Corporate Girls Just Want to Have Fun!

Helllooo Nosedivers - in this episode, we explore the pressures of corporate culture, particularly around unhealthy behaviors in the workplace and social dynamics. We share our personal experiences transitioning from college to the corporate world, discussing the challenges of fitting into a 'popularity contest' and the unhealthy coping mechanisms we adopted along the way. We are such advocates for the importance of authenticity and empowerment in the workplace, aiming to normalize a more inclusive environment. We also share our vision for Nosedive Co., our wellness and lifestyle brand bringing you workshops and wellness challenges to foster healthier corporate cultures.

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Transcript

Mara DeMauro (00:03)
Hello, hello, welcome back to Nosedive. Hey, Ne, how's it going?

Renee (00:09)
Hi, I'm doing good. Just saying how I'm always so happy to see you gets me in such a like, mm-hmm, mood.

Mara DeMauro (00:16)
I know, I

know. It's just really nice connecting with people who see you, hear you, know you. And so that's, it's always just like, ⁓ yay, cool, my feats. ⁓ I'm excited to chat today ⁓ because this is a topic that has come up, you know, it's kind of always, it's always been a topic of conversation.

Renee (00:26)
Absolutely.

Mara DeMauro (00:45)
but it's come up more and more working with clients. And this topic is something that I think everyone can relate to, or at least a lot of people can relate to, because it's really honing in on how there's so much kind of pressure in the business sector or corporate sector to kind of like...

fit into a certain type of mold, especially when it comes to socially. you know, obviously alcohol being a huge factor played into that. You know, it's kind of how you fit in with your employers and your colleagues and ⁓ kind of gives you this, I don't know, this feeling of like, like I'm being like kind of like classy and smart and like on it, you know, and anyway.

I know we're going to dive into this. We're going to share a little bit about our own stories from after we graduated and then from college and then going, that transition from college to working a job and just kind of like how, at least for me, I was just like doing quote unquote what I thought I was supposed to be doing. Just because like that's what everyone else was doing. ⁓ going a little bit more into how we can navigate and shift

and really make the decisions we want to make while still being in a corporate setting and being able to have more alternatives and more options for people to feel more included and how we are starting to really work with companies in that way and helping those companies become more inclusive.

Renee (02:29)
Yeah, I totally agree with you just about the topic in general because I am still in the corporate space and I know that you and both of us have worked with a lot of clients that are still in this realm. And the more and more that I dive into my own sober curiosity and sober-ishness and really getting clear, the more I notice so many things at work.

that I just don't agree with or I'm just like, wow, we really put a lot of emphasis on not necessarily alcohol, but just this like popularity contest. And if you're not a part of that group, then you're out. And when I say out, not only socially, but I mean for promotions, I mean for talking with certain people, connecting with certain people.

And just the unfair nature of that and wanting to really build this sort of conversation about being more inclusive, this is what gets us so stoked because not only have we been in this corporate sector and understand from that point of view, but we want to do something about it. So yeah, it's exciting. But so for you,

Mara DeMauro (03:48)
Right.

Renee (03:52)
what did it look like? Because obviously, so we, you know, we both did the college thing. We both did the master's thing. We, that's how we met. And yeah, maybe just give a little bit about your story and what that looks like and your corporate journey, because you're no longer in corporate. I'm so jealous.

Mara DeMauro (04:12)
So, yeah, I think what you said is really interesting about kind of like the popularity contest. It's almost as if like you revert back to middle school and high school and you bring in this like, you know, like this is like the popular cool kid type of vibe over here. And yeah, that was always a really big struggle for me. The first job I had out of grad school.

⁓ man, I just, it was in higher education and school here in South Carolina. And I just did, I just, could not, like my soul was, everything in my body was like, no, no, no. And that was kind of like the start of me realizing

Renee (04:59)
Everything in your body was like, no, no, no.

