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Episode 53: Therapy, ADHD, and To-Do Lists: One Woman's Path to Flow with Emily Guerra

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Emily Guerra, productivity life coach and founder of The Productivity Flow, shares her journey from struggling with undiagnosed ADHD to building a thriving coaching business that helps women, solopreneurs, and hybrid workers achieve work-life balance.

• Growing up with divorced parents who prioritized her mental health by sending her to therapy
• Using organization systems and workflows as coping mechanisms for undiagnosed ADHD
• Losing wedding planning job opportunities during COVID-19 pandemic
• Transitioning to social media management for entrepreneurs
• Noticing clients lacked work-life balance and effective productivity systems
• Building confidence by acknowledging and celebrating past accomplishments
• Maintaining a "badass list" to review during moments of self-doubt
• Releasing financial pressure to focus on impact rather than income
• Having a vision while remaining open to unexpected opportunities
• Understanding that true productivity comes from clarity and intention, not busywork

Find Emily at theproductivityflow.com or on Instagram @theproductivityflow where she offers one-on-one coaching and free resources through her blog.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome. Welcome back to Brandon Held. Life is Crazy and we have another great show today and I feel honestly very lucky with this show because I meet the greatest people who bring just phenomenal information to you guys, and I'm so blessed that I get to have great people like this on my show. And today I have Emily Guerra and she's a productivity life coach and a mindful productivity speaker and a founder of the Productivity Flow and she is just phenomenal at what she does and I'm excited to talk to her today. How are you doing today, emily?

Speaker 2:

I am doing so good. How are you, Brandon?

Speaker 1:

I'm doing very well, thank you. So let's dive right in. Why don't you tell the listeners just a little bit about yourself?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, of course. Well, firstly, thank you so much for that lovely intro. Truly all smiles over here, so I really appreciate it. And, like you said, I am a productivity life coach and founder of the Productivity Flow. A lot of people know what a productivity coach is. A lot of people know what a life coach is Not. A lot of people know what a productivity life coach is, and so I really blend the two together and I focus a lot also on work-life balance and using productivity as a tool to secure that work-life balance right. So I focus mainly on empowering women, solopreneurs and hybrid workers, on overcoming different mindset hurdles, as well as optimizing their work from home, schedule, routine and systems so that way they can actually achieve work life balance.

Speaker 1:

That's great. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people could use that. I mean, honestly, my own wife could use that. She's not very good at balancing her time. She even because I'm a life coach also. She even asked me like, are you going to life coach me so I can become and I'm just like love, I'm your husband? I don't really think that's going to work, so so anyway, yeah.

Speaker 2:

I know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. So I know, I know that you know it's needed and I'm sure, um, I'm sure that you're great at it, uh, and but what I want to do, obviously, is what we do here is start off with your story, right, we like to have the story of where you started and how you got to where you are. Just let's walk through that a little bit. Let's just start with what was your childhood like?

Speaker 2:

Oh, I love that question. I feel like I always end up starting at the beginning of my career, but we're really taking it back, which?

Speaker 1:

is awesome. Oh, we're going back. Yeah, for sure, I love it.

Speaker 2:

I love it. So my childhood was a very happy childhood. I was born and raised in Los Angeles, California, one of the few like non-transplants.

Speaker 2:

I was actually born and raised here so that's always a good, fun fact that I like to share with everyone. I will say my parents did actually get divorced when I was pretty young. They started the process when I was around 10 years old and it lasted for quite a while and they ended up really disliking each other and not willing to talk to one another, especially when I got into high school, and I think one of the best things that my parents ever did for me was send me to therapy during that time.

Speaker 1:

Wow, yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2:

And the fact that they really weren't talking, they really weren't friends, but they did communicate about me and they did come to the decision together to have my mental health empowered. I thought, looking back, that's such a big thing of them to do especially considering that therapy wasn't a norm back then, like it really wasn't a common thing, especially for kids.

