Brother Sister Whatever
Brother Sister Whatever is the cynical-but-lovable sibling podcast for GenX & Xennials navigating the messy middle of life—identity, aging, family roles, and all the weird in-between stuff that adulthood forgot to warn us about.
Hosted by Lisa & Josh, two grown-up siblings with opposite vibes and shared trauma, this show is part therapy, part throwback, and part unfiltered real talk about the messier side of life. Expect plenty of 80s/90s nostalgia and laughs as we dissect it all!
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Childhood Memories of the 90s: The Truth (and the Lies) We Still Tell
Childhood Memories of the 90s—take a trip back to when photo albums were the real cloud storage, Dunkaroos were currency, and siblings could live the same day but remember it completely differently.
In this episode, Lisa and Josh dive deep into their childhood memories, debating 90s snack wars, the great Nintendo vs Sega divide, and whether mom’s “wooden spoon” was a legitimate threat or just parental theater. From Paula Abdul topping the charts in 1989 to the days before iCloud, they explore how our memories shape the stories we tell—and why your sibling probably swears you’re remembering it all wrong.
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Quick question Do you and your sibling actually remember the same childhood? Because Josh and I have completely different versions of everything.
Josh:Especially the parts where I'm clearly the innocent one, and Lisa's rewriting history like she's publishing a memoir.
Lisa:Give me a break. Today we're diving into the lies, the legends and the totally false confidence we all have in our own memories.
Josh:We are unpacking everything from photo albums versus phone pics to the great snitching incident of 94.
Lisa:Plus, we'll be rewinding to September 1989, when Paul Abdul was number one and Josh still thought he was mom's favorite.
Josh:And a real listener letter about sibling memory wars. That hits way too close to home.
Lisa:Memory is a scam and you're about to get exposed. Let's go, josh. Did photo albums make memories more real than phone pics? Do you even have photo albums?
Josh:No, I do not have photo albums Zero.
Lisa:Not even one.
Josh:Not even one.
Lisa:Wow, okay, so I think I know who's what side you're going to take.
Josh:Well, I mean, everything is phone pics and you know, through Apple you can order those nice photos.
Lisa:Yes, like the photo books and stuff.
Josh:Yeah. So, like you know I have, like I might have like. Yeah, I have two photo books like that I got as gifts with one of Jet, one of Fallon, but not like, if you're talking photo albums, like you take the photo and you put it in. No, no, no, no.
Lisa:No, no, no. In photo albums, like you take the photo and you put it in no, no, no, no, no, no, no, those like those feel very like tangible you know what I mean like the memories feel more real when it's it, when it's like you're holding it does that make sense.
Lisa:I don't know why, but like I'm a, I'm a scrapbooker. I don't want to say I do it all the time. Usually once a year I'll just kind of catch up or something and do a year's worth of scrapbooking and it's definitely turned. It started with the paper scrapbooking the legit old school way, and now it's more digital where I can create a scrapbooking effect and then print it out on like a, an actual film, like I don't know what. Would you call it like film?
Lisa:yeah, I guess, I guess whatever but I still have like tons of pictures yeah, I don't know, I think it's, you know the it's.
Josh:It's like my audiobooks, like I prefer audio books over like the real thing. But now I've been kind of dabbling with the real thing, like now I want to hold the book. So you know, I I relate it to that a little bit. I guess you know you're you want to hold the photo, you want to. You know, it feels maybe more real to you versus probably some people. You know the photos, I, I don't even. I think it's never been a thing for me. That's why I think we look at photos differently, period oh for sure, of course, of course like I'm the guy that you know, I always got flack for this.
Josh:Um, I don't know if it's a guy thing or if it's a Josh thing, but like I'll go to an event and it's like a super great moment. But like I'll never pull out my phone because, like I'm in the moment, so like I'm like enjoying, like watching, uh, you know, and it's like you didn't take a photo and I I'm like, oh shit, no, you know. So like I'm very much like in the moment, so to speak, to be able to have my brain be like oh, this is going to be a great moment. I should like take a photo of this. Yeah.
Josh:I can't Like my mind can't like fathom that. It has to be in the moment.