Mara DeMauro (05:10)
truly realizing that I really struggle to be in places that are just kind of like, we do things this way just because this is how we've done them and we're going to keep doing them like this and, ⁓ you know, just kind of stay in your lane, you know, and that was really challenging. ⁓ It like hurt my soul, you know. ⁓

And so whatever, you know, I then started another, I started a dog walking business and did that for a little bit. And then I went into tech and that's where I was like, whoa, like this is like college high school, like a whole thing, you know, we're going to make it look like a super cool inside and like you get to come to work and you could be here all day because we have.

cold brew on tap and we have beers in the fridge and we have all this stuff that makes whatever.

Renee (06:15)
makes you want to stay there longer

than being at home, which I had no idea that that was a tactic. Keeping snacks and stuff stocked. It's like, this is so nice, but it's like, no, they just want to keep you there longer.

Mara DeMauro (06:19)
Right.

Right.

Exactly.

And like, as we know, that doesn't actually work. Like people, it's not like the stuff that people want. People want the freedom and flexibility and the trust and the true connection and the ability to show up in a space.

authentically without having to put on our little corporate mask every day and okay, I'm here with my cold brew on top. No, don't give a shit. Keep your fucking cold brew. Keep your snacks. Like let's just be real in person and not have these little clicks within our corporate settings because it's bullshit. Like, so, you know, I did that for a little while and anyway, and then I eventually started, you know, my coaching business. ⁓ but I'm excited to, you know, that's evolving.

Renee (06:55)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (07:15)
⁓ and it's just been really interesting working with clients, hearing more and more their stories of how they're like, Hey, like I'm trying to be more mindful about how much I'm, you know, how much alcohol I'm consuming, but I feel like really nervous about this, you know? And, I, you know, I think it's just like a big educational piece where we're all starting to notice, you know, I don't feel like, corporations are necessarily bad and they are just giving us alcohol to, you know, whatever.

⁓ I think they also thought like, this is like what people want, so we'll give them that. And I think to a certain degree, it is what people want. And I think that's okay. But what we are expressing ⁓ for change and that for more options, more variety, more inclusivity, and just to kind of like loosen it up a little bit. Like let's let people just be.

Renee (07:51)
Right.

Mara DeMauro (08:12)
comfortable at work because they feel confident in their bodies without having to be fucking trashed at work and then trying to wake up the next day and trying to like be on their game and focus when you know y'all can't do that.

Renee (08:25)
It's such a contradiction because we advocate for being productive, being on top of it, being sharp, being able to make these negotiations and make these big time deals just depending on, of course, what you do for your job. When in reality, the behaviors that we are also promoting in that same setting are doing the exact opposite of that.

So the fact that they are trying to be like, yeah, we have beer here. we do a happy hours. we do that. It's like, that's actually in a way doing the exact opposite of what I feel like we should be doing for our jobs. And I think it's funny too, because I am such a, you've almost like.

Mara DeMauro (09:10)
Yeah.

Renee (09:20)
or at least through this sober curious journey for me personally, I'm almost like a converted person, I guess, or like a converted corporate girly because I had that rigidity. So I had all that rigidity in so many different aspects of my life. And so I'm like, okay, at corporate, I do need to act a certain way. And it's not about being disrespectful and it's not about hearing other people out and liking everybody. That's not what we're saying.

Mara DeMauro (09:37)
Mm-hmm.

Renee (09:50)
But I definitely am still working through becoming more of myself and being okay with that in a corporate setting. Because for the longest time growing up, even from a very young age, I was made sure to mind my manners, mind my elders, basically kind of sit down and shut up and fall in line and that will equal success and happiness.

Mara DeMauro (10:18)
Jesus.

Renee (10:18)
And so I feel like our entire, at least for millennials, feel duped. Because we did all of that. We went to college. We did all the extracurriculars. We did all of the sports and everything that this societal checklist of, okay, I did this. I got the house. I did the that. And

Mara DeMauro (10:23)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Renee (10:45)
Okay, so why am I still feeling this way? Like, why am I still feeling that I am pushing against this authority that is supposed to be helping me and is supposed to like, okay, well, I'm at this certain salary. Like, why do I have this pit in my stomach every night before having to go to work?

Mara DeMauro (11:06)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right.

