3 Weeks to Go: Heat, Visas, and a Dinosaur Hoodie

Three weeks to go. The team compares kit, chases visas and insurance, and gets honest about training, living in one van, and the unknowns ahead. Why PSR matters, what we’ve learned, and how you can help before we fly.

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In the face of unprecedented environmental challenges, Project Salt Run aims to inspire action through an extraordinary journey of transformation. Hannah Cox, a sustainability advocate with Indian heritage and a first-time runner, will undertake a life-changing challenge across India, following the historic Inland Customs Line. 

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1212 we are recording. (...) We are recording. (...) So welcome to the PSR podcast. We're recording today in Chateau Fowler. (...) Casa sage actually. Casa sage. Where does that name come from? (...) That name came from one time that Alex called me sage. (...) She's easy. (...) I think Chateau Fowler sounds pretty good to be fair. Yeah.(...) So I've made the long journey over from Staley Bridge to Huddersfield on the rail replacement bus to do a little Sunday afternoon (...) project sort one planning. Yeah, which has (...) culminated in as writing an incredibly long hit list. (...) Alex we're recording.(...) We're gonna have to start again in a sec. Oh shit. (...) This is what happens when you don't have a professional like Joelle with us. (...) So yeah came over here on the bus and doing a couple of hours planning before we head into the week. So tomorrow will be three weeks until we're over in India. So next week is my last week of work and then I'm heading down to London to do heat training for two weeks. So I won't actually see Nati and Alex. I'll see you guys at the Leaving Dule Wednesday. Then we're having a bit of a dinner on Saturday and then I won't actually see you until the day we fly. So let's have a little bit of a check-in. So question for you Natalie. Where are we right now in the project timeline would you say? (...) So what we've been working on this afternoon evening is kind of going through the finer details of kit. (...) I guess some people have been like why don't you have kids sorted already? But we do it's just making sure that we have enough between the people that are going to be supporting Hannah and just making sure we have extra as well to cover us for if there might be days that we might be sweaty too much and we need to kind of do laundry or vice versa if it's going to rain. We want to have dry kit. (...) So yeah, it's quite an extensive list.(...) Lenty. It is lengthy. (...) But yeah,(...) that's kind of what we've been going through making sure that we have everything. Also the medical kit as well. What we'll need from that perspective.(...) Any other tasks that we need to do. For example, these medical insurance. Yeah, kind of the big ones. (...) It's so bad now. Yeah, I mean those of you that have been listening to the podcast for a while know that the visas have been a bit of a nightmare because when our filmmaker left the project, we found out that the visas hadn't been organized. So we have been on the case. They are with the Visa company or the Visa services and we were waiting to hear back. We sent them a follow-up email. (...) Literally a couple of hours ago, didn't we? So hopefully we're here for them, but we cannot get our insurance till we've got our visas and we can't really plan our itinerary properly until we know what type of visa we have, whether we've got a journalistic visa or we have to reply for normal visas and therefore we will have to change how we're filming. (...) Yes, basically.(...) So there is that and we've done our kit list and the other big thing we have to be concerned about on the kit list is it's always better to take too much stuff out that we don't need. They're not enough, but also we are very conscious. We're staying in a very very small space together.(...) So we can't take too much stuff with us. (...) I did. Yeah, I was happy to share socks.(...) Natalie was not happy. I guess for people listening to the podcast, do they know how small a space we're going to be living in? (...) Alex, she didn't even know why we're going to India till about two months ago. No,(...) Natalie, why don't you give a bit of a imagination if everyone could just close their eyes and just go on, Natalie. Describe what our living situation will be like when we're in India. Do you know when I first googled campervans in India, (...) some of the options that came up were very basic like I'm talking sleeping on the floor, no kitchen facilities. You're probably going outside for the toilet, but this one is pretty luxury. I would say I would say it's like a glamping campervan if that you would get in this sub entry. Yeah, it's bigger than a sprinter but Indian style. (...) Manufacturer, it's got a built-in kitchen. It's got a walk-in kind of shower and toilet in the same cubicle. Then at the rear of the van, essentially it is just one big mattress, which I think they envisaged five people sleeping on the size of maybe a king-size bed. (...) There's also two kind of foldable beds that come,(...) fold out above that mattress where you can fit one person at one side of the van and then one person at the other. I'm pretty sure they were hanging on chains. I would say probably suitable for a small child. (...) So it is going to be very cramped. We also have to fit in all of our kit obviously,(...) our food, water, which is going to be the probably take up the most space. (...) But yeah, it's going to be shared living for over 100 days.(...) So I think yeah, I mean I live in a really small space. Anyway, the boat is obviously small. It's a 38 foot narrow boat as a most narrow boats are about 60 foot. (...) But even when I have one other person on the boat, it's a squeeze and I work in my kitchen. Yes, I think I think let's not worry about that. I feel like let's go over that because what I would like to know because I probably have a bit of confession to make now (...) of like, what are you bringing that other people might think is not important, but it's quite important to you because Natalie,(...) I know yours is Alex. (...) So obviously we've got our kit list now of all the stuff we need to bring which we either need to beg, borrow or steal because obviously the reason we're all staying in one campervan is because of budgets and we're at the moment. So we can't afford the old bells and whistles tour that we would have loved to be able to do.