From Healthcare Hustle to Holistic Harmony: Dr. Kelsea Cannon on Unseen & Feminine Paths to Healing

I interview Dr. Kelsea Cannon, who shares her journey from physical therapy to coaching, emphasizing the importance of bridging the gap between medicine and spirituality. 

We discuss the significance of emotional and energetic healing, the complexities of navigating the dark parts of personal growth – those “oh snap!” moments when you realize you’ve been carrying shame and guilt that’s been weighing you down.

But the thing we discuss about shame and guilt is not what you might expect – instead of obstacles to be overcome, we discuss how they these often hidden and cast out parts of ourselves are actually  “golden doorways” to full authentic self-expression. 

A true sink AND swim opportunity.

Kelsea beautifully discusses the importance of inward and outward connection and support, both in the physical realm and through your unseen team’s intuitive, spiritual, and personal connections.

We discussed the constant need to be present to receive messages from the universe, the significance of navigating the tension of life's liminal phases, and the lessons learned from past relationships. 

Kelsea is such a beautiful model for how and why to let go of white knuckle gripping control and instead reveal the joy that can be found by trusting the process.

Highlights:

04:01 The personal and professional journey to bridge the gap between physical and spiritual healing

18:32 The “Oh snap” moments: discovering the strength and golden doorways of your hidden and cast out parts in healing

33:31 Navigating Vulnerability Hangovers and Authenticity in Self Expression

42:54 How women don’t heal alone: engaging with both your Seen and Unseen Teams 

55:35 Navigating the tension in relationships and the liminal spaces of life using intuition

Learn more about and follow Kelsea at @kelseacannondpt on instagram and check out her website at www.kelseacannon.com

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Julie Granger (00:00)

Welcome to Sink and Swim,

podcast that invites you to sink deeply into your

the stories you were born to tell about yourself,

swim and shine unapologetically into your soul's

I'm your host, Julie

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have discovered that life isn't sink or

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and their relationships,

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and get ready to sink into the deep end with us.

Julie Granger (00:59)

What's up everyone. This next episode of the Sink and Swim podcast comes right on the heels, perfectly timed from my last episode where I was solo and talked about how I won't return to the PT profession. In this episode, I'm interviewing my fellow soul sister and colleague, Dr. Kelsea Cannon, who has also taken the leap walking away from the physical therapy profession and establishing a beautiful and wonderful coaching practice.

in a circuitous journey that wasn't always easy for her, but it was in those deep, uneasy, tense moments that she was able to not only find herself, but find the golden doorways and the tickets to help her clients be able to walk through tense and liminal spaces in their own lives, in their own bodies, in their own relationships.

I absolutely love this conversation with Kelsea. We really went there, talked about the hidden sides of spirituality that you may not think about, especially if you are a woman who has worked in healthcare for a really long time and you've really identified with helping people with their bodies. But Kelsea really serves as a mirror to every woman out there to let you see that there is actually a bridge between medicine and spirituality, between science and the unseen.

between the tangible and intangible and that's what she helps women do to really tap into your unseen and intuitive wisdom to truly guide yourself towards the life, towards the health, towards the relationships, towards the happiness that you truly, truly deserve. We had a lot of laughs, there were a lot of pearls of wisdom, so many little metaphors dropped in this episode. I can't wait for you to hear it. So without any further ado,

I am so honored to introduce you to Kelsea Cannon.

Julie Granger (02:45)

Welcome to this next episode of the Sink and Swim podcast. I am truly over the moon to introduce you to today's episode, which is truly for every woman out there who's ever felt like you are kind of a square peg in a round hole. There's something just a little different about you. Not bad different, just different. Something a little more sensitive, something a little more intuitive. And if you've ever felt like you're straddling this void between

two healing worlds. There's the physical healing and the spiritual healing and you know deep down they're connected but you can't figure out how to connect them. Our guest today is the angel you never knew you needed to help you do exactly that. So I'd love to introduce Kelsea Cannon who is

the lover of subtle and unseen little things that we all tend to pick up on, but can't always put words around. She's also a wife, a dog mom, an outdoor adventurer, girl after my own heart. And honestly, someone whose story and journey is in many ways really parallel to mine, but also very different and beautiful ways in that journey from moving from the sort of established clinical healthcare world into very soul-centered

coaching and what I love about her is she really does bridge spirit, feminine intuition, the things you can't see, touch, taste, but you can feel. And it really brings those into the healing equation, which is something in healthcare that is often really missing. So welcome Kelsea, so glad to have you.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (04:28)

Thank you. Yeah, glad to

be here.

Julie Granger (04:32)

I can't wait to dig into this. always have the best conversations. You're another person who when we chat, I'm always like, man, we should have recorded that. we wish we could share that with the world and maybe we need to record it so you and I can then just take our own advice, you know?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (04:49)

Yeah, isn't that

the truth? Sometimes when you say something you're out loud, out loud and you're like, wow, that was percolating inside of me, for better or worse.

Julie Granger (04:57)

I

think that was for me. It came out of me, but I think it was for me. All right, so how Kelsea and I know each other, we don't actually quite remember when it was that we met, but we're thinking it was around 2020. Is that right?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (05:01)

Yeah, really. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I was, you know, looking to kind of finally actively looking to pivot, whatever that meant at the time. And you know, I was, I was, I had been coursing in and out of burnout in my public health career. And I was like, what's next? What do I do? And I had kind of like hunkered down in this space of, well, you know, just, just kind of stay where you're at, just kind of stay where you're at, right? And like,

Well, it got to the point where I think the pandemic was something for a lot of people where it was like, you you need to make a decision and here is this opportunity to choose a different pathway. And so, yeah, I remember

I was sitting in this rocking chair with my robe, again, early pandemic time, and I was reading something that she had written that was literally speaking to my deeper parts that I had not been listening to for quite some time, but knew they were there. The parts of me that just were craving change, craving freedom and spaciousness and more energy and just less physical ick in my body that just didn't feel aligned. And that's when finally that time period was when I...

Finally gave myself permission, even though there's a lot of fear with that, but gave myself permission to take a new pathway and a pathway that was like uncharted. I had no idea how it was gonna turn out, but Julie was basically the first mentor that I hired when I was like, help me, I'm finally ready to receive help and I need this.

Julie Granger (06:45)

it was such a fun time to get to know you at that time when the world was so uncertain. I mean, the world is always uncertain, but you know what I mean. And, you know, it's a path that I've walked to. you know, I'm in a new era of my own work and I feel delusional most of the time and question my sanity and all the things.

And I love that it's almost like full circle that we're talking about this, because that's how we began. And I feel like it's such a beautiful thing and a scary thing, like you said, to recognize that you're in that space. And it's a beautiful thing to find your person for that moment in your life that can help guide you. So I'm so glad we were connected. And it's still very fun to, now that it's not like a mentoring relationship, to be able to

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (07:15)

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

sure.

Julie Granger (07:39)

witness all that you've carried forth with that. Yeah, so especially like what I love witnessing is how you really have like sunken into your gravy zone with bridging the spiritual and the medical science and spirit, which at some point in history, they were bridged and then there were wars that were fought over.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (07:42)

Yeah, thank you.

Julie Granger (08:09)

them being torn apart or resulted in them being torn apart. And then, you now you're one of the, I don't want to say few people, there's a lot of people who do this, but your unique way of doing it is so beautiful, especially for people who already have that knowing that these should have always been connected. So tell us about that.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (08:20)

there are.

Yeah, yeah, that's funny. I'm just kind of now formulating words around all of this. So I'm curious what's gonna come out of my mouth. you know, it's to your point, this concept of like we are physical beings living a spiritual, or no, are spiritual beings living a physical reality sort of, right? Or maybe both directions, you know? It's both. And this is not a new concept. I mean, this is something that's been, this is like literally,

Julie Granger (08:36)

Hmph.

