The Raw Deal with Tyler Morrison: Canadian Stand-up Comic/ Famous Roast Battler Chimes in on the Canadian Entertainment Industry & Life These Days

Jamie Jackson sits down with renowned roast battle icon Tyler Morrison to talk  all things comedy & Canada’s  entertainment landscape: what it really takes to chase a dream, put yourself out there, & make people laugh. 

The conversation dives into  economic & cultural obstacles for Canadian artists, riffing on Luc Rinaldi’s Walrus article with Skye Wallace: 📰 "The Death of the Middle-Class Musician".

Canadian musicians are squeezed by low streaming revenue, touring costs, & a lack of sustainable support, threatening the very survival of full-time artistry: What kind of country do we want for our creatives? What happens when the middle class in music, and in comedy, disappears?

They touch on rising costs in sports, local media, polarization, & the rise of politically incorrect comedy while keeping  laughs rolling, packed with anecdotes & moments of reflection. Whether a die-hard comedy fan, an up-and-comer or just wondering what happened to your rock ‘n’ roll dreams—this is for you. 🎸🎧

Reach Tyler @tylermorrison123 OR  https://cottagecomedy.com/

⏱️ Chapters

00:00—Tyler Morrison & the Comedy Scene
05:59—Substance Use, Community, & Rural Realities
11:43—Polarization
17:23—Challenges for Artists
19:30—Entertainment in 2025
22:40—Streaming Services/Modern Cinema
24:27—Music Streaming & the Artist’s Raw Deal
26:42—Songwriting & Authenticity in Art
28:25—Cost of Sports
32:27—Decline of Local Media
34:24—Accountability & Cancel Culture
38:21—Comedy: Then & Now
40:21—Changing Reception of Jokes: Rise of Politically Incorrect Comedy
52:24—Russell Peters: Viral
55:46—The Comedy Boom: Canadian Frustration
58:22—Comedy after COVID
01:01:30—Local Support & Word-of-Mouth
01:08:40—Canadian Artistry
01:09:53—Social Media & Promotion
01:16:54—Stories in an Age of Noise
01:21:23—Identity, Humour & Canadian Culture
01:22:43—The Tragically Hip
01:27:05—Roasting, Respect, & the Knife’s Edge
01:37:16—Advice for Aspiring Comedians & Writing Jokes
01:46:56—Digital Comedy: Changing Stages & Power 
01:54:50—The Future

Keywords

stand-up, comedy, roasts,  social media, Tyler Morrison, John Moses, Tom O'Donnell, Cottage Comedy, Main Offenders, Fight Stories, Scott Thompson, Just For Laughs, Yuk Yuks, Big Wreck, Skye Wallace, Canadian Music, Mark Gagnon, Ron Josol, Andrew Schulz, polarization,

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Hey everybody, it's Jamie from Canadian Grit. We got Tyler Morrison, local comedy legend of the main offenders as you see behind you in cottage comedy. A long time guy doing some stand-up from Bracebridge. Welcome to the show, Tyler. Hey, thanks for having me. No, man, it's my pleasure. Thanks for coming. I'm super pumped to have you here and to have some laughs and to change up the pace. I've been doing a lot of history, a lot of mental health stuff. And that's again, it's all connected. But it's just nice to change it up and also show that, you know, there's there's different sides to everybody. Right.

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Oh,

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yeah. Yeah, that's great. And anytime we get to get together with anybody who's, you know, doing something cool and creating, I think that's pretty awesome, too.

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Nice. I like your setup you got there. It's

SPEAKER_01: 0:42

pretty gritty, buddy. You know, back here, whenever things get cold, here's a Molson Canadian hat that my mother graciously gave me. It's still got the, I'm too scared to wear it because I'm like, this might be worth something someday. But even if it was, I'd never part with it. But it's like the Elmer Fudd, you know?

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Yeah,

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that's good. I got a classic pair of original Pit Vipers, not to brag, but they are pretty fast. So I don't wear them too much because this isn't about me. Hey, well, see what I just picked up here.

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Dude,

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Jelly Roll, I was noticing that earlier. Talk about

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that. Attention, Walmart shoppers, if you happen to be in the Bracebridge area, there's still a couple Jelly Roll shirts left. So just in case you pussies didn't get one already, I mean, you know where to find them. What are you waiting for? You know where to find them at Walmart? The Jelly Roll section. Just go

SPEAKER_01: 1:31

to the Jelly Roll section. I'm pretty sure that's like at the intersection of Taylor Road and Highway 11, if I'm not mistaken. And if you were to explain, and I mean, not that something so explicitly kind needs explaining, but why would you even leave some of those shirts behind for other people?

SPEAKER_02: 1:46

Well, you know, you got to share the wealth. That's the thing, right? I'm about giving back. It's the pay it forward situation. That's why you're here, buddy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52

That's true grit. That's why, I mean, I don't throw around the term hero very lightly. You're in an elite class, man. You've been inducted. I've

SPEAKER_02: 2:03

never met Jelly Roll before, but a bunch of my friends know Jelly Roll because he's kind of intertwined in the comedy world in the U.S. Didn't know that. Yeah. Well, Andrew Schultz, who I work with on certain things, he's... He's hilarious also. He was the first guy, I think, that brought Jelly Roll maybe into the comedy world.

SPEAKER_01: 2:27

They did a... Yeah, he had a hard time sort of breaking in. I knew a lot of people who sort of knew about Jelly Roll. And then again, it was like, boom, you know, it just all came.

SPEAKER_02: 2:36

It was a wave. Yeah. But he did a song during the pandemic with Andrew Schultz called Open Her Up. When everything was locked down, they did that song and it Is this a silly song

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or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

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But that was the first time I heard of him too. And then next thing you know, he's at like Skank Fest.

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Yeah.

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And he's kind of doing all these different podcasts. But when I was, actually, when he was at Skank Fest, we were at that one. That was the one that I was at. And I remember sitting in a Waffle House in Las Vegas. And it's late night. We're having a couple. You could

SPEAKER_01: 3:10

probably do a whole podcast on that night at the Waffle House.

SPEAKER_02: 3:13

Oh, we have Waffle House's endless entertainment, but we're sitting there and there's a security guard and he has like this thousand yard stare going and something about it was concerning to me. I was like, something's wrong with this dude. And maybe someone just needs to talk to him. Maybe he just needs

SPEAKER_01: 3:29

something. Needs a little wellness check. That's it. Yeah. The grease is getting to this guy.

SPEAKER_02: 3:35

Yeah. So I'm like, hey man, everything going okay? What's up? And he just looks at me, he goes, he's an older guy too. He looks at me, he goes, Jelly Rolls in town tomorrow night. I didn't, I was like, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. But he's like, it's going to be bad. So I think there's a couple, you know, factors why this could be bad. It's either, it's like, I wasn't sure if he meant like Jelly Rolls fans are going to come. At first I thought it was, he was worried that Jelly Rolls fans are going to destroy the city. Like, you know, they're a problem for the city. Vancouver 2010. Yeah, but then I'm thinking, well, Waffle House is the epicenter of all of that. It is. It's either that he's worried Jelly Roll's fans are going to descend upon the Waffle House tomorrow night and he's that concerned in advance that he's having bad daydreams about it.

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He's literally, yeah, he's never been to Vietnam, but he's feeling what it's going to be like. This is the PTSD he's about to

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deploy into Fallujah. And so he's sitting there and he's shook up. And then I'm like, he's either worried about Jelly Roll's fans or he works at a Waffle House. He might be worried about Jelly Roll himself coming

SPEAKER_01: 4:45

in and decimating this fucking joint. I don't know if we have enough batter, boys. Yeah, Jelly Roll's

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about to punish us, dude.

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And when he's trending like that, you don't want to let a guy down. Yeah. I remember stopping at a Waffle House in Atlanta. I remember it was like 2 a.m. going into a Georgia Waffle House and it was just like, that was an experience as a young child from Bracebridge. You're about to see some shit. You know it. And it's like, as a small kid, you're like, something's happened here. There's vibes or I don't know. Meth.

SPEAKER_02: 5:19

Now you can see it in Bracebridge. You just drive down the street and there's zombies everywhere. It's, it's, uh,

SPEAKER_01: 5:25

yeah, it's, it's hit here. Yeah. Yeah. It's hit everywhere, man. I remember a few, a decade ago, I was working in fencing up in South river and in Sunridge, filling the fence between, uh, Sunridge and South River on your way to North Bay to keep the animals off and I worked with some guys and saw some guys in those communities even back then and it was like this is coming

SPEAKER_02: 5:45

and 100% man yeah it's you know you hear Donald Trump talking about how we need a fentanyl czar worried about you know Canada bringing fentanyl across the border it's like dude you haven't been to Thunder Bay all the fentanyl is right there it ain't going anywhere man there's

SPEAKER_01: 6:03

Honestly, my wife and I, we enjoy camping and my wife's pregnant, so we didn't go this year. But the last three or four years, we've gone up to like Pakasaw. We go up to Sleeping Giant. And I grew up in Bracebridge, but living down in, you know, suburbia now, you really see that it's like Disneyland. It's insular. It's it's a bubble. You know, when we were in Thunder Bay, man, like even out and when I was in Kelowna and different places, you know, and my brother lives in Calgary and you go across, I think it's called the Reconciliation Bridge. And it's just a bunch of poor indigenous people holding signs there who don't have homes. And I've never been to Regina here. It's crazy. But Thunder Bay, like there were they have security guards at the Starbucks, you know, and there was all these people. We saw a guy like Rocket Deuce in the LCBO parking lot. There's guys strewn across like it's just so in your face. And I mean, you've obviously been to Thunder Bay in these places right on your travels or in your travels. Yeah, I love Thunder Bay. It is something else. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 7:00

But I've definitely been in the hotel in Thunder Bay when there's some problems. You feel bad for the people working there. I've

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heard that.

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Yeah, the stuff that they see nightly, it's a pretty

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big gong show. I forget his name now, but there's a five-part documentary series on Crave, and it's just called Thunder Bay. Yes, I've seen it. Oh, dude, it is something else. That's why I like to have you on. It's so fun to be with another creative guy who knows these connections. It's cool.

SPEAKER_02: 7:32

Hey, man, it's, yeah, this country, I mean, we see what's happening here. It's definitely changed a lot. Things are, I don't know how to improve shit. I

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just know how

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to.

SPEAKER_01: 7:46

That's the thing is I think we're all looking for like a solution and an answer. And I think it's just about actually we can talk about that with what, you know, what you think about what comedy is. But it's like the court gestures, right? What I've realized in my own journey of learning and trying to help people, it's all about perception, right? And so involving people in a way, but again, we're in a time where people don't have the language, I don't think, to express themselves properly. And comedy, again, I love watching, you know, SNL from time to time, but a lot mainly just to watch the weekend update. And, you know, Shay always comes on, and he'll say something, and the whole crowd goes, oh, and he's like, oh, you love it, you know, and bring it. It's the 90s. The 90s was peak. And it's interesting you could talk about that, maybe, but... Comedy in my mind is like it keeps us level and it keeps the playing field moving. You know what I mean? It's it's really important what you're doing and what, you know, other people who are stand ups and do this for a living are doing.

SPEAKER_02: 8:42

Yeah, well, with Canada, what I think we're starting to see is a little bit more of what's happened in America is the partisan politics have crept in a little bit more here where we're very divided as a country. And you see in America, it's been like that for a long time, right? You're either Republican or you're Democrat. And in Canada, after the pandemic, that line was just drawn between everyone. And I think it was a lot of the, you know, anti-lockdown, anti-vax versus people that are just, you know, more into following what the government's lead is. And so it's like, can you trust the democratic process that we put the right people in place? And sometimes we don't. And that's there is fallacy in that. And so I think as a country, we got so divided and caught up in this, you know, vax, anti-vax bullshit that that there isn't there isn't enough I guess, how do I put it? The way that people are reacting to, the way they reacted to anti-Justin Trudeau was like a huge, we see that, you still see the trucks, the fuck Trudeau stickers. Those aren't going

SPEAKER_01: 9:56

away for a while. I mean, that was a long-term investment. Yeah, yeah. There's a guy on my way to Bracebridge, I'll not say specifically where, but again, full Trump flag. America flag still has a Trudeau flag and it's like he flies it like his pirate flag you know what I mean and again it is what it is and yeah

SPEAKER_02: 10:15

sorry we just went from being a very lackadaisical country when it comes to our politics to now everyone's very much engaged all of a sudden they woke up A lot of people, because of these restrictions that they put on our country during that time, I think people that didn't give a shit about politics before now care very much or even too much. They made it their own identity. And really, we see, you know, if you change the government, it still takes a long time to reverse all these decisions. You feel very powerless, I think. I think there's a lot of people that feel very powerless. And so that's why we get so much of that negative vitriol online. Oh, yeah. And there isn't a...

