Two Unlikely Christians
Following a chance meeting in 2024, Mississippi comedian Pat McCool and UK based psychotherapist Richard Turrell, have built a relationship based on their shared faith in Jesus and the dramatic changes coming to faith has had, and continues to have on their lives. They talk, laugh and share that journey as an expression of their passion to help others have the same experience.
Two Unlikely Christians
Ep 20: From Darkness to Light
Pat and Richard discuss a video message from Pastor Brian Trent, that describes the impact and transformation that happens in how we look at our past sins and transgressions, after we become followers of Jesus.
And welcome to the two Unlikely Christians podcast. I am comedian Pat McCool coming to you from the banks of a lake deep in the Piney Woods of Southern Mississippi and across the Deep Blue Sea to London, England, where we find. Our co-host, esteemed psychotherapist and addiction specialist, and the man who has just left a tale of thousands of tears from all the heartbroken ladies because he is now off the market. Richard Turrell.
Rich:Thank you, pat. A wonderful introduction as always. I'm very well, thank you. Yeah, very well. Not so sure about that trail of tears, but, uh, but yeah, no, I'm good. Thank you.
Pat:You
Rich:don't
Pat:know it was you devastated him. So how was the, how was the wedding? All went well.
Rich:Yeah, it was beautiful, man. Really beautiful and very small. You know, like just the, uh, four of us and my pastor, our pastor and um, you know, a worship singer, a friend of ours who's a worship singer. And, um. Yeah, it was beautiful. It was really wonderful. Thank you.
Pat:Sorry I couldn't be there to do a few minutes, you know? Yeah.
Rich:That was the, that was all that was missing, pat. It was all that was missing. Yeah. I don't
Pat:think it, I don't think anything was missing the small, intimate weddings. As I've told you, might have mentioned to you once or twice before that I got married in a double wide trailer. Just me and my wife and, uh, K bucket of KSC. His wife
Speaker 3:and uh, and it lasted 35 years, is still going strong. So the small ones, can work there. I don't know if I ever told you I've been married 35 years, but. There you go. You have
Pat:like, it, it,
Rich:it's steered in my consciousness.
Speaker 3:It's one of my, it's one of my badges of honor there. Yeah.
Rich:I lay on my deathbed. That'll be, you know, that'll be one of the last things I say because married 35
Speaker 3:years
Rich:up podcast. He was married for 35 years. Oh, obviously I hope that when I'm on my deathbed, you'll have been married for longer than that'cause
Pat:was. Let hope, because that means I'll live, past today actually in February it'll be 36. The main thing is I messed up a lot of things that one I didn't mess up, which is kind of gonna lead us into, to our pod, uh, to our topic today that I'm very excited about. And by the way, uh, so you guys are just as. As typical would happen as you get married, everybody fell sick a week later. Right, so you're running. Yeah. So what kind of bug is going through? Is it London or the family or the, is there flu?
Rich:Uh, it's just the change of seasons. Like everyone's got a, you know, a coldy coffee sort of, it's not a flu thing, it's just like, just a bit croaky and Fleming and you wake up and one of your nostrils doesn't work and'cause your nostrils not working. You've been breathing through your mouth all night and you feel like someone broken and. You know, did, did something unpleasant in your mouth. And you know, it's just that sort, just that kind of vibe really, you know? Yeah, yeah. Well, to sort of take the morning cup of coffee and it inhale the steam just to get things moving a little bit.
Pat:Yeah. Get you a, uh, get a vaporizer. You like a little vix vapor rub. You ever try that? Try to clear the nostril cell. Yeah. A little.
Rich:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, that's, uh, that's, you know, all various medications and that obviously I was just really, um, sort of the coffee thing was just for, just for effect really. But just effect. Yeah.
Pat:You don't, you don't drink coffee. I know You don't drink coffee. I do drink quite a You don't? I drink coffee. Yeah.
Rich:Oh, I thought you told me you
Pat:didn't drink coffee.
