, we were having trouble getting pregnant and we had two miscarriages and um, we saw my wife, saw an acupuncturist, and that gave me my wife back and we ended up having a child naturally after that and that was transformative and it led me to acupuncture. So, between the chiropractic, applied kinesiology and acupuncture, those were my first steps, as well as very deep nutritional transformation and stress reduction transformation and, and all that led me to repair and heal my gut. Okay, so that was phase one of all this and, you know, heading into 2016 was like I can't do this anymore. I'm going to kill myself trying to run this fitness facility and teach full-time and all that stuff. So I decided to not renew my lease and December 2016, just said goodbye to that, close the doors and headed into 2017.
Speaker 2Sad feeling that was probably my first and we'll get into this as we go into German New Medicine, but that was probably my first trauma conflict. Okay, so when we get into this, we we have to understand um, it's acute, it's very like, oh, like you didn't see it coming. It was like I thought I was gonna, I thought it was gonna have multiple genomes. I thought that was gonna be me forever. Thank god it wasn't because I am totally doing what I'm supposed to be doing now, but it was sad and there was a lot of shame around what I saw as failure in that moment in time with the fitness facility, because it was really successful, but I couldn't keep it going. So I could get the plate to spin, but I couldn't keep it spinning on my finger right Couldn't keep all the plates spinning and that, of course, fed some of the deeper enoughness issues that I dealt with, which we'll talk about when we get deeper into hypnotherapy and German New Medicine. But in German New Medicine they call that self-devaluation conflict. Okay, so I call it enoughness issues. So all of us deal with enoughness issues in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2But I didn't know any of this at this time, didn't understand. I had done all of Tony Robbins' programs, all of Les Brown and Jim Rohn's mind programs. I took them all and that was my understanding of mindset. So I was very good at mindset and nutrition and fitness at this time heading into the online space 2017. And I was like I could build something out of this, and that was when I got introduced to the like high ticket coaching. I didn't know what that was. I didn't know any of that stuff. I didn't know what that meant.
Speaker 2But I realized very quickly that I actually could work with less people, get them 10x results and really support them in a much deeper capacity, which is what they really needed in the first place, and I just felt so blessed and grateful that I was kind of like I would say God pushed me this direction with the gut stuff, you know, and also I felt this might not ring true for many of you listening, but I felt like I was given gut health issues so that I could spend, you know, 10,000 hours studying the gut and really understanding it at such a deep level.
Speaker 2Because, like, god was like, oh, he can handle it, like, let's let him, because he's going to learn, we know him, he's going to just go down this rabbit hole and never give up. And you know, it was like I was, uh, when I did my upper endoscopy to fully like, address all the gut health stuff, it w, it was Candida and H pylori, overgrowth and and all that stuff. And they were like, oh, you need a triple bout of antibiotics to resolve this. And I was like, isn't that how I got into this situation?
Speaker 2Like that doesn't make any sense Like and so I'm sitting in the in the in the waiting room of the upper endoscopy place and, like they have, I have my script for my triple bout of antibiotics and I remember I walked out of the office, I ripped up the script and I drew a line in the sand that day, being like I'm going to do everything in my power to learn everything I can learn about gut health and everything else, and that's what led me down, further down this rabbit hole. So, as you could see, it started fitness first five years, then it was like nutrition and fitness the next five years, and then it was gut health and the mind the next five years. And it was just like it just kept going and going and going and unraveling this wild whirlwind that you know I was bringing in these people in 2017, 2018 and 2019 and getting really good results with them. And that's when I launched my first program. I called it the Oxygen Mask Accelerator and it was geared towards moms who were having difficulties losing weight, difficulty with hormone balancing and gut health. That was and mindset stuff. So that was my main clientele, you know, these working moms that just there was a lot of enoughness issues and just a lot of things coming together, and it just I got to spend, you know, four, three, four years in the trenches with these, with these amazing women, and a lot of people ask me the question at this point well, matt, why just women I had? Is the? It's just who came to work with me? I mean, that's the best way I could describe it, like it was. It was so fascinating, like when I opened my fitness facility, it started off with high school male football players and male basketball players.
Speaker 2Within three years, I look on the floor, it's like high school female athletes, high school athletes and moms, and it was just like this is who you're supposed to be serving, this is who you're supposed to be helping. So I just went with it. Of course, imposter syndrome creeps in for all of us, but I'm a guy and yet I knew that I had talked to, literally at this point, thousands of moms and listened to their stories and what they think about before they fall asleep at night and their fears and all these things, and so I really understood them at a very deep level and I will say this and I'll say this for all of you listening I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever know what it's like to be a woman and what it's like to be a mom and what it's like to be in your shoes. I just empathize because you are the linchpin that holds all of this together, and when mom is unhealthy and unhappy and dealing with gut health issues, it affects everybody and everything else. And so I just said I'm going to do everything in my power to support these amazing women and support them in their gut health and their mind and their all of the things.
