Why We Numb: Eating Disorders, Self-Compassion & Recovery with Haley Schiek

⚠️ Trigger Warning: This episode contains discussions around eating disorders, anorexia, bulimia, binge eating, body image, trauma, PTSD, substance use, mental health challenges, and emotional abuse. Please listen with care.

Haley Schiek joins Nosedive to explore what it really means to numb less and live more. Drawing from both her professional expertise and personal recovery journey, Haley shares her experience overcoming anorexia, binge eating, bulimia, trauma, and the patterns of self-protection that often keep us stuck in cycles of shame, perfectionism, and disconnection.

Together, we dive into the connection between eating disorders, substance use, nervous system regulation, self-trust, and healing. Haley offers a compassionate perspective on why we reach for numbing behaviors, how to build a healthier relationship with ourselves, and what it looks like to move from surviving to truly thriving.

This is a powerful reminder that healing is about curiosity, self-compassion, and learning how to come home to yourself.

In This Episode, You'll Discover:

🧡 The connection between eating disorders, trauma, and numbing behaviors
🧡 Why shame keeps us stuck and self-compassion helps us heal
🧡 How perfectionism and control can fuel disordered patterns
🧡 Why self-trust is essential for lasting behavior change
🧡 The importance of values-based living over rigid rules
🧡 Practical tools for moving through difficult emotions without numbing
🧡 What it means to build a life that feels safe, authentic, and fully your own
🧡 Why healing is less about fixing yourself and more about reconnecting with who you've always been

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✨Haley's Youtube: www.youtube.com/@CosanaCoaching

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Transcript

Renée Adams (00:02.516)
What's up guys. Welcome back to another episode of Nose Dive. I'm so pleased today because we are welcoming Haley Sheik to Nose Dive today. Having overcome anorexia, binge eating and bulimia, Haley integrates her professional training with lived experience and eating disorder recovery to really empower her clients to move beyond self-hate, reclaim their health and achieve tangible mental health goals. She helps clients break free from diet culture,

fear around food, and the exhausting cycle of control and restriction. Her work is centered on restoring hope, agency, and instilling a values-led relationship with both food and self. She uses modalities like IFS-informed coaching, CBT, polyvagal theory, and neuroscience to support lasting behavioral and emotional change.

Alongside this, her decade of experience teaching yoga shapes this deeply embodied approach toward personal wisdom. And it's really spot on with everything that we're about here on Nose Dive about numbing less and living more. So I'm so stoked to have you on the podcast today. Haley, welcome.

Haley Schiek (01:12.344)
Thank you so much, Renee. It really is a pleasure to be getting to chat with you.

Renée Adams (01:17.178)
Yeah, and it just to like rewind a little bit for everybody. So I know that you first and foremost know Mara and we I'm trying to remember now like we all got on a call or maybe we were just asking you to come on the podcast at one point and like, we're like, wait, we need to just all have a chat. Is that what it was? But we're you and I were chatting. wait, no, I'm like remembering now you and I chatted first. Right. And then you're like, I know Mara. Is that how it went?

Haley Schiek (01:46.734)
Somehow you and I connected on Instagram and maybe I saw some of your content and was like, ooh, numbing less that really speaks to me. And then when we were chatting in the DM as we realized that we both know Mara and I was like, wait, when I was running sober curious events in Charleston, Mara was like the only other person in town that didn't think that was utterly crazy and was doing something similar.

Renée Adams (01:47.88)
Yes.

Renée Adams (01:56.284)
Yes!

Renée Adams (02:08.712)
Dude, yes, my God, thank you for jogging my memory. was like, wait a second, sometimes you just have to talk through the situation, because I'm like, wait a second. Yeah, that's so right. what a synchronicity too. It's like you and I connected on a different, like on the same wavelength, but through different channels. And then for you to be like, yeah, I actually know Mara.

Haley Schiek (02:16.686)
Yes.

Renée Adams (02:33.19)
And then we all got on a call and we talked about how we needed to make this an episode because there's just so many, so many parallels in the work that you're doing in building this community. And also just like, yeah, the premise of numbing less and just like your own journey and just, you know, how that lifestyle was, especially in Charleston and just opening the dialogue.

because what I love most about this in general is that feeling you get when you talk to someone. And there is just this like feeling of being seen and being understood that is like next level where you're just like, like she, you know, they get it. So yeah, yeah, I love that.

Haley Schiek (03:26.798)
really resonate with the importance of feeling seen and understood, it's actually taken until my late 20s to experience relationships where I feel seen in my wholeness and I'm accepted in that and I've experienced relationships, know, platonic, romantic, all of it now, professional.

Renée Adams (03:41.596)
Mmm.

Haley Schiek (03:54.274)
I don't have to work so hard to explain myself. You're just like in a conversation with someone who's like, yeah, like polyvagal theory and somatic healing and you know, all the things that are woo woo in certain environments. And I work in a lot of clinical environments. I work on clinical treatment teams with therapists and doctors and dietitians. And I get to live in this kind of like beautiful intersection of like.

Renée Adams (03:57.607)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (04:22.091)
what is science and what is considered fringe or woo-woo. But for me, like science and spirit like coexist. And when we try to numb the more spiritual side of things away in favor of only paying attention to like what is quote unquote evidence-based, I think we can do ourselves a big disservice. And I'm kind of speaking from personal experience because I've had a really hard time as a trained scientist and a clinical researcher.

Renée Adams (04:25.585)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (04:30.609)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (04:52.289)
holding space for all of these parts of self and of the experience of being human. What is tangible and what is not? What is measurable and maybe what's not measurable yet? Yeah.

Renée Adams (05:03.782)
Right. Yeah, well, I think that's such a good point in terms of just the, yes, the topic of numbing in terms of like the extremes, you know, it's like when, and I think it goes back to like the, how our brains actually function and how we take shortcuts to sometimes like the easiest way to numb ourselves from like,

the pain. And so we have to really be intentional about how we decide our lifestyles and how we want to behave because it's so much easier to just live in the extremes because your brain categorizes it that way. So you talked a little bit about how it's been a journey for you, especially in your late 20s now, to really be able to experience life the way that you want.

take us back a little bit, kind of like share a little bit about maybe your journey and some tidbits for the listeners.

Haley Schiek (06:09.61)
Absolutely. First and foremost, I am no stranger to numbing. So I think I'm in good company. And I honestly think any human who tells you that they don't numb is lying.

Renée Adams (06:14.202)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (06:26.086)
Yeah, they're a little bit, they're fibbers. They're fibbing a little bit. Denial, yeah. Yeah.