Lisa:Interesting. Can't like fathom that. It has to be in the moment. Interesting, see, but I wonder, is that something that you have because we didn't grow up like that, like we didn't have a lot of pictures growing up? Right think about it like. I mean, there's not even like digital evidence now of like old pictures of us like we. We have very few, like I think.
Josh:Do you mean like our era, or do you mean us personally?
Lisa:Us personally. Oh, okay, like I mean yes.
Josh:Well, you do the photos, don't you?
Lisa:Yeah, there's a lot of like old school, like I went through mom and dad's like stash and they have the old school like things that you put in, like the projector slides, the projector slides of like or like you know, early eighties, and it's just like you have to hold it up to the to the light to see what the fuck it even is, and like it's ridiculous, right. And and I tried at one point, like in the last, I'll say, decade, to like take a bunch of those and actually get them printed out like, or a digital copy of them, and like the process is like ridiculous.
Lisa:You know so, but the thing is is like if you back then you only had the physical pictures, right, so you had, or the negatives, right, but like who kept the fucking negatives? Like I hated the negatives, chuck them, you know. Now I'm like, wow, that was really stupid. But like you only had the picture and so like, if you lost it, or like we lost a lot of stuff, like in the 80s flood when we had to like get rid of a lot of things, like a lot of our pictures got ruined and stuff like that Like they're done.
Josh:There was a flood, you had a flood.
Lisa:Yeah, you were still really young. But like it was, like you, it's ruined, it's done. You don't have a digital copy, you don't have extra copies of this picture laying around, so in that respect it's kind of like yeah, for sure. You know. So I like that aspect of like it's always digital and like I have it no matter where I go. I you know I have. I can have it on my phone. I've saved it on the hard drive, like we have evidence that we've lived through these things.
Josh:Yeah, I think that's why iPhone is so successful.
Lisa:You know like because iPhone, specifically, or any phone, well I, this isn't any phone.
Josh:Yeah, any phone. But like I feel like iPhone was kind of like the like you know we're, we're going to be, we're going to be a part of your memories, you know kind of thing, and it's like iPhone, apple photos, you know all of that.
Lisa:Yeah, the iCloud, all of it, yeah.
Josh:Yeah, like, and you're right, you know that is something that's kind of cool. Is that like you have all of that stuff? Yeah, saved.
Lisa:Yep, and like I mean now, like I mean I even have Amazon photos. Like I mean now, like I mean, I even have. Amazon photos Me too. Right, and it's awesome because you can like.
Josh:It's unlimited and it's free.
Lisa:Exactly For pictures. For pictures, Not for videos unfortunately, but it's like I love that, because then I could be like oh okay, so I was this age. Like sometimes you remember things like, oh, I was, I was, you know, it was New Year's of 99, whatever right. Or New Year's of 2010. And I can go back to the album, the 2010 album, and find what I need to, whereas, like, if you have only physical photos, imagine like, unless you're super duper, like into Like albums 1999, 2000, 2001.
Lisa:And all of your pictures are like in order by sequence, like come on, I'm sure there's people that do that.
Josh:But that to me is like Well, that's a lot of work.
Lisa:It is a lot of work. I wouldn't want to do that all the time, so anyways. So I think what you're digital and I'm half half. I'm going to say half half.
Josh:Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely digital.
Lisa:I like memories to be pretty, so the scrapbooking part of it is, and the physical part of it that that satisfies my creative, my creative juices, so to speak. All right, so I think that wraps up our 90s mystery question photo albums. All right, let's move on to this or that.
Josh:Yes.
Lisa:You ready.
Josh:I'm ready.
Lisa:Okay, the first one Nintendo versus Sega. Oh boy, so we're talking back in the day though one Nintendo versus Sega.
Josh:Oh boy, so we're talking back in the day though.
Lisa:Oh yeah, these are all back in the day, this or that back in the day.
Josh:Okay, so in that case, sega. If you asked me now, it would be Nintendo, but back then I was in awe about Sega because I didn't have it as much. I had the Super Nintendo. I had you know, but Sega was, like, you know, sonic and everyone was so into it and so that was something that always interested me. So, like this or that back in the day, sega okay, for me it was Nintendo, love Nintendo. Troll dolls versus beanie babies.
