Stop Caring What People Think: The Art of Giving Less Fucks

Why do we care so much about what other people think? Foster and Cesar explore the art of giving less fucks, as a source of freedom from needing to control how others perceive you. Despite a world steeped in people-pleasing, our biological fear of being ostracized by the tribe no longer serves us in the age of social media and cancel culture. They ask the question: is it possible to incrementally build the muscle of caring less? They reveal how to balance kindness and truth, why you can't control how someone receives your message, and the power of giving less fucks as a soil bed for boldness and creativity.

In this episode they explore: 

• The real work: not giving a fuck without anger 
• Why caring what people think is a biological fear that no longer serves us
• How Foster incrementally desensitized herself to being seen
• Cesar's "back pocket fucklessness" and when to access it
• How posting daily on TikTok made the flops stop mattering

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Transcript

Do you think Kim Kardashian gives a fuck what I think about her?
You didn't care or did you care?
Thank you. Yes, thank you for the correction.
Yes, I cared so much that I convinced myself that I didn't care.
I wasn't angry. No, I wasn't angry.
I was embarrassed, I think.
Welcome to Beauty and the Break.
Here we explore stories of how barriers are broken,
both within ourselves and within the world.
I'm Foster Wilson.
And I'm Cesar Cardona.
This is a home for you,
questioning the rules you inherited and choosing your own path forward.
We are here with you on this messy and courageous journey.
Let's dive in.
Can you see me, yeah, singing this song to you?
I was wondering if you could see me,
and then I remembered that there's a Jimi Hendrix song.
Here's a thought.
I got a role as director of membership
for the National Speakers Association of Southern California.
It has been wonderful.
And I feel very confident in my choices,
in my life, in my everything,
because the president-elect saw me and said,
that person should be on the board for us.
And I'm thrilled by it.
Here's what's interesting.
I have been now wanting to hear so much more Jimi Hendrix.
Really?
Why?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what this is.
So for backstory, for anyone listening here,
I've listened to Jimi Hendrix since I was six years old, actually.
I didn't know I was listening to him, but I was.
Then I found his music officially at 14 and said,
oh, that's that guy from before.
And from 14 until about, I'd say, 28 or 30 or so,
I listened to him every day.
I got books, DVDs, CDs.
I got shirts, everything about Jimi Hendrix.
James Marshall Hendrix, born November 27, 1942.
And that's a condensed version of it.
I know almost everything about the man.
And then I just stopped listening to him.
A little bit of it was I became 28, which he died at 26.
And I started seeing him as a boy.
He wasn't my hero anymore because I had lived more life
and I saw where his pitfalls were.
So it felt more like, oh, poor guy, right?
And then I just stopped.
And I still love him.
I mean, I got a picture frame of him here in my hallway.
And I will always revere him as my top three,
Jimi Hendrix, Beethoven, Jeff Buckley.
And then out of nowhere, I get this job.
And I just want to hear Jimi Hendrix.
What I've put together so far has been,
a part of me feels like I'm making him proud.
Aw.
And therefore making myself proud.
And I'm loving the sound of his music again.
In a whole different way, though.
Anyway, that being said, we're going to move over
to the topic of this episode.
It's about giving less fucks.
Fuck-lessness.
Fuck-lessness.
I thought you were going to say fuck and then like,
insert someone's name.
Yeah, that's the power of the pivot.
Fuck-lessness.
It's a pregnant pause.
Well, we talked about this in relation to creativity,
getting out of your own way,
to stop caring what other people think.
But it's such an easier said than done sort of vibe.
I think we all want to give less fucks.
Isn't there a book called Give No Fucks?
Yeah, The Subtle Art of...
Giving, not giving a fuck.
Not giving a fuck.
The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck.
Don't know.
Not endorsing that book or not.
I have no idea.
I just remember the title.
But I think that it's like such a powerful idea,
but feels so foreign to me as someone who's like been a lifelong people pleaser.
I give so many fucks.
I care what everyone thinks.
It's an abundance of fucks.
Mm-hmm.
I think a lot of my life has been undoing that and definitely undoing people pleasing.
But the phrase like not giving a fuck is so much more powerful than just not people pleasing.
