The Winding Path to Self Acceptance with Sara Revet

In this episode of The Unravelling, I’m joined by Sara,  a woman whose path has been anything but straight, and all the richer for it.

From shy teen to hairdresser, aviation trainer, wellness centre owner, and now reiki master and human design guide . Sara’s journey is a powerful reminder that transformation doesn’t come from following a script. It comes from listening inward, questioning the rules, and letting go of the stories that once defined us.

We talk about judgement and how that plays out in our choices. We explore burnout, self-worth, and how identity shifts after motherhood. And we dive into the world of Reiki, Feng Shui, and Qi Gong,  not as fads, but as tools that helped Sara reconnect with her body, energy, and purpose.

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  I'm gonna start off just asking you, if we were to open your teenage diary, what would it say?

Oh, what would it say if I was to open chaos? Really? No confidence. Oh. From a personality, character point of view, yeah. I I loved being in primary school and then I got in secondary school and really did not enjoy it. I knew what I liked, I knew what my passions were, what art language English kind of sport, but.

Yeah those teenage years were pretty, pretty challenging actually. I think to a point of, judge, which is probably where it comes back now, judgment being judged at that age, and there wasn't any social media around then. Yeah. But it was just the judgment, it was the harsh judgment of, yeah, I guess challenging, challenging years with not much confidence. So it depends what age we go back to, as I think from the age of 11, 12. My, my life really started again probably when I was 17. Yeah. So e even then, yeah, it was, but it was definitely on the improve after a few years of turbulence, let's say.

So the teenage di would be mostly chaos. You think and Yeah, I think it was chaos in the mind. What, I had some good times, bad times, went through all the punk phases and Suzy and the, yay here's O'Connor. Loved all the music style of it, yeah. And it, it was just the path and the experiences I needed to have to come out.

Of it really. And I suppose my time changed when I got on a hairdresser apprenticeship when I was what? 16, 17. Okay. Yeah, then I started making some friends, different friends, let's say from school and yeah. And then the clubbing started and the parties and I was gonna say actually, if you were to go back to your.

Obviously we've talked about Sarah as the teenage Sarah in her diary, but if the 20 something year old Sarah, what, is there a song or a smell or an outfit or something that, for you would take you back to that a night out in your twenties? Oh God, yeah. I still listen to all that music now, but I listen to back then my early twenties after 'cause I went over seas.

So qualified as a hairdresser and I thought, okay, it's time. So I went to the Netherlands to Amsterdam for the first time and went to find work. My mom lived over there at the time, so I went off on a little trip to find some work in Holland. And I got into a salon having no Dutch whatsoever. So I got into this village salon, but a real reputable fu as they were called.

And the guy said the guy said to me, ping said, if you learn a word of Dutch every day, then you've got the job. That's brilliant. That mes language, we mean like it's. School, obviously in England we will learn French or German. Yeah. Maybe Spanish, but we definitely weren't learning Dutch, no. So that would've been a real, and it's not light a lot of other languages, is it really? No. The only thing was I was challenged there and it, but it was good because it was completely out my comfort zone. And you had to not only with the language, but then you, he had a quite a high class. Sort of clientele.

Yeah. But that's what I was, I trained in York as well. We had a very high class clientele. So it was good to continue that journey in that salon. But yeah, it was also quite intimidating because. I wasn't able to use those newly found qualified skills because, I, I did I did the shampoo and I did a bit of apprentice work with the colorings and the perms back then as well.

Yeah. Rather than let me loose. But then when he found, when he realized that I started to try with the language and I went to the school as well, then he'd let the reins off me a bit. His wife was quite controlling, bless her. But yeah, but it was good. It was a really good experience. Yeah.

Got to meet some friends then that would've been back in the eighties. Then I left there. My sister moved to South Africa, so I did the same there and went to work for a Scottish girl in a hairdresser. As well. You're such a woman of the world, Sarah, you've just been to all the places. So if we move into your thirties, what was driving you then in your thirties?

Obviously you've got this, you already got this traveling thing. You're already on the move with your head. Yeah. Is it still your head? Was it ambition? Oh, so I always wanted to remember my cousin, who I grew up with, he wanted to be a footballer, and I just wanted to be an estu.

Oh, okay. So actually just winding back to the early twenties I, my mom would come with me. I'd borrow mom's car and we'd drive from York in the UK all the way down to London for these British Airways interviews, Virgin Atlantics. But never was, it wasn't meant to be for me to go a long haul.

Because that was my dream and travel. But it wasn't meant to be. It didn't happen. I got through to second interviews then for some reason I didn't get it. So I'd go down, we'd set off at four in the morning to get the interview do the hair in the car, the old pla used to do and Oh yeah.

