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The Dark Side of HUSTLE Culture: Work Life Balance is BULLSHIT

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Did having it all actually just mean running on empty for 30 years straight? This question hits at the heart of our exploration into the Gen X hustle myth and why an entire generation traded play for productivity.

Growing up watching parents with incredible work ethics – showing up despite injuries, never taking mental health days – shaped how many of us approach success and self-worth today. We unpack whether this mindset prepared us or ultimately drained us, examining the complicated relationship between achievement and wellbeing.

Many listeners will recognize themselves in our conversation about being "the reliable one" who overachieves for everyone else while neglecting their own needs. We dive into why rest feels like failure and how the programming that "doing nothing equals laziness" continues to drive burnout cycles decades later.

The episode takes fascinating turns through comparisons between our childhood experiences with report cards and how we're approaching our own children's education differently. We debate mental health days (which weren't an option growing up), share personal stories about school struggles, and reflect on how parenting offers a chance to break unhealthy patterns.

Through games like "This or That" (workaholic identity or quiet quitting champion? proving my worth or protecting my peace?), we reveal the evolution many are experiencing from "I'll sleep when I'm dead" to "I'll rest so I don't die."

If you're canceling afternoon plans just from thinking about these topics – you're not alone. This episode validates what so many are feeling: you're not lazy for needing rest, you're human. And when someone praises you for doing it all, we give you permission to say, "Cool, I'd like to do less."

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Josh:

Quick question did having it all actually just mean running on empty for 30 years straight?

Lisa:

Because somewhere between gold stars and side hustles, we traded play for productivity and started calling burnout a personality trait.

Josh:

Today we are unpacking the Gen X hustle myth and we've got five segments that hit a little too hard.

Lisa:

From trophy shelves and burnout badges to the stress of being the good kid who never learned how to rest and a listener letter about a sibling who won't stop weaponizing their success.

Josh:

Plus, we'll rewind to November 1998, when Lisa was 20 and spiraling into early adulthood. I was 14, with a mustache no one asked for and aerosmith was crying on the radio for both of us if your to-do list is longer than your will to live, you are not alone.

Lisa:

Let's get into it. All right, josh, our 90s mystery question Did overachieving in the 90s prepare us or ruin us? Define? Overachieving doing well the good grades, the good behavior, the you know yeah working hard. If you think about and again, you might think of it differently, but when I look back at my childhood, early adulthood, I look at mom and dad as hustlers.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

Okay, they worked. They had a work ethic Like you show up to you. Know like dad went to work with like a broken toe? Yeah, Okay, Worked a whole day and then went to the hospital.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

Okay, like there was like this now people would say that's kind of toxic right.

Speaker 3:

Sure.

Lisa:

You could look at it both ways.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

But like we grew up, we, like you, worked for what you had. But like we grew up, we, like you, worked for what you had. If you know you show up for work, sick or whatever, like just you, just you just did. You know there was no room for like mental health days like there is now.

Josh:

Yeah, I think, um, I think, I think in in that context, I think, um, I, you know, I don't know if anyone gets ruined from from this stuff, you know, I mean because when I look at my childhood, I think, at least in the sense of when I was starting to try and work or school, all of that stuff I definitely feel like I came out as a failure on on, you know, 95% of that era, you know. But I look at myself now and I think about all of that and you know, like for me, it and I think about all of that, and you know, like for me, I don't look at it like it ruined me. You know what I mean. So, even though I have the thought process of like it was all bad, I wasn't good enough, et cetera, et cetera, no, I don't think it ruined me at all. No, I don't think it ruined me at all.

Josh:

So I think there was some good values installed in the software and there were some bad ones and it took a little bit to get that out of the system and I'm sure there's still a couple viruses in there, or whatever. Hilarious metaphors.

Josh:

It's all's all you know. I don't know again, perspective, I guess yeah, but you know, I don't. I don't compare myself anymore to how I was before. I do think that because of certain things, it made me who I am today, but at the end of the day I think it it. It doesn't come from anyone else, comes from us, you know. So, regardless of how I was treated or what happened or what they did or who did what or whatever, you know, it's not anyone's fault, you know, and it's it's just my responsibility to fix it or to figure out what I need to do, um, to move forward you know, so you know, I could just as like an example.

