Convergence: Power of Alignment

In this powerful episode of Casting the Net, I sit down with writer, speaker, and teacher David Alan Brown for a meaningful conversation about what it really takes to live in alignment. We talk about his Convergence framework and how our emotions, actions, and higher purpose can work together instead of against each other. If you’ve ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, emotionally disconnected, or like your inner world is pulling you in too many directions, this episode is for you. David shares how his Convergence framework helps people move beyond negative self-talk, honor what they feel, and replace confusion with truth. This conversation is full of insight for anyone who feels stuck, overwhelmed, emotionally disconnected, or ready to live from a more centered and loving place.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Happy Monday and welcome to Casting the Net, Real England Holistic Health, where we care about your mental health and well-being. I'm your host, Coach Bryce, and I want to make sure that you come in every Monday at 8 a.m. Special Standard Time where I have my special guest on to talk about real issues that matter most. I want you to check us out on YouTube, Facebook Live, our business Facebook page, also on the Be Awesome Network. Stay tuned. I think you're gonna really like this next guest. Happy Monday and welcome to Casting the Net where we care about your mental health and well-being. I am your host, Coach Rice. And with me today, I have David Allen Brown. He is a writer and a speaker. So, David, tell us where you're from and what how did you embark upon being a speaker and a writer?

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Yeah, I don't know if it's one of those things you just wake up one of those days or it's just it happened naturally, or we just have this urge to sort of share what we know and we figure out a way to do it. Uh I'm thrilled to be with you today.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Uh, I'm talking to you from New York City right now, where I currently live for the last year. Uh, but I spent most of my life in Indiana, in Indianapolis, Indiana. So I have that sort of Midwestern bit to me. Uh I'm doing the big city for uh just a lot of fun and and uh living the most every day. So um, you know, how did you it kind of is what I was sort of joking, but it, you know, I I I became a leadership geek as a student. Like even in school, other kids were going to uh you know, to uh soccer camp or to cheerleading camp or to math camp. I went to leadership camp. Like I'm not kidding, like between my junior and senior years of high school, I went to one that was sponsored uh by Indiana University, one that was sponsored by the Red Cross, one that was sponsored by another nonprofit, all leadership. Like how, and you know, it's great because most of them were like, okay, we'll get these young people to go back into their communities and do cool stuff, which we did. But what I came to quickly learn was well, this is like, this is just people making stuff. This is like how do you recognize the awesomeness in people and how do you see it in yourself and believe in it, and then start to communicate it and interact in a way where people just feel very empowered and feel strong and know that they have what it takes to make a difference in their own lives and others. So as I started to do that more and more after college, uh, then you know, people would I would develop workshops. I was working for nonprofits that was that were developing leaders. I was uh, you know, showing up places, people asked me to speak, uh mostly to young people, but then, oh, well, do you speak to college HP? Oh, sure. Oh, well, what about adults? We have this volunteer group. Oh, sure. You know, so I would show up wherever people wanted to sort of hear my message. And then eventually people are like, well, do you have a book? And so I had so I got a book. And uh, and so I've been doing it for a long time now. And now I've uh started a new uh direction that's really about kind of my life's work, putting it all together.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

So, what message are you wanting to give people out of your writing?

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Yeah, I think fundamentally it really comes from two places. The the overarching message is that we're here for a reason, and that when we deny that, or or uh whether that's on purpose, like oh, I don't want to engage, or uh subliminally like, oh, I'm not really important. Either way, we're missing the point, which is the universe really needs you. They really where you are and and and the the place that you are, and the people that you're coming in contact with, both in known relationships and in the perchance ones, they're all there for a reason. And us showing up as our most awesome, I don't know, most amazing, most powerful, most, I mean, let's get to it, most loving self is really the point. And it's hard. That's the other side. So one is okay, here's the grand scheme of it. The other side is, and we're human beings, and things are difficult. And sometimes we worry about rent, and sometimes we don't feel so great, and sometimes our emotions get a little out of whack, and sometimes we forget to invite a higher power into our thinking. And so it takes practice, it takes awareness, and and it takes some work, and so both things are true. Like you're amazing, and it's hard to be amazing all the time. So we got you, we got you back, and we love you when you when you're maybe at 20 or 60 or 80, and we're so glad that you're trying uh as much as you can.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

It is hard to be amazing, and it really is, right? And so And so you you really have this heart to help people uh find a purpose. How did you find yours?