Rich:No, I told you I don't drink tea. Oh. So everyone thinks that British people drink tea, you know, cup of tea. Yeah. And, um, but I don't drink, I don't drink tea. I have drunk tea, but I don't like tea.
Pat:I don't, I thought most British people did drink tea, so I've thought, well, this is, this is
Rich:where we got to last on that. Yeah. As a matter, as a matter of
Pat:fact, we would probably still be one country except for you. You remember the Boston Tea Party, right?
Rich:I mean, not personally, but yeah, I'm, yeah, I mean, you probably don't
Pat:celebrate it kind of like we do over there, but, but had that ship been loaded with coffee and not tea, we'd still be one country.'cause no way we're dumping a whole ship full of coffee in, into the Boston Harbor. Yeah. It's
Rich:not a, it's not a piece of history we focus on as much as you, but also like we move on, you know, like we, it's just, we moved on, you know.
Speaker 3:I, I got
Rich:you. It's interesting. It's like a breakup. Yeah. Like where one person goes and gets on with the rest of their life and the other person's like sort of still talking about it, like quite bitterly, you know, you like, I bring it up every now and then. It's a bit, it's a bit like that, you know, the, the obsession with independence though.
Speaker 3:Uh, well, I, any,
Rich:you might have to edit that out, pat. Obviously I know that's not gonna be too popular with necessarily our base, you know, but, uh, but yeah.
Pat:I still think we're kind of one, one big, uh, one big family there, so,
Rich:well, we are, aren't we? We're all God's children, man.
Pat:We are God's children. And to me it was just a little bit more of a, uh, little bit of a civil war there. And the, and we have Thanksgiving, which was something we all kind of, we celebrated. We were still the one big happy family We had Thanksgiving and it is Thanksgiving week. Do you guys have anything like that?
Rich:No. We just have Christmas. Okay. You like, we don't have Thanksgiving.
Pat:No, we like, it sort of feels
Rich:like a sort of, do you know what the word snide means?
Pat:Yeah, I know what snide means.
Rich:Like, so we would use that to say fake, like that would be a slang term. So if you like, if you had like a snide Oh, proud trainers. Yeah. No, no. See, we'd say he is wearing snide trainers, so Thanksgiving feels like snide Christmas.
Pat:No, no. See, well, you're misinterpreting Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving was the fact that it was actually, we were, we were still all together is when we came over here and, uh, almost starved to death. And the Lord brought us through, uh, actually there was a native named sto. Uh, and one of the reasons he was able to help the, uh, to help the. The future Colonist was because he had been in England and spoke in England, and he spoke English. Most people don't really know that, but it's actually a great holiday because, it's where we're we give thanks and we give thanks to the Lord for all of our blessings. And, uh, that's what we have going on. And one of the things I give thanks for is, not traveling this week. And so we sit around and watch football and we eat and just lay around, sit on the couch. And I'm, I have an oly, I'm an Olympic gold medalist at doing that, so I'm gonna look excited about looking forward to it. So anyway, we, let's get on to our topic today, which I'm very excited about. I'm gonna play you a video, but before we. I play you this video? We do. I have an update. Do you remember the post when on the episode overcoming
Rich:Yeah. From
Pat:our friend from the main board. Do you remember that?
Rich:Yeah, one 100%. I remember that. Yeah.
Pat:Okay. We have an update and. Without going, without rehashing all of it. The, for those that ha never listened to that episode, don't know what we're talking about. There's a message board that I go on and we're men or men full of testosterone. We brag about our sports team. We brag about all success. We've never actually had, but nobody knows it'cause we're just posting on a message board. Basically a place where no one would go to admit their failures or say anything bad about themselves. So yeah.
Speaker 3:Sure.