Speaker 2Okay, but they there's a limit to that is what I realized, like I I just was like what if I could just read their mind? There's something that I can't see right now and I know you feel like this. You know you, this, you're like I just want to help these people, but I can't see. There's something there and I couldn't put my thumb on it. I couldn't figure it out. I was like, as much as I do with these folks, with the gut health stuff and all those things, as much as I do, there's just pieces that were missing, that I just couldn't understand.
Speaker 2That's what led me to a couple things. So it led me first to amazing people like Bruce Lipton and Dr Joe Dispenza and Marissa Peer and all of these folks that were doing just very different things and had a very different shift and take as well as it like, really like helped me because I had such like a science brain, like I have my master's in science and like, so I I needed some of that before I kind of went down this totally different path that I had no clue was going to unfold into what we're going to go deeper today. But it's like these folks and reading, so a couple books that I read that changed my life, and so the first one was Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton. Body Keeps the Score. I don't remember the author, but it's a long read, it's a big book.
Speaker 1I think, it's Bessel van der Kolk, isn't it?
Speaker 2There you go. Okay, so that one changed it for me. And then also Trauma by Paul Conti. All of these books are books that just really helped me start to understand there's something deeper and I can't see it and I can't get close enough to it to actually help these people. And they're actually wearing in my opinion, or from what I'm learning here not even my opinion, from what I'm learning here this weight that they're wearing. It's just a fat suit protecting them subconsciously and so no matter what we do to help them externally with their health stuff, if I don't address the inner stuff and we don't get a hint on that, I'm actually doing.
Speaker 2I don't want to say I'm doing a disservice, I'm just not doing everything in my absolute power to support these people. That's what it was right, because there's like a lot of the folks when they come and work with you because you're amazing at this stuff, like when they come to work with you, you're probably able to get at least 70-75% of them all the way through and get a lot of the symptoms reduced and all those stuff like, like and I'll say this before I fully go into the hypnotherapy in Germany medicine. I know I took a long route, and I hope everybody followed me on my ADHD fueled story here, folks, and I hope you enjoyed so. So I'll say this before I go into this is you absolutely have to address nutrition, or sorry, nutrition and movement, before we uncover any of the other boxes? Y'all, like I tried to get, I sat in the waiting room with all the supplements. Stop trying to throw supplements at stuff that isn't resolved. On the other end of things, first right do I love, like you know, standard process and stuff like that. I do and I really love, I really think they have great products and and, at the same sense, they supplement. You know, food and sleep and movement, like these are the keys to the cornerstone to everything else, and I don't think we have enough time to go deep down this rabbit hole and maybe we'll do another round. Uh, but today is about germative medicine and and and rapid transformation hypnotherapy. So here we are at this pinnacle where I'm like I need to know.
Speaker 2So it was 2019 and I so it was 2019 and I had been following Marissa Peer for a long time at this point and she had, just within the past year or so, like launched her certification to help people get certified in hypnosis and I liked her certification because it had a bunch and boy did I love my certs at that point still. So basically it was a mixture of neurolinguistic programming, cognitive behavioral therapy, psychotherapy, and it was basically like delivered on a platter of like hypnotherapy, hypnosis, okay. And so I was like I gotta, I gotta do it and and so I jump in. You know, this was the end of 2019, going into 2020. And I finish it. I flew through it. I spent all my waking hours Anytime I wasn't teaching and I wasn't helping clients. I was like in this, like hardcore, so I get certified March 2020.
Speaker 2And many of you might remember, you might be like oh, march 2020. Huh, what happened in 2020? And for many of you, that was a very tricky timeframe because that was literally the start of COVID and it was a massive shift for a lot of people. And so here I was brand new, fresh, fresh baby hypnotherapist guy, like being like, okay, let's just do as many of these sessions to get really good with this. So I literally, within that year, I did a hundred sessions because I just wanted to know. I wanted to know and I wanted to become the best Anything I do, I just really want to become, not the best for me but the best for my clients, just to be able to serve them at the greatest, highest level. So, you know, I did every type of session you can imagine weight loss, smoking, drinking, confidence, money. All these so many different sessions and I fell in love, like I was like man. This is so cool. So cool I was. I was like everything that I had always wanted to be able to know. I was able to see the reasons why people were getting stuck Cause. So for those of you that are like already freaked out by everything I'm saying on here today, uh, if you're already freaked out, let me just like really clear the air with what hypnotherapy is and what it isn't.
