Tae Poetically Divine: Poetry, Ancestry, and the Art of Human Connection

Poet, performer, and filmmaker Tae Poetically Divine joins Ana to talk about creating art rooted in spirituality, ancestry, community, and hope.

Tae shares how writing became an outlet for her as a quiet and deeply sensitive child—and how poetry eventually expanded into spoken word, music, filmmaking, youth mentorship, and community arts work.

She also takes us behind the scenes of Ancestors’ Wildest Dreams and its spiritual sequel, Descendants, an award-winning film honoring family lineage, cultural identity, survival, and the stories that connect us.

The conversation explores:

• The meaning behind the name Tae Poetically Divine
• Why poetry is the foundation of all her creative work
• Turning real stories into authentic, unscripted films
• The creation of Ancestors’ Wildest Dreams and Descendants
• Recognition from the Oakland International Film Festival
• Poetry about mental health, community, love, and hope
• Mentoring young artists and helping students recognize their worth
• Tae’s relationship with Rhythmix Cultural Works and Unity Fest

The episode closes with Tae performing her powerful poem, “Descendants,” a reflection on ancestry, history, resilience, peace, and our shared humanity.

Tae Poetically Divine is the emcee of Rhythmix Cultural Works’ 2026 Unity Fest in Alameda, California, celebrating the arts and cultures of Africa and beyond.

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Transcript

Welcome To Tradition Cafe

Ana 0:02

Hey friends, welcome to Tradition Cafe, the spot where the past bumps into the present, and we get to sip our favorite drinks while digging into the stories that make people well people. I'm Anna Xavier, your host, curious, and totally here for the fun of learning about people's lives. In each episode, we'll celebrate heritage, family, and community, whether it's immigrants, the generations that came after them, or chosen families that make life messy, interesting, and unforgettable. So if you're like me, inquisitive, a little nosy, and love a good story, pull up a chair, grab your cup, and thanks for listening. Hi friends, welcome back to Tradition Cafe. Today I am joined by Tay Poetically Divine, a poet, performer, filmmaker, and community voice whose art is intentional, layered, and deeply felt. We'll talk about her artistic journey, her journey as a poet and a filmmaker, and the inspiration behind ancestors and descendants. And later she'll share descendants with us in her own words. She is the MC of the Rhythmics Cultural Works 2026 Unity Fest in Alameda, California, celebrating arts and culture of Africa and beyond. So pull up a chair, grab a drink, and let's talk to Tay Poetically Divine. Hi, Tay. Welcome to Tradition Cafe. Hello, thank you for having me.

The Meaning Behind “Tae Poetically Divine”

Ana 1:30

Good to be here. Thank you for coming. I really appreciate it. I'm so looking forward to this conversation. You are my um first poet in Tradition Catholic. I'm so excited because I'm a bright at tailword. Let's talk about Tay. How did you come into that name?

SPEAKER_00 1:48

So my name is Shantae. It's spelled with an I, so it's unique. Um, and it actually derives from India and means peace. Um, but Tay, um, Tay is just what people have called me growing up. So um my name is Shantae, so just Tay for short, Tay Tay, all kinds of little names, potato cans, like, you know, stuff that my family used to just call me. Yeah, my one of my cousins used to call me potato kins. But anyway, so Tay is just that's just a name that I'm known for just because my name is Shantae. Now, the poetically divine aspect comes from my poetry. Um, it's because, you know, I'm a poet first, and my poetry really stems from like a spiritual standpoint. Um, when I go into writing, when I do anything in the arts, it's spiritual. So I thought it'd be appropriate to name myself Poetically Divine because I feel like the art that I'm creating is not only just kind of off coming from a holy

A Poet First

SPEAKER_00 2:40

place, but a sacred place. So Tay Poetically Divine. That's how I got the name.

Ana 2:43

So do you consider poetry your primary medium for your creative expression?

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Absolutely. I'm a poet first and everything else just kind of falls in line. Um, I'll do a poem, then I'll create like a film, or I can do, you know, any other form of artwork with it. But it's always starts off of a poem because I'm already kind of visionary in my poetry. So it's much easier to just make a film with it because I'm already seeing the vision of it as I'm creating the poem. So okay.