Lisa:So, okay, I remember troll dolls more in my, like high school days. We used to keep them in our locker for good luck. I don't know we were weird, but beanie babies like I remember that a lot Like mom used to collect them. Remember when they used to have them as like McDonald's toys.
Josh:Yes.
Lisa:She'd have garbage bags full of them.
Josh:Yeah, yeah.
Lisa:Yeah. So I'm going to say Beanie Babies, what?
Josh:about you.
Lisa:If you had to. I know you probably don't give a shit.
Josh:Probably Troll Dolls.
Lisa:Yeah.
Josh:Yeah, I think so yeah.
Lisa:Okay, saved by the Bell or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Josh:Fresh Prince because I never even watched Saved by the Bell, oh, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Lisa:Fresh Prince because I never even watched Saved by the Bell. Oh no, I just I didn't click with it. I watched it a few times, Didn't click with it as much. Fresh Prince every weekend.
Josh:Yeah, Fresh Prince, that was the best All the time.
Lisa:Fm radio countdowns or Napster playlists Gosh Napster yeah, I figured you would say that. For me, though, my like peak was more FM radio countdowns. I would sit there with a cassette player and wait for my song to come on to record it. Yeah, that's how we had to record stuff. Yes, every recording I had always included a clip of like the radio host at the beginning or the end, and I always fucking hated when they wouldn't let a song finish you know, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah don't you know?
Josh:we're trying to record here it's true uh, dunkaroos versus gushers of dunkaroos hands down my favorite, the, the treat I could never get. I know right we weren't, we weren't allowed to have that stuff no, I would trade my food and stuff to get one of the dunkaroos from people yep, you know what else was really good Lunchables. Oh yeah, but we never got those either.
Lisa:Mom was like well, just cut up some cheese and crackers.
Josh:And I think we're like no, it's not the same. I remember, though she used to. She cracked a few times. Remember those? It was like a little pizza and you'd put the little sauce and then you put the little cheese with like two pepperonis.
Lisa:Never, not with me.
Josh:That was a good one, so I guess we know who's mom's favorite. Well, I already knew that Saturday morning cartoons or TGIF.
Lisa:Oh, tgif hands down.
Josh:Yeah, same, yeah, absolutely.
Lisa:Like I'm trying to remember if we even did Saturday morning cartoons.
Josh:I mean I did, but it wasn't like a thing like we, it was just kind of like yeah, you know.
Lisa:Yeah.
Josh:I'd be watching Dragon Ball Z or whatever.
Lisa:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a big thing, yeah Two.
Josh:Yeah, I mean, we are seven years apart, six, six years apart. So like in the scenario of like watching cartoons together, you know, probably not really.
Lisa:Not really, but we did only have the one TV, josh, yeah.
Josh:TGIF, though, was a thing. Yes, for sure.
Lisa:Yeah, walkman versus Discman.
Josh:I mean, I remember having a yellow Walkman which was probably yours at once upon a time or something it was. I'm remembering it right now so I remember having snow as one of my, one of my um cassettes, really that was a cassette, it wasn't a cd no, it was a cassette fuck.
Lisa:So that was, um, that was when we lived on Mizunov, um, so, like, I guess I'm gonna say cassette yeah same well, I feel, I just feel like that, like I mean, I had a discman too at one point later on, but walkman, like was just epic, and like listening to a song over and over again and like rewind, rewind yeah, oh yeah yeah, love that oh my gosh I. I don't love it, but I miss it. You know what I mean yeah when I think about those times, I'm just like oh those were the good old days watch, I bet you they.
Josh:They make a comeback with a fancy cassette player and then people can do cassettes again. Look how, how the vinyls. Look at the vinyl things that are coming out now to do the big records?
Josh:yeah, but I think becoming more and more popular yes, those were always there, but it was a niche like those never went away no, but it was a niche, but now cassettes went away yeah, but like now, the companies have like these fancy ones like recorders you know like to, to put the you can buy like, uh, like some of our podcast equipment. They sell disc record yeah, yeah.
Lisa:Interesting, yeah, interesting DJs.