Haley Schiek (06:28.482)
They might be in a little bit of self denial and that's okay. But for me, like being honest about my preferred methods of numbing and what causes me to reach for them, that's just been a far more successful and helpful mentality. I, to really, really rewind, I experienced a pretty severe mental health downward spiral starting in late middle school, going through high school.

Renée Adams (06:53.192)
you

Haley Schiek (06:56.248)
to the point that I did need to go to treatment and did like a three month stint in a mental health primary rehabilitation center for adolescents, which was both horrible and wonderful. And then went on to do 15 months in a therapeutic boarding school. And these were really extreme environments, very extreme in their ways of thinking about recovery and mental wellness.

Renée Adams (06:59.238)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (07:09.777)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (07:15.035)
Okay.

Renée Adams (07:25.443)
And you're an adolescent.

Haley Schiek (07:27.222)
And I'm an adolescent. So as someone who felt like very unsafe moving through the world, holding on to an extreme felt safe. It felt like this has clear guidelines, clear rules. I think that's why the idea of sobriety, for example, or like zero binges, that was a goal of mine for a really long time, no binge eating.

Renée Adams (07:29.128)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (07:35.101)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (07:39.388)
Safe.

Yeah.

Renée Adams (07:54.95)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (07:55.167)
goal that I failed for years and I felt like a failure for that, you know, until I had a therapist probably eight years later who finally was like, do we think this is like a good goal? Because

Renée Adams (07:57.743)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (08:11.494)
in eight years. So like eight years of living in that sort of like that's it sounds exhausting.

Haley Schiek (08:20.462)
absolutely utterly exhausting. Absolutely utterly all of it was exhausting and I still feel like I'm regaining energy because it's not like, you know, I do a really good job of leaving the past behind me and only going there to use it in a way that moves my life forward or helps other people. But even so, my brain still has to work pretty hard to function like a normal adult.

Renée Adams (08:21.509)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (08:41.042)
Mm-hmm.

Haley Schiek (08:46.42)
as someone with CPTSD, complex post-traumatic stress disorder, which is something that it's taken me also until my late 20s to put my finger on as like, this is really the core. Yeah. So anything that I was reaching to numb with was just to try to deal with that, you know, CPTSD.

Renée Adams (08:51.112)
you

Renée Adams (08:56.666)
Yeah, this is what it is.

Renée Adams (09:08.999)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (09:09.138)
nightmares, the low self-worth, the inability to trust other people, the hyper-independence, which is exhausting when you don't feel like you can ask for help or trust others and be your authentic, very messy human self. So in that process, I did feel like a failure for a long time and want to numb that feeling of failure. And that's so sad to me because I was trying so hard and

Renée Adams (09:22.641)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (09:35.459)
honestly having so many wins and progresses in my mental health. But if I was thinking extremely and setting extreme goals without realizing they were extreme or unrealistic, it really set me up for a bad time and made it much more attractive to press those easy button pain relievers such as making a margarita or smoking a bowl or binge eating when I can't sleep, you know?

Renée Adams (09:50.407)
Right.

Renée Adams (10:02.682)
Yeah, yeah, totally.

Haley Schiek (10:03.295)
Instead of doing a 45 minute yoga nidra or something that takes a lot longer to down regulate the nervous system.

Renée Adams (10:09.468)
Yeah, right. Like a little, maybe not a little extra effort, but like a lot of extra effort. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it is. And I think that's like the reality of it too is I think when it becomes a part of your lifestyle and it does like that all goes back to of course, like behavioral change in general, but like exactly, let's be fucking realistic. Like if I want

Haley Schiek (10:17.577)
Yes, yeah, let's be real.

Renée Adams (10:39.324)
to if I'm like spiraling or some shit and there's like the minute meditation or just to, I don't know, step outside and take a breath or pour a glass of wine. Like I'm probably gonna pour the glass of wine just because it's like easy access and instant gratification. Now, of course, there's like this whole backend of the deeper rooted things that are happening here. And it does though, I like.

totally resonate with you on that, that it takes like sometimes a lifetime or what it feels like a lifetime to have these tools to be able to not really do that anymore. Or like, you you still have those thoughts, but it's like you have these other tools in your toolkit now that you like can recognize those things and also not feel so bad about yourself for like having those thoughts too.

Haley Schiek (11:20.13)
Yes.

Haley Schiek (11:34.51)
think that's really key, Renee, is releasing the grip on the shame as this self-control mechanism. Shame is the worst way to keep ourselves in line. It's like a form of self-punishment, of believing that you are bad. It's really like a state of helplessness, of powerlessness. I really can't change this. I'm just going to feel bad about myself for having this thing. I really work with clients.

Renée Adams (11:39.048)
Mmm.

Renée Adams (11:46.214)
Right, right.

Haley Schiek (12:04.419)
I'll give an example, like something I see really commonly is the combination of binge eating and cannabis use. And what folks are really looking for, there's a couple of things. One is pleasure. That can be really pleasurable. You're getting dopamine. Another is rest. yeah. And so sometimes, you know, we're reaching for

Renée Adams (12:11.066)
Mmm.

Renée Adams (12:18.44)
Sure. Yeah.

Renée Adams (12:25.756)
Hmm. To quiet the mind. Yeah.

Haley Schiek (12:33.197)
food and more food and more food because we need energy and food has energy, but we actually would be benefited if we slept. And so I see a lot of people who struggle with binge eating at night and who often have a history of trauma and getting into bed is actually harder than they realize. But the problem that they're thinking is the problem is the binge eating. But really it's like, why are you afraid to go to bed? What is the internal environment like in your head?

Renée Adams (12:36.88)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (12:42.376)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (12:57.243)
Right.

Haley Schiek (13:02.895)
that makes you so scared to lay alone in the dark.

Renée Adams (13:05.926)
Yes. my gosh. I feel like that's such a takeaway is there are these sort of surface level access points that we think are the problem. So like for me, it was wine. And then there was the shame of like, gosh, why can't I just like not drink alcohol or whatever? When really there was like the bigger underlying.

issue of wanting to mask something that was a lot bigger than that. So like, yeah, I think that's such a key point for a lot of people when they're reflecting on whatever it is that they're, I don't even want to say like what their vice is, but maybe something that doesn't necessarily feel so great or that you're wanting to change is one, to be a little softer on yourself, but then also like continuing to ask yourself like, what's the bigger, what's the bigger picture here?

