Episode 9: Rooted & Recovered -It’s Time to Make It Right

What if freedom costs more than an apology?

In this gut-wrenching episode of Rooted & Recovered, Dan and Justin unpack Step Nine of the 12-Step journey:
“Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.”

This is where recovery gets real. It’s no longer about admitting the damage—it’s about repairing it. Step Nine isn’t just about saying “I’m sorry.” It’s about stepping into holy ground with trembling hands, a repentant heart, and the bold humility to say, “I broke it… now I want to help make it right.”

This episode will challenge everything in you that still wants to hide, justify, or forget. But healing won’t let you skip this step. Because making amends isn’t about control—it’s about character.

Key Highlights:

• Why apologies soothe guilt but amends restore dignity
• The difference between seeking closure and walking in freedom
• Why you may be rejected—and why it still matters
• Jacob and Esau: A story of bold return and unexpected grace (Genesis 32–33)
• What it means to stop running and finally face it

Scriptures Covered:
Romans 12:18 • Genesis 32–33 • Matthew 5:23-24 • 2 Corinthians 5:17

Final Truth:
Making amends isn’t about rewriting the past—it’s about proving it no longer owns you. The world may remember who you were, but grace declares who you are now. Show up not for a perfect response, but for holy obedience. Because when grace leads, guilt doesn’t get the final word.

 Pray for courage. Share with someone who’s ready to stop hiding. Tag a brother or sister walking through Step Nine and remind them: you’re not alone in this.

Transcript

0:00

This world doesn't hand out healing. It offers quick fixes, cheap pies and empty promises, but real recovery. It takes roots. Roots that dig deep into truth, into identity, into the unshakeable grace of God. We're not here to sugarcoat the struggle. We've lived it. Addiction, shame, relapse, regret, but we've also seen resurrection. We've seen what happened. Happens when broken people get anchored in something real rooted and recovered is more than a podcast. It's a battleground for the soul. A place where scars tell stories, where scripture speaks louder than shame, where freedom isn't just a word. It's a war we win daily. So if you're tired of surface level answers, if you want truth that convicts, hope that heals, and conversations that cut through the noise, you're in the right place. Welcome to Rooted and Recovered.

Dan: 1:08

Welcome to another episode of Rooted and Recovered. I am your host, Dan Pyles. Got in the studio with me today on this beautiful, beautiful, sunny day, my partner in crime. Justin, how you doing? My friend?

Justin: 1:23

Blessed and highly favored. As always, Dan. It's an honor to be here, an honor to get to do this, and I'm just humbled that God's allowing us to do this and be a part of people's lives.

Dan: 1:32

Yes, sir. It is a privilege and honor to be able to. Be in your vehicle, your just your ear, and listening to us every single week as we produce these. We pray about these every time, guys. We, we don't ever want to sit behind, uh, these microphones and just spew junk. Uh, we always want it to be spirit filled and we always pray, anytime before we record. Or just do anything in general. We always want the spirit to lead and guide us. And Justin, we are cooking right along, uh, the 12 step series. I mean, guys, today we are going to be tackling step nine and the title Justin for. Today's podcast is, it's Time to Make It Right. Step nine tells us, make direct amends to such people whenever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. And Justin, I wanna start this podcast out with just a really bold statement. When we start looking at step nine, brother. It's really simple. We're not asking for closure. You're not asking for closure. What you're doing in this step. You're walking in freedom. Guys, this is a step that just scares most people because it's no longer just about reflection. It's no longer just about confession. It's about humbling yourself you are saying, I know I hurt you, but now I want to make it right.

Justin: 3:09

This is a toss up between inventory. Step nine when it comes to the most difficult steps, because this is, like you said, this is when it gets real. This is when you confront your past. We confronted, we looked at the man in the mirror. We've confessed to God. We've confessed to another human being, and now we're going looking at the person that either hurt us that we've hurt in saying, look, I'm sorry, or I forgive you. Right? This is where. You have to, and this is guys, we've been cooking through this series. Don't rush it. Right? Make sure before you don't just think, oh man, I just turned it on today. I'm gonna go start telling everybody, I'm sorry. Go back to step one.

Dan: 3:57

Mm-hmm.

Justin: 3:57

Restart the process. If you get here and you feel uncomfortable doing this, and make sure, first of all, that you're not trying to do it on your own, that you're letting God lead and that you're relying on the Holy Spirit's help. Like Dan said earlier, we have to have it for all things, even when we do this, and you need it here. Because look, man, I've told people, Hey, I'm sorry.