Pat:Got up one morning and this person had posted this, this, again, this is on a message board where you, you know, you're not gonna go on there and start admitting failures. I forget the top of the, I forget the headline of his post, but this is what our friend said that Friday morning at 7:34 AM. I went to my first meeting yesterday evening. This has been a hard process to begin. My body detoxed yesterday, and I'm still going through it today. The final straw was Dr. Drinking an entire bottle of liquor Wednesday morning before even leaving the house. I went to work and an hour into it, could barely stand. Coworker drove me home. Never been more embarrassed in my life. I am fortunate to not have completely thrown everything. I've worked so hard far away, and my boss said he isn't ready to give up on me, even though I told him he should fire me. He offered me grace in the time. I deserve none. I will beat this. The withdrawals are rough. But I'm really ready to be done. I'm disgusted with myself and what I've become. I'm asking for some prayers as I battle through this, and I know I'm not going to let it beat me. I'm too young. Just had my one year wedding anniversary and we were looking at buying a house. I'm just tired of lying to everyone and myself, and we talked extensively about that. You gave tips. Um,'cause which is what you do, you deal with this every day. As an addiction specialist, we have been praying for this guy. And, uh, one note on that day when he was talking about the disgust and the shame and everything, he felt, we all came to the conclusion that the day that he was the most disgusted and ashamed of himself, we all felt like was the day that he showed the most bravery. We show. He showed the most. Strength in coming out, admitting he had a problem and deciding to do something about it. So here's the follow up. Uh, just want to let you, this came in about two weeks ago. Just wanna let y'all know that today, mark's 100 days sober. Everyone here was so helpful and uplifting. It's been really good. My relationship with the Lord has grown and I feel like a new man. My life has dramatically improved already. No more random fights with my wife. No tired mornings, no more. Spending hundreds of dollars on booze every month. Heck, I even got a promotion at work, a place where I should have probably been fired. God is so good and so am I now. God bless.
Rich:Amazing. How about that Rich? Yeah. Praise the Lord, man. You know, that's, uh, that's phenomenal. That's recovery, isn't it? You know? Yeah. Yeah. From that place of like absolute despair and brokenness, you know, rock bottom. Um. You know, that's where the, you know, that day he spoke, you said, you know, that's the day, you know, that's the day he showed the most courage. But, you know, that's the, that's the day when everything changed, right? I mean, it was certainly my experience. You, you know, like when you, you have to be that beaten down and broken to, uh. To really start to make those changes. So, but yeah, it's fantastic. Thank you for bringing that part. Thank you for sharing that.
Pat:Well, I was excited to, to see that we've been praying about him and it just goes to show anybody out there listening that A is in battling with this themselves, have loved ones out there. No people that are going through it. You can'cause this guy, imagine where he was a hundred now is probably about 115 days ago. Now look at the victory that he's starting to live in. And, it can be done. I know it doesn't always end that way, and you deal with it on a daily basis, but it can be done. Um, which, and it all happened because he made one decision. One decision changed everything. Which leads me to our topic today. The topic today is something that just hit me like a ton of bricks and it, you don't know what I'm gonna talk about Richard, but you will know just as soon as I play this for you. Because we both have experienced this, and this is a video that I'm going to play by a pastor named, Brian Trent from South Carolina. I have an affinity for South Carolina. Got my first paid comedy, um, gig in Columbia, South Carolina, and I played the Comedy House theater there quite a bit. But this gentleman is the pastor of, I believe, lighthouse Church. And, uh, Hammond. It's in South Carolina, Hammond, South Carolina. I, I might be wrong on the word there, but this is an anointed man of God that posts. A lot of, uh, videos, video clips, just encouraging clips. Uh, a lot of anointed wisdom that has come down from God that he post on there. And I've been following him about a year ago and this one he played and it just hit me like a ton of bricks.'cause it really opened my eyes to something that, that I knew had taken place. But I subconsciously but had never really noticed it. But it's kind of part of what you and I are and what we do. So I'm gonna play this. If it's coming through, good. Uh,'cause I'm not embedding it into the audio. Just gimme a thumbs up. But let's play this and then let's discuss. This is Pastor Brian Trent. And if, uh, anyone that wants to follow him, it's called Trent Tribe on Facebook. He's got about a million followers and it was about a half a million last year. So a lot of people are being encouraged by him. I know that I certainly have been, but Trent Tribe on Facebook, and when I emailed him to ask him if I could play this, I addressed him as Pastor Tribe, and then my wife quickly pointed out. That I'm an idiot because Trent tribe is just the name of his family or his group. And his name is Brian Trent. Um, that's another, see, being married, you will get reminded of, if you have a tendency to be an idiot, like I, I do, you will get reminded of that. But let's hear this video.