Yes.

Yeah, both. It's both.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (08:59)

there are ancient parts of us and as humans and it's just, know, modern day times we have really, especially if you come from healthcare and the medical world and like research, it's, there's been this like over emphasis of it must be research. We must find answers through the data and through the science. And while that has been amazing, it's like, there's just so much to our body's mind spirits that cannot be measured and cannot be known. And so,

You know, this was something that I had always really felt. mean, I was a little girl and I was just this very hypersensitive being, which now I have words for that for sure. Like, why do I cry all the time? Why do I feel so all the feels when my parents are upset, when my brothers were upset, when my friends were upset, like, you know, or when there something was going well, why do I have this overwhelming feeling of like, I just want to hold onto this and like love on this for as long as I can.

Julie Granger (09:38)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (09:58)

So basically as I was transitioning into, you know, obviously being a PT and healthcare and you see these tender moments with humans. And I think back to the times of when I was working in hospitals of like the times that I like saw somebody's feet that weren't covered up in bed. And it's like, you tuck them in because who wants cold feet? And the times that you sat somebody up at the edge of the bed and you just kind of combed their hair so they could feel human again. Like these moments that kind of

Julie Granger (10:20)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (10:27)

course through my career of seeing people as like real humans and like their their beings, right? And so all that just to say, I've always felt this like need to want to connect with people and this like desire and it's also kind of I think an innate piece of me where it's not just a diagnosis. It's not just let's do some exercise and eat some like right food to get you where you want to go. It's like let's tend to these deeper parts that make you feel human.

And when I uncovered that, was like, well, what we're actually talking about is like energy and spirit and soul, right? These are not just physical bodies that need tended to, these are emotional and energetic bodies and spiritual bodies. And so it's been a very interesting pathway to then be able to now guide women in discovering that pathway for themselves and how it actually helps them in their healing and health and wellbeing journey.

rather than spending all the time, money, energy, tending to the physical parts to no avail of like really getting rid to where you want to go. It's like, well, there are these deeper parts of us, like you were saying earlier, Julie, that just are like vying for our attention. And once we start tending to those, that's when it's like we start to kind of feel alive again.

Julie Granger (11:24)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I love this image you shared of the patient that you sit up on the edge of the bed. Well, she sits herself up, but you know what I mean. You help her. And the combing of the hair and the tucking in of the feet, there's just such this, even though that's very tangible, the caring and the attunement there to dignity and the soul that's behind this body that's no longer just.

a body that you need to go get up out of bed and then check them off and move on to the next patient. I can so resonate with that. And I too, in healthcare felt... I remember when I was getting into healthcare in the very first place, I was a psych major in college, which tells you a lot about me just right out of the gate. And I couldn't quite figure out first of all, a major I fit into because I was just so interested in getting to know people.

and their stories and their souls. And I knew I wanted to go into medicine, healthcare, and I couldn't even find like a healthcare track that felt right. You know, I didn't want to go into psychotherapy. That didn't feel right to me because I knew there was so much more to this person. And I didn't, you know, want to go to medical school because I there was so much more than that. And physical therapy seemed to be just where I fell into.

And practicing for about 10 years as a physical therapist, very much remember thinking, gosh, there's so much more. The thing that's really driving me behind these people, working with these people, is getting to know their soul and their stories and those intangible spiritual pieces that are technically out of our scope of practice. Yet, how can you say that you're not helping them with those things?

Way to put some words around that for all of us who, especially those of us who come from a healthcare background, but I think that it goes even bigger than that.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (13:42)

Yeah,

yeah, yeah, it is. It's really big work. And I think that a lot of healthcare practitioners at this point, or people in like the healing fields, feel that. Where, you know, in medicine, it's very like compartmentalized, right? Like even, of course, down to like the diagnoses of like, if you have a problem in this part of your body, you're gonna go see that person. And then they're going to probably suggest medications and or surgery.

Well, now we know there's a lot more kind of in the intermediate layers of like, lifestyle, there's sleep and there's stress support and there's the eating thing and the supplementation and all those things. underneath that, this is where I always think of like the very deepest part of the iceberg. It's like, well, there are the, again, the like the energetic parts of us, our needs, our desires, our wants, our stories, right? And to me, that's where that like deep level of healing and growth happen. It's not always pretty.

It's sometimes very messy, but yeah, we go from that like compartmentalized kind of rigid of like, this is what I do and here's the box that I fit in and then that's what you do and that's the box. There's a lot of bickering back and forth between the boxes of like, well, this box is better than that one. And like when I like really recently like zoomed out and I was like, it's all the same thing people. It's all the same thing doing it in different ways. And by the way, there's a place for all of it.

Julie Granger (14:50)

So much bickering between the boxes.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (15:06)

And to your point of like, think I have felt, and this is where you and I really parallel, I think a lot of people also parallel here is feeling like you have a foot in this world and a foot in that world. And like feeling like it's not supposed to be that way, but it's actually okay and it's perfect. And we actually need the bridges of the world to be coming out and coming forth.

Julie Granger (15:27)

Yeah, you play such a vital role for that. The bridge, you are the bridge, right? For someone to find that bridge within themselves, which I think is a key point. You're not their bridge. You're the one that helps them reflect their own bridge. And I can so resonate with that as a health care provider. I can so resonate with that as someone who originally got into health coaching and eventually business and marketing coaching, which

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (15:35)

Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Yep.

Julie Granger (15:55)

is brilliant, all of the brass tacks things we need in order to be really successful in our bodies or in our businesses. And for me, was still part of reason I reinvented my entire era of like what I'm doing in my work was I was like, still need to really bridge this and call a spade a spade and say that actually it help you with your soul story to make sure it aligns what's on the inside of you with what's on the outside of you. That's my sentence, you know?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (16:23)

I love it.

Julie Granger (16:23)

And if we do that in your business, fantastic. If it has to do with your body, like you help people, fantastic, right? And everything in between, know, relationships, your lifestyle, all of that. And I love the courage that you, like the torch you're holding for other people, me included, that's like, you can be that bridge. You can demonstrate that bridge for people and...

You're not out of your scope. You're not going to get in trouble. No one's going to send you to prison, at least not for that. And it's totally OK to bend into the nuance that is so important of not saying it's body or spirit, not saying it's business or spirit, marketing or spirit. It's the both and

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (16:54)

Hahaha

Yep. Yeah.

Julie Granger (17:19)

Yeah, what

a world to live in where there's not a war going on between everything.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (17:24)

Isn't that the truth? It's like sometimes I think the only war that's the hardest is what goes on between my left brain and my right brain or like, you the ego mind and the spirit where you're like, I mean, it's I mean, you put it so eloquently where I think so many women that I work with, they feel torn between like, well, this job is really exhausting to me. It's like, you know, wreaking havoc on this, that and the other.

Julie Granger (17:34)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (17:49)

And by the way, my body doesn't feel good. And so it seems like they're separate when they're so interwoven. And like you said, the relationships are there. And, then there's like the relationship with money and the relationship with self. And like, it's just there's so many little intricacies. And I think this is where you and I start to kind of drool in terms of like, wow, like who wants to unpack this? And very, you know, some people are like, no, thanks. Other people are like, I think I'm ready for that because if I don't, it's not going to be pretty.

Julie Granger (18:10)

Eww.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (18:19)

So there's this like fork in the road of like, can either unpack some of the stuff that I've been holding onto and carrying and it's landing in my body as physical symptoms, or I can keep carrying it.

Julie Granger (18:19)

Hmm.

I love this image of the, no, I don't want to go there and deal with all of the multiple parts and complexities. And I love this image of us drooling and being like, ooh, but I do. But it goes back to that I'm a square peg and around a whole thing of what I call the luminaire, the person who is just multidimensional, sensitive, intuitive, loyal, and like,

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (18:43)

I know.