Haley Schiek (14:01.603)
I love that you bring up like the kindness to self because you know going back to shame like you cannot hate yourself into loving yourself like I know that's a cliche but self-compassion it's so healing and we are so afraid to be nice to ourselves when we're struggling because we think we will allow ourselves to struggle harder for longer or we'll blow up our problems even worse I have like

Renée Adams (14:10.948)
Yeah, yeah. It's so true, though. Yeah.

Renée Adams (14:29.276)
Do it.

Haley Schiek (14:30.935)
I have just catapulted forward in the times where I have said, I forgive you for choosing this. And I trust that something is going on that is kind of exceeding your capacity to healthily handle this. So we're gonna focus on adding things that lift you up. We're gonna focus on adding joy, adding connection, adding professional support. And I trust because I've been through this enough times now that in doing that,

Renée Adams (14:39.08)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (14:58.063)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (15:00.099)
The problem will go away and I will get to the deeper feelings and thoughts that are going on that are actually throwing me off and making me want to reach for my easy buttons.

Renée Adams (15:02.94)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (15:10.938)
Why do you think it's so hard for us to accept that for ourselves, like to want that for ourselves or be nice to ourselves? Like I recently, no doubt, I finally said to myself, you know what? I believe in you. I believe in you and I believe in what you're doing. And I immediately started crying. I was like, whoa, where did this come from? And why is it so hard for me to

say that to myself when it's so easy for me to say that to other people and, I believe in you, I believe in what you're doing, like, this is so sick, this is so cool. And when I, it was so hard for me to say it to myself and when I did, I literally started bawling. Like, why is it so hard for us, do you think?

Haley Schiek (15:57.71)
Well, I would love people to answer it for everybody, but I'll start with just answering that question for myself, which is that I was afraid that if I didn't reject myself first, then someone else would beat me to it and then I would look like a fool. So it's like, if I hate myself, jokes on you, you hate me too. Yeah, no duh, I suck. Like I already know that. But if you have the audacity to love your authentic

Renée Adams (16:03.952)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (16:27.617)
self and show up as her and someone hates that version of you, that big expanded taking up space, following her dreams, doing what she deems is meaningful and someone shits on that version of you, that can hurt. But over time it hurts less.

Renée Adams (16:28.657)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (16:45.254)
Yeah, right.

less, yeah, you kind of like get used to it. And then like building this fortress, not in a bad way of like disconnecting from reality, but almost like a cool chrysalis of like, I don't really give a fuck. What do you think?

Haley Schiek (17:04.385)
Yes, well it took me honestly probably until this year to realize that I have tried so hard to get people to understand me and have stayed in relationships where people are actually pretty intent on misunderstanding me. And that has happened again so many times that now it's really easy to be like, I understand myself and that is good enough for me and if you don't get it...

That's okay, I don't have to be your person. We can both just go on with our lives and that's fine.

Renée Adams (17:36.198)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (17:40.861)
And that's fine. Yeah, nothing has to be this like big, you know, emotional, my God, we're gonna disconnect from the, but like it means we put the meaning behind a lot of these things. It's really all made up in certain aspects of what we tell ourselves and what we create our reality is to be. So it's like, wait a second, I can actually.

create the life that, and talk to myself, that I actually envision and want it to be, which is just like, it's not a radical concept, but for some reason, it is still very challenging for people to kind of step out of themselves for a second to realize that.

Haley Schiek (18:25.53)
Well, I think there's a distinction to you between like knowledge and wisdom. And so it's one thing to know that as a concept, which yeah, like maybe not radical, maybe not mind blowing, but then it's another thing to embody that and feel it. And that is a radical difference because that does change how you show up and you relate to other people. And like I said with, you I no longer mind if people misunderstand me.

Renée Adams (18:30.694)
Hmm.

Haley Schiek (18:53.296)
It has to do with being okay with people disliking who you are. that is a radically different experience when you actually can show up into a space and you're like, I don't have to convince anyone to like me.

Renée Adams (19:06.92)
I love that distinction between like, the knowledge versus wisdom, the knowing of information versus actually like putting it into practice because you're so right. Those are two. For some reason, like it's bringing up like sports aspect for me, you know, like you can see things on paper and you can see concepts and you can see like the playbook, but until you actually run the play or until you actually run the drill or whatever it is, it's like you don't really

know what that feels like until you actually like put it into play.

Haley Schiek (19:41.873)
Absolutely. I mean, I logically understand a lot of concept surfing. Can I rip my bottom turn to the lip the way I would like to? No. Have I watched other women do that on YouTube countless times? Yes. The knowledge is there. But I do think that this really is a good metaphor for recovery and mental health because, and back to shame as well,

Renée Adams (19:43.058)
Meh.

Renée Adams (19:46.854)
Right?

Renée Adams (19:51.473)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (19:55.674)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. my gosh.

Haley Schiek (20:09.058)
A lot of us think that just because we know it, we should be able to live it and make that change. It's actually rare for that to be like a simultaneous process of like, okay, I know how to do it now and I'm doing it and I really feel that difference and now it's a part of my integrated identity and I don't have to think so hard about doing it that way.

Renée Adams (20:13.351)
Mmm, yes, yes.

Renée Adams (20:31.591)
That's such a good point though, because it's taking you how long to even get... First of all, build these quote unquote, I don't even want to say bad habits, because putting things in categories of good and bad is not always great. But these behaviors that you don't necessarily want, decades of that. So the fact of when we think, or coming back to that shame piece of...

Haley Schiek (20:51.93)
Mm-hmm.

Renée Adams (20:57.669)
why isn't it working for me or whatever and you've only been doing for like six months or some shit. It's like, well, girl, it's been decades of you operating one way. It's gonna take some time to shift and to be nice to ourselves about it.

Haley Schiek (21:11.052)
Absolutely. I was speaking with a woman in her 60s who's in anorexia recovery earlier today. And she was like, I just, I don't believe people when they say it will get better. I've been this way for as long as I can think of, and I'm too old to be struggling with this. A lot of limiting beliefs, a lot of shame, and a lot of fear also.

Renée Adams (21:33.627)
Hmm.

Haley Schiek (21:37.345)
And part of the brain is, you it gets wired to help us survive, not thrive. That's like a really different function. And thriving takes a lot of courage. It takes changing who you are. And that does take time, but it really can get better. And I think if we are willing to let go of the limiting beliefs, you know, they feel like

Renée Adams (21:42.394)
Yes.

Haley Schiek (21:58.917)
walls of a safe room because we've gotten to know every floorboard and the way the floor creaks and the divots in the wall. Like we've been in this room for a while, but it's like a cage. It's not actually like a safe space to hang out. And so we need to dismantle this room, this cage that we have built with our mind, our thoughts, and create some sort of an exit. for me,

Renée Adams (22:12.901)
Hmm. Yeah.