SPEAKER_02 5:04

I found mine in the faces of others, which is an interesting way to approach it, because to some degree we're kind of taught, oh, what other people think about you doesn't matter. And the fact is that what they thought about me didn't matter as much as how I could see and experience when something real was going on. Now, sometimes that might be uh an emotional connection uh like falling in love. Sometimes it might be a wonderful uh interpersonal connection like becoming a friend. Sometimes it might be someone who was in a class of mine who I could see the aha moment, uh I could see a little spark in their eyes. Sometimes it might be a stranger that I performed a kindness for or did one for me. And you just, it's one of those things that you just remember as you go through your day. It's in the faces of other people. And really, when I struggled in my life, and I think back about the times when it's been especially difficult, I realized how isolated and alone and how uh and sometimes those are kind of harsh words. Sometimes in the most positive way, I thought I was independent and strong and could do it all myself. And however that came to me, looking back, I realized, oh no, that's when I was out of sync and struggling, and it was really hard. So, I mean, full circle, it's in the faces of others, which means I have to be interacting with others in order for it to work.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

That is important, right? And most people don't think it's important to interact with others, they isolate.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Well, yeah, and and we get trained, don't we, in our culture to be pretty wary of others, you know, and to make sure you know where you're safe and who what might their intentions be, and are you sure, and this and that, and and you know, some of that you know, I was about to say some of that is justified, and I think that some of it is, but I think maybe it's a much, much smaller percentage than what we sometimes take on. And one of the things that I've discovered, uh, not a hundred percent of the time, is that when I'm vulnerable and when I'm showing up uh in that presence, that even if something doesn't happen the way I thought I would it would, that I can still get a reflection back of something that says I was in the right place at the right time, being the best me I could at that time. And so life lived today check.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

And so you have tell us about the book, the book, the books or the books that you the book that you wrote.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Well, so I have three books, uh and they've kind of evolved. And and so the first one I wrote when I was in my 20s. It's about uh spiritual doctrine called A Course in Miracles. It's kind of progressive, uh new thought, and it's very academic. I like it, but I read it back nowadays and I'm like, man, I was really trying to sound pretty smart there because it's like here's all this theory, and here's how the kind of all this stuff works, and isn't it interesting how to play? Okay, it's not bad. I like the premise of it, which is that you know, it's called the self-help paradox. And my frustration was you go into a bookstore, pretty much find any self-help book, tells you whatever it is you want to believe. And it's like, well, what am I really supposed to do? So I took some of those contradictions and I sort of worked through them. Like, for example, one would be um uh if if I if I want something to happen, am I supposed to vision it out in every detail in order to manifest it? Or am I supposed to just let it go and trust the universe that it'll come to me? Like there are different perspectives on something like that. So it was fun and I like it, and I certainly recommend it. You can probably find it somewhere in the world. That was good. Then the second book came along uh about eight years later because my mom uh was diagnosed with leukemia.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

And so we went through the uh journey of her uh experience and her hospitalization and all that, and everything that was theoretical in my life before what I believed in higher power, what I thought prayer was for, what I thought about the energy dynamics in a room, what I thought about uh loving and caring for someone who is ailing and giving of myself and receiving support as a son of the pig. All that was real. And so that second book was uh Answer the Call, What to Do When Spirit Arrives to Transform Your Life. And that's an e-book. I know it's available, and that is hey, what I was just saying, this is hard sometimes. Things come along, and it was suddenly this amazing ability to see that oh, all of these things that I knew were out there, they that this stuff really works, like you know. Okay, and so uh and so I I'm I'm really proud of that book. And I it really shows a real life application of of uh living fully and and trusting in in love and and and building community and those types of things.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

My most recent thing is kind of a culmination that's come after being a stay-at-home dad, going through some mental health struggles, uh, going through divorce, rediscovering myself, uh, remembering who I was, remembering some of the things for anyway, big compilation of, yeah, but how does this really work? And this is an online course called Convergence. People can sign up for it or go through it in their own. There's videos and you know, slideshows that I talk about, and then there's lots of exercises where it's very, very experiential, and it's designed to help people understand the very practical, both day-to-day and in a bigger scheme, tools that we have that we could put into use in any instance to help us regulate, understand, make decisions, find center, set goals, move forward, and support ourselves as humans. You know, there's this great sometimes people used to like to use this phrase um uh we're spiritual beings having a human experience. Have you ever heard that? Right. Well, right. You know, I came to a point in my old eight, no, in my 50s, where I was like, you know what? A lot of days I just feel like a human being trying to have a spiritual experience. And so what do I do when this body, this experience, this place, this money system I work in, this family I'm a part of, you know, when the real stuff in life is happening, how do I integrate that into? And so it became a real sense of self-discovery because I realized there were times when I was stuck in some of those places, including being too spiritual or being too human or being too emotional, and then realizing, oh, all these things can work together in this really magical, wonderful way.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

Right. And so the you know, um, the convergence framework that you do is in your is it's in your book and you have a course. Do you offer the course or is that part of the book, or how does that work?