Speaker 2Okay, if you've ever seen stage hypnosis, it's not anything like that. You are when in 100 control, 100 of the time. If you uh don't want to be, uh, hypnotized, you won't be. If you uh a lot of people, they'll go through it and they'll go. I didn't even feel like I was hypnotized. Yeah, you don't. You just feel relaxed, you feel calm and you're much more open to sharing things that you wouldn't necessarily share or be able to even see if you weren't in a different brainwave state, that's all it is. Folks, I mean… you, every night, folks, before you go to sleep, you go into a different brainwave state. That is the equivalent of susceptibility to new ideas and aka hypnosis.
Speaker 2Okay, so it's something that is very we're all part of it, and I don't know if you, any of you, have children, but if you've ever watched a child watch TV, they're like, uh, they just stare there, they just stare at the television with their mouth open. That's a perfect example of hypnosis TV, doesn't? It's like that's what it is. And and, uh, you know, from zero to seven, you're, uh, in that brainwave state where you're just absorbing. You're just a little sponge man and you are, uh, I would and this is going to sound bold but I believe that your parents have the biggest. Your parents and your family have the biggest impact on you as a developing human being uh, probably more than God, just from the sense that they are indoctrinating you with all their stuff. They're just giving you everything and you get to either sift through that later on in life and work through all that stuff, or you can be blind to the fact that that's just not your responsibility and therefore that's gonna be a tough, freaking road y'all Like it just is Okay.
Speaker 2So I just I have a belief that it is our job as adults to reframe the stuff that we couldn't really wrap our head around as children. Okay, so we don't, we didn't have the capability to even understand it when we were kids. Okay, so all I do I get to take them on a journey where I help them reframe stuff that was, um, acutely traumatic, even if it's not the traumatic that you would think is traumatic, because this is another thing I learned is that there's so many different kinds of trauma and trauma doesn't care, it just it's like a lot of people, when they think trauma, they think like post-traumatic stress disorder from war, or like sexual abuse or something along those lines. One that sticks out to me all the time was I, we, I did a regression and we went back. She came to me for weight loss we did, I did a regression, we went back and she went back to her bedroom and she was trying on a tank top and her mother said she was too fat to wear it. And from freshman year on, that solidified this fat suit that she wore for the rest of her life pretty much, and it was a safety suit and it was only. It was like locked in because mom said it.
Speaker 2Mom and dad are very, very powerful figures in kids and even young adults' lives that you know, you accept it and you just go with it and you don't even know, you're not even, you're not even really questioning it. It's just, how could they say this? And this is the other thing that I'll say about that is, they don't know. They're also completely unaware of it as well, and they're dealing with generational trauma. So I mean, it's like your great grandparents handed stuff to your grandparents, that handed stuff to your parents, that handed stuff to you.
Speaker 2So I mean, we're just experiencing this at a whole different level. Y'all, like you know, they did this amazing study in mice where they had them smell like rose petals or something like that, and then they shocked them and then their kids whenever they smelled that they had never been shocked but they would have an adverse reaction to the this, this thing, and then their kids kids would have a reverse adverse reaction to this thing. So it's it's like I read all these geeky studies just to like understand not only how does this happen from like a psychological standpoint, but how does it also happen, like on the, you know, from a physical manifestation standpoint. I mean we, you think of it, it like placebo or nocebo effect. It's the same thing where we're having this experience and it's all in our mind. So it led me to realize, after doing to date I've probably done about 500, more than 500 hypnotherapy sessions but I started to really know that our mind is way more part of this gut health stuff than we could ever imagine.
Speaker 2Okay, so, with all that being said and before I get into any of this stuff, but with all that being said and before I get into any of this stuff, I really want to impart this to you If you take nothing else away from me today and you just do this one thing, which is empathize with yourself and your situation, just stop being super shitty to yourself, like in your own head. You know, in your own mind, like stop I know it's easier said than done, but just pay attention the way that you're talking to yourself in your head, because there's a good chance, it's just all of the voices, of all of the stuff that's been handed to you over decades. You know, and it's not you. You know and I'll say if it was you, then who's listening? That was a really powerful thing that I realized.
Speaker 2Like the voice in our head isn't actually us, like I like to think of it as three different people. There's you, the being. Then there's your ego, which is like the messenger from your subconscious to you and basically like, will make you feel bad or manipulate you to make sure that you follow what the subconscious is basically referring to, which is its only job is to keep you in the safe, familiar, predictable, uncertain. That's why a lot of people will completely sabotage their uh, gut healing journey because subconscious is freaking awesome. It's there to keep you safe, that's it. And you might not think that it's awesome. You might be like well, that doesn't sound awesome. It is because we would not be here if it weren't for all of these things.
Speaker 2You know like we like. You know, on the plains of africa we were. You know like we would like be like. Oh that you know there's lions and tigers over there. Don't want to go over there. There's a tribe over there. Don't go over there. Subconscious snapshot, subconscious snapshot, right and just like. It just keeps you. It's like all there to keep you safe. So what happens is, as a lot of the you know, a lot of the gut stuff is when you have this acute issue that goes on. Actually, this is going to be going more into germany medicine. So let me tell you what happened with germany medicine. Are we good? Are we good so far? I feel like we're caught up.
