56. Do You Have Supermum Syndrome? with Onnie Michalsky

That feeling when you sit down for five minutes and immediately think "I should be doing something" - therapist Onnie Michalsky from Moms Without Capes calls it supermum syndrome (or Supermom syndrome). In this conversation, she and Nina explore why so many mums carry it, and what it costs them.

You'll Learn

•  - What supermum syndrome is and how to spot it
•  - How the do-it-all mindset affects your relationship and your kids
•  - Why so many mums struggle to feel worthy of their own time
•  - What healthy boundaries actually look like in motherhood
•  - A simple daily check-in to start putting your needs on the list

Why This Episode Matters
If you've ever eaten the crusts while your kids eat a proper meal, or felt guilty the second you sat down - this one is for you. Onnie brings real honesty to this conversation, and it's the kind of episode that makes you feel seen rather than lectured.

Small Shift for Big Impact
Onnie's small shift: once a day, check in with yourself. Pause and ask - what am I feeling? How is it showing up in my body? What do I need right now? It takes less than 30 seconds, but it starts building the habit of treating your own needs as worth noticing.
 
Take the Next Step
Set the alarm now - attach it to something you already do, like brushing your teeth or making a coffee. Get this small shift started today.
 
Links and Resources

• Visit Onnie's website
• Listen to Onnies Tedx talk - link coming soon.
• Book a free 15-minute coaching discovery call with Nina
• Related Podcast Episodes
  • Ep 19 - Are You Drowning in the Parenting Juggle?
  • Ep 20 - What If You Could Finally Let Go of Mum Guilt? with Dr Camille Guillerey
  • Ep 51 - How Worth Shapes the Way We Parent with Nellie Harden

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About the Hosts

Nina Visic is a mindful parenting coach, mum of three and host of Your Calm Parenting Path. Trained through Hunter Clarke-Fields' Mindful Parenting programme, she helps overwhelmed parents find more calm, connection and confidence through practical strategies and mindfulness. Nina works with parents one-on-one and through group programs and workshops, supporting families to break generational patterns and build more connected, joyful homes.

Onnie Michalsky is a licensed therapist, consultant, podcaster and mum of six. She is the founder of Moms Without Capes, a private therapy practice and online community supporting women in stepping out from under the pressure of doing it all and finding a more sustainable way through motherhood. Onnie also leads the Yellowstone County Mental Health Alliance and is a TEDx speaker on the societal expectations placed on mothers. She ran the Moms Without Capes podcast for over 265 episodes.

Transcript

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Episode 56 Do You Have Supermum Syndrome? with Onnie Michalsky

Nina: You're listening to your Calm Parenting Path. I'm your host, Nina, a mindful parenting coach and mum, here to help you go from overwhelmed and reactive to calm, confident and connected with your kids. This show is for parents who want to raise their children with more patience, less stress and a whole lot more joy, because small shifts make a big impact and you can build the parenting life you've always wanted. If you want to see what I'm up to, follow me on Instagram. Mindfulparentinglifestyle. And don't forget to hit follow or subscribe so you never miss an episode. Let's get started.

Nina: Hello, lovely listeners. Welcome back to your calm parenting path. Today I'm joined by Onnie, a licenced therapist, consultant, podcaster and mum of six. Oni is founder of Mums Without Capes, where she supports women in stepping out from under the pressure of doing it all and finding a more balanced, sustainable way to move through motherhood. Alongside her work with mums, she also leads the Yellowstone County Mental Health alliance, bringing professionals together to strengthen support within the mental health space. Ornie, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for joining me today.

Onnie: Yeah, thank you for having me. This is fun. It's been a while since I did a podcast interview, so I'm kind of like getting back into the swing of things.

Nina: So, um, Oni, can you start by sharing a little about yourself, what you do and what led you to create mums without capes?

Onnie: Sure. So you kind of dipped a little bit into it as you shared my introduction. But as you mentioned, I am a licenced therapist, but my journey starts way before that. In 2003 was when I got my master's in family counselling. And then life kind of. I started having kids and, well, more kids. I had two when I graduated and ended up being a stay at home mom for almost 15 years. And through that time, we did quite a bit of stuff. We moved across the country. I started getting into Zumba.

Nina: Nice. Love Zumba.

Onnie: It's honest to me. You know what that is?

Nina: Yeah. Love it.

