Magdalene Lineage and Spiritual Deconstruction with Olivia

Olivia Magdalena shares how Mary Magdalene became a living bridge between faith, body, and spiritual authority.

Raised Catholic and later pulled into a deep reclaiming, Olivia traces the moment her path shifted through grief, synchronicity, and the book Mary Magdalene Revealed. From there, the conversation opens into what it can mean to claim “priestess” as a commitment to radical honesty, shadow work, and becoming fully human while still remembering the sacred.

We talk about what was erased, why devotion does not require dogma, and how discernment matters when New Age rhetoric gets sticky or hierarchical. Olivia also explains her work as a “somatic storyteller,” where the body becomes a language for truth, healing, and reclamation.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_03 0:56

Today we have with us Olivia Magdalena, a Mary Magdalene priestess and devotee.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Welcome to the Mystical Mermaid Lounge Podcast, a space where all spiritual seekers are honored and celebrated. This podcast was born from the journeys of your hosts, who have each faced her own dark night at the song, but they've emerged with an unshakable belief in divine connection, cosmic inspiration, and her true life's calling. Join us on a journey of personal growth, transformation, and magical self-discovery. Your first co-host is Chloe Brown, a gifted intuitive empath and shadow work life coach. Your second co-host is Keoni Starr, an intuitive energy worker, an acclaimed past life regressionist. The Mystical Mermaid Lounge Podcast starts now.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Excited. Yes. Olivia is a Magdalene priestess, psychic intuitive, and somatic storyteller. Initiated through the Rose lineage of Mary Magdalene. She has a master's degree in English literature from NYU. She is an RYT 200, and for those of us who did not know, that is a yoga teacher and has studied somatic and energetic healing for over a decade. How is that possible? You're so young.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

32, 32. So, you know, I found started when she was 10. I knew it.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

My mom is a Pisces, so you know, she started me young.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

Me too. Just me. I love it. Olivia has supported hundreds of women and femmes in their individual and collective healing journey. As a true Scorpio, Olivia's healing ethos is deeply rooted in alchemy. She helps you to make sense of divine and esoteric guidance in our human body. Her work embraces the shadow and the light in equal measure and forever finding the magic in the mundane and guiding you home with your unique spiritual authority. Olivia is an avid bookworm, enthusiastic storyteller, and a general human lover. What about animals?

SPEAKER_00 3:35

I love animals too.

Olivia’s Early Faith And Break From Church

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Yes. I had to ask. Of course.

unknown 3:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

So we're just gonna dive right into it if you're good with that. And love to know if you wouldn't mind sharing with us a little bit about your personal journey and what called you to walk the path of the Magdalene priestess. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 3:54

Well, I was raised Catholic. I my dad was in the military and we moved around a lot. And so I kind of found myself in an array of different schools growing up, including Catholic schools and like more fundamental fundamentalist Christian schools, like elementary school-wise, just because of like where we were in the districts and all these different things. So I grew up like in the church and I was always this very, I now recognize like a super spiritual person, a super devout person. And as I got older, and this kind of happened alongside my parents as well, like we just stopped being able to reconcile like a lot of what we felt was God, love, universe with a lot of what like the institution of the church was perpetuating. And so by the time I got to college, I had really just stepped away. And for many years, I just was like, I'm not doing any of this. And then in 20, I don't know, 2017, I moved to New York for graduate school and kind of around that time just started to play in the spiritual realm, like read a course in miracles and like was reading some like Brene Brown and just kind of started in that like funnel. And then my grandfather, who I was super, super close with, passed away very unexpectedly in 2017. He was very healthy and just it was kind of one of those like overnight moments, and it was really hard. And the like from the moment that he passed, he made it so known to me that he had not gone anywhere and was just like giving me these signs and these synchronicities and like literally like blasted open my psychic abilities that I had always had, but I hadn't really known that that's what they were. And it was also around that time that I was working at this like tech job in New York and would listen to audiobooks on my walk to work. And there was this one that popped up called Mary Magdalene Revealed. And I don't even remember that much. I just remember seeing Red, and I remember seeing Mary Magdalene, and I was like, oh, I always liked her. So I just like hit download. And like when I tell you that it literally has altered like the course of my life and like the chemistry in my body, it was this, I won't even call it an activation. It was like a reclamation. And the book Mary Magdalene Revealed by Megan Watterson, I point people to all of the time. Megan's a feminist theologian and Harvard and Columbia educated scholar who really sits at the intersection of lived experience, feminist theology, and like how do we reconcile what was buried and hidden and erased by the institution of the church with like what was actually always supposed to be there and what's been hidden in plain sight the entire time. So I read that and reread it and reread it, like my copies somewhere. It's like it tattered, like with notes in the margins, like yes. And from there, I happened to just then stumble on now a really good friend of mine who was doing a Mary Magdalene priestess initiation. And I was like, I don't know what that is, but I'm saying yes. Like, and I did that, and it just really was just like from there, it's all just unfolded in this really, and it's really also like pulled me back to that little girl who like loved her rosary and who loved to pray and who felt this thing when I was a little girl in church, and like that was what I was always feeling. Like, this is what I was always feeling. So it's been this really cool, then further step to help support people in their deconstruction journeys and in their reclamation journeys and illuminating, like being one of many voices that's hoping to help illuminate what has been hidden from us and reclaiming it to the best of our ability.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

Oh, that's I love that. That is so cool. And Keone and I have heard a lot of our past guests very similar connectivity from a younger age and feeling that they just felt that magic in the church. And they were, you know, as they were growing older, maybe for one reason or another, stepped away. And it was that connection and that sense of magic. I mean, any everybody calls it something different, but that yeah is what lured them into this where they're at now.

Grief, Psychic Opening, And Finding Magdalene

SPEAKER_04 8:09

Yeah. Our inner child knows and recognizes truth. And so it's really cool to like return to that imprint as an adult and to like know what you know of the world, and then to be like, there was truth in that too. Like, how can I find my own way back to what like our inner children recognized?