Speaker 2:

I was the only kid I knew of in therapy, and so at first I kind of felt like, okay, well, there must be something wrong with me, which is why my parents are sending me to therapy, right Like it's my fault that they got divorced or they're fighting or whatever. But through them joining therapy sessions with me, through open dialogue, learning how to communicate with each other, learning how to talk about mental health and all of these challenging topics really helped me grow out of that anger, resentment and fear towards them and really helped me build my relationship with them. So I feel like I have a very strong relationship both with my dad and with my mom, and I honestly have therapy to thank for it. So when I think of my childhood, that's one of the biggest lessons and coolest things I think my parents ever did for me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean even the fact that you start off your discussion with I had a great childhood, right, and then you go into this story of something that doesn't sound great and I very much lived your story, not as the child but as the parent. I have two sons that were nine and seven when I was divorcing their mother and it was an ugly custody battle type situation and I put my oldest one in therapy last year as well and I hope they look back and say they had a great childhood despite that, just like you did. That's really cool that you can say that after going through that.

Speaker 2:

A testament to my parents.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure, a hundred percent for sure your kids will say the same. I hope so. That's what I'm hoping. That's why it kind of hit me when you said that, because I went through the same thing and you're calling your childhood a great childhood. So that's amazing. So you get through your childhood and at what point in, like your teen years, did you know where you wanted to go, what you wanted to do? Talk me through that process.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so when I was really in high school and in college, I would honestly like struggle a lot with school and my dad is a college professor, my mom's a historic tour guide, my eldest brother ended up being a history teacher. My other eldest brother is an entrepreneur, started a really successful business, so I feel like I had a lot to live up to Right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, pressure.

Speaker 2:

So much pressure.

Speaker 2:

And because I was struggling with just like basic things and like math systems as my sort of like medication. And then post-college I was actually diagnosed with ADHD. So it made high school and college. There was a light bulb moment. I was like, oh, that's why I was struggling, because I have ADHD, but I didn't get any extra time in class or any extra time for tests or anything like that. And so I realized in hindsight, looking back, that I actually used organization systems, workflows, routines as my ADHD medication before I realized I even needed any. So that became part of my identity. So that became part of my identity and my identity. Starting so young, I naturally gravitated actually towards event planning and I loved the organization of it. I loved how it was just one big workflow that you have to work through and it gets creative and you can customize that workflow and it's really a fun way to tap into that systems and those organizations that I really fell in love with.

Speaker 2:

And so throughout college, throughout high school, I was actually doing a bunch of event planning internships and I landed on wedding planning and so I was doing that all throughout college with internships and different jobs and stuff, and I had two wedding planning jobs lined up for my postgraduate life too, and so that, I think, really kind of set the foundation for what I do now, but also for me even enjoying the wedding planning and leaning into that as my career choice when I was graduating college.

Speaker 1:

What a great explanation of exactly what you were going through, and I don't know how many kids listen to this show. But definitely one thing I'm learning on this show and people are learning is you don't have to be great at math to do well in life. Because I just had an entrepreneur on the other day he's older, he's in his mid-60s, he's done really well in life and he was bad at math too and he actually thought, you know, he was kind of dumb because he wasn't good at math. Yeah, so it's funny how much that weighs on people.

Speaker 1:

Where I was the opposite, I was actually really good at math and not good at any other subject except for like gym, right, and I still thought I was dumb and I was still really good at math. So it's all perspective, right, it's all how we look at it. And also to equal what you were saying in a different way, I grew up in a life of chaos and I joined the Air Force at 17 and the Air Force taught me structure and discipline and I implemented that into my life and I absolutely love structure and discipline and being organized and stuff, and but it was just for a totally different reason. I felt like I had control when before I felt like I had no control.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I love what you just said there had control when before I felt like I had no control. Oh, I love what you just said there, because I think that's kind of the source of what we're all really going for right.

Speaker 2:

We can feel this lack of control and oftentimes organization systems. Getting it all together helps you find that sense of control again and honestly like that's really what I help my coaching clients find again Like where is it in your life that you feel like you don't have control over and what can we do to gain that control back? Right? So I really love what you said there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think for a lot of us except for people who have more of a free spirit, if you will a lot of us are just control. We want to have some control of aspects of our life. We don't need to control everything, but as much as we can control and dictate how our life is going to go. It gives us comfort, it gives us peace and I think that's OK. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Speaker 2:

I don't think so at all. In fact, that's just how our brain is wired Right, like when we actually think about evolution and the caveman days. Right, like without control, you didn't know if you could survive. So bringing that into the modern era. We don't have to worry about lions potentially eating us or getting the poisonous berries we're not cavemen anymore but we still do have that wiring right and so having that awareness and understanding of.