Ana 3:11

So you started with poetry and then did you go spoken word and then film, or did you take a different was where how many times were there?

SPEAKER_00 3:20

So it was it was many. It was many. Um because then we're gonna kind of get into if we want to get into how I even started poetry, then that maybe I can kind of break it down. But just to give you an answer to what you just asked, when I was younger, um, it was just straight poetry. Like I would just write. That was it. Started writing at eight years old, had a lot of feelings inside. So I would always just write. And then it turned into music, actually. I started to like make little songs. Um, and then I would do like little performances for my parents and my family on the weekends. So it turned into that. And then we also, me and my cousins, we do like little videos. So yeah, and then um, just as an adult though, as an adult, definitely the spoken word came later because I was such a quiet kid. Um, so spoken word didn't come to me easily, other outside of my family. Like I wasn't doing things in the community with spoken word or anything like that. I that came much later, like in my 20s. Well, it was an interesting path. Yeah. Yeah. How does the idea come to you? It just depends because I feel like I get inspired or I feel driven to write something. It could have been something that happened throughout the day. It could be it, it really just, it's not I can't say it's one thing. You know what I mean? It's like it's just a feeling that I get. And it's been this way since I was eight years old. I just feel like picking up a pen and writing something down. So um, I just think I I value and cherish the moments. So if it's like I feel like in a moment, it's like I might write about something on the television that kind of made me feel some sort of way, you know what I mean? And in that moment, I'll just jot something down. I have so many books with just random notes and quotes and just what I'm feeling, you know? So my creative process really just comes from I I feel like a spiritual place because it's never like, okay, this is the time I'm gonna sit down and only write. You know what I mean? It's not scripted like that. Um, don't get me wrong, when I do certain like things that I've done in the uh community for like the descendants video and the ancestors video, obviously that had to be structured a little bit differently because I needed to get it out. And we were doing things for like heritage

Turning Poetry Into Film

SPEAKER_00 5:20

month celebrations and things like that. So that kind of had a deadline. But just overall, when I write, I just write. There is no script to it or thinking about, oh, I need to get this deadline out. Um, yeah. So it's just, yeah, it just comes naturally, comes from a spiritual place.

Ana 5:35

Yeah, and I mean when you turn it into like film or anything else, then all of a sudden you have to worry about the other people involved too. Exactly. And so that turns into exactly. And you're you're doing your art, of course, but you're also trying to make it come alive through other people.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Well, here's the thing though, because when I create art, no matter if somebody else is in it or not, it's gonna be organic. So the beauty of that and beauty of all of the films that I've done so far is that it is organic because what I did for the ancestors video, I made sure that, you know, the people who were in that video have the autonomy to just speak. So what I edited out, it was just their own thoughts. It was no adding anything, really not too much, even taking out too much because I kind of told them, oh, well, this is probably a time frame, but you just speak. How are you your ancestors? Wildest dream. As simple as that. You tell me why you are that. I'm not giving you a script to say. And the same with descendants, like I didn't, it wasn't something that we scripted. I just heard their stories and I put it in a video. Yeah. It's their true stories without somebody telling them how to tell it.

Ana 6:42

Yeah, and that and that way you can take two people and their creativity and their art and their oral history matching and then creating a new art together. How do you decide what is going to remain on the page, what is gonna be performed, what is gonna turn into a film? There's so many options for you because you're doing it all.

