Ep 31: What In The World Is TBHQ?

Itching discreetly in public, puzzling ingredients in our food, and a band called Buddhist Priest.  

Transcript

Pat 0:02

Richard

Rich 0:03

Patrick, I need you to officiate something here. Go on, run it by

Pat 0:06

me.

Rich 0:07

Hit me.

gwen 0:08

Big brain alert.

Pat 0:11

Alright. Um, because you're a married guy now and it's, this has to do with gentleman's etiquette. And you are a gentleman because you. From London, you know, you walk around with your bowler hat and in the whistle, by the way,

Rich 0:28

twirling a kind.

Pat 0:30

Yeah. In the whistle. So for the people. Yeah. Whistle and flute. There you go. So for the people who don't know what I'm talking about. When I communicate with Richard, I will send Richard a message and Richard responds back in English that I have no clue what he's talking about. So I ask Richard, I said, I found this picture. You have this smile. You, uh, I like this picture. He sends back and says, am I in the whistle? Now I don't have the, you know, I shouldn't have to use Google Translate to translate English into English. So,

Rich 1:09

but we, it's different, you know, like you guys have slang, right? You have words that, you know, like unofficial words for things. Surely, you know, like vehicle, car

Pat 1:19

four, wheel

Rich 1:21

four, wheeler, quad bike.

Pat 1:23

A

Rich 1:24

lot other stuff. You must have other stuff as well. Like

Pat 1:27

that's fair. Yeah. That, that, that's fair. But you got to admit that you gotta step it up. Uh uh. You kick it up a notch.

Rich 1:34

Yeah. Hying slang.

Pat 1:37

You can't what?

Rich 1:39

Cockney rhyming slang.

Pat 1:41

Yeah. As a matter of fact, when I just greeted you a minute ago to start the meeting, you said, is I said, how are you doing? As much as I ever were and I'm, again, I'm pulling out Google Translate. Rick. He's talking about

Rich 1:53

you missed out a bit. You look, you're robbing the listeners of context.

Pat 1:58

Yeah. Well,

Rich 2:00

okay,

Pat 2:00

well, well ticket, how about Tickety Boot? I asked you once I text, how are you doing? I got back Tickety Boo. It's a guy from South Mississippi. What am I gonna do with Tickety Boo? I thought no clue what was going on there for four hour listeners. Tickety Boo means all is well. Correct.

Rich 2:22

Yeah, it does. And look, don't like that. Look, that's not a bit of English. I would like, it's not something that comes up in conversation often, but because of our transatlantic relationship, I sometimes deliberately use words that I know you won't know what they mean. Okay.

Pat 2:44

On purpose,

Rich 2:47

I'm helping you grow.

Pat 2:49

I am growing because I am the only guy because I pick up on it. Americans, as I have noted before, Americans will get around British and we start talking British. We start using the same slang. British don't do that. You know, like, you remember Madonna, Madonna, married guy Richie, six months later, you think she grew up, in Notting Hill.

Rich 3:12

Yeah,

Pat 3:12

yeah, yeah. True. So here I am walking around South Mississippi, and someone, you know, some country boy asked me how I'm doing, the tickety boo.

Rich 3:22

Yeah, man,

Pat 3:23

So I appreciate you expanding my vocabulary, but everybody's thinking I'm quite the oddball when I'm walking around. Oh. And in the whistle, so people will know. In the whistle means a suit.

Rich 3:35

Yeah. Whistle and flute means suit.

Pat 3:39

Makes perfect sense. Who, who wouldn't go whistle? Oh, whistle and flute. Gotta be talking about wearing a suit.

Rich 3:48

Yeah. Man, it's a big, it's poetry, it's poetic. We're poetic people, you know?

Pat 3:53

Right, right. You, you had Shakespeare and all of that. Although I, I just watched a documentary, I don't know if you've ever seen this, where that said Shakespeare might have actually been a fraud.

Rich 4:04

Fraud. Oh, you mean he the,

Pat 4:06

no, no, he wasn't Shakespeare. It was another guy that did it. Another guy was writing all of it. That Shakespeare had no education. Shakespeare had none of these things, but the, another guy was actually writing, doing all the writing, and then he got Shakespeare. It was had to do something with politics or something that y'all,

Rich 4:24

yeah. Yeah. I've heard this. Yeah. That it was like some kind of, uh, high up in society type. Yes. And being a writer, like writing plays and stuff would've, would not have like, fitted his position in society. So he did it all through some, through like a proxy, you know?

Pat 4:40

Yes. Right.

Rich 4:41

And

Pat 4:41

it all

Rich 4:41

had this.