SPEAKER_01: 10:56

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, no. I just wanted to add because I think what you're saying is everyone came out sort of more aware of like, oh, I need to really think about this because this could affect my family's health or outcomes, you know, life or death. But at a time also when people maybe were more out of touch with or because I don't know if people realize how quickly it all changed is where is the information coming from? And it's when people with the internet, social media, it was like, And going back to what you said, there's like this more libertarian, I got rights. And then, you know, Canada is our old slogan is peace, order, good government. You know, we come from a time where it's like grandpa only had the CBC in the newspaper. It's like, well, I better listen to what they say. And then now it's like you got, I always say like Uncle Donnie's shed and people have bits of information that sound really good. But this is it, right? We're at a time that without a history and well, people need good information.

SPEAKER_02: 11:53

Yeah. And, and we can't trust, you can't trust the media anymore. There's just, they've, they've shown too many cracks. Can't, and I'm not really, I don't really give a fuck about politics except that I joke about this shit. You know what I mean? So it's hard to, I have to follow it, but I don't, it's not something I'm like particularly passionate about. Yeah. But I do, I, you know, I, I make fun of everything and I try to make fun of people on both sides of the aisle. It's more about, you know, each individual case than, That's right. What I'm saying with the media, we're in Canada. We are getting a lot of left wing. It's always been pretty traditionally left wing media. There isn't, you know, there's the rebel news is I guess our Fox, but like, yeah, I never, I've never watched rebel news in my life. I don't

SPEAKER_01: 12:38

fucking know what they're saying. That was it.

SPEAKER_02: 12:42

That was, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, so you have that and then you have, and that's like a, like an extreme versus, you know, CDC, which has gone a little bit, further to the left than in the past it has been, I believe. And so with comedy, if you look at Canadian comedy and the comedians that we have in our country working here, the platforms that exist for us to do our comedy are very CBC left wing places so

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that

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if you push back against the, you know, the politics, if you make fun of politicians in this country too much or too harshly, you'll never get on any of their shit. No, no, no. Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's kind of weird. I've, I've always found it that those institutions, those media institutions with their comedy have been very safe and they're very curated to make sure that it's, it does the politics, the political satire doesn't sting too much.

SPEAKER_01: 13:38

Yeah. They're controlling the jester, right? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's, and that's a thing too. And that's, that's also really interesting to talk about because, What we were talking about earlier is that the whole point is to sort of keep people, you know, you push them and it's like one comedian I can remember who says like, I make a cheeseburger and whatever you take away from it, you know, I can put out the same thing and whatever you all take away is going to be your experience because it's based on your reality or what you're ready to just hear as comedy or whatever. You know, it takes an open, critical mind, I think, to really engage with that. And with that, too, by creating, I know recently or yesterday I was reading an article that was what I was trying to say is Spotify. You know, a lot of artists are saying, well, I'm getting no profit sharing from what my art is producing. And I don't know the whole story, but it has to do with the CEO or creator of Spotify using the money to invest in weapons or something. Yeah, totally. And even a lot of Canadian artists, you know, I love Big Wreck. There's Luscious, the band, and talking about how hard it is as a live music group. Sky Wallace is who we were talking about just going back. She was in The Walrus. She's really sweet. She's about to have a kid and she's still out rocking. Is it Jan Arden? No, it wasn't Jan. It wasn't an article about Walruses. Oh, that's hilarious. So it was July, The Walruses, yeah. That was pretty mean. That was pretty mean. I just, I've been, I'm so focused. I'm now getting your joke. Yeah, man, if it's sitting there. So it's, it's the, that joke was a

SPEAKER_02: 15:16

little insensitive.

SPEAKER_01: 15:19

The death, the death of the middle-class musician. Hey man, you know what? But again, this is what we're so, that's it really. Again, these are the things that are changing, right? Like, And they're changing faster than they ever have. Sky Wallace. She deserves the shout out because she's doing a lot of work for Canadian musicians. JJ Wilde was awesome. The Roadhammers, Spotify, and the use of profit sharing. And Sky Wallace was recently in an article in The Walrus, which is pretty cool. And she's about to have her baby and, you know, talking about what are the abilities to sustain yourself as a Canadian artist. and and how these you talk we talk about the media newspaper media information outlets but it seems also that these these sorts of models are i call you know late stage capitalism rentier capitalism is again everyone's looking at ourselves is the problem but again everything's being sort of drawn upwards into like a sort of ponzi scheme and so people who really want to continue to produce art and canadian culture and you know how we've gone to this partisan bipolar is like well we've been consumers of American culture as opposed to producers. You know, people even wanted to say, well, why are you trying to protect Canadian content? You're, you know, like, what do you think about that? Like, I don't know. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you everything. You know more about this than I do.

SPEAKER_02: 16:39

Well, just in general, like, so if you look at, again, it goes back to the government is involved in all the funding. So everything's done backwards here. In America, it's all about forward creating, selling, pushing it out. And in Canada, it's like, go backwards, find the funds, set up the whole back system so that everyone gets paid. Then you bring in the crew. And then four years later, you make the thing you should have made in one year. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then it's get the tax credits. It's all about get the tax credits for the project. Everything is about that. And so the way our system works is the people who are involved in these who have these salary positions, they're not taking risks because they don't have to compete. There's only however many big ones. So they just play to the middle, play safe. They hit diversity quotas, all the quotas that you need to fulfill the grants. Just be safe, right? And they create these projects and they do not give a fuck about competing. In America, there's so many different channels and so many different entertainment companies that you have to compete for those eyeballs. So you're, it's a, you know, It's actually, that's why product becomes good. In Canada, everything's, you know, play it to the middle, play it safe. So you get

SPEAKER_01: 17:58

the most mediocre, benign bullshit. That is it, right? And like the celebration of mediocrity and critical thinkers don't, because managers, again, it's human ego in a lot of cases. It's like if somebody lower, like, again, as a manager or, you know, starting your own business, I would want to hire people who are giving me some constructive, critical feedback. You want to promote those people, but it seems that we actually silence and isolate those people. But yeah, it's a conglomerate. And even as I look, you know, as I start this podcast, and that's exactly what I'm finding is, you know, TELUS has, you got to be in Alberta or BC or, and what does exist, they've got, you know, you have to wait until November to apply. And there's probably 10,000 other creators who have been doing this for years. Yeah. The system sucks. So

SPEAKER_02: 18:43

you have, unless you, if you create shit on your own, and get it out to people you know it takes risks of your own money and or sponsors or whatever but like that's an American way of thinking but you can get things done better by doing that as opposed to waiting for that now these people that create it in the traditional way they don't take risks and they don't lose per se because they're it's always just playing safe but they don't create anything great and that's

SPEAKER_01: 19:14

so it's it sucks it all fucking sucks and that's why we have 400 marvel movies and i say that too is like we've become accustomed to thinking the marvel people are going to come save us but even yesterday like my my wife loves superman i'm a batman guy but we went and saw the new superman movie it was dog shit buddy like there was nothing redeeming about it the story didn't make sense it was like oh we gave him a new suit and it's like oh well we brought in a dog And there's absolutely nothing there. And it ended. And I'm like, I just, what happened there? I just like, I might as well have just taken, you know, a K hole of, because there was not, it was just like, there's a monster and there's, oh, he grows and blows. And then it's like another thing. And it's just, it was so disconnected. And it's like the Avengers. It's like, we need all 15 of the biggest actors and they each get nine seconds of screen time. And there's 30 cuts per second. And you go back theater, you know, I don't know, even if you want to talk about, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cats, Phantom of the Opera. There's nothing original because nobody wants to take a risk on something original or something. Well, that's it. They don't want to lose their own money.

SPEAKER_02: 20:18

That is it. And it's partially, I don't know if this is it 100%, but if you look at in the 80s and 90s, for sure, and like early 2000s even, before the streaming platforms became a thing, there was a second window of distribution dollars that you could make on all of these films through rentals. And now that doesn't really exist, right? It's on these, that second window, it's kind of like what Napster did to the music industry. Yeah, that's interesting you say that. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how much these guys are making off of having their movies on Tubi or whatever, but they might be making some money. But I think it's more about, it's more at the top. The top, it's not the lower end people that are making that money. It's the big studio that will sell a bulk package of, this is our properties. We're going to sell, or we're going to license this, these, this many films to your streaming platform. And then they make the money. And that's the same way about Spotify. It's making all the fucking money. And these guys are fucking, because you should see the fucking money that these artists get. And, you know, it's hardly anything. You make money off of SiriusXM plays on a comedy album, but the money that you get from Spotify is like pennies. I think I had like a quarter of a million streams on my one album, and I fucking made dog shit

SPEAKER_01: 21:50

from

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that on Spotify.

SPEAKER_01: 21:53

I read something a long time ago. Is it something like they get... three-tenths of a cent per stream of music or something on Apple Music. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 22:00

It's insane, right? But these guys are making billions, and it's very, very crazy. And really, out of all those with Spotify, I don't know how... It probably benefits the big acts because they're big enough anyway, but even them, you look at the concert tickets are jacked up because that's where they're bridging the gap. They're not making that money anymore, so they're bridging the gap with concert tickets. Correct. And so the pricing has gone up and then you have the monopoly with, you know, Ticketmaster and Live Nation. That's an issue.

SPEAKER_01: 22:36

And just to piggyback on that, I was thinking about it earlier while you were talking is, and I mean, we went down to Denver last year and we saw Morgan Wall in Mile High Stadium. It was sick. You know, and I love before even Morgan Wallen, I don't know if you're big into country music, but Hardy, his ability to create his attitude, everything about him, like it really helped me. I like

SPEAKER_02: 22:54

throwing chairs off a hotel balcony. So

SPEAKER_01: 22:57

Morgan's all right. Yeah, yeah. So so I bring it back to Morgan Wallen or even the new Blake Shelton album. And so I like to I love music. And even when I was in high school, I buy magazines and stuff. Right. And so I always am interested in who's writing the song. And what I've realized and what I've been reading is that, you know, you get someone like Taylor. Taylor writes her own music. So maybe she's not. But you have these other you have like Blake Shelton. You have Morgan Wallen. And these guys aren't writing a lot of their songs. They might be in on it. But what I'm what's actually happening is you have these guys in Nashville who have dedicated their entire life. And so they hang on to, you know, two or three that they think could be big hits, but they get worn out. And then they're like, hey, okay, well, I'll just sell it to Morgan Wallen. And because of his clout and purchasing power and how he's backed by the industry, you know, he has the ability to purchase up all of the other artists' music and present it as his own. And then he goes on these tours, which are now filling football stadiums. Yeah. You know, and that's all part of the same thing, but nobody... And that is also harming creativity because it looks like Morgan and he's, you know, he puts on a great show. It's a power

SPEAKER_02: 24:03

vacuum, right? And it's, that happens in pretty much every industry. You know, you get like, look at the Tonight Show or all the late night shows. They have a team of writers underneath them that are, you know, they're trying to get their break, but it's nice to get a salary. And some of those guys just become that for their whole career. And that's a great job. So it's like, sometimes you might, To become big and stand up, you need to have the combination of a personality that connects with a large group or at least, you know, a big enough group of people that you can have a fan base. And then you want to have you got to have the writing and performance aspect. And then you need to have the networking and drive and business situation behind you to grow. It's a lot of these comedians that you see that are famous. I mean, if we were to go and like really break down who these people are, where they come from, a lot of them come from a lot of money to

SPEAKER_01: 24:57

be able to do standup comedy. They're not like Drake. Drake started at the bottom, you know, in Rosedale. You ever

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heard

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of

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Rosedale? Real bottom of the barrel, but it's true. Like, you know, if you look at them all, like, I mean, I could name some cause it's not like, uh, a big secret, but like, you know, Amy Schumer, look who her uncle is, you know, Chuck Schumer. These people come for money. Nick Kroll's dad's a billionaire. The Craig Fitzsimmons, like he went to the same private school as Nick Kroll. And not to say that they're not good comedians.