Josh:DJs use them a lot. Oh well, yeah of course, and they're fancy ones.
Lisa:Yes.
Josh:They're all like made out of aluminum, and you know so.
Lisa:Yeah.
Josh:Slap bracelets versus friendship bracelets.
Lisa:I remember slap bracelets more than friendship bracelets.
Josh:Me too. Yeah, slap bracelets all the way.
Lisa:Yeah, and in the last few years one of the kids went to a birthday party and in their favor bag it was a slide. I was just like I went through down this like a little rabbit hole of like my youth, I love these things. The kids were looking at me like okay, you're a little weird. Nickelodeon versus Disney Channel? If I remember correctly, we didn't have Nickelodeon. Was a Nickelodeon like its own channel on cable.
Josh:I think some was mixed in with like YTV and stuff. No yeah, but I feel like I'm pretty sure it was mixed in. But I don't even remember anything from Disney Channel. I don't even remember there was a Disney Channel.
Lisa:No, no, no yeah.
Josh:So I'm going to say Nickelodeon, I guess, because that was stuff like. I remember watching some shows where Nickelodeon yeah, it's like the Rugrats. Yeah, yeah, so. I remember stuff like that, but Disney-wise.
Lisa:See, I remember like Fraggle Rock was a Disney one, wasn't it? Like I know, it's a Jim Henson show. I would think it was Disney, but anyways, regardless, you don't remember Fraggle Rock? Oh no. It's definitely the 80s, but I'm going to say Disney Channel. Okay.
Lisa:Because for me again, I think it goes back to the age difference. By the time, like Nickelodeon like was a thing, I was older and like kind of past that shit. But I remember like every Sunday night after dinner, before bed, we sat and watched the Disney movie at six oh my god do you know what I mean?
Josh:yeah, but you know, I just hit me. You know what cartoon I absolutely love the little freaking ducks, the kids oh, oh yeah, yes Duck, yes DuckTales. Ducktales yeah, that's Disney, no.
Lisa:Yeah, it's DuckTales, because it's Donald Duck.
Josh:Yeah, right, donald Duck is Disney, right? Yeah, do they have that on Disney Plus?
Lisa:Yeah, no, they have it. Yes, they do Because the kids watch it.
Josh:The DuckTales that was. I loved that show so much. The adventures, yeah, the adventures and everything. Oh, that was the best. Um, are you afraid of the dark versus goosebumps?
Lisa:I'm gonna say goosebumps same hands down and like, did you read the books?
Josh:oh, you weren't really a big I read a little bit of the books, yeah, but like you know, I had them.
Lisa:I don't know if I read them but yeah, those were, those were my favorite yeah, well, I love the show.
Josh:Yeah, the show. The goosebumps yeah, they, they had them on ytv sometimes. And uh, yeah, after school okay, see, I didn't.
Lisa:I wasn't so much into that. It was definitely the books for me.
Josh:No, it was awesome, but have you seen the recent Goosebumps? Shows. No, they still do it.
Lisa:They reinvented it a little. Listen, watched it with Riley. I was like this shit is good. I know they're probably marketing towards kids, obviously, or tweens, teens, but I was like this is pretty good.
Josh:Damn. Yeah, I didn't even know they remade or they started making them again.
Lisa:Neither did I, and then I just we happened to come across actually I think Riley mentioned it I was like oh, goosebumps. I was like huh, because we got them all the books.
Josh:I used to love the fancy books, like because Goosebumps was always prickly there on the book. I think that's why I bought them. I don't think it was to read them.
Lisa:You're so funny, that's hilarious. Okay, so now we're going to take it to our Dear. Whatever letter. Okay are you ready. Do you want to read our first letter?
Josh:Sure.
Lisa:Go for it.
Josh:Dear sibling. Whatever. My brother and I have totally different memories of our parents' divorce. He remembers it as peaceful and mature. I remember it as a screaming match and moving into grandma's house with nothing but a trash bag of clothes. Now, as adults, he says I'm making it more dramatic than it was and I say he's ignoring the trauma. It's causing real tension, especially around family holidays or when our kids ask questions. How do you navigate conflicting childhood memories without discrediting each other or rewriting the past? Oh. Holy shit, are we freaking therapists now?