At this, a suit in the car, makeup and everything. So yeah I ended up landing a job with a company called a UK. That was pretty much under the umbrella of KLM rolled at share lines. Oh, okay. Absolutely loved my job. My God, that was the best job, ever to me. And to still to this day.

Back in the day, flying was a little bit different. You got a little bit more freedom. But yeah, so we, we were a feeder for KLM pretty much from the uk so went all around different bases in the uk Yeah. And saw at my twenties with a lot of parties living in a house with. Seven people.

And yet that was in Newcastle, right? So it was party time and every weekend was something going on in the flying Korea. Is it a big, is it what it, is it the big market? What's the thing in Newcastle? Yeah, the big market. Big market. Yeah. And the boat. The boat Love the Jordan the princess love the, called the princess.

It had the revolving dance floor. Yeah, that's right. The royal Princess or something like that. Yeah. But it was great times and that, that would give me a chance and opportunity in the 11 and a half years I was with the company to grow. Yeah. So I started training. So I did all the courses to train Calvin Crew onboard and then in the classroom and eventually managed cabin crew.

So fast forwarding then was when I, actually was, just before I was 13, I got married to a Dutch man and moved to Holland permanently. This kind seemed like it was on the cards because I was, there's all these kind of Dutch links coming up to this anyway. Yes. Bizarre isn, isn't it? I didn't think it'd end up there again for the second time, but on a permanent, yeah. But yeah, so I, he was an aircraft engineer, so we met and we were friends. They, he always come over with all the other guys to the parties and stuff, so we had a, an ongoing friendship. And then, yeah, so in that same year I got married, I moved to Holland permanently, and I opened. From scratch a cabin crew base.

So that's what was driving me to open from scratch. Wow. A cabin crew base in Holland. So I opened a secondment there. So we got all of the UK people and they were to be seconded to save money for the company. Okay. We opened it in in Amsterdam. So that was all my doing and it was. Hugely stressful operation.

Yeah. But yeah, and it's, there's a lot of drive there. There's a lot of ambition, isn't there? Oh, yeah. 'cause obviously, it, it's like doing this constant, striving forward in this. Yeah. And I've always been really self-motivated. Yeah. Always thought. Okay. This has gotta get better, yeah. So yeah, so into the thirties and then it was a couple of years, it only lasted and then I got pregnant anyway, so I had children so early in my thirties I was having first a daughter and then a son. And at the same time I was trying to fight for part-time in the role that I was there as a Kevin crew manager there.

Yeah. But my boss was having not a part of it, and then they closed the base. Yeah. I always consider, when I think of my thirties, and I've said this before, when I think of my thirties, it's like the lost decade for me because I had my youngest when I was 30. So that whole 10 years, you're just kind to trying to keep small humans alive.

Yeah. And it's, I actually don't remember them that well, or I don't remember who I was during that, yeah. As I say, you are this is like this role where, you're trying to stop them from. Creatively trying to harm themselves. And that's true. And I think that, in that time you, you are afraid sometimes of losing your own identity.

Yeah. And that was me. I thought, wait a second, I've been, I've done this job in corporate, I've done the silly 14 hours a day. Huge stress. Yeah. And like all of a sudden you're at home, which was also beautiful experience, you're losing that identification a little bit.

Yeah. So then I started to voluntary 'cause my in-laws were coming to look after my kids, so I could go and work at the local deer arts, which is the local FETs. Yeah. So that was just voluntary, because that was something that I was gonna potentially look at doing.

'cause I love animals. Yes. But yeah, that the language you, it is like in a completely different language Anyway. Yeah. That was a no-go. So I brought out the old scissors and the comb and did some, was offering it to some local people just at their home, some hairdressing to get a little bit of pocket money and to keep something for me.

Yes. And I think a lot of us women, if we're doing that, if we're having children, it's you wanna keep your hand in somewhere really. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And it's so true. As you say, if you're through your twenties, you are building this. Person you're building your identity, you're trying out different things in the world.

Yeah. And you have this, you have this spell of kind oh, I think I've got this now. And then you go on to have kids and of course the world falls away underneath you and you're still trying to grasp bits of yourself and keep yourself going through it. That's right. Yeah, it's a very, and I think it's, I think a lot of women would say the same thing, that kind of thing that, because for many years you'll then, you know, insert child's name's, mom.

You. That's right. It's your name, which is bizarre. Yeah. It's oh, it's Jake's mom. It is Eva's mom. Yeah. No, actually I'm Sarah. My name is Sarah. Yeah. Actual, whole person for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So never the time you reached your forties. What then, what did midlife mean to you in your forties?

If you were a four as a 40-year-old and somebody said to you, midlife, what did that mean to you? And how has that changed now that you are in your fifties? Yeah. Okay. So what did that mean to me? First of all, my idea was that when I was, when I turned 40, I was gonna have my haircut. Okay. But I thought, okay, I don't wanna be one of these old older people that I've got that, hair long or whatever.