SPEAKER_02 12:21

So convergence is just an online thing. Uh, it's not an actual printed book. And there's you sign up and there's a full-on like it's online. You go through my website and find it, and you but you also become part of a community. We do meetings regularly, we talk about what it is we're working on, where we're struggling. Uh, I do a little, you know, sort of additional teaching type of stuff. But that whole that whole thing is online, and there's different versions of it. People can go through and like certainly email me if they have questions about it.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

Okay. So so what does, you know, as we talk about this when you have a challenge in your life, uh what is the most common sentence you take say to yourself to get through the challenge?

SPEAKER_02 13:10

That's such a great question. What's the most common sentence I say to myself? Um, you know, lately because I do, I I uh I write things on my windows, reminders. So um one of the most common is be here now. Uh, and that helps take all this magical thinking, both either positive or this doomsday thinking that's not, and like, okay, what's really real? Because sometimes sometimes my body is responding to things, sometimes it's truly, you know, just uh a chemical reaction. Like, okay, let's just get centered. Uh, but I'll tell you the other one that's really been amazing for me lately is um is I'm here, and what that has meant for me, I've I've realized that of the and just a little context there for me, there's three voices, there's three sort of inputs. I call them voices because I'm so verbal. And so one is the emotional kind of the root self of who this body is, one is the doing self, like who we are in this world that we exist in, the things that we actually do, and then one is the higher self, higher power, however you and your listeners define it. I'm not starting to share it's like whatever's working. I found that I struggled with inviting in, because that's what I really believe it is, it's a partnership, inviting in higher power. And I really was working on a mantra lately that just helped me remember to bring that voice into play. Because it's so easy sometimes to, well, not it became easier for me, it wasn't always easy to have this emotional reaction to realize oh, I'm easy. And then we live in a world that's always about, well, then what are you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do about it? And I very much got caught in those for a while, and I found that the answer consistently, like the whole conversation, the agreement, the convergence doesn't work if higher power isn't there. And so I really came up with something. How do I continue to remind myself? And so the one I've been working on is I'm here, and that's the voice of higher power. It's not it, it's it's and the reason it's I is because I believe in the great I am, because I believe in the integrated self with higher power, and so it wasn't a hey, are you out there type of thing? It wasn't you recognize his presence. I wanted it to be something that was like, wait, I'm here, which means all of me, all of my emotions, all of my actions, and all of my spiritual intuit, all of my greater, bigger so I'm here, I'm here, and that thanks a lot because then kind of I know how to enter into the conversation from there. That's just a centering moment. Like, I'm here. Yes, I'm here, and it just and that that tends to be a place to start.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

I I I I I I definit I definitely can relate to um your nervous system being uh interrupted or and you have to center yourself in the mornings. I do that uh breathing exercise. And when I'm doing my breathing exercises, I say to myself, I'm safe because God is with me. I'm safe because he's ready to, you know, I I do that because it it's telling my regular my nervous system, I'm safe, because the nervous system can be out of out of sync.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Yes, and I've had that experience too, and consistently for a while during great transitions in my life. Waking up anxious is a remarkably like disorienting thing. Like, because part of what it does is it reminded me how much was going on in my subconscious. Like, yes, nothing's I'm literally in bed, I've been doing nothing for between six and eight hours, and I've woken up in this state, and it really raised my awareness of how much physiology is involved here. And I love what you're expressing. Okay, so when you recognize that, okay, what tool do you have? Breathing is such a good one, just to get yourself even before you stand up.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

And I practice it because it helps me to keep uh my skill set going because the breathing is a skill set.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

And so uh it uh instead of picking up my phone, which is gonna put me at my nervous system in a uh a movement mode when I'm trying to center.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

Right.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

So I put I don't want to touch the phone until I center myself and get my you know, devotion in it. Then we can now it's you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Yes, you're describing exactly what I'm saying, which is this sense of okay, so I've woken up emotional, and the first thing I did was take some sort of action, like either hop out of bed or pick up my phone without bringing in without bringing in the third voice, which okay, what's centered, like that's that's the whole point of the course is that we're it's the more we can operate from that balanced place, then the more actualized our life will be, and we'll be matching what I said at the very beginning, which is showing up as our best and most loving self. And so I love that example because so many people, I mean, people are like, Well, how do I know? How do I know? Well, if you're waking up anxious and you're taking action before you center, that would be one way to know. And so I that's a perfect example.

