From Survival Mode to Calm Confidence: Healing Burnout Through Mindfulness with Katherine Chestnut

This week on Morning Tea with Coach Kennedy, I sit down with mindfulness and meditation teacher, author, and breath work guide Katherine Chestnut for a heartfelt conversation about what it really means to stop surviving and start living.

After spending years in the corporate world and enduring an emotionally abusive relationship, Catherine shares how mindfulness, meditation, and nervous system healing helped her reconnect with herself and rebuild her life from the inside out.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Good morning everybody. Today is Friday, July 31st, 2026. And this is your morning tea with Coach Kennedy. Last week, we learned how to break generational curses with Bishop Kevin Foreman. This week we're going to learn how to break another cycle of sorts with Catherine Chestnut. Stay tuned. Today's guest is Catherine Chestnut, who is a mindfulness and meditation teacher and author. Catherine helps people who have been holding it together for too long stop running on empty and build calm confidence for real life. Hi, Catherine. How are you today?

SPEAKER_00 1:52

I am fabulous, Coach Kennedy.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

I am good. I am glad to hear that you are fabulous. I'm so glad that you could join us today. Thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Always happy to always happy to talk to somebody new.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Would you like to tell the audience about yourself and how you found your path to becoming a mindfulness and meditation teacher?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

So it was years in the making. I would say decades. But the the short, the long and short of it is having come from a corporate background and being a part of the C-suite and in very high-powered positions, and then going through my own crisis, I needed to step back and find the ways to connect with the things that I had been ignoring, the things I was feeling, that I was absolutely not allowing myself to feel. And during that process, I found that I wasn't the only one who was going through this, and I wanted to help more people, and that inspired me to move in this direction.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

What were some of the things that you were feeling that you were not allowing yourself to feel?

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Well, right before all of this really came together, I was in an emotionally abusive relationship with a covert narcissist. I was married to him for 11 years. And on the outside, I had the perfect marriage, I had the perfect family, I had the perfect job. Everything was perfect. And when it all started to fall apart, people were looking at me and going, what is going on? You have it all together. And I'm like, no, actually, I was feeling all the things, like something was broken. I knew something was broken, and I knew I was being manipulated and gaslit, and I knew all of that, and I was feeling it, but I didn't know I didn't know what to do about it. I tried to do the things that were logical and the because I, you know, being in the corporate world for 30 years, it's all very logic driven. And those things can't help you when you are in that space. You have to let go of that very tightly. Now, when I say tightly gripped, I mean the death grip I had on keeping it all together and making it look great. And I had to let it go and let things come to a crisis and fall apart. And then I was able to start feeling that discomfort and that abuse that I inside me knew was going on, but wasn't willing to accept.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Yeah, that is that is so powerful. That that death grip that you were mentioning, I can totally relate to that. Being with a covert narcissist is not easy. And escaping or ending their relationship with them is, I think, harder than even being with them because the death grip is so strong that for me it would it's it it affects your nervous system so bad so badly, and it's actually the healing of the nervous system that allows us to let go, and until our nervous system is is healed enough to let go, we can't. It's impossible to let go, I feel.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

So I I have to agree with you, but at the same time, because and I let me back up a second. You know, when you're with a covert narcissist, first off, you know, I was there for 11 years. You don't actually realize it because it's so subtle.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Yes, they trick you into thinking that they're the perfect person, that they can match your energy, and then when they get you where right where they want you, that's when the mask starts to fall.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Well, it wasn't even that he wanted to take my energy and my success in the corporate world to learn from, and it was very draining. Once he started to do that, and you know, you're you're married, you're trying to support your spouse, be supportive, and and say, Oh, of course, you're doing great, honey, and all of that. And then, you know, my discomfort personally, I didn't know what to do with, but I was really clear about my work, and that was where I really got my confidence. And then somehow or other, I let him talk me into leaving corporate life to stay at home and take care of my daughter, which I was fine with because I wanted to spend more time with her, but at the same time, it made me more vulnerable and more dependent on him, which again is a way of controlling. And I didn't actually see any of that when it was going on because you just don't, and I liken being with a covert narcissist to kind of like water torture or like the frog in the pot of boiling water, you don't feel it, you don't know it. It's just drip, drip, it's it just erodes at your self-esteem, and you start to doubt everything that you're doing. And it, you know, when I was working, I could throw myself into that to get my energy and to build myself up. But when I didn't have that, it just went really quickly downhill, and that was when the mask started to slip. And again, I'm trying to fix it because we had the perfect marriage, perfect family, perfect house, perfect everything. And being told that I was the problem also didn't help. But I'm trying to fix it, and I couldn't fix it, and it eventually came to a big crisis, and that was when everything blew up, and yeah, and then I had to recover, and then I went back to all the things that I knew I needed to do to take care of me, my mindful journaling, my meditation, all those things that I had put aside for years because they were frowned upon at home as being woo-woo. And once I started doing those things again, I started to come back to myself. It took a while, not gonna lie. It took a long time, but I felt myself coming back drip by drip.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