Haley Schiek (22:26.978)
It can be as simple as one thought can serve as a door to a new reality and a new relationship with yourself and then a new identity and a new embodied experience of being human. So one of the thoughts that really helped me was you can't hate yourself into loving yourself.

Renée Adams (22:44.039)
That's such a good one. It is. That's such a good staple, honestly. mean, and the work that you're doing to and just helping others because of your own story, I just think it's just really needed. It's really needed. And I would also ask, because of your own journey and what you've gone through and how many people that you've helped,

What would you maybe tell your younger self through this? Because I know a lot of this work is a lot of retrospection and introspection and kind of like re-parenting and re-coaching yourself through some of these more traumatic life experiences. Is there something that in addition to you can't hate?

you know, hate yourself into loving yourself. Is there something that you would say to your younger self?

Haley Schiek (23:44.452)
There is an immediate thought and it was, you're gonna be so glad that you stayed.

Renée Adams (23:46.364)
Mm.

Renée Adams (23:52.762)
Yeah, I love that. That's so great. Yeah.

Haley Schiek (23:56.209)
And I am like if 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 year old Haley could experience the life I live now, which is so far from perfect. It's wonderful to be human right now, despite the world. Come on, the world is absolutely collapsing right now. I can't even.

Renée Adams (24:14.513)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (24:19.249)
I know, I mean Jesus. Fucking nuts. Fucking nuts.

Haley Schiek (24:25.656)
I mean the only way I can get my news is through stand-up comedy, which I recommend to anyone. I do! I really recommend that!

Renée Adams (24:31.079)
No, I agree. I agree. Yeah. Have you heard of um, uh, do you watch Jordan Jensen? By chance? Okay, she she's a little dark. But I mean, I guess that's comedy in general, because that's kind of like real life, you know, but and maybe a little crude, but Jordan Jensen is fucking brilliant. She is so smart and just hilarious. And I, I love that recommendation of like,

Haley Schiek (24:38.221)
Ooh, no.

Renée Adams (24:59.103)
That's kind of like where you find your news because honestly, yeah, I mean, we won't get into that. But yeah, I agree. I think that's like a great way to move through life is with laughs.

Haley Schiek (25:08.782)
I know that we talked about shame and the fear of kind of like letting yourself go if you're nice to yourself as being one reason we kind of stay the same and maybe keep numbing or keep that like more condensed identity and stay small. But I think that, the thought's leaving. Let me see if it'll come back.

Haley Schiek (25:40.272)
yes, thank you. the world. There's a lot of really objectively challenging things going on. Forget across the world, in our own country right now.

Renée Adams (25:53.967)
Mm-hmm.

Haley Schiek (25:55.639)
If you're feeling heightened urges to numb, I think starting with saying, this makes perfect sense and just validating yourself as an automatic response and forming that habit of validation, not enablement. There is a difference between acknowledging and enabling. But when I start with acknowledging, then that gives me two options. I can ignore that awareness or I can act on it.

And that gives me a tremendous amount of power. So it's beautiful if you are in a place where you can say, okay, it makes a lot of sense. I'd be wanting to have a glass of wine right now, given everything going on, knowing that that makes sense and knowing what my current goals are, what action would I like to take? And if I want to take this action and I'm still reaching for the habitual one, what do I need to do to get myself the support?

what needs to shift in my life to make it a little bit easier to reach for the values aligned action.

Renée Adams (27:00.781)
Yes, my gosh, I'm so like what that brings up for me like in my early super curious journey, I would legit talk to myself through talk myself through it. Like I would be coming home from corporate job. Fucking hating my life. I probably didn't have enough water. I probably was like hangry, you know, and I would go home and legit talk myself through like

Okay, Renee, you are feeling like this right now because of XYZ. When was the last time you ate? When was the last time you got outside and got some fresh air? you know, just really like dumbing almost like not dumbing it down in a negative way, but being so like, just straightforward with myself.

to that point to where it's just very easy for me to acknowledge and like you said, validate exactly how I was feeling in the moment instead of being like, fuck it. I feel like shit right now. I'm just going to reach like that habitual action. Yeah, like let's just add to the fucking dumpster fire of how I feel right now. So like it really does come back to like taking the steps and like validating. And that's where in my mind, the resiliency comes from too, because

Haley Schiek (28:09.84)
Let's pile it on.

Renée Adams (28:25.872)
As soon as you allow yourself to feel those feelings, while you may not be, you know, you're not that emotion, but you can actually kind of like see yourself and be like, okay, I am so upset right now. I want to cry. And then you let yourself cry the amount of times that I've allowed myself to do that and how quickly I've stopped crying after it. like, while it does come up kind of quickly sometimes.

Haley Schiek (28:52.067)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (28:55.47)
If I allow myself to actually like move through it, it kind of like resolves itself a lot quicker too.

Haley Schiek (29:02.33)
That makes a lot of sense when we talk about the science of emotions and we look at them from more of an energetic perspective. we can think about emotions as just energy moving through the body. And if we have the courage and the resources to allow that energy to move through us, it will. The problem is...

Renée Adams (29:19.025)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (29:28.541)
Hmm.

Haley Schiek (29:30.574)
That energy can be overwhelming. It can be very uncomfortable and it can even be scary. And if we don't have other psychological or physical tools, a physical tool, an example would be like my emotional support cat, rest in peace, but she really helped me. A mental tool might be like dialectical behavior therapy skills, distress tolerance skills.

Renée Adams (29:36.412)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (29:46.248)
Mmm.

Haley Schiek (29:59.313)
Another physical tool might be the ice bath. I have to just sit in that pain and that discomfort and let it move through my body. And when I get out of the ice bath, that discomfort lingers, but it eventually passes. And so it's through doing those sorts of things that it really, really drove home for me that, okay, like we don't actually have to do anything to get this emotion.

Renée Adams (30:03.516)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (30:26.087)
Right.

Haley Schiek (30:27.514)
to go through the body, we can help it if we want to. There's certainly techniques for helping to move emotions through oneself and helping them not get stuck. But I think we do tend to get stuck and then want to subsequently numb when we have an emotion and instead of acknowledging it, we cling to it and we get nervous and we think this is bad. I shouldn't feel this. I need to change it as quickly as possible. And I think I'm not alone in this.

Renée Adams (30:36.123)
Right.

Renée Adams (30:46.481)
Yes.

Renée Adams (30:53.798)
Yes.