Battling Gut Issues and Finding Answers
Speaker 1Yeah, I think so, I think so. I just want to insert one thing just real quick here, matt, because I think everything you're saying is so awesome and I'm so glad you're saying all these things, because I think the parental model is one that a lot of mind body practitioners don't emphasize enough. A lot of people are on that intergenerational trauma and it is that. But I think that devalues our lived experience from infancy on and just how formational those years are. And I know, like what you're saying right now is so spot on.
Speaker 1I can say from my own experience being on the path of someone who's working through a lot of that garbage, you know, as part of my health reclamation journey, I think the hardest thing about seeing your own self-talk or hearing it or being aware of it is that so much of this is subconscious and until you start to access that information through something like hypnotherapy or certain other techniques, one of the things I'll just offer that's been helpful for me because I can't always see it or I'm not always aware of it is, again, this is a bit of a like learning process to get this.
Speaker 1But if you see every engagement with other people in your life as a mirror, if you feel like people are criticizing you, if you feel like people are judging you, if you feel like people are blaming you, right Like chances are good, at a subconscious level, you're already doing that to yourself, and so that can already, right there be a clue that something deeper is going on, and this is why people like Matt are available to help, because I really think this is deep hard work for the average person to really. You know, get to right Like this is not as easy as it sounds, right, matt?
Speaker 2Yes and no. So I'll give some people some light, I'll make that feel less heavy, because I totally agree with you. Everything you just said. I was like yes, and what I realized is that we can have a ton of transformation in a two-hour session, like literally, like just, I mean I have people finish with the session with me and they're like with the session with me and they're like I had no clue, like I just I had no clue, and just the awareness of it allows them to heal, like it just allows a lot of the healing to kick in, to go in. And this is where I'll say this. I'll explain this more when we go into deeper German new medicine stuff.
Speaker 2Healing can sometimes suck worse than being in the actual conflict. So healing phases sometimes seem like things are getting worse. So some of you are actually healing when it seems like things are getting worse. And that was a big, huge aha in GNM for me, like it really put a lot of the pieces of puzzle together. Um, this is so cool and and and kudos to you for for going down this rabbit hole and really being like open to understanding and learning this stuff. Um, because I'm sure you similar to to my story where you'd like be helping clients and you're like what the hell, how come? You know, I'm sure you similar to my story where you'd be helping clients and you're like what the hell, how come I'm showing them exactly what to do and they just are doing the opposite. What is going on? And they have the best intentions too. They're telling me I want to heal, I want to get better, I want to blah, blah, blah. And yeah, there's so many different directions we can go. This might be a two-part episode, folks.
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Speaker 1Well, we'll see how far we get, but yeah you know you're right and I think, honestly, part of your story which resonates with me is just the level of things going on with your gut that drove you to keep learning and learning and learning right, like exact same thing in my situation. And I think where I've kind of arrived at this, this interest area, if you will is because, as much as these physical supports I still feel have to be foundational for everybody, everybody should be eating to the best extent possible and nutrient dense, anti-inflammatory, whole foods, diet, you know, foods that work for you as an individual. Everybody should be trying to sleep well and balance their stress and work and all of the things Right. But what happens when you do all those things and you're still not well, that's the big.
Speaker 1Pandora's box that you have to eventually open up, and I think this is where this entire realm has so much potential to help people right.
Speaker 2Totally, and so that is where I was going pretty far, and I'm not even going to comment on how I eat and all these things today. I don't think that it's going to necessarily be beneficial to the conversation. I think it's going to be more the fact that. So here I am. You know, going into this was probably circa 2021, 2022, where I was like all right, you know, I had about 200 sessions under my belt and a lot of interesting things which there's a whole nother realm that that went to. But I ended up connecting with my mentor, jake, and he was a chiropractor at the time and he was using German medicine to help his clients. And I remember the first time I went to the GNM website and if you or any of you go there, you're gonna look at and be like this makes no freaking sense. I remember like looking at him, being like this is a totally different language. I don't understand this, and it was interesting Because I it wasn't until I started working with Jake and I probably spent the next year like studying with him and just like learning how this really worked and the story that got me to dig deeper I'll tell you right now and this will probably all help you be like I need to know more.