SPEAKER_02 8:24

It's so it's so amazing that you said that. First of all, we have all three water signs on this. Oh, yeah, of course, it's the mermaid lounge.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

We have to have all of the of the water signs.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

So, yes, you are completing us.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

So three but yes, so I have to recognize that first, but secondarily, I love say that you bring up the inner child recognizing the truth because I remember being a child and being in church, and it wasn't all the dogma and the fear and the, and this is the church that I had gone to. I'm not um you know, generalizing. It wasn't the dogma, it wasn't the fear, it wasn't you're a sinner. I was a little kid running through the hallways, couldn't wait to get to choir practice, yeah, right, or to play the handbells because that was how I felt, I think most spiritually aligned was when we were communing with our voices and our bodies in that way. And I have a twin sister, so we were always singing duets, and people loved how family voices blend, that that type of thing. And so it was interesting when you when you mentioned that because as I got older, that magic started to leech out of those experiences the more that I got stuck in the dogma, the more I felt restricted as opposed to being that child who just felt alive and happy and at one with people, and just the opportunity it's weird. I felt opportunity in church as a little kid.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

So thank you for saying that. I was just gonna add first, I love that you say that, both of you. I think it's interesting because lately I've heard a lot of chatter about Mary Magdalene and the inner child, and even somebody who me who's been on this path for you know a number of years, when somebody says to honor your inner child, I'm the first one to panic and be like, but I don't know what that means. I don't know, I don't know what she looks like. I don't know. So I do enjoy that you bring that up because the more that we are just trying to be our better, more authentic selves for me, spontaneously, that's when my inner child comes out. And I'm like, oh, there she is.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Yeah, and it's like that healing and that reclamation that I find can be so like fierce and ferocious, and like this is what was hidden from us, and this is the sacred rage, right? I find again and again that that voice is also what allows for my inner child to poke her head back out again. And my inner teenager too, right? Is it's like the protection and the reclamation and also a reminder that like what is ancient and holy and true, we knew always. And we were conditioned out of that knowing and like out of that trusting. But she didn't go anywhere, right? She's just been like, whenever you're ready, I'm still here. Let me know. And then so, yeah, so yeah, it's it's it can be a really, really profound recognition, I think.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

That was beautiful. I do appreciate you sharing that with us. Transitioning a smidgen for those who may not be familiar, from your perspective at least, what does it mean to be a Magdalene priestess? What act does that encompass? And how do you honor that? I mean, your grace that you bring to us, you can feel it. But for those who are not on this call, could you articulate it a little for them as well, please?

What Being A Magdalene Priestess Means

SPEAKER_04 12:09

Oh, this is like one of my favorite questions, and it's one that I've been asked so many times. And every time the answer feels a little bit different, and it's evolved as I've evolved. I like tend to talk a lot about this on the internet, which was never anything I planned, but I like three years ago, I just like made a TikTok on Mary Magdalene's feast day and it kind of exploded. And I've just been in these conversations ever since. And I'm like, I didn't like wake up when you know, it just kind of like happened that way. And so it's a question I get all the time. And there are a couple of pieces about it for me. I think at the top, it really is an invitation to devotion. And when you are connecting with Mary Magdalene, you are being invited to deepen your connection with your humanity and with the sacredness that lives within your humanity. Like in the Lost Gospel of Mary Magdalene, which is one of the kind of pieces that we'll turn to, they speak about this process of becoming a true human being, fully human and fully divine. And so as a Magdalene priestess, I have lovingly and a little bit, I don't know, like cheekily perhaps, and sometimes being like a little angrily claimed the title of priestess because growing up in Catholicism, I was taught there was no such thing as a priestess. I was taught that it was only the priests and it was only the men, and it was their like sacred holy succession. And they were the only ones who could be spiritually in charge. And I know like in the episcopal tradition, they do have female priests, but they're still priests. And there's something about the archetype of the priestess. I work a lot in the writer-weight lineage of the tarot, and that priestess is the guardian of the subconscious and the guardian of the sacred holy secrets, and also a teacher. And so I think for me, claiming the title of priestess is this like dance between being like, well, I can be a priestess if I want to be. And I believe that anybody can be. And it isn't something to take lightly. It's not like doctrinal or dogmatic. But you know, when you're like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna pick the spiritual path, and everybody's like, well, okay, then like the universe is like, great, let's like go through it. You're gonna have to sit with your shadow. You're gonna have to sit in like intimacy with not only what was externally buried and hidden, at least when it comes to the Magdalene lineage, right? Of like all the things about her that were mistold by the church and the books that were hidden, but also what we've hidden within ourselves. And what are you not sitting with within yourself? And so it's like this commitment to sitting with your own shit and like really being open to that process of alchemy and of self-transformation and of like radical responsibility, and also where are the barriers that I have put up, whether through conditioning or through my own just humanity, of like denying myself. Where do I abandon myself? And how is my life a devotion to returning to my truest self? And then there's an element of teaching, there's an element of sharing, there's an element of, at least in the way it's worked for me, that's it's un unveiled itself for me, is like going on podcasts and making videos and like teaching and training and and helping support people and their connection with the Magdalene, which is ultimately a connection with yourself.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Olivia, one of the things that you mentioned just super briefly, but is actually the point behind this Magdalene lineage, is the fact that she was erased from the gospels, except for the spin, if you will, that was placed on her, which is not, at least for any of us that have read outside of what is considered the Bible at this point, which is not necessarily the truth. And so, how do you, having been raised Catholic, how do you make that adjustment in your mind? Was it easy for you to say, I knew it, I knew this wasn't the whole truth? I knew that, and I'm not picking on the Catholic Church, it's power, right? So when people get in power, they want to hold on to it, regardless of what you label it as. So I knew they wanted to peel back the powerful layers of some of these folks so that we couldn't see it or feel it or integrate it for ourselves. But how did you make that shift? Was it easy for you? Oh, it was like lightning bolts.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