Speaker 2:

it's okay that I need a sense of control in some areas, and maybe I can also acknowledge that I don't need a sense of control in some other areas, because life is unpredictable.

Speaker 1:

There's yeah, and it all, and it also helps you clear the muddy waters we get. We get so much information thrown at us in this life and we're trying to figure out, okay, what's real, what's not real, what's right, what's wrong, what works for me, what doesn't work for me, and so, yeah, you use those tools to help you understand what works for you. All right, so now you've where did you go to college?

Speaker 2:

I went to Loyola Marymount University. It's also in Los Angeles, so I really stayed in LA, yeah.

Speaker 1:

You really stayed. So, yeah, I know Loyola Marymount. Okay. So you went to Loyola Marymount. You became a wedding planner. You found that was something you were great at and that's what you were going to do. So pick up where you left off.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So I unfortunately ended up graduating in 2020, and we all know what 2020 brought. Um when the COVID-19 lockdown began, weddings stopped and I lost my two postgraduate jobs before I even officially started them, because the lockdown began literally three weeks before graduation, and so within three weeks I lost my jobs, I lost my apartment and I had no future. Everything I had planned was gone.

Speaker 1:

Like a lot of people Like most people honestly.

Speaker 2:

And yeah right, this is a story that probably every single one of your listeners is yep, been there. I really relate.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Because it was just the sense of what was happening to everybody during COVID and so many people. I took a couple of months honestly to sulk, to be mad at the world to be mad at. Covid and I ended up moving in with my older brother and his wife and their three kids, so going from a sorority house to a house with three kids was quite a transition in and of itself right.

Speaker 2:

and then just add the fact that it was in the midwest, in the suburbs where, born and raised in LA, I'm a very much a city girly over here, and so then going to the suburbs of the Midwest in Illinois with kids, it was just such a transition that I wasn't mentally prepared for. I bet and so it kind of fed into my sulking a little bit and I actually I've kept up with therapy ever since my parents put me in therapy when I was a little bit so of course I changed therapists, found one that I really connected with and I've been with her since I was a sophomore in college.

Speaker 2:

So we have a history and she's like so don't just gloss over that part.

Speaker 1:

I think that's important, right. I've been to therapy and I've probably been through I don't know eight to 10 different therapists, and it's important to recognize they're not all built the same. You have to find the right one that works for you. And I think that's an important message, because I've actually heard people, and maybe you have too oh, I went to therapy once. It didn't work for me. Yeah, you didn't have the right therapist, it wasn't the right fit. You have to keep going till you find the right person.

Speaker 2:

No, that's such an important point and I'm really glad you paused me there, because there were several moments where I felt really guilty about ending it with a therapist and I felt like it was my fault, like I couldn't I don't even know what Like I couldn't I don't even know what, like I couldn't do something.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you were taking the blame for it not working out, and that's most people.

Speaker 2:

That's such a human tendency to do and I think, just like with a coach, a doctor, like really any other profession, you would shop around, you would make sure that you actually resonate with them and you feel comfortable with them and you really enjoy the way that they do things right. So you should take that same practice with a therapist 100%, and you should never feel guilty about doing something that makes you better and that makes you more comfortable.

Speaker 2:

So if that means switching it up. That's okay and that's part of the process, part of the journey.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and not being ashamed to be in therapy. That's also really important because that might stop people from trying to go to get help because they're worried about how they are perceived because they go to a therapist. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that If you get the right one, like Emily is saying, they are phenomenal. They help you a lot.

Speaker 2:

They do Truly Right and honestly. I believe every single person in this world needs therapy, even therapists, I agree. I agree there's a lot of things.

Speaker 1:

I think I've been through two branches of military and I've been through Air Force and Army boot camp and, frankly, I think every male should go through military boot camp. I really believe that in my heart That'll never happen.

Speaker 2:

No, so true. Yeah, honestly, my therapist kind of helps me realize during that time when I was really just mad at COVID, mad at the world, mad at the wedding planning industry, mad at everything and everyone right, she helps me realize that it wasn't serving me, it was really just keeping me stuck and I was waiting for life to happen to me.

Speaker 1:

I was not taking life and making it happen.