Renee (11:09)
Like what's that about? So

yeah, I'm just like, I'm such a good specimen for that because I'm still working through being my total or like a more fun side, a more authentic side of myself in the corporate setting. Cause I feel like I can't do that a hundred percent. Cause if I do, I will have the repercussions of that.

Mara DeMauro (11:36)
Sorry, hold on. ⁓ Yeah, yeah, let me just, I'm gonna get Keenie to come into my room. Keenie.

Renee (11:38)
Yeah, here we can pause or just keep talking. Yeah.

Okay.

Mara DeMauro (12:12)
Sorry, do you have a timestamp on that? Okay. Cool.

Renee (12:14)
Yeah, I do. Yeah, we're good.

Mara DeMauro (12:19)
So. ⁓

Yes, I.

Renee (12:23)
Yeah, and mine got worse. I think it's specifically with drinking, my drinking got worse as I moved through each of those stages. So going through college, going through masters, coming into my adulthood, my drinking did increase significantly because I think there was just such a misalignment and such confusion around

why I wasn't being or like internally, why I wasn't feeling the way that society made it seem like you would be at this point in your life. So the more I drank, the more I numbed all that stuff out. And I feel like in a way that's kind of what some corporations sort of want. They don't really

want you to be individualized. They don't want you to have, or they say they do, and then you try and push back and you're met with this wall of, yeah, we hear you. Yeah, that's a great idea. yeah, sure. And then there's no action behind it.

Mara DeMauro (13:24)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I know. It feels very disheartening. And also, yeah, like you were saying, how time went on. It just shows like the level of coping, like the skills, you know, like that's, we've talked about this probably in every episode, you know, like that's just the way we learned how to cope with.

When, when, when we're feeling like, yeah, we're turning against ourselves, our intuition, like this pit in our stomach. And it's like, well, no, we were taught just to just keep doing it. And that feels really uncomfortable. So you're going to turn to the thing that allows you to silence that. And that's. Yeah. you know, and I think I really liked the idea of, of working and helping.

Renee (14:18)
Yeah, yeah, with substances. Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (14:32)
corporate companies and businesses help their employees become more empowered in the workplace because I feel like it is very transferable because if you can show up in a workplace where you're working amongst so many different kinds of people and you have quote unquote authority figures that you're able to just show up as who you are. And again, I just keep coming back to like.

It's so empowering. I think sometimes we forget how, um, how like potent that is and like how that kind of like shocks people because we pick up on those subtleties. We know when people are just being like genuine people and when people are kind of like wearing the costume. And I think a lot of times. In fact, that, that like, um,

the pure genuine person that's showing up like that, whatever, bringing up influencers or social media, but it's like, look who you like to watch. You like to watch people when they're being real. People want real, and the more and more we can help people feel more real, that's going to help so much. That's gonna help these companies.

Renee (15:34)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (15:58)
you know, the employee retention, you know, first off, you know, so the success of the company and that that just like trickles on to like a better freaking world, a better society, a better community, you know, more enjoyable, like, is that what we want?

Renee (16:01)
Mm.

Right. Well, and just the creativity, the ideas and talking about leadership, especially in the corporate space, there are definitely a lot of opportunities that push leadership. They need people in these positions to lead other people. And if you can be your 100 % authentic self and do that with a sense of

clarity that brings the sense of confidence to the exact point of what you're saying, that is what creates leaders because you are pushing past all of the fear and the risk and because you're so clear minded, like you get into this space where you push through all of those subconscious beliefs and the limiting beliefs that you put on yourself and why not?

bring your entire team up to that level. Like, could you imagine if your entire team, whether you are in a leadership position now, or that's something that you aspire to do, if you guys were all on that same level, kind of hyping each other up and being able to get in a room and confidently be yourself and speak up, even when you are scared, it builds upon not only each other,

but your internal muscle to like do something big. Why wouldn't you want to do something like that? Like building a community like that and not everybody wants to quit their job and be an entrepreneur. Some people really do love what they do in the spaces, but I feel like sometimes there are these stone walls of ancient foundations around what a

Mara DeMauro (17:48)
Yeah.

Hehe.