Speaker 2Because when you hear is when I heard this story, it made it turned on my, uh, my, like, my geeky, like research brain where I'm like I need to know more, I need to know everything about this. So this is the story. So Dr Hammer was a well, well known, very highly regarded cancer doctor in Germany at the time this is like the 1970s, okay. So, um, he uh, he had a son, dirk, and Dirk went to Italy. There was a crazy fluke thing. He got shot by an Italian Prince and it just just a horrible, like random, just totally not like a chronic situation. It's a very acute trauma that just happened, right, got shot within two weeks. Father by his side, he passes, he dies, okay, and here's dr homer, young guy you know, son just passed within three months. He's diagnosed with testicular cancer and he's like it doesn't add up. It doesn't add up. So he postulated there's got to be something with my son's passing and this cancer. There's just got to be something. And before I continue the rest of the story, this is for information purposes only. You decide what you want to do with this. This is for information purposes only. You decide what you want to do with this. Just telling you this is like I was, like I need to know more after everything you hear in a moment. Okay, so I'm not saying this cures cancer or anything like that. This is not what we're talking about. Just stay with me for a moment, okay.
Speaker 2So he goes and he's like he has access to all these cancer patients. So he goes and he goes into his clinic and he interviews all of the testicular cancer patients and he's like hey, before you got diagnosed with testicular cancer, did you have anything that happened? Acute, wise, like anything loss of any kind, not just one, every single one of them did dog passing, whatever it may. Be right, all of them. So he was like, huh, I'm gonna know.
Speaker 2He said he decides, okay, I just going to do some brain scans on all these folks. See what's going on, right. So they all had this trauma which he calls conflict. And then he goes and he does these brain scans and every single one of them that a certain part in their brain had this ring that formed and he calls it a hammer focus. Okay, so that's what he calls it, but in the same part's what he calls it, but in the same part of the brain on all of these patients, exact same spot. So he then is like man. There's this psyche, brain and organ connection and so he's like wow.
Speaker 2And so he then realized this is when I was like I need to know more. So he realized that when you get testicular cancer, it actually increases a lot of the factors that improve your chances of procreating again, okay. So like tumor, and increases your testosterone. There's a lot of like benefits benefits to having this so that you can procreate again. So his mind, he lost his child. So his body and his mind were just trying to support this loss by saying, hey, let's make another. And that's when I was like what, how is this? Even I just need to know more. And it and it and it's and it.
Speaker 2Actually, in that moment it brought me back to Bruce Lipton's biology of belief book that I had read before. That which made me be like German new medicine was is, is is described pretty well in that book, but just not win those terms, okay. And so what dr homer ended up going on to do was map out conflicts and how they connect to all parts of the of the brain. Right, so there's did. There's about four different parts of the brain that he looks at and how they connect to the different, and we don't have time to go as deep as I wanted with this, but but, but he, he basically just mapped everything symptoms, so not diagnoses, symptoms to different, you know, parts of the brain, to different organs, and it's to date, is still ahead of its time. People are he? So, just so everybody understands, he was laughed out of the medical community. Like he just completely like nope, like not, not, even, not even. Uh, yeah, people were definitely not ready for that in the seventies and eighties. Okay, and I mean me and Jake, we've discussed this as well. People aren't really ready for that in the 70s and 80s. Okay, and I mean me and Jake, we've discussed this as well. People aren't really ready for it now either. Like you know, jake isn't necessarily supporting people with this currently, because it's a lot for people to wrap their head around, because it is so deep down the rabbit hole when they're like, well, maybe I should just eat better, you know, maybe I should just stop eating gluten, kind of like the beginning of my story.
Speaker 2And it's only touching a piece of the puzzle, folks. It's only touching a piece. There's some stuff in there that's keeping you in. Either a you're in a hanging conflict, so you're just in conflict for so long that these symptoms are getting worse or whatever it is, or you're getting stuck in a hanging healing. So let me explain what I mean by both of those.
Speaker 2So when you have an acute response to something okay, when you have something happen, a trauma or, in German medicine's case, a conflict, your subconscious mind takes a snapshot, okay. So everything you're seeing, tasting, smelling, hearing, the time of day, the time of year, all of that is taken into account and it snapshots it. And then it's like, oh, if this happens again, you go back into this healing phase, right Like you go back into it like recreates the trauma. So if you don't unlock that loop, you're going to keep recreating. It is really what it comes down to.
Speaker 2So I thought it would be beneficial for me to kind of, like um, give you an idea of some of the questions I asked to help people work through this from a German new medicine standpoint, um, and I'm just going to use one that's like very broad. So like this is for weight weight, if you have weight gain and you want to lose weight, and you're thinking about understanding this from a psyche, brain and organ standpoint, I'm going to tell you the three conflicts that cause the kidney collecting tubules to store water and and basically I'll have this, uh, weight gain issue and this, of course, outside of eating and exercise and sleep and all that stuff. This is just like the deeper layer. Do you think that would be beneficial just for me to help people understand the three main conflicts that cause this?
Speaker 1I think so. Yeah, run down an example, matt, and maybe just to interject here real quick before you do that, so people fully understand. So when you're in the phase of having symptoms, that's the healing phase, correct?