And still long and getting longer. Still rocking it, Sarah, still rocking it. But yeah, so I thought I, I was already starting to put this silly idea in my head and it's now it's like, what were you thinking really? So I guess, what am I now? So then at that time it's probably, I've been in Australia for nearly 20 years, so it was when it was all new coming here again.

So again let's say it was around that time when I was hitting that 40 mark. Never did get to Las Vegas. That was what I wanted to do with my 40th. Nevermind. Didn't get that. It's fine. Got over it quick. Have you done there yet? No. Oh, okay. Can't been, that can't have been that important. No, but anyway.

No. I guess then at that age it was a lot of it, and this is what my mom always used to say to me, slow down, Sarah. Slow down. Because I always used to be racing. So from your twenties, like early twenties into the thirties, I dunno about you, but especially when you got children as well. I was after to doing one thing and then going onto the next thing.

Yeah. And my health, actually, this is probably when I came into holistic health, is that. I, I was burnt out. And knowing what I know in the, what I'm studying now, human design is that I did not have the root channel. I did not have that energy to sustain that. But I know all that now. Yes. But yeah so sustainability in, in your life path you've, it's all about this.

It's all about the balance. Yes. It's easier said than when somebody says it to you than to do it and to put it into practice. But those forties. We're busy moving here, setting up the kids in the school settling into a new country, a new style of life. But then I couldn't sit still again, so that would be a year if that.

And then I thought what am I gonna do? I need to do something. So for me then, I've always, gone into the next thing, which I thought, i'm gonna get accredited with the west Australian Tourism Board. And I was that first one to be accredited. And manage holiday, lets, okay. And this one, it got all chaotic and too crazy.

Stressfully busy again, because I gave myself a target of managing 10 houses, right? So I managed 10 houses, but I checked them in. I cleaned every house as well. Okay. And then I still had a four and a 6-year-old with no family here, so I was racing to pick them up. Yeah, dropping them off. But I wanted something actually at that time that I could, they were in a new country as well, and I wanted to be able to drop my kids off.

Pick them up, yeah. The aviation job at that point was a no option because my ex-husband was in aviation, so shift work wasn't gonna work. So in my forties I focused on that. So I always had a focus and something to keep me busy. Yes. So I have went into that. Managing holiday lets, which I did for quite a few years.

Yeah. Which again, is so left of center. It's so that's not something that was necessarily on the cards as it were. No, it's this is, yeah. Obviously under the direction that you went in this kind of, this drive again, I suppose to just I'm wanting to try something new.

Yeah. And also, and again, getting in there first with that. On that note, is there a thread when you look back at your younger self through each of these decades, is there a thread that kind of runs through all of it? Like a belief or a desire or even a struggle or a strength that shown up through that's a really good question.

You asked that, and I've never, because this is probably where, I've gone wrong. No, I can't say you can't say it wrong. There's, you can't look back. There's no wrong. No. I could have maybe if I just would've tuned in like these days tune in and listened and waited for the right thing.

But then. Aviation. So the thread with aviation, I loved it. I one of these, it's like train spotting. I'm like that with the aircraft. I used to, in Amsterdam, take the kids to, it's called the Amsterdam to boss because the aircraft used to be on that flight path in, so the trees, you could hear it Oh, wow.

In the trees. That's how close it was. And I used to drag. Drag the kids and my dog at the time there and come on, let's go and sit underneath them. We know the, so they've grown up with this aviation freak if you like. That's why. Okay. I don't mind. It is pretty thrilling though, I have to say.

When you get a plane come that low, it's more exciting. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. And of course that was my passion initially. That's all I ever wanted to do was fly. Wow. And so many experiences and people have again from that and then. I guess that was into the twenties and then the early thirties that was to go.

So a few years of children and things and then coming into the holiday accommodation, I suppose with both of them things I wanted to, just getting in at the bottom wasn't enough, climbing up the ladder, so that's the weave, that's the, that's the key. And the good question you asked is, yeah, there's got to be more which is really interesting because it went into the holiday lets, and doing all that business then I thought because I love the creativity and going into the houses, I thought, oh, I would probably start to move that furniture or change things around here a bit.

So I even helped investors. On how to furnish the homes for the holiday lets as well. So going into that, I at some point went into real estate as well, thinking, okay, I could inspire because this has got an inspiration attached to it. Yeah. But for where I am now and thinking I could inspire people this is how you could change this house if you wanted to buy it.

Yeah. But. That wasn't me. Okay. That wasn't me. I only lasted a year in real estate and I'm very authentic, you don't always see that authenticity coming through in real estate. Yes, of course. Yeah. So it wasn't gonna be, it wasn't lasting. It wasn't lasting. It wasn't lasting. So yeah. So then yeah, fast forward and always used holistic health for about definitely for 17 years now.

