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Friendship Fades: Were 90s Connections Real or Just Convenient?

• Real Talk, Zero Chill. • Season 2 • Episode 3

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We dive into the evolution of friendships from childhood to adulthood, questioning whether our 90s connections were genuinely deep or merely convenient based on proximity. Through personal stories and listener questions, we explore how friendship dynamics shift over time and what it takes to maintain meaningful connections when they're no longer built into our daily routines.

• Examining the nature of childhood friendships and how they were largely determined by physical proximity
• Contrasting male and female friendship dynamics - girls shared everything while boys kept emotions guarded
• Discussing how "ride or die" high school friendships naturally evolve as life circumstances change
• Exploring the concept of "Frentimacy" and why we don't communicate our needs in friendships like we do in romantic relationships
• Addressing the painful experience of friendship ghosting and strategies for seeking resolution
• Sharing personal stories of schoolyard bullying and childhood betrayals that shaped our approach to relationships
• Reminiscing about 90s pop culture touchstones that once helped forge our connections


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Lisa:

okay, so time for this week's 90s mystery. You ready for it? Were our friendships actually deep back in the 90s, or just convenient? And I'll explain why. Think about it when we were kids? Did you ever travel to go for like a friend to a friend's house? No, your friends were in your proximity.

Josh:

Yeah, pretty much.

Lisa:

We went to school and we had our house right Like our neighborhood. Yeah, did you make school? And we had our house right Like our neighborhood.

Josh:

Yeah.

Lisa:

Did you make friends because you had no other choice?

Josh:

I guess it's possible, you know, I mean I was. I think I had more friends online in my game than I did, you know. So like when the computer first started getting popular like video game wise.

Lisa:

That's true. You were really into online gaming as a teen.

Josh:

And then I was. You know, I'd say I had more friends over the globe than in real life.

Lisa:

Okay, and that's because of a shared mutual thing If you were not on the computer, you weren't in touch with these people.

Josh:

No, that's what I'm saying, right, yeah.

Lisa:

Like what like, but at the time, like I remember high school, for example.

Josh:

Mm-hmm.

Lisa:

The friends that I had. We're like ride or dies at the time, and then when you kind of finish high school, there are listen, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, Of course. I still keep in touch sporadically with at least one really good high school friends, like really great friends at the time. Yeah, and we still, you know, send each other memes or whatever every once in a while right.

Lisa:

But there are others that were my ride or dies in high school that I didn't. And why is that? Because you go to. They went to CSEP, I didn't. So we're not in the same proximity anymore. True, I had a kid early on're not in the same proximity anymore True. I had a kid early on. They were single and mingling, singling and mingling Right. Very different life experiences at the time, so you kind of drift right yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I don't know In that essence, like what is a friend then? I guess?

Lisa:

Well, exactly what is a friend?

Josh:

So I mean, I guess there has to be some kind of common ground, you know, or else I don't know. I guess there's not really a point in being someone's friend. There's not really a point in being someone's friend. It could be their acquaintance, like you know, you can be polite and be like hi, how's it going?

Lisa:

Good, good, oh gosh. But you can be polite to the clerk at the corner store Like just make it a friendship.

Josh:

No, I know, but I'm just saying like. So, like you know, the definition of having a friend, I think, is also there's some kind of common ground between you. Know the friendship, I think.

Lisa:

Yeah, like what think of your friends, not the online friends, but your actual physical friends. Okay.

Josh:

Yeah.

Lisa:

What made you back in the day, back in the 90s, high school-ish, what made you feel close to that person?

Josh:

When we'd play sports together.

Lisa:

So common ground, mm-hmm. Okay, and if you weren't playing sports or doing whatever that common thing was, did you ever talk about other things?

Josh:

Yeah, sure, we talked about video games or other common things nothing like no, no in the 90s I know I mean I was like 12 well, okay, you're more than 12 99 okay, not, well, you're going right to the end. Well, of course, okay, because that's when you were in high school 99. Yeah, I wasn't having deep conversations with anyone.