That is a beautiful analogy. Coming back drip by drip. Yes. I I can relate to that so well. What does survival mode actually look like in everyday life? And why do so many capable people stay stuck there without realizing it?

SPEAKER_00 10:50

Well, it all comes down to doing. People used to ask me, what do you do? And I say, I get shit done. It wasn't that this is my job, this is my role, my title. It was 24-7 getting it done. And it's tangible, and that's why we stay there. It's very tangible to we're not human doings, right? We're human beings. And I remember the first time I heard that, and I was like, wow, that's right. But for me, there was safety in doing, which is why we stay there, because uh we get praise for doing, we get rewarded for doing, and we get loved for doing. And one of my love language is service. So doing things for my loved ones and the people I care about, again, back to the doing. If I do this, I'll be loved. And that's why we get stuck there, because it's easier than just being, because when we just when we're just being, then we have all the stuff come up. All the stuff that came up from our childhood, or our self-criticism, or you know, you know, not taking care of our nervous systems because we are in survival mode. It's exhausting. It is exhausting, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

I don't I don't know exactly how many years I've been in survival mode. And for me, the thing that made me realize that I was just that in survival mode was my betrayal slash heartbreak. That it cracked me open and it made me realize just what the fuck I was missing in my life, and that I really did deserve to be treated way better than what I was doing, being treated. And the saddest thing about it is that they were aware that they were doing it to me. And they said, Oh, well, it's just how I am, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, and I, and I, and I kind of for like the longest time, I'm like, okay, well, it's fine because hurt people, hurt people. And they're hurting. And so maybe if I can just heal my wounds and quote unquote lead by example, then it might show them, hey, it's okay to be vulnerable. It's okay to heal these ugly parts of you, these broken wounds of you. And I will be supportive of you because look, I'm doing it. So come on, baby, let's do this. And he absolutely refused to do it. And ta-da! Now I'm like, okay, and I had to actually rebuild myself. And, you know, it kind of listed me into my coaching because when I was learning how who I am into my core, then I'm like, I want to teach people this. And I also want to teach people how to avoid what the hell I've just been through because this is god-awful. Nobody fucking deserves this shit ever. No matter how shitty of a person you are. You do not deserve to be treated like a piece of human garbage left on the wayside. I don't give a shit what you do. So, kudos for you for getting away from that and making something beautiful out of your pain. You were mentioning our nervous system. What role does our nervous system play in burnout decision making and emotional control? And why don't we talk about it enough?

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Well, I think when we when we talk about our nervous system, it feels very it doesn't feel grounded for a lot of people. They aren't super clear about like, well, what does that mean? What does it mean to regulate my nervous system? And it isn't until we start doing the the work that we start to actually feel the difference in our nervous system. So sitting with our discomfort and let it instead of like shoving it down gives us the ability to see what needs attention. And it takes courage to stay in that place. And you were saying that there was something that you said about if I heal myself, then I lead by example, or if I heal myself, then the people around me will treat me better and respect me better because I'm not respecting myself. And while there might be some truth in that, I like to say put it such like I tolerated the intolerable. And when I woke up, and I'm not saying literally, but when I had self, when I became self more self-aware, there was a huge dissociation between me and what I was doing and what I was feeling and what was being said. And again, that comes down to the nervous system and allowing ourselves to sit with that discomfort, that anxiety, that shame, because I felt a lot of shame around, oh, if I'm a failure because my marriage is failing. You know, I took it all on myself, which we have a tendency to do. But when we sit with that discomfort, we're honoring our feelings and our nervous system by shedding a light on it. We are honoring ourselves and allowing ourselves to be exposed and vulnerable words and all.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yes, words and all. And being vulnerable, I found, is it's scary because it can either go really, really good or it could go really, really bad. It's just a gamble that you're gonna have to take. But either way, vulnerability is what connects us as human beings, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

So it that is the depth, that is where we get the depth of connection because we can have surface connection, but until we're vulnerable enough to share what we're feeling, it's all gonna be surface.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Exactly. What are some subtle signs someone is running on empty, even though they're still functioning and performing well?