Julie Granger (18:57)

authentic. And I think there's this piece of owning your authenticity of I'm a multi-dimensional being. I can see all of your parts that seemingly don't relate to each other. And I can see the through line and you can see the through line with all of them. And it's, it's, we're not for everyone. We're for the people who are like, show me the magic of the through line. That's interesting.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (19:22)

Yes. Yeah.

Julie Granger (19:23)

And they

also are multi-dimensional beings who can hold the complexity and maybe feel misunderstood because they know they are so complex.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (19:32)

Yeah, yep, that's, exactly. And helping people, it's like that through line is already there. And I always, think about this a lot of like, we're not, you see this a lot in like the coaching industry or like the help or the self growth, that industry of like step into your best self. And it's like, well, okay, that's one way to put it.

Julie Granger (19:35)

Hmm.

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (19:59)

but it's like just kind of more discovering about what parts are there that you want to uncover and learn more about. And it's like where there is light and like the, or quote, positive aspects of us, guess what? You're gonna find the aspects that you're just like, snap, my God, I can't believe that that is a piece of me. And so there's this like element just for those of you listening who are interested in kind of pursuing the through line of, you know, your own through lines. It's...

Julie Granger (20:03)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (20:27)

you're going to discover the parts of you that that's where the shame and like the self-blame and the fear and the frustration lie. And like those to me have been some of my like golden moments of, my word, like the first time that I discovered I was in martyrdom energy, you told me this and I'll never forget your words, Kelsea, that's martyrdom. And I was like, my gosh, I thought it was compassion, but it was not. And underneath it, there was compassion. So

Julie Granger (20:44)

Mm-hmm.

Who's next?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (20:57)

All this just to say, you know, when you're discovering this kind of like new world inside of you, it's there. The landscape is already like, you know, an innate kind of, there are innate parts of you that are there. And it's a matter of like, just getting curious about like, what is in there? Both the shadows and the light and like how they interplay and like, it's a dance and it's like, it's not bad or good. just is.

Julie Granger (21:14)

Hmm.

Hmm

Yep. again, I love your little like reflection on a very well-meaning encouragement from the spirit self-development world, which is find your best self. And it's just highlighting not, didn't even, guys, I didn't prompt her to say this, but it's highlighting the premise of this podcast, which is Sink and Swim, which is, it's the contrast of when we swim and we sink. It's really that.

the full depth and breadth of human experience. And we're taught, be your best self, which is basically like saying only swim. You should only swim. Find the version of you that swims, ignore the versions of you that don't, or cast them out, or fix them, quiet them. We shouldn't listen to them. Because it's like kind of the contrast of ego spirit, right? Like, ooh, ego's bad. Spirit's the only good part of you, only worthwhile part of you. But that in itself is just, it's like a

backdoor approach to shaming you. And it's those actual hidden cast out parts when you sink into them. love how you said those are your golden moments. I just had one this morning. I was journaling and crying and having a moment and like writing out the words that one of those very ashamed parts was saying. And I saw the words on paper and I was like, that is really excruciating to see.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (22:24)

Exactly. Yeah.

Julie Granger (22:52)

But I'm so glad I see it because I don't know what's gonna come from me seeing it, but I see it and it can't heal or be transmuted into what it needs to do that's actually helpful if I don't look at it. Step one, yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (23:08)

I know,

step one. And it's, that's a good, such a good point. I think of the phrase, if you don't, you can't heal it if you don't feel it. And I think about that, especially with those kind of like heavier kind of just more dense emotions. I think it's like, there's like a density to them of shame and guilt, I think are two of the most dense kind of like heavy, they just sink and they just stay and.

Julie Granger (23:20)

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (23:36)

In my work, it's like we talk about how that lands in the pelvic bowl. And it's like, no wonder people's bowels and glatters are struggling to stay in age more and more and digestive issues. so, yeah, I think back to the times of like, in my life where some of those like pieces were kind of born out of experience, right? And I just held those as like, I am bad. This happened and I am bad. I feel guilty and I did this bad thing and

Julie Granger (23:44)

No wonder.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (24:04)

I love that like you're in your reflection, just like your story of writing out this morning of like, wow, my gosh. And it's one thing to like look at it and then to like feel it and then to see it and then like to just kind of be willing to carry that with you as a piece of you. It's like, it's okay because this is how we evolve as souls. We're actually given those opportunities because we're here to do big work.

Julie Granger (24:13)

Feel it.

Yes, yes! I'm rip this mic out and drop it. So good.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (24:31)

Yeah.

Julie Granger (24:34)

Well,

in your example of like digestive issues, just using that one, if we're gonna use that as like the medical example, the science example, I mean, how many times have you at some point in your story or have you encountered women who are doing all of the things for their digestion, the probiotics, the kefir, the, I mean, there's such a long list of elimination diet.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (25:00)

The elimination diets, the sensitivity labs.

Yep.

Julie Granger (25:04)

Yep. okay, so yep, that's one inroad to helping with digestive issues. And then there's the other. So it's not one or the other. It's really both that are quite necessary because it's a symbiotic relationship. And I think that when you just throw a probiotic at it and continue to double down on that, you're missing this wonderful opportunity.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (25:09)

Yes.

Julie Granger (25:34)

How do you work with clients who have or are doing all the things and have that sense that something's missing?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (25:42)

Yeah, that's definitely been the prime archetype of woman who eventually kind of meanders into this environment. And typically she is a healthcare provider, a healer of some type who is functioning at the surface, but really feels this innate need to function deeper. And I will say digestive issues are some of the number one kind of physical symptom, namely constipation and belly bloat.

And I always think of this where, they have been trying all of the different diet changes and the supplementation, right? Like you look on line and you see all these supplements that you should be taking. And it's very compelling. and going to all these different providers and their resources are literally like literally time, money, energy, or like flying out the door and it's exhausting, but they're already exhausted. And so basically it's like, we have to kind of come to this like place of

why are you actually constipated? Not just physically, but like what is like the energetic constipation that's going on? And most of the time it's like, there the, and I'm gonna reference the bowl of the pelvis again, not just for physical tissues that literally are probably squeezing out of fear, right? And out of hyperprotection. So there's that like nervous system and kind of just physiologic response to life. That is one of the deeper pieces.

But also it's like, what are, like, walk me through your day. Like, what are the tone of your thoughts? What are your beliefs? Like, what are some of the things that you are so scared of happening? Like, just voice them out. And sometimes just giving voice, like what we talked about earlier, of just like giving voice to something. They hear what they've been thinking about and feeling that they've never expressed to anybody. And they're just like, well, by God, that's so interesting. And then there's the

Julie Granger (27:37)

Yeah, right.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (27:39)

the like, you know, there's a lot of like dance and give and take of validation. And it's like loving these pieces of them that they haven't felt that they can love, you know? And, you know, it's like shame and guilt, fear, frustration, anger have biochemical states in our bodies. And so just being able to kind of witness those is a very, very interesting kind of healing journey in and of itself.

Julie Granger (27:48)

Hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (28:05)

where it's like we have to allow like the bowl of the pelvis and the digestive system to start to process, right? Cause that's literally where things get processed and digested and then excreted. So, you you can be on the best hormone replacement therapy, the best supplements, the best medications and get the best massages and the best chiropractic adjustments. But if you're not processing your emotional world and you know, seeing and like holding on to your fears as like precious parts of you.

Julie Granger (28:34)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (28:34)

you

may not get down to the depth of healing that you want.

Julie Granger (28:38)

Your stool sample is not going to improve on your next functional medicine test. I have learned just in my own intuitive healing and knowledge that as soon as something's off in my gut, it's an invitation. It's not a doubt. mean, sometimes I do need to lighten up on the gluten or, you know, just little pieces that, but I listened to my body. My body is like, you know what? Get the gluten-free bun this time. You know, like it's just one of those things, but.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (28:42)

Yes, yes, yes.

for sure. Yeah.