(...) Mine is my dinosaur hoodie. That's a hoodie. No, it's like an hoodie. Right. Do you know what an hoodie is? It sounds no. It's Alex. Do you just sit in like a, you're like a sim. Do you just like sit in a cupboard and then Natalie brings you out every time I go back? So just for context, if you've not listened to Alex's podcast episode and if you don't know Alex, people would describe Alex as a 78 year old man, but in a 12 year old's body. (...) He would not want to have a mobile phone if he could avoid that. So hence why he doesn't know what a dinosaur would do. So I feel like you need to explain that. It's like an oversized hoodie. It's a cloak. Yeah, clothing. It's almost like wearing a duvet. (...) It's so big with a hood and mine just so happens to be covered in dinosaurs. It's an adult comfort blanket basically energy and it's going to take up so much space, but I'm going to put it in one of those vacuum packed storage bags so I can get it into India.(...) But I do have a feeling it will be cold, quite cold some days and at night. So I've you know, I think that I think it's a good it's big, but it also it will double up as a pillow.(...) Incredible. That's good. So that'd be good. Yeah, and the other I guess the other couple of things I'm definitely bringing is I'm going to bring a copy of the card game the mind, which is a very good card game. (...) And Marmite. (...) Yeah, essential. As in yeah, I just think it was time to realize if I was to say the top three things that are essential for me that I need to bring are those three things probably. (...) Do you want to go? Go on Alex. Go on Alex. You go. (...) What top three essentials? No, just what are you bringing other people? The context of what they've already told you my I envisage being very minimal and picking up what I need. I love the idea of just going out with with one pair of like two sets of clothes. I know it's Christmas. No, because I just think between you and Joelle me and Nattydigg and I'd be like having to hose you both down outside. Just like that's what I just imagine. They'd be like children and we'll have to like throw some sweets outside that you're both run towards. We'll just like spray them down. (...) I love that actually. I'm totally up for I don't think I'll be saying about I think I should be staying with local people. You know, I might just sideline off to someone else's house for a night. You'll just be there. I'm just going to be. Yeah, I can imagine that. I mean you kind of did that in Morocco when you came out support and you just kind of chat to all the locals.(...) I've got to go to some charity shops get some get some more some more shorts for me to run in. That's it. Okay, now to leave in. Yeah.(...) As in things that people that you guys would find not needed not just as sorry. Yeah, they're essential to you. Yeah, I would say essential to me is my hair straight because I'm sorry guys. (...) I don't even know if you'd be able to plug them in. I know. Yeah, probably not.(...) I know. It's just they always say people with straight hair won't kill their hair people would kill their hair and my hair is like a bush when it's not being tamed. So I would just like to say as someone who's seen Natalie's hair naturally curly. It is absolutely gorgeous. I know. Well, I don't know but I know what you're going to say. To get rid of the hair straight. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but other than that I would say most things that I'll be taking will be essential or needed in some capacity. (...) We'll also have to get some normal people clothes. I guess. Yeah, we're not running. (...) This is my new bottoms. I like that my white vintage. (...) Oh,(...) yeah that festival your festival outfit. Yeah, perfect. Okay. (...) So everyone everyone will see you on the socials Alex. You'll have to you'll be unveiled. You'll be unveiled. So where would you say we are in the project timeline then with three weeks to go bearing in mind our visas aren't sorted. Our insurance isn't sorted. We don't have the kit. We've all worked out. We're now all staying in one van. (...) I mean, I guess you kind of covered it with three weeks out. That's where we are. That's where we're at. How does it feel? How are you feeling right now? (...) Yeah, I feel good. I feel so good. I'm not as hungry as you. Me leading up in the last few weeks. I've been more worried about not getting my vaccinations all in in time to make sure I'm covered. I had a bit of an issue with my GP missing off one of my previous rabies vaccinations that I had and that might have meant that I'd had to do the full course again, but luckily they managed to find it on my record. So I just need the booster and just making sure that I've got all of that side ticked off in terms of malaria tablets because some of the regions states will be going through. Potential could be malaria at risk zones. (...) But in terms of kit, obviously, we're very fortunate in doing the coast-to-coast so we kind of know what we have, what we potentially might need more of like K tape, that type of thing which given it's a much longer project.