Dan: 4:21

Mm-hmm.

Justin: 4:22

It's hard, especially when you start looking at the people you hurt the most.

Dan: 4:26

Well, and you gotta think about something, Justin, when you look at step nine, man, it, it it has nothing about creating a perfect apology. Uh, it, it has nothing to do with, um, even expecting a perfect response when you give that apology.'cause you're not walking into these moments asking for closure. You're walking into them because freedom has a cost, Justin, and this is part of that price.

Justin: 4:58

I love what you said. We're not looking for a perfect response. You're not looking for them to say, it's okay. I forgive you, and just wrap arms and hug you, because let's be honest, there's still people out there that flinch every time they hear your name.

Dan: 5:14

Yeah.

Justin: 5:15

When they hear Justin Miller, they say, Ooh, Ooh, I know that guy. When they hear so and so, whatever your name is. They're probably a little leery, especially when they hear, oh man, he's doing good, he's doing better, he's walking in recovery. Well, that's not the person I know.

Dan: 5:32

You know, and that's the thing, Justin, when we get to this step and, and when you guys, when you get to this part of your recovery, you're gonna have to know sometimes. Just the things that you have done in life. You've burnt bridges that you are not going to be able to repair. So I want to, I want to prepare you in this step. You know guys, some people are just not going to respond. I. How you hope they would, some people may reject your apology, but that's not the measure of success in this step, guys. That's right. Because the real question is, and you gotta be willing to ask yourself, am I willing to do what's right, even if it doesn't lead to a reconciliation?

Justin: 6:19

You're not in it for their response. If you're coming into this step looking for a response from the other person, your heart's not right because this isn't about them. This is about you. This is about you making it right between you, God and the other person, and saying, look, I've done my part. It's up to them to accept it. Just like when Jesus went to the cross, he died for all. Absolutely. It's a free gift, but we have to do our part and receive that grace. What we're doing in this step is offering up that grace.

Dan: 6:51

You're not just cleaning up your past family, you're stepping into a brand new identity. One that doesn't run from accountability. Man, that's a nasty cuss word, Justin. That is a cuss word in this society today. One that doesn't run from accountability, but walks into accountability boldly.

Justin: 7:12

Faces it head on.

Dan: 7:14

Mm, yep.

Justin: 7:15

Look, I don't know about you, but for a long time I would go and replay these scenarios in my head and I couldn't sleep at night. But after I started making amends, after I started letting God show me how to make it right, yeah. Satan would come knocking on my door and go, Hey, hey, remember this? I'd say, yeah, but I did my part. I can only do so much. You can only do so much. And what you can do is own it. When I got to the end of my inventory, you know, I was expecting to find all these things that I could point at other people, what they had done wrong to me, and ah, this, and I'm gonna have to forgive people for this and this and this. And when I got to the end of it, every single one, even the ones that weren't my fault, at the end of it, I had to take a look at myself and said, I never let it go. I never owned up to my part in this, so how can I expect them to even not flinch it, my name?

Dan: 8:16

Right?

Justin: 8:16

But the thing is, I wasn't looking for people not to flinch it my name. I was looking to get it off of my chest so that when I laid my head on the pillow at night, I had that good rest that Jesus talks about. Amen. And that I know the other side of tired. This is us coming with those burdens. We're weary and worn out, and Jesus is saying, look, you're gonna rest from work. It doesn't mean you're not gonna do it, but the works you do like offering amends is a rest that brings rest to the soul.

Dan: 8:49

Hey man. You said something, you said the word amends, you know, and Justin, there is a. Huge difference between an apology and actually making amends with somebody. So let's slow down here for just a moment and let's talk real guys, because this right here is where a lot of people get stuck. It's not because they don't want change, but because they don't want to face who they hurt to do it. And I get it. It's one thing to admit we're wrong. But family, it's a whole different thing to back up, own it and make it right, but let's clear something up real quick. There's a massive difference between an apology and making an amend. An apology says, I'm sorry you were hurt. And Amen says, here's what I did and here's how I want to repair the damage that I caused.

Justin: 9:53

And that it's the owning it. Like you said earlier, that is us taking ownership. I can say I'm sorry all day long, but when I say, look, I'm sorry for this. Mm-hmm. And that's why when you get here, it's not just a generalized, Hey, I'm sorry for what I did. That's not what this is about. This is saying, Hey, I'm sorry that I treated you like an object. I'm sorry that. I got in a argument with you over over the color of the chair right in the corner, because we have a part in this, we like to blame everybody else, and this is us taking ownership for our part and saying, look, not only am I sorry, I apologize and I want to make it. Right. Like Dan said, it's not about just saying, sorry. It's about owning up the instance, not just a bunch of'em at one time, but the individual thing that keeps you up at night.