SPEAKER_00: 25:29

Yeah, of course. But

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a situation exists for some of these people where it's a little bit easier to live in New York City or wherever a competitive market is to focus on art where, you know, if you're working a physical labor job 12 hours a day and then trying to go out and bang open mics and write and you're at a disadvantage is all I'm saying and

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even in hockey right like Zach Hyman he's I mean I don't know him but you know you hear stories or Mitch Marner and they're like they they come from these families in Toronto or you know and Zach Hyman, I mean, a lot of kids get these opportunities and I don't want to say squander them or they don't know to appreciate them, but then you have apparently like his, you know, Hyman's ability to like focus and get it done. But again, his father, I don't know how, but again, apparently was very wealthy. Yeah,

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it costs money to play hockey. So if just to get to a level where you're playing triple A and stuff like that, the amount of expenses that come with it, just to get the equipment, let alone for a blue collar family, to afford hockey equipment now is insane. And now imagine your kid wants to play truly. The equipment's even more expensive, man. So the higher up you get in hockey in terms of like the traveling, like you said, the tournaments, the more expensive it gets. And so it's not a very inclusive sport in terms of the costs that

SPEAKER_01: 26:51

go with it. It's become kind of like polo, man. Like, you know what I mean? It's like polo is a cool sport. I watched the whole Netflix thing. I'm like, this is sick. But when you think about it, it's like, who has a horse? And then it's like, let's put croquet or whatever. It's not croquet. It's way cooler. But let's do that on a horse. You know, and even who sustains that. And again, hockey is, you know, I think probably back in the early 2000s, the closest AAA team to Bracebridge was Rama. And I think it was probably about$3,500 just to be on the team. You know, and that's way more now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So... The

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name The Predators was pretty apt. Someone was lining their pockets with these, you know, parents' hopes

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and dreams. Oh, dude, they still do. And that's it is, you know, the older generation sort of imparting this sort of pipe dream on a kid. And it's just like, man, you know, to go do that seven days a week, you know, that's a it's a lifestyle. But well, it's

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it isn't yet to try it. You have to, I guess, usually you have to identify pretty early if this kid's got a shot at it. And then half of that isn't really going to be, the kid really has to love it. Oh, that's. We have friends who've played pro hockey and like, I don't want to name the names, but like I watched this guy.

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Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky, Peter

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Forsberg. But I watched this kid not have a childhood. You know what I mean? Because he was like in hockey. We're all at the cottage and he's dry land training. It's like the kid's fucking 13. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01: 28:24

I know. And that's why I don't want to, you know, I wanted to do men's league. But then even soccer, man, like you get these guys who are like, oh, I would have been Pele. It's like, no, dude. I would have been Pele. You know what I mean? They act like it. And then they are to be the one that really blows my mind is Major League Baseball. to go spend an entire weekend at the Diamond. And like these guys play, what is it, 151 games or is it something? It's a lot. But that's what I'm saying. Every single day, that's your whole life. And it's just that level is the wise man at the top of the mountain. And one guy finally gets up there and he's like, how'd you get up here? You're alone. He's like, he built the mountain.

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Yeah.

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You know, and that's what I'm realizing about the podcast. Like we were talking a little bit about that is you got to put a little bit into it and you just keep building. And all right, I'm going to do it. but yeah it's turning it's enjoyable and it's you know connecting and getting these stories and that's it is I think people just through mass media and everyone this pop culture has almost become imposing as like there's no choice and so when people get a chance especially with local faces and I think in my own research that as we move forward that local people and communities are going to have to matter more than the internet you know like there's going to have to be a local you know embrace bridge it's like okay well who's who and who can we trust and build information that's meaningful for us and that's what we're doing right because we're all looking externally like as to some definition of how to live or what we should laugh at but it's like we're all like we want to laugh but we're deciding not to yeah

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well what do you i mean it's sort of uh how do i put it it's tough for for getting information now and Canadian information because of what happened with Trudeau putting that I guess he froze out the you know the big social media platforms like you know they all said fuck you we're not paying right is that what happened

SPEAKER_01: 30:20

well I'm just trying there was the thing when like when they cut off the sharing of the links on Facebook yes yeah yeah that hurt

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a lot of these local media places I agree yeah yeah it's been it's been rough watching them like I know the people that run these I know I know things up here and like watching these these traditional media small town outlets get killed by this has been pretty sad and it's it's tough you don't you don't get that information locally so

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and the funding the funding right like and we're getting hit with all American fucking media now and well and this is it is like what what we're all like and we all have digital media and phones so it's like what is actually accessible and easy it's like well I have an iPhone there's there's not brace bridge media and music But we got Apple. So everyone's just like, well, this is what I got. So we've become inundated. And everything that we look at, I mean, I always say is like, yeah, going through the pandemic, I came out and said a lot of stuff politically. But again, I think it was misconstrued because I was really trying to come from a human position of caring, not either one way or another, but based on the information I had and trying to say, I think that if we have this version and again, there's problems everywhere. But without the 40 million Canadians behind the change, we're not going to be able to do anything. And so when we go back to something like the cancellation, I agree because it did it hurt everybody. But that is like everything else these days with cancellation, right? It's like, well, well, we don't know what to say. So just shut it down. It's the mental health thing and stigma with suicide and mental health is like, we don't know what to do. But you know what? If we just talk, it's like we don't need a solution today. But if We just sat down and talked about it. We could probably come up with some pretty decent ideas.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if I'm just rambling or if there's some sense in that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know anything. But that's it. I don't know anything either. I think what I'm saying is the blanket response to canceling that, like saying, well, we need to cancel this. People are getting misinformed. It's like prohibition of liquor. You just had it go underground. Yeah. But they didn't.

SPEAKER_02: 32:26

Did they cancel the media because of that or because they just wanted more money from the big? They felt that they should be paying like Google and Facebook.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.

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I see. I see. It wasn't about shutting down misinformation. It was more. Now, it was. I think it was from a selfish standpoint of Justin Trudeau. It was probably a good thing because he was getting hammered. by all those media places. If he can quiet things down that way, it doesn't hurt. But he guised it as a, it was the money play was what kept, what made them stop, what made them stop doing it. Yeah, yeah. But that was maybe a way to shut people the fuck up about, you know, criticism.

SPEAKER_01: 33:10

Well, and again, and I think a lot of people through my post thought I was always like pro Trudeau and it wasn't. It was with the knowledge I also have of following this stuff for like over 20 years and on both sides. And it's not to go back into any of that because it doesn't matter because it was about moving forward in a way because what I think what we were talking about earlier with the conglomeration and the way up, I just had enough information on the other side to say that's we're not going to get anywhere better that way. And even though we're screwed, I was trying to say within the system we have, I think what will give us more options now and I don't know maybe people and it's it's never being for me it's not about being right and I think that gets misconstrued and why I started Canadian grade it's not really for my ego it's like because what I as a teacher and an educator at heart like as a kid I was like ADHD and everyone questions questions questions and part of it is like when you act out of care it's like hey be aware of this you know And then I'm not saying I have a crystal ball, you know, so it gets misconstrued. And this is the environment we're in. And so the ability to dialogue because nobody ever said, well, I'm not a Trudeau shoe licker at all. I really liked him when he got elected. But when you started to hear all this stuff about Chrystia Freeland, Jane Philpott, and so she quit the government. And so there were a lot of things actually about Trudeau. And towards the end, his manipulation and things like this, it could be to hold on to power. And that's, I think, internally why they decided. To kill

SPEAKER_02: 34:45

Barry and Honey Sherman?

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Buddy, I don't know how you knew what I was going to say, but that story sits in my mind. Did you see the documentary about that? I'm not saying that they did that. I'm not saying they did that, but there's some conspiracies out there. Dude, can't be held for liable for what you didn't say, my friend. The pizza gate. No one's going to get held accountable in this country. No, the lizard people. No, and that's a huge thing, dude, is accountability. And I think like anywhere right now, and that's a huge issue with the Internet, too, you know, and how do you do we want or do we need accountability? Because, again, we talk about common sense, but with no accountability, that it's true. And you go around and I think a lot of people and it was sort of like hyper blown up by the pandemic is this disdain that a lot of people, you know, When we were kids, man, I don't know, there was even in Brace, smaller town, hard to tell, but there was this sense of, and I think it's with the boom of population, there's this like anonymous, you know, so many people now, it's hard to know everybody. Like, and so that's again what...

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There isn't a sense of community in the town that we grew up in now. It's big enough that you don't have to know everyone. It's very fragmented, I find.

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Well, and that's it, and that's what's happening in the schools, everywhere else is that there's that loss of connection, you know? And that's what I think is part of the remedy back. What I was saying earlier is we're going to have to do these grassroots finding local sources and trustworthy people and having our own grassroots media that people can find something that they can connect to locally.

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Well, and I'll take it back to comedy here for a minute.

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No, no, no. Keep it there.

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When we talk about the CBC and how most of the comedy festivals that have the televised galas and stuff like that, those used to be a big deal because you get on Winnipeg Comedy Festival and you get like a national platform for your, whatever, your five minute, six minute standup set. It was like a, you know, like a late night show. That was like our version of getting a good late night show set was if you can get on Just for Laughs or Winnipeg or Halifax Comedy Festival. But there was only like four or five of them, right? But that was when people didn't have the internet the same way.

SPEAKER_01: 37:05

And you turned on CBC in July to watch the Just for Laughs comedy guys because it was like that's where you could see it.

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The internet was on your computer, not your phone. The internet jumping to your phone is a whole other game, right? Because now it's in your hand all the time. You just have to at least log on to watch it. It'd be the same as sitting down at your TV, right? So that used to be a thing. And then, so because comedy and everything in Canada is very left-leaning, and because the media was very left-leaning during that pandemic, you see a comedian come along, like, I don't know if you're familiar with Ben Bankus, but Ben Bankus is a Toronto guy, he's a buddy of mine, who's, he's absolutely blown up from the pandemic before the pandemic it was very very like you know he was just kind of starting to headline with like yuck yucks and stuff like that and then he found his audience during that wave of of the pandemic and he found like a crowd he started off as sort of i think it was a crowd of young people who were very disenfranchised with being locked down Well, this is everywhere.

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This is it.

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No one liked being locked down, but young people, there's like a selfishness of youth where you're like, like, I should be allowed to go see my friends. You know what I mean? And I want, I just want to hang out with my friends. And that's how you would feel. But that's by, in my research, it's a biological

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need. It's genetic. It's not, it's attachment. It's social. It's Gabor Mate. It's real. It's real.

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No, exactly. You're going to feel that way, especially if you're young. And then the older people are like, maybe like, hey, maybe we should like just wait and be play it safe here to make sure that everyone's OK. They

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forget they were ever young, you know, like, yeah,

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there is that. And then so so they were doing these like park shows, like outdoor park shows, and they're getting huge crowds. And then they're doing like these underground shows and like, you know, and so young people are attracted to that for, you know, a lot of them. And he built up. pretty quickly online because he's very critical of Trudeau very critical of Teresa Tam and all these people and he made fun of them mercilessly and his comedy was definitely more leaning to the right and there just hasn't been anyone that's focused in on those Core issues that are pissing people off

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on that side of the aisle. And this is the democracy. Yeah, when we're talking about politics, like when we're moving forward, it's exactly that. And I think why I wanted to do this is because I understand. And you go to rural areas versus suburbs. And as I've done my own learning, you go through Canadian history, like Ryerson, who got canceled. I wrote an amazing paper on him. They're just products of their time. And he was doing what he could do to mobilize people. Do you remember...

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Back in the day, if someone was being a fucking douchebag, you could just punch them in the fucking head. Yep. Remember that? Well, there was a lot of people that is holding

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back those head punches for how many years? But it's not, and you know what is like, and people are like, well, what you're saying is not true. It's like, but it is. We've implemented these thought processes that are socially constructed, and we're now overrunning thousands of years of human biology, of tribal living. And it all goes back, dude, in 2011, they proved that all humanity came out through the Arab Peninsula from Africa into the Middle East. And then the whole planet went from there and that we're 99.9% genetically the same. And it's just like, when you look at all of this and all of the things that are fragmenting us, we need to bring it back to basics, you know, and just like...

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Look how excited everyone is about that fight, the golf fight that Nick Tarnaski got in with the guy. You saw that, right? Of course, everyone saw it. But he's being a douchebag. He's given so many chances to get out of it, and then he gets pumped, and everyone is fired up about it. It just feels good to see someone that deserves to get their ass kicked get their ass kicked.