(...) I think the coast-to-coast, although you weren't there, Alex, was such a good way for you and me to work out what we need and how we need it. Yeah. Yeah, and I guess that was a very different expedition in terms of the terrain is completely different to India. We were setting up camp every single day and also we went following you all the time. We'd meet you at certain places and in India, that's not going to be the case because we'll be following you in the van and obviously we have to set up camp as such because we've got the camp van which helps on that and we've got a built-in kitchen in this van as well, which helps with cooking and it's not like we're having to put a gazebo up without a gazebo top or sides when it's chucking it down. (...) So small winds, small winds. (...) But I think from that point of view, I know it's obviously a confined space for an extended amount of time, but I'm looking forward to that and that's going to be exciting. Obviously, there's some things that we fundamentally have to sort that we still need to sort before we go out there and organize the visas,(...) obviously the filming permits and just insurance to make sure we're covered. But in terms of everything else, kit and what we need, I feel like we have everything. It's just making sure we don't forget everything and making sure we've got extras of the things that we think we'll need. Yeah, that's the main thing. We're at that point of view. Anyone who's ever been on holiday knows this, you know, what you're thinking. Your mind is no drag because you don't want to miss anything. (...) It's going to be there, but I think we're there. We know what we're doing. So I've been asked, Joelle's asked me to give a bit of an update on my training, but it'd be quite good to know about your guys trainings as well because you're both coming out acting kind of as paces.(...) So I was listening to, I can't remember who it was on it. I could look it up now, but it's not that important for the story, but I was listening to the Everyday Ultra podcast. You listen to that one. It's good guy called Joe based in the States and he had a really famous trial runner on there. His name I've forgotten obviously, but he was saying that he does a lot of hundred mile races and 200 mile races.(...) He says he loves having crew, but he hates having paces and actually he just doesn't have paces at all for any of his running and it made me think a little bit of the coast to coast because I think for the first two days of the coast to coast, I was given paces the whole time and I realized for me that was not the one because I need time on my own every day and what was happening was I was waking up being around people running with people all day and then being with people all evening. So actually the bits of time I was running on my own was my good on my own time. So I'm quite looking forward to in India, me having this mix of like running a little bit with you a little bit with that, but also having a little bit of running on my own, but also they're not being so much pressure for you guys to do a certain amount of running every day. It can be much more ad hoc like I feel like doing 5k tomorrow or 10k or whatever. (...) My training's obviously been quite intense. I'm doing like five, five runs a week. I missed Friday. Don't tell Nina.(...) I still know, I should have seen it on my watch. I'm getting my sauna in, I'm getting my strength in. I'm feeling from a physical perspective while I would like to be fitter, I'm feeling pretty strong and I'm not uninjured and that's kind of the best you can hope for really as a 41 year old at this point. (...) From a planning point of view, I feel like we're much more behind than I'd like to be, but we are where we are and it will happen like it does with every festival I've ever put on in every event I've ever done.(...) But what about you two? How are you feeling about your training and how are you feeling?(...) You can go first Alex. (...) To be honest,(...) we did our first 50 miler in June, it seems like a long time away, but I got injured and didn't run for a month and then tried and that hurt. So I had another month, so it's been a long summer for me, but I'm running pain-free which I feel great about because I know my job is not to run 26 miles a day. It's to make sure that you are looked after in whatever capacity that means, but I'm happy to get on the road, do some miles and I feel good enough shapes through that and that's yeah. How much do you want to be running? Do you think when we're out there mileage? Yeah, I honestly, do you know what? I'm totally a solo runner. Yeah, so if I was in your shoes, I mean, we might be sending you to the shops to run. Yeah, on other stuff that we've done before the whole pace I think is always when you need a marker, you need to hit a certain bit and you need you're in navigation. It's not going to be a problem for us plus the van. So essentially, it would be nice to do some time on feet. Of course it would but it's not about me. So yeah, but you're quite fit people though, I guess is what I mean. So you're going to want to be getting some exercise done while we're out there too. How about you now? How are you feeling?(...) Yeah, I feel good. I feel like I probably could have done some more recently off the back of the Great North Run, which you smashed by the way. Yeah, I mean, didn't have the best lead up to that. I seem to be making a reoccurring thing with my last couple of races where I've had some form of sickness or stomach problem, but we got through it and that was the main thing just kind of managing it in the moment. Natalie, I'm going to come in here definitely wants to be on the road more than me. I love the idea of being out there. I love the idea of Natalie riding the whole thing with me. And if we'd had enough, I think feel like if we'd had enough money and resources, then we could have just got Natalie and running together the whole time. But because she's like, we need to create about seven gazillion Instagram rules today to remain relevant to this fast-paced society. Yeah, sorry.(...) I'm your micro niche influencer over here. Yeah,(...) I mean, I'd love to run some of it each day. I really like supporting you on the coast to coast and even though it might have been like 10k at the start of the day or 10k towards the end of the day. I mean, some days I did run the whole kind of day with you, (...) but we just kind of played it by ear, didn't we? And see what you wanted. (...) But it was nice to just be out there and experience what you're experiencing and that's what I'm most looking forward to in India is the culture and the cuisine and the food and documenting that. But yeah, my main job is kind of supporting Joelle with the kind of filming content. Like you said, got to hit those milestones with getting people to follow us and also support. We've got a very ambitious fundraising target with some great charity partners, which were announced recently. (...) And so our biggest challenge and opportunity while out there is just making sure that we're amplifying message and showing what's possible for ordinary people as Tom Reynolds put it at Run the Club on Wednesday night when they hosted the track on the Club for Project Salt Run. Oh, yeah. (...) So yeah, that was yeah, show them what's possible for ordinary people because we're not athletes, elite athletes. We are just hobby runners. Is that what he said? I'm trying to remember now how he is. No, he's cornered. He fraced me so well. I call him the dirtbags. Yeah, he's a writer, isn't he? Annoying. He's got a very, he's yeah, he's very eloquent. So he has a very good way with words. (...) Okay, so we've got a couple of things here, Natalie. (...) Jiral wants to know what's been happening behind the scenes online and how you are planning to keep me going when I hit the low points. (...) I guess that's an Alex question as well. That's why they designed me.