Dan: 10:53

Right. Because when you look at an apology, man, you know, honestly, it's soothing. Your guilt.

Justin: 10:58

Yes.

Dan: 10:59

You know, but when you make an amends, you're taking the opportunity to restore that individual's dignity. We're not trying, and this step guys, you're not trying to feel better about yourself. We're stepping into the broken places of people's lives that we helped break. You broke, I broke, and we're saying you mattered then. And guess what? You matter now. And I'm not hiding from this anymore. Justin the Bible tells us in Romans 12:18. He says if, if it is possible, listen to what he said. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you. Live at peace with everyone. This doesn't mean family, that everyone will accept what you say. This doesn't mean that they're gonna hug you and say, oh, it's okay Dan. It's okay. Justin, I forgive you. But guess what? That's not the goal. The goal is to stop running. The goal is to stop avoiding and to do what's right, family, even when it's hard, even when it hurts. Even if they don't respond Justin to the way that you hoped,

Justin: 12:19

and it's here also that we, I wanna go back to the step for a second, except when to do so would injure yourself or others. Look, there's certain people, like it says, if it is possible, there's certain people that you just can't, right? And, and if you've been abused. If you've been the abuser

Dan: 12:42

mm-hmm.

Justin: 12:44

If you've done things to people that have caused criminal, you know, justice to come upon you, you're probably not gonna have that opportunity if you know that it's gonna hurt them. If you know there's some people that I haven't reached out to, because as much as I'd like to, I know the damage I'd done and it would cause even more damage just to talk to me. Right. Doesn't mean I won't get the opportunity one day. Right. It just means I recognize that it's not the right time and sometimes all you can do is make it right with you and God and offer amends and forgive yourself. And I love, it's not about validation.

Dan: 13:31

Mm-hmm.

Justin: 13:32

It's about humbling ourselves and doing the right thing. That's called integrity. This is what builds character, right? This is us saying, I know I've messed up, but I'm gonna do what I can to live at peace with everyone. Do not repay evil with evil, but repay evil with good.

Dan: 13:53

Amen.

Justin: 13:54

And this is us saying, Hey, I've given you evil before, but I'm trying to offer good,

Dan: 14:00

right guys. This step right here, step nine. It's not about getting a response. It's about giving respect.

Justin: 14:09

Yes.

Dan: 14:10

the question that I gotta ask you guys, do you trust grace to walk into the mess you made? Let me throw that at you again. Do you trust grace? Amen. Do you have enough faith? Do you trust the process enough we've talked about this in previous podcast episodes, that, that the Lord said that he would never leave us, that he would never forsake us. You know, the Bible tells us that he's a friend that sticks closer than a brother. Do you trust grace enough? To walk into the mess that you make.'cause let's be honest, family making not an apology. It's easy to apologize, apologies, do nothing but soothe you. Apologies, do nothing but make you feel better. But I'm talking real to you. I'm talking about a real genuine apology called in amends. Let's be honest, family. Making an amends with somebody hurts because sometimes the hardest part of recovery is not because we don't care, but it's because we do. Because when you start facing the wreckage, the faces, the memories, the silence. Family. You're not just revisiting the past at this moment. You're reopening rooms that you have spent years just in trying to keep locked up. But guys, here's the truth. Healing doesn't always come with numbing. Did you catch that? Healing doesn't always come with numbing. Sometimes Justin, it comes with cutting and when, when you let grace. Walk into your life and into that situation like a surgeon, bro, that's the first thing that that popped into my head. When you let grace go to work like a surgeon, and it begins to cut deep enough to remove the, the infection and that sickness, not just to soothe the surface. We're not talking about apologies anymore. Not just to soothe the surface, but that's what this step is about, allowing grace to come into your life and cut. Cut and get deep enough to remove that nasty infection that you and I have tried to hide in our lives for so long. Justin, that's what this step is all about. It's not just showing up with some apology. It's you stepping into holy ground, grace filled ground more than restored Justin type grace and saying, look man, I made a mess. I really messed things up in your life, but Grace, grace walked me here so I could help clean it up.

Justin: 17:14

And that's what it's gonna take is grace. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you. That this step is easy. Like I said, there's a reason people leave at step four and step nine when you have to start doing the work, it gets rough.

