Tips for Rootedness: Neuro-Linguistic Programming NLP

Aliyah Mohyeddin, a renowned NLP master trainer and resilience expert, reveals how neuro-linguistic programming can be a game-changer in rediscovering your purpose and reauthoring your life story. Aliyah shares her deeply personal story of battling depression, shame, and self-doubt during turbulent times—showing how NLP became her lifeline. She explains how childhood programming and cultural norms shape your beliefs and behaviors, often unknowingly keeping you in a state of inertia. You’ll discover how NLP’s core principles—such as reframing your narrative, changing your language, and anchoring resourceful states—can help break free from these inner barriers. Her transformative journey from deep depression to empowerment demonstrates that change isn’t just possible—it’s within your reach, no matter how dark things seem.

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Transcript

Kiran Prasad (00:00)
This episode may not be suitable for everyone because it contains some sensitive material including mention of

suicide ideation.

Information shared is based on personal experiences and not meant to replace medical, psychological or other professional help.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (00:20)
I was in such a deep depression. I said I feel

we're all born with a quota of words and I feel like I've used up mine.

And

there was a sense of whether I lived or whether I didn't, there was no difference in the world to anybody or anything.

Kiran Prasad (00:35)
Oh how

Aliyah Mohyeddin (00:37)
We can create a brand new script. We can create a brand new sense of who we are, who we want to be.

To say that it changed my life is an understatement.

Kiran Prasad (00:49)
Hi everyone. Welcome to season two of the Uprooted by Unwanted Change podcast about managing life transitions. I'm your host Kiran

Prasad.

Today's tips for rootedness are about NLP, Neuro-Linguistic Programming. It's a tool used for personal development, business coaching, and mental wellbeing. In this episode, you'll learn all about it and how it might help transform our lives after unwanted change.

Now, NLP, from what I've learned, actually originated in my home state of California, USA,

in the seventies. Lately, I keep hearing about it on social media. There's been just such a revival it seems, That's why it's everywhere, especially in the U.S.,  UK, Canada, Australia, and India, where there's such great demand for it. Now, I'm not an expert on this topic, and that's why I've brought in someone who is,

Aliyah Mohyeddin. Aliyah was highly referred to me by Nadia Jamil.

Nadia

raves about you, Aliyah and about

your

NLP masterclass that she took. She credits NLP with having changed her life. So I found it all very intriguing when I heard about it from her as well. So Thanks for being here today.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (02:19)
⁓

Thank you for having me, Kiran. I'm really excited to be here.

Kiran Prasad (02:25)
Thank you for also navigating recording across time zones because it's late evening for you in Karachi, Pakistan, and it's 7 a.m. for me in California and I'm not an early bird, so I might need that extra cup of chai or coffee this morning. So, ⁓ Aliyah.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (02:38)
That's absolutely fine. Those are

the benefits of the modern world to be able to connect so easily across time zones, cultures, boundaries, etc.

Kiran Prasad (02:47)
Yeah.

Exactly.

So you're no stranger to working internationally because you do that all the time, which I'm going to run through now about your very impressive background and with your NLP credentials as well. So...

Aliyah Mohyeddin (03:09)
Thank you.

Kiran Prasad (03:10)
You are a CEO and founder of Dynamic Communications Consulting, and a globally recognized master trainer of NLP, consultant and leadership coach. You have nearly two decades of experience in leadership development,

human behavior and conflict resolution, working internationally with leaders and teams to build resilience, strengthen communication, and navigate change with confidence. And also as an international ambassador for the Association of NLP, member of the International Trainers Association, and a senior member of the European Mentoring and Coaching Council, you bring deep expertise and

global perspective to your work. So was that everything? I hope I covered everything.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (04:00)
Pretty much,

Kiran Prasad (04:01)
Yeah. need

So Aliyah, now we know about your professional background, I'd really love for us to get to know who Aliyah is outside of the work that you do. And you've been known to say that our childhood shapes us, but it doesn't have to define us. So how did your childhood help shape you?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (04:24)
Such a great question. ⁓ So First of all, what I am and who I am outside of work and all very generously described by you is I'm a mother of two gorgeous children. I'm a mother of two crazy dogs, and I'm a mother of two fluffy cats. ⁓ And in a way they are the most important things in my life. ⁓ Yeah, I do believe that that

Kiran Prasad (04:44)
Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (04:50)
our childhood, the past does not have to define us in the present or in the future. And it does play a role, of course.

Kiran Prasad (04:56)
you've just frozen.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (04:58)
And what I mean really by that is that, you know, whatever happens in the past happens, but doesn't have to influence the present

Kiran Prasad (04:58)
Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (05:06)
or the future. ⁓ Now having said that, yeah I'm one of the lucky people, I believe I had a, I had a very beautiful childhood growing up. I think I was quite blessed.

My mother was father's Pakistani. ⁓ And so I was brought up in two very different cultures. And my mother was Christian, Australian, white. My father was Pakistani, Muslim. And I was brought up in an environment between both the countries and also with two parents who...

were very respectful of each other.

Yeah, they were very respectful of each other's cultures, of each other's religions, etc. And so we I feel we grew up in a in very open, inclusive environment. And so we engage with people from you know, all religions and backgrounds when we were growing up. And I think we were very, very lucky ⁓ about that. And it definitely had a very strong influencing factor. I mean, I look at my parents the way they even met as a very romantic,

very inspirational story. Having said that, no childhood is perfect. And my teenage years in particular, in the 1980s,

in Pakistan and we as a family were living in Lahore. And it was what was called the Zia-ul era children. That's what we were called. And it was an interesting time because there was this enhanced conservatism that had come in.

Kind of draconian values that was coming in. High levels of Islamization that was coming in at that time which hadn't really existed before. And it definitely had an influence on how we were all parented. And I was talking to a friend recently, it's like, you we all had these liberal parents and suddenly they all became these really scared conservative parents. And We as teenage girls were you know the ones, you know girls are always the ones who are hit the hardest, proverbially hit the hardest.