(...) Vibe architect. If anyone doesn't know. Yeah, yeah, that's why Alex is coming out by the way. He's an in-demand vibe architect, which is why he's not been on the podcast much. (...) Say it a minute. (...) That's my role. That's everyone's role. Of course is to be there to provide morale, but I fully, I'm selfless in these situations. I know when you're in the dregs, mate. I'm ready. I'm down there. I'm ready.(...) I can't that I'm not I can't I'm gonna say I can't wait for you to be in. That's not what I want, but you get. (...) How could you well, I'm just I'm just ready. I've got to be there team player. Yeah, what do you think that I would agree? I mean, there's times when you've been in that pit and you need someone to drag you out, but you are good at that to be fair as someone that can vouch because you've always been there for my races. Even the Great North Run you came all the way across from Scotland to stand in the middle of a dual Carriageway (...) screaming and cheering me on. So yeah, you've always got that endless energy source and can just pick people up and carry them on their way when you need it. So I think you'll be good at that. And what about the unknowns then? What are you kind of bracing yourself for when it comes to the unknown? Alex is worried about stomach issues happening. It is it is to wear nappies guys. I need to know what we're doing out there, you know, but what I'm actually worried about I'll be honest stray dogs.(...) Yeah in villages and stuff like that. I'm a bit because you know, some people said they don't get treated that way out there and then they don't want to come to you and I think oh, what if they just didn't I don't know just yeah, I'm alright with dogs. Normally. I just got this thing about stray dogs and then apart from that traffic, I suppose is a genuine thing for us in it. Like we don't know the road is running on the roads all the time. What exactly especially near the near to Delhi and the built-up areas. It's very busy. It's going to be mental experience that first hand. It's crazy, but I'm excited about getting positive attention from people because there's gonna be a lot of people wanting to run along and follow and be interested, you know, yeah, I think so. (...) Yeah, how about you? (...) Anything that happened there? (...) In terms of challenging I think heat initially is obviously we're going into autumn winter over here, but more autumn but there has been a temperature shift recently feels like it's been like 25 degrees and I got my skull felt for my skull felt this week under 10 some days. I think I woke up to like three degrees when my car was iced over the other day. Yeah, that's really on the boat. I think just the temperature initially will be difficult to adjust to and just the microorganisms in the air are different over there. Aren't they? (...) I think what you touched on in terms of I know I've said this in my podcast as well in terms of animals and snakes and spiders and stuff, but that still could be a real thing. But yeah, I feel more confident that we've had our vaccination knowing that we have some level of protection if something did happen. Can I ask you a running point of view? So what are your, what am I worried about? (...) Well, I've only just found a pair of shoes that aren't giving me problems and that's been nothing to do with the makes of shoes. You know, they've been great shoes that I've had. It's just the shape of the shape of my feet and because I've got one leg a centimeter and a half longer than the other that also makes a difference to my running gate. (...) So having shoes that are slightly bigger and like I did a three-hour run today three-hour run yesterday and like my feet, you know, feel fine. You know, sometimes they feel sore at the edges because your shoes have been too tight.(...) I feel you've been fine. I'm actually a bit annoyed because it was the Lady Bower 52k today. (...) Yesterday. (...) Yeah, and I, yeah, a year ago since we did that. And I just it had so slipped my mind how when it was I wish we'd done it before we'd gone to just see how my time would have improved and how my because when I finished that last year, I was so sick when I crossed that finish line. I thought I was going to puke the whole way in the car on the way home and I ended up I ended up getting to the boat (...) and literally falling asleep in my sweaty kit and waking up like six hours later. I think it was just it was just a vial like I just was a complete like wreck and I'd just be interested to see how that how that would have gone out big.(...) That was my first big experience of running a big thing. That was your first ultra. It was my first ultra. (...) Yeah. Yeah. (...) Yeah. Next week. You've done many orchards. You've done the Pembrokeshire coastline. I mean, I've done over 10 orchards. Coaster Coats. Yeah, ridiculous.