Yeah, so 'cause I know that's such a big part of your. Life and your business and this real, like you are the ultimate holistic human, but is that, that a thread that's something that you've just. Pulled at and began to expand.

Yeah. Bigger thing. Yeah. And I think I started eventually to listen to my body. And it talks to you. It does. If you give it that opportunity. And I think the racing around everywhere I'm lucky my achilles tendon didn't snap right. But metaphysically emotionally that's connected to trying to do too much too quickly.

Yeah. And as over the years, it's taken me a while. I remember a psychic medium, a local lady used to say to me. You are not listening. They're talking to you, but you're not listening. But it's like anything, you've gotta experience it and feel that experience in yourself before you actually take it in and actually put that into action in your own self.

And I suppose what started me off on my own journey, apart from going to therapist was. In 2015 a trauma that still sticks with me, but it's gone easier over time and that inspired me to go and search. What do I need to do to stay alive? It was at a point where, you know what? I could quite easily leave this plane, but it's not very fair for the kids and the people behind, but at that point I was thinking a little bit selfishly, and I found Rey as subtle as it is, that was back in 2015. That's when my journey started and I started to look at in the environment of places as well and how that, the energy of a place and how it can conjure bad energy.

Not necessarily all from a spiritual side, but. Yeah, from a logical side as well. Yeah. And so that's when I found FEI and started to study that. That would be a three year study for me with obstacles along the way. But yeah, I found that for the environment 'cause I wanted to look at that as well.

So I think, for you there's, again, it's these, so many things are coming up and these different. Avenues that you're exploring and because you're a real investigator as well, you're somebody that kind of deep dives into all of these things. But when you talk about your, this part where you had to listen to your body, where your body was telling you, that's almost would you say that was the start of the unraveling In a sense, if we talk about this unraveling as been a point in your life that's almost like a pivot point or something that kind of changes for you where everything.

Everything that you've worked to at that point then kinds of either begins to unravel into something else, into this, something that then becomes more beautiful. But we don't feel it at the time. We feel incredibly, wobbly to say the least. Yeah. Yeah. So when, so what was it that started to unravel for you and was that something, was it a slow burn or was it a specific moment?

I think it was slow. Let's say it was slow. Slow. So Sorry, I just have to, sorry. You might have to edit. That's okay.

Sorry. That's. So yeah, it was slow. It was the slow burn in that am I starting now to really listen? So I had the heartache, right? And I thought, what is this doing to my heart? And then I guess the pivot for me actually was a lump in my left breast. Oh. That turned out to benign.

Okay. But it was like, when I looked into it so rightly so as you said, the investigator, why is this happening? Why have I got this? What assists to do with, and it's all the built up emotions that have been building up over maybe a year or something and me not expressing them or not doing it in a way that I could move forward properly.

So that was the point. That was the point for me and I thought, nah, I can't have this. And other things have happened since then. But I think when you realize that an emotion is actually causing your body some sort of dise, yes and that's what got me as well is okay, I need to look into this more and understand why it does that.

So that was the unraveling. I didn't really have, that was what that would've been in my forties, wouldn't it? Then? Yeah, coming into the fifties. And I guess then that's when my real discovery started, apart from the reiki, the Fess way, I've done other stuff as well. But I guess today, in this day, oh yeah, sorry, I opened the wellness center.

As well. It was a building my partner had that we needed to do something with the inspiration was there to work. At that time I wasn't really practicing, but to bring people in. Somebody who I was already going to a therapist and why not try it? But yeah. 'cause I think at this point you've gone down this path.

It's been fairly diverse because obviously you've worked, like you've been hairdresser, you've been in aviation, you've been in travel, you've been holiday, lets, yeah. So what, at this point, so you had this kind of unraveling and you've done asara and you've got investigated into this and you've really looked at this were there at that point, any roles that you were attached to as everything, 'cause everything seems to have been fairly organic for you in the sense that you've just moved through this and opportunities have become available and you've gone down rabbit holes and gone, do I want to, do I wanna explore this more?

Out of all of those roles at all of those things that you've done previously, were there any that you were particularly attached to and did that. Did you, was there ever a moment if I'm not that anymore than who am I? Yeah, I guess that was with my flying career really. And managing leading crew, guiding crew training.

When that was, that, that would've been, that would've been an early messy middle life one for me, probably then, because I came here and I know that I needed to do something, the aviation world in Perth is completely different than in Amsterdam, skippo. So it just wasn't gonna happen the way and it's hard.