Lisa:

No, not even like this is my crush or anything. Is that different? Is it different Friendship with boy friendships and girl friendships?

Josh:

We don't talk about crushes.

Lisa:

You never told a friend like I like this chick.

Josh:

No no.

Lisa:

Not even like a.

Josh:

No, because boys would get teased. So if we said like I like that girl, then all of a sudden one guy is telling another guy, and then all the guys, and then they're all saying like yo, josh has a crush on you, or whatever. So no, of course not. We kept our mouth shut.

Lisa:

Okay. You know, so because as a girl with friends like, we told each other everything Like they had. But it's funny because I don't remember ever being scared that my secrets would come out.

Josh:

Maybe I had the wrong friends, I don't know.

Lisa:

No.

Josh:

I think it's maybe different too with boys and girls. Josh, also, my high school situation was a little different, because my high school situation. I left for PEI when I was almost at the end of elementary school.

Josh:

And then I came back two grades after in high school, grade eight. So all my friends when I came back. I'll never forget that. Actually, I remember when I came back I saw all my old friends in high school. I was like hey, I was like it's josh, you know, and they treated me like they didn't even fucking know me.

Lisa:

That's heartbreaking, I know.

Josh:

I know I'll never forget that I won't say any names because obviously they're all here in Montreal, right, but they know who they are. But that was something I have to say. I was kind of like man really, just like you know, a few years went by and it's like I come back and it's like who's this fucking loser? You?

Lisa:

know that's so heartbreaking so that.

Josh:

So basically I went to. I went to high school where all my old friends were there, yeah, but I was making, I had to make new friends. Instead, you know, there was only maybe a couple who was like josh, you know, like, oh my God, you know, like Jeff, you know there was there was a couple. Yeah, Jeff, you know there was.

Lisa:

there was a couple, so he was there for one of my embarrassing moments. Well, I thought I thought it was pretty embarrassing when I got my first car. You, you and Jeff I was. I drove him and we stopped at the gas station. Yeah, we stopped at the gas station and it was literally. I had just gotten my car that day and I was like I need to get gas, but I didn't know how to put gas in the car.

Josh:

Oh, my God.

Lisa:

And I was like do either one of you know how? And Jeff showed me how.

Josh:

Really.

Lisa:

I swear to God, oh my gosh, I didn't even know that. Yeah.

Josh:

Well, Jeff was definitely always good with stuff like that.

Lisa:

Well, he was a cool kid, I liked him. Yeah, do we give up on adult friendships faster because they're not built in to our routines anymore?

Josh:

Yes, I don't even mean to do it on purpose, but I don't know, I can't tell you how many times I'd be like, yeah, for sure We'll, we'll get together, we'll do this, we'll do X, y, z and like, as I'm walking away, I'm like it's never going to happen. But I don't mean to to. I don't mean like it's never going to happen because of the person I'm leaving and I'm saying to my head it's never going to happen because like, fuck, like it just never happens. You know, too busy to this to that, too much stuff going on, no time, no time.

Lisa:

I. I feel like it's not so much maybe giving up on friendships faster as adults. I think it's getting to the point of having a really strong friendship.

Josh:

That's also a good one.

Lisa:

Do you know?

Josh:

Yeah, like I don't really see a big point in it. Like there are some moments where I'm kind of like it'd be nice to have like that dude you know, and I have one. I have one that I'm very close to. We don't see each other as often as I'd like. I could call him tomorrow and I'm pretty sure he would take a bat to someone's head for me, like in a heartbeat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lisa:

I don't know if any of my girlfriends would do that.

Josh:

So it's nice, you know, I definitely you know like there's definitely we have a bond there. You know we went through some similar struggles and again, you know all that kind of common ground stuff, you know, and he's a good guy.

Lisa:

So I have some really great girls that I know that are, you know, part of my life, that I can go to and kind of, like you know, talk about all kinds of things with Like. It's usually like the girls night every couple of months and we all catch up and then we you know, disperse Until we meet up again, kind of thing.