Pat 4:42

Yeah. And it didn't become big till, till later on. So back to my original topic,

Rich 4:48

please.

Pat 4:48

You being, you being the gentleman and you are in the whistle. And a whistle and a flute quite a bit, I'm assuming. I, I hung, when I got out of the corporate world, I hung up all my whistles and flutes. I kept one in case somebody died and I whipped that thing out, you know, about once or twice a year and somehow, thank God it still fits, but. Here's my dilemma. So I'm walking around the neighborhood, you know, we live, you know, I live way out in the middle of nowhere, but I live in the gated, gated community and it's big, huge lake. Uh, some of us live here around the clock. Some of the antisocial folks like myself, who would never leave the house if I didn't have to live here. And some just are weekend places. Uh, matter of fact, I had a major league baseball player just move in right across the water over there. They can drop all this money on a house that they come to twice a year, but the point I'm getting at is very quiet place. So we go walk the dogs around the neighborhood. So we're strolling around the neighborhood and as will happen with a man, I quite often feel the need to itch. And you know, where, you know when a man has to itch, you know, the most common place that we have to itch is, how am I gonna say this? Uh, our hinter regions. You follow me?

Rich 6:12

Yeah. Okay. I'm, yeah, I'm not sure. Sure. That's

Pat 6:14

proper.

Rich 6:15

I'm not sure I want to be, I feel, I feel like I'm following you somewhere. I don't want to really go.

Pat 6:19

Well, don't. Okay.

Rich 6:21

I'm with you. I'm with you. I understand. I understand

Pat 6:23

you. You see where we're going with this? 'cause it's a man thing. Let's don't act like it's just, it's just not. So as we're walking through the neighborhood. Uh, I have one dog. My wife has another dog, and my wife, who's, her, one of her lifelong missions has been trying to, keep me from embarrassing myself in public. So I, I start taking care of my itch walking down the road. There's nobody anywhere around and immediately, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Stop that. Stop that. You can't do that in public. I'm like, well, I'm not in public. Around here. She said there's, you just showed the, in this neighborhood scratching.

Rich 7:11

Yeah.

Pat 7:12

So, huh. You know, what am I supposed? So, so, uh, should I not, should I just take this mile long walk, not taking care of my itch? Uh, I I, I, I didn't think I was being outta line. What? What's your opinion?

Rich 7:23

Well, there's ways of doing it isn't there? Like, I hear you. Like, you know, and the then and the need comes up. Yeah. The need comes up. Right. And I do appreciate that. Right. It's a long walk. I think it's about how you do it, pat, you know, like you drop back, you know, just drop back out of eye line. Yeah.

Pat 7:39

That's it. There was nobody, I meant there's not a soul. She's saying ring cameras

Rich 7:45

drop back out of her. Yeah, that's what I would do. But, and, and have done and will do many times, you know, just put it back, you know, like, pretend that something's caught your eye, like, you know, whatever. Right. Like I, you know, pretend you've gotta tie your shoelace or something and just go for it, man.

Pat 8:05

Step up in the woods. I got you.

Rich 8:07

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Pat 8:08

Hundred percent that, that is the spirit that the massive cerebral has just solved it. Just don't let her know. Yeah, don't let her see. And if I end up starring on some ring camera video, with a neighbor, they shouldn't be voyeurs. So

Rich 8:22

Yeah. No one cares man. Like, no one else cares. And look, I experience, you know, I get it, you know, it's like, you know,

Pat 8:28

Yeah. You're married against it.

Rich 8:30

Different value systems.

Pat 8:31

It

Rich 8:31

appears

Pat 8:32

That's it. So you solve the problem. Speaking of the problems that, that we wanna solve, when you're in the states, have you gone to the grocery stores in the states?

Rich 8:41

Man, like the food, like your food prices are like astronomical. Like I nearly had a heart attack and I was in Walmart, so I went into Walmart thinking, oh this is, you know, 'cause we know about Walmart bought one of our big like supermarket chains and everyone, you know, thought it was the best thing that ever happened to the uk. And, but then nothing really changed, but. With this particular supermarket chain. But anyway, like, um, I went to Walmart imagining it was gonna be this kind of like decadent palace of like cut price, everything. Do you know what I mean? And it, I was, I was staggered, man, do you know what I mean? Like absolutely staggered right by the prices there. So, yeah. Yeah, I've, I'm familiar with Walmart. I've shopped in one of the Hattiesburg Walmarts many times. Um, so yeah, familiar and probably been, I've probably walked the same aisles as you, Patrick, which is, you know, a nice feeling.