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Just being exhausted at the end of the day, just feeling like you're on all the time, and there are parts of that that are very gratifying because, again, like I said, I got things done, and that felt very empowering and very gratifying, and again, praised and rewarded for that, but at the same time, you know that there's not a balance, you know that I need to be taking care of myself, and yeah, you can go to Pilates three or four times a week and do that, and that can still be performative.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Yeah, thank you. It can because you're not taking care of your emotional self, the emotional self and your spirit is so I I feel is actually more the most important part that we need to be taking uh care of, and then the physical part, because if you're not taking care of yourself emotionally and mentally and spiritually, you can't do physical. You're it's gonna lead to burnout, exactly. Right. Why if someone knows all the right things to prevent to prevent burnout, why do smart driven people still be stuck in that mode of birth being burnt out?

SPEAKER_00 21:20

It's addictive. It really is. It's again going back to the you're getting promoted, you're getting rewarded, you're getting praised, all of those things make us feel really good about ourselves. And to admit that there's something inside that is missing, or something that feels uncomfortable. Well, that place doesn't feel as good. So, and I want to feel good, right? I want to feel good, so I'm gonna go do the things that make me feel good and the things that I know I can accomplish because then that way I just keep feeling good. I don't want to look at that stuff that's not so not so fun.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Yeah. Talking about uh things that make you uncomfortable, it's not fun, but I feel like it's a part of it's necessary in a nutshell, in order for real growth to happen. Why do you feel like willpower um stops people from being able to continue on with you know their healing journey? Why do you think people are lacking willpower to press on?

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Oh, I don't think it's about willpower. I think it's about wanting to feel good. It comes back to that. It's wanting to feel good about ourselves and when I am feeling empowered and very what do I want to strong and powerful and good. It makes it easier to put those things that I might be doing, but I'm only doing them because I should. Ugh, evil word, should. I'm only meditating because I should. Well, then it becomes a task. And it's just another task on your list of things to do every day. And again, it comes, it becomes performative, and we're just doing it because it's on the list of things that we need to do. But if something happens and something has to go and we have to prioritize, well, what's gonna come first? Work, family, we got to take care of our kids. We, you know, like if something gives, what happens is the things that we do to take care of ourselves go first. Every time.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Why do you feel that is? Why do you feel like we're not cutting out the physical things first and then because sometimes we can't see a way out.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

I couldn't see a way out, and I couldn't fit another thing into my day. You know, it's like trying to put five pounds of shit in a 10 or 10 pounds of shit in a five-pound sack. Right? There's I got myself in that cycle. And it was always somebody asks for help, of course I'm gonna help you. Or I'm at work and they say, Oh, we have this new project, or this new RFP that we have to work on, or you know, it's gonna take extra. Well, that's my livelihood. That's how I pay my mortgage, or my kid needs help. You know, I gotta drive my kid to choir and dance and this, that, and the other. Well, we gotta take care of our kids. We have responsibilities. So using those responsibilities is our excuse for avoidance.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

You know, I never really looked at it that way before. Responsibilities are our excuse for avoidance. That makes sense. It really, really does, because a lot of times I've been wondering to myself, why the hell do I keep pushing myself so hard when I know that I sh, I'm gonna use that evil word, as you said, should be resting. I should be taking a pause right here. I should be kinder to myself, etc. etc. And I'm just like, no, because shit needs to get done. You know that it has to get done, and la la la la la la la. And then I'm just oh yeah, you're right. And I just I choose that physical activity, and I do my self-care goes by the wayside every single time. So that is a very interesting factor that you pointed out there. You talk about calm confidence for real life. What does that actually mean? And how is it different from just being calm and being confident?