Speaker 2:

And that really hit me because I was like I just graduated college, this is supposed to be my time and I need to go make life happen. And so I really took that and that became kind of the fuel for me to figure out my next moves. And so I actually I grew up with social media. I knew of a good amount of entrepreneurs at the time who are looking for some help with their social media, so I got certified as a social media manager online and I reached out to these entrepreneurs and secured them as clients and just started doing social media services as a freelancer on my own right started earning some money too yeah, I need a social media manager everyone honestly does

Speaker 2:

yeah, I do, no doubt I do and so it really was like working with these entrepreneurs and working for myself that I kind of realized nobody had work life balance. Everyone was burning out. Nobody really had the workflows or the systems to ensure that their goals were being met. A lot of people didn't even understand what their goals were or what their vision for their future business or their future life was.

Speaker 1:

Sure.

Speaker 2:

There was a lot of a lack of clarity and because of the lack of clarity, there was a lack of intention, and that also then led to burnout, because you're doing everything when you have no intention.

Speaker 2:

You're just a busybody at the end of the day, but you're not making any real progress. And so I think, with my just love and passion for organization and workflows and routines, and what really started for me in high school, just kind of all came to a head when I started doing my social media services, because I was like you guys, there has to be a better way. Let's figure out that better way together, right? And so I naturally started coaching my social media clients on how to create those systems, create those workflows, actually automate as much as you can, set those goals, work backwards so that way you ensure your systems help you reach those goals all of the things that I was just so passionate about. And I ended up helping my social media clients out so much that they suggested I start a coaching business doing exactly this with other freelancers, solopreneurs, and now I'm also now helping out hybrid workers as well, and so that's exactly what I did in 2022. I got certified and I founded the productivity flow, and I've been coaching ever since.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, what a great story. I mean for so many reasons. One you realized I have to go make this happen. It's not going to happen for me. I have to go make this happen. Fortunately or unfortunately, I don't know how you want to look at it I knew that at a teenager. I grew up poor, drug, alcohol environment. I knew that when I became an adult my life was on me. I was going to go have to make it work. So that hit me really early in life and that's a big motivator that it really allows you to open your eyes and go oh crap, I got to do something here no-transcript.

Speaker 2:

I do have to admit it took me a minute to like work off the guts to actually do that and I got plenty of rejections. I still get plenty of rejections all the time.

Speaker 1:

It's a numbers game, for sure. But a lot of people don't understand that.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, and that was something that I think, one of the things that I did really well at the beginning and, honestly, even now.

Speaker 2:

it's a habit at this point, but is really reaching out to other entrepreneurs and other coaches and other people who are doing similar things to me and just picking their brain for five, 10 minutes and just asking them what was the biggest challenge you never saw coming and how did you overcome it? And just hearing so many themes across the board really helped me realize like, okay, it's okay that it's a numbers game, because that's the game all of us are playing. I'm not alone playing this game, right. So let me not like make myself so special by thinking I'm the only one doing this, but let me kind of seek in that community and having and sharing my challenges, sharing my journey, so that way I feel that connection with somebody else and I don't feel like I'm going through this alone, because when you're an entrepreneur, you are alone right and when you work from home, you are alone, you're isolated in so many ways. So, especially as you're starting out, you really do have to find ways to tap into your network, tap into or build a network, right.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

That for me, especially at the beginning, I was like have no network, just graduated, what do I do? Slow steps to build my network and be really intentional with that, I think, empowered me to do those scary risks and to do those scary things that I don't know if I would have had I not heard from other people in my shoes.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and that's why it's important that in your journey you share the things you were afraid to do and you feared because you still found a way to do it and get through it and maybe stumbled a little bit along the way and it wasn't as smooth as you would have hoped, but in the end it worked because you just did it and that's important.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, honestly. And I think the second most important thing is acknowledging that you did it and being proud of yourself. Yeah is acknowledging that you did it and being proud of yourself. Yeah, I think we so often overlook the wins that we can celebrate, because we're just focused on what's next. I'm guilty of that we could have done it better, yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1:

A lot of people have said certain things I've done in my life oh, you should be really proud of that. And I just think, eh, it was a part of life, it's what I needed to do. A lot of people don't have it in them to do it or get it done, and I never gave myself the credit for doing things in life, so that was something I had to learn later in life that I didn't know to do.