(...) Boring now. Now I'm going to do over a hundred. (...) I think everyone who listens to the podcast knows why I'm doing it. Lots of different reasons, personal challenge. My dad's in India, you know, be cool to just experience the country that he's from and all of that kind of stuff. But you know, I don't think a lot of people know on the pod that we didn't know each other. (...) No, like we've not known. We didn't know each other when Project Sort 1 started. (...) You know, I've been telling a story to everyone this week. (...) So before you start, I'd also like to say Alex didn't even know why he was doing Project Sort 1 until July when he listened to me talk at Love Channels and apparently turned around to someone went, oh, that's why we're doing it then. So whatever he's about to come out of his mouth, I just want to just give a bit of context. Okay, go on. Yeah, go on. Well, I said, I remember you basically said,(...) told me the history of your dad and the customs line, all this stuff that people know. But you went, well, I'm thinking about it, but I don't run. So,(...) and then you said, well, if I can run 50k by what's over then I think I'll be there. So then I think, God, that's 18 months. Like you forget that, like I said, we've known each other that long and then you exactly what you just said about Lady about coming this way touch wood. I'm going to jinx it. But like absolutely unwavering you have been the whole time, you know, just step by step by step every bit of plan you've put in and you built up incrementally. Thanks to Nina as well. Yeah, Nina's been amazing. All years and all the invention. It's just been amazing to just watch your progress even as someone who's involved in this project. How many times I've said to you, Hannah, I just go and do my little day job. Yeah,(...) and it's just grown like another 10% this whole thing. So I mean to me, it's just like how could you not follow this? You guys listening to this? How can you, you know, it's just I feel so fortunate to be on. I've gone off topic. I don't even know where we started. No, no, because we were talking about our personal motivations for being involved because like we met when Dan was doing the big rounds and you were both supporting him and that's how we met for the first time. And I think Project Sought One was only just an idea then because I think I did my first training one end of May and wasn't that run beginning of June, like very early June. (...) So I don't remember that conversation in the car, but it does sound like me. I decided to do something two weeks ago, but I don't even run sort of. I've only just started running and the fact that you can sat there and you were like, okay. (...) I was trying to remember the point at which we were, we joined the project. Because again, you're all sort of physically go, you want to come? Yeah, but I think it was. (...) I think it was around them because I was like really trying to convince Natalie that she should run the whole thing with me. Yeah, because I was like, I don't know how to do it, but Natalie looks like she knows what she's doing. And I remember when she walked into the first thing I noticed when Natalie walked into the Airbnb at Dan's was she's just like so you can tell she goes to the gym. She's just pure muscle. It's like amazing looking body and I was like she'll look after me or she can carry me. I was just like that is it that is you could just tell it's somebody who works out and is fit and I was just like so I was trying to convince Natalie like from the beginning and to remember this conversation. It's not going to me because I don't take any of them boxes unfortunately. So there you go. Well, Natalie, why did you what kind of got you into Project Sort Run then? (...) What's why you committed to it? I guess that's the question. What's your personal motivation to be to be part of this? (...) Oh, there's I feel like there's too many asset that avenues we could go down with this. (...) I think first up is just because you almost started running last year and the whole reasoning behind the project linking back to where your dad's from the colonial history piece with the salt hedge obviously that linking to the British Empire (...) and obviously we live in Britain. Yeah. (...) Being well have travels to India previously and have wanted to go back. It was a great opportunity also to do something that has never ever been done before. It is pretty special and I don't know anyone that would kind of not really want to take up that opportunity to be part of a world first.(...) It's never been done before. (...) I mean, (...) yeah, the most words most words guys. I think there's so many different avenues that I could go down with this on why I'd like to be part of the project, but independently it's just supporting you on something that has been your goal for so many years. (...) And I know you're originally going to do it by rickshaw, which obviously sounds pretty fun less challenging, but(...) it's like a tuk-tuk. Oh, yeah. I mean, how cool would that be? (...) But then you wouldn't have to run it. It would be over so quick though if you did it like that wouldn't I mean, I guess they don't go super well. My original plan was had been when I met Joelle at the adventure travel Film Festival that I converted a tik-tok into a traveling cinema and I traveled down the length of the head showing adventure films on the back of my traveling cinema. That's pretty cool. Maybe we can go and show you the film afterwards. I have to. We can create the film. Yeah, yeah on a tuk-tuk through India again. (...) Back again. (...) Well, let's just let's do it the first time and then decide whether we want to do it the second time. But yeah, and I'm really looking forward to documenting it(...) as well. (...) Whilst showing it from the perspective of Hannah running, but also to show what is needed behind the scenes, which sometimes is forgotten about in projects like this. You don't really see the day-to-day run-ins. You just see the person running. I think it's really important to capture all of the places and people that we meet in between. Yeah, and we've always said Project Salt Run is a team. Yeah. And I know like I'm the loudest voice and I'm the one coming out there and I'm maybe I'm like the catalyst, I guess that got the thing started but would not have been possible without everybody involved in the team. And that's why we've had the podcast so we can share that behind the scenes work or the amount of work that goes into it from so many different people. And for me that was important because as someone who loves to go on adventures, what used to frustrate me when I see other adventure or travel documentaries is they just make it look so easy. Like, oh, yeah, we just got loads of money. We've gone and done this thing and there we go. You get none of the like difficulty for the fun-mazing or