Creating Ancestors’ Wildest Dreams

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Well, here's the thing, and let me just talk on certain certain films. Ancestors I knew was going to be a film because um I work for the Alameda Unified School District and uh my department, we wanted to put out, which is the Office of Equity, we wanted to put out a film um that highlighted uh Black History Month. And my idea was, you know, we should definitely honor the past and inspire the future. So I was thinking, okay, let's have black staff, um, black people in the community talk about how they are the ancestors' wildest dreams. Um, Brandon Odoms, he is an activist and an artist. He kind of coined that phrase, I am my ancestor's wildest dreams. And I just loved it. I loved the artwork that came with it and the meaning behind it. So we ran with that and we told, you know, people to tell us how they are the ancestors' wildest dreams. So that one I already knew was going to eventually be a film. So we did this. We started off as a Zoom meeting. The first one we ever did was a Zoom meeting. Now, um, Vicky Sedlack from AEF, she was um the executive director. Um, she just retired. Um, at the time, she was the executive director, and she saw that Zoom meeting and she asked me, Hey, how would you feel about actually doing something like this in a studio? So she ended up connecting me with uh Sean, Sean from Castaway Creative Studios out here, and we ended up uh shooting a shooting the video, um, doing it in an actual studio. So that's how that came about. But we made it into something so much bigger because Vicky said, like, came to me and said, Hey, how would you like to do this in a studio? And we did. Um, what's interesting is some of the people that were on the Zoom one weren't in the Ancestors one. Um they were still offered to be in it, but they weren't. And it was nice um that people still did new pieces. They made something their own, something new. So yeah, it was really nice. Um, and the same thing with descendants. We ended up doing it in that same studio um with uh Sean. So big shout out to Sean and students on the set and castaway creative and Vicky Sedlax.

Ana 9:00

Yeah, and and everybody listening or watching, I'm going to put the links so you can watch Descendants and Ancestors. And I'll put it up on the screen and I'll also put it in the show notes if you're just listening. Now, you won an award for Yeah. It was Descendants, right? It was Descendants, yes. Tell me about that. That Lundo Warrior.

The Award-Winning Journey of Descendants

SPEAKER_00 9:24

So let me let me rewind a little bit. We ended up showing the descendants video at Rhythmics and we premiered it. That was the first time it ever got premiered. Um and after that, I ended up sending it in um to the Oakland International Film Festival. I met some wonderful woman there, and she had told me about, you know, applying for the Oakland International Film Festival. She was like, Have you thought about, you know, doing anything like this or sending it off to film festivals? And I was like, no, I didn't even think really to do that. So I did it, and it was so amazing that I actually not only got selected, but I ended up winning an award for it. So um it all came full circle, it was beautiful. I feel like um to win an award from the Oakland International Film Festival is such an honor because Oakland is such a hub of art, of activists, of people who, you know, have made some great changes in the world who are continuing to do that. So um to win that award meant a lot to me. Um and to know that the Lunda Award itself um comes from a place of Central Africa and what it means is you know, those people were great storytellers. So to be connected with that, to be connected with Oakland um is just yeah, like I said, is an honor.

Ana 10:30

That must have been so um soul satisfying to be recognized for that piece that meant so much.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

You know? Absolutely, absolutely. Especially, you know, that came from the heart, and it's like one of those things, you know, if somebody else saw that and and felt not just somebody, but many people saw that and felt it. So it's a beautiful thing because the thing about art, it's all about impact for me. I want to make an impact and a lasting impression on on folks and for people to feel connected and feel connected with humanity and within themselves. So I feel like that video really captured that and paid homage to um to ancestors and descendants.

How Ancestors and Descendants Connect

Ana 11:03

So yeah. Um give us give us a little bit of a blurb about what order people should watch them in and what is happening in the videos.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Yeah. So I would recommend watching Ancestors uh Wilder's Dream First, because that's the first one. That was the first video I we created. Um, and and it pays homage to um black African roots. Um, folks in there from the African diaspora is telling their stories, um, how they are the Ancestors Wilder's Dreams. Definitely want to watch Descendants Afterwards. Um Alameda Post called it a spiritual sequel, which I love that they called it that. Love that. Um, Descendants being a spiritual sequel because it is. It's it's about folks who come from all types of backgrounds, um, all cultures have um unique stories, um, talking about their journeys in America or just their experiences in America and paying homage to their family lineage as well. So I would definitely say watch Ancestors first and then watch the Descendants video.

Ana 12:02

Okay. I love it. I I recognized someone in there who was on the show.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Yeah, I mean as well. It'll be some familiar faces for sure.

Ana 12:10

Yes. Uh the familiar face that I recognized was Owl Snake. If people want to go back and listen to the two-parter Owl Snake episode. Everybody did such a phenomenal job and they were just telling their story. When it's organic like that, when it's just somebody talking, there's no script, you know, to follow. That's all you know. Not all of your work is on ancestry or heritage. What are some of your other themes?