SPEAKER_01: 41:34

and say and there was there's something to say stupid things win stupid prizes and that there that goes back to what we were saying earlier on accountability is like if you're willing to and part of the ninja keyboarding or warrior keyboarding I can go on and attack Tyler and Jamie and all these guys think they're alpha or whatever but it's like no no no man like the way you and me were raised at the hockey you know or the you know like man at three o'clock you remember down at the bus stop And then there'd be like 500 kids and then the kids, and then all of a sudden the circle would go boom. And there's just two guys socking each other. And it also, but my whole point earlier with the evolution of people is feels good to watch. Well, dude, the Colosseum people I teach in Rome, they literally like launched guys across the whole thing. Like it crashed. They put a guy inside of a steel bowl. and steamed him alive and rolled him around so that while he died, his cries came out like the roar of a bull. And thousands of people are there cheering, right? So we need these energetic outlets.

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Oh, for sure. And then the way that they've... I mean, look at hockey. Hockey's a great example. The way they've neutered the game of hockey so that there's very little fighting. Football, you can't hit the quarterback the way you used to. Basketball, everything's a foul. Yeah, so they've softened our sports, and sports were sort of like the... That was like the fan aggression outlet too, right? Just to see that and to live vicariously through that. It's like, okay. In my

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MA, I had this amazing prof, dude. He's written three or four, three books, I believe, on how specifically football in Europe. He's an English guy, Dr. Alan McDougall. He was an amazing professor. He was my master's advisor. And one of my courses was a European history of sport. And we did a whole unit on hooliganism in soccer. And like the mobs and these guys. And again, you look all through time and how the state used sport, especially in totalitarian and communist regimes. Very interesting stuff. Like, man, we were sitting there one day. We did a whole thing on the tour to France. And all these guys back in the 20s were just snorting cocaine. Wild. Oh, yeah, yeah. But again, it's just like sport and all of this. It's true. Now we've gotten this idea of what it should be. Doing nose beers off your banana seat.

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Yeah. Bring back the banana seat.

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Nose beers on the banana seat. Hollywood's Macho Man Randy Savage.

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That's my whole algorithm is just Macho Man Randy

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Savage impressions. Dude, it's all in his brother videos. The cream rises to the top, brother. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I think people, the external censorship, too, has become internal. Like, people in their own mind, I think we've all sort of come to believe in a way that people can read our thoughts. So... When you hear an offside joke that people would have used to, you know, you would laugh at, you're like, oh, people are like, and then they really fragment because they want to laugh. But in their mind, they're like, oh, I shouldn't laugh at this joke. Yeah. But really, there's a release in feeling it.

SPEAKER_02: 44:39

Well, in comedy, and I'd say it was probably around 2013. This is when you started feeling crowds really start to tighten up.

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Oh,

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yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because I started when I was 18, so it would have been the end of 2002 when I started. And back then, you could just go on stage and you could open with like a fucking dark, dirty joke and it would just hit. The crowd was ready for it. You know

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what I mean? Absolutely.

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They're loose, right? But then all of a sudden, around 2012, 2013, people started getting wound up. And it was kind of the original Twitter, people getting canceled. It just kind of started there. had started there and it became it filtered into the audience being like oh I don't know if I should laugh at this because I don't want to be seen laughing at something inappropriate and so they're always looking around it's just like like if you do comedy at a corporate event and it's like a whole company there they all look to the boss to see if the boss is laughing exactly and if the boss laughs it's okay well now it's like in the club and they're looking around like I don't know it's that peer review Yeah, so I found that, like, with what I was doing, I had to get a lot better at, I call it, like, you got to break their guard. It used to be a freebie. They're ready to go. But then sometimes you just got to, like, do enough stuff that you have to make them trust you right away. Nice. You got to make them trust you, and then you start getting permission. You build out your base. Yeah, and to go further, right? They have to know that you're good. But back in the day, you could just come up and say something fucking wild and they'd be on board already. But you got to get them to let their guard down. The crowds have been, they're getting a bit looser now, I think, since the

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pandemic. It's coming back. And that's, yeah, I'm feeling that for sure that things have changed like very rapidly. And there's been this release and people generally I'm finding are happier and coming out. I'm seeing people at festivals and things that I've been going to more. But look at the comedians that

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are huge right now. The comedians that are huge, they're selling arenas when they come to Canada, but in the States and everywhere. But they're all politically incorrect comics. All pretty far, you know, they'll go far. Like Schultz, Andrew Schultz, selling out arenas. Shane Gillis selling out arenas. Those guys are pretty big time. And Tim Dillon selling big venues. So all these comics that got huge over the pandemic or just before, it was just all kind of, These guys are selling big rooms now, but they're all American. There are no Canadians that are selling huge venues other than Russell Peters, who is a product of sort of the old model. Actually, he's not an old model. He's the original viral comedian.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. When did that all start? Like, would you say, like, when was he, 03, 04? I'm trying to think. Yeah,

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probably around, like, 03, yeah, 04. That's when... Actually, I'll tell that story. I heard the story from... a comedian named Ron Jostle, who, if you don't know Ron Jostle, he's Canadian. He's very fucking funny. Filipino comic. And he was touring with Russell. This was before Russell was famous. Russell, I think he was just sort of maybe had one foot out the door with Yuck Yucks. He was a headliner with the Yuck Yucks comedy club chains for years. He was just trying to figure out the next phase I'm pretty sure his dad had just passed away he was kind of Russell was in sort of a tough place

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yeah he told a lot of jokes about his dad right his dad was a big part of it yeah yeah

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yeah and he was I think Russell was sort of like in in limbo career-wise if maybe I'm wrong Russell can tell me but but the story that Ron tells is they were going to do some gigs in China and they get on the plane and they're like wow this is like Amazing. These seats were in first class. Like they, no one ever flies us first class and we're going to China. So that's a pretty long flight. So that's like a nice deal, right? Yeah, of course. They get over there. The hotel is top shelf. Wow, this is great. Whatever. Car comes to pick them up to take them to the gig, going over to the venue. And as they're coming around the corner, there's this huge lineup of people like lined up around the block. They got signs like Russell Peters signs, all this shit. And they're like, what's going on here? Like, are we being punked? Like, that's exactly. Really? In China. In China. And then they go into the backstage and Russell's like, hold on a second. Like, how many people are out here? And he says like this crazy number, the producer, promoter guys. Like, there's like, I don't know how many. There's like thousands of people. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you? It's like, why? What's going on? He goes, haven't you heard? Like. Do you know what YouTube is? And he's like, no.

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Never heard of it.

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He didn't know YouTube. And he's like, it's on the internet. A guy put your comedy video on there and it went viral. Man. You're the most famous comedian in the world right now.

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Good internet. He didn't even know. Classic internet days,

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man. But sometime between him traveling over there, this thing blows up. That's wild. And he doesn't even know it. Yeah. That type is like that type of pandemonium and fandom starting to happen. And then he's like, so Russell quickly does a tally of how much the tickets are and how many people he's like, he's like, I need this much to even go on stage, dude. And Ron's like, yeah. And I need this much. And he's like, Ron, you can go fucking home. I'll take the 500 bucks. I'll take the 500 bucks. I want to stay. I'm just kidding. I was just kidding. But, but it was like overnight that happens. And then when he gets back, it's like, They're bringing them down to LA. CAA is taking... Everyone's courting them. All the major agents are trying to get them. And they're like... CAA, I think, was like, who's your dream celebrity that you would like to have dinner with? He's like, oh, Gene Simmons from Kiss. It's like, we're at Gene Simmons' mansion that night having dinner. And it's just all these people competing for him. Pandemonium. But it went viral over that. But the guys who... who kind of had the new comedy boom with podcasts and stuff that have happened. Those guys are all pretty edgy comics, the Schultzes, the Gillesses, Tim Dillons. And so in Canada, there's no big ones. Tony Hinchcliffe's another with the Kill Tony. But in Canada, where is this? All of our comedians have been fed into this system of mediocrity where it's like, Oh, we got to line up on the trough to try and get on Winnipeg Comedy Festival. No diss against against them. Like, they're all good people. But it's like it's not the same. Like, we're playing into the wrong system here. We need to have a different. There's no podcast that you can just go on in Canada. That's a huge podcast. It's going to, like, get your fans up. That's right. You got to go to, you know, you got to get the Rogan bumper. You got to go

SPEAKER_01: 51:31

on. Yeah. Well, the American ones are big. There's nothing here. With Sky Wallace. And that's what I'm saying is like, we need to develop a Canadian model. Yeah. That doesn't quite exist. And it's like the same thing as like a local Canadian stream. And it's going to probably have to come from, you know, I think private funds and a collaboration or like almost like a co-op. There's no big

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podcast in Canada where it's like,

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where it's like, that's the show. That's the show to go on. Canadian grit. Canadian grit, baby. You got to come on. You're here, man. You're the guy. You're making it something. You're, uh, you're giving people, you're, you're setting the standard here, man. It's pretty good.

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Well, I

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mean,

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it's, uh, it's tough to get, it's tough to break through. Like you're in a, again, we're, we are in podcast world. It is an oversaturated market for podcasts too. So

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you have to, but we're oversaturated with talent and raw, good looks, buddy. So I do everything. I like our odds. Yeah. Yeah. And that's it is. And I want to provide something that isn't again, I, because I, If I just say, oh, hello, I'm Jamie. Let me tell you about my thoughts. It's like, that's not my idea. Because ultimately, when I started this too, it was about getting different messages out. And I saw a lot of really the vitriol we talked about earlier with the election. And with the current format of Facebook, and you know, especially people who I care about, and I was trying, you know, it's hard, especially through text and social media, things just like with Russell Peters, something you get sick and just get taken out of soundbites or And then, so this, I'm like, okay, we need a space where you can present these because ultimately Tyler, you, me, and everybody else that we know could sit down and have the best day ever. And if nobody mentioned government politics, it would be the greatest day ever. Oh yeah. My goal is to, I really want to just do everything. I love to make videos. I love to tell jokes. I love music and to make sort of a learning hub. My website's coming where people can come and it's sort of democratically built. And it's going to take, because, this idea of there's a lot of talent in America and it's what we've become accustomed to, but we also need to realize that we can go out, you know, half hour within our home and see a guy, you know, and support somebody. And then that's meaningful. But as a consumer, you know, that whole going out, and I think that might have also been busted up by COVID too, right? Like not going out and the fear of this, I think maybe, and you can say in your show. I'll tell you what it is. And in your shows, have you seen more people coming out? Go ahead with whatever you were going to say, though.

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Well, I think it hurt overall because especially in the small towns, in the cities, you're okay because there's just a big enough population. To sustain it. To sustain these, you know, and there's enough people that want to get back out. But in the small towns during COVID and lockdowns, people just became accustomed to drink in their garages. Yeah, man. And they just stayed in that mode. So I think like getting people to actually go out in small towns is a lot harder. It's, it's actually not

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as easy. There's a lot of grief still, man. There's a lot of undone with shit, you know, fuck. And that's the other thing too, is like, we, we need to normalize that too and realize, Hey man, yeah, We were all going through a lot. There was fear, there was health, there was family, there was death. And again, let's try and not just dwell there, but it's like, this is okay. So what, you know, and let's move and build something. So the next time it's not like that.

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It's very constrictive. That's, that's what, you know, you think about people who are in prison and like how they must feel having their freedom taken away, but like

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just a lot. Are you speaking from experience?

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No, I've never actually been, I've never even been arrested before. Never been arrested before. I thought I heard you did a dime, man. No? No, no, no, buddy. That was my, that was an AI clone. Yeah. We

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know what you did.

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But the lockdowns were constrictive. It just felt like it was very like suffocating to be.

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Oh, dude, yeah.

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You know, just mentally, just mentally, you know, I can't go out and do what I normally do. So you think about people that maybe don't have a big house or they have,

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you know. Oh, dude, those small apartments, like on a date, you know, it's hot out there. And, you know, people were literally dying, like in Rome and in Greece and in these places where they don't have AC and they're living in stone buildings. People in old folks' homes here were dying, you know. No joke. And so families, people are still fucking mangled. You know, people lost parents, uncles, brothers, sisters. And so... that's it is like part of the healing and i'm like that's why i think it's so important what you're doing and i want it to be you know my show our show canadian grid is i'm a vehicle just to bring these voices all together and i like i just am trying to put myself out there into and inspire because again having grown up and seeing you embrace bridge again people might not really know even embrace bridge now what it was like back then but my parents grew up embrace bridge They were born there. My grandparents grew up there, my, you know, and well-established. So when you went out to the grocery store with your mom, it was like, oh God, it was three hours because you saw everybody you knew, right? But that also kept you grounded and you knew people. And when you went out, you acted a certain way and there was trust, you know, but that's it. In my own travels around the world and interacting with people, I was, and you know, you've been a lot of places. I think 99.9% of people want to help you and do good. But again, forget about, We're also, you know, Iran, Israel. And it's not that it doesn't matter, but like we got enough here to worry about. We're just talking about what we were, you know, seeing in Thunder Bay. And you know what I'm saying? So there's enough that we can take care of here locally. And I think that can help us feel empowered to support Tyler and other musicians who are locally adding something.