Haley Schiek (30:57.656)
I know I'm not alone in this. Sometimes when we feel hurt, we believe that we ought to hurt ourselves because we shouldn't feel hurt. It's not safe to feel hurt. Maybe we grew up even in an environment where if we had hurt feelings or expressed hard emotions, some level of punishment or not being heard or being misunderstood, that amplified the pain. So then as adults, we have learned that when I'm hurt, I need to either numb that hurt

Renée Adams (31:04.136)
Mmm.

Haley Schiek (31:28.272)
proactively or hurt myself.

Renée Adams (31:29.39)
Right. Hmm. Gosh. Yeah. It's just like when you put things into perspective this way. And I know it's a lot harder to do these things like for yourself. But having someone like you as like a third party from this perspective to be able to give people like there are there's hope. There are options. There is a way to not even like

get over these things because it's an ongoing lifestyle change. You're never not going to be human. That is a part of the whole process, which I think can be a very beautiful thing. But yeah, I just love being able to have you on here as someone who is so well-versed in so many different modalities because to me, it shows that there is something out there.

Haley Schiek (32:04.496)
Mm-hmm.

Renée Adams (32:27.88)
for everybody, like however that looks. And I know sometimes it can be frustrating because it may take a while to kind of understand like what works for you. But to me, it's like, yeah, there's options for everyone.

Haley Schiek (32:34.82)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (32:44.848)
Absolutely. I think that if I could share one of the biggest mistakes I made, it was believing that just because I tried something and it didn't work for me, it proved that I was defective and doomed to always quote unquote, be like this. And, you know, for me, like a 12 step program was never gonna help me because I was not an alcoholic.

Renée Adams (32:50.503)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (33:00.518)
Yes, yes.

Renée Adams (33:09.159)
Yeah.

Yeah, right.

Haley Schiek (33:12.994)
And I would never ever identify with calling myself an addict of any kind because that language does not capture my experience. And if I were to measure again, my success based off of the goals of a 12 step program, I might always feel like I'm failing because I'm not going to meet their, their measurements. Yeah.

Renée Adams (33:33.968)
It doesn't resonate with you. Yeah, like it's not like a value to you. And that's one thing too, that like getting back to your values and what you actually care about and like your own alignment with like your actions was such a big game changer for me. But so like for now, for you personally, what does kind of your

your daily or maybe like monthly kind of practices look like? I know that you're like deeply ingrained in the yoga practice too, which I know is super helpful, but what is kind of your practice look like right now?

Haley Schiek (34:10.134)
Yeah. So I'm glad you asked right now because that was the second thing I wanted to touch on, which is that just because you find something that works for a period of time does not mean it will work forever. And being willing to keep exploring and evolve beyond the coping mechanism and support systems that work for time is essential. But right now, something that's helping me is just prioritizing sleep hygiene.

Renée Adams (34:21.025)
Yes, totally.

Renée Adams (34:36.244)
Mm, that's such a big one for sure.

Haley Schiek (34:38.96)
trying to have a consistent sleep-wake time and then creating a solid morning routine. So it builds trust in self when you can just do small things and follow through that are good for you. So for me, that looks like getting up. I drink some like greens and if I don't have greens on hand, then I'll drink hot water before I have any caffeine. I go sit and I try to breathe and do just like.

four to 10 rounds of box breathing depending on the day and sit with my empty-ish thoughts and as the brain is waking up and I have two books right now that I'm reading that inspire me and kind of set the tone for the day and so I'll do that and then once I do that I can get online and I'm really trying to protect that time for my brain because if I exhaust my brain I'm not going to have the cognitive resources to say no to easy buttons.

Renée Adams (35:36.133)
Mmm.

Haley Schiek (35:36.377)
So a lot of it is just about managing energy more effectively. So that's a definitely a big yoga principle. That said, I do need to get better at time management. am someone who is, know, space and time are not real kind of a person. But we are living in the matrix. And so I would benefit greatly. Yes.

Renée Adams (35:52.283)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You have to abide by some kind of rules or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Haley Schiek (36:02.434)
So it's kind of things like that. And just being honest with myself, when I do want to reach for a substance, it's like, okay, well, what's the intention? What's the goal here? And there's certainly days far and few between where I'm like, yeah, I feel comfortable going out and having multiple drinks because that's what we're doing and we're having fun and that's okay. And I only feel that way because I spent three years completely sober from alcohol.

Renée Adams (36:25.788)
Yes.

Haley Schiek (36:31.466)
and loved that experience so much. And I am no longer a part of just like what is the normal alcohol culture. Like I have defined how I want to participate in it for now. And that feels really freeing. So I think when I was just a part of like what was like the normal alcohol culture coming out of college, going into COVID, I just felt bad about myself. Like it was like, I'm not an alcoholic.

Renée Adams (36:34.075)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (36:45.19)
Yes.

Renée Adams (36:58.439)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (37:00.868)
and I'm doing what is objectively normal, I'm honestly probably even drinking less than people around me in Charleston. And yet. So it was like that and yet that drove the curiosity to be like, okay, well, what does a healthy relationship with this substance look like for me if I want to have one at all? And so going back to values and you know, like those nights out, like I think those are probably

Renée Adams (37:09.992)
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, geez.

Haley Schiek (37:30.264)
a conflict with some values while they honor others. know, connection and joy, adventure, those can be honored, but it might violate others like integrity because it's a neurotoxin and I really care about my body, you know? But I'm able to hold that nuance without that sending me into a shame spiral or like continuing to direct behavior. Yeah.

Renée Adams (37:36.872)
Totally.

Renée Adams (37:45.339)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (37:54.857)
Yes. Yeah. Well, I think that's so important too for people in general, like specifically with alcohol, there's, I can honor the fact that some people do and not to like put them in a box, but you know, it's like some people don't have to like, they have to be completely abstinent, you know? But I think the fact that you framed it and how you want to engage with it at this moment, I think is so important because

Haley Schiek (38:14.746)
Mm-hmm.

Renée Adams (38:24.336)
especially in the non-alcoholic, just soberish, sober curious sort of space, you can change your mind. You can be sober for a certain amount of time, or you can take a month or two off and then incorporate it if that's how you feel back into your lifestyle, if that's how you feel or that's what you decide to do. I just think it's such an important factor because...

A lot of people, again, going back to those extremes, it's like, I made this decision, but now my values are kind of changing a little bit. shit, can I do that? And it's like, you can't. You can if you want. Yeah.