I think flying's one of them things, if you really love it to let it go. I've got a friend actually who is only just retired. She's older as well, but older than me, but it's one of the, it's like a magnet. So yes. That was a lasting impression for me. And something had that I was still grasping onto, and I did definitely for the years ahead when I was thinking what am I gonna do?

Even though it seems like it moved in organically to the next thing, it definitely didn't. And I think that was a challenge. The holiday let thing, I was so busy, I was running around like a headless chicken. So I didn't really have that opportunity to even think. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the weaving the, another key point in all of these things has been inspiration.

And what has inspired me to like the flying thing. Okay. I always wanted to do it and I was a bit of a geek with that. But it's the inspiration and my life experiences and all that I've done. Diverse as they are. They've whole lot of connection and a reason for something.

And I guess my journey now is what I'd love to do is to be able to inspire people. On their journey. Yes. And help guide them with what am I gonna do now? Which way am I gonna go now? And what's suited to me? Yeah. Because I know how challenging definitely that can be.

And especially when you know, your kids do leave or, circumstances change, your life changes. So it could be really challenging and almost to the point where. The self-worth, you get a kick in the gut with that really, because, you've been but for me, I think the self worthiness the confidence I had, I didn't have any.

But then I grew confidence and it stayed with me. And I guess that's just part of my path and how it's gone. It's not always been, not every day is confidence. But I've gained it, so I've I, I know who I am. I know my, my. Identity if you like. I've got it back in. Yeah. But mean prior to getting to that point.

Because that's a journey, we, because for a long time I feel that we lose our identity and then, yeah. And then as I say, when that kind of, when that ground starts to move beneath your feet, there's that moment of actually, who am I? And as I say, we start grasping onto these old roles.

And for you, that was aviation. Yeah. What was it? Obviously you moved from that and then you kept almost it's almost like a procrastination, busy. If I keep busy, I don't have to think about the real thing that's going on, and I can absolutely relate to that. Yeah, that's absolutely It.

Nail on the head. It's don't, it's almost like a numbing thing. We don't have to think about it. It's just keep busy. Yeah, just keep running, keep moving. It's distracting yourself. From what you should be really thinking about. And I didn't give myself the opportunity to think did I?

Because I just kept Whoa. Busy doing that. Yeah. Yeah. So I think to have that kind of to be able to stop for a moment, pause and be able to pull that thread, that inspiration thread, because obviously you've always been inspired by things and then want to provide that for others.

But before you got to that, before you got to that place, and you are in that kind of I suppose it's that space between maybe the holiday lets, and where you are now. What's what were the sort of, what were the questions that were circling around in your head that time?

Like in that kind of what the, now what are we doing now? Yeah, I guess look. I was also distracted at that point because after the holiday lets, and in between it was a good, it was a few years, but things were rocky at home, so that's when we had our separation and so a lot of that was taken up with that time.

Negatively speaking with the energy and yeah, making sure, yeah, the kids were okay and stuff. Yeah. But yeah, it was extremely challenging. But that point was probably when I dabbled in real estate and I think I started up another recruitment or company something for a year with a couple of other people.

But that. That wasn't me and that wasn't in my alignment. They gave me no passion, gave me no joy. Yeah. From inside. And I'm not talking about materialistically, but soulful. It wasn't soulful. Yes. And even the wellness center was extremely challenging. It was. It was very, up and down really. But then, so was there, what was there, what was your lifeline then throughout that?

Was the, was there like was there a turning point? Because obviously, you're you're in the middle of these life challenges and you're trying to be all the things and you are, obviously it's a challenging time for your kids. You're trying to be there for them and obviously, keep the boat from rocking too much.

Yeah. Was there a turning point or was there, what was your lifeline through that? So I'm just trying to think. I guess I just, it wasn't, so that would've been 2017. So we're talking about what, nine years ago? Oh yeah. Yeah. So I guess I. I just wanna say that I then started to think about, okay.

'cause I felt like even in the wellness center, I was looking after others and getting other people, and I wanted to focus on me. Yes. And what am I gonna do? And that took a few years to do that because I was trying to make, get. Rent coming in for that place. So it was really challenging because I couldn't fully focus on what I was wanting to do myself, which was the study and get myself out there as well.

Yes. I guess the time came when we only just put somebody else as a full-time contract in there, probably only about a year and a half, two years ago. And then we've sold it anyway. Now, yeah the building. But that was the turning point for me because I could finally, even though I'd learnt these modalities, I could finally focus on just being where I am.

What am I doing? And how am I gonna move forward with this? Yeah. Even though I dabbled and I've done reiki, I've done that, I've done FEI consults in the interim. Yes. Yeah. But when that place had gone and sold, then it was like, it's like cutting the cord. Yes. It was a new chapter, so that's when my chapter began.