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Yeah, you got to get out and go to events and be part of your community, even if you're... Show up. Yeah, showing up. it's even like, even I'm even guilty of it. Like I have my career takes me all different places. So when I'm home, I'm kind of like landlocked here. I don't go out to the, you know, to a lot of, things unless it's my kids stuff but like there are things like i should socialize socialize a little bit more in my own community but i don't because i'm a fucking johnny hotshot

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buddy buddy stands at the end of his lawn he's got headshots neighbor walks up he's like yeah no i only do personalized sorry buddy just sign him on my kid's lemonade stand exactly kids trying to make 10 cents on the lemonade and you're just you're out selling that's the invisible hand man I think my wife gets recognized more

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than me, but she's a teacher, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't get recognized out.

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She sends you to the LCBO so nobody knows what's going on.

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They know me there.

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They know me.

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I got a couple of good stories I'll tell. There's one, my brother gave his ID to one of our friends who was a little younger than us back in the day. And he looked a little bit like him. I used

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my oldest brother's, yeah.

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Yeah, we're like, just don't use this in Bracebridge. Don't use it in our town. Like, it's not going to work, right? Sure enough, one day, we're all drinking in my parents' house, in my parents' basement. I get a phone call. Tyler, it's Jackie from the beer store. I'm like, hey, what's up? Shout out to Jackie. I love Jackie. Jackie is like, again, you talk about small town, small town, the heartbeat. She'll call your shit. Yeah. I love it. Oh, she's a heartbeat of this community right there. You need people like that everywhere you go. Absolutely. Jackie's the best. And so she calls me up. She's like, Tyler, someone is using your brother's ID, some moron. I don't know. Like, did he steal it? I'm like, oh, of course he stole it. Yeah, yeah. She's like, I told

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him.

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I told him that ID is no good here, buddy. The Morsons come in here every day. I'm

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like, yeah, we do come in every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. She's like, I'm not letting anybody screw with that. Yeah, man, that's hilarious. A classic story. Yeah, and then that.

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Oh, yeah. Then I was talking about like, you know, getting recognized. So I don't I don't I'm on TV once in a while because of the I did the Roast Battle Canada show. So sometimes I have people come out to the shows because I've seen that. But it's on, you know, Bell for like a I don't know how it airs a couple of times a year. Right. And then it'll go on to Crave. And how many people are watching it on Crave? I don't know. But. I do get some fans that come out and I'm always like a little surprised. Well,

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and the other thing too, yeah, let me know and I'll be watching and I can help spin that stuff out to whoever I can affect, you know, or impact. Absolutely.

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But then I go to, oh, we went to Andrew Schultz's headlining at Scotiabank Arena and I was opening on the shows on that tour before that, like the Niagara Falls and Windsor ones at the... Casinos there? Yeah, the casinos. Man, that's big.

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Good

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for you. That's awesome. Thank you. Yeah, so I was doing those shows. And then he has a couple of dudes, Mark Gagnon and Derek Poston, hilarious guys. They tour them all over the world, right? So in Canada, I get on some of those. But they were coming in as his first arena show. So they were opening on that one. But Schultz hooked me up with tickets and the works, you know, obviously. Yeah, cool. Which is super cool. And so Jenna and I went down, my wife, we go down to watch the show. It was our anniversary. And it's great. We're walking in, though. and we're walking to Scotiabank Arena, and I hear someone go, Tyler, and I look over naturally, and it was just someone whose order was up for French fries at the restaurant, and my wife just starts giving me shit. She's like, they aren't calling you. No one knows you here. I'm like, oh, come on. They said my name. I'm going to look. It's like an instinct. I don't think I'm... You

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just go over and you sign that little chit that they hang from the little man, you know, the orders up and you just go over and you sign your name. You're like, you wink at the guy and you go take your seat.

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So I'm, so I'm getting, so I'm getting beat up for that. Well, we go into, into the arena area. We get our seats. There's no one around us at this time. We're a little bit earlier. And so I'm like, okay, I'm going to go get a beer. I go back out. I get a beer. When I come back out now, there's people that are in our row beside us. And this one dude that's sitting beside me, I come in. sit down he looks at me and he's like oh my god tyler fucking morrison are you fucking killing me you're fucking awesome dude yeah and he's he's hyping me up so

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big oh yeah i'm like you're like you're slipping him some money right yeah yeah i couldn't have planned it better i couldn't have planned how do you like that hey jenna can you take a picture of me and my uh biggest fan here yeah

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it was like god smiled upon me and then To make it even better, the people on the other side of her were like, oh my God, you're Tyler Morrison? They knew me too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So all the people in that, it just so happened to be out of the 20,000 people in the arena, the two people on either side of us did know who I was from comedy. That was just priceless. Oh, absolutely. That doesn't happen every day. So it was just kind of perfect that after I was getting... Getting shit on.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:42

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Keeping you humble. That's too funny. But, man, that's got to feel good when you feel that, though, right? Because, I mean, you've been working hard at this a long time. You're like 23 years, right?

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Yeah, yeah. You don't get the... Again, in Canada, it's often... This is pretty common is you don't get recognized until you've made it in the U.S. Then Canada embraces you. That is sort of the story. Yeah, yeah.

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And it's true.

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I think... I think we have an opportunity as Canadians to change that and rewrite that. It's just how that happens. I don't know. And

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again, yeah. And like you go back to 2016 when Gord Downie died and, you know, he came on and Trudeau was there and that, and, you know, and that was, I think part of it was there was this movement of almost hope, you know, you go back to Jack Layton in 2011, there was that orange wave. And I think people had real hope. And then 2013, after the Arab Spring, and I think that's when politicians realized the power of social media. You know, we had like Gaddafi getting murked. You had the start of the war in Syria because people use social media to try and rise up. And that actually was quelled back by Russia and Iran in different places. It's complicated. But I see that as because, again, you say 2013, everyone started tightening up. And I see that as when the, you know, a lot of really elite rich realized they were they need to get social media under control. And that also led to a lot of what we're looking at. And that's a centralization. And what what we're talking about, actually, is I believe the lifeblood of Canadian democracy like this seems to a lot of people like, oh, you know, I'm just going to keep supporting America. But it's like, no, no, no, because protecting what is the Canadian culture? I don't know. And if it's maybe it's not important to people, I don't know. But like you say, what you were saying is about that. I just wanted to add to what you're saying.

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I don't know how we can create, you know, it's always, can we create a star system here? I don't know if it's about creating a star system. It's about creating the infrastructure for people to have their voices heard and to grow. And you look at, again, it comes back to what are the traditional social media platforms that we use? Well, we're using Instagram and Facebook. Okay. And the... Up until more recently, they used to be open, pretty wide open. You'd go viral with a video pretty good, pretty regularly. It would just go out. Now they tightened up the restrictions on the algorithms so that they want you to boost the post. It's all money now. Everything is controlled by ads.

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Well, that said, even I put stuff out and it's like, oh, whatever you have like, boost this for$56. Yeah.

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Yeah, and so they want you to pay. And once you pay, then they know that you're a guy that pays. Once you pay, they know that you've paid, so now they want you to do it on everything. So your shit starts going out to less and less people unless you pay. And it's a really, really tough system to navigate now. And then you got TikTok. TikTok's going to become more like this, but TikTok, you can still go a little bit more organically.

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I don't have a TikTok account. I don't know. Yeah.

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Well, you can go more organically viral, but, I mean, it is a spy ad.

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Yeah, yeah. What is it, man? I got four cats. They're alien spies, man.

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They all are. It's like, okay, if you want to know about what I'm up to, I don't give a fuck. Exactly.

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I'm posting everything. Roombas are going around the house and uploading pictures of, like, people taking a shit. I'm like, oh, God, man, you do not want to see. You should see some of the upskirt shots they've got of me. You do not want to see what I've been cleaning up with my Roomba, buddy.

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Yeah. So it's, but yeah, TikTok's one that's like, you know, they bring in the monetization and anytime they bring in monetization into these apps, you start noticing that they're starting to fuck with you. YouTube, it's all ad stuff. Like it's tightened up the restrictions. So when is a platform going to come along that's uncensored that you can really go viral organically? But it has to have the bulk of people like people have to migrate to it for you to to get popular. So

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X is kind of that right now. But people left Twitter on Matt. They said they were going to when Elon took over and made it X. But then again, you had like blue sky and elephant or something. There were all these other sort of similar things, but they just didn't catch fire. I don't think, you know, that like. Twitter is really good for, you know, but again, a lot of things have been taken via the problem of bots.

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There's a political element to that still. Like there's a political thing with, there's a political divide between, you know, and stigma with X.

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Because it's like driving a Tesla. All of a sudden people who bought Teslas 10 years ago are somehow fucking Elon supporters. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly. So there's, you know, if you look at my social media, I have my most followers on X from before, like from back in, you know, 2012, 2013.

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Like that's when

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I got a lot of followers on there. And then, but, you know, it's not my best platform for me, even though it's more uncensored.

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I haven't been going mega viral on there. And actually, so a lot of my research is on digital media and I'm reading Marshall McLuhan, famous Canadian from the 60s. Dude, I've just like busted. I just got like five of his books because I'm getting towards the end of my PhD and I want to do a lot of work with his stuff. Because what you're talking about earlier with the phones, you know, that's the way he saw TVs. But in the 60s, dude, it blows your mind. He's talking about how, you know, you probably heard the medium is the message. And again, the medium being the phone. But the part of the message is often misunderstood. It's complicated, but it's basically how does the media that we use impact how we live? So when you look at going from, say, radio or reading, when you look at a physical newspaper or a book, it's linear. There's something. But within the realm of social media, too, is like I can see you on a post. Sorry, okay. Yep, sorry.

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There's a big spider crawling on my wall. I was

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going to kill it. Shoot it. He just

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went under. He just went under something. I

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got to wait for him to fuck up. Yeah, he's going to come back. He's going to get me. He's going to go up your leg, dude. Spiders. Yeah. Is it a big one?

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Big enough that I don't like them. Yeah, I don't like that. I didn't have anything to kill them with. What do you like? Do you like dog spiders? Oh, those are scary. Those are scary. This one's a bit smaller. All

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right.

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Yeah.

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Dude, I respect it, man. You show respect to that spider. Fucking. Yeah. What's that? Yeah, arachnophobia. Jeff Daniels. Was he in that? I think, yeah. Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum? He was the fly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Arachnophobia might have been Jeff Daniels. It's been a while.

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But yeah, so the message is how the media changes our perception, right? So I often, and I keep talking, I always talk about Ready Player One, but if things don't really change, it wouldn't surprise me if that's the way we sort of end up, if you've seen that movie. Yeah. But like when you when you're talking about comedy and you're I think when you look at even X versus Instagram, it's more linear. It's really text based. And I think also that's why you would find maybe older generations like Facebook more than Instagram or, you know. Yeah. And so in the 60s, Marshall McLuhan saying this lack of linearity, when you start to put and you look at and I'm like, just this is a one page that I just opened to last night. I'm thinking about. he's describing social media and the fragmentation of how, like there could be 30 videos side by side. So I can go and watch 30 reels that are 30 seconds, but it doesn't create anything in a narrative arc for me to take meaning out of it. So people were literally just sort of become zombies. Yeah. And it's just passive. And it's like, they're, It's actually a desire and thirst to be seen and to find knowledge, I think.

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But

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it's the attachment.

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This is interesting. I was actually watching something that Quentin Tarantino was talking about. Who's that? He actually made the movie Four Rooms. He was one of the people. And Armageddon, I think. So Tarantino was talking about Yellowstone and how he really enjoyed watching Yellowstone or whatever. And like, cause it, you know, it's, these characters are all entertaining and, you know, you watch from one to the next, but

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then modern Dallas or something.