Haley Schiek (39:05.144)
You can, you can. if I think if you're a person who's honest with yourself and who has practices based in taking actions that build self trust in like across the domains of your life, you know, like what I was talking about with sleep in a morning routine, it's like those things seem unrelated. But like it's little things like that, that affirm that I can trust myself in the present moment. I am present with myself and

Renée Adams (39:22.022)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (39:34.948)
The scariest things happen when we attempt to not be home within our own beings, you know? So it's like, it's a lot harder to numb when you're home.

Renée Adams (39:39.068)
Yes. Right.

Renée Adams (39:45.137)
yeah, totally. But also like to your point of like your routine and sharing your routine with us, like I think it's also so important to remember to slow down because it is so difficult in this time and space that we are right now of instant gratification and all of the shoulds and you you should do this and should do that and all of these things that we get so caught up and so.

just the reminder to allow yourself to wake up on your own terms. And I get it. People have nine to fives. A lot of people don't have the luxury of maybe being able to do those things, but how can you incorporate those things that are so beneficial to getting back to a less crazy go, go, go?

all the time, which is like its own form of numbing, in my opinion. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Haley Schiek (40:47.676)
Absolutely it is. Well, I mean, I just moved back from Puerto Rico. was living there for a year and a half and the piece of life is completely different.

Renée Adams (40:55.032)
shit, so you moved to where? I know you're in Puerto Rico, but where?

Haley Schiek (40:58.8)
Well, kind of nowhere. I'm currently in Florida staying with family. I really just needed a break. And again, this is one of those things where I just trust myself. I hated making that decision. It didn't feel good. I don't even want to say it felt right, but it felt from deep within like it was the necessary next step. And that was all I knew. And so...

Renée Adams (41:05.627)
Okay.

Renée Adams (41:12.296)
Mmm.

Renée Adams (41:16.999)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (41:25.5)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Haley Schiek (41:28.962)
I think that can apply to substances. It's like, okay, like I don't really know where this is going to lead, but I know this is the next step I have to take. And like just trusting that it takes a lot of courage. Like that was, mean, moving back sucked so much.

Renée Adams (41:36.38)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (41:39.877)
Dude, moving is so fucking gnarly, like, because we just did a move also. And so it's just like, you're so used to your creature comforts, or at least for me, like, the more I get into like the astrology thing, too, I guess my Taurus is my moon, which is like all about, you know, creature comforts, I think like you're into like your things that you like. And so

Haley Schiek (41:48.976)
Ugh.

Renée Adams (42:08.164)
and the emotional side of things. like uprooting my life for 12 years and moving to a place that I'm still familiar with, but like, you have to get into your own routine, but just like packing up your life is so, it's hard. It's fucking hard.

Haley Schiek (42:23.952)
Absolutely. I think when, you know, moving is a great example of like a trigger for wanting to numb because how overwhelming is that to do list? How overwhelming is it to not have your comfortable space to do your routine and that usually keeps you grounded and makes it easier, you know, to not numb. So I think I just, recently counted and I think I've moved like 14 times in the last 10 years, which needs to change. That is not.

Renée Adams (42:30.076)
Hmm. Right.

Renée Adams (42:39.108)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Renée Adams (42:48.648)
You're like, no.

Haley Schiek (42:52.674)
I am people like, you're a digital nomad. And I'm like, no, like, not a digital nomad. I actually like love a solid safe home base. Like I love a deep like connected community that was I think part of my grief of leaving Puerto Rico. You you invest all this time and building community and it's so beautiful. And, you know, what a gift. But sometimes we have to just heed the call forward and and try.

Renée Adams (42:56.208)
Not really, actually.

Renée Adams (43:01.231)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (43:12.465)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (43:17.83)
Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. And that also leads me to my next question for you is how and maybe what does it sound like to trust yourself? Because we've talked a lot about deciphering between the anxiety versus the knowing and how hard it can be sometimes to differentiate those voices. So what does that kind of

look like for you in practice? And is it like, you know, a voice thing? Is it a knowing type of thing? What does it look like?

Haley Schiek (43:55.899)
For me, I would say it's a very clear voice.

Renée Adams (44:01.659)
Okay.

Haley Schiek (44:03.14)
But if I'm moving too quickly through my life, I can't hear it.

Renée Adams (44:06.898)
Yes. And is it, do you feel like it's your voice or do you feel like it's like your higher self or maybe like spirit guide?

Haley Schiek (44:17.122)
think it is all one in the same, actually. So sometimes it feels like a distinct higher voice or a guide. But a lot of the times it just feels like the grounded, regulated self shining through and just having the ability to like the space within the mind be still enough for those thoughts that are maybe

Renée Adams (44:21.094)
Mm-hmm.

Renée Adams (44:29.169)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (44:45.826)
submerged, chilling on the bottom to be seen and start to rise up to the surface to be witnessed and heard. So I know that we live in a very connected, you know, constant movement, constant noise, constant social media, like technology, whatever kind of world. I was challenged by my one of my energy healers to

Renée Adams (44:49.82)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (45:12.016)
do two weeks without music or podcasts.

Renée Adams (45:16.064)
Ooh, music is such a hard one, especially like working out and stuff. my God.

Haley Schiek (45:18.956)
Yeah, I made it a week. I made it a week. I was personally proud. I had no shame. was like, I feel like in this week, I have gotten the insight I needed. But it was astounding. And I've been a big fan of voice notes. So something I do is is in the silence, I let my mind start to empty driving is a place where I always get the best insight and the most clarity, because I am still

Renée Adams (45:24.968)
Hey, well, a week is, that's pretty good. That's good, yeah.

Yeah.

Renée Adams (45:37.724)
Mm-hmm.

Renée Adams (45:46.544)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (45:48.002)
and focused.

Renée Adams (45:49.084)
Focus, yeah, that's so true, yeah.

Haley Schiek (45:51.567)
So if you're someone who doesn't like to meditate or like can't really imagine rolling out a yoga mat, get in your car and turn off the radio and I think you might achieve a similar brainwave state. And in that place, recording on the voice memo app, it's free. I know there's a lot of other ones that you could use, but the voice memo app is free and it's great. And taking the time to talk to yourself and then listen back to that. And...

Renée Adams (46:10.553)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (46:17.902)
If you want to take it a step further, you know, I'm writing books, so it's actually very useful for me to then take these voice memos and just put them into a raw brain dump in my favorite AI platform, which is currently Claude. And ask Claude to A, just log this thought, B, log themes and tag those themes and then draw any specific quotes, you know, lines.

Renée Adams (46:30.834)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (46:43.61)
particular insights that maybe I should be aware of or potentially even use for making decisions, future writing, et cetera.