Lisa:No, not in the least. Okay. But we're going to try to give our opinions at least. All right. Try to help. So I'm feeling the feels. Try to help. So I'm feeling the feels. I feel very like, sad for this, for this person. Hmm.
Lisa:That could be very traumatic. I'm trying to think of something that, like I'm sure there are things that we both live through, so like there's the event and then there's your perception and my perception, and like what we each take away from it. Right, and it's so funny. There have been times over the years where, like, we'll be discussing something from the past, whatever it is, and I'll look at you and I'll be be like how the hell did you get that from that?
Josh:do you know what I mean?
Lisa:it's just like, did we even grow up in the same house? Like what, it's so funny how that happens I don't know why.
Josh:Well, it's like that it's because the perception is different. Also, like this question also depends on the age difference. Are they the same age? Are they not the same age?
Lisa:Yeah.
Josh:Because that can impact the perception Right.
Lisa:Yeah.
Josh:I think regardless, though I think that I always hated that little comment, you know, I think you're making it more dramatic than it was.
Lisa:Oh yes.
Josh:So I feel like I guess you know, I understand that it's a sibling and obviously we care about our siblings, but for me, you know, you can't, you know, take it to heart what they feel and their perception of what happened or control it Exactly. So then it is what it is, you know, and whatever they say to you about how you should feel or shouldn't feel, I mean you know, that I take with a grain of salt.
Lisa:Yeah, I think this day and age we should stop telling people how to feel, or stop telling them that their feelings are not valid. Like enough already.
Josh:Yeah, I think we're all guilty of doing that at some point.
Lisa:Absolutely, absolutely we are, but yeah, but let's take a step back and start like it's. We don't have to agree on things for me to appreciate the fact that you can feel how you feel. And I'm sure, I hope you feel the same about me. So it's kind of like I don't know I'm going to side with our, our, our writer here. Yeah. If there is a side to take, you know, but how, how would we? What would we? What kind of advice would we offer?
Josh:I guess I would say that it sounds, at least from the letter, like this person is not expressing to the brother how it's making them feel. And so I think you know, if I had to guess I could be totally wrong. But I guess my perception is, if I had to guess, the brother is probably older. And you know he's saying he remembers it as peaceful and mature, blah, blah, blah. And you know he's saying he remembers it as peaceful and mature, blah, blah, blah. And you know now, as adults, you know he says that, you know you're making it more dramatic than it was.
Lisa:And it's causing tension.
Josh:So I mean, you know, I don't know, I guess this is not like a big deal for me. So like, if this is causing tension, like if this is causing tension, we've got problems. You know, we've got problems out there, like I mean, I mean this can't be the only thing there's got to be more to it.
Josh:Yeah, I, yeah. I mean that wholeheartedly. Of course I don't mean disrespect, I just mean, if this is something that is, you know, having real tension towards family holidays, you know, when our kids ask questions or this or that, I mean you know there's, there's gotta be a lot more going on there.
Lisa:I think so too.
Josh:Um, and, and you know, maybe, like when the kids are asking questions or you know, talk to your sibling and maybe have like a setup or you know something like okay, by the way, like I understand, you know you, you think this way, I think that way. Like I understand, you know you, you think this way, I think that way. But if the kids are saying this, let's tell them, like what you know, just some kind of connection so that you know there's not this. You say something and then the other, uh, the other sibling is like no, that never happened, or whatever, and yeah, and then it just gets out of hand.
Lisa:Right yeah. And if this is in fact the only thing and we're wrong, there's not more to it, then, like I mean, I'm going to just pull something out of the old Lisa hat, which is avoidance is key, oh jeez. You know what I mean, like maybe just don't talk about it, then you know yeah. And when the kids bring it up say you know what it's in the past, we're going to keep it in the past and leave it at that. Yeah.
Lisa:Like agree to disagree and move on, because for the I mean moving on.
Josh:I think is important because I guess for me I can't think that far in advance. Yeah, I think about today, not like, oh boy, next week we're going to this thing and we're going to talk about.
Lisa:Oh, my God Josh.