Right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The real work for the balance is not giving a fuck without anger.
Mm-hmm.
Because then you are giving a fuck.
There is that.
Sure.
There are some people I know, I've literally heard them say like, I don't care.
And I'm like, you care.
Yeah.
You care a lot actually.
Okay.
I'll let you have that, but you do care.
You definitely care.
But then there's a not giving a fuck of like whichever way it goes.
Okay.
That's where it lands.
It could be thought of as one person.
Like I don't give a fuck what that person thinks of me.
Mm-hmm.
But when you start to multiply it out to a group of people, this is where we get the real fear of caring about what people think of me.
Right.
Caring about what the world thinks of me.
The barriers between us and the rest of the world have all been broken down because of social media and the internet.
So we now get to hear in real time what someone thinks of us.
Yeah.
You know?
And then we get to see the blowback and the response for it as well.
Mm-hmm.
Cancel culture, arguments, debating, doxing people, you name it.
You really lose a lot of people's perspectives because a lot of really well-intentioned people who have good ideas and information to share are very paralyzed by this idea that they would be judged, misinterpreted, and therefore canceled.
But I think it goes further than that. I think it goes to the point where, like, if you think back to the Salem witch trials, if you disappoint a group of people and you're ostracized by a group of people, you're stoned to death.
Yeah. What goes even further than that is our ancestors who were in tribes. You don't want to be isolated from the tribe because then you're more prone to attack from a different tribe or being attacked by an animal and you have nobody to support you.
It's a very biological fear, but it's no longer serving us today.
No.
What's your level of I don't give a fuck?
The fucklessness is always in my back pocket. Always in my back pocket. And I don't go into my day looking to use it, but I know how quickly I have access to it at any given time.
It's also not recklessness. It's the act of letting go of how something lands.
Having no fucks to give, in my perspective, is letting go of how something lands with somebody. Because however it lands with them is their journey and their process.
Now, I can make sure I'm doing justice to my own self by making sure my words are true and kind together, because the kindness will stop the truth from becoming arrogant or sharp, and the truth will stop the kindness from being nice or soft.
And there's a nice balance there. The no fucks that I give is how it lands once I've done those two things. And I keep that in my back pocket at all times.
It's really wild that we believe, I believe for so long that I could control how someone else felt. We know that's not true consciously, but I really think I believed that I had power to control how other people perceived me and also how they felt.
And also, the idea that someone else thinking something negative about me or feeling a certain way, whether they felt bad about something, or I don't want to make someone feel bad, or whether they were upset with me or angry with something that I did.
And it's not my business. But that idea is so uncomfortable for me to sit in, I've upset someone, I've done something. I have way too much power in that way. I have too much power to either make this person feel a certain way, good or bad. It's a terrible place to live.
Yeah, the original thought you had of thinking that I could control how somebody feels is not incorrect, it's just incomplete, because they still have their own process, and their own accountability to take all that information. Words clearly are like spells. I could literally say something to you right now that could make you cry, and you to me, and me to somebody at Trader Joe's, without question. There is a level of letting go after that, though.
I had this client yesterday I was talking to, I was giving them a meditation, and they work for a big grocery store. And I gave them the analogy, I said, if you help that customer in the aisle with something, once you've helped them, do you follow them to the checkout line and help them check out? And then you get in the car with them and then go home and help them cook the meal? No, you let it go. You've done the thing you need to do, you've informed and affected the person, but then you gotta let it go. And that's where the actual no fucks start.
And it gets even bigger when, to follow the metaphor, somebody from that same grocery store, but in a different part of the country, is pissed at you for sharing this item on aisle seven, which is metaphor for people online and social media and the whole world.
And we have a president right now who is consistently not being taken down from a lot of not caring. He's just saying what he wants to say while everybody's, he's being divisive by it, but while everybody's arguing that, he's just moved on to the next thing.
That in premise is super effective. He's doing it for very divisive and unhealthy reasons, but it's still effective nonetheless. And it keeps you sharp. It keeps you clear. It keeps you true to yourself and true to the world. And it frees you up of the consistent imagination that your mind can give you about, what if I say this? How are they going to take it? And then what do I got to say?