how many people on the team had to be there to make that happen. I was listening to Jamie Lang's podcast and he was saying when he turned up to do his five ultras in five days, he turned up on the first day and he said there was like 50 people in a hotel, like room in London, getting him prepared, you know, from the BBC and from Comic Relief. (...) I mean, we don't have 50 people but there has been a ton of people involved in making Project Salt Run happen. As I quite like sharing that behind the scenes bit, I think that's what makes the story as well. Right. Yeah, go on now. I was going to say from my perspective, I have no idea what it was, what it has to or didn't have any idea what it would take to put this in place, to back up what you're saying. You know, it is outrageous, isn't it? Yeah, the amount that's gone into it is to get this far. But in terms of commitment as well, just to say that ultimately right, I think that especially in this country and especially(...) our situation where we are and something that you really bore out of me is this ability to take risks and be prepared to take risks, live a little bit dangerous, live a little bit on the edge and it makes you, gives you so much confidence to do stuff that you would never do. I know in life people talk about going out in the comfort zone, it doesn't have to be going on a worldwide adventure. You know, I was talking to my uncle about this. It can be a simple thing as daring to recondition that table over there to reupholster or, you know, do something different that you wouldn't do. And it's totally inspiring knowing that actually when you think about it, we in this country, not speaking for everyone, but certainly where we are now are so privileged to be in a position where no matter what we do, we can come home. Yeah, and we've got people around us, our supporters and help facilitate this and we're going to a country where those people(...) are just trying to get through a day. Yeah, you know, so why wouldn't you exercise the power that you've got? (...) So when he does speak, it's quite nice. And I say to other people as well and talk about the project just to be quick that you can come whatever angle you want. If you like your adventure, you like the history or you like the personal personability about it, but that is the one thing for me, you cannot, you know, underestimate about this project is the power to actually just take control of your potential, you know, what you have the capacity to do more with what you've got. Does that make sense? Yeah, but again, but again, that goes back to surrounding yourself with those right people, which we've talked about a lot before, which is when I have had those days where and you know, I had it, for example, Friday night, I got back home. (...) It's supposed to be the summer party in the office. I was knackered. I just done a keynote speech at a sustainability conference,(...) met loads of lovely people, but met loads of people, lots of networking from like the whole day, got home, got back to the office, loads of people. I thought I can't do this. I've just got to go home and I sat down and I was making a dinner, I'm an idiot, which you know, what one of those is now and I sat and I was like all comfy, had the rage-a-ton, had like my nice comfort dinner one and I was like, I just need this and a good night's sleep. And then I had a panic attack because I thought I'm not going to be able to do this in India.(...) I'm not going to be able to remove myself from that stressful situation where I'm going to just be in it. It's going to be constant and there's a lot of pressure in in that, but then I text a few people and a few people were like, sort your head out, you'll be fine, don't worry about it. And then I'm like, well, I guess I will be then, just get on with it. So I think it is an element of self-belief and risk and pushing yourself, but also that only, that is only possible when the people around you are helping you do that. You've got security, haven't you? Yeah. You're still going to have that because you've got a pod.(...) You connect with all these people, so they'll be there for you the whole step, you know, and that's the part of the team as well. Yeah. And that's another thing with the project as well. It's all about people and planet and there's so many things intertwined with the Earth Business Network and what you do(...) with your role and the company. It's all connected to Project Salt Room as well. Like we're trying to show how this great hedge of India affected so many people in India and how people took more than they needed and put a lot of people in poverty. (...) We're wanting to kind of raise awareness, which I feel like we have done and are continuing to do and kind of bring in this history to life that I didn't know when I was growing up. You don't learn this in school.(...) You learn about what great things we did as the British Empire but not sometimes the bad things. Yeah. (...) And I think that in itself is,(...) yeah, it's what we need to hear and also how we can do good in the world. So there's lots of things with the project that,(...) yeah, are good and we need to get involved with and we've connected with so many people like what we have almost 1500 followers now on Instagram. Oh, yeah, big deal now. We've come from zero. I mean the fact that I got that veil were placement bus today and no one stopped me. They probably just thought there's no way someone like Hannah Cox will be getting on this well placement bus on a Sunday. Shouldn't she get an Uber? She wouldn't stand for this longer journey. Yeah, you say that but there's been so many amazing milestones since you started that last year. You were not a runner and you know, if someone had said to you or if you'd said someone last year, I am going to be running the coast to coast next year. I think most people do that. Okay, then you did it. You run an ultra in five months. Then you went on to run the Pembrokeshire coast then the coast coast. I just think anything is possible and when you've got a good team around you that believe in the project then I think it's possible. (...) Yeah, and I think that's why this project matters. I think because it's very easy to feel pretty disillusioned at the moment with all