Poetry, Mental Health, and Hope

SPEAKER_00 12:38

So I I like to write a lot about mental health. Um, I have a poem called Triggered that I dedicated to um Men's Mental Health Awareness Month. I've also made poems about um still mental health, um, one called Not Feeling Well, and that's uh was for May, which is now um Mental Health Awareness Month just in general. Uh I write about uh community, you know, I have the island poem. But more than anything, like all of my poems are about hope and giving peace. I like to end almost all of my poems in that manner because I think it's so important for people to continue to have hope, to continue to be peaceful or try to be peaceful in this world and society. So all of my poems are always going to link back to humanity and peace in some sort of way or form.

Ana 13:23

Yeah, I did see um a few of yours in the Alameda Post. Um and one of the ones that you just mentioned triggered that you wrote for Men's Health Awareness Month. Um that one really struck me because I feel like, oh, our poor men. You know, they don't get enough love. Well, you know, the men's health is so uh men's mental health has been so societally buried. And um to read that poem, it was nice. Uh and maybe I'll convince you to read it later, but it is a lovely poem. That one, and I think I also saw Sea of Souls. No. In I'm talking about in the Alameda Post.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Sea of Souls was in the Alameda Post as well. And that's for the island. For June 10th. June 10th. Yeah, and then the island as well. I did that for um that was National Poetry Month. So yeah, there's quite a few, and then obviously there's some that I haven't even put out, right? Yeah. Yeah. But um, but yeah, I mean, those ones, I think the ones that I haven't put out are really um some of the ones that are about love, relationships. Um, and I perform them though. Like I'll do them when I'm held at open mics and stuff, or when I get asked to be a part of um any sort of events, I might do some of those. But um but yeah, the ones in the Alameda Post, the ones you saw are mainly about mental health, heritage, community. I think I do have a loved one in there though, too. I think I have the feels. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Ana 14:51

But I know that um also people can go to your website and see um links there to the ones that we're talking about in the Alameda Post. You can see links to you can see um the films. Yeah. And also some, you have some clips of you doing spoken word uh in various locations. And you also host um events, such as you're doing the Unity Fest. But you do uh spoken word things. Do you do classes or things like

A Poetry Book and Audiobook in the Works

Ana 15:23

that?

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Um, I've done like little workshops at uh the library. That's more recent, but m mainly I do um I host events, I perform at various events. Um yeah, that's where I'm kinda at right now.

unknown 15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Like I said, I'm really trying to get my book out too. So Yeah. So tell me about your book. I gosh, you're like reading my mind. I mean, uh the only thing I can tell you is I have a whole bunch of writings that need to be published. So I just I need to get I need to get the business side of it going. I'm just writing, but it's like, okay, you need to do something with it. And I want to do an audiobook too, because I won't be able to do it. Well, I was just gonna say my voice when I when I do my poetry.

Ana 16:02

Oh, absolutely. I mean, I was like, how can you do that without doing an audiobook?

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Yeah. Absolutely. It's in the works. Well, I'll figure it out.

Mentoring Young Artists

Ana 16:13

Yeah, so you do some um mentoring with other artists or kids in the arts. Do you do that uh just in Alameda, the city of Alameda, California, or have you been able to spread the wealth everywhere?

SPEAKER_00 16:31

So at the Alameda Unified School District, I work, um I work for the, like I said, the Office of Equity, and I also work um at a middle school out here. So a lot of the work that I do with the Office of Equity is about workshops, events, things of that nature. Um, working with um the senior director of equity there, Shamar Edwards. So we do a lot of stuff together as well as with our team, um, who is over at various other sites. Um but when I'm at the middle school, I'm usually running certain programs, mentoring students as far as students, you know, um trying to improve student achievement, whether that's helping them social emotionally through academics, um, things of that nature. Um, I do run clubs though, too. So I run clubs sometimes at the middle school. And one of the clubs um is called the Originators Club, and I have students in there that are focused on art, whether that's drawing, whether that's poetry, whether that's just um just like liking to write, whatever the arts that's for them. Um then I also run Black Student Union, and I also run um something called Lunch Vibes, which is just a spot for kids to be able to come and hang out. So um I do a lot with the youth, um just daily, on a daily basis. So yeah, but but even when whenever I'm working with kids, you know, it's all about making sure that they know their self-worth and that, you know, that I want them to become the best versions of themselves. And it's really about, you know, like I said, really inspiring them to just be true to themselves and and and love on themselves because I'm a firm believer if you love yourself, you have so much more room to love everybody else. So just, you know, just really trying to instill that in them. I wish I had that when

Building Community Through Rhythmix Cultural Works

SPEAKER_00 18:03

I was a kid.