And should I not say this then? You are going to spin yourself in cycles thinking, how am I going to say this the right way? Instead of just dropping it, letting it land. If you want to reflect on how it did, you can do that, but then you got to let it go. You got to let it the fuck go.
When have you felt like you got that right?
In my adult life.
What do you mean?
Well, when I was a kid, I had a really sharp tongue. I remember having a sharp tongue with people and I didn't care. And that was aggressive because I was angry as a kid. My childhood sucked.
You didn't care or did you care?
Thank you. Yes. Thank you for the correction. Yes. I cared so much that I convinced myself that I didn't care. Thank you for that correction.
You also possibly were trying to get attention because your needs weren't being met. And so you cared quite an awful lot. That was just the tool that you used to try to get somebody to pay attention to you and fucking feed you and shit.
Yes. Literally. Absolutely. Yes. So yes to that. And then answering your question to my adult life, it's always kind of been there. Like I said, it's in my back pocket. I feel like I'm reaching forward a little more now.
I'm reaching forward a little more in a more strategic place, which is to say before in conversations with people, one-to-one or on social media, on our page, on TikTok, for example, when we went viral, people are saying whatever.
I'm being more strategic on when I should be playing this fucklessness card. And that's happened in the last few years.
And so I'm taking more offense because beforehand it was, I'll only respond. I'll only respond. I'll only respond. Now it's, no, no, I'm going to say this. Having a conversation with somebody.
There was a client that I had. We're doing laps together. Historically, for years, she would say a lot of things about how tired she is and exhausted and on and on and on. And it was an over complaint.
And then finally, one day I had no fucks in that moment. And she goes, I'm tired. And I said, yeah, my ears are tired. And she cracked up. She laughed so hard. And I was like, oh my God.
I didn't give a fuck on should I say this or not. And I'm not saying you have to go and be that way with everybody, but there's a lesson there of like, you know what? I'm going to say this. I'm going to say what I'm feeling right here and right now.
I knew her enough to be able to say that in a joking manner, of course.
No, I think that's a good example. You're reminding me of like, when we put the power of our experience onto other people, we take everything away from ourselves.
And we just are living in this precarious place where the experiences out in the world, the things that happen to us, the experiences of our life, and the other people in our life completely have us by the reins.
That we're just following along with what the world is giving us.
That's caring what other people think. That's giving them all of the power.
For a lot of my life, I did that in relationship too.
I very much would focus on what does the other person need to feel safe, to feel calm, to feel copacetic or just content.
Maybe happy, but it wasn't really that. It was sort of more baseline things.
And it's great to have a safe container for your partner.
And I put all of the responsibility on me for the other person to feel calm.
It was all my responsibility.
And if I didn't do it, then I was to blame. I was in fault.
In the last few years, the transition of taking up space in my own life, really drawing such a clear boundary around myself, where this container, where I am, this space can only be filled up by me.
And the things I do, of course, affect the people around me, but I am only responsible for me.
And of course, my children.
I think that what's more is that maybe we should be saying and reminding that it's giving less fucks.
Right?
It's not giving no fucks.
Again, that's like a carelessness.
That's like a destructive way of thinking.
It's giving less fucks.
It's finding like, okay, let me pull back a little bit.
Because if you're trying to people please constantly, are you serving your own self?
No, not at all.
And then on the reverse end, if you are only serving the self, are you helping?
Are you being a part of the interconnected planet itself?
No.
Not at all.
So like, where's that gauge for where you are?
My giving less fucks is rooted usually when somebody is trying to make me feel a certain way or is being very shut in about whatever the conversation is, the feeling they're feeling or I'm feeling or whatever it is.
At some point, I'm like, okay.
Okay, cool.
Understandable.
I'm going to just stop right here.
Can you give an example of that?
Yeah, totally.
So I had, when I was a musician, I, there was a drummer of mine that I had for my band and she would get to a point where she would get upset with me for saying no to shows.
She's asking that if I wanted to play.
The issue was she was finding shows that were one, far away, two, that were usually empty.
And then three, she still wanted to pay for it.
That trifecta is just not, it's not going to work.
And then she'd get snappy in rehearsals.