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And it looks like a movie. It's shot very cinematically and Kevin Costner's great and all that. And

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then it's all good looking. Feel the dreams, buddy.

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But he goes back and he says, like, but then there's, like, how come I watch, like, these great Western movies from the past and I can remember everything about them, but I can't remember anything from Yellowstone? Like, you don't remember the plot? You know what I mean? It's so... He

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was also high on cocaine.

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Yeah, but it's the consumption of those shows are disposable, like, because the storylines always change, right? That's right. It's more of a soap opera. Like, there isn't anything... Because it's always something new and everything's changing each time, you don't really hold on

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to that. That's the superhero movies, right? Captain America, well, let's make him black. And that's not to be racist, but you haven't developed or created anything memorable. And when the first Deadpool came out, everyone's like, whoa, because he was swearing, he was breaking down that fourth wall and talking to the audience. He was being rude and crude, right? And there's this... Even if people aren't out the one aren't the ones out telling the jokes. But I wanted to say this earlier. It's just coming back. But because of this pent up, I say to people now, dude, go on to Amazon and watch something from the early 2000s. Right. And you're talking about how it was freebies when you went on stage. And last year, I want one of the shows. I love it. And, you know, I just finally got into it was it's always sunny in Philadelphia. And I'm sitting there on my my Bowflex bike. What up, Bowflex? And Michael Polanco, this is my Bowflex body. So, yeah, maybe we'll get a sponsorship out of that. I don't know. But I was watching It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. And within I want to in the first episode, I want to say within the first five minutes, there's a hard R. No. And again, like when you look at retard or N-word. No N-word. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Which one are you talking about? And I was just like, boom. And even American Pie. You know, and, you know, I don't know. You watch, they now have cultural warnings before them. And for guys like you and me, you know, you watch, you know, watching hockey, the way hockey was, the way aggression was, the way pop culture was. And then all of a sudden that changed. And I think, honestly, a lot of young men especially is something that I worry about men in general. And again, there's there's been that lack of, you know, if you're not playing sports and it's aggression is as valid as any or anger is as good of anything else. Right. And I say for thousands of years, men and women hunter gatherers, we've got too much energy. We used to go we didn't eat for days. You'd walk, you know, 40 kilometers and chase the herd. And now we've got everything. And it's just like people like, oh, I'm so tired. And it's like, no, no, no. You actually have too much energy and you're not you're not actually fulfilling what we used to do. And like even just the tribal thoughts like, oh, I'm a Canadian. I can't be racist and a colonialist. It's like, no, no, no, man. I've been to Tanzania and I've been chased into a store with a guy who a local guy who was my guide. And I needed a pair of zip off pants because it was the temperature. I didn't pack for the, you know, the climate properly, the one pair of pants. And so my guide, Anderson, takes me into the city of Arusha and I get out of the Jeep and he's like, stay by me. And I'm like, OK, it's a safe place. But again, there was this guy who just came wandering up and he starts screaming at me in Swahili. I got chased into a store by the guy, Guy Anderson, my guide. He was just like, oh, he's asking why I'm helping in Mzunga. And the Mzunga is a Swahili word for like the white man. You know, and again, it's just everywhere. And it's not just unique to us in Canada. And I think it's healthy to like have these outlets. And that's why I think like, you know, and I love chatting with you and pumping comedy because I love stand-up comedy. But again, you look at Netflix, you look at Amazon. How many Canadian options do we have on, you know, any of those streamers too?

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There's no Canadian stand-up, Canadian produced stand-up specials on Netflix. You know what I mean? Like there's no, yeah, there just isn't that interest. And there's Netflix Canada. But it's not the same. Netflix Canada is very, it's not the same as how there's a different Netflix in the UK. You know what I mean? Okay. Netflix Canada is pretty much Netflix America.

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Yeah, yeah. Except there are certain rights where we don't get some of the better or whatever shows and movies.

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That's right. So, and then they figured out how to crack down on the VPNs. Yep. All that shit. So yeah, it is that. I think that you could be pretty successful in this country if you learn how to speak. Like if you can do comedy for Indian people, you're going to be fucking huge. You want

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to sell out. I got three neighbors across the street and my buddy Danny, I built some shelves for him. But like he gives me food all the time and he has parties. He's like, Jamie, come over here. And within five minutes, I bend. If that's true, maybe I should become a stand up comic.

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Oh, dude, I'm just going to only do jokes for the Indian people. And then we're going to be, you know, I'll be selling out every beach. Yeah, you will. Bring your shovel, though. Why would you want to sell one ticket when you could sell a family of 12 tickets?

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:38

That's right, buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The family

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press.

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And there's something to that, though. You know, I know a lot of people are like, oh, these people live in the same house. But it's like, you know what? They got support. They've got... There's a lot to it. And again, our culture is individual. And that's why... I'm all about capitalism and healthy competition. We need it. But at the same time, we don't need to compete with ourselves. And that's where I'm saying the identity politics and how we've been living of conservative, liberal or whatever. It's like, no, no, let's either choose Canadian or human and let's just help each other because... We're just stuck in this quagmire of sort of spinning our wheels, I think, sometimes.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Canada, I don't know how long it's going to take to sort this

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shit out. Well, look, man, nobody gave a shit about the hip until Gord died. And it was like became trendy to like him, you know, honestly. Like, I mean, generally speaking, like they were everywhere and everybody knew them. But now, like after he died, it's like it's like these grief clingers. It's like I went to 18 shows and, you know, I knew Gord's second cousin's plumber. And it's just like, well,

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yeah, yeah. Well, guess what, buddy? I never once saw the Tragically Hip live, but I saw Gord Downie's solo and I got blackout drunk and don't even remember the performance. So how do you like me? And I'm a huge fan of the Tragically Hip. Yeah? I love

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:57

Tragically Hip. Dude, I remember sometime, I don't know if it was a post you made or something, but you made a post about Trouble in the Hen House or something. Or maybe I'm pretty sure it was you. Was that like an album or something you like? I can't remember. Maybe it wasn't you. I don't

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know. I like that album

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for sure. Maybe I don't know. Maybe I don't have no idea.

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I don't know what I would have posted, but I definitely like that album. My favorite Tragically Hip album, I'd say they have some good ones. I think Phantom Power is actually my

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favorite. Yeah, that's great.

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I don't think his voice is at its peak. Like it's like maybe on the back side of like when he was like his most powerful was those earlier albums. But the songwriting is, the songwriting I think is incredible on Phantom Hour. It is. I don't like Bob Cajun. I don't like that song. Tell me why. I don't like the town and I don't like the people. No, I'm kidding. Let me tell you about the time that I got. Actually, I love the people.

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I know. I saw the hit

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in Bob

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Cajun, bro.

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It was pretty epic. I performed in Bob Cajun with Ben Bank. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The crowds were awesome. That's awesome. But I don't like that song. That's funny.

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But I do like that album. Yeah, I love that album. I love Day for Night. It's a bit moodier, but the one I can listen to, and it's not a favorite that people, you know, tragically hip fans will like, is World Container. And again, I just feel what was different about it is I did some reading because I'm like, what? It just pumps. Right. And so the guy who can't remember his name, but I'm pretty sure he was the producer for Motley Crue came aboard and help with that. And you get like in view to Bob Rock. I don't know if it's Bob Rock. It could be. It very well could be. Anyways, he I watched the doc. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're talking about the Crave documentary. I was going to ask. Yeah, man, I was good, right? I learned a lot. Like I didn't know about all their time down in Nashville and stuff. That was like, and again, right there. Like what? It was Bob. Yeah. Good call, buddy. Ready to go. Way to go. But yeah. So that's why that album has such a good, uh, it's a lot more hard rock, but like lovesick and there's some great tunes on their world containers as a, as a, as a song, man. Uh,

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lonely end of the road. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. They know they got some good songs on that. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Uh, day for night. It's a good album. It was a turning point. Yeah, it was big time. But for me, I wasn't crazy about the album. Nautical Disaster is my favorite Tragically Hip song of all of them. That's my number one. But I don't put on that album and listen to it straight through. I really don't. I never really liked Grace 2. Oh, really? It wasn't one of my favorites. But you know what they've put out in the last couple years that are just deadly that you can get on Apple Music or whatever you're streaming on? But they put out the one Saskadelphia. Yeah, yes. Four tracks that they saved from that studio that burned down. And it's great songs. And that's when his voice is at its maximum peak. Nothing sounds better. And then they put out one live from the Roxy in Los Angeles. That's like, it's probably right before, it's probably, it's right after Road Apples. Oh yeah. So you get like that era of songs. So it's before Fully Completely, but after Road Apples. Live at?

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:29

Live at the Roxy. I definitely had the Saskadelphia, but I don't know if I've, I think I do have Live at the Roxy. Again, I'll have to look. I think I downloaded it, but I'll double check, but. I always look for new stuff and I liked his, uh, the secret path stuff, you know, and, uh, even his brother, uh, is, uh, still keeping everything alive with, uh, Downey foundation and stuff, which is cool. Right on. But yeah. Uh, and so next weekend is just for laughs.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:53

Yeah. So yeah, I'm doing the just for laughs festival in Montreal next weekend. It's, uh, I'm on the Saturday night and Sunday night. So the Saturday I'm doing a show. I think it's like a JFL all access standup show. And then I'm doing on the Sunday night roast battle Canada. I'm doing a recording for that. So I'll be doing a roast battle, which

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:13

is fun. And so what do you, are you just roasting like other comedians that you know, or who are, who are in it? Do you like all roast each other or.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:21

You go, you get a head to head matchup. You go against one other comedian on the previous seasons. You've had, I've had like, two roast battles that i've prepared for but this one everyone's just doing one okay so there's a whole bunch of people involved it's more comedians but you do only do one battle so i'm just doing one against uh her name is michelle forrester it should be should be fun i think she's done a lot of roast battles in the past so so what do you

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:47

how do you how do you prep for that a little just to give people an idea like if you don't really know somebody a tiny you go through there's it's like watching tapes and hockey i guess hey

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:54

Yeah, you go, you watch their stand up. I got them on record.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:58

Tape it, buddy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:59

Pow, pow. Yeah, pretty much. And then you fill out a little questionnaire about yourself and then you send it to them and they send you one. So you have some personal information. And then, you know, like the best ones, you kind of talk to the people a little bit about it. You have a couple of conversations before. You want it to be a good show. But I've had, yeah, I've done four battles on this show. So I was on season one. two and three and three of them were really pretty good like one of them we got nominated for canadian screen award hey buddy for uh for

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:34

that and this is a podcast you're doing or sorry what's it what's the call i want to make sure i get this the the name of this

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:39

roast battle canada the tv show on oh yeah it's on you can get it on crave tv um and it was on ctv and and all that comedy network

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:47

yeah that's wicked man so scree you got nominated for a three

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:51

Yeah, we had Crystal Farrier and our battle was on the ticket for the nomination for that episode. For that, I guess it would have been, it was on the premiere of that season. But then there was one battle I did that it didn't air. Like they got cut from the show. And it was, that one was like probably the nastiest one that you could see. People talk about it a lot, I guess, but when these things come up, but it's, that one was, I don't know why. I don't know why people, For sure it got pulled, but it was mysterious.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:23

So you, the two of you, it was just off the hook?

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:26

Yeah, it was. The jokes were vicious, but all my jokes were vicious on all of them. But I just don't think, we didn't really know each other, so it wasn't as fun. Like the other ones I'm doing with people that I'm friends with, and so we're having a good time. But I think maybe the person that I was against was trying to win. And trying to win creates a different vibe. You know what I mean? It's not as fun. It's like, oh, you're trying to hurt me. You're trying to get one over on me. You're trying to use me as a stepping stone in some way. It's like, nah, that's not happening.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:59

Yeah, it takes away from, because again, even if it is a roast, everyone's there with like, it's a good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:06

There's negative energy and there's like a little bit extra stress and pressure that you feel. And

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:13

that's the professionalism, right? That's professionalism. Yeah, if you're letting it get your guard up and that you're taking it personally, that's ego, right? And I think if you're, that's like part of performing is like, how do you swing a bat when a guy's yelling at you without, you know, turning around and yelling something at him?

