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Inclusive Leaders & CEO Impact Podcast by DIAL Global
Architect of Belonging: Chris Williams’ Journey to Building Inclusive Futures
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Chris Williams, MBA, shares this fascinating journey with us, marked by pivotal moments that changed his life's trajectory. From the tragic murder of George Floyd to a traumatic childhood incident involving his brother's racially motivated attack, Chris recounts the powerful experiences that fueled his passion for fighting discrimination and promoting inclusivity. His story is not just about career progression but about the profound impact of personal experiences in shaping a mission-driven life.
The emotional toll of constantly advocating for diversity, equity, and inclusion is immense. We dive into the delicate balance between energy-charging and energy-draining activities for DEI professionals. We discuss the risks of burnout and the importance of self-care, emphasising that the fight for inclusivity is more of a marathon than a sprint. It's a candid conversation on maintaining positivity and resilience while facing ongoing challenges in the DEI space, offering insights on how to sustain long-term advocacy effectively.
Chris’s role as an "architect of belonging" at CBRE is nothing short of inspiring. With a commitment to spending $3 billion with diverse suppliers by 2025 and engaging communities through various initiatives, CBRE is setting a benchmark for inclusivity. We explore the responsibilities of large organisations in fostering diverse and inclusive workplaces and supporting underrepresented groups. Chris shares invaluable advice on seizing opportunities, the importance of networking beyond familiar circles, and the essence of true success. This episode is a heartfelt call to action, encouraging us to approach challenges with renewed vigor and empathy.
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Inspiring D&I Journey
Speaker 1Hello and welcome to Diverse and Inclusive Leaders . This is the show where I speak with the most inspirational and thought-provoking leaders of today and unearth their unique stories of diversity and inclusion to help inspire , educate and motivate others to make the world a better place . Today , I'm delighted to be joined by Chris Williams , mba . He is the Global Director of Diversity , equity and Inclusion at CBRE Global Workplace Solutions , otherwise known as GWS . He did say at the beginning of this podcast not to give him a big fanfare , but I am going to say this he's got an incredible background . I'm so excited to speak with him um today , because I've heard many great things . Um , otherwise known as the diversity dynamo or the inclusion jedi , or simply put , just Chris . Welcome to the show .
Speaker 2Thank you for that . Fantastic welcome , leila . I thought you were describing somebody else there , but look , I'm really grateful for this opportunity . You're sharing your platform with me today , so I'm humbled . Let's have a great conversation .
Speaker 1Sounds good . So for those that haven't stalked your profile , like me , tell us a little bit about how you came to be where you are today , because you've got some seriously interesting experience in D&I street cred , as you might say .
Speaker 2So I think you know I started off Micah Rivera as an apprentice electrician right , nothing to do with the E&I at all and I worked my way up through various organizations working in operations , facilities management , all of those type of things . And I think that George Floyd got murdered really shook me and the whole world . Attention to it really really shaped my mindset and I started to get involved in a voluntary capacity on the side of my desk , kind of supporting some of the employee resource groups in the business . But you know we'll probably get into a bit more how I've always been volunteering in church and areas like that long before George Floyd .
Speaker 2But from a business perspective I started feeling more comfortable volunteering as a Jedi fighting crime and doing stuff in the business since George Floyd and that really led me to be noticed by some of our leaders in the business that said , hey , you're doing quite a lot in the D&I space from a voluntary perspective . Why don't you come over here and really fight crime as a Jedi full time ? You know we're accepting you as our Padawan , as our apprentice Jedi to fight , you know , for this real , real , real important effort and cause . So that's really how I got into D&I and that was over two years ago .
Speaker 1I got into B&I and that and that was over two years ago , chris , that's such a great story and I really love that you do voluntary work on the side . I mean , it kind of just really goes to show that not only from humble beginnings as you've described them , which is a great story of upward social mobility , but also how people's personal passion can actually spark the flourishing of a broader career , almost .
Speaker 2Yeah , leila , it's really interesting , when I really reflect on it right , that when I was about 10 years old my family got a phone call to say that my brother had been beaten up and attacked and stabbed and all sorts just because he was walking down the street with a white lady . And he's alive to tell the tale today . But it sparked something in me from a young age where I've always been defending bullies . I didn't pick up the lightsaber just because it was a fancy thing . I started to really help fight against people that would just pick on people just because of the way they looked or the way they sounded . And I realised , even as I reflect on it , I've had that passion really from that day . That was a catalyst because my family really struggled to explain to me why my brother got attacked . You know , imagine saying oh , your brother was attacked because he was walking with a white lady . Well , I walk with white girls and white boys all the time at school . I not being attacked to mum and dad and they couldn't explain to me .