Josh:

You know like, uh, someone will complain to me about how, um, their parents were alcoholics and it ruined their childhood, and you know they were in a group home and this and that, and so it's just, I don't know it's so negative and they talk about it and about where they are now. But sometimes you hear great stories where it's like this happened. I said fuck you, and I became, you know, successful, successful or whatever, and it's like, yeah, great. But then you have the ones where it's like this is why I'm the way I am. You know it's because of that and and for me, I don't know, it's a little bit of an eye roller now I guess my old age, you know, like now I'm, so it's like it's your responsibility to fix that. It's not their fault anymore.

Lisa:

Oh, hands down, yes, I have.

Josh:

So sorry Okay go ahead. I guess, to summarize your question, I think it prepared us Me. I don't think it ruined me. I think if I were to say that what happened in the 90s ruined me, then that would be saying like this podcast wouldn't exist right now. Yeah, so it's. It's kind of a you know a big question to say did it ruin us?

Lisa:

No, you know, Well, I share some of those opinions and I disagree with some of those opinions, or maybe not disagree, but have a different perspective. So I think that there was a lot of a certain kind of mentality growing up in which how I absorbed it made me very codependent in a way, like I'm always looking at how I can help somebody else as opposed to helping myself over the years put myself on the back burner. Of course, all of this comes to the surface as you get older and you're evaluating who you are and you know midlife stuff right.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

So for the first I'm going to say 40 years of my life, I would look at it the exact same way, and I still do. I look at my childhood and think there was some great fucking lessons that I learned there. You know what I mean, Even the tough stuff, right, the not so fun stuff. But I don't.

Lisa:

And when I think of overachieving, I think I overachieved at being great for everybody else but not myself. Because when I look realistically at what I've achieved with my life, I didn't put any effort into me. Really, I didn't think that I mattered enough to put any effort into, and so therefore I didn't try. And so I don't think I overachieved at anything other than being great for other people. And so and I think a lot of people can relate to that I can't be the only one in this world that thinks that way. But now that I'm aware of that, I don't blame mom and dad in the least, Like I mean, as parents, we're just doing the best we fucking can, right, Like I get that. But I think the mentality then versus now is very different. Does that make sense?

Josh:

Yeah, it makes sense. I'm kind of like I don't feel like I'm making sense, but but I feel like you're saying the same thing as me.

Lisa:

Well, I didn't say, you didn't say anything about your childhood.

Josh:

Well, I said it was a big failure, right.

Lisa:

Oh, okay.

Josh:

So I'm, you know, because overachieving was impossible for me, Right so? But I'm not saying that that ruined me.

Lisa:

No, it didn't ruin me, right? Yeah, it didn't ruin me.

Josh:

So then, did it prepare you or did it ruin you?

Lisa:

I think I think it prepared me for this second half of my life.

Josh:

Right.

Lisa:

To be better, but to appreciate it.

Speaker 3:

Right.

Lisa:

Because at that time I don't even think I would have appreciated it.

Josh:

Mm-hmm. You know, through everything you found out or you realize that it's not the responsibility of them to make things right.

Lisa:

It's our responsibility to well, at a certain point you've got to stop blaming the other person right and look at yourself in a way.

Josh:

Exactly Right.

Lisa:

Yeah, it's also fucking complicated eh. Well, you know when you think about it sometimes it's just like man, it's like the hardest job and nobody like you just get to take this little kid home, this little baby home from the hospital, and it's like you're responsible for everything. It's like how do you not fuck up in some way, shape or form?

Josh:

I remember when I was a new parent and I would think I have to do this and I have to do that, and like I got to make sure that. You know, like everything was perfect and my kid has to have this and I want to save up and get him to go to a private school and I want to make sure I can do this and do that, and we obviously always want the best for our kids. But I think, you know, I realized that you know, regardless of what you do, it doesn't have to be perfect and you know they will be grateful for what they have and it's all about perspective.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Josh:

And you have kids who have absolutely nothing and they're the happiest kids in the world, and then you have kids that have everything and they're fucking miserable. So I mean, I think I just learned that the more you give, the more they will want to take, because they're children and I'm trying to, you know, have a little bit more of a clear life that you know, I want them to have everything, but I don't have to provide, you know, everything.

Lisa:

It's okay for them to struggle a little and get.

Josh:

Yeah, like I think they should be hungry.

Lisa:

Earn something. Yeah, a little bit.

Josh:

You know, I think they should be hungry. If they're not hungry, then they just get stuff whenever they want, and so, yeah, I don't know.