Lisa:

you know, it is what it is Like. I mean, if it was just me like that that wasn't able to get it with and everybody else was getting together all the time, then I would maybe look at it differently.

Lisa:

Right, I would maybe look at it differently, but I feel like it's pretty much a consensus at our stage of life that there's a lot of struggling with the friendship thing. I read a book recently called Frentimacy and the idea behind it is and I'm totally going to paraphrase but the idea behind it is that people want authentic friendships just like they want authentic relationships like romance partners, right.

Josh:

Right.

Lisa:

But we don't talk about our feelings and our needs and our desires and our wants for a friendship and what we want in that kind of a relationship with our friends, like we would with a romantic partner.

Josh:

Hmm, Right, that's so true.

Lisa:

And if we did more of that, we would actually be surprised at what kind of friendships we could walk away with.

Josh:

And probably we don't, because we would be like why are you so weird?

Lisa:

Well, it's because it's so intimate.

Josh:

Why are you telling me that you want, your telling me like you know, like that you want your friend to do this or your partner to do that. It's like you know we're not dating exactly so I think I get why people? Don't, yeah, because I think people find it to be like that's too much, like whoa, you know, I don't need a friend, a friend that's also demanding yeah do you know what I mean?

Lisa:

yeah I could see how people might think of that. But anyways, it was a really interesting read. It didn't make me change anything in my friendship because I was like now I understand why, as we've aged, friendships end up the way that they are because we're not communicating what our needs and wants are within that relationship. But nobody's really doing that.

Josh:

And everything changes over time.

Lisa:

For us it does.

Josh:

Just like anything Our needs and wants in a company that we work for, et cetera.

Lisa:

Exactly, and what we want in a friendship now was not what I needed and wanted in a friendship even five years ago.

Josh:

Exactly, so yeah.

Lisa:

Were we more forgiving as kids? Last question Hands down we were Well, yeah, I think so. Of course, the amount of things that I overlooked or, you know, chose not to, you know make a big deal about with friendships as young, even in my 20s, really God, I think I was a Are things now I'd be twenties, really God. I think Are things now I'd be like are you kidding me? Fuck you.

Josh:

Yeah, I think I was a pushover until like just a couple of years ago.

Lisa:

So A pushover. In what way, though?

Josh:

In the way of just letting everything kind of go Ooh, you know.

Lisa:

So I think Did you let it go and still have a friendship, or did you let it go but leave the friendship behind that? There's a difference there, both okay both listen, you know uh, friends, you're my friend what?

Josh:

what'd you say? I said you're my friend, you're my friend too. Would we be friends if we weren't brothers and sisters?

Lisa:

I? I don't think I'd ever fucking see you, so probably not, josh only because of of proximity. We're walking through every friendship phase, from grade school to midlife. Okay, okay, all right, I'm gonna start us off. Which one hurt more getting left out of the sleepover, the play date, the whatever, or being told where we already have enough people for the group project?

Josh:

I definitely didn't give a shit. Oh, you know what the group project, I guess yeah yeah, because I always had so much difficulty in school. So if I could, you know, linger with the good group or something. So if they were like we already have people be pretty sad. Aww, what about you?

Lisa:

I'm going to say the getting left out of, like the sleepover or the play date or whatever. I actually didn't care about the school stuff as much For me.

Josh:

I was like eh, I'd rather work on my own anyway, because you worked yeah. Okay, got it yeah.

Lisa:

Okay, got it yeah.

Josh:

All right, my turn.

Lisa:

Yes.

Josh:

All right. Which one felt worse, being the emotional support friend who never got invited for to the fun stuff, or your roommate suddenly deciding they needed space halfway through the lease.

Lisa:

Yes, so, interestingly enough, I've actually been in the situation where my roommate didn't need space but was like, yeah, we're not, this isn't working kind of thing. Halfway through the lease been been in that situation not fun, huh no, it's not fun because there's money involved do you know what I mean?