Onnie: A little dance fitness. And that kind of was my kind of taste of doing something that was for myself rather than, like battling the guilt. Mm. And that was kind of my start of my storey of where Moms without Kids was born. But I'm gonna. I'll get back to that in a minute. So in 2017, I was kind of just itching. What am I gonna do? I was looking at kind of just like my options and our Youngest daughter was four at the time. So she was the only one that, like, if I was to go back to work, then she would be going to daycare. Because up till then, like all of my other kids I raise about homeschooling. I was like totally into being all mom.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: And my husband was like, well, why don't you do something that you actually went to school for 15 years before or 20 years before.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: And I ended up going back and getting licenced to be a therapist. I'm from Montana, or I'm not from Montana, but we live in Montana and we have to get 3,000 hours of supervision and all of that. So I did that. And that took me a few years, I bet. But I went from like being a stay home mom to a full time working mom, like working outside the home and continuing all the things I was doing inside the home. Well, most of the things. It was a lot, I bet. And in 2019, I was fully licenced and I decided to start my own practise. So that's what I do now. I have my own private practise. Moms without capes. I started around 2020 and that is what I've been doing since the. We actually, uh, opened. I opened my office in March of 2020 and that's when Covid hit here.

Nina: Oh, my gosh.

Onnie: So getting off the ground was a little bit, but I do a hybrid. I do it virtual and started a Facebook group, started a, uh, podcast. All the Things with Moms without Kate.

Nina: Oh, fantastic. What a journey.

Onnie: Yeah. So to kind of go back to the Zumba. My friend kept asking me. We'd moved to a new town. She kept asking me to go to this new Zumba class, which I didn't even know what that was at the time. It's like circle, like 2012, 2013. And our oldest was 12. We have kids that are like every three years apart.

Nina: Okay.

Onnie: And so in 2012, she kept asking me to go to this new Zumba class. And I was like, I had every excuse in the book, you know, like, I had dinner to make, lessons to, to write and laundry to do, dishes to wash. Like all the things.

Nina: All the things, yes.

Onnie: And so I kept putting her off. Putting her off. And one night, I feel like the stars lined up and dinner was in the slow cooker.

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Onnie: My husband was home. Like the kids, everything was like, done. Like, done enough. Right. And like, just go. Like, I just needed that encouragement and it felt so hard just getting out the door.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: Ah. But I went and I loved it. Like the energy in the room and the music. And it was like the first time in 12 years that I did something that didn't directly or, like, at that time, like, I didn't even see how even indirectly, uh, influenced my kids or was for them. And, ah, I just kind of lost myself in the music and just really enjoyed it. So much so that it provided enough positive reinforcement that it wasn't so hard for me to go the next time. And then each time it became a little bit easier until I became an instructor in it.

Nina: Wow.

Onnie: Started doing my own classes. It was my thing and it really had nothing to do with the kids. So when I started Moms Without Capes, it was primarily for mothers who struggled with that same struggle m that I had of feeling so guilty that they couldn't do anything for themselves. And at the time, it was really affecting my marriage. I felt so resentful of my husband. Yeah. Parenthood really didn't affect him as far as his identity continued. He continued to do the same things, engage in the same hobby. Whereas I had pursued motherhood with such passion.

Nina: Yep.

Onnie: That everything else faded into the background, including my own identity. So that was where mom, uh, Capes was born.

Nina: Wow.

Onnie: Of my own struggles.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: With Supermom syndrome.

Nina: While you're saying that, I'm thinking back to a time when my first was born. He would have been about four months old. And it was Easter and he was asleep and me and my husband were just sitting on the couch watching tv. And I said to my husband, I feel so guilty sitting here doing nothing. I need to be up and doing a job now because he's asleep. I can't just sit here and do nothing. And my husband was like, what are you talking about? Just rest. You need to rest. Of course you need to rest.

Onnie: They don't get it.

Nina: And I'm like, but there's washing that needs to be folded and the dishes are dirty and I need to do this and I need to do that. And it was so hard for me to get out of that mindset of the baby sleeping. I must do something. And I think that's similar to what you're saying is even though doing jobs isn't doing something for me.

Onnie: Absolutely.

Nina: But just that mindset where you're the one that has to do everything because you're the mum, you know, that's who you are now. You're the homekeeper kind of thing. Anyway, that's just my little storey of how I can relate to what you're saying.