Speaker 2:

But the key thing that you just said there is that you learned it.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And, like I think that is my big message is that we can learn how to do that and, honestly, you really should, because that's how you build self-confidence right, that's how you build trust in yourself and that's also how you follow through on future challenges and future risks, because when a new challenges comes to, comes in front of you and you have this kind of like decision, do I go for it, do I not go for it? If you didn't celebrate your past wins, you may not remember that you actually did harder things.

Speaker 2:

And so then you may not take the risk because you're more focused on the fear instead of the ability.

Speaker 1:

That's a really good point, because we do, I think, basically have short memories as people and then we don't, yeah, so we don't look back at the huge wins that we kind of forgot about that we did in the past, and that's a great way to use that as a motivator that you can get something done. I never really put it in words like that, but, yeah, that's a great point you make there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and let me give a hack the way that I go about. This is so on my I have an iPhone and there's a notes app on your phone and I created a notes page and it's titled my badass list.

Speaker 1:

And I created a notes page and it's titled my badass list.

Speaker 2:

So anytime I do something that I'm like, oh, that looks pretty good, good job, right, I added to my badass list. And so that way, whenever I'm feeling a lack of confidence and self-doubt whatever the negative mindset may be I open up that list and I'm like, oh, I got this, look at all these amazing things I've done. Like I can up that list and I'm like, oh, I got this, look at all these amazing things I've done. Like I can do that, and so it can serve as a tool for that self-empowerment, especially in those sticky moments.

Speaker 1:

And when I was young I thought I was really dumb, Right. And then I ended up eventually in life getting an MBA and at that point I had learned to reward my successes and I was telling people, hey, I got an MBA, I got an MBA. And people were like you just brag about that MBA all the time and I'm like, hey, that's an achievement for me. This is something I never thought I would have in life. So I consider myself a humble person. I think humility is important to have as a person. But, man, I couldn't shut up about that NBA shoot when I got that thing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

See, and that kind of self-promotion it feels so uncomfortable for so many people because we're just not used to it. Yeah so start small, share it with yourself on a notes app and then eventually share it with one other person, a second person, and practice sharing it, because that's the only way you'll learn to get comfortable with it and also the only way you'll learn when, like, touting yourself, is the way to go, or when a little bit more humility is the way to go. Because that depends on the situation. It's never black and white.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the situation, the audience, and that's what it was. Never black and white. Yeah, the situation, the audience and that's what it was. People who maybe weren't as educationally successful. They were feeling intimidated about it, and that wasn't my intent. I was just proud and happy of what I had accomplished. Yeah, you definitely needed to be aware of who you were talking to in that situation. All right, you've been doing this productivity flow for three years now. Yeah, and how's that going overall? If you could give some people a little bit of advice right here, right now, without giving away the farm, what could you tell people?

Speaker 2:

I think number one go into building a business with a little bit of a savings.

Speaker 2:

Okay, go into building a business with a little bit of a savings okay, because I just did not actually plan out how I was going to be building the business or what that actually looked like. I just went ahead and got certified and really was living paycheck to paycheck before then and then college. Before then I really did not have a savings account that I feel like I could have used, whether as like a backup plan or to help me actually build the business. So because of that, there was so much added pressure. I was like I have to get a client, I have to get a client in order to pay the bills, and because I kept feeling that the universe is like no, you're not ready, you need to like no clients for you yet. And so once I really took the pressure off myself of actually making money and then more focused on the impact that I wanted to have, on the why am I starting this business?

Speaker 2:

It's not for me, it's for everyone else, it's for it's to empower as many people as I can to escape the hustle culture and actually find balance. And this could like totally change the game of the of a lot of things for a lot of people, and so that's what I really need to focus on, and as soon as I did, as soon as I really let go of the pressure to make money, money started rolling in.

Speaker 1:

I identify with that so much. My ultimate goal for this podcast and I know it's a high goal because they say 95% of podcasts fail is I do want it to be a money-making lifestyle. But instead of sitting here focusing on that and putting pressure on myself on that, my objective is to just put out a quality product, put out a podcast that people will enjoy and people want to listen to, and eventually it will get where it needs to go and deserves to go. But I'm not gonna sit here and stress over it not being where I want it to be. So I really relate to what you're saying there.