SPEAKER_03 18:39

And it's it's interesting because it sounds like the convergence, convergent convergence, uh work dealing with your inner voice. Yeah, so this would be great. Um, let me ask you this question, it's a fun one. Yeah, if your inner voice became your life coach, how would it help you grow?

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

No, my inner voice, the the link here is how would it or how would it hold you back?

SPEAKER_02 19:13

Sure. Because this is the this is exactly what see with this program, it's not one voice, it's the three voices, and they are my life coaches, and that's the thing. Where I have faltered before is when I thought one was more important than the other. That the doing was more important than the feeling, or that the feeling didn't need to have any sort of reassurance from higher power, or that I could do things out of my intellect without realizing that my body was freaking out because it wasn't the right thing to do, or I could do things without motivation because I didn't think I needed inspiration, capital I inspiration in order to be present on this planet. So, so that's what convergence is. So these voices, it's a little committee, and sometimes it gets confusing. I mean, I'll give you that. I call it a boardroom phenomenon. Exactly, right? But this notion that's a board meeting. We're not one thing. We're so interested. That's what I call it. I'm having a board meeting with myself. That's right. Let's have a little committee here. And the amazing thing is that so the way they the when they agree, there's uh there's a sense that comes over. And you know, and I I've tried to write about what it is, describe what it is. It I it's just it's just one you just know, like there's just a confidence and a strength and a and uh enthusiasm that when those voices agree, you're like, oh, right, this is what I'll do now. This is what I'll this is how I can resolve, this is how I can find peace, this is how I can be loving, this is how I can uh seek the next step in a in my career, in my life, or in in in that relationship, or et cetera. It it's it's that convergence is what how they let me go. What holds me back is when one of them has some sort of silly notion and feels like nobody else's opinion cares. And I and I speak about like nobody else in my head care, matters. Uh and so we're just gonna can I just tell you this? I'm gonna die to tell somebody this story because this just happened to me the other day. And it was the fastest convergence has ever worked for me. And so I'm so excited about it. And so tell us you can cut it out if you want to, but here it is. People are like, how does that work? And I have big long stories about it. Nope, this is how it worked the other day. It was just so beautiful. I was like, oh, nice job, everybody. I patted them all on the back. So I have uh, let's say, I don't want to give the, I don't want to tell the whole story. So, okay, I have a love interest in Miami. All right. Uh I'm in New York City. And I and I love this person without end. And it's a terrible relationship. Can't work, isn't good for me, it shouldn't happen. I know that already. You with me so far? I don't know if anybody or you listeners have a situation loving someone, but it's not gonna work out.

SPEAKER_03 21:59

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Got it so far? Okay. Got it so far. A friend has invited me to go on a cruise in June, and it goes out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, which many of you people might know is about 20 miles north of Miami. Any side of me, the dew side, gets this bright idea. I know. Let's reach out to so and so while we're in Fort Lauderdale. Hey, maybe that'll work. And my emotional side said, Are you insane? What are you talking about? That's crazy. Like, and freaked out. And so now part of me is getting real defensive. Well, I thought maybe it was just, aren't we over that yet? And no, we're not over that. Blah, blah, blah. So in comes inspiration, the voice of reason and calmness says, Okay, first of all, there's still love present. We're fine. Second of all, nobody's doing anything yet. And third of all, emotion, what are you like? Tell me. Like just take some space. And I took a breath and out came. It feels disrespectful. And action said, What do you mean? And there was the side, the emotional side said, you know how there's self-respect? This feels self-disrespectful. I feel disrespected that you would want to put me back in this situation with this person again. And higher power said, Well, that's not what we want for ourselves, is it? What do we want? Said, Well, what I want to be is to be perpetuating love as much as I can. And the answer was, Well, it doesn't sound like you would be perpetuating love to follow through on this suggestion. And the doing side sort of said, Yeah, you're right. I want to be a loving presence, not be in danger either. And so all of this happened in my head in about a minute. And all of a sudden we all said, Well, of course we're not going to reach out to so-and-so. And it was lovely that that relation happened. And I'm so glad that I can love them from afar. And that's the best way to love them. And so here we are, back being the loving being we wanted to be. Thank you very much. What's next on today's agenda? And it, but it happened that fast: an emotional reaction, a seeking truth in that emotional reaction, an understanding from the doing side, and an agreement on right, not only are we not going to do that, but here's why we're not going to do that. And the result of not doing that is going to be us being a loving person. Win, win, win. Let's move on. It's interesting how powerful agreement is.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