Speaker 2It depends. So yes and no. So this is the thing. So, basically, you have a conflict and it would be so good. So is this a video podcast or is this just-?
Speaker 1It is a video podcast. Yeah, you can do some demos or share an image.
Speaker 2Okay, yeah, so that's the whole thing and, um, I told you the story psychic, brain and organ, all that stuff, so, um, so, just coming further down, as you can see, he mapped out all the brain, where the different rings are and you know where they, where the issues come from, and so this, these, these will help a lot. So the normal, uh, before you have like a conflict happen, you know you're in sympathetic and parasympathetic yin and yang, so you're going back and forth between those between waking and sleeping. Right During waking time, you're in more of like, like, you know, a natural stress state where you're just actively being a part of human life and you know the ups and downs of getting kids dressed for the morning to get them off the bus, off to the bus, like, like, like normal, wild stressors that just cause this normalness. Okay, however, when we have this, um, he calls it the derrick harm or syndrome, dhs, but it's really like this unexpected emotional distressing shock and it's detected by the psyche and it impacts the brain and the organs, uh, starts this like smart adaptation process and this, this is the conflict active phase. Okay, so it's basically you're in conflict activity all of the time, right, and this is the. You know they call it the stress phase or the cold phase.
Speaker 2So during this timeframe, you know, signs of conflict, active phase are like cold hands and cold feet, sleep disturbances, obsessing about the event, lack of appetite, nervous restlessness, frequent urination, sweaty, like. A lot of times people have, like you know, like night sweats and things like that. It's just all that type of stuff. But this is examples of this, okay, and then when you go into the healing phase, it can be kind of as crappy, to be honest with you. So that's where that's what confuses people and I'll explain it in a moment. Uh, how I was able to like pull these two apart. So the healing phase is relief at the level of the psyche. So we solve it at the level of the psyche and then the brain and the organs kind of follow suit Fever, warm hands and feet fatigued, increased sleep during the day. So what I found it was interesting because that one really like resonated with me, because a lot of times when people would do rapid transformation therapy, we'd resolve issues at the level of the psyche and then they would just be tired. You know, some of them would like sleep for a day, like because we just resolve something that had maybe been going on for them for decades, right? So like your symptoms and actually before I continue to share this like, if you think about your current symptoms that you're dealing with, there was a time at which you didn't have these symptoms in your life. There was a time, unless you were born with them, there was a time in which you weren't, you know, allergic to dairy, as an example. You know, like there was a time at which that wasn't an issue. So when did that become a problem? We need to go that far back to understand where it started. Where was the initial DHS? Where's the initial conflict? That happened Because it gets so muddied, because people will have similar conflicts and it will just create more and more and more and more, and so they go into the, they have these repeated conflict active phases, and actually I can kind of show you what that looks like.
Speaker 2So hanging conflict looks like this, right, but what also happens is so it never resolves, so it's like prolonged conflict activity. A perfect example of this is like if you get in a fight with someone and you just never forgive them and you hold on to that shit for the rest of your life, you're just like I hate them and blah, blah. Like that you're stuck in it. So like forgiveness can allow you to heal. So, like you know, like the saying, uh, it's like you're drinking poison hoping someone else will die. Like that's the conflict.
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Speaker 2The active phase is a great way to describe it. I've never described it that way, but it actually makes sense what I'm saying now. And then the healing phases. So the moment the conflict has been resolved at the level of psyche, the changes are at the organ are no longer required, right? So this is where tumor growth will be broken down and cell loss will be restored. But it doesn't mean it's all sunshine and roses. A lot of times it's headaches, migraines, bloating, all of this stuff, right, like diarrhea, you name it. Like it's basically going through this whole phase and there's a good. So that's the hanging healing part. But there's a good way to think about this. Let me go back up here.
Speaker 1And the hanging healing Matt is that. Where then there's still unresolved similar conflicts to that original conflict that are coming in and perpetuating the healing symptoms, is that right?
Speaker 2So the healing phase cannot be fully completed due to encountering regular conflict tracks and triggers. So you know how I said earlier where I was like your, your subconscious takes a snapshot of that. So if any of those tracks or triggers pops up a smell, a taste, a song right, let's say the song was your. I'm just going to use this example. Let's say your ex-husband or ex-wife, and you hear your wedding song on the radio. You could go back into symptoms at that point. That's how crazy this is. Like that's why people are like I have no clue what's wrong with me. And I don't, I don't, I don't know why this is happening. Right, I thought I had this under under control, even with all the eating, the exercise and all that stuff. Like it's because your mind is is pulling that back up.
Speaker 1It's like hey, is it because the original trigger still hasn't been completely resolved? Is that why?