Renée Adams (46:48.86)
Hmm. Yeah. that's like a very cool, like, holistic way to kind of get to know yourself, but also like hear your own thoughts. think that's so it is difficult. But I think that when we give our time, like ourselves, the time and space, it's like

your own voice can actually come through a lot clearer than I think we realize.

Haley Schiek (47:19.696)
Well, a lot of it, mean, why do we love talking to therapists? They see us, they witness us, they understand us. Talking to a friend, same thing, it can feel really good to talk to a friend and have them be like, yeah, like that makes sense. I love that, but wow, hearing the sound of my own voice, my tone, the emotion, wow. So I hate...

Renée Adams (47:22.952)
Mmm, yeah.

Renée Adams (47:29.273)
Yeah. Yeah.

Renée Adams (47:37.576)
Totally.

Renée Adams (47:46.546)
Hmm.

Haley Schiek (47:49.689)
I'm still learning how to deal with this emotion, but rage. I did not experience rage growing up. It's something that I've only experienced as an adult as a result of just like honestly being a woman for long enough and being just so appalled by the disrespect that has been shown to me repeatedly and has been systemically ingrained in men. know, and so rage, it's a really uncomfortable

Renée Adams (47:53.202)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (48:01.593)
Yeah, shit.

Renée Adams (48:07.238)
Yeah.

Renée Adams (48:14.344)
Sure.

Haley Schiek (48:19.5)
emotion, but to hear what I sound like when I am experiencing rage and the thoughts that are underneath that scary emotion. It's very powerful and it does feel very safe. So for me, like anger was a very unsafe emotion to feel until I was able to witness it within myself and say to myself, okay, that makes sense. And obviously if we want to

Renée Adams (48:38.717)
Hmm.

Haley Schiek (48:46.926)
you know, have a crucial conversation with the person who hurt you so badly to make you this angry. We're not going to be able to scream at them the way that you're screaming about this issue in the car. It's great that we're getting this out now, but we're going to need to figure out how to approach this from a more regulated space because no one can hear you when you're yelling.

Renée Adams (48:56.904)
You

Renée Adams (49:05.531)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, totally. All they hear is like the defensiveness, you know, or they take it as like being super defensive for sure. That's like, maybe a new practice I will adopt, you know, like when I'm just feeling like super fucking pissed off or just like, at my wits end with whatever is going on in life instead of like screaming in the pillow or going to work out, maybe I'll just like yell to the phone or something.

Haley Schiek (49:12.941)
Absolutely.

Haley Schiek (49:33.293)
Yeah, well, I mean, those are really helpful for moving energy through your body, right? Like that is moving the emotion through the body. But it can also kind of keep the body in that elevated state with adrenaline and cortisol. And while leaving an angry voice note, my adrenaline and cortisol are pumping. But when I listen back, I can feel my body relax.

Renée Adams (49:38.747)
Yes.

Renée Adams (49:47.12)
Right. Yeah.

Renée Adams (50:02.438)
Hmm, because you got it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's so crazy, too. And maybe you've experienced this too, with just like your experience with yoga and just breath work and whatnot. at the end of the day, just taking a huge inhale and like sigh, not just like a breathing out, but like a verbal sigh in your body and like the vibration and stuff.

Haley Schiek (50:03.258)
just from being heard.

Renée Adams (50:32.104)
How quickly it changes your state of mind from this sort of overstimulation to relaxation is uncanny. It's insane to me. I'm like, this is all it takes. And I forget on a daily basis of like, I can actually take two minutes and just take a big ass deep breath and like everything's gonna be fine.

Haley Schiek (50:58.636)
Absolutely. Well, and I love that you bring that up, Renee. It reminds me of working with my clients who usually when they start working with me, they perceive the body as the problem.

Renée Adams (51:09.212)
Hmm.

Haley Schiek (51:10.916)
but the pathway to healing is through the body. The body is the solution. And so a lot of people with substance use challenges, a lot of people with disordered eating and body dysmorphia. The body might be a source of trauma. It can be a really uncomfortable place. Those sensations can be overwhelming.

Renée Adams (51:15.761)
Yes.

Haley Schiek (51:35.737)
And we don't necessarily maybe feel like we're in control of the body because we've been trying to control it in ways that we don't have control over it, such as trying to lose weight. But when we take ownership of the things that we actually do have influence over, like our nervous system, that is another way to build self-trust. So instead of like imploding into that emotion and claiming powerlessness, just remembering I have the power to take a breath and change how I feel right now.

Renée Adams (51:43.42)
Right, right.

Renée Adams (51:54.044)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (52:02.322)
Hmm.

Haley Schiek (52:04.44)
And a lot of people, like even just hearing that, there was a time period in my life where I would hear that and that would piss me off because I might not have actually wanted that ownership. I wanted to be, not that I wanted to be a victim, but I didn't want that level of accountability because it's not easy to be accountable and live an accountable life. It's the harder choice, but I think it pays off, you know, equally.

Renée Adams (52:11.144)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (52:15.196)
Mmm.

Renée Adams (52:26.418)
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Renée Adams (52:31.986)
True, no, that's such a good point. And just to like, maybe switch gears a little bit, because we do like to have fun on Nose Dive. We do try to our best to like have some light moments and whatnot. So I know you mentioned that you surf. What are some other like fun facts about Haley?

You know, like what do you like to do? What are your hobbies? Maybe what's like your favorite food, drink combination? Like what does that look like?

Haley Schiek (53:03.57)
so many good questions. Okay, so this looks like coffee, but I'm drinking carrot juice. I love carrot juice so much.

Renée Adams (53:10.664)
Like by itself or do you put like turmeric and like other fun stuff in it? Okay, okay, nice.

Haley Schiek (53:16.058)
A little bit of lemon. A little bit of lemon. So I love carrot juice. My favorite pastime in sport is pole dancing.

Renée Adams (53:26.764)
hell yeah, dude, I swear, I've never done it, but like that shit actually looks so hard. Like me trying to like hold myself up is probably like very difficult.

Haley Schiek (53:32.748)
It is so hard.

Haley Schiek (53:38.554)
I was a competitive gymnast for like over a decade and I was not as strong then as I am now as a pole athlete.

Renée Adams (53:42.769)
shit, I didn't know that.

Renée Adams (53:48.308)
Wow. Okay. like, what is, what's like the hardest part of that? Like, or maybe, maybe not what's the hardest part, but what do you love about it?

Haley Schiek (53:59.653)
Hmm. I actually love that it is a different kind of challenge. And maybe not in the physical way that you would think, but it is a mirrored space typically, and it can be very sensual and sexual. And, you know, I grew up Catholic. And so I kind of grew up with a lot of shame around sensuality and sexuality. And then, you know, there's that double standard of, you know, men can do what they want, but girls are

Renée Adams (54:09.346)
Mmm. Yes.