Speaker 4:You know, grace doesn't excuse sin, but it doesn't, it's power to, yeah. Did I share something with you that took me 30 years to learn after? No one talked about it. Dan, still don't hear many talk about today, but it's such a dynamic truth that I'm gonna share with you. See, before I come to know Christ, my own sin stood between me and Jesus, and it cast a shadow backward over me, my identity. So I was always living in the shadow sin. In other words, my sin, my past, my. Jesus, the light has moved, shines from a different direction because sin no longer stands between me and Jesus because he now resides in me. You see, when Christ enters your life, the light source shifts. You're no longer standing in front of grace trying to earn it. You're now standing in grace. So that changes everything you see. You no longer live in the shadow of your sin and failures. So now the same failures that once condemned, you now testify of God's great mercy in your life, so you're not haunted by the shadow of your sin and what you did because you're walking in the light of what he's done. John one says, the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it. What I once lived in the shadow of has been overcome by the light of my savior that my friend, there's something good news,
Pat:So what do you think of that, rich?
Rich:Yeah, it, that's the good news, isn't it? Is that like he, you know, Jesus paid the, the price for our sins on the cross, right? So it's like he, you know, he knew that we would never, you know, be able to live up to like the law, you know, we, we could never complete the law, right? So he came to, he came to fulfill it. For us, you know, and in that paid the price for our sins, right? And then, you know, that removed the, you know, the blockage, the veil that tore the veil right in the temple between us. Between us and God, right? And it's like, you know, so it's like we, our sin actually, it serves really important purposes, you know?'cause it's like without a sin. Why do we need the savior? You know, and then it's like actually our sin, you know, as he speaks about there, it's like our, our, our sin is what, and the overcoming of that is what testifies to the power of Jesus, right? Um, but that thing about like not standing there, not standing outside of grace trying to earn it. You know, it's like, you know, we're justified and redeemed by our faith in him, by our belief in him. You know, those sins are washed, clean, you know, and um, you know, it come and it comes to that point of repentance as well. I think, you know, it's like becoming a follower of Jesus Christ doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want and everything's okay. But it does mean we accept our own imperfections. We repent of them, and then we, you know, we are forgiven. We can be forgiven. You know, and, um, it's just like, sometimes it's that, like sometimes I think it's hard for, for us, it's certainly hard for me to get my head around, you know, is that like I can be loved so completely in spite of my human failings, but that is what's an offer. When you have a relationship with Jesus, you know, that perfect complete love, you know, that transcends, you know, anything we could possibly imagine.
Pat:You made a point there when you said sin, uh, may have a purpose, because what hit me with that, with what he was saying as I looked back on my life, and I think you can relate to this too, matter of fact, I know you can because we discussed it numerous times. So when I go back, you know, we both had. These troubled childhoods, full of sin, full of all of the things that we did, all of the wrong that we did. And, um, I had my moment, you know, in the jail cell, 18 years old where I start believing in God, uh, not Jesus. As we've talked about before, there's one thing believing in God. It's another thing when you start mentioning Jesus, you know, the air starts thickening around folks because things get, things get, get serious. Um, I had all of these things that I had done, but I started following, you know, decided I was gonna believe in God. That was a decision there and, and started to see if God was real and things did start changing. I started getting my act together. Got into the corporate world where I was actually very successful in the, the corporate worlds where I met my wife. Did I mention I've been married 35 years, by the way.