Ana 18:03

You're also connected to, like we were talking about before, Rhythmics Cultural Works, which is a wonderful community art space here in Alameda, California. They do classes, they have art shows. Right now they're showing Art of the African diaspora. It's a satellite exhibition. And you are involved in Unity Fest this year. But you have worked with them before quite a bit, yes?

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Okay, so um, my connection with Rhythmics, um, they were the first one to premiere the Descendants video. Um, huge shout out to Rhythmics. I've also done um performances for them when they had uh Rhythmics in the parks at Woodstock Park. I've also um have connections with them um through uh the bookstore, Books Inc. off of Park Street. Big shout out to Jerry because I did a poetry slam there, um, which actually started with AEF because I was a part of the Arts Change program. So the poetry slam we did at Books Inc. was for the youth. The youth were able to um view some of my poetry and then create their own from it. And then we had a poetry slam at Books Inc. Um, and then from there, some of that artwork that the kids did got put into rhythmics. So we were able to have um an exhibit that showed my art and the kids' art.

Ana 19:20

Yeah, again, you know, Alameda coming together for the arts.

SPEAKER_00 19:23

Yeah.

Ana 19:24

This is such a great town for that. I would be honored to hear a poem of yours. Uh, where can people see you uh other than Unity Fest? Do you have other things coming up that people get to see, or should they go to your website?

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Definitely go to my website, but also I do have um some events coming up for Juneteenth. Um, I'll be in Sassoon at the Marina Waterfront on June 21st. That's Father's Day. So um, yeah. And my dad hopefully will be there that day because they they live out that way. So um hopefully he can show up um for that day as well when I perform. So Juneteenth, the marina and Sassoon. Um, yeah, looking forward to that. And then anything else, I have a bunch of stuff probably coming up. So if you follow me either on Instagram at T A E underscore poetically divine, you'll be able to see all the upcoming uh shows or anything that I have going on.

Ana 20:16

I would love for you to read something that is close to your heart. And I love descendants, but if you want to do that one, that's great. If you want to do five, I will do it.

Family, Lineage, and the Roots of Her Art

SPEAKER_00 20:30

You know what? I think before I do the descendants home, I want to definitely pay homage to my family. Before I even do it, I want to talk a little bit about, you know, how growing up. You know what I mean? Because like all of this would have never transpired if I didn't have the family that I have. Um, I grew up around a lot of love, a lot of people who instilled morals and values in me, who taught me to be assertive, um, who taught me um, you know, to love myself and to love others around me. So huge shout out to my entire family, my parents, my grandma, my sister, my, you know, these nephews, cousins, uncles, and aunts and everybody, because I come from a long lineage of loving people. Um, so huge shout out to them before I do any other poem.

Writing as a Voice for a Quiet Child

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Yeah.

Ana 21:12

I actually do have a question for you then. Yeah. Um have you always been connected or curious about your descendants and wanting to reach back? Has it always been a um drive for you to for creation? For creating?