Josh:Like I can't do that.
Lisa:I'm the opposite. I've planned three years in advance.
Josh:Well, I mean, it took a lot of time for me to be able to do that, yeah, but you know, now it's a lot more peaceful. So I think that that's part of it. It's about finding your peace, and the way you find your peace is to not think about these conversations and it's to just kind of go with the flow. And sibling happens to say something. It's like you could look at it two different ways you can bicker and argue about it, or you can smile and say that's how you feel Cool and move on.
Lisa:All right, Well, disclaimer we are not therapists. But, this is our opinions.
Josh:And good luck. Mess up some people.
Lisa:I hope not. Please tune in again, josh. I hope not. Please tune in again, josh. Do you remember mom or dad ever telling you or us something terrifying, just to make us behave?
Josh:I feel like, yes, I remember, but it's just I don't know if I have it in my head to remember, but yes, I remember there was some like little terrifying little like oh my gosh, you know, kind of things. Um, that weren't true, um, but yeah, no, I, I agree there's.
Lisa:There's gotta be some out there. But I'm going to just refresh your memory. And this will bring up a whole flood of emotions. I'm sure the wooden spoon Right. So they didn't tell. Well, they did tell us it was do I have to get the wooden spoon? That was the trigger. Yeah. Do you remember what you felt every time you heard that, and when did you stop caring, if you did?
Josh:I don't remember.
Lisa:No.
Josh:I don't remember. I remember the wooden spoon, but I remember mom wooden spoon.
Lisa:But I remember mom used to keep it very handy. Yeah, oh shit, yeah, yeah, I was terrified of that. I was terrified of that. That brings up like that brings up some shit for me, honestly. Yeah, I think that's why I'm, I'm the good one, the listen you know and be good like, do what you're told and like you know so you're yeah right, but it could also be quite the opposite with that in what way? What do you mean?
Josh:well, if you're saying like, you know threats or, or, or you know usage of the wooden spoon, I mean that can go 50, 50. Yeah. You have people where you hear it all the time where they're like, you know, like, oh, I turned out fine, you know, like, because I was disciplined or whatever. And then you have others that were like little shits because of that, you know. So it's like a 50-50.
Lisa:I guess. So yeah. So I ended up in the first batch, which is you know, and for the longest time I did kind of like say exactly that, which is well, like we got spanked and I turned out just fine, right. And then you hit 40 and go down this like childhood trauma rabbit hole and you're like, oh wait a second, I'm actually not fucking fine. Yeah, well.
Lisa:Does that have anything to do with it? No, maybe not. Who knows? But all I know is that when I had my first kid, the very first thing that I thought of when I was thinking of parenting styles was I'm not going to fucking hit my kid, there's going to be no wooden spoon in my house. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, so clearly. It affected me enough that that was the very clearly the number one thing that I was like never happening in my house, you know.
Josh:Yeah, I think. I think, as time went on, things changed and evolved. Things changed and evolved and, you know, we realized that positive reinforcement was a big factor in learning. Well, what do?
Lisa:you learn when you're afraid all the time.
Josh:Well, you learn to. You know, not fuck up.
Lisa:There you go Right.
Josh:Right, but it's a different form of that.
Lisa:Like you know, it's not the same thing, so so oh, yay, so as we, I guess, uh, I guess I'm the one with all the trauma and you can't remember shit well, that that could be.
Josh:That could be trauma, in a nutshell, right there there you go.
Lisa:Actually, you're right, I shouldn't, I shouldn't, joke about that I've always had issues with past memories.
Josh:For some reason okay but definitely this past year, I've kind of developed this whole thing of like the moment tomorrow and the moment yesterday is over, like like you died, you're done like the day's over. It's like you died, you're done Like the day's over, it's gone, it doesn't exist anymore. And so I've been trying it's so hard, but I've been trying to kind of have that mindset so tomorrow doesn't exist yet You're not born yesterday, you died. The only moment you have is the present, right now. This is the only time you're alive, right, you know?
Lisa:That's an amazing sorry, were you done or did you want to?
Josh:finish your thought. No, go ahead.