In terms of being restrained in what we can do, what we can say, how we show up, how we behave, etc. So it's an Eastern cultural norm as well. And I think in Pakistan for sure, it was definitely enhanced during that time. So unfortunately, I was one of those girls who didn't fit into the good girl

mold. I wasn't the quiet, submissive, obedient teenage girl. I was kind of rowdy. I was rebellious. All of our friends were a bit, I call it dynamic but you know maybe been defined a little bit differently by other people. So there was this feeling of growing up with a bit of shame

because there was this overt sort of censorship or you know criticism of not you know being as respectful or as obedient or as quiet or as good girl, overtly good girl as one should be. And so I remember growing up with a lot of shame about myself and not being able to fit into this mold as I've described.

I carried that for a long time. And saw psychologists about it and I saw psychologists in Australia about it. And I never ever able to able to really let go of the shame.

And apart from the shame, it was feeling not good enough, low self-esteem, feeling like I'm not worthy, all of that kind of stuff. And it wasn't like I had ever done anything particularly bad. It was just we were in a very conservative time.

And  I just couldn't let go of it. And the psychologists as well were like, well, what are you ashamed about? And I'm like, well, it's hard to describe because there was cultural differences. They couldn't understand what I could be ashamed about  or have this low self-esteem. But I had immense low self-esteem and self-worth. And it defined

all of my life's decisions. It defined how I lived my life. It defined who I married. It defined why I married. It defined so many things. And I lived with it for most of my adult life.

And it was until really until I came across NLP that I was able to shed it and I was able to embrace all of me and fall back in love with that teenage girl who was dynamic and and opinionated, and individual, and courageous, and asserting her individuality and her sense of personess in an environment that wanted girls to disappear.

Kiran Prasad (09:53)
Yes,

I can relate. I come from a similar culture.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (09:55)
Yeah, yeah.

Exactly.

And childhood is defining, is a defining period of our lives. A lot of our unconscious beliefs, a lot of our conscious values, a lot of our unconscious programming, how we perceive ourselves, our lives, everything is made up from those, that period, especially zero to seven, which in NLP we call the imprint period, where we're just unconsciously incorporating the sense of

who we are and what it means to be a woman and what it means to be a man and all these values and culture is based on culture and family and all of this sort of stuff. And then the teenage years are again, extremely defining because it's at that point that you're kind of exploring who you are as a young woman or a young man or whatever it might be.

People think teenagers are you know rowdy and aggressive and all of that and yes they are. But they're also incredibly vulnerable because it's like a little seed of this sense of who am I growing and when you kind of shout down on it or you shut it down or you, or you, you know, you come down on it really hard, it does damage it.

And so most of us will live our lives carrying that as our identity. And we will live our lives, our entire life with it. But we don't have to. And the past does not have to define the present, and it absolutely does not have to define the future.

One of the things I say a lot in my trainings, is something I truly believe is that we're always self defining, we're self creating beings. We're not human beings, we're human becomings. ⁓ We are verbs and and we are fundamentally creating ourselves every moment and unconsciously we're recreating an old narrative, an old script.

But when we realize that, we can change We can create a brand new script. We can create a brand new sense of who we are, who we want to be. and then build that. And I think that's the greatest magic.

Kiran Prasad (12:01)
I love that! That's so fascinating.

That's it's so inspiring that we can, we can change that.

⁓ And so

Aliyah Mohyeddin (12:07)
Yeah.

Kiran Prasad (12:09)
What I want to move on to ask is that was there an unwanted change in your own life that drew you to NLP as a solution and what that pivotal point was? And we will go on to you explaining what NLP is as well after that. So was there such an unwanted change, pivotal moment?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (12:30)
There always is. You don't get into these things just like that. Exactly. And yes, There was actually. We were living in Dubai, my husband, myself, and our two children, and we were living the life. My husband had a great job. ⁓

Kiran Prasad (12:32)
Exactly.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (12:46)
We were living the life that everybody dreams of having living in a place like Dubai. We lived in the best part of town. We had great cars. We had fantastic holidays. We had all of the external trimmings that you know, people aspire to and think that, okay, well, I've got that. I'm living my best life. And I had all of that.

At the same time, I was so deeply, deeply unhappy and my relationships were shot to pieces. My husband and I were not getting along very well. ⁓

I had had a job I like to call it my previous life, but I used to be in media, as in journalism and I used to make documentaries. Wow! So when I  came to Dubai, I did have some friends over there. And people would say to me, friends who knew me from before, they said Aliyah what's happened to you? You're changed. I was like, I feel like, I was in such a deep depression. I said I feel like

Kiran Prasad (13:25)
Wow.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (13:45)
we're all born with a quota of words and I feel like I've used up mine. So I have nothing to say to anybody and I feel like I don't have the capacity to take on anybody else's either. So I don't have the capacity to hold anybody else's words.

Kiran Prasad (13:50)
⁓

Aliyah Mohyeddin (13:58)
And so I was in this really deep depression. I used to sleep all day. I used to wake up only in the morning so that the kids would know that they had a mother. And I'd drop them to school and then I'd come back and go back to sleep. And and I'd wake up to pick them up from school and bring them back and you know and the maid would do whatever she had to do and you know. And

it was the most vacuous, empty life that I've ever led. And when I look back on it now, I feel like this low humming self-worth, this low humming self-esteem that had that had run as an undercurrent throughout my life, sort of peaked over there.

Not overtly, but just that's where it kind of the boil burst. And so it burst in the form of depression. It burst in the form of  like, what am I doing? This, this life is meaningless to me and it feels meaningless. And I remember driving down the main highway, which is Sheik Zayed Highway. And I remember driving down there and one day and thinking in my sexy Jeep and thinking, you know, if I could just turn the wheel this way, I could end this pain. Cause I used have my blood pressure would always get like

Kiran Prasad (15:04)
Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (15:10)
super

high levels. And I could just end it right now. And the thought that came to me next was, well, I have kids, you know, and then I was like, the next thought after that was, well, they will move on, they're young, they will, I mean, okay, they'll miss their mother, but they'll move on. My husband would move on. I knew it would take him a heartbeat to move on. And, but the thought that came after all of that was that if I was to end everything now,

Kiran Prasad (15:12)
⁓ no.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (15:39)
there wouldn't even be a ripple of the fact that Aliyah ever existed. My life was so vacuous, was so superficial that whether I existed or whether I didn't made absolutely no difference to anyone. And I couldn't bear that.