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:29

In every single one of these like roast battle type things that I've done where it's like, you're going head to head with the person. If the ones where you don't know what they're going to say, or, you know, you know, or where the person's trying to beat you. I've seen my opponent break. Every fucking time. Like I know when they realize they're not going to win. It's like, it's like in a fight when you know, you've tagged someone and you're like, okay, I got this. And you just feel it. I just, I've seen it in their eyes where they just like realize, oh no, like I can't, So

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:07

that's like a shark mentality, right? And that's the passion and stuff, but that's your ability to also be professional and keep the distance allows you to keep those plays moving,

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:18

right? And certain people, like, there's certain things where, how do I put it? All I know is I don't really worry about what they're going to do. I worry about me being... really good if you can go joke for joke with me with my best stuff then you deserve to win okay and i'm okay with that because i know i'm gonna run a good race something that i'm proud of like i'm gonna be proud of what i put out and we're both gonna look good but if you if i'm worried about what you're gonna say and i'm start screwing up my shit like no i'm just down the barrel gonna just throw smoke and it'll be up to me to make a mistake to lose but quite often The comedian isn't going to be able to go joke for joke with me. Not on the same, at a certain level, you'll see that I'm

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:11

bad. Yeah, yeah. And therein lies the rub for that comedian as not a really true comedian, maybe in the sense of, you know, it's like acting the best actors as can you really become and in that. And it's like, again, if you go into it, like, you know, Connor McDavid, he could beat himself in his own mind. But if he knows he's the fastest player and he's done the most squats, what are you worried about? George St. Pierre. GSP,

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:34

baby. You didn't beat George St. Pierre. That's right. He made a mistake. If he made a mistake, that's the only way you can win. And so that's sort of

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:43

how I look at it. It's inspirational, man. And that's champion mindset. It's big. Tim Ferriss talks about that a lot. The tools of Titans. But back to a great video was, again, it's all about advertising. So who knows? But, you know, after Colin Kaepernick got pushed out of the NFL, he came back with this big Nike ad. And take away the politics, the message is good. He talks about, you know, don't try to be the best in your class, your school. You got to try and be the best in the world, right? And it goes back to what we talked about earlier. If you want to make the NHL, there's like 30 kids in the entire world who get to actually make it every year out of all the millions. So it's like, if you're not the best player in the GTHL, or you know what I mean? Like, that's what the odds are. And I just think, you know, with what you're saying is, even with what I'm doing is I can't be half in it, you know, and that's, and that's it too. If you want to be in a band, that's what, you know, Sky Wallace and all these other artists are saying is I want to have a family. I'm working hard, but I'm not able to sustain maybe long-term what I'm doing without being on the road all the time. So I think it's interesting, man, that, uh, I think that's something, you know, if it was like a Canadian co-op, but, uh, Again, people would have a lot of profit sharing almost. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:56

Yeah, there just isn't that one big one that can launch you. Not in Canada. You have to get into those American ones, and it's too bad. I don't know what would be the biggest podcast in Canada. What is the

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:10

number? Canada Land would be up there. Canada Land? Yeah. CBC Gem hosts a lot, and they pay for the production of a lot of series. but again I would say Canada land gets a lot because they get into a ton of political stuff but you know when you look at the states I think what I read something about is it serial no my favorite murder or one of those Karen Kilgareff they make like 33 million dollars to do their show right yeah yeah and as soon as they like put one out they've got you know it's just But that's what I was reading. I do a lot of reading about podcasting and they're like, if you do true crime, it's like the number one thing people want, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:50

Yeah.

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Yeah,

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yeah. I think we got to do with my main offenders podcast, we got to have a true crime sort of like highlight reel because we always talk about it on here. If I can like just cut out the best ones, I'll make an episode that's the best of or just a mini series because we always talk about the worst. Oh, we talk about the worst people in the world every week. Oh, I gotta listen.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:17

Dude, I gotta... We talk about who's fucking up in the news and then we talk about

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:21

all the stupid shit that we do. Yeah, that's what like... And again, the last five years doing my PhD, I've been like in this zone and then as this has come to life, it's like I'm putting myself back out there. I didn't want to come out swinging... with and not that I'm coming out swinging but it's like I wanted to make sure that I had my own stuff in order before I start going out there and just because then it doesn't work right like yeah and finding your voice is not easy too like if you want maybe one last thing that would be cool before be like to go back to starting as a stand-up and what you know some of the challenges and a lot of young kids or anybody what you'd say about you know a lot of parents or kids or people are thinking I you know the arts there's no life there's no way of creating it and you know a lot of what we've been talking about today shows you just how hard it is yeah what somebody who wants to be a young comedian or even me i would love to start honestly i've always thought like i just need to put myself but i think i'd be good at some stand-up and you know what would you say to somebody at any age who's like

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:14

i want to just try it out well i think it's you know writing is so important you have to getting on stage is is it's scary i guess or you know it's it's a whole process just to to get to the point where you go on stage so If you're thinking about going on stage, you know, try and write and try and refine the material to the point where it's like the shortest, most economical way of saying something from point A to point B. The longer, however long you write a joke, you can usually write it shorter. Just tighten it up, tighten it up. Because when you first start out, you don't get a lot of time on stage. You don't get to go up there for an hour. And you may think that you're hilarious, but this takes time. It's the first thousand sets, basically. is what it takes to really start becoming good. Some people are good faster or whatever.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:02

Tim Ferriss, and again, a thousand hours.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:05

Yeah, it's all like that. But you just got to go out and do it. You can't just sit there and think about, maybe I can do it. You can do it. Because other people have done it. That's right, yeah. If you're in a small town, there's ways to like... So when I moved back up to Bracebridge, I started in Toronto, but I was only there for a few years, like three years maybe. And then I moved back up home. People told me I'd never be able to do it by living up there, and it is hard, but I found a way. How bad do you want it? It's just you have to write. If I'm not on stage every night, I better be writing every day to get better at writing. The shorter, or not the shorter, but the tighter the writing, the better the writing, it's to the point where I train my own writing that when I write a joke, I know immediately that it's going to work on stage. That's the difference between me and other roasts. comics or people are going to go into a roast is when I write that joke I know it's going to fucking hit like 99% I know that joke's going to hit so I'm not afraid to go up there because when you do a roast battle you're doing a joke that you've never done before it's not like you got to practice this at open mics and build it up and refine it you're doing it for the first time probably so you the fact that I know that that joke's going to hit is because I've done all the you got a formula mechanics I've done the mechanics and I know all different ways to say it. And then I have a home delivery. See, I was better at roasting before I was like good at, like before I was like really, you know, a better standup. Like it was, I'm on stage doing roasts and I'm being sort of like the truest to what my stage persona should be. So, because I'm just merciless, right? And I was going on these roasts where it was like the roast of the Iron Sheik, but you had all these like bigger name comics than me. I was like the unknown guy. Like you had Gilbert Gottfried. I mean, Tony Hinchcliffe was on it. But that's even before he's as big as

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:14

he is now. And if people don't know, you were on the roast of Ron Jeremy and Dustin Diamond who played Screech on Saved by the Bell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:21

All those type of things. And so I go on these roasts and my... thought process is no one fucking knows me so it's kind of funny to be the biggest bully on the block and I don't give a fuck about who they are

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:34

they don't know you

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:35

and it's like I have no respect for anybody like zero regard for like you're this person like no I am the guy that's gonna fucking end your night tonight and everyone's gonna get hurt and that's that's that was like the mentality and so So when I was doing those roasts, I was being like as close to my like comedy asshole persona. It was like magnified. It was like WWE. That's like a persona. It's like it's my natural self amplified. And so then I was like, how can I need to do that on stage? I need to like stop being so laid back and like kind of humble on stage. I need to bring that back. Cause I used to be kind of like really cocky when I was early on and it was like pretty funny, but then, but then I like, I was like, I need to just get like, become really good at this. I need to figure out how to do this without putting on the, just so that I know the materials work and it's not the, the character. Yeah. Yeah. Carrying the thing. I want to make sure that the jokes are really good. So it took a while where I just like got really good at like writing and like zeroing in on the material. But then once I took the, What I was doing in roasts and put it into my stand-up, it amplified everything quite a bit more. And then I became a much stronger stand-up because it was my persona and the material working together. It kind of synced. But with the roast stuff, it was like, yeah, I knew I could kill right away with these new jokes I've never tested because I'm living in a small town and all I'm doing is writing the jokes. I'm not up on stage every night worrying about the performance. And then I started touring more and I really stepped it up and got much better at comedy because I was doing so many more shows. But because I took the time with my writing and never stopped writing, I always know that's how I bridge the gap from not being on stage as much. Like I don't live in a city, so I can't go on stage five nights a week. I got to wait till the weekend when I'm booked and getting paid to headline and then I'm doing an hour each show. But because I have the discipline of the writing. Yeah. Your material is good. My material is good faster. So, and then, and then using social media to your advantage by being, you know, I don't live up, I'm not in the city. I can't go on stage. So I'm going to write like a whole bunch of jokes. I'm going to put them on Twitter, like, and I'm going to build my fans that way. I'm going to make my own videos and, and whatever. So there's things you can do. You don't have to be a standup comic. You can do sketches. You can do, you know, TikTok stuff, like all that type of stuff, you can become a comedy persona outside of being on stage now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:25

And that's an advantage, right? Because again, it's like musicians are often discovered on YouTube before they, you know, they have a couple of big songs and then boom, Nate Smith, who I met a couple months ago, same thing. It's just, yeah, that, again, it creates a bigger environment from which to pull. It seems like you're in a big sea.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:43

But if you want to be a stand-up, you got to get on stage and do stand-up. If you have a big following on TikTok before you do stand-up and then you try and do stand-up, you're probably going to disappoint people. And that's the thing. Be humble and respect the guys that have been doing it longer than you. You'll learn something. Regardless of how popular your base is, there's two ways of doing it. I remember Scott Thompson and Dave Foley both got into stand-up after Kids in the Hall. And it was a little bit later. There's some Canadian culture, right? Yeah. I think Foley kind of glided into it and started at the top and got Thompson started from the ground up. He became... Scott is a very strong stand-up. I think Dave wasn't received the same way that Thompson's stand-up is. I don't know. I just thought that Dave started at the top when he could have maybe... taken a couple levels to tighten up. That's all. No disrespect. There's different ways

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:41

of doing it. And you can't always explain these things that where it happens for one person. That's the thing of being viral or whatever. It's like, it's who knows.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:50

It's just a different medium. So you got to respect the craft. It would be like if I went into sketch comedy, I'm not going to be as good as those guys right

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:58

away. So like guys, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:00

Yes. I would always have reverence to people who who are been doing it longer that's

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:05

all well and if you're making a viral video there's so many things that are passive for the audience all they have to do is like and it's short whereas you know at a live comedy show you've got people who have had maybe a long day it might have been stressful getting there and there's a dynamic when i talk to my phone there's no dialogue whereas tyler's like this joke always slams what the fuck nobody laughed but you know what the i'll bet you a lot of the stuff that i've learned it was like jerry d right but i wouldn't I don't want to be the teacher comedian, but it's like that, that sense of a live reaction in real time to things gives you a thick skin. And I know, you know, you talked to Jenna and other teachers and educators, but there's a lot of jobs that do that, but others don't. And that's the difference. Oh, I did a TikTok video. It's like, well, it's not being a standup.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:53

Yeah. It's totally different. Yeah. It's just, there's not much substitution other than I will say the standup comedy in the metaverse is, It's pretty, pretty cool. Like I've done shows in VR. No way. The only thing is there's a little bit of a delay. And if, if we could ever figure out how to like make it, I'll just cut that little delay. But I've done standup where it's like, you're in a comedy club as, and you're, you know, in VR as an avatar and there's other avatars in there and you're doing jokes and it's like 50 people. From all over America or different parts of the world. And the laughter, it feels like you're in like a bar. Yeah, it's so cool. And if they can ever just like figure out that little delay, because you have to, sometimes you tell the joke and then they don't laugh and you're like, what the fuck? They all start, you start talking again, then they start laughing. It's because they're hearing the joke in like a little delay. So the timing is different than how you perform comedy. regular stand up so once that like gets I'm sure they'll figure that out 5G buddy but it's so cool man the like the way technology is happening

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:05

we're all putting it out there AI and all this is like and what you're seeing too is they're making AI seem scary but in my opinion it could be the most democratic opening because we shouldn't be scared of it it's an association of everything we know you know and so they're making it scary I think in the media to buy it up and then to sell it back to people just like everything else