Really? Again, properly. Yeah. 'Cause I, 'cause obviously you have this. This incredible business now, and you are an inspiration to so many and you provide, you do all these incredible workshops and you do your reiki and there's so many things that you have and you are, do you feel that you are that you are in the, come through the other side of the unraveling, as it were?

Yeah. I suppose my, my my unraveling it, it was. Lost somewhere in the midst of things. Oh, that's messy. Middle for a reason. Yeah. So it was cloudy and clear and cloudy and clear. And, but it didn't. Never really stressed me out. I guess I always have the, I've had this inner knowing that something will come from something.

Yeah. And because I have drive and I have a passion inside that inner passion I knew something would turn out because I also did I think it was Lumin Spark lady called, Gina did it one time for me and just to. To find out people go to psychics, people do the divination to see where are they going, what they're supposed to be doing, what personality am I what really is it?

And don't get me wrong, even some days now I question even with studying the human design. There's aspects and I think, wow, I should really be, even this year I went on a Bush woman's camp and I thought I came away with another inspiration of enlightenment, which I need to be connected to a bigger community.

Because I've primarily work on my own and that's fine. I don't mind my own company, but I miss. That of others. Yes. And now I'm on a new journey, so it never ends. No. No. Does it it's no, it doesn't ever end that chapter closes. But then you're starting on this new chapter now, which is, yeah.

Where is it gonna take me? And I guess my journey with starting the Qigong, that was really for. Self as well, because a few years ago I had low back surgery and to keep away from the physio, I needed something to help. So the stretching in the Qigong it's so beneficial. And again, it's energy.

Yeah, it's about energy and moving energy. So it made sense to again, not just do. No, not just watch it on a video. No, I had to, I had to go the whole hog Yes. And become a teacher in it. Yeah. But it's, it is funny because with each of these I've always sourced credible courses so I can get that.

Certification. 'cause that's important to me. Yeah. To show credibility Yes. Of what I do. Yes. And that's probably the investigator in me, which rightly because I delve. And why is that like that and why is the universe like it? Why those emotions? Like why? It's an unraveling of the whys, and I've realized that my journey moving forward is an ever never ending.

Learning. Yeah. Experience. A learning journey. But, so I would really want to, in the future, inspire others and empower. It's the empowering others that if you just listen and if you just tune in and don't have the racing about it's about the experiences that, that I've had. That I can share with others.

Yeah. And the technique, it's so true as well. And I think there's so much of that comes down to trusting that isn't there. Yeah. 'cause we don't trust that we, we don't trust that to just, to to listen to our body, to trust that, things are working out for us, even though we can't necessarily see it right now.

It's yeah. Yeah. From all of that, is there anything, obviously you have, you've done so much and you are so inspirational to so many people. Is there anything that you are still unlearning or that you are still releasing? Yeah so the human design tick ignited something else and that's conditioning and how you get conditioned.

So the conditioning from others. Growing up school, only last year did I burn all the school reports. That all said the same thing. Lacking in confidence. Lacking in confidence. I finally got round to burning them. I don't know why I've carried them around the world. That's so interesting, isn't it?

Because. Story. So there's this teenager that believes that and yeah. How much of that then do you carry through? Yeah. That's so interesting. And it's like your journaling, I saw it. It is The ink and that ink lasted all this time. Yeah. Isn't it in the sense that kind of like it, it has been written.

It is written, yes. Sarah has no confidence. No. Yeah, exactly. You go, that's not true. I'm I was trying to prove myself. Maybe I've been all this time trying to prove that actually, even if you don't and if you are, if you don't have the confidence, oh, you might be a bit introvert, that's absolutely fine.

I love it that we're all so different. Yeah. But I think something as well, that's important and. Keeps coming up and still comes up. And I think this is all to do with conditioning from the world, from society is self-acceptance. And that is huge. Accepting yourself as you are, looking in the mirror.

You don't need to do this. Skin stuff, you just accept who you are as you are, yes. I've got plenty of lines and yeah. I'm getting to that age and it's good that I'm this old to be able to have them lines. That's how I think now, but I think that self-acceptance is a big thing.

And I think the justification of race around. It was almost like I had to justify my existence and I think, to even sit down and have a cup of tea or glass of wine or whatever and have a read of a book during the day. It's because of that conditioning that as in your ear saying, oh, you can't do that.

It's even in these days. Yeah. If you don't go to work, if you don't leave your house and maybe go on public transport, go into the city. Yeah. Then. Does that work? Do you work? But to me, that's been smart because you are, yeah. You're doing what you love. My dad still asks me, when am I gonna get a proper job?

I've been, I've had death stories since I was 17. You're gonna get a proper job. But it's true, isn't it? But it's absolutely, it's that little voices. Yeah. The judgment from others. For sure. For sure. And so that's one thing that really grinds on me, is when people judge, I don't like judgment.