Kiran Prasad (15:44)
wow.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (16:03)
I couldn't bear that that's how shallow my life was. And at the same time, I used to beat myself up because, there's this, you're living in a place like Dubai, that you know, there's a huge disparity. You can see the haves and the have-nots anyway. And then being part of the haves and having so much and more, it's like you should be full of gratitude.

And so there was this constant, not just this sense of shame of that I should be grateful and I'm not being grateful, but it was just chaos in my head. And but there was a sense of whether I lived or whether I didn't, there was just no there was no difference in the world to anybody or anything. And ⁓

Kiran Prasad (16:44)
Oh how sad.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (16:47)
Yeah, it is. And you know, where we as human beings are built for meaning, actually, and that's what I've learned. And I'll go into that as we move on. That's what gives us that's what gives life color is the fact that when we live life with purpose and we live life with meaning and people can have really difficult, challenging times and feel hopeful and feel grounded and feel, you know, like living life fully. And you can have people who have everything, who just

feel separated from life and have no meaning. It's because we're built for challenge. We're built to have meaning and purpose.

We made a decision, my husband was being transferred somewhere else. The relationship wasn't really working. And so we made a decision that I would move back to Australia with the children because we'd come from there. And that was another thing. I wanted my children to have the Australian lifestyle for all the, whatever the reasons were. And I want them to grow up in one culture. I didn't want them to be children who are traveling around too much.

And I left at a time,  went back to Australia, and it was a time when I was completely financially dependent on my husband. And I was also emotionally dependent on him. I didn't have a sense of my own individualism. I'd lost that along the way. ⁓ I had just taken on this identity, which many women do, of you know I'm a mother, I'm a wife, and that's it. That's it. That's all I am.

Kiran Prasad (18:14)
Mm-hmm.

Yep, yep. I'm

Nodding my head here relating to so much as a lot of women will be. especially women.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (18:19)
And so, Yeah, yeah. So many

So many women, and it's cross borders, it's cross cultural, it's every part of the world this happens. And in our part of the world, sadly, even more, because that's considered the height of what it means to be a meaning, what it means to be a woman, to get married, have kids. And so, 

Kiran Prasad (18:28)
Mm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (18:41)
I went back to Australia, I was really lost. I was also, I had a lot of fear in me. I had so much fear in me because I didn't know whether the marriage is gonna survive. I didn't know whether I was gonna have a husband tomorrow kind of thing. And I didn't know what I was gonna do because I was financially dependent on him and he is living on the other side of the planet. So was he even going to honor

the children and me. Now, this is not about him, He's a, he's an honorable guy. But I all of these fears and these are realistic fears. And I had all of these and I was sitting with a very close friend of mine and, you know, angels come in different shapes and she's mine. And and I was sitting and talking to her and I said, you know, I don't know what to do with my life. I don't need a psychiatrist, I don't need a psychologist because I know there's nothing inherently wrong with me. I just feel really lost. I feel

really stuck. I don't know what to do. I just need somebody to help me figure out what to do and then I'll do it. I can do stuff. I just don't know what it is. And so she said, well, you know, there is such a thing as life coaching. And I said, life coaching? What the hell? What does that mean? Life coaching? Someone teaching you how to live? And I said, with such sarcasm. And she goes, isn't that what you're asking, Aliyah? And I'm like,

I guess I am. That is what I am asking. It got me thinking, I started researching. I found an institute in Melbourne. I was living in Melbourne and I needed something that was, you know I could go to easily. I couldn't travel around the country. And so I found this institute. I signed up  pretty fast actually. That was one of the quickest decisions I've made. I signed up to become a coach, actually, because I had this two-way thinking I wanted

for myself and I needed a new career. I was aware of that. My media career, my journalism had died, I needed a new career. So I thought this is like killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. And in the process of that, I found NLP. To say that it changed my life is an understatement. It transformed my life.

And it didn't happen in one day. It didn't happen in one course. It didn't even happen by the end of finishing the training. But because of the trajectory, it enabled me to put myself on, I live on a different planet today.

I am a different person today. I can't even relate to that other version. I love her. I have so much compassion for her because I know she was trying to do her best. So I have a lot of love and compassion for her. But the Aliyah today is a different animal.

And I love Aliyah today. I'm proud of Aliyah today. And I love my life today with all its challenges. And do challenges stop? No, they don't. But  I believe challenges are our greatest gifts. ⁓ And so, yeah, that's kind of my story in a nutshell.

Kiran Prasad (21:41)
⁓ Oh wow. Honestly, Aliyah,

you are so inspiring. That's so inspiring. And I know from what I've seen, other interviews and research, you have such a way with words. I'm a wordsmith myself, And also just being willing to open up and you're showing vulnerability and honesty, which I think will help so many people not feel alone.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (21:49)
Thank you.

I really thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Kiran Prasad (22:08)
Because I think a lot of us go through some of the things you've mentioned. Yeah. So thank you for that. That will really help people.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (22:12)
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I

will add to that and it's a core value and that's why I will add to it. There have been times in my life, where I felt I really needed to find, to have people around me who understood.

Or who'd been there, who could guide me, who could hold space for me, or who could be my guiding light. Who could be my lighthouse. And they weren't there at that time.

And it felt very dark. And it's one of my core values, which is be the light for others. And, and, you know, if, if you've been on a journey and we share our journeys,

and if it resonates with anybody and maybe there's somebody who who is you know maybe where I once was and to be able to hear that yeah I'm not alone.

Kiran Prasad (23:03)
Yes.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (23:03)
Or

you

you know, there's hope or, you know, somebody else has been through it too and they got through it, so can I. And I, you know, we share our successes and we share our strengths and we share our.. the beautiful moments and that's nice, that's great. And I think it's also important to share, especially if you have achieved a level of success etc. It is important also in my opinion to share the vulnerabilities and share the times that make us all human and to know that it's okay.

We can all get there, you just keep going.

Kiran Prasad (23:34)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's what connects us yeah as human beings. I

love that and I believe in that. That's what I believe in doing as well, that shining that light when you've got out of the darkness yourself. Yeah. Now I'm sure people who are not familiar with NLP are wondering, what exactly is NLP? ⁓ If you can explain a bit about that.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (23:49)
Mmm.

Okay.