Lisa:

Anyways, off topic now, yeah, we could like go totally Talk about this forever. Okay, this or that I'm gonna start.

Josh:

okay, okay, honor roll bumper sticker or a detention regular detention regular, because that's what I was same, same, I was never on the honor roll well, yeah, okay, like I would be on the honor roll. Well, yeah, okay, like I would be on the honor roll.

Lisa:

Oh my God, stop Having it all versus having no energy. Well, like I mean.

Speaker 3:

I guess I would rather have it all.

Lisa:

Well my reality is I have no energy.

Josh:

Yeah, that's it, Because you could. You probably want an honor roll bumper too.

Lisa:

Well, yeah, if you could? Yeah, I'd rather you know what, like though yeah, I think it goes back to what you were saying Having it all. Sometimes it's like if you're used to having it all, then you want it all.

Josh:

Yeah.

Lisa:

All the time.

Josh:

That's it.

Lisa:

It's like I'd rather sometimes you know, yeah, I'm good uh, workaholic identity or quiet quitting champion workaholic identity yeah, I figured that much about you, that's for sure. Why do you think that is?

Josh:

why am I like?

Lisa:

that, yeah, but think about it. It goes kind of ties into what we were talking about earlier. Both of us never really tried in high school, right, or in school in general right, like we never really tried Right, but we work our fucking asses off. Why couldn't we try harder for school? It's the same Like you get better grades, you get a better education, you get a better job. Why, where's the disconnect for us?

Josh:

Well, we didn't have the right tools.

Lisa:

I guess, you know, yeah.

Josh:

And there's a difference between doing something you love. You know it's easy for me to work hard.

Lisa:

Because you're doing something you love.

Josh:

That's it.

Lisa:

Okay, yeah.

Josh:

Proving my worth versus protecting my peace.

Lisa:

Ooh, I'm kind of straddling both right now, yeah, but interestingly enough, proving my worth to myself, protecting my peace for myself, as opposed to maybe a few years ago, would have been proving my worth to you or to whoever, and protecting my peace wasn't even on the fucking board. So it's it's. It's, it's more me now, but both. What about you?

Josh:

Old Josh definitely proving my worth Me now absolutely 100% protecting my peace. So that's all I care about.

Lisa:

Extra credit or a class clown.

Josh:

Class clown dropout. That's literally what I was class clown, class clown dropout.

Lisa:

That's literally what I was Class clown.

Josh:

So mental load martyr or calendar ghoster.

Lisa:

I was the mental load martyr. Still am in a few ways, but I'm getting better. What about you?

Josh:

I don't know.

Lisa:

I feel like you're the calendar ghoster.

Speaker 3:

Probably.

Lisa:

Kind of you know calendar ghoster.

Speaker 3:

Probably Kind of you know yeah.

Lisa:

Yeah, yeah, okay, an early riser or a nap at three.

Josh:

Early riser.

Lisa:

I'm a nap at three.

Josh:

I mean sometimes I'll still nap at three, Doing the most versus doing just enough.

Lisa:

It depends. I'm going to cop out and say both, depending on what it is.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, same.

Lisa:

I'll sleep when I'm dead or I'll rest, so I don't die.

Josh:

I think now it's I'll rest, so I don't die, yes, same.

Josh:

Yeah, I think I had very much that mindset when I was creating my business, which was what did I used to say? There was a saying um, work like most people won't, so you can have the life like most people can't, and so it was always that mindset of like, work, work, work, build, build, build. And yeah, yeah, now not so much, yeah, not so much. But that's the point of youth. Youth is about taking risk and working your ass off and building something, if that's your calling, so that you know you're in a place, as you get older, where things become a lot easier. Not that my life's easier, but anyways, that was the goal, right?

Lisa:

Yeah.

Josh:

But you know there's also some negatives to that, like you don't have many friends in my line of work entrepreneur-wise, you know. Like, sure, there's probably things I could have done to balance it better maybe, but it still wouldn't have. Let me gone full force, right? So it all depends.

Lisa:

Yeah, dear, whatever letter. So this week I'm going to read it.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Lisa:

It says dear sibling, whatever. I'm a 43-year-old woman who's so tired of doing it all. I used to pride myself on being the reliable one, the high achiever, the one people counted on, but lately I fantasize about disappearing from every group chat and just resting. Why does rest feel like failure?

Josh:

Well, I mean, you know, rest feels like failure because you're not allowed in your mind.