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Well, I used to be calm, outwardly facing, but the chaos inside, you weren't seeing any of that. And confidence, again, the whole like fake it till you make it kind of thing, it only will get you so far. But calm confidence comes from a place where we're stable and we can be quiet and just be, just be a human being, and when we come from that place, it's easier, the energy that we exude actually affects the people around us. So when we have calm confidence and we're and we've got a team to lead, or you have people working for you, or doesn't matter, or even working with your you know, kids, kids will call bullshit any day. They know what's going on, they feel that energy that you may be calm on the outside but chaotic on the inside, they feel it, they know it, and so do people around you. They may not consciously know it, but when you can be in that place of calm, the difference for me between now and eight years ago, ten years ago, fifteen years ago is huge, huge because I am calm, literally calm on the inside. There isn't chaos going on. That's not to say that I don't have my moments of anxiety and frustration and anger, because I do, but I'm more aware of those moments than I ever was before. And when you have that awareness, then you have the tools to come back to the things that are going to make you calm and let you be, let you feel what's going on, and look them right in the eye and say, I see you, I feel you, and you can keep keep on keep on moving. Because emotions aren't supposed to sit in our body. When they sit in our body, that creates more chaos.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Yeah, it not only creates more chaos for us, but it can when emotions stay on our body, it gets stored in our joints. And like it can cause back pain, hip pain, shoulder pain, neck pain. It doesn't matter. It it will manifest itself in the physical sense as well. So it's very important that we remain calm inside and outside. And for me, it it does make a world of difference. Absolutely. There's a huge difference between when I was calm on the outside compared to how I am now. I generally feel happier, lighter. And when I was calm on the outside, it was kind of like if I was quote unquote repelling people. They didn't want to work with me. They were saying that I was having an attitude, and that was the opposite. Now people are like, hey, hey, I'm like, wait, I'm only one person.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

It's interesting you talk about how it manifests in the body because it definitely manifests in illness and pain. I I lead a live breathwork session every Sunday morning. It's free on Insight Timer, which is a meditation app. But I do that every Sunday morning, and every week we practice a different form of breath work. And this past week I can't remember what breath practice we did. It doesn't really matter. But there was a woman in the group when we got done with the practice, she said, My back feels better. It doesn't hurt like it as much as it used to. And I say as much because it was still hurting, but she says, I'm more relaxed, and the pain in my back is less than it was. And I thought, yay, win. We got a win.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

That is absolutely a win. And that's good for her. That is amazing. I I can't wait until I'm able to actually have enough time to set aside for myself to be able to relax enough to go into a deep meditation because I want to process some emotions that I feel is being stored in my right hip. Because my right hip kills me every single day, and it never used to. And I Googled it and I saw what emotions were tied there, and it really does make sense.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

So, can I make a suggestion?

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Only because so I'm I I like to road bike, and there was a time when I would only go for a ride if I had three or four hours to spend. Because when I say I go on long rides, and that meant that I wasn't going, I wasn't riding as much as I wanted to, because I was having a hard time carving out three or four hours, and then somebody said, Why do you have to go for three or four hours? Can you go for 30 minutes? Can you go for 20 minutes? I was like, oh, right, okay. And so when I took that expectation that I had to go for this long period of time away, I found more opportunities to ride, which made me feel better. And this I would say the same is true for meditation. It's healing is not big, it's not loud, it's consistent. And if all you've got is a minute, and I've done this before, if all I had was a minute or five minutes, I would find a quiet place. Sometimes it was the ladies' room, I would go and hide, and I would just breathe for a minute or two or three, and then go back to what I was doing. It's just being consistent. So I'm just all I'm trying to say is you don't, it's great if you have an hour to go into a deep meditation. But if you don't have an hour, go for five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Yeah, absolutely. There's nothing wrong with doing like a five-minute meditation, but I'm for me personally, I just want to be able to go in deep enough so that way I can do that emotional healing part because I do like a I call it a little jazz or size when it's particularly warm outside, but I can do it even when it's cool outside because I get really warm very quickly. So if it's cool outside, it doesn't matter. I'll warm myself up. But what I do is I normally on my lunch hour, I'll put on my headphones and I'll put on Pandora and I'll just dance out in public. And at first it was super uncomfortable. And then I kind of like had these metaphoric blinders on, and I would not look around. And then when I felt more comfortable doing it, then I would like look around out of the corner of my eyes only, and then I would notice that people were reacting in a positive way, and then I was like, yes, and so then I was like, now I don't give a crap if I go out there and do it because I knew people. That's what you're doing. So I mean, that's a that's a my quote unquote like meditation and healing that I do because it does boost everybody's moods and makes everyone feel great. How can someone build calm emotional steadiness without losing their ambition, edge, or drive?