the crap that's happening in the world, you know, not naming any political leaders or any political things but you know, we know there's a lot of crap going on and that can make you feel so so unempowered like the opposite. You're just like what difference can I make is just one person when you've got billionaires making these huge decisions, you know,(...) you know, Elon Musk getting on YouTube saying the British government needs to be overthrown. It's just absolute madness going on at the moment and it can just make you think like what's the point in me even trying to do anything and I think I think that's where I was last year. I was just thinking I'm just trying to do all this good work with the Better Business Network and it just feels like I felt like I was on a sinking ship of humanity with like a little thimble trying to like keeping myself busy like keeping myself busy in my nice little corner with all the nice purpose-driven businesses all trying to do nice things together and while we weren't ignoring all the bad stuff going on. We were like, well, there's not much we can do there. So I feel like Project Sult Run is almost like my way of like facing it head-on and like what if we do raise a million pounds of charity like how insane. I hope the legacy will go on and then it doesn't matter what the time scale is. I mean, obviously you probably got a time scale on. No, we'll get there. We'll get there. But I think that for me the project matters for me because it's continued in the last 18 continues to be for me a story of like what's possible. I know that's we've said that's the tagline whatever like it genuinely is like if we can do this, what else can we do and what else can other people do? It's a can-do isn't it? It's a can-do attitude.(...) It's a can-do attitude.(...) I feel like we should wrap up relatively soon mostly because I'm going to make you give me a lift home so I don't have to get the bar Salix. (...) One of the many things we do here in the next one. But there's a couple of things I'm just looking at. Sorry for like sounding like I'm blah blah blah but it's because it was giving me a bit of a list of things he wants us to chat about on the on our little WhatsApp group. So he's obviously asked us about why the project matters, which I think we've kind of talked about a little bit. But he's also said what's a moment on memory so far that that's reminded them reminded us of why it matters why this project matters. (...) Well right now, but I mean probably what we talked about. (...) Just what's the word? (...) I'm trying to say it encapsulate in the last year and a half. Yeah, or just like a moment like what? What is just is was it has there been like a moment or a memory or just like something that's happened in the last(...) year and a half where you've been like, yeah, this is why what we're doing makes is really important. (...) I can't think of a specific moment because every single thing that we've done projects Salt Run has been something that has made me think this is why we're doing it. Whether it's hearing you at Love Trails talk on the panel with Green Runners, whether it's been just posting about the podcast and all the amazing people and chatting to them about Project Salt Run and amplifying why we're doing it from hearing the story of the Great Hedge in the first place and the book by Roy Moxon all the stuff that you do and the better business network and promoting sustainability (...) and looking after people in the planet. (...) There's been some and so many memories. I think from there. Oh my god, we did this and it was a success was definitely the coast to coast that was by far the biggest kind of challenge.(...) Obviously most of the team were there and we had very challenging weather as well. It went from one extreme to the other but finishing that(...) that was fantastic and that just showed me that Hannah really can do anything. (...) She's got the resilience even if you are in physical pain. I'm tough. The one thing that I've learned from that as well is the humming and the singing that you do when you're in the pain cave.(...) She'll just do this like I mean, yeah, but it got you through the (...) we talked about what our microphone is this evening. (...) On the end of a spatula. It'll be fantastic. We have stream this live on film. It'll be good one moment for you Hannah. (...) A pit of mises. I mean you you're invested in this every single day of your life. So it's probably hard to say isn't it for one moment. (...) I wouldn't say I've had one particular moment where I've been like, yeah,(...) this is like (...) I think for me, I'm constantly feeling like I'm not doing enough on it. Like it's there's so much to do that. I'm like literally waking up at 3 in the morning and even to the point where I'm not videoing enough. I'm not documenting enough. I'm not like keeping people up to date enough, but it's like there's so much. (...) There's so much going on. We're just kind of on that like roller coaster of like just I feel like I'm on a hamster wheel. I just have to keep going but I think I would agree with Natalie. The coast to coast was amazing. Just how everybody came together for that. But I also I think for me probably not very projects or unrelated but love trials festival. Yeah for me was was actually probably my best and favorite memory so far. I think because Dan was there and we hadn't seen because Dan and has been away from the project working working on his other stuff for him to be to get back with us was amazing. So I just love spending time with Dan at love trials with Will Robinson and Jane and Taz and we had a proper community (...) together actually. I was trying to remember (...) the last time that I had been out with a big group of friends like that and had as much fun and hadn't been like I don't I have friends but I don't have like a I feel like I've tripled my friendship group doing project sort run and that was just this the most wholesome weekend. I think I've had as an adult, you know people not drinking people just having a good time playing in the city playing ball like yeah, we just had an absolute blast for three days at love trials and that was probably that my absolute highlight of this experience because (...) yes, we were there because of project sort run and to promote project sort run, but actually it was just being there as a group of friends having a really good time with a bunch of people. So I think that's been my best memory of the whole yeah, do you feel like that kind of gave you a bit of a reset chance to really go do you have a great time? I'm ready to go again. Now. Let's put my energy back into project all these people with me. Yeah, I mean, yeah, and then I did the 2020 challenge and like nearly killed myself and ended up in a bit. (...) I've got a question for you. Okay, go. So obviously we're like three weeks away now three weeks time. This will be our last sleep in UK for many months.