I read and I was like reading Mary Magdalene Reveal, and I was like, oh, that's what I had been picking up on the entire that's who I'd been talking to. That's what was missing. I remember sitting, this was right when that Mary Magdalene Revealed came out, and she happened to be giving a book talk. Uh Megan, who wrote it? It was like right when it came out, and it was literally right around the corner from where I worked. This was like one of those moments. It was like ding ding ding ding ding. And we were sitting on the floor of a yoga studio, and she was, you know, and I raised my hand and I was like, I can't begin to explain. And it was this room full of people, and it's this like recognition that I see now over and over again of people going, I knew it. I knew that there was something. And not even that I was sitting listening, being like, they're hiding something from me, but it was just like something wasn't adding up. And what's also really interesting to me, at least, is that even though her story was mistold, she's still the central, one of the central figures of the Christian story. The resurrection does not happen without her. And and I I forgot to say this when we were talking about the priestess question, but there are so many, both within kind of like biblical understanding and outside of it, she is very much coded to be a priestess. Like the title Mary was often there, there's like speculation about it meaning priestess. And so that's why we have the three Marys Mary Magdalene, Mary of Nazareth, and Mary of Salome. So, like, was Mary even her first name, or was it a title? And she was the the keeper of like she was at the burial and the resurrection, presumably performing priestess rites as a potentially, because this is when it gets into that murky area. But her story go murky girl. Go murky. Oh, okay. We're mermaids, we can be murky, but that there is this connection between her story and Jesus and the story of the Egyptian god Osiris and the Egyptian goddess Isis. And so there's a lot of speculation, and honestly, like various different kinds of confirmation within Magdalene's circles that she was a priestess of Isis, and they were the death workers and the burial workers. There's the whole story of her anointing Jesus in the canonical Bible with the spike nard, and that's like her preparing his body for like the sacred anointing of burial and death. And her being there at the resurrection mirrors Isis, the Egyptian goddess, resurrecting her lover, Osiris, the sun god, who was split into seven pieces, right? So Mary Magdalene resurrects the son of God, Isis resurrects the sun god, right? Like you can see how there's this, it's this parallel that's really fascinating. And so even though so much of her story we'll never know, there's so much that we do know. And there's so much that that lightning bolt moment that I see happen in so many people, myself included, to me personifies how she very much kind of embodies the tower card. The tarot always finds its way into the to these talks. But in ancient Aramaic, Magdalene translates to tower. And then the tower card in the tarot, right? It's a great disruptor. It's like before and after. I will often say in my life, there's before Mary Magdalene, there's after. So to answer your question, it was like, oh, holy hell yes. I didn't know, but I knew. And that's also why it's really this recognition, reclamation, remembering process as opposed to like learning something new. I feel like, oh, this is what should have been next to this.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Interesting. That is to go back a little bit. That is how I did find you was the social medias and some of the things that you said or put out there, I should say. It wasn't necessarily what you said, it was the vulnerability behind them. And I remember the first time I saw I came across one of your pages, I remember thinking, Mary Magdalene, isn't that Christianity? Like that's really truly my first thought. It's ignorant and what is that.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

No, I don't think at all.

Tower Moments, Isis Parallels, And Reclamation

SPEAKER_03 20:21

So then throughout the time I've been watching your things, and I think maybe even within the last 24 hours, one of them that you posted, really multiple of them, should I say, really bring this sense of like, yeah, I knew that. But then my brain is like, wait, you don't know anything. You just literally said, Isn't that a cra Do you know what I'm saying? So it's that inner instant. I don't know, but one of them that I wanted to point out, and it Bro, you are gorgeous. Thank you. But you put in here, like reclaiming the truth of Mary Magdalene, calling out dangerous new age rhetoric, reminding you of your spiritual authority, challenging the absolutist doctrines of the most organized Christian institutions, quoting, I am the whore and the holy woman on a daily. And I think the reason why I'm bringing this up is because it's very vulnerable, but it's so powerful in a way that is deeper than I can articulate in words. It's like a soul remembrance, like what you're saying, but also the brain is going, but do you really know any of this? So I love that you're reaching out and I love that you're sharing this information because every little bit of it, I think, is just planting seeds for the next person to go in and dive in. And I know I wrote the Mary Magdalene revealed by Megan all the information down, and I'll be reading that. So I'm very grateful that you're sharing all of this information with us. Because it feels like you know so much. Would it be appropriate to ask you how you feel that the Magdalene lineage connects to the divine feminine and how we all can embody that type of energy in our everyday lives?

SPEAKER_04 21:55

You yes, and you really just described what I see as the deepest and perhaps simplest way that the divine feminine makes herself known, themselves known, right, to us. It's through remembering and it's through that articulation that you just described, right? Of my body knows this and my heart knows this, and my brain is like, you don't know anything. That dance, I mean, I feel that. I literally I feel that all the time. And it's and it's it can be amplified, right? When you're doing it very publicly and you get people like, you don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, Okay, are you right? Like, there is that like that question. And what I think I find about the Magdalene specifically, and the way that her archetype sits within the kind of like goddess divine feminine space, I really see her in many ways as one, a divine counterpart. So her and Yeshua, her and Jesus are. Divine counterparts in the same way that again, Isis and Osiris, Hades and Persephone, like their stories are inherently interwoven and they don't being with one doesn't mean having to be with the other. I know people who are devotees of Persephone who are like, yeah, that's like Hades is like this guy and he's around, but like I don't really, you know, like that's not who I who I feel devoted to. I know a lot of people who like go through the Magdalene to reclaim their relationship with Jesus. They like go through the unlearning of all of the things, all of the dogma, and they find their way to like the Christ they know by heart, as Megan Watterson would say, like that they recognize, and they really for me it actually kind of went the opposite because I like did a lot of like a course in miracles, which is kind of like a recoding of the Christ, and I and then I found my way to to the Magdalene. And I think also the Magdalene asks for us to, in my experience, understand the language that our body speaks, and because if our bait if the if the core tenet is that to be human is to be holy, and we are here to be in our bodies and to have a whole human experience, it means that ritual is sure. You want to dance naked under the moonlight, like I will do that with you. You want a pilgrimage to Mary Magdalene's cave in the south of France with me? Like, I will do that. I will do the big ritual with you. I love a big ritual, right? I'm a Scorpio. I'm like, yes, let's like get dark and dirty and like and like the ritual of making your coffee and of going to your therapy appointment and of taking your medication and of making the video. We're having the challenging conversation and of all of those pieces of like cursing somebody out in traffic and then being like, oh God, they deserved it, kind of, but I really wish I hadn't said that, right? Like that is what it is to me to be in the divine feminine. And it is less about trying to chase knowledge outside of me. And it is more about how can I learn the language that my body has been speaking to me my whole entire life that I ignore, that I mean, right? We live in a society that pulls us out of our bodies all the time. And many psychic and spiritual teachings, through no particular fault, I think, are also encouraging us to like use your third eye, use your crown, use your throat. I love those. I'm all for those. And we have intuition in our sacral and in our root and in our body, like we have like epigenetic and physiological memory, right? And that's that part of you that you hear the Magdalene, you're like, oh, I knew that. Because it's not just her. She's just one of many ways that this can find people, right? So to me, it's that like the magic in the mundane and in the everyday, and like seeing your spiritual practice not as something that's trying to pull you out of your body, but as something that's asking you to be like so radically honest with your humanity because you're here to experience what it means to be a true human being, as the Magdalene, the Gospel of Mary would call it. So I I think that that kind of went circular, but I hope that answered your your question.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