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:25

Yeah, that wouldn't be

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surprising. You know what I mean? And again, it's like anything. It's like with creativity. It's like if you have the idea, you know, all of these things can help us. But we're a lot of people are stuck on the phones. So with the podcast and again, naturally for me to hop on social media and make these shorts, it's been a it's been a real journey for me to put myself out there. But I'm doing it because that's where the people are. Right. It's easy to talk. Oh, everyone's addicted to phones. What are we going to do? But it's like you still that's also the way out. you know, and what you're saying is like, well, there are so many beautiful, awesome things that we're going to be able to do with this technology. But again, it's just brand new. We don't know how to

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:04

live with it yet. You know, we just got to look at the technology and figure out how do we use it for good. Yeah, exactly. Everyone can, can do that. And it's like, how does it work for me? How can I, how can I use it for good? That's, You know, it's going to be up to you because you know that your government and the rich motherfuckers that control it aren't going to be looking

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:23

at it like that. And this is why power, this is why power, who, just say, if you were at the top, right? And, you know, and you're making all that money, why would you ever be involved in changing a system? And again, those people, the celebration of mediocrity, you don't get to the top by being critical thinking. You get there by being a yes conformist, you know, and that's it is all the guys, like you said, who are, I want to laugh my balls off at something Tyler said, but I'm looking at the boss and he's not laughing. Therefore, Tyler doesn't get the money. That's me fragmenting, not for what's real and genuine, but for me to get in that chair for the power. And that's all it is, is power and money dynamics. And that is really costing culture. And that's the human spirit is how we express and push boundaries.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:09

So if I could put a bow on this, what we're really saying is go down to your local Circle K. Cause fuck the government and buy a 12 pack of Miller Lite tall cans and pound that shit tonight and forget about everything that we've said so far. That's all you need to know. Just crush some killer Millers, throw on main offenders podcast, throw on fight stories, my other podcast. You need some mindless entertainment.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:40

It's the Lord's Day. And you know what? There's nothing you do. We do need mindless entertainment to disconnect.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:46

We talked about so much bullshit on this podcast. We don't know anything. We're fucking stupid. We didn't even

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:52

get to Kentucky Fried Chicken, though, man. I don't even know what the 11 herbs and spices are. I don't know shit, but I don't.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:58

What did you even just listen to? It's almost two hours. You don't know

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:01

what the fuck

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:02

we're talking about. Man, we don't know what we're talking about. You listen to this? Yeah, exactly. Drink 12 Miller Lights. You need to erase this shit like a Men in Black memory eraser

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:12

pen. And you need to get a menthol dip. And prior to starting the recording, my friend Tyler here talked about Glowberry Primes. How many would you get?

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:22

Dude, only one per day is recommended for globally.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:26

Yeah, you don't want to be too hydrated. But say on a Monday when you're maybe, maybe you get down to eight or nine millers and you wake up and you know, oh man, my lip is sore from the dip. Could I have two?

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:38

Could I have two? Listen, if you're worried about your weight, these are low-cal and you can get the smaller ones. You don't got to get tall boys every time. No, you don't. Just little baby ones. You know what? Little baby ones. You can drink a cup. Then you can drink 24 of them and tell your wife they're

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:51

little. did you oh dude it lasted to put a bow on it i saw this fucking hilarious video the other day it's like uh hey honey it's a husband right he goes down he's like hey honey grab me a beer before it starts and she's like okay okay and he's like watching the tv and then he just like drinks it so fast he's like honey grab me another beer before it starts and she does like six of them and she goes what's happening today that you're having six beers before noon and he goes it started that's a great yeah that's yeah so uh Buddy, this is awesome. Oh, it's all good. I'm going to put it out there, man. Cut out all the stuff we

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:28

said about the Jews.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:31

What was that you said about Gaza and Iran earlier? You know,

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:36

concerts are so expensive. Hezbollah? Hand gliding into them is probably not that bad of an idea. It's just that they did it. you know you don't maybe leave the guns leave the guns this

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:48

guy doesn't need guns no fuck no fuck buddy we got enough guns I was there for the bat flip what a gun oh

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my god

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we're gonna do it this year yeah this is the year man I heard I heard Mitch Marner's gonna be there with Vladdy really he's got on his way to Vegas oh my god yeah but hey buddy let's do this again anytime you want to talk about anything I would love that cool Yeah, I'm all set up for this shit. Yeah, me too, man. And you and your buddy, like we could do, I think this holds up to like 10 people or something. So let me know when you're down here and I'll come down and I'll, I could document, nothing crazy, but I'd love just to come and support it. I'd love to see you do your thing. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:27

All my buddies are down actually in your area. So I do come down sometimes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:31

Well, we, it's just me, but we're having our kid there, but we've got, we got lots of extra room if you ever need a place to crash, buddy. Right on, dude. Man, well, it's great to chat with you and say hi to Jenna. And let's stay in touch.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:43

Absolutely. And we'll just give a plug before we sign off so you can throw this on. If you want to follow me, check out tylermorrison.ca. That's my website. It'll have my tour dates and all those links to the socials. You know, I'm on Instagram, tylermorrison123. Follow me on all that shit. And then my podcast, Main Offenders, go over to YouTube. It's on there. Same with Fight Stories.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:07

And I'll post this all when I post this as well. Yeah. In the credits. Yeah, yeah. But go ahead. Yeah. So the main offenders and you have the, what was the fight one? That's your buddies or is that yours too? Fight stories.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:18

Myself and John Moses, we interview all different types of people about all the fights they've been in. And we've had everyone from UFC legend Ken Shamrock to local dudes. We had like prison guards and like, you know, all kinds of hockey fighters. We had Colton Orr. We had Cam Jansen, like all the NHL guys, they come on and they're great. And then, yeah. And we just get like, just weapons, like street fighters and shit like that. Just dudes that we're in a town, we're in Kingston. We're like, who's the toughest guy in this town? Like 10 people are like, yo, you gotta, you gotta meet Pierre.

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Next thing you know, we're talking to this guy. Pierre's

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got a vein coming out of his head. You just, you got, no, no, go, go. Actually, anyone that listens to this song, you need to go to YouTube. Pierre Moore Fight Stories. It's one of our first episodes. This guy is a menace. And it's one of the craziest stories. His life story is insane. Yeah, it's absolutely worth the price of admission, which

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is free. Yeah, you can't beat that. And after Just for Laughs next weekend, then you said about your website and stuff and some tours. Do you got anything local going on coming up?

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:27

I have one on July 26. I'm in Eagle Lake near Halliburton doing the Sir Sam's. Oh, yeah. The Sir Sam's Inn at the resort. We're doing a show there with me and Tommy O'Donnell from Main Offenders and our buddy Greg Enright. So that's going to be fun. And then in the fall is when I'm going to start planning some tour dates for the fall. So watch for that coming.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:48

Beautiful. And from my own knowledge, if I were to start writing jokes to do a first standup act, whatever at a live show, what would you say is like, where do you start? Like, like, is it a joke or should you aim to be like creating a narrative arc or like what, what do you think is maybe a downfall or what would be great strategies as things to avoid or things to embrace when you try to get ready for your, like say your first sort of standup experiences? I think, I

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:14

think like every, Everyday life experiences, I think, are good. Or if you're writing about something that's happening in the world, try and connect that to you, to your life. You can find something that, like, if you're talking about, let's just say, let's say you're talking about Elon Musk or whatever, like, how does whatever Elon Musk is doing, how does that relate to you personally? And how can you find a personal experience to attach to that joke to play within? Because if it relates to you, chances are it can relate to them. Yeah, yeah. Instead of just talking about something to talk about, make it personal. Find that whatever your personal connection is, how it relates to you. If you can make that funny and put it out there, it'll come back. You know what I mean? Because that's the I think it's all about tapping into that personal connection to everything you're talking about. Because if you're not personally connected, then you don't really give a shit. And if you don't care, they're not going to.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:07

And that's it. Right. With any genuine art. Right. Like it's like this. It's like your best, your best teachers or your best hockey coach. It was like somebody who connected with you and gave them gave you a piece of themselves. Right. Like if you're up there telling jokes about things. And again, when I was starting my podcast, it's like, why did I start with history? Because it was something that I'm like, I know this. And this connects to what I'm trying to do is the whole thing about history. No, it was just a way to get out there, you know, and start with something.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:34

There's two great types, the best two types of standup comics. The people that do the best are natural born leaders and total outsiders. So if you are a natural born leader, chances are the things that you're saying are going to connect and people like to follow a good leader. So the crowd will go on board with you. But if you're a total outsider, you can kind of come at it with a little bit more of an oddball attitude. perspective because it's interesting right it's like you're more

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yeah yeah you're offering a perspective that's not so mainstream or

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yeah so those are the two people that I find are people are drawn to it's the guys that are like kind of normal like average Joe guys that like they don't stand out right you need to figure out with your writing how are you going to connect and that's if you're an average show

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:18

that's knowing yourself right like that's and you got to be honest with yourself and can you connect with people because if you don't know other people I think you have to have an idea and like you and I both like with pop culture you know and sort of like what you said you can write it before you ever even hit the stage right like and that's wisdom that you've obviously gotten through experience but also paying attention and knowing as a human what makes people tick

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:41

and that's also I try and have try and have fun up there because they came to have fun so if you're not having fun why the fuck should they have fun that's right you have a good time yeah

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:50

and that's what i'm learning to remember like again will smith came up and slapped uh chris rock or whatever but one video i saw about him it was like you know i i used to really have a lot of self-doubt but then i realized it was i was doing a service you're you're by dimming your own light actually you know when you think about somebody like starting a podcast i'm like well maybe it might bring joy to other people you know and uh you going out there and it's like if you withheld that then actually people would never get to experience that about you

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:15

yeah and and keep it keeping it simple sometimes is good i mean we can get into like talking about bigger picture you know politics and and all that and like intelligent shit but the smarter the joke the further away you're moving from the target the target is i'll use a basketball analogy here this is maybe For anyone that's thinking about doing comedy or does comedy, I think this helps. The crowd loves that you can fucking drain a three, but they still pay to see you dunk, motherfucker. So you got to go in and dunk. And that means hitting them with some primal shit too. Because what's everyone thinking in the crowd? They're out on dates. It's date night. Maybe I'm going to get laid later. Like it's this primal

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uncertainty. Try and think about what the crowd primally might be going. Why are

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they there? yeah what are they feeling just in general and it's like how do I tap into that first and then build out from there so it's like if you if you know you can hit threes all night but you still gotta go in and dunk they still need to hear some shit about sex they wanna hear some some stuff about drinking

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:19

so you gotta you gotta get a little bit low brow because that's really the heart that's what that's and again what I always say is we don't share in successes man you're a great comedian and I'm doing school and I feel like writing is good but like in your own way you know I don't go talk to a mechanic if I want to know how to fix my foundation you know and we all have stuff to offer but that's it is like but what we all share is actually the hardships and the human condition of the the grit buddy you know like the the fucking shit of it all is really what you know and that's what you come to get away from and to hear that you're not the only and that's it everyone's feeling like islands but what you do man is a service and not everybody sees it and that's why I really thought it was cool you wanted to come on here because Like you say, whatever the fuck we talked about at the end of the day is that I want to show that everybody has different perspectives and that we all are important and that comedy, history, it all is worth something and it all comes together, you know, to create something that is pushing us forward, man, which is pretty cool. And you are pushing us forward because you're pushing that and people, every time they lock up, man, that's them checking, you're triggering their own traumas and their own, you know, fragmentation. You're actually helping them, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:33

With my content, all I want to be is the break in your day. You're doing what you're doing for society, and when you are working, you know, nine, ten hours, if I'm the guy that you go to to get a laugh online, hopefully I'm the guy that when it's the one night of the year that you're going out to catch stand-up, you're going to come to my show instead of someone else's. and that's it and we you know try and create the content that they can follow along and be the break in their day that they get a laugh

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:00

that's honorable I think that's fucking commendable and respectable and again like 2008 seeing you bring in or start up around then the cottage comedy country festival at Red Leaves man I came out there and I remember being like yeah this guy's doing it and you know a lot of people look at you and especially in that community that you've stuck with it you've you know brought all that and you bring so much to the community man like again people people know you people People admire you and I admire you. And for you just to hop on here shows that humility and that you actually do care, man. And that's fucking cool. And it makes me I do watch a lot of your stuff and it does bring me joy. And I'm sitting there chuckling. And and again, anytime you're up to anything, I'm happy to pump it. And I'll be putting all the links and stuff to your socials and I'll keep people informed as to what you're doing, too. Awesome. Well, thanks, man. I appreciate you having me on the show. Appreciate it, buddy. Great. We'll check you soon.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:49

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:49

Thanks, buddy. We'll talk

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soon.