Onnie: Right. Like those society Expectations? Yeah. Yes, absolutely.

Nina: And you talk about the Supermum syndrome and would you like to speak to that a little bit? What is that term and how can parents relate to that one?

Onnie: There's no diagnosis for would help. It's not a medical term, but it is what you just described, like, what I shared in my storey of that relentless pursuit of being this super mom. Like, being this mom that society paints the perfect mom. And even though we know, well, we're far from doing it perfectly right, like, because it's all. It's poking at all our insecurities and feeling like we're not doing enough and we're failing our kids and all of that. It's that relentless pursuit and how you described when you sat down and you felt this, I should be doing something else. I need to be up and clear. I need to take advantage of this time where I can do things in a uninterrupted. Do the laundry and do all the things that it's kind of harder to do with kids. It's that m. Pursuit of being a super mom. And it's not healthy because it impacts our relationships, it impacts our health, our mental health and our physical health. And it causes us to lose our identity aside from being a mom, like, outside of our role as a mom. And then we get to the point where it just feels like, who am I? What do I even like to do anymore? You kind of forget. Yeah.

Nina: I'm wondering, Oni, where do you think this perception comes from that we need to do everything perfect and we need to be super mum? I talk a lot about the insta perfect parent and things and how that's really shaped lots of people's experience. But from your experience, where does that come from, that need or that pursuit to want to be a supermum? And the expectations are so high on ourselves. Where does it come from? Was it. Did our parents have it? Did their parents have it?

Onnie: That's a great question because. Yeah, my first thought when you said that, I was like, social media, because it does. Like, the perfect mom. Yeah. I feel like it's perpetuated by social media. Like it's already preying on our insecurities already. And so then we start comparing ourselves, whether it's consciously or unconsciously, to other moms. But it existed before the advent of social media for sure, right?

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: And there's so many books written on this subject of, like, the history of motherhood. And where there's ideals, there's unrealistic ideals

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Onnie: have come from and how they've just Kind of commercialism and how companies have kind of poked at that to sell us things to make money at those insecurities that already exist. And so they've just continued to perpetuate. And it's a societal. Why.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: Did you say that I was a TEDx speaker in my bio?

Nina: No, I didn't. No.

Onnie: Okay. So I am, I am, um. And I spoke all about the societal expectations. Wow. On mothers and how it is contributing to the crumbling of society as a whole. Right. Because many of the moms that come to me are on the verge of divorce. They feel like they are carrying such a heavy load and they're like, well, I'm doing it all anyway. And to have to take care of my husband or to pick up his socks from the bathroom floor. Right. Like, it's one more thing. It's one more thing. And they're coming to me with husbands that, ah, they know, love them and they're totally willing to help. And I know this isn't video and I'm saying that in quotes.

Nina: Yep.

Onnie: Because that just adds to the mental load as well. Like, okay, so that's great, you want to help, but that, that means that I am still the primary person responsible for that task. And now you're asking me to not just do it, but now I've got a catalogue. I've got to go through all of the things that I need to do, catalogue them, try to pick out what I can trust you to do, like what I know that you might be able to do correctly. I don't think you can load the dishwasher correctly because we've had that fight before. So I'm not going to give that.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: So it's not helpful when it feels like you're having to do all of the planning and the conceptualising and then your spouse can just jump in and execute the task.

Nina: Like you're micromanaging what they do and choosing what they do to help instead of them just stepping up and just doing it.

Onnie: Yeah.

Nina: Kind of thing.

Onnie: Taking that initiative and looking around the room. And so there's this like, disconnect that is happening between couples. And so the moms are coming to me and divorce rate is so high these days. Um, and it's just mothers are. Because of these expectations on them, because the men and the women are being both raised in the same household in the same society. So, uh, when my husband, way back in 2003, when I had gotten my master's, I was doing an internship and I was working at a domestic violence shelter. I loved it. Like, I, I really loved it. But we had two kids at that time and my husband was working construction with my dad. We were like barely getting by paycheck to paycheck. And I think back now, I'm like, holy smokes, I have a little bit of feminism that exists in me now just from, um, all that. I know, but back then we never even questioned whether I, uh, would continue working or if he would. Yeah. It was not something that. We were both raised by stay at home mothers. We had not even, not even a split second think, maybe I should do my career and I have a master's in college. I probably could get up the ladder faster or whatever it was. That was not even a, uh, thought that we had. And it just goes to show, like we were just raised in the society and we just continue to carry on what we know to be true without,

Nina: without really questioning, just the default of this is what happens next. Yeah.