Rich:Oh, that is amazing, Patrick. Congratulations. Stunning.
Pat:Absolutely stunning. But I had, while I was in the corporate world, you know, I 20 years as an executive for a large insurance company, but all the time that I was following God, you know, I, I had made the profession of faith in the, in my employer's office at one time. But I, looking back on it, you know, that that was not the moment that I accepted Jesus because that was just words. To me, that's just my personal feelings. But what I'm getting at is as I was going through the corporate world and as I was going through and building up success, I was still very embarrassed about all the things I did. They were a scarlet letter. I didn't want anybody to see, I lived in, in fear of, of someone knowing that the trouble that I used to got, that, that I used to get into, uh, I, I didn't want anybody to know that I had crawled out of destroyed automobiles. I didn't want anybody to know, that I had sold drugs, that I had taken whatever drugs that were put in front of me, and only by the grace of God. Did I not od that? I drove the streets of my hometown intoxicated over and over, and only by the grace of God did I not in danger, uh, harm myself or ending up getting hurt badly or, or much, much worse hurting somebody else. And I didn't want anybody to know that I had dodged bullets that were being emptied from a chamber of a gun 10 feet away from me. All of those things I didn't want anybody to know. That was shame. That was something I that, that I always wanted to remain hidden until the day that I actually invited Jesus into my heart and became a follower of Jesus. Then something funny happened. Then I started telling anybody and everybody as the Holy Spirit came in me and I knew there was a change because until that happened, even in the corporate world, as I've told you before, you know, fibbing a little bit on a business deal, I, there was still a lot of the old pet was, was still there. I was making good decisions, but I wasn't the person with the cleansed heart. So I was embarrassed of my past. I didn't want anybody to know about my past, but the moment that I accepted Jesus into my heart, the moment the Holy Spirit came into my heart, everything changed. I noticed, I started telling anybody that would listen when we started talking. Anybody that, that looked at me in a favorable light and how happy that I was up, seemed to be a happy, joyful person. I would immediately start telling them of all the things I did, not bragging about car crashes, not bragging about dodging bullets, not bragging about the fact that I didn't have to go to prison for a crime that should have that, that should have put me behind bars. But all of a sudden it, it became like this badge of, not a badge of honor, but it was like a almost like a resume for why I am, why. I'm full of joy now because of what Jesus did in my life. So not only did I not wanna hide it, but I now was more than willing to tell anybody and everybody because everything changed as Pastor Trent just said, and it just chilled me. When I saw that and understood what he was saying before Jesus, that darkness is on you and you wanna hide. What does darkness do? You want to hide in the darkness. You wanna hide your shame. You wanna hide your guilt. You wanna hide the things you've done because you're not free of them and you're not cleansed from'em, and you still know that you have the potential to continue doing those things. But the moment Jesus came into my life and shined that light on me, those things. Went from shame, went from guilt, then they turned into a testimony, then they turned into as what you just, uh, so, uh, insightfully said a purpose. They all became purpose. So instead of, I'm getting chills talking about it'cause I just remember how I used to feel about I don't want this old life to be exposed. When the light shifted from darkness to the light of Jesus, they became my building blocks. They became the foundation of everything. And, uh, anything that I am That's good. Do you do That's what he's saying in this and, and it is so right. And it took me all these years.'cause I was like, when did the shift happen? Because my wife noticed, she's like, you never would talk about, and now one of the first things outta your mouth. And I'm just trying to tell a person that may be struggling or, or trying to tell a person, this is what I've done. This is who I was, this is who I am now. And one, not anything I did. Not one thing I did other than learn the truth and accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. And the light went to brilliant light and the darkness ended. And so what do you, what are you, your thoughts on that?