Judging and I think I've learned over the last few years anyway, is that. Whatever you do, however way you do it, you're always gonna be judged. Yeah. So if you can get yourself accepted as you are, and not everybody's gonna like you, they'll dislike something about you and that's fine.

But there'll be some people who do and maybe follow your inspiration and that's what I'm hoping for as well. Really. Yeah. Is that they will, and they do enjoy the Qigong and like I offer the community one. I was there this morning and. Had a few ladies. It was magical for me.

And one lady said, but you're giving your time. I said, yeah when do we start to pay? And I said, you don't, this is a community thing, it's about community and letting, because Qigong is not that big at the moment. It's not like yoga. Yeah. And it's about putting it out there and allowing people to come a few times and just feel the subtle changes in your body.

Yes. So it's. It's offering that sense of inspiration. Yeah. To be to Oh, absolutely. And also that would've been quite even more challenging this morning because it's about three degrees this morning. It was, we've been doing that, but thankfully it was inside. Whoa. So no grounding on the grass today?

No. It's nicer on the grass. It's nicer on the grass. It's nicer on the grass. So when you say, obviously you've become aware of this, self-awareness has led you to understand about your conditioning. Is there a truth that you've actually come to believe? Is there a truth that I've come to believe with the conditioning?

So you've had this, you've, as I say, you've let go of all of these things. There's all of these things that you've let go of this whole unraveling. So if we reflect now on what you've learned through all of that, is there. Is there some truth that, or is there something that you've come to believe about yourself that you know to be true?

Yeah, a lot of what I have been conditioned with probably wasn't me. It wasn't me, my authentic self. So yeah, I think with that, the how can I explain? Is when you are conditioned, you don't realize you're being conditioned because. You just go along with things that you know, oh yeah, that's a good idea.

You're good at that. You should do that. Oh yeah, I'm gonna do that then. And it's not your own self. It's not, and it's usually from being child. So you're not even, you're not even giving that self awareness to, to realize that's right. Actually this isn't you. Yeah. That's exactly it. So I suppose, just going back a second, is that a point I wanted to make is that I was afraid.

For many years. I'm not so anymore, but I was afraid what people would think. And that came back though from the conditioning. Yes. So I've learned that, you know what, just be yourself. Yeah. And sometimes people might ask, but I don't know who I am anymore. And that is what I'm trying to do here, is trying to inspire people by listening to their inner body.

To start tuning into them who they as a person and what qualities they have and how they can do this. And part of that is energy, obviously. It's a huge part and this is where reiki is starting to come into it. Yeah. But also the Qigong, because with the Qigong and the meditation that I offer, it's starting to allow people to just quieten down this close down the outside noise.

I don't know if I really answered your question there. I think, I think you did because it's it's about what's true for you right now. And I think what's true for you is has been that whole kind of slowing everything down, listening to your body and knowing that, you have all the answers within you, but also.

What's true for you is what you offer to others. You know how you can share that with others. Yeah. And as you say, you've got your community Qigong and all of those things, so I think that's, that feels true for you. All of that's true for you. As well. I think what really set me off was the C 19 thing and that segregation.

Yeah. And I feel really passionate about bringing people together, not segregating them. Yeah. And I was one of those segregated but yeah, so I wanna bring people together. And inspire people to come together, but also with, the technology side of things. It's great, isn't it, to have that, but isn't it so much nicer when you connect to people in the real and even have a conversation?

And so I think that's me as well. I'm, when I get a little bit of fire in the belly, I really. I'm inspired to push that even more. Yes. So that's the drive, yeah. Is to connect to people. But really because in an ever changing world where, robots were a part of they're already around us, aren't they?

The, the AI and everything. It, there's nothing like coming from here in this center, which keeps us alive. Yeah. And offers so much more the joy, the passion. So it's about connecting to others with that energy as well. And from a place of love, love. Beats all.

It beats ai, it beats your chap GBT or whatever, and the bloody technology. It's so true. It's so true. It's like it's our ultimate connection. Connection, isn't it, with humans. This is what we're supposed to be, aren't we? We're, they're trying change us and make makers like think all in the same line and control.

Maybe what we buy, I don't want to get into politics, but keep that connection going with the heart and the soul. Yeah. Humanity, humans yeah, exactly right. Exactly right. From a place of authenticity and this is what I've got to start getting out there because, before you know it, you'll have your Reiki courses online that are prerecorded, but you've gotta ask yourself the question.

Is it really their voice? Yes. Or is it somebody else's? Yeah. You can, the meditations are the same. Know that my meditations when I get out there on Spotify will be from the soul. Yeah. And the intention and the vision of that guided meditation is channeled from a higher source. Yeah. And I can say having experienced your meditations that they are.