Renee (18:10)
corporation should look like and what building and moving up the ladder looks like. And I know it's a lot easier said than done, but this is why I feel like we have seen this sort of gap in higher education, in the corporate space, in these areas that we've all been told we need to build upon to be able to be successful.

So why not kind of mold it and make it into something different and have a little more fun.

Mara DeMauro (18:43)
Yeah.

Yeah, a hundred percent. I think that was really, yeah, just beautifully said. And I don't know why this just like pops into my head, but I'm thinking back to, ⁓ a conference that we went to in grad school and by we, mean, ⁓ a group of people, and it was a wellness conference.

And, I just remember how, like, it was so centered around, we have all these like, you know, come to this expo and we're going to talk about like nutrition and that, but every night, like we're going out, we're getting drinks, all of the quote unquote leaders, know, the represented, they're taking their wedding rings off. They're have so many, all these bottles of champagne and this and that in their room party in my room party. And, and it's just like hitting me right now. Actually. I'm like,

Like that's so interesting. This was a wellness conference. And now I'm even thinking like, my gosh, like how things have shifted where I'm curious. Like this might be a potential opportunity for us to reach out to this organization and see if they do anything or if they have done anything around this topic. Because yeah, it's higher ed. There's loads of students there and

Renee (19:45)
Ha

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (20:13)
You know, like higher ed faculty ⁓ or staff. forget which one's which. ⁓ Faculty or like the instructors. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So staff who are leaders, you know, for the student employment. And I'm just like, holy cow. ⁓ You know what? And it's just because like, that's how.

Renee (20:20)
Yeah, think, there's two, yeah, faculty, there's faculty and faculty are teachers. Yes. And then staff is just more of like the administrative.

Mara DeMauro (20:43)
We've always thought this is how you have fun. This is how you connect. Like we're gonna, we're gonna go to our fitness classes in the morning and then we're gonna freaking party. And it's like, cool. If you want to do that, sure. Like also, but there, there should be more spaces for people to still have fun and celebrate and have a good drink without it having, you know, them having to put toxins in their body, quite frankly, to make them feel like shit, you know, like, come on, like let's, let's get on.

Renee (21:07)
Yeah, right.

Yeah, let's elevate this a little bit. And it's this huge misconception that it's luxurious and this is how you network. This is how you get to know people. And I think there is that facade that people are scared. People are scared to do that on their own because they don't wanna come off weird.

They might be awkward. They might be introverted. There's this huge long list of things that kind of give people the excuse to want to quote unquote unwind, to get themselves to that level to where they feel comfortable enough to be in these situations at these conferences, in the boardrooms, when you're about to give speeches, whatever the case is, pushing through that fear and doing yourself kind of a disservice to

numb yourself out to that point to where you feel like you have to feel nothing in order to connect with other people.

Mara DeMauro (22:13)
Yeah,

yeah, totally. It's so interesting. ⁓ What, because I know you've had like more recently some interesting scenarios, you know, with your coworkers about be like, yo, yo, yo, like.

Renee (22:16)
Yeah.

Oh my gosh, yeah, so this is so funny. This was actually a few weeks ago or maybe even last week, but I had a coworker of mine who came up to me and was like, hey, you know, we finally linked up on LinkedIn. I saw what you were doing outside of work and I listened to one of your podcast episodes. What is that all about? And I was one a little taken aback because no one

from work outside of my team, because I actually have really, really good, like I'm lucky, I have really good friends that are on my team. So this person who was a coworker is not on my team. So to have someone sort of a little random come to me and talk to me about how they've listened to kind of what we're doing and what we share and our sober curiosity, I was one taken off guard a little bit and I was a little nervous. I was a little nervous to be like,

Mara DeMauro (23:09)
Mm-hmm.

Renee (23:32)
yeah, you know, and I pushed through that nervousness and told him with complete confidence, like, yes, this is what I'm doing. This is the whole reason why we're doing it. This is the sober curious. It's changed my life in so many different ways. And I probably gave him too much information at the end of it. He's probably just like, okay, cool. Sounds good. You know, but yeah, it was such a

I don't even know how to explain that experience. I think it was scary, but also very empowering because I finally felt like I could open up that door and didn't care if I was judged. It didn't really matter to me because this is my lifestyle. This is who I am.