(...) So what are the three things? (...) What do you mean? Well, he's been here last night in a hotel is on the boat. No, so I leave I leave I'm gonna be in London. You got like a nice swanky hotel. What a nice bath. (...) Do you know why we've got no money left exactly because I've spent it all on a night. My mom's friendly and is kindly let me stay in there and flat because they're in Malaysia. So I'll be staying in London. You'll be so yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry. Yeah, no, I interrupted my question. So what are the three things that between now and then surely the mics picking up? Sorry. We had a really lovely dinner, but my stomach is go out. (...) I think it's cuz I ate it too far. So it's like yes. (...) Sorry. What was the question? (...) Yeah, I'll start again. So the three weeks away. What are the three things that you want to achieve between now and then project salt run wise? (...) Okay. Well,(...) I think the obvious one for me is sort of go up the filming permits and the insurance. (...) So basically getting that finalizing the logistics better(...) that really needs to be sorted massively.(...) The other thing I really want to get sorted project salt run wise is I'd feel much more confident if we had enough money in the bank that covers everybody's wages for the whole trip because we're not quite there yet and everyone signed their contract. So that's a little bit of a worry for me. So money is a worry for me always and I just feel like focusing a bit more on the finances and the money and all the people that said their supporters or just making sure I'm just (...) letting everybody know as a feeling that I've done as much as I possibly can before we go is important. So I guess yeah for me, it's the kind of main logistic bits. Second bit is really just trying to get some more sponsorship over the line in the next couple of weeks. (...) And then the third thing. (...) I think. (...) Trying to. (...) Enjoy it as well and trying to document as much of it as possible. I think is important for me the next three weeks because I think it's just going to go so quick. And if I don't write down hand feeling or tape videos and stuff, I'm going to really regret it. So I think those are the three things project salt run wise. I'm going to focus on. (...) And oh, yeah. (...) So I guess like wrapping up how can people follow along support or get involved with project salt run? (...) Like JF5 watch listen be present. (...) Duck, you know all the things that we talked about I would say tonight. Maybe think about why it means to you actually, you know, why are you following this part? Is it because you love Hannah? Is it because you love the adventure? Like what is it? Have a look at PSR online. Make sure I've read some great articles on BBC. I've got a good one here. I'm not sure yet. My patients came in she was like I bought you this thing and I've been looking at the hedge of India. Okay, nice. (...) Yeah, I think we'd probably like to hear more from anyone that's listening to the podcast and the Instagram and everything. Be great to hear why people are interested and what kind of things they want to learn about. But yeah, it's just listen to the podcast. Follow us along on Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn, YouTube and the ground thunder.(...) Yes, and if you have been thinking about donating and you haven't been able to get around to it yet now would be an absolutely wonderful time to help us out. We've got a new trailer coming out in a few weeks and we can't wait to show you. Yeah, and we've still got spaces left if anyone wants to sponsor a day. Yes. When we're out in India. There's no space on the van. There's no space on the van. Yeah, I don't think anyone wants to sleep in the van. (...) But yeah, and equally any feedback around what you'd like to see on our socials moving forward, what you like, what you don't like, what you'd like to see more of. We're always grateful for any feedback and just yeah, keep listening to the podcast because we're only a few weeks away now. So and there's been some great, there's been some great and there's been some awesome podcast releases recently. David Bone.(...) We've had Nina on again to talk about training. (...) Obviously this one will be coming out which is going to be amazing. Yeah, sorry. Can I just come before we disappear? (...) Did I have you, how do you look to listen to that podcast with Joelle and Nina yet?(...) I've listened to a small snippet of it, but I've not listened to the full thing. I obviously heard this section that you shared where Joelle was like, oh, yeah, it's going to be a shit show. But that's just like Joelle and his humor, right? I mean, Joelle, I think maybe we need to have a chat. Yeah. Yeah,(...) maybe love. He's doing his best to plug it. Maybe we'll get that on the car. Yeah. (...) This podcast not gonna have his voice on it, is it? He'll do a little intro and outro. He needs to, he needs to, you know, he's not. He'll do a little intro and outro and he'll put some weird music in like he always does. (...) So thank you everybody. Thank you for listening. That was us bumbling on in Alex, in Casa Sage. Casa Sage. I'm going to close out with this quote by the way that Okay, let's see. Crossage put on her Instagram when she finished the Southwest Coast Path, which if you don't know is Devon way. She set a new FKT fastest known time, but she finished with what if I fail? (...) Oh, but my darling, what if you fly? (...) And that's what we're going to leave you on for the project Salt Run. And good night. Good night.