Speaker 1And it really really stuck with me to this day where I'm just like , look , we really need to create an inclusive environment for everybody because we can't have people being attacked just for something that doesn't even matter well , first of all , chris , thank you so much for sharing that story and I think those listening and myself , you know you , almost you know you can feel how , um , as you're telling that , the impact that it would have had , and you know it's amazing that stories and things that happen in childhood , how they impact what you end up going into and how you become as a you know , as a fully grown adult almost and how they do stick with you yeah , and you know , these things are catalysts that really shape your mind and shape your future , and sometimes you're passionate about something and you don't even realize why you have a certain propensity to a certain area .
Speaker 2You know , and I just , I just it really resonated with me and even three weeks ago I was going to an event in the evening . You know , nice , really nice hotel , with a load of other corporate leaders , and a white gentleman went in before me and I was probably 10 meters back from him . I saw him go into the hotel and I heard the person at the front door say welcome , sir . You know , please go over to the desk and they can help you further . I came to the front door and he said how may I help you ? And stood in front of the door and I was thinking in my mind that wasn't the , that wasn't the intro or the greeting that you gave the previous person , but I never said anything I just said .
Speaker 2You know I'm here for an event and he followed me to reception to make sure that . You know , I spoke to the receptionist and whatever else , and there was a stark contrast between how he spoke to me and the other person , but it was for me . I'm not going to invest all my energy in educating you , because I can't educate the whole population of the world , but I just found it interesting and I think my life experience and journey helped me to stay calm and not use an opportunity to lambast him in any way or anything like that , which I've seen some others do . I've seen some other people get really upset and actually get physical with people , but it was , you know . He's probably a product of his environment . He's probably never been around people that look like me , that are professional , and he probably thought I came to collect the bins or something . So you know , I've learned over the years to not react in a really bad way . Um , and it's you know . I clearly certainly well to where I am today and testament to you for that .
Speaker 1And as you were saying that and I was reflecting on a similar experience , I'm sure other people are now listening where , um , and again , it's also no disrespect to those who are serving in restaurants and things like this . But I was asked , um , you know , um , about taking an order and I had to explain on the swash business meeting . Um , but you know . It leads me to the question . I think I you know in part , know what you may say , but how did it make you feel ? Because you know , we know the famous quotes of you know people don't remember what you did , what you say , but they remember how you made them feel . How did that experience make you feel ?
Speaker 2I think it made me feel that the organizations around the world sometimes pledge to do the right thing , right , right , and they pledge to create environments where everybody is seen , valued and heard . And it just made me reflect and think that it's really a shame that only a small pocket of organisations are doing that , because it left me feeling inadequate . It left me feeling , you know , and look , people always say they don't see colour , right , but I knew I was black in that experience . Sometimes you might not be thinking about it , but I knew in that moment I am a black man and this person saw me as a threat . And we hear , you know , from our young children that they're seen sometimes as threat to the police Not all police , I don't want to stereotype in that way , but it made me feel like , wow , you don't want to stereotype in that way , but it made me feel like , wow , you don't know me , but you , you've made an assumption that I'm a threat or I'm here to rob the place and it made me feel pretty rubbish .
Balancing Energy and Advocacy
Speaker 2But you know , these things happen for me , certainly momentarily . I'm quite , I'm quite good at picking myself up . Incident Incidentally . Cbre , I tell everybody , stands for Chris , brings Real Energy Right . So I'm that kind of person that I know how to use my energy to just lift the atmosphere . I'm not going to walk into this event all downtrodden and sad because of what happened . I'm going to , you know , I'm going to charge myself back to the energy source and get some more energy and let's get going .
Speaker 1I'm so pleased that you said that . So I love that you bring energy and again , you know positive people . You end up hearing about them through others , through the network , in the same way that I did about you , and I think things like that are just absolutely wonderful . I will circle back that wouldn't say that when you've mentioned , you know , is it my job to educate for those that are listening ? You know it is my job as an ally , um to black colleagues , friends , those that I know , or , as you said at the beginning , you know , to stand up , to speak up against bullies .