Absolutely. That was a wonderful journey and answer. I think it really helps all of us understand what you're saying and what you mean. Do you feel like the Magdalene energy is resurfacing? And if so, could you talk about that? And what role do you think that this could or is, or maybe isn't, your perspective, I mean, playing a role on our collective awakening, or is it?

Inner Child, The Body’s Knowing, And Everyday Ritual

SPEAKER_04 26:27

I think so. I I see, I think it's becoming more open, perhaps. Because a lot of what I'm sharing in terms of like the theological history of the last gospel of Mary and all these different things, theologians have known for for a really long time. This isn't like if somebody went to like theology school 25, 30 years ago, they'd be like, Yeah, this isn't, especially if they well, the more secular, the more like religious they were, the more they might, they may not see it that way, but the more secular, like so there's this thing that happens, I think, when and we I think we can look back on not just Mary and like Jesus' story, but there are different, and a lot of these come from Mary Magdalene Revealed and me like leaning on some of the things she illuminates, but like Joan of Arc and like Teresa Abavila and Marguerite Porrette, who were all these like really strong feminine voices that came out at times that told stories that they were at least Marguerite and Joan were ultimately martyred for, but they spoke to spiritual authority of within, right? Joan of Arc, like, I am not afraid, I'm born to do this. I'm she's leading an army because the angels came to her and said that that was what she needed to do, right? Marguerite Porrette wrote, she was, I can't remember the year that she was alive, but she wasn't quite a saint, she was a mystic, and she wrote this book that basically was saying, God lives within us, love is God, we are love. And the church martyred her for it and then sainted her many years later. Yeah, exactly. So this idea that our humanity is holy, this idea that there's nothing in between us and God, higher power of our own understanding, is not a new idea. And it's one that, especially in the West, and especially under like the legacy of the Roman Empire, is always kind of like unveiling and then hiding again and then unveiling and then hiding again. We are definitely at a moment in time where the I do think it's interesting, even in the past four years, seeing how many more people are talking about Mary Magdalene and how many people have been fascinated, at least when I've been speaking about it. And also we have this incredible rise in Christian nationalism. Absolutely. And I do think that those two things are not a coincidence.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

And I was going to ask you about that because those would be the folks, not the historical theologians, but those would be the folks who would find this information and or perspective to be quite threatening. Oh, yes. Because the intercessor, the intercession, especially of a male figure as the head of the household, as the connection to the church, and then the priest or fundamentalist minister being the route that we're able to have a divine connection is coming back in that realm in full force.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

Yes. Oh, absolutely. And there is this amplification of you don't know, and you have to look outside of yourself. You have to look to Chat GPT, you have to look to your past, you have to look anywhere but inside of you. And so I do I do think it's it is absolutely the response and was and has been happening for a while. Because I I also have this interesting phenomenon where now that I I've been doing this, I think for long enough, publicly enough, that I'll have people who will come to me and be like, I found you three years ago. And I have been on like deconstructing ever since, right? Megan Waterson wrote a book that I picked up in 2018 or 2019, whatever year that was, and it altered the course of my life, right? Like, we're all I was actually last week, literally went, there's a cave in the south of France that's believed where Mary Magdalene lived out the end of her life. And so I went and did a full hike and like did a whole thing with a friend of mine. And we were at the top of this mountain and we're walking from point A to point B. And I looked at my friend and I was like, this is why they banned books. Because I read one book and I am now at the top of this mountain in the south of France, and I'm planning a pilgrimage next year to bring people here so that we can be in this energy. Like this, I was like, this is I literally was just like, This is why they banned books. And we like kind of laughed about it, but I was like, also, this is it, it's not a coincidence. And something that I take a lot of comfort in when it's all so horrific, because it is so horrific, is that Mary Magdalene's story gives us an anchor. Like none of this is new. It's uniquely new in our cultural context and in the technology and all of these things, but the tools of oppression are not new. They were the ones that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were organizing against and why he was put on the cross. So, in some ways, it feels like there's this blueprint. And again, not to, of course, in any way minimize what we are very real looking, like very really looking at. I and that's also where like my yoga practice comes in and like studying things like the Bhagavad Gita and like these ancient, ancient, ancient texts that have existed long before us and will exist long after we're gone. Like that cave I went to, I'm like, this cave will be here. I am like a little blip, and it's giving me so much to navigate what feels so overwhelmingly insurmountable. There are answers and they live within us, and that's why they're distracting us from them.