Dan: 17:29

Mm-hmm.

Justin: 17:30

But Grace, what did we talk about? His grace I. Sufficient. Mm-hmm. It's in your weakness. His strength shows, and this is us admitting our weakness. This is us walking to somebody and saying, look, I wasn't who I was supposed to be then. That's not who I am anymore. This is who God's made me, and He's made me a man or a woman of God that is a man or woman of integrity, one with character, and Jesus Christ says that I'm forgiven. I just want to let you know that I'm still sorry, not because I have to, not because it feels good to me, right? But because God told me to do it. God's grace will strengthen you to do that. All you have to do in this step is be willing to be willing. There you go. And he will do the, we make it so hard on ourselves. Be willing to be willing. It's it. It starts with you saying, I'm deciding to step in this grace. I'm deciding to let this grace cut out that part of my life that. I don't want to, I don't wanna lose sleepover anymore because let's be honest, these are the moments that we lose sleepover. Look, I'd love to tell you that all I ever thought about was what others had done to me. I blamed people when things went bad in my life. That's what I thought about. But when things weren't going bad, I was sitting there blaming myself. I was sitting there thinking about all the things I had done. And let me tell you something, even as a pastor, Satan still likes to show up and say, Hey, remember what you've done?

Dan: 19:12

Oh, he sure does. He sure does,

Justin: 19:15

and this is us punching Satan in the mouth and saying, I know what I've done, and because of God's grace, I'm gonna step in this place and I'm gonna make amends because God asked me to, and I want to be holy and pleasing the way he does. Look it a pure heart.

Dan: 19:37

Mm-hmm.

Justin: 19:38

That doesn't mean it's just free from everything. It means it's been tested, tried, and proven true. And this is us going through that refining process of being tested and tried. This is us getting rid of those things in our heart that we need to get rid of so that we can have a clean heart. A pure heart.

Dan: 19:56

No, that's, that's good. Justin. You know, it's in this step. I, I feel,'cause I know early in my recovery, Justin, I constantly felt like I had to prove, I. I had to prove that I changed. I had to prove that, you know, this ain't the old me anymore guys. You are not, you're not just proving in this step that you've changed guys. You're letting God rewrite the story with your actions.

Justin: 20:24

Yes.

Dan: 20:25

See, you're showing the world that this version of me. The new me, the Bible says that if anybody being Christ or a new person, yes, amen. That type of person, this version of me, doesn't run from the wreckage, this version of me because of grace. I'm gonna walk into it with grace as my guide, and I'm gonna tell you it might get awkward. There might be some crying moments. And you know what? Truthfully, as Justin said at the beginning of this podcast, you might get shut down because of the, because of the things that you've done to somebody's life. But listen, that moment is still sacred because you're not walking in guilt no more. You are now walking in grace and family. When grace leads guilt doesn't get the final word.

Justin: 21:20

I, you know, I've had a good friend of mine tell me this. When you borrow money from somebody, that person basically owns you. If, if Dan gives me$20, if I don't give it back to him, what starts happening? I start hiding. I start going to places. I know Dan's gonna, I stop going to those places that I know Dan's gonna be at. I start trying to avoid him when I don't have his money. Well, guess what? When you hurt somebody and you broke'em, it's almost like they own a piece of you because when you see'em, that shame and that guilt tells you you can't go there. You ever been somebody or been somewhere where you've seen somebody, you've hurt and you almost like Walmart and you have to put your head down and rush to the next aisle because man, I can't. I can't face them. Or you're in a room full of people and that one person walks in and everybody in there knows who you are now, but that person knows who you was then. And you sit there and you go, oh man, this is this. And it brings your fear over you. Well, this is us wiping that slate clean. This is us paying that debt back and saying, look, I know I've done you wrong. I'm offering amends. It's hard, there's shame that comes with it, and it, it takes a humbling of yourself and relying upon God's grace to do this. But that's the beauty of it. Mm-hmm. He gives you the grace to do it. He, he paid your debt so that you could go with the message of reconciliation to others and reconcile first yourself to them because it's there that you can start showing them what Christ looks like in you. It's there that, and like Dan said, it's not for validation. It's so that people can see Jesus in you.

Dan: 23:14

Amen. And that's the thing, when you allow grace to lead this. Guilt, don't get the final word.

Justin: 23:22

That's guilt's been defeated. Amen.