And alignment.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Right.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

The power of alignment.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

You bet. And don't think that my subconscious or whatever that silly part over there isn't going, yeah, but aren't you like we had a really good time? Are you sure? Like, oh yeah, the question keeps getting asked. But there's such confidence now in, but a decision has been made, and we know why we made that decision. And so here we go. Like, respect yourself. And it's not even like, I don't know if I want to do that because uh, but we did have fun, and uh maybe we'll see. It's like, wait, do you want to respect yourself? That's a core value of yours when the decision is made on that level instead of being left to Mr. Flippy Floppy over here, who thinks, well, may, I don't know, what if I happen to dial their number while we're done? No, we aren't none of that's gonna happen because fundamentally on a core belief of ours that all three parts of me agree on, which is we're gonna respect ourselves. This decision has been made. And that's really what convergence is. What are your core beliefs? How do you recognize how the three parts of you support each other in maintaining those core beliefs? And then how do you move forward with confidence because you're honoring yourself? And that self includes higher power, which means you're also honoring your place in the universe, honoring God, honoring what you're going to do today, showing up as a loving, caring being.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

So it's it's really tearing down negative self-self-talk big time. Like it, you know what, and I I I it's replacing it.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

It's it's I think that's maybe sometimes where we slip when we're doing when we're doing work. And and I was talking with a friend of mine even this morning about that sense of, you know, they were telling me a story, telling me a story, and then all of a sudden it was, I'm such an idiot. And I was like, whoa, ho, ho, ho, where did where do we get from things didn't work out to you're an idiot? And so rather than just cancel clear that, it was sort of a we went back and said, Did you do your best at this point? Did you do your best at this point? Did you do your best at this point? Oh, and then something completely unrelated and it didn't turn out the way you thought it would. Where in there is an idiot? That's somebody trying really hard and doing the best they can and believing in themselves, and then got sideswiped by an outside thing. So I think that it's not so you're replacing it with truth.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

With ah, yes, there it is.

unknown 26:55

There it is.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

Yes, and once you replace it with truth, all can agree.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

And dear listeners, we know there are blocks to our truth. We know they come from our childhood or from what happened yesterday, or from wake it up and we know they're there, and that's why it's hard sometimes. So we develop these tools that allow us to get back to truth. I love that, Martha. Yes, that's exactly it.

SPEAKER_03 27:22

I love it. So um when they how so when they sign, when they go to your site, sign up for the course, how long is the course?

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Well, we have a few different options now. I published a big, giant like university course, like seven modules and three hours and 30 work. You can do that if you want to dive right in. But then we realized that some people were like, you know, I'm I got stuff. And so we made a quick start program, which is less than an hour, has five of my very best activities in it, and it's just an introduction to what it all is, gets you involved in the in the community that we're part of and allows us to interact. It's much shorter, much cheaper too. I also took now the last module of the big course is about manifestation. So, not merely these day-to-day managing your life, but okay, how do I create what I want to create? So that's really amazing and lots of context if you do it part of the full course. But then we also pulled that out and made it its own standalone. And it works really well. I think it's very, very practical. We moved did away with a lot of the magic thinking of, oh, if I just dream it, it'll show up. Nope, these are practical how-to's to use the the resources that we have, the quote unquote voices in our head, but then also dive into like let's make stuff happen here. And so uh so I'm really proud that's there too.

SPEAKER_03 28:49

Okay. And so before we wrap it up, what advice, piece of advice would you give the audience?