Lisa:

Yeah. Right, so you have this thing about how you just have to keep going right. There's always something to do, always somebody to help.

Josh:

There's always something to do, always somebody to help, etc. Yeah, and then if someone sees you resting on your loins, then you are lazy, Right, yeah, You're lazy. Oh my gosh, what are you doing? You're not even doing anything. You know, that's the mindset I have. I I find that it's very difficult for me to do nothing. You know getting better, but I find it's very difficult because it always comes off as lazy, you know. So always has to do something. So I kind of relate to that.

Lisa:

You know, I'm sitting here thinking like I actually think it's very easy for me to do nothing. It's not like a desire, it's a necessity, like my nothing is always at the end where I literally can't move anymore does that make sense?

Lisa:

and so I kind of I kind of relate to this to this listener that sent in this letter. It's kind of like hmm, yeah, you know, like I'm always the one doing something, people count on me I have, like you know, and then resting, resting is only like the the worst, like the the not the worst case scenario, but like the last resort. You know what I mean yeah so I don't know.

Lisa:

I'm going to say then just do it. What's the worst thing that can happen if you actually rest and, like you said, disappear from the group chat?

Josh:

Yeah, I guess it depends on who's judging you and why you feel like it matters so much. Yeah, right, and why you feel like it matters so much. Yeah, right. So if someone's judging you, then maybe the question is you know. The question isn't you know why does rest feel like failure? Maybe it's you know why am I subjecting myself to this person who's making me feel like this? So that might be the better thought. And sometimes it's you feel like this.

Lisa:

So that might be the better thought, and sometimes it's it's, it's you.

Josh:

Yeah, yeah.

Lisa:

Maybe sometimes it's not even outside. It could be you yourself. There's something within you that's like judging you, for I say, I say do it, and the more that you do it, the easier it gets, and the more that you do it, the better you feel about yourself, and the more confident you are, the more you can then establish a healthier boundary between work and rest.

Josh:

Very true, very true, good point.

Lisa:

Childhood trauma question. Report card days oh god growing up back in the day when it wasn't electric, electric, electronic. You know when you would like your parents just get it in the in their email that you had to get signed by somebody. Did you ever get a report card like that you signed for mom or dad? No, like fake signed, no, no.

Speaker 3:

No.

Lisa:

I was too scared to do that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

I was too scared to do a lot of things. I was just a scaredy cat. Yeah, I don't remember report cards in elementary school so much, but high school I remember a little bit more and there wasn't necessarily like a fear, it was just kind of like eh, here we go again. You know, I didn't care, I got good enough grades that it wasn't. It was like maybe 60s and 70s and I think mom and dad just kind of were like you could do better? Yeah, but I don't want to.

Josh:

Yeah, no, for me, I don't know, it was always a mess.

Lisa:

But I don't remember them being strict in the sense of like this is your homework time and get your homework done and sit there like no, I mean I remember that a little bit.

Josh:

There was eras or moments where that there was that. But you know, I, from very young I mean I failed everything all the time, you know. So it was very tough when I had to come. I think I did summer school every year until I dropped out. I mean yeah.

Lisa:

Yeah.

Josh:

So it was never a fun moment when it came to giving grades to them.

Speaker 3:

Oh, that sucks.

Lisa:

What about your kids now? When you get the report cards now for your kids?

Josh:

I don't give a fuck.

Lisa:

Right, I care, but I approach it in the sense of I know what you're struggling with, what you're not, what you're capable of, what you're not. I by no means expect perfection, no, but I do expect effort. That's how I look at it. But effort changes depending on which child I'm talking to. Do you know what I mean? Maybe that?

Speaker 3:

in and of itself isn't fair?

Lisa:

I don't know. No, not necessarily, but I know what I mean. Maybe that in and of itself isn't fair. I don't know. No not necessarily, but I know what their strengths are. Yeah, exactly.

Josh:

So no, I just mean I don't give a shit if you know it's bad or something. I'm not going to do anything, I know what you meant, and when they need help, you know. If I can, I'm there.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

Try to get them a tutor or whatever it is that they need help with.

Speaker 3:

That's it.

Lisa:

Yeah, just give them the tools that they need, right.

Josh:

Yeah, yeah, I'm like super not, you know, pro school. So like I'm, I'm like the worst parent to talk to about this, you know, I mean well, you didn't have the best experience, Josh, so it makes complete sense. I had zero good experience. I don't truly feel like anything helped me where I am today. You know.