Dan: 23:26

Guilt has been defeated. Family. When Grace leads, when I think of the story of Jacob and Esau, I encourage you to go read this. You know, we're gonna be talking about today's in Genesis chapter 32 and 33. We're gonna be talking about an encounter with Jacob and Esau, but I encourage you to go back to the Book of Genesis and read this story. You wanna talk about being just straight up, just deceived by blood, bro, to have your own family member deceive you and then jet on you for years. This wasn't just some petty argument.

Justin: 24:08

Hmm.

Dan: 24:09

Guys. Jacob stole from his brother. He lied to his dad, his family, and he deceived his entire family. And then what's he do? He runs. And for years, guys, I know Jacob had to carry the weight of what he did. as you read the, the story of Jacob in, in the book of Genesis, you'll see he tried to outrun it. He tried to build a life without facing it, but the day came, that's right. That day came where every one of us in recovery has to face. The bill came due that day. When you stop running and you start returning, you see Jacob. The Bible tells us that he, he returns with trembling hands and, and a broken heart. He don't just, he don't come with excuses. He, he doesn't try to justify what happens. The Bible says he comes low, he comes humble. And he comes ready to make things right. And guess what happens? Family. Esau runs to him, his brother, he runs to him, and the Bible says he embraces him. No lecture, no payback, no revenge. Justin. Just grace in action. Now let me be clear with you. You may not always get this kind of response. You might get silence, you might get rejection, but here's what you'll get, Justin. You'll get peace because when you walk into that hard place with a repentant heart and clean hands, you will leave the situation knowing that you did your part. Because families, sometimes the miracle isn't how they respond. Sometimes the miracle is you finally stopping. Hiding from it because sometimes the person who needs your apology the most is the one you look at every day in the mirror.

Justin: 26:26

You know what, there's a part of this story too that I'm gonna, I wanna talk about for a second. Jacob sends his whole family. He sends his maids, he sends his servants, he sends his wives, his children, says, look what I've got. Look what I've got, Esau. Look what I've got. Look what I've got. And he's left there by himself and the night before he goes, he wrestles with God. Think about that for a second. It wasn't easy. He wrestled with God on what he was gonna do. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. He was sitting there going, God, and God says. Okay. You wanna wrestle? And he wrestled with him and he's, he, he held him down. And Jacob said, but I, I, I want a blessing. The blessing, we can talk about how God poured out Israel came through him and he changed his name. Right. But the blessing was the reconciliation that happened with his family and the strength to go confront his brother that he was scared to do. Amen. Right, and that's the thing, guys, you're probably wrestling with God and God saying, Hey, you need to make amends to this person. And you're saying, no, I don't. I'm fine on this side of the Jordan. I'm fine. Me and mine are just fine. I'm okay with this. And God's saying, wait a minute, do you really want my blessing? You're gonna have to put in the work. Look, God doesn't you pray to God. For a hole and he gives you a shovel. You're gonna have to do some digging.

Dan: 28:01

Absolutely.

Justin: 28:02

This is us doing that digging. This is us putting in the work and look, it's not work on our own. And when I hear that word, it makes my, I get chicken skin'cause I don't like it sometimes.'cause this isn't about you doing to be saved. This is about you doing because you are safe. This is about you. Like Dan said, walking into that grace and walking into that blessing, walking into that miracle. Look you want, you want the Holy Spirit to work in your lives. We want recovery. Well, recovery takes steps. Well, guess who's gotta take those steps? You have to be willing to take that step. We walk by faith, not by sight. That's right. It, it's not gonna look the way you want it to look. what Jacob did to Esau was worthy of death. In fact, if it wasn't for his mother, Jacob would've been dead.

Dan: 28:53

Oh, absolutely.

Justin: 28:53

Because Esau was a man of the land. Esau, I imagine, was a big burley fellow.

Dan: 28:58

Mm-hmm.