Julie Granger (29:08)

It's an invitation to double down and go, wait a minute, okay, where am I not processing? I love how you said that. Where am I not processing something? And almost always, like the next telltale sign is I haven't sat with my journal in like a week.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (29:24)

Mmm. Yeah.

Julie Granger (29:26)

you know, because

I was feeling really aligned and grounded and regulated. And, you know, this little thing happening in the background just kind of weaves its way in. And I'm regulating and managing, but that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm almost actively regulating and managing versus, you know, and it's just an invitation to go, hello. Maybe some of this needs to slow down and be processed. Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (29:46)

Yep.

Yeah, I love that how your body is like sending signals as an invitation of like, hey, by the way, and you brought up a really good point of, again, this day and age, know, it's like nervous system regulation is very en vogue. This is like, wow, this is not what we do. And you can take any like really amazing healthy habit and almost obliterate it because it's like,

Julie Granger (30:01)

Hey

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (30:17)

too much of a good thing, right? And then you can almost kind of be now hyper vigilant on like, gotta regulate, I gotta regulate. And it's like, well, okay, now we're dysregulatingly regulating and it's very confusing. And so it's like, you know, not always anticipating something. It's like, as it comes, you know, I think there's this art to being present. I think that's what I wanna say is like,

It's really easy and we go back and forth. I do literally all day every day. I go back and forth from being present and not present, present and not present. And I think that when you're really like, you know, for you use the example of journaling, that is where you're probably the most present for you. And where you're now able to kind of really process not in a way of like trying to be hypervigilant, but you're just like, I'm going to sit with this and I'm just going to be with all of this. And so I found it's different for everybody. Like I, for the life of me.

Julie Granger (30:48)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (31:11)

Journaling is something that I'm just like, I just can't seem to do it. But you put me in the woods, I will process and I will cry and I will like voice out what I need to. And like that's kind of been my zone. And so it's like fighting your own literal neck of woods of processing and regulating.

Julie Granger (31:15)

Yeah.

movement.

I saw a meme maybe a week or so ago that was like, do you want to go into the woods and scream together? We could get coffee after. And I was like, I feel that too. I will often, I mountain bike, I'll go out on my bike and I'll purposely choose a road or a trail that I know is going to be pretty secluded. And I will feral scream. I will just get it.

out while pumping my legs. It's like the best discharge ever. And you're right. Everyone's gotta find their thing that is their grounder, their regulator, their discharger, their lightning rod. And I think that your point too though, that it can become an addictive process. It can become almost like a obsessive compulsive thing.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (32:06)

Yeah.

Julie Granger (32:28)

That's where too much of a good thing is no longer a good thing, just as with any medicine. It becomes actually lethal on the other end of it, where you can't, it's like all of these, it's like the scaffolding that holds you up instead of holding yourself up.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (32:32)

anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and that makes me think of like how, again, we were talking earlier about like, there's traditional medicine or, you know, conventional healthcare, and then there's functional medicine, and there's holistic care, and they all have these separate little camps. it's like, then the thought of the pendulum has swung so far each direction, and it's exhausting, because it's really easy to fall into all the trends and do all the things. And I feel like

Right now, especially there's this kind of calling for people to kind of bring that pendulum back to center. And we don't have to be over obsessed with every single little thing, even though we live in a culture that's like, you should obsess about how your body looks and how to optimize this. And you really have to be a conscious consumer of this day and age and really kind of tune in and listen to what is it that I want to need in this moment? Otherwise.

Julie Granger (33:20)

Mmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (33:40)

you're going to be told left and right what you should be doing and how you should be thinking. and yeah, I feel like just kind of like settling in and again, finding your ways of processing and that's going to change. Like I might just like dive into journaling after this conversation. So I feel inspired and try and be like, well, this is actually working very well for me now. So it's like, it will change like this too shall change. Yeah, I will.

Julie Granger (33:56)

You

Totally.

You'll have to report back, let me know.

yeah, it's definitely a great, I mean, I'm such a storyteller and a writer that it's my medium, you know, it's absolutely my art. And I find that those moments are moments of art, you know, it's absolutely poetry. And it's in those poetic, like you said, golden moments that, you know, it's how I hear from those unconscious voices and those parts and

put them in the tangible world. But I also do that as my outward work. So I love this part of this may change from day to day. It may change from minute to minute how you find your way to reconnect in. So beautiful. On that note, as you have been on that journey yourself and modeled it so beautifully for other people, I know that it requires you to

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (34:41)

Yeah.

Yep. Yep.

Julie Granger (35:02)

One, find the words to put around it so that people understand what the heck you're talking about. You know, I love the pendulum. There's so many metaphors. We could do this all day. How has it felt to...

speak more openly about this bridge, about this pendulum centering, even when it's uncomfortable, even when it feels vulnerable, even when it may feel like you're betraying your medical training or something like that.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (35:29)

Yeah, it feels, it's like both things can be true at once. It feels scary and there's often kind of like a little bit of a vulnerability hangover, which I've had for quite a while as I was, you know, becoming like the brand of my business and so forth and like the voice behind it. It's scary and exhilarating and like, oh, I just feel lighter. It's like, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, good. Yes.

Julie Granger (35:50)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, look at that out.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (35:58)

and I think we all know, we all know, like those, those bits of relief that like, you just like your whole body, all of your bodies feel just lighter, just a little bit even. And so it's, yeah. I know that's what I wanted to say. was like, I know, like literally that's, that's the, I was actually in a class once and the instructor was like, it's like the time that you sit on the pot and you just have like the best poop ever. And I was like, yeah.

Julie Granger (35:58)

haha

mean, Kelsea, it's like a good poop. Speaking of like, digesting and getting it out.

You

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (36:27)

Yeah, everyone should feel that. I know. know. Yeah. And that's how it feels is like little by little is being able to express something that has been unexpressed for so long. And it's interesting, like the number one thing that I that I feel fear around is not even like betraying the medical degree and all of that. It's like, that's fine. It's more of

Julie Granger (36:29)

That's a good dopamine hit, like a real good one.

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (36:56)

how will the people in my life, the people who have known me, have befriended me, who love me, how will they respond? What happens if they say, you're not the person I thought you were? That's my number one thing that I get to kind of carry and work through. And, you know, here's the interesting part. The people who know me and love me, those bonds have strengthened. And so this thing that I've been fearing,

Julie Granger (37:05)

Yes.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (37:25)

didn't even exist. It's like an illusion, right? You just kind of like fan it away and like it just kind of dissipates. So it has been interesting. And I will say this. It's like my brain has needed little data points of like, this is safe, you can do this. And that's kind of like, it's like little breadcrumbs for my own brain to say, see, it's fine. You're not, your husband isn't divorcing you over you saying this one little thing that you thought was going to become this big thing.

Julie Granger (37:44)

Yes.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (37:55)

That's been humbling.

Julie Granger (37:57)

Mm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (37:58)

especially, and I'm gonna say this with a lot of love, especially talking about things like spirituality and God and Buddha and Allah and like these entities that we cannot always see. I see it every day, honestly. And I think you see it too. And you can feel it. Like this is tangible to me. But when we start to speak out about that, it's like, what are you, a Bible thumper? Like, what are you, you know, and people want to label you. But I've discovered it's like,

Julie Granger (38:16)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (38:28)

People actually come out of the woodwork and feel heard and validated and they're like, my God, that's, you put words to something that I've been thinking myself and to me, that's the like glory in it. It's helping others feel heard and validated so that they can spread that powerful message too.