Lisa:

Yeah.

Josh:

You know, granted, some of the damn teachers these days, man, wow, you know, like with my son and stuff, like I can't.

Lisa:

Just this is incredible but like now it feels like the way they're teaching the things that they, how they're teaching the things that they, how they approach teaching is, I'm not saying perfect, but it's very different from the way it was when we were kids.

Lisa:

Like now they have standing desks, they have, like you know, those yoga balls that, like, because kids learn different ways, like my kids, they need to be fucking moving. Like they can't even sit still at the dinner table. Do you know what I mean? They're always standing and moving and it's you said, you know like, you kind of like in this mentality, this old school mentality sometimes, of like, just fucking sit down, sit still and eat, good, but then you're like, but what does it matter really at the end of the day? Okay, like, if that's what they need to finish eating, then I guess that's okay. I don't know, maybe we'll just have a bunch of in 20 years from now, we'll just have a bunch of grownups, you know, like, standing at the table instead of sitting because nobody can sit and eat. I don't know, but it's just, it's really cool that they have all of these extra resources and schools and stuff.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

So it's really every kid. You still have to fight a little, but every kid can get the resources that they want For sure. Or need, sorry yeah.

Speaker 3:

So true, and I like that.

Lisa:

I like that Flashback debate. Sorry, yeah, and I like that. I like that Flashback debate, josh, mental health days were not a thing when we were growing up. So every once in a while my kids will come up to me and say, can I just have a day at home Like I need a mental health day? I started, I started. I was just like I feel like I feel like I kind of started that one and, uh, kind of regretting it. I don't know if I don't know if that was the smartest move on my part, but that is something that they throw at me every once in a while and I can't help but understand. God, don't we all just want a fucking mental health day sometimes?

Josh:

I'm sure, I'm sure.

Lisa:

What do you mean? You're sure You've never wanted to have a mental health day, I'm sure. What do you mean? You're sure You've never wanted to have a mental health day. You've never, ever, woken up and say I just can't today, I cannot do it, and you've canceled work.

Speaker 3:

No.

Josh:

No way, I don't think I've had that luxury. You know like I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Lisa:

Yeah, or do you think it's a man thing?

Josh:

No, I don't think so. I don't think it's a man thing. I know lots of guys who you know talk about like mental health days and stuff like that, and I think it's not talked about enough. I guess I mean more like I never had the luxury of doing that, meaning I had to work or else. So to have a mental health day would mean less money or not being able to pay that bill on time, so it's like I didn't have the luxury of having a mental health day.

Lisa:

That must be tough sometimes.

Josh:

It is. But I realize that it made me so strong in so many ways where I've had a lot of shit thrown at me in my life, in my personal life, where I had to, you know, grind my teeth and get up and go to work. Knowing all of this shit is like exploding in the background and just work because I didn't have the luxury of being able to just say fuck it. So for me, you know, yeah, that's how I look at it.

Lisa:

Yeah, I don't even think so. Yes, for sure, I don't think that was a thing growing up. It was especially like maybe there were parents out there that were like that, but I think our parents with the hustle mentality and the work and all that stuff, they were not like no, you have sniffles Like go to fucking school.

Josh:

You know what I mean.

Lisa:

So I ended up like skipping school more than anything, that's, of course, high school.

Josh:

I think you doing the mental health days with your kids is a good thing, Because you know, think about it for a second. Why did you want to skip school? Why did you want to stay home sick?

Lisa:

Well, it could be various things it could be. You're just, you're just tired of like, I just don't want to think.

Josh:

And why would a kid do that?

Lisa:

It could also be drama with friends at school or whatever. Right, and the only way that you could escape it like now. That terrifies me. Now you can't even escape it Right At home, but um, that's a whole other podcast. But, those were things that reasons for that I wanted to stay home.

Josh:

Yeah, and then you were forced to go to school and then and then you ended up skipping school anyways.

Lisa:

Yeah. So you know walking around the mall.

Josh:

So what's better that your kids express these things to you so that it's right in front of your eyes, or so that they go to school and you don't know that they? No, I, I want to know so then, I think doing this, the mental health days with them, is a good thing yeah because you get more honesty out of them, right yeah so and it also teaches them that their feelings are valid.