Pat 9:36

That's another, that's kind of stunning. I'm very surprised that our food prices are that much higher, which might play into what we're about to the test we're about to do. 'cause I would've thought our food prices would be a lot lower. I mean, we grow so much food here. We produce so much food here. And you're saying the prices are astronomically higher? That's amazing. Yeah. What was the second thing that you noticed?

Rich 10:00

Uh,

Pat 10:02

okay. Let me help you out here. People are massively large in the wild, in the aisles of Walmart.

Rich 10:10

Well, yes they are. I mean, I didn't know if that was a Mississippi thing. 'cause if you look at your, like, you know, like all of your, like the foods, it's like fried this, fried, that fried. You've got a hush puppy, which like is just like fried. Fried stuff like, so Yes. I, I, I have my, well,

Pat 10:27

we

Rich 10:27

di

Pat 10:28

and we dipped the hush puppies in this mayonnaise thing called tartar sauce. Just to add some calories. Uh, that's a fair assumption. In the south, in places like Mississippi, we do seem to be a good bit larger, but the overall point that I'm making is that we are constantly hearing these days about ingredients in our. Food. I don't know if that has anything to do with weight gain or it might be what you say. What we eat that we fry everything. Um, but the ingredients, people, you know, you've, we've heard, I don't know if you have, but over in England, a box of cereal has this ingredients and over in America, this is what's in the exact same ingredients already.

Rich 11:08

Products. Yeah. You have, you have stuff in your food. That is illegal over here. 100%. And like there's things that are in your food that, like in this country, people rap in bits of cl film and sell on street corners. You know, like, it's like mental, like 100% crazy.

Pat 11:26

Well, I've heard that, so we're gonna do a little test. Did you happen to, fulfill your class assignment today?

Rich 11:31

Yes, I have bought some bread with me.

Pat 11:34

Okay.

Rich 11:36

And I have also got a, um, cereal box with, which is a, um, generic version of a well-known, um, we call it Crunchy Nut, crunchy Nut Corn Flakes, I think.

Pat 11:53

Great. Good.

Rich 11:54

You might call it like Honey nut.

Pat 11:56

Yeah. Honey Nut. Yeah. Something with a little sweetener in it. Alright, so we're gonna read, and we're gonna compare these ingredients. And I wanna go with the bread first because. This is something that has puzzled me because I took this is a loaf of bread, great value, right outta Walmart, which I, by the way in America, a great value to me. Uh, being a guy from South Mississippi. Great value is a great product. What Walmart does is they go out and they hack the best products out there. And then they replicate it and they call it, yeah,

Rich 12:27

yeah.

Pat 12:27

Great value. So it, it's all good. This isn't bashing Walmart by any stretch of the imagination. Love Walmart, uh, grading on a curve. You do save a good bit of money at Walmart, so. I, I took this piece of, this loaf of bread, got down. I'm like, it's been sitting out for a while. Uh, I'll just sit it over there. I don't, I'm not worried about what happens to the bread. I'm just gonna use it to read these ingredients when I talk to Richard the next time. But a funny thing has happened, this loaf of bread has been sitting there for a couple of weeks and it's not molded at all.

Rich 13:00

Yeah, that's not right, man. That's not right.

Pat 13:03

That, I mean, if, if you took a, if you just took a baked piece of bread and set it on your counter within a week, it's gonna start turning into a science project. Yes. This, this piece of bread doesn't have a loaf on, it doesn't smell, it's just not going anywhere.

Rich 13:22

You tell like, no, no little spots of mild nothing. Check out a slice, man. Inspect it. Because this has gotta be, if we're gonna do this, Patrick, we've gotta

Pat 13:31

do it right. We can't see it. Our, listen, our listeners can't, yeah, can't see it. But just go ahead. Sorry.

Rich 13:36

We're not doing this half-assed, Patrick. I mean, this is science. Yeah.

Pat 13:40

Okay. Can you see this low? This piece of bread?

Rich 13:43

Yeah, I can.

Pat 13:45

Alright. To our listeners, what are you seeing?

Rich 13:48

It looks like a perfectly fresh, yeah, looks good. Yeah. I would consider that a sandwich. Ready? Is it edible?

Pat 13:56

Yeah.

Rich 13:58

Gone demonstrate.

Pat 14:00

You want me to prove it?

Rich 14:01

No. Come out. Come on.

Pat 14:02

Okay. What if I start projectile vomiting or something? Then I'm gonna take a, I'm gonna take a small,

Rich 14:08

you're like a test monkey.

Pat 14:11

I have been a test monkey quite often throughout my younger,

Rich 14:16

the life.

Pat 14:19

Y'all take this

Rich 14:20

space?

Pat 14:21

No. Will take it.