Mara DeMauro (24:07)
Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Renee (24:30)
And I fully embrace that. And to be able to talk to somebody else about that was really exciting, whether or not it went anywhere or did anything for him or whatever the case was. So.

Mara DeMauro (24:45)
Yeah.

I mean, I think we have talked about and we know how powerful like planting seeds are. And I feel like that's a lot of, I just feel like when there's passion behind something.

There, something comes from it. Like, you know, not saying what specifically, but it's, it's a shared energy. Like you're just like, wow, I can feel that. And there's something there. So it sparks curiosity, you know, for someone else and for him to bring it up in the first place, he was intrigued. And so.

this is really all about is just exploring life with more curiosity, ⁓ more courage, ⁓ clarity, and authenticity. I feel like that word sometimes kind of gets a little eye-rolly, like, authentic, but it's like, be authentic. Whatever.

Renee (25:43)
Yeah.

Yeah, but there's a reason why

it's being talked about so much. And yeah, that's one of our foundations is to be curious and have the courage to ask the questions and be involved in the conversation because you never know where conversations are going to lead to or what

one small conversation could lead to not only for yourself, but what you're doing for your community and in your workplace. ⁓ know, take that leap and be okay with having the conversation. There was another time where, and this was probably the beginning of this year, and this was before I had ever done any kind of wellness challenge at all. It was my first one that I was running. And I went on a work trip and this girl that

went with me, she's a coworker and actually has become another really good friend. ⁓ We were walking to, it was like an intern co-op, like interview type of situation for our company. And we were walking to the location and we were talking about wellness stuff and different books and different things that we were doing and what we were getting into and our different routines. And I was so.

service to even mention my challenge that I was doing. And I pushed past that and I was like, you know what? I'm just going to blurt it out, even if it's like, doesn't even matter. Yeah. And I, I mentioned it to her kind of what I did as my business with my business. know, broke it down for her. Why we were doing the challenges are February's low and slow challenge. And

Mara DeMauro (27:13)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

⁓

Renee (27:42)
She, no shit, was so excited about it, signed up that day for it. And I was like, ⁓ my God, like that's so cool. You know it, like it, you just never know how it's gonna work out. And if you go into these situations, and I understand the nervousness, I still get super scared when I public speak. I still get super scared when I have conversations and I tend to ramble. ⁓

Mara DeMauro (27:48)
Hmm.

You're like,

Renee (28:12)
a rambler. But I did it anyways and you just sometimes it works out even better than you could even expect. So give it a go.

Mara DeMauro (28:23)
Yeah. Yeah.

Give it a go. And yeah, on that note, think, ⁓ it would be fun to kind of just talk about like what, what our vision is for Nose Dive Co. And, you know, how we want to help, ⁓ you know, businesses and organizations and higher ed, ⁓

Renee (28:29)
Ha

Mara DeMauro (28:48)
What would that even fall in? Higher ed businesses? don't know. yeah, higher education. ⁓ cause I know we have, we have like about, I think it's like, it's broken down into four, offerings, ⁓ or, know, whatever. So yeah, just kind of digging into that, like, what do you feel most excited about for what?

Renee (28:52)
Higher education? Yeah.

Yes.

Mara DeMauro (29:17)
our offerings are going to be.

Renee (29:19)
Yeah. we, as Mar said, you know, we break it down into kind of four different areas with workshops, wellness challenges, keynote speaking. What was the last one?

Mara DeMauro (29:31)
we have a self-guided course.

Renee (29:33)
self, my gosh, how could I forget? Something that we spent so much time on.

Mara DeMauro (29:36)
And of course that's, yeah, yeah, that's like for, you know, for

anyone, you don't have to be at a certain organization or, you know, company or higher ed, you know, it's open to anyone. So that's kind of why.

Renee (29:46)
Yes, yeah.

Yeah, I'm super, super eager for workshops because one, it is something that I like to work through as well, like with my public speaking fear, individually. But yeah, just getting on site with people, getting into the space, trying to understand where people are and kind of where they want to go.