Lisa:That's amazing. I love that thought process right. Mm-hmm. But where does learning something and growing something fit in there?
Josh:Because if tomorrow's dead no no, no, yesterday was dead.
Lisa:Or whatever. Sorry, yesterday is dead.
Josh:Tomorrow. You're just not born yet.
Lisa:Okay, but if yesterday's dead and it's like it's done, you can't think about it, you can't change anything. Where does like learning, like learning lessons, learning from your mistakes? Where does that fit in?
Josh:Well, it doesn't mean that you're not taking something away.
Lisa:Oh, okay, right Okay.
Josh:It just means that you know yesterday is over, like whatever happened that day, whatever is negative that people bring in to the next day, so it's like holding on to things. Yeah.
Lisa:As opposed to learning something.
Josh:Learning something is something completely different and having goals doesn't mean that you don't think about the possibility of goals you know in the future. What it means is that you don't think about you know, I'm going to be happy when I have this. Or. I'm going to be happy once I have X, y, z taken care of, or I achieve this goal, or whatever. Okay, so it's a lot more thinking of, just like the now concept.
Lisa:Okay, right, I understand.
Josh:But you still have goals, you still learn. It's like being born every day, but you have the knowledge of what you learned the day before.
Lisa:Right.
Josh:Right, it just means that you don't carry over the burden.
Lisa:Yeah, like you're not holding onto grudges, you're not bringing in the negative self-talk oh, yesterday was such a bad day.
Josh:Okay, how was? How was your day? Uh, how was your week? Oh, yesterday was so bad. You know, I had this happen to me and, oh, you know, and dah, dah, dah, dah. And now, all of a sudden, you're living the next day, which has nothing to do with yesterday anymore, and all you're thinking about is how negative it was and how bad it was, and you think that you're going to be productive that day with that thought process.
Josh:yeah, right yeah so I guess the way I look at it is that it just it's not logical to you really have to be in tune then. Well, it's hard Like truly it must be, it's a process. It must be, and I'm nowhere near perfected it, but I try.
Lisa:Well, that's really. Sometimes we have these like little tidbit conversations and I'm like in awe of you sometimes, you know.
Josh:No, I'm serious. Why?
Lisa:I'm just like I don't know, Because I guess maybe in some way I still think of you as like my little brother.
Josh:I am.
Lisa:You know what I mean. Like the little brother, you know that's annoying me all the time and shit. And I'm like oh man, he actually has like like really fucking good thoughts and like a great like perspective on things. And it's just it's nice.
Josh:I think I owe it to you know the philosophies and everything that I've been into in the past year. You know, yeah, yeah. Wow. Like now I'm getting into Japanese philosophy.
Lisa:Really. Unbelievable Is that on is is Tao.
Josh:Taoism.
Lisa:Taoism. Is that Japanese or no?
Josh:Oh, it's more Chinese.
Lisa:Okay, um which?
Josh:which, which I'm like that If I had to say something that I am like, it's definitely that.
Lisa:Taoism.
Josh:Yeah, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know 100%. And then there's just other things that like are just added to it, that like complete the circle, kind of thing. That's so cool Right.
Lisa:Yeah, so and yeah. So what's Japanese?
Josh:Oh, like Bushido, and you know just the way of the warrior, oh, and just the. You know the way they think and so on. It's really incredible their philosophies. They really are. They're so honorable.
Lisa:I know right.
Josh:You know, like you ever hear those like on TV or movies. You know where they like take the sword and they like cut open their. You know, but it's like when you learn about why they do it.
Lisa:Well, yeah, it's all about honor yeah, it's, it's incredible yeah it's incredible.
Josh:So, um, yeah, I'm learning about, you know, and zen, like zen, that's japanese, so you know learning about that a little bit too, along with buddhism, confucianism. It it's a lot of fun, and all of this to say that it really intrigues me, you know, like I'm pretty sure in a past life I must have been in some way, shape or form, in that kind of situation. Yeah, yeah, because it's too close to home for me to think you know like why.
Lisa:That it's just random or something.
Josh:Yeah that, it's just random. Yeah so so for sure, you know, I must've been a monk in my previous life, or something.