Rich 14:24

Yeah. Will take it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's that, I dunno, MCC recall's already eating it.

Pat 14:29

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I, I don't know. But he's, he's staring at a Billy Jo album and he is swearing it face, keeps moving. I, if we're, we're gonna take the,

Rich 14:38

how, how is it, taste wise, moist? Yep.

Pat 14:44

Fine.

Rich 14:45

Would you make a sandwich from it?

Pat 14:47

Yeah, I. Just, it hasn't degraded at all.

Rich 14:51

Okay.

Pat 14:52

I don't think, I don't think this is a good idea, Richard, but it No, it's good. I figured you were gonna do that. But look at it. There's nothing, it just hasn't degraded and that's strange. I.

Rich 15:03

Okay. It is strange, right? So what are we doing? Getting to the bottom of why this is

Pat 15:06

okay. I'm gonna read the ingredients on this and then I want you to read the ingredients on the bread there. So all of our listeners that have heard this, uh, on the internet, we're gonna get to the bottom of this right now. Alright, so the ingredients in this is enriched wheat flour, flour, malted barley flour, reduced iron, niacin, thiamine. Mononitrate Vitamin B you don't?

Rich 15:37

Yeah.

Pat 15:38

Riboflavin. Vitamin B one, folic acid, water, sugar, yeast, vegetable oil, soybean salt. Calcium pro. P-R-O-P-I-O-N-A-T-E. Do you know what that

Rich 15:57

means? No.

Pat 15:59

Cal, calcium, propane, and it says preservative. And then we have monoglycerides, datu, soy, lectin, citric acid, grain vinegar, wheat, gso wheat, gluten, potassium, iodate, calcium sulfate, mono calcium phosphate, and sesame seeds. How does that compare?

Rich 16:26

It's, I mean, it's similar. Like there's, there's definitely things in there we haven't got, like we've got four or five week flour, wheat, calcium, carbonate, iron, niacin, thymine. I mean, they're vitamin. Vitamins. I don't think you can kind of quickly. No, that's not a problem. Water yeast, salt, spirit vinegar, wheat protein, preservative. Calcium propagates, we do have that. Soya flour, vegetable oils and fat. R seed oil. Palm fat. Palm oil. Emulsifier a, a flour treatment agent. So it's, I mean, it's definitely got less in it. It's not as absurd as I would've thought, you know? But this is, I mean, this is a week old. It's past its best. You know what I mean? Like I wouldn't make a sandwich from that. I might toast it. Yeah. But I wouldn't make a sandwich from it. But I'm quite fus. The thing is, I see

Pat 17:22

a little white on the top. Does that look like it? It looks like it's kind of starting to mold a little bit.

Rich 17:26

Nah, that's the flour. See this? But this is, and this, I know. I don't want to, you know, I mean, no way. Trying to kind of elevate myself. Stable. Bit stable, man. I'm not you, no way. Trying to elevate myself above you. Like economic or just in terms of class. But we know, obviously we, we, you know, we're very different people, but Right. But like, um, this isn't bread. I'd normally buy it. I would normally buy it. The more, let's say like. Refined lo, which would have three ingredients in, do you know what I mean? So like, and that's what my wife makes us buy as well, you know, 'cause she's quite kind of particular around that stuff. This is actually the bread that we get for my stepdaughter. Um, so we normally eat like do you have, do you have sourdough? What's that? Sourdough? Yeah. You know what sourdough is? Yes. We normally get that stuff.

Pat 18:26

And you give, and so you give the, you give the bad stuff to the children. I, I'm feeling it. There you go. That's it. Shame. Look, Shire, put this up here. Don't let these little ments, you know what I mean? They got their whole life in front of 'em. They can get jobs and then they can go buy the sourdough and extra wheat. But the chemical stuff, because it's a lot cheaper.

Rich 18:46

Me and the step that there's more, it's more like she wants that stuff rather than the other stuff. But like. Me and the stepdaughter have an interesting relationship around food. So like, I will often hide food from her because I want to eat it, you know, I want to eat it myself. And like, um, like the other day I bought some, um, squares bars, which are like these kind of marshmallowy, like, you know, like sweet kind of treat bars and hid them right. But then I, I forgot where I'd hid them. Then so a lot, and I couldn't, I couldn't find them, right? Like, so I, I was like, Darcy, where's my, well, you know, what have you done with my Squares bars? And she's like, couldn't, she's trying to tell me that she hasn't eaten them, but because she thinks it's so funny that I've hidden these bars and now can't find them like a squirrel, like hiding nuts for the window in them, forgetting where they are. So she keeps laughing. So I'm like. I kind of pretty convinced that she's eating them. Yeah. But it's all right. I'm a bigger, you know, it's fine. You know, like. I can get part, I can move past that. Yeah. Like I've got Jesus in my life. Jesus taught us to forgive. Like, so I'm going to kind of forgive her for eating my squares bars. Anyway, that it went about a month later, I found them, like I'd hear them behind some kind of random object on like in like a non-food based cupboard. And um, and there they were, my squares bars. They were nice. They felt bad. It felt like a victory of sorts.