Lisa:

Mm-hmm, you know what I mean? Yeah, they have an opinion.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Lisa:

They may not always get their way, but they have an opinion. They're allowed to vocalize it, you know, yeah. So Pop Culture Rewind, Josh.

Josh:

Mm 1998., you can't tell me, you don't remember 1998, a little bit all right.

Lisa:

The number one song I don't want to miss a thing by aerosmith I hated that song well, after the 30 000th time listening to it in a week, yeah, I kind of hated it.

Josh:

I can sing it right now. In every movie that song was playing too.

Lisa:

I know Well, no, it wasn't every movie, it was the movie, the Ben Affleck movie, which Armageddon, that movie, that played on the radio.

Speaker 3:

That's literally the movie I was thinking about. That's the movie, but it was on the radio all.

Lisa:

That's literally the movie I was thinking about. That's the movie, oh shit, but it was on the radio all the fucking time, which is why I never listen to the radio anymore.

Josh:

I forgot Ben Affleck was in that. You know who was in my head. What's his name? Bruce Willis.

Lisa:

Oh, ah yes, the 1980s action star.

Josh:

Yeah, but he was in. Armageddon. He was the dad.

Lisa:

He was. That's true. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Josh:

I was thinking about Bruce Willis.

Lisa:

I forgot that he was in that movie. Liv Tyler was the daughter slash love interest. Okay, top movie was A Bug's Life.

Josh:

I loved that movie.

Lisa:

I can't believe that came out in 98.

Josh:

Yeah, that was a good movie. Fuck, and that was good animation. We were in awe about the animation. Yes, it was so good.

Lisa:

I loved it. Power Puff Girls on the Cartoon Network Britney and Justin started dating God. What else the Y2K hype Butterfly Clips else the y2k hype butterfly clips? I remember like the late 90s, like um was buffy on at that time, I think. So I think it was 97.

Lisa:

She said it started, uh, but like I mean the aesthetic remember the drew barrymore bangs and the fucking like yeah, oh my God. And the dark lipstick. Oh, those were my days, man. I was like peak, I was like 20. I wish I could go back. Sometimes I wonder, like what would I do differently?

Speaker 3:

I would do some things differently, but not everything.

Lisa:

I missed it so much. What do you remember? 98. You were 15. No, 14. Oh God, we lived in. Okay, wait, 90,.

Josh:

yes, that year we lived in PEI. Oh, okay, so for me it was basketball was a big thing. So I was deep in basketball, um sports, you know you had a couple of friends.

Lisa:

I remember they were always over at the house. Yeah, what, um, speaking of school, did you feel differently about school in PEI?

Josh:

Well, I felt like a king when it came to the French.

Lisa:

It's true, eh, everybody was so like oh, you could speak French, you're hired.

Josh:

Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's true, and I remember. I wonder if it's the same now, though, like with that stigma, or if now, like everyone, speaks French there.

Lisa:

No, I doubt it.

Josh:

You know, but yeah, I do remember that, um, and they were like oh my gosh, your French is so good and I'm like you know, for once, you know something is good.

Lisa:

Um, you know.

Josh:

And then when I went back to Montreal, there were, you know, it was like you're French as shit.

Speaker 3:

I was like oh, fuck oh.

Josh:

Yeah, man, yeah, that was at least education-wise. That was the highlight in PEI. I was good in French, oh my.

Speaker 3:

God.

Lisa:

Oh shit, Did you like livingaving and pei?

Josh:

I did, I did, you know, I I think though it was um, maybe not, I was gonna say I. I feel like, because it's small, you had to really watch yourself, you know with what you did and who you did it with, because everybody knew everybody. Yeah, it was like having Facebook, because everyone knew everyone.

Lisa:

Yeah.

Josh:

So like you had to be very careful in that sense. You know, if you were in a fight and you got beaten up, it's like everyone and their mother would know. So it was like very difficult in some cases. Like that um versus like Montreal is just so many people right, like you're nobody in Montreal versus in PEI, you're somebody, kind of thing yeah so I feel like that was a big different difference in in the sense. So I don't know if I actually liked it more or less it was just different it was just different.

Josh:

Yeah, all right, that's our take on burnout hustle and why gen x might be the most tired generation alive if you're canceling your afternoon plans just from listening same, you're not lazy, you're just done. And if someone praises you for doing it all, feel free to respond with Cool. I'd like to do less.

Lisa:

There's more nostalgia and emotional damage where that came from, so stick around.

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