Yeah, well, I can explain it in two different ways.

Well the first, the first way I want to explain it is this. There was this time in Sydney, I was returning home from a training that I'd been conducting on NLP. And you know it's a long day, you've been talking all day, you've been engaging all day in the taxi, going home really tired. And of course I had to get one of those chatty taxi drivers. And so he was like, know, so, you what do you do? And, know, etc. And I'm like, oh my God, I don't want to talk. And my brain's kind of, you know has shut down for the day now.

So I'm trying to out of politeness blab away about kind what I do and what NLP is and he's listening to me and I was kind of you know not really even paying attention to what I was saying. And he goes oh wow that's amazing! So that's kind of like having a manual for your brain. And I immediately sat up and I'm like that's exactly what it is! That is a fantastic description. It's a manual for your brain.

And so what NLP essentially is, NLP stands for neuro-linguistic programming. And what it does is it looks at the interrelationship between what's happening neurologically for us in our mind, in our head, in our bodies, if you like, linguistically, the language we use, and the programming, which is our behaviors, our complex behaviors, as we call it, which is made up of all our beliefs, and values, and history, and what...

what influences us, and what's causing us to behave in certain ways, get the outcomes we get. And so they all interact with each other.

So our psychology will impact our behaviors and our language and our language will impact our psychology and our behaviors, and our behaviors will impact our language and psychology. So NLP fundamentally looks at how we create our reality. We're not really that interested in content, which is the story, our meaning making, because one of the definitions of NLP is a subjective experience of reality.

And when we go through, and I'm not going to go too much into the detail of the structures to just you know bore your audience, but  when we look at how people create their reality, because reality is not what you, it's not something concrete and outside of us.

We never experience reality or the external as it is. We experience it as we are. And so everything is a subjective experience. The way we are internally is going to influence how we experience something that happens externally.

And so the meaning or the content, as we call it, the story is we know as NLP people is just the, is something we call surface structure. It's just how somebody is making sense of something they've experienced. But we as NLP people want to look at what's underneath it. What are some beliefs that lie there? What are some values that lie there? what are some, the history that lies there that's causing them to have this meaning and behave in this way?

And so the magic of NLP fundamentally is that we we can can literally create the life we desire. We are not, we are not at the mercy of living the life we have necessarily, or life that we were destined to, or any of that. So living life on purpose versus on default, as I like to call it.

So essentially that's what NLP is. It's the manual for our brain. It's looking under the bonnet to understand what drives us, what's holding us back, and to be able to change every aspect of it if we want to and desire to.

Kiran Prasad (27:32)
you

That's very empowering, very empowering. So how exactly has it helped you? You mentioned it's helped you. You describe it as being a kind of an awakening for you, tell us a bit more about that.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (27:45)
Yeah.

So when I got into NLP, I didn't actually know about it. Never heard about it. It took me the ages to even pronounce it and remember what NLP stood for. And then, and again, it wasn't the immediate, I went, I did a training, I did practitioner, I did master, I did the whole diploma of coaching I did all of this sort of, all these other workshops as well. And it's, you rebuild yourself bit by bit. And so when I started, and this is just one example,

but I've got so many and I hope I can remember a few more. When I started, I didn't believe, one of the strongest limiting beliefs I had was that I was not capable of earning any kind of real money. Even though I had worked before, I always took the money I earned as play money.

And so my money was really there for, you know, using it for, you know, buying clothes or doing this or doing that. It wasn't really real. It wasn't something to take seriously because it wasn't really real money. My husband was the one who earned the real money. He was the one who earned money for the house, to buy a house or to rent a house or to buy these cars or to you know, to use in the supermarket for groceries or to go on holiday. That was real money.

Savings, that was real money. And here's the thing. One of the things I do in my coaching, especially with women, I always ask them about their beliefs and relationship with money. Because money, our relationship and beliefs around money is a very defining or is a mirror to how we perceive ourselves and beliefs about ourselves. And so  I had all of these very limiting beliefs around money.

And I never believed I was capable of earning enough real money on my own, of being able to be able to financially fund myself, etc., etc., etc. And that belief has disappeared. It does not exist anymore at all. And because of that also, I'm a different person.

I take myself seriously in a way that I didn't before. And I don't take myself seriously in a way I did before. And that sense of self-empowerment, that sense of personal agency, that sense of autonomy, that sense of being the master creator of my life and of my decisions and choices has changed. Because also my relationship with money has changed. I am

the mistress of my life. And I can back myself, I can choose to be me, I can be proud, I can have my own opinion irrespective of how how it may buck a system, because I can take care of myself. I can, no matter what happens, I am financially independent. I never thought I would be that! Even when I had a job before, I never thought I would be that.

I mean, that's one small example. It's a big one, actually, because it hits on identity. Another one is, I remember once we were, my children and I, we were sitting having dinner in Melbourne and the three of us were sitting there, we were laughing, having a great time together. And at some point, my daughter suddenly became really silent and I said, you all right? And she said, you know, mom,

you used to be such an angry person. And it broke my heart because I had obviously taken it out on them. And I remember I used to identify as an angry person. I remember that. And so I knew what she was talking about. And you know, anger is a scab. It's a bandaid emotion that we use to protect ourselves. And

it broke my heart that she said that, but it also gave me so much joy because she was also seeing something different. And and I you know I'm really blessed. I have an amazing relationship with my kids. You know, they enjoy being with me and  it is a no obligation relationship, that is how I like to see it. We enjoy spending time with each other. Um

It wasn't always like that. I was very much in mom mode at times. I was an angry disciplinarian, not really disciplinarian, but I was, I knew there was a lot of anger in me and anger is a scab, essentially. And I knew what is hiding under that anger. And once I was able to get rid of it, I didn't need that anger anymore.

So my emotional equilibrium is is transformed. Is transformed. And I just finished a training, it finished yesterday and one of the participants on the second last day or the last day or something said, you know but what if you end up becoming a different person with all of these learnings, but what if you're no longer you and you're a different person? I'm like, well, what does you mean? And  we're always

different, but also we're not. And, you know when we're sort of upgrading ourselves or when we're learning new capabilities, it's not like we're changing. It's not like I'm now suddenly, you know, I've grown two horns or I've, you know, a rose has transformed into a lily. That's not it. It's a case of I'm

Kiran Prasad (33:12)
Yeah.