Pat 20:12

And everybody hides food, so don't feel bad if you're married, for example, Shereen probably has a candy stash. Women have candy stash. They like the good stuff like, like the candy bars will be out on the counter, but like the really good chocolate stuff that's gonna be under her mattress, stuffed in a shoe in the back. If you come across it, Richard. Don't say anything. It don't take any, she knows exactly how many's there. Don't try to be cute, you know, and start, Hey Reen, I think I figured out why your Jenny Craig program's not working,

Rich 20:43

man. No, no, she's not like that. My life's very, it's very, she's very giving, I mean, very giving, you know. And do you, do you guys, because we are recording this on Easter Saturday, do you guys have Easter eggs? Do you know what an Easter egg is?

Pat 20:56

Yeah, we have Easter egg hunts,

Rich 20:58

chocolate eggs.

Pat 21:00

Oh, we have like the Cadbury eggs.

Rich 21:02

Oh, you have

Pat 21:03

cad? Is

Rich 21:03

that what you're talking about? Cadbury?

Pat 21:05

Yeah. That's gotta be a British thing, right?

Rich 21:07

Yeah. Cadbury is British man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat 21:11

My wife's favorite is Cadbury. If I can find Cadbury eggs around Easter time and bring some home, I'm a hero. I'm a total hero.

Rich 21:20

So my diet for the last three days has really consisted of chocolate eggs, if I'm honest.

Pat 21:24

Fantastic.

Rich 21:24

Yeah. Largely consisted of chocolate eggs, punctuated with a couple of visits to the gym and then coming home to eat more chocolate eggs.

Pat 21:32

More chocolate eggs. Fantastic. Yeah. Do they have the cream in 'em or they just the chocolate?

Rich 21:36

Some have cream in, some have chocolate. Some have like a pistachio filling, which is very bit in vogue here at the moment. But look, let's get back to this bread.

Pat 21:44

Yeah. Okay. Let Go ahead.

Rich 21:46

Let's return to the bread. So my questions are. Right one. There's something in that bread that has stopped it going off. That has preserved it. Yeah. Yeah. Two, what impact does that have on brain function and iq? These chemicals, what are they doing? What are they doing to you personally, but also your nation? Yeah.

Pat 22:13

Rates of illness, things like that. But, uh. I, I don't know. That's why we're doing this test here. And

Rich 22:21

let's, this is, this is science man.

Pat 22:23

Yeah. Okay. This is science.

Rich 22:24

Okay.

Pat 22:24

Let's go to the cereal box. The ingredients. I have a Cinnamon Toasters cereal, so it's gonna be a kind of a sweet, something similar to what you have. All of what you have might be helpful than this. Yeah.

Rich 22:37

I, I, I think this is gonna be, I think this might be revealing 'cause as I understand, I mean like a lot of your. Cereals are like just kind of chemical boxes of chemicals and coloring and stuff.

Pat 22:51

Let's read it and see. So the ingredients will be whole grain wheat, sugar, rice, flour, canola, and or soybean oil, maltodextrin, fructose, cinnamon salt, calcium carbonate, dextrose, soy lecithin, tri sodium phosphate. Caramel color, TBHQ and BHT added to preserve fresh freshness. What is TBHQ? Is that something that has a parade or something?

Rich 23:29

Let's have a look, man. T-B-H-Q-T-B. It doesn't sound good though, pat. I'm gonna lie.

Pat 23:34

It doesn't, you're right. It sounds like

Rich 23:37

it is TB HQ in food.

Pat 23:41

Hey, I am TB hq. Sounds like you might have a parade, you know?

Rich 23:46

Okay. So TBHQ, tertiary butyl hydroquinone is a synthetic antioxidant, useless preservative to extend the shelf fiber, processed foods, vegetables, and animal fats by preventing rancidity. Common synonyms include E three 19 tur, butyl one four benzene Nidal and INS, number one, number 3 1 9. And then this is a link to an article called The Potential Dangers of TPHQ.

Pat 24:22

There we go. Holy smokes.