Speaker 1And you know , get , get out the chris's lightsaber and be there , because he is and he can be absolutely emotionally exhausting um to be educating again and again and again . Um , but clearly as a man of faith and also someone who has got this tremendous energy , actually you utilize it , you dig deep and you then use that to the positive advantage . But just making a point of that for those who are listening , because it is still and you forget when you live in it , like , like , like you and I do is and people are still being educated for the first time that you know , actually it's not always going to the individual who is having the certain issue , to solve that problem . You know it takes everyone else because otherwise we are preaching to the converted right .
Speaker 2It's an excellent call out layla , and I think that the way this is how I position things in my mind , and when I speak on this , I find there are energy charging activities and their energy draining activities . Just like with your phone , right , you can charge it into the source and charge it , or you can just watch YouTube and drain it and then it will eventually switch off and die and you won't be able to use it .
Speaker 2Everybody listening in you have to , whether you are from a particular underrepresented group or whether you are an ally . You need to make sure you're balancing your days and your weeks with energy charging activities and energy training activities . I have seen so many colleagues in this dni space burn themselves out and become drained because they're just educating everybody the uber driver , the person in the restaurant , the person on the train . Then when they get home they're educating somebody and I'm like when do you ever get a chance to recharge ? When do you ever get a chance to just rest and be you and what's something fun ? You know what's a friend's episode rerun or something .
Speaker 2But sometimes people are just pouring themselves out until they have nothing left for themselves . And it's just a solemn warning , really , because I've seen too many people burn out and we need to balance it . I'm not saying don't do it , absolutely right , you must do it . And there's times where we must stand up and be counted and say this is my position on this . But then there's times when you just need to chill and recharge your batteries and just cuddle your loved ones and just recharge yourself such a good learning lesson .
Speaker 1Rather , I'm really glad that we touched on this point because you are so right and it is something we're seeing specifically a lot at the moment , given there is , you know , again , 70 , well , I say again , I don't know if it has happened before 70 elections going on around the globe , and we are in a geopolitical challenging time at the moment , and there are voices of um , petulant leaders , I should say , at times saying obscenities that you think , oh , my goodness , you know , for those that may have been on the fence , actually , um , you know , it's an excuse to become disbelievers .
Speaker 1And so , actually , when you talk about these energy charging activities , I'm getting energy . Just hearing , speaking to you right now , a man of faith and someone who is , um , you know , out there every day keeping up the good fight and is what is needed , because you know diversity leaders as well as people leaders and other leaders as well , you know they're mile wide , they're mile deep . Actually , um , you know diversity leaders as well as people leaders and other leaders as well , you know they're mile wide , they're mile deep . Actually , you know , is not just the role , it's that emotional , energy and pertinent sort of personal experience that gets poured into this every day , and you know , as you say , you can't pour from an empty cup , can you ? And so it's a great learning lessons , I think , for today yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2And I think that it's so important because I made up in my mind sure many others have this is a marathon , it's not a sprint . We may want it to be a sprint and we may reflect four years on from George Floyd and think , wow , it's not been fixed yet . It's going to take a long time , right , and I'm , I'm , I'm for it , I'm for this marathon , I've got the insurance for it , so let's , yeah , let's , get to work
Architect of Belonging
Speaker 2so on .
Speaker 1Cbre and this is Chris brings real energy , as well as CBRE , the company . Tell us a little bit more about what you do , because you're out there having courageous conversations , a subject I know that you are super passionate about .
Speaker 2Yeah . So let me start by saying that CBRE really stands for Corporate Banking . Richard Ellis right , it's just a series of different acquisitions that have come together over the last hundred plus years to form this massive $30 billion revenue business with over 119,000 employees . We're really focused on property sales , leasing management , investment . We're really focused on property sales , leasing management , investment . We help customers run their building smoothly , whether it be from a cleaning , maintenance , security , catering or project management perspective .
Speaker 2So I look , I'm responsible for one of the segments that are focused on facilities management , really , and project management that has 72,000 employees and I'm really about being the architect of belonging for those employees . Right , an architect of belonging . So what does that mean ? That means I'm really responsible for planning , designing , overseeing and constructing the strategy , the initiatives and actions that can help people feel like they belong , that can help us see more talent coming into our business , more retention in the business , working with diverse suppliers and when I say diverse suppliers , I mean people who own their business and they're from one of the underrepresented groups a woman who owns her own business , or an ethnic minority , or a person with disability , or someone from the LGBTQ plus community owns their own business at least 51% or more . Guess what our business , our CEO , has said we want to spend three billion dollars with those businesses by 2025 and I think , when he said this , we were probably spending about 500 million , right , because these businesses don't normally get a look in .