Josh:

like that's not that's not.

Lisa:

Yeah, so that's my choice. You yeah same. It's happened to me too, so that's not that's not.

Josh:

Yeah, so that's my choice, you yeah, same. It's happened to me too, so that's probably.

Lisa:

It's almost like a rite of passage, eh.

Josh:

Yeah, kind of is.

Lisa:

Oh crap, okay, which one makes you spiral faster? Getting invited to something last minute Like it's almost like as if it's clearly a backup or being left off the group baby shower or like wedding text thread, but still asked to contribute to the gift.

Josh:

Well, that one sounds pretty shitty it does, so I'm going to say that one.

Lisa:

I was once invited to a bachelorette, but not the wedding. It was a friend or a sibling of a friend. I didn't take offense to it. Honestly, the bachelorette is the most fun part anyway. And then you're not, like, forced to buy a wedding gift, so I'll take that.

Josh:

Yeah, that's true, got a good point.

Lisa:

Yeah, okay, this one, I'll finish this off.

Josh:

Okay.

Lisa:

Which one still stings being soft ghosted by someone who used to be your ride or die, or realizing you're the only one still making the effort to stay in touch I guess I'm gonna say the first one shoot, because I'm usually that person. So I'd say ride or die.

Josh:

I'm usually the one who's not making the effort to stay in touch, so I'm going to say being the soft ghosted by someone, I guess.

Lisa:

See, I've had both.

Josh:

I've had both too.

Lisa:

But currently I'm living more in the second one, which is being the only one making the effort, and I hate that feeling. It makes you feel like you're not important enough. You know what I mean. All right, our weekly memory fight.

Josh:

Okay.

Lisa:

Josh claims that he did not have a crush on my best friend in high school and I have some things to say about it.

Josh:

There was no crush.

Lisa:

I had a group of four girlfriends in high school.

Josh:

I don't even remember that.

Lisa:

Okay, and at one point they came over to the house.

Josh:

Okay.

Lisa:

Every single time that they did, you followed this one girl around like a little lost puppy. What? Okay, now, granted, he was like six or seven at the time.

Josh:

Okay, oh my God, how am I supposed to remember that? Okay, so, six or seven.

Lisa:

No, but you brought it up the other week.

Josh:

No, I guess you did it was. It was which friend?

Lisa:

Are we going to say it out loud?

Josh:

I don't know.

Lisa:

Are you?

Josh:

I don't care, I don't mind, I don't care. Wait, but do you think I what I like I have a when I was six or seven years old, laura, okay, no, that you teased me when it was way later.

Lisa:

Okay, I thought it was like you were like seven or six, seven.

Josh:

And what do you mean? I followed her around, you were following us around all the time.

Lisa:

You wouldn't leave us alone.

Josh:

Well, that sounds like a brother trying to annoy the shit out of you. Exactly, that doesn't sound like a crush, and so guess what we did.

Lisa:

Guess what we did.

Josh:

What.

Lisa:

The secret, the truth is coming out. We created a ruse, a lie, to bug you about having a crush on her, even though we knew you didn't. Mm-hmm, I see, I see and then it comes out, like you know, 30 years later.

Josh:

Good to know, because I'm still in therapy for this, by the way.

Lisa:

Give me a break.

Josh:

Traumatized your own brother. I specifically remember you teasing me once and that clearly lasted.

Lisa:

Clearly. All right, let's open the inbox. This week's letter comes from someone dealing with something way too relatable when a friend just fades out without warning and you're left wondering if it was even a friendship to begin with. Do you want to read it or do you want me to?