Mm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (33:21)
I have more resources, I have more capabilities, and thus I have more capacity to have a much more resourceful relationship with my emotions, and thus have a much more resourceful relationship with myself, and thus a more resourceful relationship with others. So in a way, I'm showing up far more

as a best self version. I don't like to use the best version of yourself. It's kind of become so cliched. But in a way, that is what it is. And so today, the quality of the life I live is far greater than the one I used to live. There are more challenges, too, but there are higher quality challenges I'm dealing with. And  and so, yeah, I  wouldn't give it up for anything.

Kiran Prasad (34:11)
I love that again, your way with words and the anger as a scab. That's so great. And you mentioned your daughter. Now, can kids benefit from NLP too, I wondered? Did you teach it to your own kids?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (34:13)
Yeah.

Absolutely they can and  in fact we run NLP for teenagers and a lot of the people who've done our trainings either work in schools or are parents and use NLP with their kids and you know there's some people who work in schools have actually created programs as co-curricular for kids in their schools at really young ages too. Absolutely it works. Have I taught it to my kids? No.

Because kids are so contrary. So of course, if a mother tries to teach them something, they're like, don't do NLP with me, mom. You know. But but, I do believe, because they were you know, impressionable age at the time, they were in their you know pre-teens, early teens, I do believe they've picked it up through osmosis.

Some of the things they say to me, how we talk, their own awareness. And their own, I mean, they're incredibly wise for the age they're at. I absolutely was not like that when I was their age. And of course it's all them, but I hope also to some degree it's also some of the, maybe through osmosis, they picked up some stuff through me, I hope.

Kiran Prasad (35:39)
So yeah, you know, on that topic of kids, I mean, I watched TEDx Youth talk. I loved the

I love the whole thing, but especially the iceberg analogy of the conscious and subconscious communication. And I wondered how can we use subconscious communication to talk to the part of ourselves that's resisting change and get on board to a new, healthier future? How can we do that? So you might want to explain the analogy first of all. Yeah, the iceberg image, half of it

Aliyah Mohyeddin (36:12)
Yeah, Yeah yeah.

Kiran Prasad (36:15)
below the water or whatever part of it.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (36:15)
Well, Well, 95 % below water, which is the unconscious mind, and 5 % above water, above the water line, which is the conscious mind.

Kiran Prasad (36:28)
Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (36:28)
And so in a nutshell, our mind, which is different to our brain, our conscious mind is a goal setter and our subconscious mind is a goal getter. And so our mind, our conscious and unconscious mind, it works like a GPS machine.

You put in the coordinates of where you want to go and the that's the conscious mind and the computer in the background that figures out the route and the shortest distance is the subconscious mind.

And so that's essentially how our mind works. And so everything we are saying, everything we think, which is a conscious mind, our unconscious mind is picking it up and saying, OK, those are the coordinates I need to get to. And so we are always creating our reality

by the quality of our words, by the quality of our linguistics. And so if you want to change your life, change your language.

One of the things we say about the unconscious mind and everything happens at the unconscious level, by the way, it's 95 % of our programming or of our mind is unconscious. And so we say that, yeah, It absolutely is. And in a way, the conscious mind is the reflection of the unconscious and whatever the conscious mind is aware of, is it's already happened at an unconscious level. It's sort of the conscious mind is slower than the unconscious.

Kiran Prasad (37:40)
That's incredible.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (37:59)
But the old behavior is generated by our unconscious mind. And so whatever, like I was saying, whatever we say, whatever we think, our unconscious mind is going to take that on as a coordinates on where to go. And then it'll create that. Now, the unconscious mind also does not recognize a negative.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (38:26)
Often people come to me and they say, well, you know, I'm really anxious, so I don't want to feel anxious anymore. I don't want to feel angry anymore. I don't want to be scared anymore. And the core. when we say things like that, the coordinates are the subconscious mind will remove the don't and we'll keep going there. And so the the the destination or the coordinates for being confident, happy, joyful,

are very different to the coordinates for not being unhappy or not being anxious or not being angry. And so the language we use is really, really critical because most people language in the negative and then they question why they keep creating the same issue or experiencing the same issue over and over and over again. It's fundamentally because they're giving the wrong coordinates or the wrong languaging or the wrong destination to their subconscious mind.

Kiran Prasad (39:21)
So true, we do do that. Like, I don't want this. Why is this happening to me?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (39:24)
Yeah absolutely.

So  in NLP, what we, and in coaching, what we say is you want to language it as you want it. And there's another thing we have that if you can language it, you can have it. So one of the first things I do in my trainings and my coaching is to pay attention to how people are communicating. What kind of language are they using? Are they using what we call enabling and enabled language or are they using disenabling language of things they don't want?

Kiran Prasad (39:39)
Mm-hmm.

So is it basically, let's use positive language?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (39:59)
Positive language can often mean just saying, oh I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. When you're not feeling good. And that creates what we call cognitive dissonance.

Kiran Prasad (40:06)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (40:11)
Right? I mean, I am happy. Everything's fine. I'm great, I'm great, I'm great. And you're feeling terrible inside. That's what we call toxic positivity. It makes you feel worse because there's no congruence with how you're feeling and what you're saying. And but you're you're expected to say that because that's how it doesn't work that way. This is a little bit different. This is actually helping people to enabling them to think about

Kiran Prasad (40:18)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (40:33)
how do they want to feel instead? If they're feeling all these negative things, how would they like to be feeling instead? If they're having a terrible relationship, what kind of relationship would they like to have instead? Or they're not achieving, not succeeding, you know, maybe they're failing. What do they want instead? And when we start helping them create language around it,

we're basically giving the subconscious mind totally different coordinates. It's the example of getting in a car and going for a drive and saying, hey, where should we go for a drive? Like, oh, I don't really care, but, you know, just not near the airport area because it's a real rush there. And like, oh, and then you sort of invariably end up in those types of places like, I didn't want to come here. Why was I here? Because that's the only we gave. So our mind works in exactly the same way with

Kiran Prasad (41:03)
Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (41:26)
with everything.