Speaker 2And we've made , we've pledged , to spend 3 billion . We're spending over 2 billion now already with those communities , right ? So my job is both internally and externally , from the supply and diversity perspective , how can we really level the playing field ? And one more thing community engagement is really important . How are we helping people in the community , the constituents that are in the areas and spaces that CBRE operate in ? How are they better off ? Because we're there ?
Speaker 2And whether that is because we're going into schools I'll go into a lot of schools to encourage the young kids to join us , come and work for us , whether it be you want to do work experience , you want to do an internship , you want to do an apprenticeship in fact , we're taking on 100 apprentices just in the UK alone and many more in the US . But just how can we impact the community for good ? You can't have a 30 billion dollar revenue and not impact the communities that you live , work and breathe in , right ? So that's what keeps me up and , as you say , there's a lot about training , there's a lot about creating safe spaces , there's a lot of just listening to people . But it is all about raising awareness .
Speaker 2It is all about creating interest . It's really trying to get people to make decisions , because I don't really I'm not so super excited about . I've just made you aware , but you haven't made a decision to do anything . All right , so I want to make sure that , even as I've raised the awareness about these things and I've created some interest , you're leaning forward as you're listening to this podcast . But at the end of it all , I want you to decide what are you going to do ? I want you to look at the person in the mirror and decide I am going to do this and you're going to have at least one action , that you're going to walk away after this podcast and say if I don't do anything else .
Speaker 2I'm going to do this and let me give you that one action right now , whoever's listening . I want that one action to be that you care . Care for somebody that's not from your particular characteristic . So , if you're a white male or a white woman , care for somebody that's not white . If you're a black sorry , if you're a black man or woman , or you're an Asian woman or Asian man , care for someone who may be disabled .
Speaker 2Care for someone who may be from the LGBTQ community , and what do I mean by that ? Care enough about them to help them , whether it be help them with their cv , help them with interview prep , help them with a presentation that they're going to present to the board of directors next week that they're really worried about . Just be inquisitive and be learning and have a learning mindset of finding out what people's needs around you . Don't just be one of those people that say , hey , leila , how are you ? And carry on walking . Don't even wait to hear Layla's response
Creating a Caring Community for Diversity
Speaker 2. You know , let's be a caring community and if you care for one person , you make the world a better place where do I even start with what to say , chris ?
Speaker 1that is so powerful and it it really resonates , and I know it will resonate with lots of people who are listening . Um , not only the importance of the role that you do , ultimately , as a beacon and a baton carrier for what is right and what is good for good business , something that we are such proponents of at Dial is how do we help businesses do well by doing good ? Because , actually , you know , like you say , you know , there is a big imperative of responsibility for large global organizations like household names , to have not only this responsibility but to impact the communities with which they serve . Um , it's a , it's a brilliant role , because you literally are , and you've described so well that mile wide , mile deep , literally , from cradle to grave almost , and I think often people forget that , when it comes to diversity and culture , which is it's living , it's breathing , it's sleeping , it's eating and all those guises , it does mean supply chain diversity . You know how do we impact in terms of prosperity and wealth into the community and , like you say , um , you know those communities that would have otherwise been overlooked .
Speaker 1And so , um , you know , and it's great as well that you mentioned your , your ceo there , because ceo activism , um , you know again , something that you know , whilst it's been talked about over the last 10 years and I think people sometimes say activism , that's a controversial word actually there is the positive sides of things , where actually leaders do take , uh , responsibilities beyond their own sphere and actually into those that they can serve for better and for good , but ultimately , um , to drive better business as well and , like you say , leveling this playing field , um , so it sounds like an incredibly varied role . One minute in schools , next minute training um , you know , again , I said it before , but I think people often think , oh , you know , it's just about training and learning and development . It is not , it is also the supply chain . So I'm so pleased that you mentioned that , so pleased you mentioned that .
Speaker 2And it's also you know , it's not enough just to say that we're eyes to from the various forums and roundtables that I've been involved in is you can't just expect diverse suppliers to have the same payment terms as everybody else , right ? Because there are some diverse suppliers who've never operated at this level before . They've never received one order for 50 000 or one order for 100k . And for you to say , yeah , you're gonna have to wait 60 days to get paid and you're expecting them to pay all of their supplies and all of their employees . Which bank has given them the credit facilities to enable them to do that ? What makes you think they have the finances to do that ?