Onnie: Yeah. Cheque it off the boxes.

Nina: Yeah.

Nina: Wow, that's so interesting. Now you talk about the do it all mindset as well. Can you share some common signs for listeners to show whether they might be caught in that do it all mindset? They might not even realise it.

Onnie: You hit on one of them. That feeling, that pit in your stomach that you get when you do get a moment to sit and you feel that urge of, uh, I can't sit.

Nina: Yep.

Onnie: It almost feels like torture for somebody to say, just relax. All you need to do is just relax. Right. It feels like torture to not do nothing. Yeah. So that is an internal side of. There's something happening here and you really need to dig into that and get curious about that. Where's that coming from? And what expectation do you need to challenge? Because there's something like you have every right to relax. Not only every right, you have to relax. And so when you feel your body fighting against it, that's something, there's something happening there. Perfectionism, um, feeling like everything has to be perfect. Life has lived in the grey area and if I'm not successful, then I'm a failure kind of thing. Yeah.

Nina: One or the other. Yep.

Onnie: The racing mind.

Nina: Yep.

Onnie: The busy schedule. If you're, you're staying up at night, that is a big one. If you find yourself right

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Onnie: before bed scrolling on Instagram or scrolling on social, because you're like, oh, it's the only time I get to myself. Yeah. And then you end up scrolling because your energy has been so depleted you don't have the energy to do anything else.

Nina: Mhm.

Onnie: And so you just kind of resort to mindless scrolling.

Nina: It's almost like that breath at the end of the day, isn't it? Finally stopping. And that's what you choose to do.

Onnie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nina: What do you think's going on underneath all this? We've talked about perfectionism, we've talked about that pit in your stomach. Why do so many mums feel like they have to carry everything on their own?

Onnie: I feel like there's different reasons. M1 it could be trauma response.

Nina: Yep.

Onnie: That's stuck in fight or flight and just that your nervous system is just stuck in chronic stress. M and you don't know any different. And it's just the familiar, it's familiar to you so it just continues to happen. I also think it can also be contributed to like a low self worth because if, if you don't consider yourself worthy of making time for that is some self esteem work or like self worth work that you need to do. M of start considering yourself like worthy of making space for and prioritising your needs as important as everyone else's. Mhm. Like you're kind of putting yourself down on a pedestal and elevating everyone else as you're meeting everybody else's needs and using your time to appease everyone else. So there might be some people pleasing behaviours that are happening.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: Where you don't consider yourself worthy of making space or time for. And I think that's a lot that comes up that, that underlying thing like I'm not, I'm not worth making space for. Like everyone else is more important than me.

Nina: Oh, that makes me so sad.

Onnie: Yeah. Yeah.

Nina: Makes me so sad that people feel like that. I share a lot about role modelling and the importance of role modelling and I guess part of that is role modelling to your kids that you're important too and that they're not the centre of the universe and that, you know, I have needs, you have needs. We all have needs, we all need to get them met and we need to role model to our kids to show them how important that is, that we're all just as important as each other.

Onnie: So yeah.

Nina: When you said what you say there just makes me sad that people feel that way, especially when they're doing such a great job, you know, and they're putting their heart and soul into this and it just is making them feel bad. So lovely listener, if this is you, please know that you, you've got this, you're just as important as anybody else. Yeah. So um, so you talk before mums Come to see you and they're on the brink of divorce because of this super mum feeling like they have to do it all. That's kind of shows how it impacts their relationship with their resentment. But what about their kids? How is that behaviour affecting their kids as well?

Onnie: So for me, what I realised is that my kids don't really know me. Like, they don't. They don't know me as like a person.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: They see me as somebody who is taking care of everyone. And that whole what you just said about the role model M, it's perpetuating the whole societal expectation. It's modelling to my daughters of being a mom is exhausting. I don't even want to have kids. Right. And to my son with that whole like, oh, well, my wife's going to take care of everything. I don't need to learn how to do basic skills.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: So it's just modelling for them, uh, this unhealthy way of being. And it also affects, as far as they don't really know the real me because for so long I almost had to put this mask on of showing up of how I think that I should be in this mom Persona and the super mom Persona that they're not really seeing me for, like my humanity, my own fault. And that's one of the things when I do work with clients. One of the things that we do is kind of give ourselves permission to be human.