Kiran Prasad (41:28)
Yeah, it'll give us what we don't want if we keep focusing on what we don't want. Yeah.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (41:32)
Yeah. And so we say, you know,

if you can language it, you can have it. What you focus on is what you get.

Kiran Prasad (41:37)
Yeah. Okay.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (41:39)
The other thing when we when we are when there's a part of us inside that is stuck, most of us tend to try and separate ourselves from that side of us that's stuck or that side of us that we feel is sabotaging us or any of those versions, right. And in fact, that side has a very strong positive intention.

It is there for our well-being. It might be doing it in a way that we don't feel is serving us. But if we can befriend it, if we can acknowledge its positive intention and recognize what that positive intention potentially is,

because invariably these stuck parts of us, they're touching on core needs, core values, things that are deeply unconsciously important to us and also to keep us safe. And most of us, we get even more stuck when we're fighting within ourselves with these parts, so to speak. But when we can acknowledge and recognize, OK, you know, I know you have the positive intention for me. What is it?

And then, and we have a lot of, you know, a lot of NLP techniques that actually work with exactly this kind of stuff where you can connect with these unconscious parts and recognize what positive intentions there are and, find more resourceful ways to achieve that positive intention to, to, to eliminate the sabotage, to eliminate that disconnect and enable us to be able to move more fluidly and more congruently in the direction we actually desire.

Kiran Prasad (43:15)
Great. And I think we're going to move on to hearing some of those techniques. So, so if someone is so overwhelmed by change and I've been in that position myself, I'm sure we, lot of us have, and you get into that literally shut down mode, you know, therapists might call it like the freeze mode, the fight, flight, freeze, and fawn that we have that kind of  shut down.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (43:18)
Yeah.

Yeah. All of us have.

Kiran Prasad (43:42)
Then, what is one simple five minute NLP tool they can use to move forward from feeling paralyzed to taking some action? And I just want to give an example of that in my own life is, not too long ago, I, I had to just rush out of my apartment, move out of there because I'd got mold.

It had been tested and there were severe amounts very dangerous amounts, and it was affecting my health. I literally had to get out of there as fast as I could. And I remember I had no idea I wouldn't be coming back to that home. It was too unhealthy for me. I tried to pack a hand luggage of just a few things. And I remember my mind was so shut down, I literally, I couldn't even pack a bag.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (44:23)
Wow.

Kiran Prasad (44:35)
 I couldn't function. I just threw whatever the heck in there. And then after that, also, I was in a freeze mode. This totally changed my life. I had to toss most of my belongings out, my furniture, my clothing got destroyed. But yeah, this shut down mode. So what is a simple technique?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (44:56)
Yeah, I mean, that's a really, really good question. And here's the thing, in the world we live in today, it happens more often than not. Where we will experience that sense of overwhelm many times in our life. And the secret is how to deal with it.

Now when overwhelm happens, when we go into this fight flight freeze mode,  often what's happening is we are looking at whatever the situation we're in, whatever we have to deal with, we look at it as  just one big chunk. And that can be too much to deal with sometimes.

And so we go into freeze mode or overwhelm, whatever it is. And if we can break it down, that's the first thing, if you can break it down it enables momentum. Now there's this one concept, it's not really a technique, it's a concept, which is not really also NLP per se. I think it's...

name,  Stephen Covey who came up with it. To give credit where it's due. Is this concept of being a circle of influence and circle of concern. Now, all of us have this huge circle of concern. So

the example you gave of mold in your house, was there anything you can do about the mold or the mold happening? Probably nothing, right? How did it make you feel? Powerless, right? We're in a world today where, you know, don't really know what's going on. You know people talk about, you know, is there gonna be next World War or whatever? How does it, is there anything we can do about it? No.

Kiran Prasad (46:23)
Mm-hmm. Powerless.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (46:40)
And how does it make one feel? Often it'll make one feel hopeless and helpless and fearful. And so we have all of these things, we this huge, what we call a huge circle of concern. There's all these things that are happening in our life around us, to us, relationships, partners, children, whatever.

And then that triggers the fight flight freeze. Right, our amygdala, which is our reptilian brain is just firing off and we go into just very basic programming at that point. In this huge big circle of concern with all this stuff in it,

is a very small circle in the middle. called a circle of influence. And the circle of influence in any situation is, okay, well, what's within my circle of influence right now? So as an example, you said that, you you found out that your apartment had lots of mold in it. And so within your circle of influence, it was to move out.

Right? But the moment you start doing stuff,

then that creates the momentum enables one to feel more hopeful or more a little bit more in control. I mean as a small example, during COVID, you know, I was  my children were living in Australia, Australian borders were closed, and I lived very far from them. And my my thought before COVID was always, well, it's fine, because I can get to Australia if I need to, they're adult kids, still, mean, teens, late teens, adult kids. And but if I need

to get to Australia, I can be there within 24 hours. And so that gave me a lot of peace. That's fine. I trust them. They're old enough, mature enough to look after themselves and you know do whatever they're doing. But if I need to be there, I can be there in less than 24 hours. And then COVID happened and Australia shut its borders. And the level of anxiety I felt because of that, because even if I wanted to go, I couldn't. And

and I remember that sitting one day, was watching TV and you know, as we were meant to do, just sit at home and watch TV. And I felt this and this thought came that if something happened to my kids, I couldn't get there even if I tried. And this severe panic attack, sort of, I felt it rising within me. To the point where I felt it was going to choke me. And so that was my circle of concern. And the next thought that came was, what do I do? And I said, you know what? I'm going to go and bake a cake.

Kiran Prasad (48:54)
Okay.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (49:05)
And so it's got nothing to do with anything. But I got up out of that chair and I went and baked a cake. Did anything really change? No. But the way I felt did. And thus, whatever I did afterwards was more resourceful. And so what the circle of influence is, is a space within any space where you are feeling overwhelmed, you're basically focusing on your circle of concern. There is

Kiran Prasad (49:20)
Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (49:32)
always, always, always a small circle of influence. It's like, okay, what's within my influence right now? And maybe it's like, you know what, I'll go for a walk, or maybe I'll take this step or that step. And the moment we do that, we feel the emotional state changes, we feel a little bit more in control, we feel a lot more emotionally regulated.