SPEAKER_03 31:38

Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. And that's I think part of where this question came from, because I don't know if it was based from curiosity or hopefulness, to be honest with you. Because I, yeah, I'm very hopeful that it I can say that in my lifetime, connecting the mind and my body has been a struggle to find that balance. I also do shadow work life coaching. And ironically enough, the name of my company is Inner Alchemy, because that's what it feels like is trying to find that you touched base on it so well, is that just that balance and understanding, yet compassion without a divide. And I I don't know if that's specific to the Magdalene following, but I I do find that common thread. I hear I remember listening to Deb Bowen talk about the Magdalene years ago. And I, you know, had that, oh, this is Christian. Oh, like trauma reaction. And so it's not lost on me that now that we're in such a more severe state of the world. Rather, the last time she brought it up, we were in a pretty severe state of the world, and now it's coming up again. And so that synchronicity, I think, is playing a very hopeful role that this could help bring some balance and equality and some light. Like we need.

SPEAKER_04 32:52

Yeah, and it is that it's that familiarity with the light and the shadow, right? In equal measure, right? Because it'd be like a facilitator, yeah. That shadow work that that even just the resurrection, like if we just look at that as like an archetypal framework, right? Of like the death, the waiting, the rising, right? That that they all that essence of the phoenix. And I think at like anything too, and I this would just be my offering for anybody who's like Magdalene, super interested. It's also like important to know that it's not infallible. Just like no other spiritual practice is not infallible. Like with the rise of more awareness around Magdalene, there's also I see some stuff out that I'm like, what are you talking about? Like it's very like, we are the like sacred Magdalene bloodline, da-da. And this is no, like, this is I'm just like, be just be aware that you're being grounded in humanness. If something's taking you out of your humanness, if something is parroting rapture rhetoric, if something is setting up any kind of like hierarchy, it's it's not the Magdalene, it's something else. So it I've so it's like anything. It's like as I'm watching it expand, I'm like, oh, that's a little, that's a little sticky over there, right? Like, I don't want to talk about the political. I'm like, you can't really be a DVOT of Mary Magdalene and not be involved in the political world. Like the two just don't, when whatever that means for you, but like they don't, she's an archetype that's entrenched in that element. Authority, yes, yes, yeah, spiritual authority and the and the political as inherently spiritual, and the spiritual as inherently political.

Magdalene Rising And Power Structures

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Absolutely. And the taking on of specific female-only epithets such as whore, such as prostitute, no man is called those things, no matter how hoe ish it could happen to be, right? Yes, so the fact that you can own that part of yourself that is fully somatic in in its manifestation, and to say that's just part of being a female, that is just part of feminine, in our case, divinity, is saying no to the Christian nationalist and saying, no, this is okay, this is how we were created, and to enjoy your body or to have a somatic manifestation, however that plays out, and not to be suppressed because we're female is the point of this.

SPEAKER_04 35:18

Well, and what I love that you highlighted is the interwovenness of like the holy whore and this idea of like our sexual, like our sexual expression as sacred. And also one of the things that happened is in I think this fourth or fifth century, Pope Gregory I gave his homily 33, which is where he incorrectly conflated Mary Magdalene with another figure in the in the New Testament, and that's where she kind of got labeled as as the penitent prostitute, right? And that's where this comes from. But what I think is interesting is that that's like kind of its own story. But what's interesting about it is that the Egyptian, the the Isis priestesses were were death and sex magic practitioners. Isis resurrects Osiris, bringing seven pieces together, and then it's like a sex magic ritual that resurrects him and brings him back to life. So there was also an inherent element of like sex and like all and like prostitution is also one of the oldest, and in some areas of the world, what was considered like a sacred vocation. And so it's also really interesting because if we expand it beyond, oh, Mary Magdalene was mislaid a prostitute, it's kind of like she doesn't care. I mean, not to speak for it, really. That's not the vilifying of sex work, doesn't do anything for anyone, right? But what it does illuminate, at least in my view, is this funneling of the priestess work and the holiness of sex as a ritualistic thing that we can claim and we can use and making that bad while also peeling Jesus and Mary of Nazareth from their humanness, right? The untouched virgin as Mary of Nazareth and Jesus is as being somehow 100% human, 100% divine, but never have having had sex. Like it the immaculate happened together. It's like exactly as opposed to the virgin being the woman unto herself as being someone who chose, like, for all we know, Mary of Nazareth was also a priestess who like we it was just a different world, and there's so much we don't know, but what we do know is that men in power who wanted to make the early Christian movement, which was this deeply revolutionary, radical, multiple perspective, living, breathing thing a tool of empire. And so, in order to do that, they strip Mary Magdalene of her divinity, they strip Mary of Nazareth and Jesus from their whichever whichever flipway it is. And again, I'm very much borrowing from Megan Waterson with that. But like, and we see it's an inversion of what could be the whole picture.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

I agree with that 100%. And the just think it's I'm a fully let me say it this way: I'm fully aware that a lot of the heavy editing of the Bible also touched a lot of the male figures and their actual divinity and the lack of need for an intercessor. So I'm fully aware of that. But did they take their character down to less than even occur? That is not the case. And so it's hurtful to see that happen in history, but it also tells us just how very powerful that individual or that figure was in history, that they had to be stripped of their power, just in and of just in and of themselves in in existence.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Yeah. I think even in our modern world, we see that play out in our criminal and judicial system still, right? The different genders and uh, you know, a woman who does the same crime as a man, they'll serve significantly more time because, you know, as a woman, shouldn't we be more empathetic and more understanding and more in tune on the criminal level, is where it's looked at. But then on a societal level, it's like, wait, no, you're you're just a woman who's having PMS. So it's like this super off balance scale that is just very mixing, mixed messages for us. So I just wanted to add, I see that it's still playing out.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Yeah, it's nothing new and it's so painful still, right? It's like that duality of it's like it's not new, and in some ways that's comforting, in some ways that's just like so infuriating, I think.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

Yeah, you're so right there.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

One of the things you kind of mentioned. Oh, go ahead. You have something you wanted to say, Keoni. At some point, I want to talk about this semantic storytelling, but it doesn't have to happen right at this moment.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

Real quick, this question ties in with what something you had just said, and then yes, I do want to go into that very next if we can. For those who are feeling called to the path of the Magdalene, what simple practices or rituals would you recommend for them? Or I guess for me, the takeaway was just start reading and and following what feels correct. So without me putting words in your mouth, what would you suggest for any listener who's feeling resonance with what you're saying?