SPEAKER_00 36:37

Um I'm gonna go back to saying like do what works best for you to allow you to be in the moment with yourself. Now, for you, it's going outside and dancing like nobody's looking and you don't care, right? Absolutely. And to me, that is that is a form of mindfulness, you know, active meditation, just allowing yourself to be super present in your body. When I rode bike, I didn't actually think about this for years until I started practicing mindfulness more intentionally, and I realized that when I'm cycling, I'm practicing mindfulness because I'm very, very present in the moment. I'm paying attention to my body, I'm I'm feeling, I'm engaging all my senses. So again, breath work, short breath work, long breath work, mindful journaling. Fit it in where you can. And I and again, I'm saying, as someone who's spent many, many times running through an airport, I would sit down in that seat once I got on the plane and I would close my eyes and put on some music, maybe, or listen to a meditation, or just breathe because I had a moment to do it. And we all have these little gaps in different parts of our day, and it's taking advantage and seeing that gap for what it is as a moment to come back to ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Do you think that it's possible that when we have these little breaks in our days, that people might feel so overwhelmed when they actually have these breaks, they would feel too overwhelmed to do some meditation or mindfulness? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Yes. Yes. I, you know, running through an airport and you get on the plane because you almost missed your connection, and you sit down and you're like, the last thing you're thinking about is breath work. You're thinking about like, oh my God, I'm so glad I got on the plane. I'm gonna get home tonight. That's what you're thinking, or you're sweating and you're like, okay, now I can take this coat off. Like, that's what you're thinking. But if you take, you know, once you get kind of settled, all right, before I bust out the laptop and move to the next project, I'm gonna take a moment for me. Because honestly, one regulated breath can begin a different story.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

It sure can. It helps slow the heart rate down, your mind slows down, even just for that little bit. Why do so many mindfulness and stress tools fail people in real life? And what should they be doing instead?

SPEAKER_00 40:32

Ooh, that's loaded. Why do they fail? Because people are forcing them, they're trying to force a round peg into a square hole. They're doing something because somebody said, Oh, this is the thing to do. Right? Um, there was this trend, or I don't know what you want to call it, a few years ago where everybody was like, get up early in the morning and do this, that, and the other. And people were doing that and people were loving that. And it's like, you want me to get out of bed at 5 a.m. Forget it. Not gonna, not gonna happen. It's just not gonna happen. But, you know, in years past, I would have said, oh, I'm I'm gonna give that a try. And then I would, within a week, I'd be like, no, not happening anymore. It's because you haven't found the thing that works best for you. And if you find the thing that works best for you, doesn't mean it's gonna be the thing you're gonna do tomorrow. And that's why I think it's important that we have a quiver, if you will, full of tools that we can pull on, that we can pull that out of our quiver and say, this is the thing that's working for me today. This is the thing that's lighting me up. But it may not be the same thing in an hour or tomorrow. But just being aware of all the different things, it's like all the different breathwork techniques. Sometimes one works really good, and sometimes there's a go-to that works for you.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

That's an interesting point that you bring up because there's some times where listening to music for me might not work, and then I really get frustrated, and I just normally say like to myself, well, well, you know, maybe it's just my mood. You know, maybe I'm just in too much of a pissed-off mood for this type of music, and I'll switch it to like some angry music, and like I almost kind of like try to quote unquote make it work for me and my mood. So maybe I need to expand my horizon a little bit and find something else because I really don't want to have to force something to work for me if it's always going to change sometimes, you know what I mean? I wasn't aware of that.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

So well, I mean, life would be pretty boring if things were the same all the time, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Well, yeah, but I mean, like, you would think that if you found something that would help relax you most of the time, that it would work, quote unquote, all the time. That's why when I switched the like from hip hop to five-finger death punch, for instance, then I mean, my mind goes from fuck you, I'm gonna, you know, do whatever, you know, punched in your face, but and then I'm like, yeah, I'm so mad. And then I work out my anger that way, and I like might just flip off the air or some something or punch my hand, or I don't know. And so then that that I guess the changing of the music changes my mindset, which gets me to do like physical, like almost like air boxing or whatever. And so maybe that's what's working is the boxing part.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Maybe I I don't know. But think about it. I mean, we're growing, right? We're we're we're all here on a journey, and we're all growing and learning. And it makes sense that as we're healing, we're not becoming somebody new, but we're remembering more who we are, and things are going to shift, and the tools that work for us are going to shift just like we are shifting.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

It makes sense. If someone feels like they need to slow down, but it's not an option for them, what would you recommend for them to do? I would say breath work.