Josh:

I'll read it. Go ahead. So, dear sibling whatever Okay, sorry, dear sibling whatever A friend I've known for almost 15 years just disappeared. No fight, no falling out, no dramatic moment. She just slowly stopped replying, stopped including me in plans and now we haven't spoken in months. I will see her out with other friends dinners, trips, even a birthday, even a birthday I didn't know about. I've sent the hey miss you texts, I've tried the gentle check-ins. Nothing pushy, just silence. And honestly, I don't even know what I'm supposed to feel Angry, sad, embarrassed. Mostly, I feel just awkward. How do you even process a friendship that ends without a conversation? Do I reach out again or do I take the hint and move on like an adult, still wondering what I did wrong?

Lisa:

Clearly the friendship means something to you. If you're wondering about it a few months later, right and kind of feeling the feels. So my piece of advice would be to reach out to the person, but not a hey, I miss you, like actually call, talk to them, ask them out for a coffee or a lunch date or something, and then have a conversation. Have a conversation like I miss you and I just would like to reconnect again. It doesn't have to be anything so dramatic, but sometimes just saying what you feel. Maybe there was a miscommunication along the way that neither one of them is really sure about.

Josh:

Yeah. You know, yeah, it's very true. It's very true. I mean 15 years.

Lisa:

I know.

Josh:

I had a friend to go with this story. I had a friend that kind of same thing happened, just kind of disappeared in a way, still like common friends on Facebook. But I was removed, you know so, and you know I was always kind of like it's weird, you know. So I actually reached out recently.

Lisa:

Oh and.

Josh:

And I just said like hey, you know, like I don't know if maybe I did something a long-ass time ago and I have no idea what it was, but if I did, for whatever it's worth, you know, I apologize, like whatever you know, and like I leave it at that. Whether the person is going to look at it, not look at it, you know, I, I I just you know, I felt like the inclination, for whatever reason to do it, you know.

Josh:

But this story I mean to be honest with you, this person that's saying this, that's that's writing this letter, we don't know if this person is a girl or a boy and and for me I understand, for some people that might mean nothing, for me it kind of means something, because I understand that they it's a 15-year friendship and now apparently there's no more. But I mean, there could be so many ways that this thing could go. For example, if it's opposite sexes, and then the other friend met someone and that got very serious and for some reason there was a red flag with that person where they're like, like why is? And you're like, oh, this is like you know, my best friend and it's like you know, or whatever. And then, like you know, texting, like hey, miss you text. So is that like hey, miss you, like to your you know opposite sex and like that person is now having with someone. Or is it like a friend where it's like the same sex, like I don't know? I feel like sometimes it could get mixed up.

Lisa:

Okay.

Josh:

You know, which is why you know because hey miss you is perfectly fine for the opposite sex to send that to. What I'm saying, though, is that, from the other person's perspective, in that relationship he's with you, let's say, and that text pops up, and they're like hey miss you. You know like what's that. Or you know, and it's like oh, you know, it's just my best friend 15 years. And you're like yeah, okay, you know like so. So I feel like forget the texting, just call and talk to the person yeah and be like you know.

Josh:

I realize that, like xyz, this happened. You know you, you know is it. Does it have something to do with that? Do you just not like me anymore? That's fine too. Have we just kind of gone our own ways? And a lot of the times, you know, people are just in their own head so you know people.

Josh:

People are just like oh man, look, it wasn't, it wasn't even you, it was me, you know I just I'm going a different direction, you know, and I know there's some people that can't handle that. You know, like, I used to be one of those people. Now I don't give a shit. But but you know, before it's like what do you mean? You don't like me, you know, or like what do you mean? You know I'm, you know I'm perfect, yeah, you know, or whatever. So I think, understanding that it's okay to not be liked, it's okay for someone to fall out of love or friendship or whatever with you, and you know, if they don't want it with you anymore, then you begging or trying to fight, for it sounds a little eh.

Lisa:

I think a little bit of resolution, at least asking a question.

Josh:

Sure yeah, but you might not get the answer no no, exactly, and understand that. You know when you're writing that that if you don't get the answer, that's okay too. You have to truly believe that.

Lisa:

Yeah.

Josh:

Or else you'll go crazy.