Discernment, Politics, And Sacred Sexuality

SPEAKER_04 40:22

So I there is an element of re-reclamation, re-education that I do think not always, but more often than not, comes with connecting with Mary Magdalene. I often dub her like our patroness of the deconstructing, because not again, she's not exclusively for people who have left some kind of organized religion or group and Christianity, and there just tend to be a lot of us. And so I offer, I have my own podcast, Walk of the Magdalene, that's available on all platforms. I have a substack that has a list, it's the Mary Magdalene Resource Hub, is what I've called it, and it has a list of all kinds of resources. So if you're somebody who wants to listen to a podcast and that's really helpful for you, I've linked mine. If you're if you love to read and you want to read some of the various books and or you work with Oracle cards, I've linked some of like the main ones that I that I tend to go to. I also have like a plethora of workshops that I've done over the years that talk and teach on all of these things. And so that's where I tend to, I tend to point people, myself and there are many others, especially on TikTok, who are educating and sharing regularly about Mary Magdalene. So I would just, depending on how you learn and what's of interest to you, the knowledge gathering is often where we start. It's not a requirement, but it does, it's its own kind of activation. It doesn't have to be fancy. It can be like me listening to Mary Magdalene Revealed on my walk to work every morning. And that's it. That's all, that's all I did, quote unquote. But that's all I did for the a good six months. And then from there, it really depends on where you feel pulled. But I say simple is best.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

I love that. That feels so real and tangible, right? Because first of all, we're always like always searching with our thumbs. Oh, resources. That's so hard sometimes to find reputable resources. So while you were talking, sure enough, I just pulled up your social media just to see how easy it was. And sh you have an all of Mary Magdalene Resource Hub direct link, your Substack, everything. So that is phenomenal. I love that. And I will, I'm sad I didn't realize you I would have listened to some of your podcast episodes before we had you on. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 42:44

Oh, it's fine. Don't apologize.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

No, but it's excited to learn.

SPEAKER_04 42:48

Yeah, it's a lot of this. It's it's it's a lot, it's a lot of this.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

Cool. That is exciting. Yeah. So to transition a little bit, because yes, when we were going through your bio, I thought, ooh, somatic storyteller. That sounds fine. Although I'll be honest, I have no idea what that means. So I'm just gonna turn it over to you so you can educate me a little and our listeners.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

Yes. So somatic storyteller came from a group that I was helping facilitate a couple years ago. And I was helping my friend Giselle Allen, who's an incredible coach for women and femmes of color who are looking for just like really brilliant coaching work. And she was my mentor for a long time, and she's incredible, and I love her. And I was in sessions, and we were kind of trying to name what I do when we're like in session together, because I'm not a coach, and I say that so lovingly. I'm so grateful for every coach I've ever had. I'm not one. And that's what she was helping me realize. She was like, Well, this is coaching, and that's not what you're doing. What you're doing is beautiful and amazing, but it's not coaching. And I was like, Okay. And so just throughout like our time together and like the various people that like I was supporting in facilitation, we came to this title of somatic storyteller. And it really is this dance between asking and translating the language that our body speaks. So if we were like in a session together and you were sharing similar to what you were sharing earlier, but like I feel this disconnect between my body and my mind and what I know in my heart and what I hear in my mind. And I'd be like, okay, it's a little, and I'm not a therapist, so I don't, but it's like if you had to compare, it'd be a little like internal family systems, meets like somatic work. I have a lot of somatic practitioner training. So I like it, like sits somewhere in that, but it's really trying to like take the divided pieces of self and through like communicating with the language of our bodies, which is often turning off the mind as much as we can, and just being like, what is this sense? And where is it and why is it? And how do I understand? And then how do I speak it out loud? Because there's something about right, we know when we when we are creating the conditions for our bodies to be ready to process the like hidden trauma or buried trauma, it comes out in ways that we don't understand. And we're not always supposed to understand with our logical mind. And there, I find there is a lot of power in that expression, whether it's through movement, whether it's through tears, whether it's through writing a letter and cursing out the person who harmed you, right? Like whatever, whatever that is. And also, I'm a dancer, I'm a mover. I am constantly the behess of my mind, and I am constantly working to not be. And there are some things that we cannot speak, but we can tell the story of through movement. And that movement can be small or it can be big. And so I would say that's kind of the sweeping general of the very much self-coined made-up somatic storyteller.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

I've also had though, everybody. Let me rephrase, I can't speak for others. I feel like there's a piece of that can speak to anyone listening, whether it's their jam or they're not, whether it is or isn't. There's something in there that we can all resignate with. And it's so funny because I was gonna add dance, but I didn't want to cut you.

SPEAKER_04 46:19

Yes, yes, dance always, and a reclamation with dance. I grew up as a dancer, I thought I was gonna be a professional dancer, and then it all flew away. And then my origin of somatic practice work was in the college that I went to University of Virginia, and there was a dance minor program that I didn't even know was there, and I just kind of stumbled on it. But the movement practices that we were taught called Labon Movement Analysis, and it's this very somatic, body-based type of like modern dance that was unlike anything that I had ever experienced before, because it wasn't asking for me to perform, it was asking me to be honest as a choreographer and as a dancer. And the the tools that I learned in that when I was then in somatic trainings outside of the dance, I was like, oh, I've been doing this for a long time. I just didn't know that's what I was doing, but that's what I was doing.