Rich:Like, revelations, we were deemed by the blood of the lamb and the power of our testimony. Yeah. So it's like, you know, we're like, we, you know, we're saved from our sin buyer. You know, we're washed clean by Jesus and what he did on the cross. Right? But then, and then, but then it's the power of our testimony, you know? So then therefore, like the things that we've done actually become the thing that like highlights, you know, the power of the gospel, right? So it's like, you know, I've come across two people in recent weeks, right? From my past in recovery groups and ministries that I'm a part of, right? Um. You know, I won't speak in too much detail'cause it's, you know, they're not, they're not my testimonies to give. Yeah. But like, I've come across two people from my past in recent weeks who were like serious, like heavyweight criminals, you know, like, you know, like done some, you know, very significant like, awful crimes. Yeah. And, um. They've, they're saved. Like, you know, they've, they've been saved. They're live in a very different way of life. Like, honestly, it's blown my mind, you know, and it's like the power of what having a relationship with Christ can do and the change it can affect in a person. Right? But like those guys, their testimony, you know, the, the depths of like sin and are evil really like in their lives. Yeah. That is what adds the depth and the weight to their te you know, that's what, that's their testimony. You know, this is how I was, this is how I'm now, you know, um, and that's what's on offer here, really, you know, and it's on offer right. Up until the last minute. Right. But rabbits was from the cross. Yeah. You know, like, you know, in the last minute, you know, with his dying breath. He repented. Right. But thankfully, we don't have to wait until the last minute, you know? We don't have to wait until the last minute. Like, you know, it's on off or it's there for everyone, you know? If you can just, yeah, just open. I don't even know what it is, is it, what is it? Even Pat, you know, like open, you know, open your mind, open your heart, you know? From a place of brokenness, just, I dunno, something comes, something cracks you open enough something cracks me open enough that I could let him in. And then everything changed and yeah. Remarkable.
Pat:You surrender and you let Jesus into your heart. Then the truth enters and then the light shows on you. And everything changes at that moment the like, the center on the cross, like I told you, as I mentioned, I didn't do anything except for accepted that Jesus Christ was my Lord and Savior. Everything changes. Everything changed. The darkness went to light that and I said I didn't do anything. That guy on the cross. Didn't do anything but looked over and realized who he was talking to and he accepted it. And that's what you were trying to say just a minute ago. It's realizing that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and that's the path of going from darkness to life. Yeah.
Rich:And the power of that testimony is like for me, how the people get attracted. To the light, you know, like to the light enough to, to, to make that surrender. Right. And it's like actually when you look at the testimonies of people that have led very doubled lives, you know, and then you look at who they are once they've accepted Jesus into their lives, you know, that's what can open minds and open hearts like enough, you know, like, oh wow. Like look at, like this guy was like, you know, like. A force for evil and now he's got this peace that shines out of him. Like, what's, what's that all about? You know? And that can be very attractive. That's the power of testimony. Right. You know, that's the power of testimony. You know?
Pat:That's a great point. And as when you said gives purpose to our sin, uh, that's what creates the testimony. I talk to people numerous. People that will start telling me of the things that they did, and then I start telling them, I immediately meet them with, uh, I did that, I did that. I did the same thing. Oh, you served time in jail or in prison? I should have. I didn't. I was very fortunate not to, but I should. In other words, all of that's there. These are things that I wanted to hide all of my life. Then when Jesus came, it completely turned, and now I'm on. I'm, I don't, I do regret people that I hurt along the way, but I am also, I'm am glad that I have some of these, this past in me that I can use to turn around and tell people, like the people you're talking to, wait a second, you always think it's just you. But we're all sinners. And that small sin is as big as the big sin. A lot of us, there are a lot of people carrying a lot of sin that they've hidden because when you don't have Jesus, you want to hide it just like I did in the darkness. And then when he came, and as Pastor Trent, just so brilliantly said, when the light shines. Everything changes and that sin, as you brilliantly said, now turns and has a purpose and it now can be used for God's purpose. So, let's end on these two verses. One is. Romans eight one. There is now