Speaker 2:

Totally right, it not being where I want it to be. So I really relate to what you're saying there, totally Right and, I think, very in tandem to what we're talking about here. We're also talking about, like, the vision that we have for our business, right, like you have this amazing vision of turning your podcast into like your moneymaker, right, I had that same vision for my coaching business, and so I think what's so important to just mention here is that you should absolutely have a vision, you should have goals, you should really understand what it is that you're working towards. It doesn't have to be fully baked, it could be half baked but have an idea.

Speaker 2:

So that way you can emotionally connect and so that way you also have a reason to go through all of the turmoil and you can actually come out of it being like I'm proud because I made a step closer to my vision yeah, steps is a part for sure, yeah, yeah the one caveat I have with a vision is that I don't want you to be so glued to it that you end up ignoring other opportunities or possibilities.

Speaker 2:

Sure, and that was a lesson I really had to learn, because I ended up turning down a couple of opportunities that, looking back, I really wish I didn't, but the reason I did was because, no, that doesn't align with my vision. So I shouldn't do it, because that's a distraction and sometimes it might be a distraction, sometimes it might not be a great opportunity, but a lot of the time it usually is a really great opportunity yeah, don't close yourself off, release the pressure and allow the journey, allow the process and trust in the process.

Speaker 2:

It's hard, easier said than I know, but that practice of like actually telling yourself I'm trusting the process, like that, can be huge. So I just wanted to mention that little caveat there because I think it's really aligned with what we were just talking about.

Speaker 1:

No, that's good stuff. I work a full time consultant job for the government. I'm a consultant for the government and the podcast thing I do quote unquote after work every day and I put three to five hours into this thing seven days a week. I don't even take weekends off. Vision of what we're doing. We can overlook positive things that could have helped us in life, and so absolutely those are great points because you don't just want to have that tunnel vision. Everything you can learn, everything you can take in you never know what path that'll take you down. You might accept something and it completely opens up a whole new world for you that you weren't prepared for or ready for. So that's great advice, I think as well.

Speaker 2:

Thank you.

Speaker 1:

I think it's pretty clear. We established that you know what you're talking about and you know what you're doing and you're're successful at it and you're doing well. Let's just let everyone know how can they reach you, emily Guerra, to get your magnificent productivity flow coaching.

Speaker 2:

Oh, thank you for asking. You can find me at theproductivityflowcom. There you'll see in the menu that there's a coaching button. Go ahead and click that and you'll see all the options. And then I also want to throw out there that I have a blog with a ton of free resources, because I am all about about empowering as many people as I can. So if you're not ready for one on one, then definitely go check out that blog, download some free resources and you can get started on improving your work from home lifestyle on your own.

Speaker 1:

Great. So that's your website. We follow each other on Instagram, so I know you have a great Instagram. Tell people your Instagram.

Speaker 2:

I totally forgot that.

Speaker 1:

Thanks for reminding me, no problem.

Speaker 2:

At the productivity flow.

Speaker 1:

There you go, same. So if it's not in your brain by now, it's the productivity flow. If you don't know that by now, One more time, just in case.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

So just in case you didn't know. Well, emily, it's been great having you on here. I know I reached out to you to ask you to be on my show and I really don't do that much, to be honest with you. Most of my guests are people that asked to be on my show. But I saw who you are and what you were doing and I thought, wow, she could add some real value to the listeners.

Speaker 2:

Thank, you so much. That means a lot. I'm truly so honored to have chatted with you and to have joined you, and this was so valuable and this was so valuable, so I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and as well. For me, you discussed very important things that brought things up and I learned a little bit something from you, as I do most of my guests really but you can't learn anything if you don't have these conversations and you make this happen Again. It's the productivity flow just in case you forgot either Instagram or her website and take advantage of her skills and what she's learned and what she can teach you. So get to her, learn that stuff. And for me, I have my website, brandonhellcom. I'm just asking you I am a life coach, but I'm not asking you to go get my life coaching. I'm asking you to go subscribe to my podcast. I have a subscribe to the podcast button right there. It's only 10 bucks a month. That's nothing. And if you subscribe, I have a few episodes a month, two or three episodes a month that I do exclusive for my podcast subscribers. And just go to my website, brandonhellcom, and do that. I also want to promote my Instagram as well. It's not as simple as Emily, sadly, but it is bh underscore life underscore is underscore crazy. And go follow me on Instagram and let me know you followed me from the podcast and I'll follow you back.

Speaker 1:

And this has been Brandon Held. Life is crazy and I'll talk to you next time. Outro Music.

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