Practical First Steps On The Path

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Because that focus is different, right? When you're performing, it's for the audience, it's a translation of what you want them to feel, right? But if you're doing this for authenticity and speaking your truth, then your movement is for a different purpose. And I like I'm seeing so many parallels here because we're talking water signs, being fluid, being very feminine, being that intuitive psychic, you know, that's that thread that runs through the water signs, but then also through the somatic receptivity of feeling in our bodies as opposed to having to act outward or to constantly be in activity. I just I find that divine feminine thread runs through that whole somatic core and your storytelling also being one of just a very intuitive. Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't want to use the term coach, but it does have a feeling of guidance, right? It's just using the story as opposed to a directive, and it all feels very feminine to me. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 48:34

Yes, it's very scorpionic, it's very, and it's also something that I have really like I it's hard for me to do for myself. So it's one of those like like to I hold I hold people in the space because it also helps me remember how to do it in my own body. Yeah, okay, you know what I mean? Like it's almost like a teach what we need to learn type of thing. Yeah. And I I'm so grateful for the people who let me do it in space with them because it helps me be in that because it's I have a Virgo moon, so it's really easy for me to get stuck in the like, well, A plus B equals C, and this isn't logical and this doesn't make any sense, and we need to have a system, and the system isn't being followed, and right. So it's like really helpful to just be in like, and as time has gone on, it's gotten more and more.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

You just realize you're not doing anything, you're being exactly, and that is that receptivity, that being, that just existing, that you're not out moving and making change, you are change, yeah just that embodiment, which I I just love. And I'm like picturing you doing somatic storytelling in my mind, but then also the the fact that you mentioned ritual and and the importance of using our body in a ritualistic way, just is more than just this esoteric thought process, right? It's actually embodying what the intent of that ritual movement is. Yes, that I I just love that. And what would I think of my family's indigenous North American, because I look like that, don't um anyway. My my mom actually grew up on the res, but okay, her idea of offering is tobacco or melon or chamomile, whatever she feels that the earth needs at that time. What do people who walk the Magdalene, what do they offer? Such a beautiful question.

SPEAKER_04 50:40

What do we offer roses? Roses and of course you do and reds, like just gonna say red wine, chocolate.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

Yeah, red wine, red threads, and it's very much like I'm jumping camp, man. I'm getting out of the camera meal. Red wine and chocolate is all about who I am.

SPEAKER_04 51:01

Okay, but it really also I find that too, what happens with Magdalene's is that we then get connected, we're connected to her, but we also often get connected to our own like ancestral spiritual practices that were taken from so many of us, right? So I also do a lot of like hodo, brujaria because I'm Afro-Latina. So I've got this whole like other lineage that I do work with that my work with Mary Magdalene acted as like this bridge and that helped that as I healed my deconstruction and moved through my deconstruction, it allowed me to step into those other spaces as well. And what I also have actually started doing, I have started praying the rosary again. And I pray the rosary to Mary Magdalene.

SPEAKER_00 51:47

I knew it. I knew it. Because now it does, now it's not a forced concept, right? And the rosary far outdates the Catholic Church.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

Absolutely. So and not just Catholicism, but Christianity in and of itself is such a combination of Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, just panthey, just pantheonic theology in and of itself. I'm like trying to say it's all of these things pulled together. I was getting so excited when you were talking about the reincarnation of Ra because I'm thinking like that is Christianity's story right there, but predates it by a long time. But I also love the fact that you're you're stepping into the Magdalene energy that allows you to also connect with your ancestral lineage and your own epigenetic experience as well. So you have the ancestral and the experience experiential happening at the same time. So you've become through her or that lineage, fully well-rounded individual of all of your pieces. Can't touch you, girl.

SPEAKER_04 53:03

Well, that was beautiful. That was beautiful. Thank you. I'll go back when I feel like I'm doubting myself. I'll come back to that part of the podcast and listen to it again because it's it's beautiful. No, I I genuinely like that. It was beautiful. Thank you. It feels very true, which is good.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

Yeah, it should because these are beautiful areas of ancestral, just innate knowledge that you're able to tap into that is there for you, is there for your connection, which I think is wonderful. And I I love that this was your conduit to it. Beautiful.

Somatic Storytelling: Language Of The Body

SPEAKER_04 53:37

I also keep getting this like little like light to offerings for the Magdalene, like light a candle. Said light a candle. So somebody, somebody, I don't know who, light a candle.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Right. And just the intent in that, right? You know, just the the intent in bringing fire or energy to something that then that melts and transforms is transmuting. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

Yeah, that was very powerful. I I was in such awe, I got lost in that conversation and and lost my train of thought. That was a good one though. And I I think listening to you and being within this call with you, you carry this beautiful grace with you that I think I've mentioned earlier. But I would have never thought for a moment that you have moments where you doubt yourself. So I think it's I love that you're vulnerable enough to share that, right? Because we're all human and sometimes we forget that and naturally compare ourselves without intentionally doing so.

SPEAKER_04 54:31

Yeah, yeah. No, it's very, yeah, it's one of my favorite things actually to talk about. And it's how I it's one how I check myself, and it's also how I feel like we can like start to just like deconstruct this hierarchy, and not saying that there was like high, but it's like if we like it, it really disrupts this idea that like whoever your spiritual leader is or whoever is sitting in front of you, like I don't know. I cried about something this morning. I literally that that video, I'm gonna just be so honest with you. That video that you quoted in those, I literally stared at that. I was like, I don't even know what to say. And I just was like, I just feel called to make something and let me just like throw some things out there. I think they also feel like I've said five thousand times and like who wants to hear me say this again, but I guess I'm gonna say it again. That's the egoic mind, right? And I'm like, no, I'm gonna post this, it's gonna feel good, and like if it doesn't, it doesn't, but it is a constant, like it's very real that it it feels I have more confidence now, and it feels easier for me to trust my process. And that's what I also what I find so much that I when I sit with people in this work is like it doesn't go away. Your shit doesn't go away. You just learn how to deal with it differently. You learn how to recognize when it's happening, you learn how to resource yourself, you learn how to sit with it, but it doesn't go away. And as soon as I found for myself that I stopped trying to make it go away or like vilify myself or like, and again, I don't do this perfectly, but I'm like, okay, well, you're throwing a temper tantrum right now, and that's fair, and we're gonna keep going, right? Or like we're not gonna do it, we're gonna sit with it, or we're gonna, you know, like climbing this mountain that I did this past week of like going to Mary Magdalene's cave. Like, I got off the like I did this whole thing, I'm climbing halfway up. I'm going, whose freaking idea was this? Right. And there's these beautiful pictures of me up there, just gonna, but like I was like, whose idea was this? I did this to myself. I bought a plane ticket, I got on a plane, I got in a rental, I got on a train, I got on a rental car. I'm driving through France, I'm staying in a place I don't know. I have a friend who's gonna meet me tomorrow. She and I've never met in person. We're online friends. Like, this is like, what am I doing? Also, I can find this cave. Also, I can find this cave. Like, I literally was like, what are we doing? Yeah. And of course, I it was like this beautiful, incredible experience. And like that is so real.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Yes, you know, like I love talking about those awkward, real moments in between, right? Because I I did not realize this about myself until we started this podcast, actually. And this conversation Keoni and I have often is I never realized how much of a perfectionist I was. Am. And so I'm like a bowl in the China shop when I want to do something because I have to get it done and I have to get it done right. And then I'm like, oh, yes, I did it. Oh, pat on the back. And I'm like, okay, check mark, check mark. Oh, I forgot a step, go back. Yeah. And in reality, what I'm really doing is setting myself up for essentially failure because I'm not allowing myself the grace and the time and the difference and the compassion because I heard somebody else's story and they didn't mention how they forgot the book or they couldn't write chapter, or maybe their headphones died. You know, they didn't mention any of that. So that must mean I'm doing it wrong. And I think that's ultimately what brought me into the path of what I am at now is it's not a right and a wrong. It's dancing with that duality and embracing it and loving it. And to me, I feel like you labeled it so beautiful with somatic storytelling that it is it's just gorgeous. I love the visual and the energy that comes from it. That's gorgeous. I'm grateful you did that. And you're sharing it with all of us.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