Something else. They're so good. So good. So I would say I was gonna to you or parting words, but I think you've given so many, you've given so many gifts already. But if for a moment, if I were to step you into a time machine and you get 20 minutes to spend with your younger self, what nugget of wisdom are you gonna share with her?

Year old or if a younger you Yeah, a younger me. If I could have said, which you can't always, but if I could have said if I could have started this journey in my twenties, whoa. It would've been magical. And I've got the ideas, of. All that we could have done. And yeah. And with the upcycling, what I like doing the creative, and I would've opened a retreat in France.

Honestly, I would've, that's what I would've done. You can't look back, but nevermind. Maybe in the future. Yeah. Yeah. So if you were to go back now and you were to say to your 20-year-old self I think you should do this. Would your 20 year self old self at that time have listened to you?

No, because back then I probably was in that materialistic. Vibration. Yeah. But what I would say is look, Sarah, don't hold no resentment because resentment causes disease in the body. I've experienced that and resentment actually has no opportunities. It's a waste of energy. No regrets. Don't look back.

There's no looking back. No, always. You're not going that way. No. Look forward. And let go of guilt, any guilt because it eats you alive from within. So those few things and what I really wanna do say to that younger girl who probably would've laughed at me but it's so gratitude and it's the little things.

That wake up on the morning and thank your feet that you can actually jump out of bed and go for your toilet trip, yeah. Or, bring it into your heart that you're alive and you're here to experience. And the thing is that, you'll never, you'll probably never. Be, you might be guided, but you'll never take maybe people's advice.

And that's right in a way, because you've gotta experience it. But if there's a little bit of inspiration that you can grab onto of enlightenment that may help you, put the fireflies on the path for you to guide you, then be open to it. Because it's really special and it, some people call it spirituality, but spirituality is not about walking around in bare feet all the time.

No. It's, we're grounded. We know that we've gotta live on this plane and you've gotta have food to be able to sustain. But yeah, so I just hope to move forward. Inspiring, empowering and enlightening and guiding others. Yeah, I think you do that in everything you do. I think you are incredible human.

And finally, if you could give one sentence or piece of advice to someone who is deep in their own unraveling, what would it be?

Stop. I would say ignite. Your might be a bit longer than a sentence. Go for it. Tell me the paragraph. Ignite. A short paragraph. Ignite your inner awareness. So ignite that. You can ask me how to do it. You. Ignite it. Start to tune in to there's much, much more. If you're at that point in life where you're struggling you may be at a crossroads.

It might be due to children leaving home or separation or whatever it is. Stop, ignite your inner self. Tune into yourself. Be inspired with what you start to learn along the way. Get books, start reading. Start listening to meditations doing Qigong. Come to community Qigong. Yeah. And then be illuminated.

People see a difference in you can start by just getting out of bed with some gratitude. And having gratitude in your daily life opens you up to new opportunities and start when you start to tune in and to ask for signs to be seen. What are they? How can I things will start coming into your life and forget about what's happened, what the past is Only look forward.

Do you know what? I'm gonna tick your box for being inspired because you really are. And you are just such a, you're such a beautiful soul, and it's always an absolute joy to talk to you. Thank you. I'm, where can people find you? Sarah? Tell, give me your, tell me. Tell people. Tell the people where they can find you.

So I've actually still, I'm on Instagram. I've just started, I used to have the wellness center used to have a Facebook page that I closed down, but I just started, again, I'm not a Vail first Facebooky person 'cause I find it really fake. And I don't often get clients from there anyway. It's word of mouth or if you google my business name, which is Art and Soul, which it's the art.

And the soul of the mind, the body and the home. Basically, that's what it's called, art and Soul. So it's A-R-T-E-N-S-O-U-L. And if you put that into Google, it comes up there. You can find it on my website. I am on Instagram more so you can find me on Instagram out in Seoul coast. On there and obviously my phone number, if anyone wants to reach out, please feel free to do send me a message or gimme a call. Probably best to message first 'cause there's so many scammers that call you and I don't answer the phone. Don't. Sad, don't. It's true. And of course, at the moment you're as you said, mentioned before, you're like. Like neck deep at the moment into your human design study as well.

So I think that's gonna be the next, yeah. Yes, it will be. Yeah, I'm starting already on case studies, so I've only got 15% left to do on the course. A couple more zooms and then hopefully by the end of the year next year I'll be opening that up as well in a page. And that is really.

Interesting. Connected to the unraveling as well, knowing who you are and finding more of an identity of who you are as well. And reiki as well can also do that when you start to tune into yourself and start giving yourself the time to work on your own body with your own healing hands. Fantastic.

Thank you so much for joining me today far. It's been an absolute pleasure chatting to you, and I'm sure that everybody's gonna have taken so much value away from our conversation, so I hope so. Thank you. Thank you for the invite.