Justin: 28:58

He, he liked to hunt, he liked to fish. He was, he was a man's man. Jacob was the, was the guy who was sitting there making beans. Right. Right. That you Right, I got you big bro. You know what I mean? I think of me and my brother and how he'd say, Hey, I'm gonna tie this tricone to the back of my bicycle and ride you around. Okay. And he'd just sling me off that thing until mailbox. Right. And he was, he was fearful of him. And you're probably fearful of making amends with that person in your life that. You know you've done wrong to, but look, quit wrestling. Just give in and let God have the victory that he's gonna win no matter what, if you're truly right. If you're truly following him. Right. Look, it's gonna happen eventually anyway. We used to say that in coal mines, man. Some people would struggle when we go to draw a mustache, Sean and be like, look, we're not gonna stop, so you might as well just give in. Right. This is you just saying, you know what? I'm willing to take that mustache. I'm willing to do what God wants me to do because I understand, like Dan said earlier, that there is a blessing on the other side of this, and this is about the grace of God. It's it, it's not about the grace of Dan, it's not about the grace of Justin. It's not about a perfect ending. It's about the grace of God doing what the grace of God can do. And so many times we think of the grace of God as, and it is, it's undeserved favor. It's undeserved merit. It's, it's receiving something that we don't deserve. But look, in the Bible, the Greek word for grace has two meanings because it also, it does mean undeserved favor, but it also means the divine influence of God on one's heart, and its reflection in his life. Hmm. That's good. And this, this is us reflecting that influence of God in our heart. It's real good. This is us saying, you know what? His grace saved me and his grace blesses me. Because that's when the blessing comes, when you start walking in that undeserved favor and letting it reflect in your life and all aspects of it.

Dan: 31:14

That's very good. You know, and Justin, I mean, as we get ready to wrap this podcast up, you know, I, I gotta ask. Who are you still afraid to face? Because let's get honest, because step nine family will demand it. Who are you still afraid to face? Whose name do you skip over when you pray? Whose memory makes your stomach turn? Because you know, deep down inside it's unfinished. Guys, God's not calling you to go back so you can relive the pain. He's calling you to go back, so he can redeem the moment. It's not about dragon shame behind you. It's about showing up as a new creation. We've talked about this today. It's about showing up as a new creation because he grace. Has been forming you and recreating you. You don't go back as the old you. You don't go back carrying the fruit of your surrender. Guys, the evidence of your healing, the light of a life that has finally been touched by grace is being honest and making amends, not apologies. Making amends with people in your life that you hurt. Hear me? That's powerful family. When you walk into the past carrying the presence of God, you change how the story ends, guys, because making amends, it's not about pretending the past never happened. It's about proving that the past. Doesn't control you anymore,

Justin: 33:20

and this is that breaking of chains. Look, Jesus is the chain breaker. This is those chains being broken. This is the chains falling off. This is a saying. I'm not gonna be bound by that anymore. I. For too long. I've let it control my life. I've let that person dictate where I can go, when I can go, what I should say, how I should act. This is us saying no more.

Dan: 33:50

Mm-hmm.

Justin: 33:50

This is us saying, I'm a man of God. I'm a woman of God. I'm following what he calls me to do. This is us, like I said, punching Satan in the mouth and saying, you thought you would hold this against me, but not anymore. What? Not today. Satan.

Dan: 34:06

Right. Guys, you can't change the past. We can't. Nope. I wish we could. There's just some things in our life guys, we just can't change. But what we can do is we can walk into it with a heart. that's been made new. If anybody being Christ, they're a new person. Justin, is there anything you want to close with Brother as we get ready to wrap up today's episode?

Justin: 34:35

Don't be afraid of your past. Don't think the mistakes you've made are what's gonna define you for the rest of your life. Remember, like Dan said, you are a new creation in Christ. Behold, all things have become new. The old has passed away. Quit letting the things you've done. Keep you from the things you're called to do.

Dan: 35:03

Amen.

Justin: 35:05

I do want to add this, Dan. Look guys, this is of God, the spirit of God's with us in this. Keep praying for us. Go to our Facebook page, go to our Instagram page like share, because there's people who need to hear this and we want you to be a part of that. We put out a thing a few weeks ago. If you have a testimony, send it. Don't give us the 45 minute version. We can't promise you we'll have it out there, right? But take take 30 to 60 to 90 seconds and tell us what God's done. Tell us who God is for you. Share your recovery story because this is more than about just me and Dan. This is about family, the forever family found in Christ. Pray for us, like share it, subscribe, send it to others. Remember, God loves you.

Dan: 36:02

Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Guys, step nine, man. It's one of the hardest steps that you and I are ever gonna face, It takes guts to face what you broke. It takes grace to walk into that moment without hiding. Don't wait to feel brave. Don't wait until it's easy. Show up because you're free. Show up because grace got you here, and even if the outcome isn't what you hoped, the obedience still matters family. Until next time, stay rooted, stay recovered, and let's get to work.

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You are not just surviving. You are becoming, becoming rooted in truth, becoming recovered by grace, and becoming the person God always knew you could be. Thanks for joining us on Rooted in Recovered. If this episode stirred something in you, don't keep it to yourself. Share it, live it, let it take root. We'll see you next time right here where scars become testimonies and hope rises from the ashes.