SPEAKER_00 45:25

Because you don't have to, you don't need any tools, you don't have to go to a retreat, you don't have to go anywhere. Like I said, I've been known to go hide in the ladies' room for five minutes. That's a good spot. And use my breath. The thing to remember is that we aren't broken, we are adaptive, we adapt to what's going on around us. And if you need to, well, let me just put my daughter while I would sit in the car and wait for her to come out of school for a long time. I would take that moment to do Duolingo. I would do my Duolingo lessons for the day. And then I realized, no, I'm gonna take this moment to just be and to breathe. And our minds are gonna wander because that's what our brains are wired to do, but just coming back to my breath. And I would get five or ten minutes of breath work while I'm sitting, waiting for her to come out of school at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

That's a perfect opportunity to do so. It's a private space, it's secluded. There's you can have music, no music, and it would be really creepy if someone came up and tapped on your window in the middle of doing your breath work. Like, what do you want from me, lady? I'm or sir, I'm waiting for my kid to get out of school. So guaranteed you're probably not gonna get disrupted. And it's it's just as effective as hiding in the bathroom, but you don't have weird people going in and out of stalls next to you either.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

I have been known to go find a corner in an airport and just stand in the corner, put my close my eyes, put my earbuds in, and put timer on and just and I was still out in the middle of every, you know, not literally in the middle of everything, but I'm still out in public, but I got a little corner there. It's my little corner of my little corner of safety for a few moments, and I'll I'll take it.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

Yeah, it's it uh before I went on my spiritual journey and started actually taking real care of myself, I would never think about how important just breathing is. Breath work is so important. I I hope one day, well, I don't hope. I do, but I mean I'm gonna make it happen. I it will become a reality someday. So, I mean, that's why I said I don't hope because I'm gonna do it. But I I'm gonna probably get certified in breath work because it's something that I want to be able to teach people too, because the way that my coaching is going is more about self-care and healing your inner self. And breath work is, I find, a vital tool to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

So absolutely. I did know for myself that that was become was going to become as important as it is to me, but again, I'm growing and shifting and adapting as I am healing and on my own journey. So I'm finding the things that work for me and they shift and they change.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Beautiful. Is there anything else that you want the audience to know about you, the work that you do, or how to work with you one-on-one?

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Well, you can go to my website, which is Katherinechestnut.com. But if you want an easy entry, super non-committal kind of thing, you can go and listen to any of my meditations on my YouTube channel, or all my stuff is on Insight Timer, and that is where I do the bulk of my live sessions, and the live sessions are free. So come and join me on a Sunday morning for a breathwork session. I'd love to have you.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

That would be so much fun.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

You said that what timer is it called? It's called Insight Timer. It's the largest free meditation app. And honestly, I used it for a year for free. You can upgrade to a premium level, which I did after a year, because I wanted to support the community. But honestly, Insight Timer inspired me to become a meditation teacher because there was content that I was looking for that would help me in my recovery, and there wasn't very much of it, you know, as survivors of abuse, and that was where I started, and that was that was why I became a meditation teacher. I was inspired.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Beautiful. Yeah, that is a that is a beautiful story, and and and well done. And I hope that you continue to do wonderful things with your business and yourself. And thank you so much for being here today. I've learned so much during our chat, and I've enjoyed our I've enjoyed talking with you. I can talk now.

SPEAKER_00 51:37

It was a pleasure. All right, take care, Catherine. All right, bye-bye, have a good one.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Bye, you too. And there you have it, folks. If you want to work with Catherine and learn more about meditation, breath work, or anything of that nature, and how you can become more calm and confident on the inside as well as the outside, feel free to check her out at Katherinechestnut.com. That's Catherine with a K, by the way, just so you spell it correctly if you want to check it out. Or go to the app Insight Timer and check her out on live or on YouTube. And for more coaching tips and tricks, or to work with me one on one, feel free to check me out on Facebook or Instagram at Guiding Pathways. Until next week, everybody. This has been your morning tea with Coach Kennedy.