Julie Granger (38:40)

Mm.

well, you you literally nailed it in a sentence about the number one fear I have as well, about that full unfiltered, authentic self-expression, which is not, yeah, who am I letting down? Like in my profession or whatever, it's the people I'm closest to. If they see I've changed, well, they no longer wanna be close to me.

And there is pushback from some people. But if you can navigate that with that person, it can turn out to be a really good thing. Sometimes you have to set boundaries. There's so many opportunities for continuing to hold your authenticity. But I love what you said. It's like you take the step when your spirit, when your soul gives you the breadcrumb and says, yes, this is safe. And sometimes it feels exhilarating and you get the vulnerability hangover like you said.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (39:19)

Mm-hmm.

Julie Granger (39:45)

But I think that, and that's the work I really do is more of that authentic self-expression. We're going to tell your story. We're going to show the world who you really are, what you're here to do, and then see who gathers around you. And sometimes there's a whole lot of relationship work that has to be done, personal relationship with yourself or those people. But I think it's really interesting the idea of, if we go back to what we were talking about, looking at those parts that feel afraid, that feel ashamed, that want to hide, that

don't want to reveal themselves less as obstacles to overcome. Saying that those are our bad parts or like, I need to find my higher self in order to feel courageous to put this thing out there in the world. It's more like, ooh, these are the doorways. These are actually the golden doorways to full authentic self-expression. And I find myself now talking about shame. The other day, I put out a post talking about how I'm looking for friends.

Will you be my friend? You know, and those are just things we don't talk about, but I find that we need to because it's what connects us and humanizes us and they're parts of our soul that make us so rich.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (40:55)

Yeah, so true. Yeah, it's like that you were kind of painting the picture of like the little threads that we've, we have different parts of us and different themes together in life. And it's like that human connectivity piece in a world where I feel like we're both the most isolated sort of civilization that's ever existed probably. And through that is growing more connection. Cause I do think that there are people like us, I mean,

there are people coming forth and saying enough is enough. And I feel like, you know, especially once you hit your forties, like meeting friends is not always easy. It's different. It's not like come one, come all. It's like your time and energy are valuable and you want it to be spent with people that you like. And yeah, it's like searching for that like sisterhood or that brotherhood if you're a male or both, right? And that connection piece, I find that

women I work with, they feel so disconnected from their bodies. They're no longer living in their bodies. And that's a big hurdle to kind of step over, which you can do. And yeah, I think that the authentic expression is kind of a piece of that, like stepping over of like trusting yourself, living in your body and feeling the feels and really connecting with a group that you feel who are your tribe. Like that's just how we're wired.

But modern day kind of Western culture is not centered around tribe. It's centered around being individual and get there by yourself and accumulate, accumulate, accumulate. And it's obviously been a little bit more problematic than what we've known to be true.

Julie Granger (42:40)

I love this part about needing to have connection, needing to have your tribe around you for anyone, especially women. And I think the longing for that when we tell ourselves, I really wish I had me, I really wish I had really deep friendships that were really meaningful. think, especially as you get, not that we're old, but older in age, you know.

That's a really intuitive knowing that shouldn't be ignored. I used to should, but I'm just going to die on that hill for sure. Tell me about not only physical friendship, what we see in the 3D world, but how you help women and what your own philosophy is on our unseen friendship team.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (43:27)

Yeah, and this is a world that I, again, I've always known existed, have always been praying to this entity and know that the entity was there. And more recently I've like, I've got a lot of entities and they all have names. And so, yeah, I, in the recent years, and I feel like it was perfect timing that I started to get to know my unseen team where it's like, we literally have this built in, this is again, belief system coming out.

Julie Granger (43:37)

you

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (43:57)

where we have this built-in team where it's not just God. He, she, they are there. That's the all-encompassing energy. But then there are these angels and these personal spirit guides. And there are these departed loved ones who are always cheering us on, always, always, always at a drop of a hat, they're here. And I was jokingly saying last week on a podcast,

Julie Granger (44:11)

you

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (44:27)

I was like, can I like overuse you? And like the answer was like, no, we're always here. And so it's interesting, like when you tap into that again, very deep layer of this like inner knowing of, I feel like I'm being so divinely supported that it basically like wipes away all fear. You just feel this, again, this like resounding sense of relief and you know, talking that through with women.

is such a fascinating story because you'll find that women are so much more spiritual and like some of them have different religious beliefs and it doesn't matter what you believe in. What matters is like you believe in something beyond your physical tissues. so opening that channel up and channels, plural, is so cool. And this is what really, I think, lights me on fire. And this is like the work I'm like,

Julie Granger (45:06)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (45:21)

I see this is the work you want me to do in this life, right? And they're like, yeah. And you just get to know your team and you can ask for physical like proof. You're like, well, send me a message, like show me. And early on after my grandmother passed away, she would send dimes. And like, it just me finding them. It was like,

my mom and all of my aunts and uncles. And like, there was this kind of whole family thing of like, Irene Santadime again. And I would find them everywhere. And so I was, you know, again, like this is in my twenties, you know, when I was like, you can actually engage with this unseen team and they will give you, they will, you ask and you'll receive.

Julie Granger (45:56)

Hehehehe

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (46:12)

And so it's a really fun playground because you're like, well, let's just see what we find here. And it kind of takes your mind off of the things that you're worried about. So if anything, it can be a very helpful distraction because you're starting to engage with this unseen energy that's literally omnipresent. And, it's just so beautiful. And I really truthfully think there's not words to it. It's just a physical sense. It's a sense that you're just like, it's just there.

Julie Granger (46:39)

You just know. You can't put words to it. It's what I help people do.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (46:40)

You just know.

Yeah.

Julie Granger (46:46)

part of my genius. And at the end of the day, I'm like, we're just throwing words out there and we're playing with the thesaurus, trying to come up with what's really gonna land as you tell your story of who you are and what your purpose is. like, you know, I think of my unseen team every time I see the wind blow. And I don't remember the day I decided that I think it just downloaded again, I can't explain it. But when I see the trees blow, they're waving at me.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (46:52)

Ha

Mmm.

Julie Granger (47:15)

So unless it's not windy, when it's not windy, I got to come up with like, you know, I don't have to come up with a physical sign, but that's my physical sign that even on my very worst day where I'm like, no one's here, I'm alone. I look off the window and there's this little, there's some, what is it called? my gosh, bamboo. There's some bamboo in my neighbor's yard. It's just swaying in the breeze like this. And I'm like, well, there you are. Okay, thanks.

Thanks for reminding me I'm not alone.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (47:45)

Yeah,

I love that. That's such a good example too of like, again, connecting into like Mother Earth and the elements. mean, to me, spirit speaks through not just humans and each other and all of our clairs, our clairaudience and clairvoyance and all sorts of really cool, amazing sensory opportunities as a human, but also through the elements of like.

Julie Granger (47:55)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (48:10)

when the wind blows, it's like, what's it telling me? What message does it have? Or when the sun shines, when it starts to pour rain, when there's a fire, you know, it's like, it's interesting when you start to kind of zoom out and say, it, you know, not that you have to find a meaning in everything, but.

Julie Granger (48:12)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (48:25)

The world and the Unseen Team, they're always speaking. They're always showing and guiding, always. You just have to be present and be open to it, honestly.

Julie Granger (48:28)

Always. Always.

following the omens, like from the alchemist. I have so far quoted The Alchemist in every podcast episode. That's my goal. How am going to drop in a little Alchemist Easter egg in? so good. Yeah, I love that. The dog, I mean my dogs, Aspen will paw at me or growl or groan or whine the second I pick up my phone.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (48:38)

Yeah, yeah. I love it. I understand why. so good. So good. Such a good book.

Mmm.