Speaker 2bingo. So that's really what it is. So the unconscious mind takes a snapshot place, person and thing. Chronic and reoccurring conditions are example of this. So gmm gives a whole new perspective on allergies, why some allergies cause a running nose or digestion, for example. Right, so like that's kind of what happens. So it's like you start to heal, then you're triggered again. Then you start you're in conflict active, then you go into the healing phase. So you can never go into the full, like two healing phases in the epiloid crisis. But even during these, during the healing phases, there is deep moments of sympathetic activity to push remaining fluid off the brain to finish.
Speaker 2Healing so often occurs in parasympathetic state. It mimics being conflict active again. So restlessness, nausea, elevated blood pressure, rapid pulse, all those things, um. So it was interesting to me because when I started having my gut health issues, I approached it like you know, like Americans approach all of this stuff where you're like oh, I just want to drop a bomb in my gut and like make it all go away, type of thing, which is not appropriate and it leads to massive like hair X reactions and things like that. So, like when you have candida, I thought candida and H pylori were the problem. They were actually trying to help the healing. Let me explain. This is what changed everything, for me yeah.
Speaker 2So my my mentor, Jake, said it like this. He was like imagine you're an alien and you're in a spaceship and you're flying up above the planet and you're at. You know you're right, you're right about ready to leave. Like you know the atmosphere and you look down on the planet and you see, whenever you see a fire at on the planet, you also see these trucks, these red trucks that are at these fires. And you're you. So you're like, as an alien, you're like, ah, these red trucks must be causing the fire, it must be causing these fires. So we got to attack these red trucks so they don't hurt. You know they stop causing these fires. So we got to attack these red trucks so they don't hurt. You know they stop causing these fires. That's the best way to think of candida, right? Candida is like it's basically just trying to help you.
Speaker 1Heal is what it is. They're like buffer organisms I explain this all the time in my mentoring sessions with other practitioners like, even just physiologically, like heavy metals can live in them, right, like parasites can live in them, and so they're protecting the body from those more toxic elements, even though in and of themselves they're not great right, but there's a protective role there.
Speaker 2Exactly and depending on the part of your brain. So, if it was the cerebral cortex or the cerebral medulla, if that's where the you know, the conflict active phase happened during the conflict active part of it, there's cell loss and then, during the healing phase, there's tissue restoration with bacteria. But if it's in the cerebellum or the brainstem during conflict active phase, you're going to have cell proliferation and then you're, when you're healing, you're going to have cell removal, fungal or bacteria growth, overgrowth, right. So, like think yeast infection. You're like, why the hell did that happen? Right, you're actually healing. And what? What does everybody do when that happens? Oh, let's take some antibiotics. Like it's just wild, right, so you're actually stopping the healing from happening because you don't realize you're healing. This is where it gets really tricky and you know, once again, take this for what you want, folks. And it's changed my life forever. I have not taken an antibiotic personally since 2014.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, well, and I think kind of what you're getting at too, matt, and this is just so key is that in my world, for example, I use a functional stool test, I like to use the GI map and it's great test. But I will tell you if I'm working with a person and I've run that test two, three times and we're not seeing microbial eradication after we've run a protocol. This is where we need to go next. Like the answer is not to keep banging that same pathogen over and over and over again, and I think this is where you can use all the tools, but you have to have wisdom in the process and really take into account, like maybe the physical body isn't ready to get rid of these bugs because there's a role they're playing right now, and going up to the level of the psyche is where we have to go next, right, Totally, and this is another part of it that everybody needs to hear.
Speaker 2So in my study of this, I learned if, for some issues, if you resolve the conflict too quickly, it can actually be extremely detrimental. So, for example, like anytime I work with a client, I ask them do you have heart issues? Because if you have a heart issue and you resolve a conflict too quickly, it can actually cause an attack. So that's how wild this gets, okay, um, I also and this was before I understood German new medicine and before I understood all of this stuff I had a client, um, and we did, we did rapid transformation therapy. We resolved a very big conflict and within three months, she had such gallbladder issues she ended up having it removed, had such gallbladder issues, she ended up having it removed.
Speaker 2Um, and I really feel like there's a, there's a chance that those were connected, like because it's like when you resolve this stuff, I now know how to do it in a very different way, like now now knowing what I know, but it's like you do need to be understanding of this.
Speaker 2And then there's the other side of this where I could literally like I'll share some of these questions with your listeners right now where they could hear some of these questions and it could resolve some of this and they could lose weight today. So, like that's how wild this gets gets, because, uh, knowing, like truly knowing and accepting this at a subconscious level can just start the process of healing. Yeah, it's like wow, just listening to this podcast, just hearing this stuff, like, and I guess that's all I really love and I'm so excited to come on today because I was like courtney and I could transform one person's life today that just like listens to this and like, like they're just like oh my God, this is what I've been looking for, you know, like that's what this is all about, and they never even have to work with this, but they just hear this and like it just resolves it.
Speaker 2How cool is that.
Speaker 1Like that's what the, that's the power here, folks.