Rich 24:25

Yeah, man, this

Pat 24:26

the,

Rich 24:26

this, this is serious stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

Pat 24:31

and they just, yeah, they don't, if they spelled out what the TB HQ meant, it would take up half the box. So it's just TB hq. We grab it, add some milk going about our business.

Rich 24:44

TB HQ can't account for more than n point N 2% of the girls in the food. 'cause the FDA doesn't have evidence that great amounts are safe. Whoa. This is serious stuff, man. Do you know what I mean? A world design government study found that this, this evident this. This isn't funny. The additive increase, increased the incidence of tumors in rats. Um, yeah. That's serious, man. That's serious. Kids that are effects. Why do you guys do this to yourselves? Man? How did it get to this?

Pat 25:15

I'm just now finding out that this is a real thing. People started talking about this was going on. I figured there's one way to figure it out, and that's by doing a comparison with you. What do you have? What's in the serial that you have?

Rich 25:29

None. I think nothing like that. Maize, sugar, peanuts, honey, salt, caramelized sugar syrup, barley, mal extract, iron, niacin, genic, acids, vitamins, that's it.

Pat 25:44

Pretty much. Vitamins and food. And we have

Rich 25:47

alls and food. Yeah, food.

Pat 25:51

Wow. We have this weird stuff. TBHQ. What is BHT?

Rich 25:55

Uh, I don't, I'm scared to look. Really? I just, I'm scared for you. I'm scared for your nation. Bht. Yeah.

Pat 26:04

Well, you're right. It's, it's, uh

Rich 26:07

oh. Did you say, what's B hq? I mean, it must be the same. No, B-H-T-B-H-T-B-H-T. This is bad man. Butylated. Hydroxy tooly. Consider safe in low amounts by the FDA. It's controversial with some studies linking it to potential toxicities, leading to restrictions in some countries, and there's, I'm gonna, Wikipedia, there's a picture of a molecule

Pat 26:35

ever. Good. When you see a picture of a molecule.

Rich 26:36

No, it, this looks like, it looks it, it looks very similar to the molecule for crystal meth, which I know that obviously you are very familiar with from your work in the meth labs. Um. Whoa. Also known as Dibutyl Hydro Toline, and a Li Ilic organic compound. A derivative of phenol BHTs widely used to prevent free, radical mediated oxidation in fuels and oils.

Pat 27:10

Fuel.

Rich 27:12

Pet,

Pat 27:12

this isn't our food.

Rich 27:14

Yeah, man, this is bad. Dangers, applications, health effects, drug national. Oh, actually it, it looks like it's maybe slightly better. The National Cancer Institute determined it was non carcinogenic in mice. Yeah.

Pat 27:34

It's not,

Rich 27:36

it's common to better really, but I mean, there's, there's a, there's a. List of like 40 academic studies into this stuff, which I mean, sort of suggest if you're putting stuff into food that has this level of scrutiny that like suggests that maybe there's a problem.

Pat 27:53

I don't want 40 studies on my food.

Rich 27:57

No.

Pat 27:58

If there's a, if there's 40 studies, that means it's controversial. Yeah. Why can't I just eat? So I think, uh, kids, what we have learned today is. Uh, we have bread that doesn't mold for some reason, and holy smokes what they're putting into a regular cereal and who's eating this cereal? It's not most adults that are eating the cinnamon toasters, it's kids.

Rich 28:24

And, but that raises an interesting question, Patrick. Yeah. So you and Gwen live in your house, in your gated compounds. But your children do not live with you. Yes or no?

Pat 28:41

No. No, they do not.

Rich 28:42

No.

Pat 28:42

No,

Rich 28:42

they're not.

Pat 28:43

They're they're grown.

Rich 28:44

They're grown up. Yeah.

Pat 28:45

Right.

Rich 28:46

So, but

Pat 28:46

they have kids.

Rich 28:47

But they have kids. But they, so what you, you have a child by your own patient and a child's food stuff in your house where you and your wife live,

Pat 28:57

right?

Rich 28:58

Why?

Pat 28:59

Because the, uh, the grandkids will come over. We have the 5-year-old that comes over quite a bit. So what would good grandparents do if they weren't poisoning their grandchild?