Julie Granger (49:05)

and she'll stop when I put it down. And it's usually when I've been doing a lot of electronic or computer stuff all day and I'm just like, you know, I could be annoyed or be like, oh, you don't tell me what to do, you know. And it's very much like, oh, that's totally an invitation. That's totally an invitation. And why, who am I to question it?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (49:13)

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so true. especially animals, because they're so, I mean, you and I are big fans of dogs, especially where it's, they are so sensitive. And I just, I just know they see things we don't. I know they smell things and hear things that we don't. And I think that's the cool part too, is like, you know, we think of the world as very sensory of like, earlier you were like, see, touch, taste, feel.

Julie Granger (49:35)

Big dog fan, yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (49:55)

But there's so much more than what meets the eye. And to me, that's like, there's this mystery in life. And like, just, have a guide in your living room, your dog, right? And it's like, you just, it's so interesting when you allow yourself to be guided in life, rather than you feeling like you have to control everything and work so hard and do all the things. It's like, you just lean back and you have to take purposeful action, of course, but it's like, there's just so many guides available to you of being like, this way, go this way.

Julie Granger (50:24)

Love it. Ugh. OK. Speaking of the Alchemist and the alchemical journey and the, I mean, that's my favorite book of all time. I read it a couple of times a year just to almost like recenter me. Tell me about your own more 3D world journey of travel. You lived in Alaska for a while. You've settled, you've been to Oregon, you've been to North Bend. Like, tell me about.

these big moves and how your team played a role.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (51:00)

Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's funny, this is where the intuition comes in of I have lived a pretty nomadic life. And when I was in, it was fifth grade, we were studying the Arctic tundra. And it was my job to draw the Northern Lights on the chalkboard. It was a marker board, actually. But I was like, what is this land? And I grew up in small town Iowa.

What is this land? You know, I got to see this. And so I decided, well, when I get older, I'm going to move to Alaska. This is in fifth grade. Well, fast forward, you know, I met this one person this one day and she said, by the way, there's these connections in Alaska. within six weeks, I had my two bags packed and I was moving up there. And so I do think that there was this seed that was planted. And again, I view it as very like much a soul seed of when I was brought.

Julie Granger (51:47)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (51:50)

into, and again, this is my spiritual belief coming out, like when my soul incarnated into my physical body and I came out as little Kelsea Anne Cannon in Southern Iowa, that pathway was already created for me. It was me being present to it, present to this like internal feeling. And of course, lo and behold, I go up to Alaska and I meet my future husband, lifelong friends. have these epic experiences. That's when I really started connecting into the land of like, my God.

Julie Granger (52:19)

Hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (52:19)

you

know, this is where I'm meant to be. And then once I met my husband, you know, we kind of journeyed together. So that was like two souls coming together. And I had this moment of, there you are. So I'm so glad I found you. It was literally like a soul connection of like, like, there you are. I'm so happy that you're here in this life, because I've been waiting for you. And that journey, it's like just listening to these nudges of where, where we together are meant to be and making sure it's aligned with, with me.

Julie Granger (52:39)

great.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (52:48)

has felt so right. And this is where I, you I don't know where I'm going to end up where we're going to end up. And that's part of the fun part is not knowing. And it's just kind of like. Intuiting how long we're going to be in this house. and you know, what does it feel like if we stay for a little while and we start to venture out as use this as our home base. And so it's very much this like intuitive process of listening, being able to speak with each other tangibly in the 3d world and saying, okay.

Julie Granger (53:02)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (53:18)

What are we doing now? And it's like making sure that our human goals in job work, finances, et cetera, are aligned with like who we're meant to be. So.

Julie Granger (53:27)

Mm.

So interesting that it almost sounds like it's this unveiling of the story that was already written. Not so much that you're writing it, but we're just uncovering it. And I can just sense this. You know when you're in the story, when you're actually like, this is it. There you are. Uh-huh. And you're on the, I don't want to say the right track, but maybe the Souls track. There's not a wrong track.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (53:37)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yep.

Yeah.

Julie Granger (53:56)

Sometimes we take detours,

but I love how you are using that as almost like a metric, if we could say, of am I on the soul's story or am I currently following that track or are we a little off track? Are we about to make a decision that's gonna throw us off?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (54:05)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yep, yep, so true. And what's interesting is, especially if you're doing this with a partner, we had a move to Oregon, I don't know, three-ish years ago, and that was a big life lesson for my husband. And I was kind of like the stable, we're both stable humans, but like, I was like the person kind of anchoring while he was learning this big, huge life lesson. I was like seeing it unfold. I'm like, golly, he's not gonna like this, but hey, not always pretty.

Julie Granger (54:31)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (54:41)

And then he's been that person that anchor for me when I'm just like, crap, you know, and I'm on this big journey and then we kind of come back together. And so I think it's just that like, it's the need to have like your people on this planet, as well as the Unseen Team, as you're kind of like boomeranging back and forth. And interestingly, I do think again, like there are these like people, these mentors, these just special humans placed in your track. We are like, you again, so nice to see you on this side.

Julie Granger (55:10)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (55:11)

When we moved to North Bend, which is outside of Seattle, Washington, I very, very soon after moving here, met my current hypnosis instructor, I guess, yeah, that would teach teacher know, guru. And so she has been a friend of mine. I mean, it's like, to me, it's like the Unseen Team's like little wink of like, we put you here for a reason.

And it's been such a gift, such a gift.

Julie Granger (55:43)

love when you know when you're in a moment with someone even when you've just met them and you have that there you are I know exactly what you're talking about it's such a magical wink from the team from you know from your and there's a sigh of relief because there's almost like there had to be tension before it for you to find them

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (55:58)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Julie Granger (56:09)

Or you have to go into the dark in order to discover the light. It's almost always when there was some type of tension, just around that time.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (56:17)

Yeah,

yeah, that's such a good point. Like this kind of like building and it's kind of like, here we go. And you're kind of like holding your breath and then you let it all out when you're like, hallelujah. We're all good.

Julie Granger (56:29)

Oh my gosh. Yes.

Other than that time, that was a really good example. Can you think of any other times for you specifically when

dipping into the tension, dipping into the darkness, dipping into the invitation did reveal like a really golden moment for you.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (56:44)

Yeah.

Yeah, I got a big one. So my first marriage. And so basically when I was in high school, was with, he was basically like my high school sweetheart and ultimately married him after college. But I had this significant, and we're still, friends. Like he's, I love him like a brother. And I just knew in college, this is not meant to be.

Julie Granger (56:51)

and

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (57:15)

is not meant to be. And I said no when he first proposed. And the guilt that I felt after that, I was like, I couldn't carry the guilt. So what I did was I was like, never mind, never mind. You know, I'm just scared and yada yada. And so I said yes from a place of guilt and resentment. And shocker, we were married for four years and this was through my PT school times. That is not a foundation for a marriage or anything for that matter.

Julie Granger (57:31)

you

Mm, nope.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (57:45)

But I had to, again, this was a universe God, God wink, like unseen team blessing. They're like, sorry, kiddo, you're gonna, you're probably gonna go through this because we need you to know how powerful your intuition is and how powerful your voice is. And by the way, you're gonna have this wonderful person to experience that with and he's gonna forgive you. So like, don't worry about it. And so that is what happened is,

Julie Granger (58:04)

Hehehehe

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (58:08)

through this like very intense feeling of like, this isn't right, this isn't right, and I knew it, and I said something, and then I backtracked on my word, and then I had to say, I need to leave this marriage, this isn't working, and of course it was deflating to him, but also I was like, but I've been telling you all along, you just, you need to listen now, it's your turn to listen, and you know, that to me was a humbling experience because it's what opened the door to me.