Lisa:

Yeah, no, for sure. Sometimes you just don't get the resolution that you want, right.

Josh:

Mm-hmm.

Lisa:

And it stings and it's not the most fun experience to go through that, but it is.

Josh:

It is what it is.

Lisa:

Yeah for sure. Okay, buckle up, guys. It is time to roast our childhood wounds Today, the recess betrayal that still haunts me. Okay, I'm going to tell you a little story. Story time by Lisa. I was in sixth grade and I was getting bullied by this one girl in class, helen, okay, and she was always like every single day. It was like without fail. I don't know what this chick's problem with me was. Honestly, I was like the quiet one, you know, like I didn't bother anybody.

Josh:

That's probably the problem.

Lisa:

That's probably it. The problem, that's probably it. And I had one really good friend that I hung out with, like during recess and whatever, because she was in the other sixth grade class. And one recess she came up to me, she dragged me because we had to stay kind of like similar to what it is now. There was like sections of the schoolyard and we had to stay in a certain section. There was like sections of the schoolyard and we had to stay in a certain section and she took me around the corner really quick and said Helen and her gang had told her that if she wanted to be a part of the group, of their group, she couldn't hang out with me, she couldn't be friends with me.

Lisa:

I know and I remember being totally crushed by this, but yet at the same time I kind of felt like I got you, like I understood where she was coming from, which is, I feel, kind of mature. I was put in the same circumstance. I don't know if I would do it any differently, right, but yeah. So then I didn't have anybody for recess and lunch I just like sat on the step.

Josh:

Oh yeah, that sucks.

Lisa:

I know it was really like it's.

Josh:

it clearly scarred me, but did you hang out with that friend, at least out of school?

Lisa:

Yes.

Josh:

OK.

Lisa:

But that in and of itself is kind of weird, don't you think?

Josh:

Yeah, a little.

Lisa:

It's like having secret friends. But what else do you expect from kids? You know.

Josh:

You do weird shit. I guess it's nice that she actually took you to the side.

Lisa:

I know right.

Josh:

And said something. You know I feel like a lot of kids would just be like sure, I won't talk to that person again, and then that's it, and then you're ghosted, and then you're even more upset. Yeah, you're like what the hell?

Lisa:

Yeah. You know, Then you find out 15 years later that they they were bullied too, or whatever right. Yeah, who knows?

Josh:

But yeah, this little.

Lisa:

There was a lot of incidents with her. She was not very nice. Maybe we should get an apology. Yeah, if only I knew you could find her online.

Josh:

Guys, if you all know a Helen, I don't even know her last name. How old are you now?

Lisa:

Oh my God, I'm like 47.

Josh:

So, Helens, if you're out there, 47 years of age, and you went to what?

Lisa:

Barkley Elementary.

Josh:

Barkley Elementary. Oh fuck, I got bullied at that school so bad. Oh my God Fuck. Barkley Elementary School FYI Okay, god, that school. You just gave me fucking whiplash trauma just by saying the name.

Lisa:

They used to call me Lisa the Lysol Toilet Bowl Cleaner.

Josh:

What.

Lisa:

I know it doesn't even make sense, Like how could that even be insulting? You know what I?

Josh:

mean, but I was like truly insulted. Oh my God, I know they were like really mean to me. I don't think I had a nickname, but oh man, did I get tossed around, but I would get hit so many times.

Lisa:

You got hit.

Josh:

Well, yeah, that's what boys do you got hit.

Lisa:

Well, yeah, that's what boys do.

Josh:

I didn't know that. Yeah, oh my God. Yeah, those fucking kids were brutal Every time. And you know you'd think you would just, josh, like why you keep going down the fucking. But it's like when you're a kid and you're that young there's only one section. You know how to get home, or so you have to go. That Well, we always took that alleyway home, and so they would wait because they knew that I would come down that alleyway what assholes and as I bike by they would hit me in the face. Yeah, yeah.

Lisa:

Did you ever tell mom and dad?