So then one day I said, hey, can I talk to you really quick?
And we went outside.
I was saying, this is what I'm kind of finding out is what's going on.
And I explained some of these things here.
And she goes, okay, well, I bring these shows to you and you're not showing up for them.
I said, yeah, I'm saying no to them because they're not fitting the primers that I've said I wanted.
She goes, okay, that's understandable.
I said, but now when we're in rehearsal, you're being very not nice, very sharp, very rigid.
You're talking out of the side of your mouth is what I said.
And she goes, oh, that's just how I am.
And I stopped right there.
I go, okay.
And I said back to her, you're not willing to understand how you're being to the rest of the band and me.
And you're just saying it's just because that's how you are.
Correct?
She said, yes, got it.
Okay.
One, she chose to not give any fucks, right?
Two, I in that moment said, the fuck stop right here.
Because you're not even making the effort to say, okay, okay, understood, heard, or something.
You don't even got to say, I'm sorry, I'll fix it.
I don't need all that shit.
That was the last show I ever played with that woman.
And I was like, we're done here.
We're done.
We're totally done here.
That's the lack of fucks I needed to give.
And if I find myself getting to a point where people are showing that sort of resistance to like, well, this is just how I am.
Cool.
Usually I will say it right back to you.
You're saying that you're this, this, this, and that.
So you hear how it sounds.
Great.
My fucks have stopped right here.
Like your boundary, essentially.
I guess so.
It's kind of like your boundary about caring about somebody else.
I guess so.
It's not that I don't care.
It's how much effort am I going to put into this individual who's not even aiming to have a dialogue and make a connection.
If we're spinning in circles at some point, then maybe my boundaries go there because I'm not going to go in circles.
I won't do it.
I also grew up in a space where some members of my family would actively try to make me feel guilty when I was a kid for being Black, for things that I just didn't want.
A family member of mine used to ask.
They'd make food, not tell me they were making food, and say, hey, are you hungry?
Do you want this food?
I go, no, I'm not hungry.
Mind you, I'm five.
They would say, oh, okay.
Well, after I just spent a whole hour making this rice for you.
I didn't ask you for any of those things.
So there was a part of me that got really quick with, if you're trying to make me feel a certain way here, you're not having a connection.
And for that, I'm like, oh, here's the giving less fucks card.
And I started going from there.
And then it started to bleed into how I do my output in my life at this age now.
Because as a Buddhist, again, we're true and kind.
So I'm able to have this way of going about my career, my business, that my choices are getting bolder and bolder.
And now I'm hearing people who are constantly telling me that it can't be done, or it's hard, or it is not expected, or whatever thing they want to put in there.
And immediately I think, okay, understandable.
The fucks I get for this level of opinion right now is less.
You're getting bolder and bolder in what you're doing creatively in your business and in your career.
And just to tie it back to the beginning, and you're being rewarded on the greater level for it.
You're being acknowledged and chosen where it matters by the people who.
By the people who are in a field that I appreciate and I revere.
Yeah, 100%.
And it's, again, I almost said the strategery is what I almost said just now.
The strategy of when to apply that.
It's like fire, right?
It's, you use the fire on the stove to cook the meals, but it could also burn your house down.
So you make that adjustment.
The very first time I was at the National Speakers Association, one of the meetings, the speaker there, her name was Sherry Fitz.
And she's showing you how to, like, map out your LinkedIn profile and whatnot.
And she's got her LinkedIn opened up and saying, this is what we can critique and so on and so on.
And she says, later on, if anybody would like, we can pull yours up on this screen and critique it.
And immediately I went, I don't give a fuck.
And so she says, any questions?
Before we got to that segment, I raised my hand and said, yeah, first thing first, pull up my LinkedIn, please.
Cesar Cardona.
And I'd love to see you dissect it from there.
I'm going to beat to the punch.
Why?
Because I give less fucks.
And I'll tell you what happens.
I learned more.
Because I'm just putting myself out there constantly.
Constantly, constantly, constantly.
And trying shit out and saying, I can't waste my energy thinking about if this thing is going to flop or fail or is going to look bad or whatever.
Let it fail.
I will learn something from it.
The fucks I give about it are only given to learning.