Julie Granger (58:25)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (58:35)

going to Alaska and now meeting my now husband who is my soul person. for those of you who are in the spiritual world, it's like, had to live through the soul contract of my first husband to be able to experience my now husband. And so all that just to say that has been a huge thing where it's like, So intuition speaks very loudly in my body and

Julie Granger (58:48)

You did.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (59:01)

I must follow it. And I will say with my now husband, I knew immediately, you're my guy, you're my guy. I have no doubt, but guess what? I waited like seven, eight years for us to get engaged even. I just knew he was my person and I had to practice that like element of being patient and like trusting my knowingness, even though the timing was not on my human timing.

Julie Granger (59:17)

Mm-hmm.

love first of all this story. Thank you for sharing it because it's a big one. That's big one. And I love that you gave yourself time. Like you knew immediately you had that nudge from your team. You had that deep soul yes and you didn't just jump in right at the yes. First of all what a way to build tension.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (59:33)

It is a big one. Yeah.

Yeah.

Julie Granger (59:56)

But being able to hold yourself in that tension is one, I would say a lost art. It is something that if you can hold the intention of what you desire without having to manifest the physical 3D world thing until your soul gives you that, that like, and action, like the...

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:00:05)

Mmm.

Yeah

Julie Granger (1:00:24)

and the cameras are now rolling, go. If any part of you is hesitating for any reason, it's an invitation. Again, it's like, ooh. And I love how you just, it's like you fortified your foundation with all of those parts, all of those little parts that might've snuck their way in to start driving the school bus, so to speak, and created a foundation that wouldn't have been steadfast for your second marriage. It's like,

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:00:52)

So true.

Julie Granger (1:00:53)

you learned from the first one, you needed time to actually, back to our gut discussion, process and digest and then produce. You won't have the best poop of your life, know, like whatever, but get that actual like exactly right timed rebirthing, but first allowing things to gestate it.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:01:15)

Yep,

yep, so beautifully spoken. And it's interesting, I think back to this time, like in between, like the liminal phases, I love the liminal phases, the in between times where we're like, where the hell are we going here? And I spent it, again, this was such a gift. I mean, when you start to reflect about all of the gifts in your pathway, it changes your look entirely into the future. But this gift of, was, I found,

Julie Granger (1:01:25)

Yeah.

Totally. It's the alchemy

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:01:42)

this little goat ranch, this little house on a goat ranch out in the middle of nowhere in Texas. And that's where I lived for the three years that I lived in Texas in my little liminal phase between this time and that time. And like just spending time with me and what brought me joy and like, you know, feeding the birds and enjoying the goats and like working as a physical therapist in a wonderful hospital at the time and growing these friendships around me, like what a gift that was.

And it was almost, here's the like other kicker is like tension, less tension, guess what? Tension, you know, and it's just this kind of like, cause of my time in Alaska and my early time with my now husband was not always easy. And so it's like to your point of being able to just kind of like hold in the, hold yourself in the liminal phases cause they come and they go.

Julie Granger (1:02:17)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

And how has that now informed the work you do with people? So tell me about that and what's coming up. And I mean, I feel like we could just call you Illuminal. My business is Illuminate and that's the word that's on my brain. Liminal, phase holder. You're the space holder for the liminal phase. Me too. I love that. There's our new title. Let's do it. Let's go with that.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:02:41)

Yes.

yeah. Yep. Yep.

Bingo. Yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, I, do see a lot of women in the liminal phases of like, I've tried X, Y, and Z and it's not working and where are we headed from here? And I have no idea where I'm going to work because my current job is terrible. And I just want to go work with plants forever and ever. you know, it's with

And again, most them come to me because there's physical symptoms in their body that are very annoying, very frustrating and unpacking that and unpacking it through the lens of there's not a set of fixed teachings. There's not a set of like, you should do this, you should do that has been, I think really my journey is really reflected in that process of

You almost have to, nobody likes this, but you have to kind of relinquish that control and stop like white-knuckle gripping, like what you think you need, and instead of being open to being guided, and you're not gonna know how it's gonna turn out, but your body is your best asset. You literally live in this beautiful, amazing, miraculous body, and as your

Julie Granger (1:03:56)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:04:09)

And it's like, we just have to take care of it a little bit differently. We start to like learn and listen and pivot and expand. it's, it's, it's slow. can be a slow, but steady process. But to me, that's more sustainable. And so I do think my work is, can be very nebulous. And I'm like, okay, with that, I'm like, there's not a set of things that we're going to do. There's a wide toolbox we pull from. And I have started to use hypnosis.

Julie Granger (1:04:21)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:04:35)

where really helping to kind of help women just kind of be in this like stillness, which we're not great about in our society. It's very hard to kind of sit still and inwardly turn. And so, you know, I do believe like there's so much in the subconscious mind that is there kind of, again, driving the proverbial bus, helping them through that process and allowing them to kind of use their voice in a safe space, articulate what's on their heart.

Not always what's in their mind, but what's on their heart is powerful. And seeing where it goes without saying, you're going to experience X, Y, and Z in the next 12 weeks. I don't know what the hell you're going to experience, but I know it's going to be better than where you are now.

Julie Granger (1:05:07)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. It's kind of like you've told this story to me about what I said to you once, which was, Kelsea, this is going to be a spiritual journey for you.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:05:29)

Understatement of the century.

Julie Granger (1:05:33)

And I didn't know where you were going. I really am grateful for that period of my life in my coaching work where I was like, it's 12 week program and we're gonna work together for six months and here's where you're gonna get. I'm grateful for that. And I'm so with you on, I wish I had at that time the clarity and courage to just say, hey, it's gonna be a spiritual journey. I mean, I know I said that to you behind closed doors, but like, hey.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:05:55)

Yeah, you did. And it was 100

% spot on.

Julie Granger (1:05:58)

I don't actually know how long this is gonna last and where we're going. I have no idea who you're gonna be on the other side of this. So let's go. You ready? You wanna go on a ride?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:06:05)

So let's do it. I love it. I know. it's,

people are used to spending money. And let's just say this, like it's always about money in terms of where people like, where they're headed next with their health, you know, they're going to price things out. And that's, that's okay. That's fair. But people are used to spending their money on things that have a defined outcome. And I think that's the biggest myth and illusion in healthcare today is like,

Julie Granger (1:06:18)

Yeah.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:06:35)

We don't know how this is going to look. Nobody has a magic crystal ball, but what I know to be true, and I so wholeheartedly feel this like head to toe inside and out, is that if you trust and that's the currency, you'll be on the track that you're meant to be on.

Julie Granger (1:06:55)

Trust dealer. You're a trust dealer. Not even that, because you don't give them the trust. You just, again, mirror it. It's just there. You hold the liminal tension and let them see that if you're safe with it, they can be safe with it too. Yeah. So beautiful. man. Okay. Well, I know that we could talk about this for at least 30 more years.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:07:00)

Yeah, right. That's right. It's there.

Yeah.

exactly.

Bye!

Yeah,

and we probably will through, you know, messages here and there.

Julie Granger (1:07:25)

We will continue to do so.

But we have to at some point move on with our lives and our days and go be amazing dog moms. So Are you ready for the lightning round questions? They're a surprise. All right. We have five questions. Question number one. If you could be any animal other than a human, what would you be and why?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:07:38)

I've been waiting for this.

Gosh, a lot goes through my mind here, but my initial instinct, an owl. Yeah, and I'm always like, they just seem kind of cool and wise, and they could turn their head all around, and they like, I'm not a night owl, I love sleep, but I do love the evenings. I love winter when it's just darker. I'm a fan, and so I feel like I could thrive as an owl.

Julie Granger (1:07:58)

I know.

Same.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:08:18)

Ha ha!

Julie Granger (1:08:19)

You're a like Twilight Owl. You know, Twilight into moon rising phase. Yeah, that's one of the most magical times of day for me as well. It's where my best work is actually done, which is really difficult because it then dysregulates me and I can't go to sleep.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:08:22)

Yeah.

Yes, there you go.