And then what that does is it takes us out of fight, flight, freeze. Amygdala calms down, and we're now being able to use the parts of our brain that are more evolved for more creative thinking. And so NLP fundamentally is the study of success, like why are some people super successful and others not, and how do we model success. And all people who aren't successful or who are struggling are

primarily focussed on the circle of concern. And so what it does is it breeds greater levels of helplessness, hopelessness, fear, etc. And all successful people, without fail, enable

momentum, success, etc. in their lives because they're primarily focused on their circle of influence. No matter what happens, they're like, okay, well, what's within my circle of influence right now? And that little shift of thinking has a massive impact on quality of life and sense of feeling empowered in your own life.

Kiran Prasad (51:04)
So getting yourself out of that mode. A five minute walk or a five minute, whatever, so physically doing something.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (51:13)
Yeah, call a friend, something proactively like, I've got all of this to do. How am going to do it? What's within my circle of influence? You know what? I'm going to just finish this draft right now and I'm not going to worry about anything else.

And when we do that, we just feel a little bit more empowered. You feel like you have a bit more of a handle on things.

It's training our mind

to be able to use it in the way it's meant to be used. That's one of the things I say in my training is that we have such a powerful machine within us and ⁓ most people, if you don't know how to use it, it's like an out of control sports car, it'll actually crash. If you don't know how to drive a really strong sports car, it'll crash.

But if you know how to drive, if you can take control of it, I mean, it can do stuff that most other cars can't. Our mind is the same thing.

Kiran Prasad (52:07)
Great, great, thank you.

this leads straight into my next question. What are some other NLP techniques or exercises that can be beneficial for us when we're going through unwanted change?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (52:22)
One of the first things to keep in mind, unwanted change or any type of change,

creates levels of anxiety within us because we search for familiarity, something that we know feels safe. Even though it might be really toxic relationship, it feels safe because it's familiar. And so the subconscious mind craves familiarity for the sake of safety.

Kiran Prasad (52:49)
Mm-hmm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (52:49)
And

so the first thing is to realize that. When we're going through periods of change, periods of transition, I mean, I won't say they're techniques as such, it's more the overarching way of thinking. And it is very much, we have a saying in NLP that the mind body is one system. When we are in high states of change, you do want to listen to both.

Because the brain might be running really, really fast and the body might be feeling exhausted. And so you want to be able to listen to both.

Another thing that's really important when you are going through a lot of change, it's something we call outcome thinking versus problem thinking. It's sort of connected to what I spoke about earlier, but most people will think in terms of problems.

But if we can transform and change how we think into outcome orientation, which is outcome thinking, what do I want? ⁓ What's the purpose of this conversation? What's the outcome I want to achieve from this conversation? What's the outcome I want to achieve from whatever it is? The moment we start thinking like

stimulates the more it stimulates the more developed parts of our mind. When we're in change, we often think about things in problem states or what if this happens, what if that happens, then we go into fight, flight, freeze a lot more. And so it's really important in moments of change to language things as we want them.

Kiran Prasad (54:18)
Okay.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (54:27)
Right? Because most people are going to language things in terms of fear of oh my God, what if that happens? Or something negative happens? You know, the subconscious mind doesn't recognize a negative and what you focus on is what you're going to get. And so in times of change, it's really important to be able to sit down, calm yourself through meditation, through breathing exercises, whatever it might be, and then think about, okay,

hey, what is it that I want through this period or on the other side? One of the things I tell a lot of people in our trainings are that, know, that the challenges that come our way and change is a form of a challenge, are gifts from the universe for opportunities of growth. And that version of us, we are capable of growing into and really that's what life's journey is to kind of self-actualize in some form.

They only happen through challenge. And here's the thing with change. You when change happens and you were saying a little while ago, you know, that, you know the house had all this mold and you had throw all of this stuff out. And it can feel really, really traumatic and challenging. At the same time, in a way, that's a gift from the universe because you're literally shedding the old.

And the moment we shed the old, it allows for new to come in. And how we experience the external is also how we experience the internal. So one of the things that I tell people, especially when they're going through challenges

and they're feeling overwhelmed, it's like go through your home, go through your cupboards, go through your bathrooms, your toiletries and shed stuff you don't need. Get rid of, yeah.

Kiran Prasad (56:09)
I'm a huge believer of that! Huge

believer of that.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (56:12)
Get

rid of clutter. And you will find as you do that, there's space that starts opening up inside as well. There's space in terms of intellectual thinking, in terms of emotional space  opens up inside of you as well. And so moments of change to harness the power of that is to recognize that this is a growth waiting to happen.

And every single time we lean into that change or that challenge, and we go through it, when we look back at that, we're like, OK, well, you know, yeah, it was hard, but I got through it. And it doesn't feel as overwhelming as it did before we went through it.

The problem is most people go into their comfort zone, which very quickly becomes one's cave of misery. And so whenever challenges come, they just feel so much bigger and so much more unsurmountable. But if we can roll with it, figure it out as we go along,

that's where our nervous system is what we call upgrading and developing. That's when we're developing the skill sets and the capability, the emotional, the intellectual, the spiritual, the physical capability to deal with whatever it is.

What I'm really saying is, okay there's a situation, right? There's a lot of stuff in our circle of concern that we can't control. That's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it. It's about coming from circle of influence. And then it's like, okay what's fear?

We make up these catastrophic, you know, stories in our mind when we're in a state of change of some sort, right? But really, all fear fundamentally is,

is that I don't know yet. I haven't yet developed the capability. That's all it is. And we cannot develop the capability

Kiran Prasad (57:58)
I love that.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (58:03)
Until we lean in and fumble through even. That's okay. But as long as we do it, some people will go into, like I said, into their comfort zone, which is their cave of misery, and life becomes very narrow. Yeah.

Kiran Prasad (58:15)
love that expression. I love how you

Aliyah Mohyeddin (58:18)
When people are in overwhelm, when they're dealing with life changing situations maybe many years marriage has broken down, loss of people, loss of job, there's so much uncertainty. ⁓ And...

Kiran Prasad (58:32)
Mm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (58:34)
and often it will be blindsided by it happens just suddenly. And in that moment, it's important to kind of take a breath, first of all, is to acknowledge it, that I'm feeling this. I'm fearful of this. I don't know what to do yet. And then it's like, OK, and giving yourself that space to just breathe.