SPEAKER_02 29:01

I think one of the things that turned me around from dark places and struggle and strife, recognizing that so much of that was happening because my emotional side had been neglected for so long. And then beginning to experience and live again, including my emotional realm. Okay, all that's prep. Here's the advice What I let go of was judging how I was feeling, embracing it instead, and allowing it to guide me where I was supposed to go next. See, I grew up in a household where anger was not okay, and part of that because it was modeled as destructive and difficult and frustrating, and conflict was to be avoided, for example.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Oh my goodness, so you must have been full of rage.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

And so later in my adult life, when I finally got back in touch with my feelings, and something occurred in the course of a divorce where these types of things happened, it was an attorney's fault that got me enraged. And I literally had to call people and say, What do you do? Like, I don't know what to do. Like, I'm furious, what do you do? And I learned, instead of saying, Well, don't feel that way, one of the greatest gifts I received from a friend who heard my story and said, Anger is the appropriate response in this situation. I was like, Bless you, because no one's ever told me that anger was okay before. And so this release of, oh, I shouldn't be sad, I shouldn't be angry, I shouldn't be frustrated, I shouldn't be uh happy. Oh, I should, yeah, right. All this judgment. Instead, I recognized anger is a gift that motivates, you know. Uh frustration is often uh a gift that helps us overcome injustice. Uh, joy is a gift that that inspires us to do the next thing. Uh uh peace is a gift that gives us time to restructure and and and have conversations and think about what's next. The entire range of emotions are gifts that lead us to what is next, so long as we experience them and explore them and then take them forth. For years, what I did was say, nope, can't do that, won't do that, shouldn't do that. So, my advice would be to get past all of that, feel what you're feeling, and then integrate it into a thoughtful examination wrapped in the love of God that says, get through this because we are eager for you to use it in service of the world. We need you.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

Yeah. That's so the convergent framework is is a great way to do that. I see, because you really will be really tough. If if if let me make sure I'm really understanding it correctly, because convergence to me means you're coming together to meet, to meet at one point. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

And when that agreement comes, it's just right. It it does both. It just it creates this wonderful calm, but it creates this. And this space where we step into it. See, part of it was I felt like uh, you know, oh, I'm to this place, which means I'm done. I mean that means I'm not I'm seceded.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Now I can be the wise man on the top of the mountain. And then, you know, and then my kids would be like, Well, yeah, I get to school. I'm like, oh, right, I'm not done. I got stuff to do today, you know.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

And so that's the point. Yes, we're trying to find that place that that where the treatment just makes life work. And it and it does. I'm I'm a testament to it.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

That's some that's some pretty good framework, actually. Um, in the language, you could put it in uh, you know, the language that means something to you, yes, which is great. Um, so I I really like I would I I like that. I've I've heard of it before, and I think it's great to have someone that do that. So I would definitely put your link in the video where they can actually join the course.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

And reach out to me if anybody has a question about the cost or needs a coupon or a scholarship. Okay, you know, I'm a teacher. How did I become a teacher, a speaker, and a writer? Because I kept seeing in people's faces that that it worked. And so if if people need uh a way to make this work, uh we'll make it work.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

Who would before we end, who would you consider your ideal client? Because sometimes people don't know what these, you know.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Well, first of all, I think it's people who um who recognize that there's another way. Um people often come to me because they're stuck in one place or the other. Uh, I'm so emotional and I can't figure out what to do with all these feelings, or I'm so busy all the time and I can't figure out why, or I'm burning out because I don't have any motivation. Or even I've had people come, all I can I I've released responsibility for everything to a higher power, and so now I feel like I have nothing to do on earth, which is which, you know, either way, you're stuck somewhere. Yeah, I think absolutely recognize that they're kind of stuck in one mode of life, or are good, it's it's just a good first question. How can I help you get to a place of balance where we're not going to deny or judge those things? We're gonna start integrating how uh how much amazing support there is for you uh right in your own in your own mind, let alone in the community that we build and the community in which you live.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

Wow, David, thank you so much for sharing what you do and how you do it. And it's been a great conversation. And I yeah, I've enjoyed myself.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

And as you can see, I'm I'm pretty excited about this sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

I love the energy. Yeah. And um, I just want to say to the audience, you know, um, thank you so much for listening. If you feel like this episode has touched your heart, reach out to David. Uh his information will be in the link. And, you know, just inquire about it, you know, call them, see how see see how it works and see how you, you know, it keeps your life if you feel stuck. And if you feel like someone else needs to hear it, please do share, comment, and subscribe because people always have amazing people off. So I just want to say happy Monday and have a fantastic day.