Nina: Nice.

Onnie: To have feeling and to have needs.

Nina: Yep.

Onnie: And to recognise that we are worthy and treating ourselves like we would a friend or a child.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: Right. Like as far as taking care of having self compassion.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: All the things.

Nina: And like you said earlier, doing the things that bring us joy as well that are, uh, not related to parenting. Like going to the Zumba class. For me, it's going running. And so my kids see me go running and they know that that's important to that I need to make time to go running. And I guess it's similar when you do your Zumba class.

Onnie: I don't even do Zumba anymore, but

Nina: I love what it represents. But yeah, so I think that's really cool. So what about the ripple effect of this behaviour? We've talked partner, we've talked kids. What about in the community and how we support each other as mums?

Onnie: Similar to what I was saying before about the divorce rate and the crumbling of society. It's going to ripple out because the mom is such a vital part of the family and when we work to strengthen the mother, it's going to have an effect.

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Onnie: Uh, anytime anyone works on themselves, it has that ripple effect and it's going to affect the people around them. Mothers are such a vital part of society. I mean, they're involved in so many different things. It's just like a natural consequence that it's going to elevate all of society.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: And the community that they live in.

Nina: Yeah. Beautiful. So let's get practical. It sounds like these mums would need to maybe put in some boundaries. Boundaries can feel really hard, especially when we're already stressed and trying to do it all. So what can you suggest that setting healthy boundaries actually looks like in the context of motherhood?

Onnie: Okay, well, let's go back to like, what are boundaries? Right.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: In their essence, boundaries are just protecting time, energy, space, resources. Protecting them. Right. Rather than depleting them and letting everyone else have your time and space and energy.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: It's often why parents, like moms particularly feel touched out by the end of the day.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: Because they've, they've constantly, consistently had their personal space invaded. And while they are your children. Right. It just fine line that we feel like we've got to walk because we love our kids, um, and we want to be close to them and all of the things. But when you are allowing yourself to be 247 available to everybody else's needs, it's not going to give you any space to meet your own needs.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: It's going to backfire.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: Because then you're going to start feeling resentful. You're going to start feeling like you were created to just serve everyone else and your own health is going to suffer. It's going to start damaging the relationships.

Nina: Yes.

Onnie: The very people that you love the most.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: It's going to start affecting. And so recognising that and seeing like, where can I start protecting my time and space and resources and energy and all the things recognising like even, uh, you're not responsible for everyone else's emotions or behaviours.

Nina: Big one.

Onnie: And that's, that's a big one with moms is we want to make our kids happy. M. But recognising no, like there's a line there. There is a line. And a lot of super moms, they struggle with codependency where they feel like that response that over responsibility for other people's emotions and not even enough for their own because they're, they're sacrificing their own happiness in the pursuit of making other people happy. And that's not good for the long game um, at all.

Nina: No, not at all.

Onnie: Having clear expectations, honouring your own needs as much as other people's.

Nina: Right.

Onnie: We're not talking about more than other people, just as much as other people. Um, of, like, you are worth making dates for yourself, marking time on your calendar in your planner.

Nina: I guess it's even simple. Um, things as well. Like sitting down and eating breakfast with the children.

Nina: Yes.

Nina: Instead of serving them breakfast and then tidying up the kitchen and then sweeping the floor and eating their leftovers, uh, when they're finished. It's taking that time for yourself, isn't it?

Onnie: Peanut butter and jelly. Yeah.

Nina: The crusts of the toast.

Onnie: Yes.

Nina: Yeah. Little things like that.

Onnie: So many. Or like wearing the sneakers you wore in high school when you're 40 years old because you don't want to buy yourself a new pair of sneakers or a new bra. Yeah. Or whatever it is. And your kid is wearing, like, brand new. Whatever.

Nina: That will last about three months.

Onnie: They'll outgrow in three months. It's not sustainable. It's not something that. That role. Back to the role modelling.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: It's not something that, in the long term that you want to be modelling to your kids that, uh, as an adult, your needs will not matter.