Josh:

No, never told mom and dad. Oh my God, every time at basketball if my basketball would hit one of the kids because it would bounce off the rim or whatever, but the kid would wait under the net on purpose, of course.

Josh:

So then it would hit him and he said you have two choices I roof your ball, so I throw the basketball over the roof. That was a big punishment back in our day or I hit you in the face. And so I always said I hit me in the face because if I go home without the basketball, dad will kill me.

Lisa:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, so you see it's funny. I remember that kind of stuff. You know all the traumatic events.

Lisa:

Listen, man, if I could go back and be a good big sister and go and beat up some of those kids.

Josh:

For you, I would Just saying Thank you.

Lisa:

Let's rewind to 1995, josh for a pop culture rewind. Do you remember 95? Gangster's Paradise? You got to remember that.

Josh:

Definitely remember Gangster's Paradise by.

Lisa:

Coolio. I still know every single lyric.

Josh:

Oh man, clueless, I remember Clueless.

Lisa:

Clueless Boy Meets World was part of the TGIF.

Josh:

Friends.

Lisa:

Friends, wow and ER that's true ER.

Josh:

I was never.

Lisa:

No, but you were still like 11. I was like late teens.

Josh:

I think I liked Friends though.

Lisa:

George Clooney, Friends was good. Yes, Friends was really good. Let's see Beanie Babies again. Was still looming around Butterfly Clips, Mood Rings, but you know what I was really? Oh, do you remember Giga Pets?

Josh:

Oh, yes, I still have them.

Lisa:

Oh, yeah, of course they brought them back though. Yeah yeah, but I remember, like for myself, it was all grunge era, alternative music and stuff. That was my thing, yeah. It was so funny, like the way we dressed was so opposite yeah it's true, you with the grunge you with the rap.

Josh:

Yeah, I was like, totally like gangsta.

Lisa:

Gangsta style the Macarena.

Josh:

Oh my God, the Macarena.

Lisa:

Can you believe it? Three-way phone calls. Josh, Do you ever remember doing three-way phone calls?

Josh:

Oh, yes, I remember doing a couple of those, because we would always prank, call people oh my God, what was it? We did the.

Lisa:

Star 67 or something that would block your number. Oh my God, some of the things that we did.

Josh:

Oh my gosh, and do you remember some of the stuff you could find on Napster, like the Indian guy and stuff Like you hit my car or like you remember that and so we would prank, call I was like man, it's so racist. Eh, now that I think of it, you know, god, there's so many. You know even old TV shows. Eh, you notice like how, like so many things we can't say now or do my goodness.

Lisa:

So it's like politically incorrect Josh. Yeah, tell me about it 95 was the year I graduated high school. All of my other friends were starting CSEP in the fall, Not me. I was like I'm going to take a year off. Oh, wow you know, you know that it's like the death of a dream.

Lisa:

You know, like you're, like I'm taking a year off and you never go back. So anytime somebody says oh, I'm taking a year off or I'm taking what are they? They called it. They called it some sort of a something year, a gap year, a gap year, and I'm like don't, don't do it, Don't do it, Don't think about gap years. You'll never go back. You'll never go back.

Josh:

Yeah, yeah, I think it's. Yeah, I'm trying to think of someone that did a gap year and I think now it's so much more common for for gap years and I think people do go back. I think, like I don't know, like they're more organized now or something. I don't know what it is, or like I, you know, I've heard some like where you know they took a gap year and they traveled and then they come back and they go back to school and I'm just like geez well, those are people with motivation yeah, I guess yeah yeah, it's something I clearly lacked and clearly they don't have to make money if they're just traveling everywhere, exactly, and then they come back and then they go back to school, exactly.

Josh:

I didn't have, we didn't have that, uh, no, that option no, not at all that that would technically be a pretty easy way to have a gap year, Like you know what I mean. Like if everything was paid for, it'd probably be way easier to go back.

Lisa:

Of course, right, yeah, yeah, of course.

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