Speaker 2And when I think of my own life right , my parents died . When my parents died , they left debts . They didn't leave a plan for how to bury them . And here's the money this how you bury me and this how you do this . And , by the way , you can have this house and divvy it up between the children . No , everything was left . You have to pay for their funeral . You have to pay for the rest of the house , or whatever you're going to sell it , whatever you're going to do , but there was debts to be , and this is something that underrepresented groups kind of suffer from a lot , and it impacts even the businesses that we're talking about focusing on in terms of supply diversity , because imagine , they're now in debt because they had to pay off their parents there , but they're still trying to run their business .
Speaker 2They now maybe work for a big corporate like cbre and they've been given this big order , fantastic hundred thousand pounds order , but they can't wait 60 days , 90 days , let alone if we query the invoice on the last day and say you misspelled something or the figure's wrong . They can't wait . So I'm really really just just really asking for everyone on the call , really that has the ability to change things . Shorten that down , you know , shorten it down . If it's possible to pay on the day that you receive the invoice , excellent . If not , within 15 to 30 days , you know , come on it's . This is . This is changing communities . This is leaving a legacy for our children's children if we get it right . But companies will go bankrupt if they cannot sort this out , you know . So let's all as a community . It takes a village to do this , so let's create a village of corporates that can really just help that supply chain I feel like winston the dog here , because I'm like nodding furious as you're speaking and it's , it's just .
Speaker 1I mean , we've just covered such a lot . It is like yes , yes and yes , absolutely . And you know these are simple but big things . Um , you know , especially to those that you know , I think that and again , I know somewhat about this because of the , the journey of entrepreneurship , but one statistic um , two percent is what goes to female entrepreneurs , just an example , as opposed to male entrepreneurs .
Speaker 1They talk about minority owned supplies and those when , you know , perhaps they have a death in the family . And I'm also very sorry to hear about your parents passing away as well . I lost my father recently and it changes you as a person . I think it really really does . It's that you lose part of your childhood when you lose a parent , let alone to lose two . Um , but we talk about leveling the playing field . I think , um , you know , the presumption and not always an intentional one is that these organizations you know that is a choice they've got their own business , etc . Etc . Actually , maybe it was something that needed to happen because of a product of where those people , those individuals , are , and so they don't always have the level of sophistication to be dealing with large , exciting , big organizations . And so when you describe , you have a way about telling stories , chris . Um , you know , it just brings everything to , to , to life . It really , really does .
Speaker 2And , like you say , um , it takes a village and everyone can make a difference everyone can make a difference , and even if we start actively looking for the suppliers rather than waiting for them to knock on our door because some of them don't know where the door is .
Speaker 2Some of them don't know how to access the door . Well , the door's not open for them . Imagine my experience of going to the hotel and the person standing in front of the door and saying you know , what can I do for you ? I could have taken an offense of that and just turned around and gone home . Imagine some of these suppliers , and I remember this .
Speaker 2Let me give you another quick story . I know we're kind of coming out of time here , but I went to the House of Lords and I was invited to the House of Lords and what the the person that was inviting me said to me is what's interesting is they invite a lot of black people to , to to . Actually it was the House of Commons . They said what happens is white people walk straight in that he invites . They walk past the security , the police with the big machine guns , they walk straight past them and then they go to reception .
Speaker 2Right , they said all the black people stand far like across from the pavement . They don't even approach . They see the police with the guns , the House of Commons , and they just stand back and then they wait or they will call the person that invited them and say how do I get in ? They'll say walk through the gate . But there's police there . You don't need to be scared of the police , just walk past them . And it's just interesting how two different communities one has no fear and just walks straight in the other one's like well , you stop me all the time on the road when I'm driving and I've been taught to be scared of you . I'm going to stand back and wait until I'm invited closer . Can you imagine that ? So you've got all of these suppliers , who are diverse , own their own businesses , too scared to knock on our door because of what we may say to them . Let's help them by knocking on their door . Let's go and find them .