no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus. I mean, how beautiful is that? There's no condemnation, and that's what Pastor Trent's message just hit me when there's no longer any condemnation. Everything changes because the light has hit you. And then one of my favorites in Isaiah one 18. Come now. I don't know why, but I always get chills when I read. Read this. Come now let us settle the matter. It's like, can you imagine Jesus saying to you, come now, let us settle the matter says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow. Though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. Well, Scarlet and crimson. Represent depth and permanence and like a deep stain. So it's a deep stain on you. And then when he comes and when it all changes, now they shall be like wool. And the wool represents the white as snow wool is coming off, the sheep as white. A total cleansing and a total transformation. And it almost just gives me chills to think about it because that's what Jesus did in my life. That's what he did in your life. And you, when you and I first started talking. That's what we really started discussing our transgressions first, um, before we started discussing our successes in life. So any final thoughts there, rich? Yeah. One
Rich:thing, right? And it's
Pat:what, like,
Rich:it's important. I think it's important to say it's like getting redeemed, getting saved, you know, starting to walk this path. When you've done some, you know, some bad things, you know, hurt some people, you know, I've done some things that you kind of wish you hadn't gone done. Right. It's like, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a cop out, you know, we don't stand on like this sort of like pedestal of like, well, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm saved now, so therefore none of that stuff doesn't matter. Like it matters. Right. Absolutely. I really, there's a point in Corinthians right. Where it not, I forget the, the verse in the chapter in verse right. Or, or which in the letters it's from. But there's a distinction that is made between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow. And it's like godly sorrow is the sorrow that leads to repentance. Yeah. And worldly sorrow leads to death. And for me, that's the difference. Right? It's like if I get stuck in like, like stuck and wallow in like heavy, dark guilt and shame. Yeah. That's like, that's, oh, that's, there's no, there's no light in that. Right? But like, it's my godly sorrow, you know, my acceptance of the hurt that I've caused, you know, feeling some healthy and appropriate level of guilt about that. That's what leads to my repentance. Right? So, and I just wanna say that, you know, I think it's easy from the outside looking in to think like, um. Well, like he's Christian guys, they just, you know, they think they're off the hook. Yeah. And it's like, no, they're not off the hook. But it's just a very, it's a different positioning of the heart around the things that we've done, you know, not condemned, but like still aware and still, you know, very committed to not doing those things again. You know, and, um, and continuing to walk this path in order to make sure that we don't, or that's, that's what I do, pat, you know what I mean? Because I know who I am without Jesus. You know what I mean? I've got a lot of experience, you know, like I know who I am without Jesus, like clean and in some sort of recovery, but without Jesus, um, you know, um. Of inflicting, you know, some, some damage on myself and the people around me, you know, so I know who I'm without Jesus, and that's why I need to keep doing this
Pat:because it's something I've, it's always just kind of been in the voice in my head. Um. When your sins are cleansed, it doesn't mean your regret is, is cleansed. The more the Holy Spirit has come in there, and the more empathy and sympathy I've had and I've looked back, I, I a lot of regret. I just don't live it. I don't live it out, but I don't walk around boats, God.'cause again, this was nothing I did, I'm just receiving what Jesus gave me. But it doesn't mean I didn't hurt people along the way and that regret. And as a matter of fact, the more Holy Spirit you have in you. The more you're gonna look back and go,
Speaker 3:Hmm,
Pat:boy, I wish I hadn't have left some of the wake that I have. Mm-hmm. And the good news there is, and I'm so, I'm glad you brought that up. The wonderful news is, we do not have to pay for it because it was paid on the cross and now the light shines on us. We have transformed from darkness to light as pastor. Trent so eloquently posted in his video. So, um, alright, we will see you next time and as a matter of fact, that kinda leads to the episode that we're going to, to do next week. So hope you get the feeling better there. Rich, and thank you very much Patrick. Through and to everyone out there, I hope this message, hit home with you, that you can go from darkness and you can go to light and it is a beautiful place and God bless everyone out there and we will see you next time.
Rich:Lovely, God bless everyone. Bye.