Oh yes. And somatically, how healing for you as well. I mean, the the mystics have known forever ecstatic dance, the whirling dervishes. I mean, they they used that somatic dance to heal themselves and to reach bliss. And you're able to do that as part of a title. I'm gonna add that to mind. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna be like a somatic sitter person.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

That's amazing. I am just like somatically listening to you. But that is a really powerful practice. That is a really powerful practice.

SPEAKER_02 59:06

But but your point, I am making light, and obviously I'm making a joke, but your point is you're in your body, you're paying attention. And we don't do that in the Western culture. That's not where, you know, that is not where the money is made. It's up here. Yeah, yeah. I love that. I think I just want to keep her. Me too.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

I think we have a second mom.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

Yes. You're maybe in a third person because I feel like we do. No, I love it. I'm with you. Obviously, we will have all of your information in our show notes because who wouldn't want to reach out to you? Hopefully, we can have you back lots. I would love that. Yes. That I am so on board. I think if before we move into the final message of what you'd like to share with our listeners, would you quickly just touch base and tell us how to find you? Like I said, we'll have it in the show notes. But for anybody listening and not going into the show notes, would you share that information?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:10

So I my big three are Substack, Instagram, and TikTok. And it's underscore Olivia Magdalena for all three of those. SubSach might be slightly different, but if you search Olivia Magdalena in SubStack, I'll come up. And also if you Google Mary Magdalene Resource Hub, the only one for now, knock on wood. So at least it shows up for me. You know, the SEO might just serve me my own stuff, but that'll that'll come up on SubSack. But yeah, those are the best places. And if you want to message me, I would either message me on Instagram or on SubSack because my TikTok DMs get weird, so I don't really look at them. TikTok's an interesting place, so I tend to not look at those. But anyways, yes, it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

It's like the DMV, like you feel like you're walking into the Star Wars bar.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

Yeah, no, totally. And sometimes, I mean, I've had people message me who we then have this beautiful connection or we work together, or like whatever, and then that's like one in a million. So I look at them occasionally just in case, but I've sit I've come to let them kind of do their own thing, anyways. I do agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

You gotta meet people, you gotta meet people where they are.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:25

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love TikTok. Love TikTok, wouldn't be here probably without TikTok. It really does change my life.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

Um I will say though, something about TikTok for me feels like the Beetlejuice waiting room, and it always has. So I love that you brought that up.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

Yeah, definitely the Star Wars bar, Beetlejuice waiting room, the whole. But the point is well taken because with your passion about what you're not just embodying, but what you're trying to teach people, you're getting their attention. So that's that's the point. And you did it.

Dance, Authenticity, And Embodied Practice

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

It's it's so funny. A friend of mine and I, we were talking about TikTok. We're sometimes like, well, it's kind of like your storefront. Like you just kind of want people to like scroll by. And that's how TikTok's kind of set up, is to be a bit of a storefront situation. And if you want more, you have to find it yourself from someone. You can follow people and never see their content. And I mean, same is true on Instagram, but without getting too into the into the ins and outs of all the various social medias, there is a bit of that like hopefully capturing something and then see where and let people go on their journeys, which is cool. Cause like I said, I'll have people be like, I've you I found you on TikTok three years ago, and then we're sitting in front of each other doing a reading or something. And so it's it's cool. It's a very I'm very grateful to be there, but I do not check my DMs.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:46

Well, that's good to know you're not the one who's emailing all of us saying I never reach out, but can I give you a free reading?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:52

Yeah, definitely not me. Definitely not me.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:56

And yeah, that'll never be the practitioner ever. Yeah, none of our social medias will ever do that. All of the tagging that happens is attempted to promptly be removed. Yes.

unknown 1:03:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

And with that, it's been absolutely phenomenal having you. I really don't want to let you go, but it is the final question, which is really what message would you like to leave with us and our listeners?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

I will go back to my tried and true, which is to remind you that your humanity is holy, that you were not born sinful, you were born sacred, and that you are your own greatest spiritual authority, and that anything or anyone who tries to convince you to look outside of yourself is maybe not the voice to listen to. Yeah, fuck 'em.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

Yes, get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

Um that was manipulation right there.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:46

We just let her say it. Well, you know, sometimes, especially when I'm in like a new place with like new friends, I will downplay my general feeling, which would be to say, fuck them. So you just gave me permission to say what I actually wanted to say. No, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

Don't give your power away. And don't let someone convince you never that you need to give your power away. Thank you, Olivia. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:12

That is powerful. Best thing to leave on. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:16

I'm keeping her mom.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

I hope to see you again soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

Oh, I would love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:21

I would love that so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:23

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