And what people want to say, it's a different conversation entirely.
The video, I go to this one a lot, the video of me getting emotional, talking about you being stressed and overworked.
And it worries me because I care about your health and I want you in my life.
And the comments, a lot of people were like, well, he's just saying he wants her to do nothing.
She's doing all the work.
He's doing nothing.
That ain't it.
Two, one of the comments said, she looks uncomfortable.
If I gave too many fucks, I would have argued with those people and I would have felt anger and aggression to them and all the other shit.
Instead, I saw that and I crack up and laugh.
I even want to put that she looks uncomfortable on a Beauty and the Break shirt with the picture of just that screenshot on the shirt.
It's so funny because the more, I think the people who are willing to give less fucks are willing to be in the public eye more.
Do you think Kim Kardashian gives a fuck what I think about her?
She really doesn't.
The people who have made such strides and even in business, even in, everything's public, right?
Like even people who aren't celebrities, like they're still big business people.
They're still in the public eye.
Politicians, you're going to disappoint people.
You're going to upset people.
And the more public you become, the more chances are there's going to be a whole lot of people that are displeased by you.
Carl Jung says, the brighter the light, the darker the shadow.
It's almost a necessity for someone who is in any kind of field in which they need to succeed.
You're going to have to lead at some point.
If you're really successful at what you do, chances are you're going to be in the public limelight.
You're going to be on social media.
You're going to be leading teams.
You're going to be growing a business, selling a business, whatever it is.
Even if you're a doctor at the top of your field at a medical facility, you're still interfacing with the board members.
You're interfacing with patients.
It matters that you are able to do what you do best, which is this is your showing up as true and kind.
You have to do what you do best through your own filter and your own values.
And all of that is super vital.
You're not coming in there like, I don't give a fuck about this person.
I'm going to do surgery on whatever.
It's not that.
It's all of your values as whatever it is that you do.
If you then are able to let go of other people's opinions about the matter, that's when you're going to rise to the top.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And in this society, we get adored for that.
We get respected for that because of this social worry about who's going to say what and who's going to do what.
Instead, the person who just keeps charting through, whether we want to or not, we just start looking to them to inform how they're going to make us feel constantly.
Are they going to make me feel angry?
I'm going to read about what they said.
Are they going to make me feel good?
I'm going to read about what they said.
That person is going to keep moving.
You listening right now, think about somebody that angers you.
You got them?
Good.
That person right now has no idea that you're angry at them.
So they're not affected by it.
But you are affected by it.
Because you're holding on to that.
You're giving so much fuck to somebody who is not affecting.
Right.
And that anger matters when there is an action that you can take.
Damn right.
And then you make the fire that cooks food instead of burning the house down.
And then you actually take that action.
Which is where we get into kind of this hot water with politics and paying attention.
Because actually, I am someone who does not seep myself in news and current events on like a daily basis.
Because I saw firsthand what it did to my mood.
This level of anger with which I had nothing to do.
Right.
So I would get angry and upset about people running our country and all of the rights being taken away.
And it would infiltrate all of my day.
And then there was not an appropriate level of action to be able to take for that much input.
Right.
Exactly.
There is still anger that is useful in these situations.
And this is why it is.
It's not like put your head in the sand.
Don't look at it.
It's like understand what's going on.
Understand what role you can play in that in making those changes.
But if you've already done that and taken those actions and you're still getting angry about it,
maybe that is an inappropriate level of information and an inappropriate level of anger.
Because there isn't an appropriate action to take.
I love this story.
I heard about somebody whose husband cheated on her.
And she left her marriage.
She's like, I'm still left with all this residual rage and anger.
Someone said, well, that anger is so important because it's what got, it's activated you to get you out of that relationship.
And now you have to release it because it's no longer serving you.
I mean, it makes me think for you in particular, there was a little bit of aggression or anger.
And the beginning with people who were commenting online.
How do you feel about it now?
I wasn't angry.
No, I wasn't angry.
I was embarrassed, I think.
Okay.
I was embarrassed.
Shame.
I felt a myriad of emotions, depending on the comment.
Embarrassed, shame, and wanting to kind of make sure I got things.