Nina: Yeah. You want to show them that everybody's needs matters. Excellent. Thank you. So if a parent listening feels like this is them, if they've had so many aha, uh, moments and they're starting to think, wow, this is me, can you suggest on a small, uh, shift that you gently invite them to try this week? Because on this podcast we like to talk about small shifts that will have big impact for listeners.

Onnie: Okay. So I would say the self cheque in, even if it's once a day, kind of cheque in with yourself. You can set an alarm on your phone. That's a great way. We all carry our phones. So set an alarm or do it while you're brushing your teeth, like attach it to a habit that you're already doing. Yeah. But checking in with yourself can have a great impact. Whereas you just like, what am I feeling?

Nina: Yep.

Onnie: How's it showing up in my body? What is it feeling? Like what? What do I need? Like what? Uh, is there

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Onnie: something that I need right now? Do I need to maybe put a sweater on? Am I feeling tired? Do I need to maybe walk outside for a second, get some fresh air? Just that simple act of checking in with yourself, it can take less than 30 seconds, but it can get you into that habit of, okay, my needs matter too.

Nina: Beautiful.

Onnie: Because so often as moms, we're so focused on everyone else's needs that we've gotten out of the habit of checking in with what you need. And so it just kind of provides a little positive reinforcement of, okay, I can have needs. Yeah, I would say that would be a great way to start.

Nina: Oh, I love that. The cheque in daily. Cheque in. Okay, lovely listeners. Get out your phones. Put a reminder in them to cheque in every day. I'm going to do that myself. Oh, look, Ani, thank you so much. This chat has been lovely. I think you have so much wealth and knowledge around this, and I really am, um, grateful to you for sharing this with the world. Can you share where people can find you about your podcast and if we're in the US where we can work with you?

Onnie: Sure, yes. Thank you so much for having me on the show. It was great.

Nina: It's wonderful.

Onnie: You can find me on Instagram and Facebook. I have a Facebook group, A, uh, free private community at Moms Without Capes. And. Yeah. And on my website, momswithoutcapes.com and soon on TEDx. You can soon find me on YouTube. Actually, I got chosen as Editor's Pick.

Nina: Oh.

Onnie: Which is an exciting, like, distinguished thing where it hasn't even been released yet because they release it so separately from all the other speakers that I spoke with. Oh, well done. Um, and it's basically TedX's way of saying, this is a talk worth paying attention to.

Nina: Oh, it sounds like such an interesting topic. I can't wait to listen to it and to watch it. Yeah, sounds amazing. Yeah.

Onnie: Hang up your cape is what it is. Um, but as for my podcast, so, yes, I did my podcast as Moms Without Capes. Same name. And I did it for about, uh, I think over four years. It was three and a half or four years.

Nina: Great.

Onnie: And I actually stopped recording new episodes just this past December of 2025.

Nina: Oh, okay.

Onnie: So there is a 265 episodes every single week.

Nina: Excellent.

Onnie: Yeah. It just got to a point where I was, okay, I'm just going to take a break. I don't know how long or anything. I cried at my final episode because I, like, love doing it.

Nina: Yeah.

Onnie: But I didn't feel as passionate about it as had been. And I was like, I just need to take a break. I had to listen to what my body was saying. Like, okay, it's okay. I'm not saying goodbye forever, but for right now.

Nina: Yeah, but there's a backlog of episodes for listeners to tune into and get a more. Some more insights from you?

Onnie: Yes, yes, absolutely.

Nina: Okay. Uh, well, look, that's all we have time for today. Thank you so much.

Onnie: Thank you, Nina.

Nina: And thank you, lovely listener, for listening to this episode. I hope this conversation gave you something to think about and maybe a gentle reminder that you don't have to carry it all on your own. If you'd like to connect with Oni or learn more about her work, you'll find all the details in the show notes. Thanks again for your time today, Oni. It has been such a pleasure chatting to you.

Onnie: Thank you, Nina.

Nina: Uh, see you guys next week.

Nina: Thanks for listening to your calm parenting path. I am so glad you're here, and I hope this episode gave you something useful to take into your parenting journey. If you'd like to dive deeper, sign up to my mailing list@mindfulparentinglifestyle.com for more tips and insights. Or book a free chat to learn how we can work together. And don't forget to hit, follow or subscribe so you never miss an episode. I look forward to speaking with you next week. Time on your calm parenting path.

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