Speaker 1It's another fantastic story , chris , albeit with that pain point that really touches you . It makes me think very much of talent point that really touches you . It makes me think very much of talent . You know , like I mentioned at the beginning , used to be an exact search and recruitment , and often you'd hear hiring managers saying , oh , but the talent doesn't exist . You know , it's the exact same thing that you're saying . Here is number one when opportunity knocks , always open that door . But equally , when you start from that place of often fear or feeling less than the amount of energy then that needs to be expended in order to get through that door . It's a very different situation , but they do exist and so it is going off to find them and or find diverse talent , because it is exactly what we need .
Embracing Potential and Networking
Speaker 1Chris , I'd love to ask a couple of little lightning round questions , because I am conscious that I could sit and talk to you all day . I'm going to start with the hardest one first . What does success look like for you ?
Speaker 2Success for me , real , simple , real , simply put is a person achieving their potential . Because when I think about a cemetery , a grave , it's full of untapped potential , full of people who died and they hadn't fulfilled their potential or their purpose . You know people that would have , could have , should have , people that would have wanted to open their business , or they wanted to work in D&I , or they wanted to be promoted , or they wanted to relocate and start again , but they died before they had the opportunity to do so . And sometimes procrastination is our you know our nemesis . So for me , success is just achieving your potential , not other people's or what your parents think you should achieve , or your community .
Speaker 1Your potential , not other people's or what your parents think you should achieve , or your community your potential so powerful , and I , on that note , I'm breaking all my own rules here on the whole , but on that , I don't think that we often talk about death enough as a community , as you know , as society's communities in general , um , and so when it happens , at times it feels like , oh , my goodness , but um , the way you framed that then with the . You know life , you know the fragility of life and potential , you know , um , you know what could be achieved within this small amount of time we have you know , I can .
Speaker 1I can tell that you are a man of faith .
Speaker 2Anyhow , um and sorry , leila , we need to not wait for somebody dies to give them their flowers , right ? Let's tell people what we think of them now . Let's tell leila right now how great you are and how inspirational you are and how you bring energy to these podcasts now . We're so grateful for the work that you're doing . Let's not wait till you pass .
Speaker 1Let's tell you now and finally , if you could go , I'm feeling amazing right now . This is the thing you know , you know , and it goes on . It comes right back to the beginning of what you're saying , around caring . But finally , if you could go back in time and speak to the young Chris or anyone who's in a similar position , wanting to be where you are right now , what would you say ?
Speaker 2I think I would tell the young Chris that there is power in networking , even with the people that don't look like you . Don't be scared of people that don't look like you , don't be scared of failing , be scared of not trying , but never be scared of failing , because failing is just giving you more information for your future , so how to do it correctly next time . So I will tell the young Chris just just have some confidence and just step out . There , be bold kind of pause , think about what you want to do and go after it .
Speaker 1Chris , thank you so much . This has been an amazing podcast , absolutely amazing , covered so much . The way you tell stories is really quite magical and I've learned a lot , and I know that many others will as well . You know , as you say , keep charging and finding those moments to be able to charge the energy , balance them out between the energy draining activities . Faith is something that is ringing so loud and clear from having this conversation and how moments in time make people feel and how we can seek to put ourselves , where possible , into their shoes and into their skin . Even I go as far as saying um , I really , uh , loved the piece um that you had said around .
Speaker 1You know courageous conversations and networks , because I think that's often you know , those who weren't born with that network . There is an importance there to seek to continue getting to know the right people , even though I think imposter syndrome gets to all of us at times . And , coming right back to what you said at the beginning and we've all heard it , people say they don't see colour , but you absolutely should . That's my summary , but I could easily continue going on , chris , because honestly , that was just . You know , it was really fantastic and I have , you know , I think I needed it at the end of this week .
Speaker 2Ah , excellent . Well , thank you for having me . I've really enjoyed it . This has charged my batteries as well . Just seeing you I know everybody that's listening to the podcast can't see the way that you're smiling but me being able to see you smiling right now it's lifted me and charged me for the end of the week . I'm ready for my weekend .
Speaker 1Chris , thank you so much my name is Leila McKenzie-Dellis , founder and CEO of Dial Global . You've been listening to the fantastic Chris Williams MBA , global Director of DE&I at CBRE , and we all know what CBRE means now . As-e means now as well , don't we ? If you've been affected by anything in today's podcast , make sure you reach out . Do not be a stranger . You can find us on your favourite podcast channel , apple Spotify , or visit us directly at wwwdarglobalorg . Forward slash podcast . Take care and see you very soon .