I think it was making sure I got things right.
And then feeling like, oh, no, I got it.
I got something wrong.
I gave misinformation or something like that.
How do you feel now?
I feel like any comment serves the algorithm.
See how much less fucks you gave?
Yeah.
But you didn't not give any fucks.
You just gave less fucks.
Oh, God.
My journey with social media has been such, like, very, very interesting.
Because I was, first of all, only used it as a personal platform, like, whenever.
Then I pulled all my personal stuff off.
And then I just use it professionally.
And only when I had something to, like, share or announce.
Didn't put much effort into it.
Then I shared a lot of my poetry.
But I did it in a text format where I just hand wrote it.
And it was actually, it had its day.
It had, like, a fair amount of success by putting my words out there.
But I was also, like, safe because I was just putting my words out.
And I wasn't putting my face out there.
So that was something that was really hard for me.
And I was consistent with that.
And then a year later, I was really, like, I need to take it to the next level.
And I have to put my face out there.
And it sort of, I think, coincided with starting this show where I had to really put not just my voice.
But we were also, this is also a video podcast.
And we have clips online, of course.
And so there's so much social.
The hurdle of putting my face out there was, like, a big one.
I have a lot of body dysmorphia.
I have a lot of insecurities about how I look.
And so I had to do it in the increments that felt uncomfortable but not unsafe.
I had to do them in, like, small increments and bit by bit to desensitize myself to that.
And then I had to take, like, one bad comment and be like, what?
Not like somebody was like, you're ugly.
Although that could have been a thing, too.
But it's something far more, less triggering for me.
But something about something I said.
I said it wrong.
I said something people didn't like.
It's like a workout.
You got to start off with, like, the five pounds.
And then do you feel comfortable with that?
Then you move yourself up to the 10.
And then 15, 20.
Next thing you know, you're bench pressing, you know, 100 pounds, 150 pounds, 200 pounds, whatever it is.
How can you get comfortable with the uncomfortable?
And now I pose on TikTok almost every day.
I mean, that's really the goal.
And I'm just, like, we are trying shit.
We're coming up with new stuff.
I always use TikTok as our example of our, it's our play space.
Because the show is our, like, creative baby that we put out there.
And TikTok is, like, bits and pieces.
You know, it's got its own mind.
And so I'm more than happy to, like, throw something up, have it bomb.
Okay, whatever.
Next.
I'm doing it so much that the flops, although there's plenty of things that don't perform well, it doesn't matter.
Tomorrow's another day.
I'm posting something else today.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
That's the note.
That's literally it.
It doesn't matter.
What does matter is the one that you make.
The one that actually takes.
There's a talk that I give.
And in the presentation, there's a video of a vine and the time lapse of it growing.
It spins around and around and around.
It gets bigger and bigger and bigger until it finally catches a latch.
But it missed the latch, like, 20 times.
It consistently missed until it just needed one time.
And that's it.
And you'll never get to that 20th time if you care way too much.
Yeah.
If you give too many fucks, you'll never get to that point.
The bolderness of it, the boldness is birthed out of the soil bed of giving less fucks.
I really do think it has to be done incrementally.
I don't think you can do it all in one fell swoop.
What's something you want to give less fucks about?
Yeah, I want to give less fucks about the small negativities that people say in conversations.
I, like, think about them later on and for a while.
And then I see the person again.
I'm still thinking about the thing that they said.
There's somebody I'm thinking about in particular that their entire dialogue, their tone, how they say it, and sometimes physically is an eye roll.
It's like, oh, this just sucks because, you know, all your traffic and blah, blah, blah.
You could say anything.
And it's like, oh, be careful.
I could tell this person.
I got on the ship.
I got an award to go on Artemis 3 to go to the moon.
They'd be like, oh, my God, watch out for asteroids.
Like, it's so much.
It's so much.
I want to care less about that.
I keep thinking about it in my head over and over and over again about that sort of negativity.
And I, other people in my life who are that way.
I just want to give less fucks about that.
Yeah.
And not hold on to it so much.
That's good.
Thank you all.
And please, as usual, please give less fucks.
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Beauty in the Break is created and hosted by Foster Wilson and Cesar Cardona.
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