I think we have so much to offer in terms of just strategy and different tools and mindset frameworks and blueprints that we can go through. But also I think it's really exciting just to see what types of levels we can get all these different teams up to. And then of course there is the side of yes, productivity is going to increase, retention is going to increase. ⁓ I think there's also like a financial side of things too, like

when you're out on those work trips and you only get a two drink minimum, it's like, okay, what if that's zero? Or what if there's so many different scenarios where you are saving money on work comp? Like there's just so many different avenues that I think there are benefits. But yeah, I'm excited for the workshops because getting to know people, getting to know their stories and then offering some of the help to elevate everyone, I think is what I'm excited about. What about you?

Mara DeMauro (30:49)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I agree. There are so many layers and, ⁓ I, you know, we are obviously talking about leadership earlier and that's something that's always been really important, I think to both of us, you know, as being a coach and, ⁓ like, you know, athletic coach and, know, everything like that to having a master's degree and, know, professional communication and leadership. ⁓ it's because we all know.

Leadership is what makes the difference in a job being, you know, enjoyable or not. And we've all have worked for someone who is not great, you know, doesn't necessarily have those skills, ⁓ to really help facilitate growth within a workplace. And it's, it's really challenging. so I feel very passionate about, you know, helping organizations create more.

well-rounded, compassionate, ⁓ loving and strong leaders. And so I feel excited about workshops. And then I also feel excited about challenges, know, the wellness challenges, offering those for companies because look, you know, how much, how much can they do? You know, they're, are employers, they're doing a lot, you know, there's, they got a lot on their hands, you know? And so hiring people from the outside who,

Renee (32:33)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (32:42)
You know, we're trained in this and can come in and have the lived experience to be like, Hey, you guys have X amount of employees who are very health conscious. It's like, let's help. We can help them up their game and feel more healthy and better. And so we're going to run a soberish 31 day challenge or whatever that looks like. And being able to tailor that a little bit to everyone, you know, company's needs and stuff, I think will be very cool. ⁓ And of course I, I.

love being on stage. So public speaking, ⁓ it is pretty, it is pretty scary for sure. But I like performing. And so that's kind of an opportunity to like

Renee (33:18)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (33:25)
rock it out and talk about these things that ⁓ some people feel a little scared to talk about and just like ripping the band and be like, let's get funky and weird and talk about this shit because we're all thinking it.

Renee (33:36)
Yes, I know. I love like, it's kind of funny. It's been something that I seem to enjoy more and more is the awkwardness because and maybe it's not even enjoyment. Maybe it's just because it's like, I know that I'm growing when I go through these situations of awkwardness. Like, like, oh, yep, here it is. Like, this is going to be awkward as hell. But let's fucking go, baby. Like I

Mara DeMauro (33:57)
Hmm. Hmm.

Here it

is.

Renee (34:06)
Like, it's going to be better and like the more and more that I network with people and get on calls with people and, you know, kind of work through that or like that interaction with a coworker. Like it was kind of awkward. But at the end of the day, like I felt so good afterwards. So, yeah, getting a little funky and getting a little weird and and ripping that bandaid off to talk about the topics that we are all thinking of, but nobody wants to bring up. ⁓

And I think too, like I'm super excited to work with student athletes again, ⁓ just because there are so much on this side of it, not only as being a former student athlete at a division one level, but growing up playing sports, also coaching sports, but also coaching people through lifestyle changes, just having this perspective on this side of things and how we can help each other just be healthier, be more conscious.

Mara DeMauro (34:41)
Hmm.

Renee (35:03)
be more inclusive to not only grow individually, but grow your team, both corporate and on the sports side of things. So I'm super excited to start working with student athletes again.

Mara DeMauro (35:16)
Yeah, yeah, it's such a special demographic for sure. Very, you know, driven. in that, which I find is so, which is really cool, is that, you know, we bring like some fluidity and, you know, to like disrupt that rigidity in a way that is beneficial, you know? So, I don't know, I think it could be really cool. And then,

Renee (35:36)
Yes.