Rich 29:10

So you are having to go at me for feeding my stepdaughter cheap bread. Yeah. And like, well, you are like pumping your grandchildren full of these, full of these nonsense. Okay,

Pat 29:18

well here's the difference. Here's the difference. You're doing it on purpose. You see, I didn't know. I will go, I am going to go downstairs, walk outta the studio, look at my wife and go, uh, ixnay on the cinnamon toasters. Yes. And tell, uh, tell Sawyer's mother that this is what's going on in this particular serial because this is, but, but you, you. Or purposely picking up the nice loaf. That's what's she wants over on the baker's counter. And then you're going down the cheap aisle and you're getting the cheap stuff for the stepdaughter there. That's if you can't see

Rich 30:03

the difference. She has access to both Pat. She has access to both. It's just that's what she prefers, you know? So we try and meet her where she's at. So we try and meet her where she's at. But yeah. But like, it's like a lot of stuff in the States, right? Like, it's like we don't adv, we don't advertise drugs on our TV programs. Yeah. Like, you know, like pharmaceuticals, like we don't have commercials. Of

Pat 30:26

course for

Rich 30:26

pharmaceuticals in our country, they're illegal. That's, that's not a thing that you do because it's seen that that would be a bad thing. Whereas over there, like every other advert is like for like some kind of drug, right? Like.

Pat 30:39

The other. Yeah. Every other one. And, and what it does is they come on and they list the one thing that it will help you with. Yeah. Things that will kill you. And it always ends with anal leakage. I'm out at anal, anal leakage, you know, and that's a, that's a bridge too far. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, no, we're not gonna, we're not gonna do the annual leakage. I'm not, I'm not risking that, you know, to lose a couple pounds or get a rash off my face or, or something like that.

Rich 31:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw an advert for an antidepressant over there. One of the side effects it listed was like suicide. You know, so, yeah.

Pat 31:16

Isn't that crazy?

Rich 31:17

You know what it is?

Pat 31:19

What's that?

Rich 31:20

It's a TB hq dude. That's what it is.

Pat 31:23

That's it. The TB hq. Okay. I think we have solved it there. Alright, rich, uh, hey, I have got an idea. Uh, right before we got, I got an idea. This is something that can make us big. Sorry. Are, are you, are you musically inclined?

Rich 31:38

Not in the slightest.

Pat 31:40

I, okay. Me neither. I know a few chords though. I know a few chords, but we don't have to be talented. 'cause what we're trying to do is trying to gain some, some fame, make some money. I figured we could start a, uh, a group, musical

Rich 31:55

group. What?

Pat 31:57

Clear. Clear your mind. Follow me on this. What we're gonna, what we do is we need a niche, right? 'cause we don't have any talent. So

Rich 32:06

that's quite a niche. Yeah.

Pat 32:07

So we wanna do something that nobody's doing. But this came to me a couple nights ago. So metal, you like metal, metal music?

Rich 32:15

No

Pat 32:17

you don't.

Rich 32:17

No, mate. No. This is, you never want. Never like trying. I follow you, but I can't, this is, I don't see, I don't see this working, but I'm, I'm, I'm keeping around. No,

Pat 32:28

wait, just wait, wait for the reveal. Do so you never listened to like Iron Maiden, isn that a British group.

Rich 32:36

Yeah, I think they're British. But no, I never, I never listened to

Pat 32:38

em. Never. Okay. Well, I wasn't a metal guy. To me, led Zeppelin was actually metal at the time, and then they got into all the, you know, uh, but here, here's my thing, metal is still big, right? So, and spiritual music, religious music's big, right?

Rich 32:55

Yeah. Worship music. Yeah.

Pat 32:58

What, what'd you say? Worship

Rich 33:00

music.

Pat 33:01

Well, no Spirit, just spiritual, um, music. They have the Dove Awards. People are very successful, you know, singing Christian songs and, but we're not gonna do that. What we're gonna do is we're gonna do something nobody's doing. We're gonna take metal music and we're gonna combine it with some spirituality, and we're gonna form a band, and we're gonna call it Buddhist priest.

Rich 33:24

Buddhist priest, what have you, like. Become a pagan. Like what?

Pat 33:30

No, just nobody's doing that.

Rich 33:34

Yeah. But why do you think that is? Why do you think one's come up with that?

Pat 33:40

They're not ideal guys like I am. I'll play, I, I will play the power chords. You'll sing 'cause you can sing a little bit. You sung the nursery rhyme. You're gonna play the part of Rob Halford. That's the, that's kind of the lead singer of Judas Priest. See, we're combining the two. Are you feeling me on this? This

Rich 33:58

is a, I honestly think it's a horrible idea, but like, and like we, how are we gonna practice? We can't practice over noon.

Pat 34:05

We don't have to practice, we don't have any talent. We're just working the niche. I'm gonna write the words like I've already, I, I already got, I got the first few lines. Um. You wanna hear it? Oh, and we'll sing it in in a rap kind of way. The words will be kind of be wrapped, so it'll be like, uh, straight out Mandu, mandu, cat Mandu. Get it. Food is from Buddhist, from Nepal. Right. Straight out Mandu. Don't tell us what we can do. We're out the Himalayas. 'cause we're big time players. We wear orange robes 'cause we looking for the, okay. So I need to work on that.