Julie Granger (1:08:39)

It's a real paradox. But I love that. You're an owl. So good. Okay, next question. If you could get a drink with two people, dead or alive, who are they? Why? What do you want to say or ask them?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:08:54)

Well, my first one's gonna not be a curve ball, you know this. Bob Ross would be the first person. And this is so interesting. Like I've actually been a long time fan of his. When I lived up in Fairbanks, I would like sit in my robe, again, very, very wintery, dark, cold, and I just watch Bob. And I now do that, that's my happy hour is especially when my husband's not home, long about like four or five, I turn on the TV and the Bob Ross channel pops up immediately.

Julie Granger (1:09:01)

Yes.

The robe.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:09:22)

It's just, he is so, I think he's a guy with a history and he has probably seen some shit in his life. And I bet you his transformation was a big one into the Bob Ross that we all know and think of. So I would love to just have a talk with him and just kind of be in his presence. What's your story? Yeah. Exactly. And like the happy little accidents, we don't make mistakes. We make happy accidents.

Julie Granger (1:09:27)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, what's your story, man? How did you get to Happy Little Trees?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:09:53)

So he'd be my first one. And then there are so many others, but the one that I'm going to choose is Martha Ballard. And she, wrote this in my little intake form. She is this amazing midwife from the like late 1700s, early 1800s. A lot of people don't know her, but she has an epic story. And I would love to pick her brain. Tell me what

Julie Granger (1:10:12)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:10:22)

Tell me what you've seen and what wisdom you have for me as a modern-day human.

Julie Granger (1:10:28)

Yeah, mm-hmm. like pioneering in the women's health space 300 years ago. Amazing, I guess, yeah, 300, 200. I don't know, the math is not math-ing in my brain right now. All right, question three. Does pineapple belong on pizza?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:10:32)

true pioneer. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, a while back.

Yes, with ham and sometimes green peppers. Yes, pineapple definitely belongs on pizza. It's okay if people disagree.

Julie Granger (1:10:49)

Emphatic, yes.

It's a very polarizing question, but I love that one. Okay, I'm a fly on the wall on an average Friday night for you. What do I see you doing?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:11:00)

It is. I love that one.

shoot. Okay. Well, it kind of depends if my husband's home or not home. And my husband travels a lot. That's why I say that. And so let's just say last Friday he was not home. So what you would find me doing is, and this is so true and I'm going to just say it, is I will be in my blue robe, probably showered in my blue robe, eating dinner probably between the five and six o'clock hour. I will have a glass of red wine.

Julie Granger (1:11:17)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:11:40)

generally Pinot Noir if it's my preference and watching an episode of Bob Ross and then probably diving into a show of like I've watched Emily in Paris, I recently finished the Alone series in Tasmania. I just I love to turn off on Friday night. I love it. I love being home and cozy. That's what you'd find me doing with my dog Brewster.

Julie Granger (1:11:52)

Mmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

course with Brewster. And we need to have Brewster on the podcast. I think we need to just stick Aspen here and Brewster and let them chat. They would be like soul, soul dog, soul dog mates. I feel like your blue robe is has its own personality.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:12:07)

Yeah. Aww. They would love that. Yeah.

It sure does. It's a... Okay, yeah, deal.

Julie Granger (1:12:25)

We'll do a podcast episode just on the blue robe and all

of the things it has heard and seen and supported you on. You could write a whole book. All right, last one. What is a hidden pleasure or obsession of yours that people might find surprising, weird, quirky, or questionable?

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:12:33)

boy, I love that.

Hmm.

man, that's interesting.

Now that is a little thinker. What would people find surprising?

Julie Granger (1:12:59)

quirky.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:12:59)

quirky.

It's so funny. How am I drawing a blank? Like there is something there. And I think what comes up, here's why I think it's easy to draw a blank on this one. Cause you're just like, well, it's not really not that quirky Like you have these ideas. It's not that quirky That one's kind of normal. So here, I'm just going to kind of, and it spawns off the last one is I am, I always jokingly say I'm a snow leopard. I'm the friend who's a snow leopard and I love friends. I love.

Julie Granger (1:13:25)

Mm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:13:30)

girlfriends that I have. I've won the jackpot there. But I can be a hard person to be social. Like I don't always, I don't want to go out. And so I'm like a snow leopard where you know I'm there. I'm just not always seen in the wild. And so I spend a lot of time at home in my robe and like reading. I mean I binge books like there's no tomorrow and I will often have four or five books going on at once. And it's not because I have ADHD. I just like it just depends on what I want to read that night. And so I would say that's my kind of

Julie Granger (1:13:37)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Same.

Totally.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:14:00)

that's my element where I just like to be left alone for a little while and just like in immerse in a world that I get to like play in in my own brain. I think that's probably my like quirky belief is like really hard for me to get out and about. It's hard for me to like go on hikes with girlfriends because I want to be alone on a hike and I feel like kind of an asshole sometimes but like they know that and they love that for me.

Julie Granger (1:14:05)

You

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

I feel so seen by everything you just said, so thank you for sharing that. You're right. It's not, well, it's not weird to me. I feel the snow leopard thing, wanting to be alone on hikes, all of that, and the reading four or five books. Mm-hmm. Yes. It's just based on mood. Totally. Yeah. Interesting.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:14:32)

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Julie Granger (1:14:49)

So glad you shared that. Well, that really concludes our questions and our chat, but tell me where people can find you, connect more deeply with you, your work, any of that kind of stuff.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:14:58)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, first of all, this has been wonderful. Thank you for creating this space and thank you for being you. I'm so glad we have connected in this life. You can find me on Instagram. It's like I actually I'm the human behind that that page at @kelseacannotdpt And I literally I like when people send messages and like I do like the engagement online. It's fun. You get to learn a lot from people. It's not all crap.

Julie Granger (1:15:04)

course.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Me too. Mm-hmm, me too. It is fun.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:15:27)

And there's a lot of funny memes and reels. So, it's like, you want to talk about being seen, you scroll your Instagram and the algorithm knows you better than you know yourself.

Julie Granger (1:15:28)

Yeah. So many funny memes and reels.

It knows you. I know

it's such a great reflection. And I'm always like, oh, dang it. Like I sometimes tell it to stop sending me things when I've like moved past something. I'm like, that's enough. Like we're good here.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:15:43)

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, I've done the same.

Yeah, I agree. Like choose another path and stuff. But yeah, I do enjoy my Instagram presence and other people's presence on it. And I have a website, kelseacannon.com, which has like, you you can book a consult, you can send me an email. So,

Julie Granger (1:16:00)

Me too.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:16:12)

know, give me a shout. Don't be a stranger if anything, you know, resonates or you just want to like initiate conversation without pressure. Like, I'm here for that. Because I do think one thing can lead to another and some people are just meant to be in each other's lives.

Julie Granger (1:16:21)

Yeah.

Totally true. Yep. I know I feel that way about a lot of the people who I end up working with. Sometimes I sit on it for a while because it's just, I don't know, you know, I haven't gotten that and action from the universe yet. I need to sit in the tension for a little while. And I love that you really foster that type of connectivity with people as well, that they may, you know.

hold you in their back pocket for a little while and then they know they know when it's right. Yeah amazing. Well thanks for being here we'll have to have you back and see what's percolating next.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:16:58)

Yep. Yep. Totally. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks Julie.

I, yeah. What fun. And I'm excited to see where your podcast goes and and listen in as a subscriber.

Julie Granger (1:17:12)

Yeah!

Yay. Yes, please do. If you guys have

heard anything we said today or are moved by anything, either of us said first of all, definitely go follow Kelsea, send her messages, and make sure you subscribe to the podcast, write us a review, and share it with a friend. All right. Thank you, Kelsea.

Dr. Kelsea Cannon (1:17:31)

love that. Thank you.

Bye.

Julie Granger (1:17:36)

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