SPEAKER_00 21:31

As far as like for my ancestors and um, yeah, I mean, yeah, for me, I think just to kind of touch a little bit about childhood, like growing up, like I kind of said earlier, you know, I was a really quiet kid growing up. I didn't talk that much. Um, but I felt a lot of things. I've always been like hypersensitive. I've always been at you know, very empathetic towards people, um, very compassionate kind of soul, and just just not really knowing how to put that into words at eight years old. Like, what does this even mean? How come I seem different from other kids? Other kids think stuff. Funny that I don't think is funny, like it seems like wrong. Like having these strong feelings as a kid, it just kind of puts you in a place where you're like, I'm different. Like you just know you're different. You're you're not fitting into the mold of what an average quote unquote eight, nine-year-old person is thinking about. Like I'm thinking about, oh, how can we help the world? And they're like, I just want to go play with chalk and you know, dance around. And it's like these conversations are not happening with most eight, nine years old, especially in the time when I was growing up. So it always put me in a place where I was like, okay, well, I'm just a different kind of kid. You know what I mean? So writing was my outlet. Writing was something that I was able to do because, you know, I never went to school for poetry. I didn't take classes in poetry. Poetry came to me. You know, I created that for myself because it was an outlet. It was a way for me to express myself when I couldn't talk to the other kids or, you know, even when I wanted to talk to my parents, I'd like put little notes under their door, like little poems. And my mom would be like, Yeah, my mom would be like, Where'd you, where'd you come up with this for? Oh, this is beautiful, you know, like, you know, and I just would do that. So for a long time I couldn't vocally express myself the way I wanted to, but I would write it down. So I think that is a huge spiritual connection, but also from a from like an ancestral connection. You know what I mean? Like something within me makes me feel like I need to not only care about my lineage and and you know, the where I come from, but just whole humanity. So yeah, I think that stems from something much more bigger than me, you know.

Ana 23:29

Do you know if you have any other poets in your ancestry line? I don't know. Yeah.

Tae Performs “Descendants”

SPEAKER_00 23:35

That would be cool to find out. So I should find out, you know. I did the ancestry DNA stuff, but I need to dig deeper. I need to dig deeper and see if there is poets, because I honestly I don't know. Um, so I can go ahead and do descendants now. Yeah. That'd be great. I love it. Thank you. I am the descendant of planted seeds. I am the flower that bloomed on cracked soil, watered by tears and fueled by the light of my ancestors. I am the descendant of human evolution. Although prior to 1865, in America, my ancestors were legally considered property. Three-fifths of a person is what the Constitution compromised to declare me. Oh, the irony, let me remind, I am the direct descendant to the cradle of humankind. I am the descendant of royalty, as well as enslaved people and slave owners, making me the descendants of both poverty and the elite with no benefits to reap. I am the descendant of adversity and people that rebuked injustice and defeat. I am the descendant of war veterans, protesters, and ordinary people that could shake the ground when they would speak. I am the descendant of grandparents and parents that move mountains for me to reach, knowing that someday we would make it to the peak. I am the descendant of endless effort, hope, faith, and belief, which is why I believe we must go where we are planted. I am the descendant of peace. In the end, we're all descendants of Mother Earth. North, South, East, West, the sun rises and the sunsets. All people are connected. America is rooted in colonization, an ancient legislation that contributes to modern disparity. History belongs to all of us for clarity. We should not selectively choose to forget or remember only certain times. Oh say can you see? By the dawn's early light, we've all experienced sunny and cloudy skies, calm and troubled storms, sweet hellos and sad goodbyes, highs and lows, and still we rise, humankind. It is our obligation to nourish ourselves, each other, and the land on which we reside. Let's normalize. I want you to survive. And I'm glad you are alive because when we cherish every life, we fertilize nutrient-rich soil for humanity to flourish and thrive. Thank you.

Art That Moves and Connects Us

Ana 25:45

Thank you. I love that. I love that piece so much. Jeez.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Did you see that? No, I was just in my zone. I was just in my zone. Oh well.

Ana 25:56

Oh my God. Uh I just love that stuff. I mean, obviously, because of the name of my podcast, and I'm really into ancestry and stuff like that. No, I'm serious. I'm like teary-eyed. It's beautiful. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Thank you.

Ana 26:12

Very beautiful. And um, so again, I am going to put all of her stuff in the show notes, and you have to go to her website and hear more of this. I'm gonna go cry. Thank you so much. I appreciate it so much. Not just uh that you came and talked to me, but that you shared your art with us. And I it's an honor. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Thank you for having me. I appreciate you. And um appreciate you, you know, getting this out to the community. And um, I'm hoping that, you know, this does keep people connected and um definitely come out into anything that I'm doing because I'm all about that. So thank you for for allowing me to be on your platform. Thank you so much. I love it. Thank you so much. All right, all right,

Closing and Where to Learn More

SPEAKER_00 26:55

bye.

Ana 26:55

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