Rich 34:42

Okay. So like we are two guys that live about 4,000 miles apart.

Pat 34:48

Right.

Rich 34:48

That can't that have no musical talent. Yeah,

34:52

that's,

Rich 34:52

that's the thing that wanna take. A genre of music traditionally associated or often associated with like devil worship, right? Like rightly or wrongly? Yeah. I

Pat 35:04

wouldn't say it's devil. Combine

Rich 35:06

that, apparently. Combine that with a Christian worship music kind of vibe. Bud is not

Pat 35:12

Christian.

Rich 35:14

But why? Like we are Christians, like, oh, the name of our podcast is like too unlikely. You know? Right? And you want us to start rapping about Buddhism?

Pat 35:24

No, it's not really rapping about Buddhism. We just rap about kind of world events. You know, we big time plays. I think it'll catch 'em,

Rich 35:33

it, I don't think it will Pat. I think it's a, I think it's a terrible ride there.

Pat 35:37

Okay. Alright. Leave the door.

Rich 35:40

You dredged these ideas up from.

Pat 35:44

Just, you know what? Don't make a decision on it now, just I'll work on the words.

Rich 35:50

Why are you like a salesman, like an insurance salesman? Because

Pat 35:54

I'm gonna,

Rich 35:54

yeah, I feel like, I feel like if I,

Pat 35:56

yeah, if I force it on you, then when we make it big, it's gonna be problems. You know what I mean?

Rich 36:02

But look like, look you Like that was the worst pitch ever. Do you know what I mean? Probably for the worst project ever. Worst product ever. Did you run this by Gwen?

Pat 36:15

Yeah, I

Rich 36:17

did. What did she say, Bora?

Pat 36:18

She, she didn't, she just like looked at

Rich 36:21

me just, and walked out the room,

Pat 36:23

didn't walk, she just,

Rich 36:25

she called her attorney.

Pat 36:26

She just kinda looked. And she called

Rich 36:29

her attorney. She called her attorney, I think,

Pat 36:31

I think she, I think she was texting her sister, and I saw her kind of shaking her head a little bit. So

Rich 36:35

she was probably texting her pastor like, look, I know that our marriage is a covenant before God, and we're supposed to be together forever, but look, I need out, like there must be a loophole somewhere. Do you know what I mean? Maybe it's, maybe it's in those missing books.

Pat 36:48

I'm, I'm sensing you're not. You're not wanting to this. I'm sensing you're not. You're not as open-minded as I was hoping that that you would be. Buddhist priest. Buddhist

Rich 36:59

priest. Yeah.

Pat 37:00

Straight out. First album's called straight out of Mando.

Rich 37:04

Straight outta du, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a feeling my wifi connection's gonna go down Patrick for the next three or four years. Okay. You know what I mean?

Pat 37:11

Man, loosen up a little bit.

Rich 37:15

Yeah.

Pat 37:16

Priest, all you have to do is wear a leather top. No shirt on your neighbor.

Rich 37:22

I don't wanna wear a little, I'm not like Pat, like, pat, I know like you didn't, you know, like you were when we spent time together in the physical realm, right? Yeah, so you may not be aware of my physicality, but I can tell you for nothing. I do not lend myself to wearing a leather top with no shirt underneath, like a leather kind of waistcoat or anything like that. That's not gonna be people. I'm not gonna wanna see that, know what I mean? People aren't gonna wanna see it. Let's be honest with ourselves. They're not gonna want to hear it like. I just, I just, it's not gonna work, man. Like I think you've really like, look, I really think you need to just, I only think you need to think about this. I think you need to pray on it. I think you need to talk to your pastor. I think you need to talk to your wife and, um, I think you really just need to spend some time thinking about what's going on for you in this man. You know what I mean?

Pat 38:21

So there's a chance.

Rich 38:24

Okay.

Pat 38:26

Alright. So apparently this is gonna need, this is gonna need a little, a little more work, before we, we turn into, Simon and Garfunkel. So, all right, well, let us remind everybody that the path to joy, peace, and happiness is to follow our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We hope everybody has a good day, a good week. Do you have any final thoughts for Richard?

Rich 38:50

Praise the Lord, man, and particularly on this Easter that you know this over this Easter weekend, like just remembering this is, this is where, this is where it all happened, man. Do you know what I mean? Yes. This is where it all happened. So

Pat 38:59

he, he is risen and

Rich 39:01

he he is risen brother. Hallelujah.

Pat 39:04

Take care, bud.

Rich 39:05

Take care man. Speak to you soon. Bye.