Speaker 1So yeah, we're gonna have to do a part two, Matt, because I know we're running up on time. But I do want you to like share your information for sure before we close out. But I just want to ask you one question real quick, just because it's top of mind. I think other people might be thinking. This too is when you do hypnosis, do you find that certain people can't remember these original triggers, or do you feel like, with enough openness and guidance from you, most people can get there and kind of connect those dots?
Speaker 2Oh, are you saying like most people after or during the session, some?
Speaker 1of them can't get to the. Oh, we're talking about regression.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah I have worked, like I said, I've done over 500 sessions, um, there's only been two people ever in all of those sessions that I um that were interesting. So let me explain the two people. One of them after the like mid session I realized, or even after she had explained to me, she had a brain injury and I didn't know that. So she had brain damage and therefore I mean nothing. We did worked, so I just gave her money back and she went on her way, Right Um. So there's that, right Um.
Speaker 2Then the other woman, other woman, she had a fear of closing her eyes. So that was an interesting one. However, even with that one, it wasn't like an all for loss situation. We were able to do a lot of so. I've also trained in conversational hypnosis and stuff like that and neurolinguistic programming, so we were able to do a bunch without it to get to the deeper layers. But most people and I mean I'm talking like 95% of the people that I've worked with or more we always get to places and they're like I never, ever, I didn't. They either say ever, ever, I didn't.
Speaker 2They either say I forgot about that, I didn't know that that happened, or they're like I didn't link that with that, so part of my yeah, part of my job is to take these three to four scenes that we, that, we that come up and you're not reliving these scenes, very important. I'm going to say three times you're not reliving this, you're not reliving this, you're not relieving this. It's like you and I go to the movie theater together and we're at like the, we're watching the previews and I'm like, oh, I gotta go to the snack shack and just like, tell me what you know. Like we'll talk via walkie talkies. You tell me what you're seeing on the screen and I'll ask you questions about it. That's kind kind of what regression is like. It's like you're just telling me what's going on and I'm asking you questions about what's going on and how you feel about it, because it's not so much what happened, it's like your perception of what happened, your feelings and your emotions.
Speaker 2Feeling is the language of the subconscious, so it's everything, everything, and so, if you have a feeling, your feelings are creating your. You know, your thoughts are creating your feelings and your feelings are creating your thoughts and it's just this whole jumble that's. That's yeah, it's a cycle, right, and so that's why you know when people are trying to have, uh, these types of transformations, like they just don't know any of this stuff, and so I hope if if nothing else, I hope you, you all this gave you a perception shift, even here and now that there's hope, folks, that's the biggest thing. Like there's always, always, always something you can do, always, there's always another layer. I've been doing this for two decades and there's I find a new layer every day and a different way to help people understand it. So that's the deal.
Speaker 1Awesome, matt. We're definitely going to have to do a part two, because I feel like there's probably so much more you could say on the medicine, but I know in the interest of time. That was great answer to my question, so thank you. I appreciate, because I'm sure some people were thinking like gosh, could this work for me Right? So just before we close, or can we close out with you sharing how people can get a hold of you, because I'm sure some people are super interested now in reaching out?
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I would always say number one, connect with Courtney first. Okay, like, if you're, if you're, uh, I'm very adamant about this because, um, it does go to it's, it's a, it's the yin and the yang, like with with what you do and what. But it's like a conjunction thing, right, cause I could, I could help you solve this thing at a deeper layer, but you're still living in a third dimension world here on earth, still living in a third dimension world here on earth and and, like, you do need the like, the all of the other pieces of the puzzle, right, this will just support what you currently do and, with that being said, so, connected, corny, she can, of course, connect you with me, but if you want, uh to, you know, connect with me personally, uh, my company's called the potential, you, the potential dash, the letter U, um, I help people in three main areas mind, body and business. So I work with a lot of entrepreneurs and, um, help them go to the deeper levels. So I have found that the subconscious helps on so many levels, not just health, but it's all interconnected.
Speaker 2So, at the Potential U, on Instagram, on YouTube, you can connect with Matt. You just send me a message on Facebook Matt Travis it's the one that looks like me. And then LinkedIn as well Coach Matt Travis. So there is a lot of Matt Travis's. That's why I said the one that looks like me. You'd be surprised. There's like literally, I'm part of a group, matt Travis's of the world unite, and there's like 50 of us in there. It's nuts.
Speaker 1Oh, that's too funny. But yeah, and I'll get the links and put them in the show notes so people can click on them. This has been such an awesome conversation.
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Speaker 2And definitely we're going to have to do a part two, because I think it's just such a big topic to try to unpack it is it is.
Speaker 1I tried, but it's such a mammoth, Both of them like hypnotherapy.
Speaker 2Mixed with it together, it's just a lot. It's a lot, but I hope to help give people a starting point today.
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