Kiran Prasad (58:49)
Yes.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (59:02)
And then it's like, OK, what is one small thing I can do to help myself right now? Again, coming from circle of influence, that one small thing may sound so irrelevant, but that one small thing is that little whisper from inside

telling you that one step. Because that one step, if you take it, then it'll enable that next step and then that next step and that next step. And that one small step, even if it means breathe, even if it means go outside and look at the scenery, whatever it might be, is a critical moment of realigning into equilibrium again.

And then there are also some techniques. So for example, we have a technique called anchoring, right? It's like stimulus response. can anchor the state of confidence, joy, happiness, all of these states that are resourceful states that we'd like to be in. And so when we may be going into overwhelm or stress or whatever, we can actually literally press on our anchor and it can

be what we call a physical anchor. We press a part of our body and we feel those feelings. It can be a song that can take us into or something auditory that can take us into that creating that state within us. It can be something visual. Maybe we have a vision board or something or some kind of visual that brings us back to ourselves or releases, you know, feelings of joy, happiness, confidence, whatever it is that we want. So we can use things like anchoring to enable us to change our emotional state very, very quickly.

There's also something we call reframing. And a reframe is literally changing our perspective of how we look at it and how we language it. So how can we reframe all of this into...

into a way that may be a little bit more empowering and helpful towards us versus the previous language which is actually not helping us at all but actually hurting us. So for example, there's a massive change happening and from every angle right now in this catastrophic thinking we're like, you know what, this is not, there's nothing positive, I can't find anything positive out of it.

But if you give yourself that space and the reframe of whatever it might be, can be, this is an opportunity for me to  discover aspects about myself. This is an opportunity.... And whatever you want to add after that, will be more empowering for the mind. And thus

Kiran Prasad (1:01:28)
Mm.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (1:01:30)
how we approach something. And the moment that our linguistics has a direct impact on our emotional state, the neuro. And so when we have catastrophic thinking and catastrophic languaging,

it dials ourselves, so to speak, with high levels of cortisol, stress hormones, and we go into fight, flight, freeze. But if we can language it in a way that enables us to feel better, and it'll actually make us feel better and it'll have an emotional shift inside.

Kiran Prasad (1:02:02)
That sounds great. Yeah. It would be so helpful to a lot of people. So can NLP help people rediscover purpose after the losses they may face after an unwanted change? And if so, how?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (1:02:18)
Absolutely. I mean that's what NLP is all about. It's about reconnecting to self. We can use the capabilities in any area of our lives. We can use it personally, we can use it professionally and in any It's a meta skill, so to speak. Now...

that's exactly what our trainings are about, helping people to rediscover themselves, develop a connection back to themselves, find that higher purpose of what drives their passion and connects into that sense of internal meaning.

And so it absolutely does because what NLP does is it enables us to understand ourselves better. What's going on under the bonnet? What's going on with these emotions? What's going on with this thinking? What are its internal needs? What's going on with this behavior? And then it's like, okay, well, languaging it as we want it, reframing, and then discovering within all of that, that purpose

of why we're here in the first place, because here's the thing. We're not actually human beings having spiritual experiences. We're spiritual beings having a human experience. We're here for more.

And as we lean in and recognize that, think what NLP really did for me anyway, is it made me realize that every challenge that I'd faced was that opportunity for growth. And if I was to look back on my life, there isn't one thing that I would do differently because all of it enabled me to grow into the version of myself I'm more and more proud of and love more and more every single day.

Kiran Prasad (1:03:54)
Ah that's beautiful. Yeah. If you could go back Aliyah and speak to your younger self, what would you say to her now?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (1:03:57)
Yeah.

You know, I've often thought about this and depending on my mood, they're different things I would say. I was a little bit of a rebel. I don't think I took life that seriously. I don't think I was particularly mature  in a way that I wish I had been sometimes. But I think what I would tell her is really believe in yourself. You've got all the resources you need.

You're going to be kick ass. You're going to live your life well. It's an adventure. Have fun with it. Lean into life. You're going to love it. And you're going to be proud of the person you become. And trust that.

Yeah, and I love that little girl today. There's been a long time that I've been pushing her away and I wish she'd done this and I wish she'd done that. I wish I'd been more serious. I wish I'd been this. I wish I'd been whatever. But you know what,

through NLP, I've been able to discover she actually had all of those ingredients of passion and curiosity and excitement and her own uniqueness. And we get socialized out of it. And today I honor that uniqueness. And I love that little girl today. I didn't always, but I love her today. And I think that's the greatest gift we give ourselves is to love the version we are because we are the gift. We are our own magic.

Kiran Prasad (1:05:20)
Yeah.

So many people have such difficulty doing that, yeah. And it's NLP that you credit having helped you get there. Now, Aliyah, if people would like to contact you and learn more about your classes because you know,, you've just touched on these things and you can really delve deeper. How can they do that?

Aliyah Mohyeddin (1:05:34)
Yeah.

So, we are on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram,  under my name, Aliyah Mohyeddin

and also my company, Dynamic Communications Consulting. They can find us our website which is, www.dynamiccommunications.com.au and that has all the information there as well. I'm very present on social media, my company is very present on social media. If you type in my name, I will spring up in some form or another.

Kiran Prasad (1:06:15)
I can put that in the show notes as well. I can write that in there as well.

Aliyah Mohyeddin (1:06:17)
Absolutely. And in fact,

And all Most of our trainings and NLP trainings, and we do many others as well, are all hybrid trainings. So we have people who can attend it in the room or online from anywhere in the world.

Kiran Prasad (1:06:30)
Oh that's great. So people from the US as well, wherever they are. That's wonderful because...

Aliyah Mohyeddin (1:06:32)
Yeah. Yeah. And we regularly

have people from Europe, North America, all over the place, Australia, everywhere we have people attending.

Kiran Prasad (1:06:43)
Well, Aliyah, thank you so much for your time. I know you're such a busy woman. Thank you so much for being here.

I want to thank you listeners as well. I hope this episode has inspired and empowered you to transform your life. I mean learning from someone who's very inspiring herself, she's turned her life around so beautifully.

And if you know of anyone who could benefit from learning about NLP, please share this episode with them too. See you next time!