Lisa:Josh the monk. Yeah, all right. So, josh, now we're going to do our flashback debate. Okay, are you ready for this? We're going to dredge up an old memory and we're going to ask you, the audience, to let us know who you believe. Side with me, side with me.
Josh:That just shows you're guilty.
Lisa:Shut up, okay. Okay, so we're each gonna have 20 seconds to give our side of the story. Okay, you first me. First. Josh went out when he wasn't supposed to go out. It doesn't matter what he was doing or who he was doing it with. Mom said he was not allowed to do it and he went and he did it. Mom caught him. He blames me, says that I was the snitch. Okay, I was not the snitch. He just doesn't know how to fucking lie, okay. Okay.
Josh:Go okay, okay, go. Literally walked across the street to get a super nintendo game, came back into my house to play this said super nintendo game and then parents got home I was already in bed. Mom comes up to me, wakes me up and says where is the game? And I'm like what, what are you talking about? And I just see Lisa in the background. She's like I just couldn't. I had to tell her. I had to tell her, josh, and I was like come on, what a rat.
Josh:Completely ratted out her brother yeah, yeah, yeah, I never said that, and now so the point of the story is is that I exited the house where we had no technology, so there's no way that the parents you know saw a camera or something you know well, it's the 90s. Of course we didn't have technology and, and you know, I was just sleeping minding my own business, and boom, my parents came home and right away it was where's the game? And I was grounded.
Lisa:And here's the thing. Okay, mom, and you cannot deny this, mom has this otherworldly, otherworldly like sixth sense. She can look at you with the eyes and just know when you're lying. Okay, I actually did tell her. No, he didn't leave and all she did was look at me, went in your room, asked you and you copped to it if you had stuck to your story, we would not be having this conversation.
Josh:No way.
Lisa:And I swear to God she knows things.
Josh:All this to say is that I would not rob a bank with my sister because I would probably go to jail 19,.
Lisa:What was it? What year is this? What year? 94?, 94?, 93?, like fucking 30 years later, you know.
Josh:So who's right?
Lisa:And by the way this story still comes up, at Christmas, of course, every fucking year.
Josh:Of course. So who's right? Lisa the snitch or Josh the conspiracy theorist, apparently?
Lisa:I take offense to that name. Oh, my goodness you are a terrible liar, my friend oh yeah, okay, okay. Okay, okay. So let's do a little pop culture rewind to end this episode. Okay, little pop culture rewind to end this episode. Okay, 1989. Paul Abdul had a number one song Cold Hearted. Do you remember Paul Abdul?
Josh:Kinda from freaking American Idol.
Lisa:I know right Movie was Parenthood with Steve Martin. Game Boy was released that year? Oh, no way. The debut of the Simpsons. Oh damn 1989, my friend Windbreakers. Oh shit, Do you remember where you were in 1989? How old were you? Five?
Josh:I don't remember shit.
Lisa:That was the year that we went to Cuba. Do you remember that?
Josh:Cuba. I mean, I remember the pictures of me like on the horse.
Lisa:Oh, that's so sad that, like your memories, you don't actually have the memories. No, like if you were never shown a picture, you don't actually have the memories.
Josh:No, like if you were never shown a picture you would never know. I do remember picking up a log and having these prickly things all over my hand and some person started taking off the prickly things off me and then they were on him.
Lisa:Oh.
Josh:I remember that.
Lisa:In Cuba. I think it was Cuba Wow wow maybe it wasn't cuba do you remember the little puppies?
Josh:oh my god, yes, yeah, the little babies. Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.
Lisa:And the chef is the only dog that I ever petted the little puppies yeah, I remember that oh man, those were the good old days. I don't remember too much in terms of pop culture, like obviously I know who Paula Abdul is and stuff and I know Parenthood, the movie now, but at the time we didn't like really listen or watch that stuff but like tie, dye, jeans, you know the high, like the high hair, all that stuff like I remember I got my first perm around like yeah, 89, 89, 90 around there.
Lisa:It was horrible. I don't know what I wanted what, what mom was thinking letting me have a perm, but anyway, and that's how you turn childhood dysfunction into YouTube content. If you related to any of this, congratulations. You've survived the 90s too.
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