Mara DeMauro (35:45)
Of course, our, our self-paced course that we have, we've ran that with multiple clients, like one-on-one or in group settings and different challenges. But, you know, we wanted to make this more accessible, you know, so that is at an extremely discounted, affordable price, ⁓ that anyone who's like, huh, I'm like, you know, I really want to like try this sober curious thing out. Well,

We have literally a program broken down everything we did, so many resources that you can dive into and we're along the ride with you. know, we have videos in there, we're there coaching you at self-paced and I'm really happy that's just like, you know, open now for anyone who wants to grab it.

Renee (36:33)
Yeah, yeah, that one is a big one for us. We spent and poured so much time and effort and love into these modules. And I can tell you firsthand, I used this framework when I was very new in my Sober Curious journey. I went through it step by step and on this side of things and I have taken so much away from it. And I think the other really cool aspect of this is that not only is it self paced,

but you can come back to it at any time. So if you go through it one time, you're like, yes, I'm on cloud nine, I feel amazing. And then a year later, like, oh man, I need to kind of like readjust, recalibrate. You can always come back to it and go through it. And each time you're gonna get something a little bit different because you're gonna be in a different area in your journey.

Mara DeMauro (37:26)
Exactly. ⁓ sorry, I have a little, we have a visitor on the show today, ⁓ who was just really anxious cause it's raining over here. And, ⁓ yeah, he's just wants to make an appearance. So, ⁓ yeah, he's our mascot. Anyway. ⁓ is there anything else that you want to touch on about this topic or do you feel kind of like good about it so far?

Renee (37:40)
He's our mascot, one of them. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel good about it. Yeah, I I think I'm super excited about it. And I think too, if it's kind of funny, because we're we're going through our own sort of pivot, you know, a few episodes prior, I can't remember which episode it is, but we talk about pivoting, and we're kind of living that right now. So I think that's kind of fun to make that correlation. So you're along the journey with us in it. So yeah, I'm excited.

Mara DeMauro (38:13)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Yeah, we are

in it. We don't have everything figured out. You know, we are on this journey with you all, keeping it real. And we appreciate you being here as always. Please, you know, let us know how you're doing. Send us things, you know, requests for us to talk about. We do have a new email address, correct?

Renee (38:46)
Yes, we do. It's info at Nosedive-co.com. So if you have any topics, any topics, any questions, send that our way and more exciting news to come. Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (38:52)
Ayyyy

Sweet. Now, where can

people find you? know you had some like discount links or code or.

Renee (39:06)
Yeah,

absolutely. Yeah, thanks for that. So I just wanted to share ⁓ pink seven dot com. It's a brand that I actually really love. So until we get to our point where we have our own merch at Nose Dive Co. ⁓ This is an affiliate that I really hold dear to not only my journey, just to my heart in general, because they are a wellness brand focused on natural happiness. So

alcohol-free, doing things that bring on natural dopamine without the use of substances. So their whole message and their whole vibe is just something I totally click with. And 7 % of all of their profits actually are pledged to mental and addiction help. So I think that's something that I just really love. I'm actually wearing their hat right now. It's Hungover Club with the hungover.

Slashed out. So just just love their merch and it's super comfortable ⁓ There's a 20 % off code with coach underscore Radams and that is at pink seven.com. So go and check them out. I really like them

Mara DeMauro (40:18)
Awesome.

Renee (40:19)
Yeah. And where can they find you, Mara?

Mara DeMauro (40:21)
On the gram at Mara de Morrow. And we also have an Instagram for Nosedive now it's at Nosedive co baby.

Renee (40:30)
Yes, and on TikTok. my God. We started a TikTok at no time co. I feel like such a grandma. Cause I'm like Mara, how do I upload stuff to TikTok?

Mara DeMauro (40:45)
Here we are, we're trying to figure it out, like I said. my gosh.

Renee (40:46)
Ugh.

⁓ shit, so follow us on the TikToks at NoZiveCo and you can also follow me on Instagram at coach underscore r Adams. Till next time y'all. Bye.

Mara DeMauro (40:53)
TikToks.

Awesome. Till next time. Cheers. Bye.