Haley Schiek (54:28.08)
of sluts. And so growing up with that was really painful. And I think it again caused me to fragment and numb parts of myself that really deserve nourishment and attention and are totally safe to lean into. So it was really hard to confront that level of shame and to allow myself to enjoy that space and

Renée Adams (54:29.136)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Haley Schiek (54:51.736)
and actually, you know, shake my butt and wear high heels. Like have fun and just let myself have fun.

Renée Adams (54:54.318)
Yeah, yeah, have fun. Yeah.

Renée Adams (55:01.5)
Yes. Yeah. Give yourself permission to be like, yeah, fuck yeah. I look good. This is fun. Yeah.

Haley Schiek (55:05.772)
Yes. my gosh, yes. It's so it's it's a really healing environment. And that just brings so much joy. And it's a really interesting diverse community. You'll have women who are in their 60s. You have people who are fighting cancer. You've got girls in their 20s. You've got strippers. You've got you've got chemists, you have doctors, you've got everybody. So

Renée Adams (55:11.612)
Hmm.

Renée Adams (55:25.016)
Yeah, yeah. It's so cool.

Haley Schiek (55:30.04)
It's just a really wonderful, diverse environment that has so opened my mind and heart to myself and others.

Renée Adams (55:34.888)
Hmm. I love that. Well, I love all of that. And then is there any other kind of like, I don't know, what are you like into right now with podcasts or or Yeah, we're we're you out with that?

Haley Schiek (55:49.914)
So my favorite two right now, the first one is a tech and AI podcast called Hardfork.

Renée Adams (55:56.65)
Ooh, okay, nice, hard fork.

Haley Schiek (55:58.233)
And it's kind of comedic and it's like mostly clean comedy, which I just find so impressive. I'm planning to do a standup comedy camp starting in June.

Renée Adams (56:08.216)
No, my God, that sounds so scary, but so fun. In the best way. wow. that's gonna be fun.

Haley Schiek (56:13.57)
I'm terrified and thrilled. I cannot wait. I'm so excited. There's so many nights I'll be laying in bed right now and need to like get up and get my phone because I like need to write down a bit idea.

Renée Adams (56:26.088)
Yes, that means that it's like meant to be because you're like getting all these downloads. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's gonna be fun

Haley Schiek (56:29.36)
100%. So that's really fine. And then I kind of forget what we were talking about where that started. the other podcast. So I really like Net Worth and Chill with your rich BFF. I'm trying to just be... good. You know it.

Renée Adams (56:37.25)
the podcast, what's the other podcast? Yeah.

Renée Adams (56:43.736)
I love Vivian too. Yeah, she is the best. I actually read her. Did you read her book?

Haley Schiek (56:52.901)
No.

Renée Adams (56:54.76)
It's very good. Yeah. But what were you gonna say? You're trying to...

Haley Schiek (56:59.066)
just be more financially savvy. Like again, like I'm someone who's really deprogrammed and I'm really mission driven. So money is so secondary to me, even though it's like absolutely necessary for guys. So, you know, finding the balance there and her podcasts are just super interesting and a different energy than the other podcasts I typically listen to.

Renée Adams (57:09.212)
Yeah, essential, yeah.

Renée Adams (57:24.506)
Yeah, well, I'll have to look up the first one that you mentioned. But yeah, the Your Wish BFF, Vivian is like, she's awesome. Like her whole story and stuff too is so cool. Like coming from Wall Street and then going off on her own and like just helping other women being financially literate is I just think like so important. It really is. And not just women. I think like it's beneficial for everybody to like, it's again like,

looking in a mirror in some way, you know, like you not to bury your head in the sand about certain things. So I love that. And we're going to have to like circle back around in June and see how the camp goes. That is so fun. my God. Pole dancing communion, health advocate over here, people like talk about being so well rounded and having fun at the same time. I fucking love it.

Haley Schiek (57:56.025)
Yeah.

Haley Schiek (58:05.528)
Yes. Yeah, I'll report back.

Renée Adams (58:20.551)
and before we, before we kind of like round out our conversation, I want to give you the platform to, I know you've got some like amazing things coming up. We, we kind of dove in a little bit around what you actually do, you know, as, as a coach and, with the things that you do, but yeah, tell the people what you got going on coming up.

Haley Schiek (58:42.712)
Yeah, so I still have a few spaces for one-to-one holistic mental health coaching open. So that spans a wide variety of topics from disorder and eating to substance misuse to things like CPTSD, perfectionism, people pleasing, that sort of stuff. Then I'm really excited to be running my annual Summer Bodies Body Image Bootcamp again. This is the third year that we're running it, which is crazy.

Renée Adams (59:09.434)
Amazing.

Haley Schiek (59:10.8)
And that starts June 10th. Folks can sign up before June 1st to get $60 off. That is pretty limited spacing. I think we've got 10 spaces. And it's a great group, women from 17 to 60, really. So we learn a lot from each other and from what women and other generations have gone through. And then if you are looking for super deep healing, like a full energy reset,

I have a Trauma-Informed Yoga and Coaching Program that is 12 weeks long. It incorporates, you know, polyvagal theory, neuroscience theories that you can read more about in books like The Body Keeps the Score, really incredible trauma research, and it also integrates spirituality. So the different systems of thought around chakras or Catholicism, Judaism, those sorts of things. So whatever you believe in, we can work with that.

Renée Adams (01:00:04.654)
Yeah, you can cover it. Yeah.

Haley Schiek (01:00:07.148)
We can work with that and we rounded out that experience with integration coaching so that way you feel like you've got a plan for how to keep those good vibes moving forward.

Renée Adams (01:00:16.231)
We love that. And we will, of course, link everything on how you can find Hailey and sign up for any of the things that she mentioned in our show notes. And again, I'm just so, I'm so thankful for this relationship, this friendship, you know, through your conversations and through your story. You know, I really do think that you're making a difference and making an impact. And I hope that our listeners, if they didn't take something away, I mean, good Lord, there's so many great like,

good nuggets of wisdom to integrate. there's just, as you mentioned, and your mission of like, there is hope, there's something out there for you. There's nothing wrong with you. I promise you that there is light on the other side of this introspection. So thank you again for coming on Nose Dive. We absolutely loved having you as a guest.

Haley Schiek (01:01:08.324)
Thank you, Renee. It's so important to me to have these conversations. And so I just appreciate that you create the space.

Renée Adams (01:01:14.256)
Yeah, thank you so much. Until next time, bye.