Support When It Matters Most - Megan Eighteen & The Propertymark Trust (Podcasthon Special)

This episode of The Viking Chats is a little different.

It’s part of Podcasthon - a global movement bringing podcasts together from across the world to shine a spotlight on charities and the incredible work they do.

And for this special episode, I’m joined by Megan Eighteen, President of ARLA Propertymark and trustee of what might just be the property industry’s best-kept secret: The Propertymark Trust.

If you work in estate agency or lettings in the UK, chances are you’ve heard of Propertymark - the membership body helping raise standards, education and professionalism across the sector.

But what many people don’t know about is the charity quietly working behind the scenes supporting people in our industry when life takes an unexpected turn.

The Propertymark Trust exists to do two simple but powerful things:
support education and provide hardship grants.

On the education side, the Trust helps people access the qualifications they need to build careers in property - offering grants that can cover anything from a quarter of the cost to the full amount. It’s about making sure talent and ambition aren’t held back by financial barriers.

But it’s the hardship work that really shows the heart of the charity.

Because sometimes life throws things at people that no one could possibly plan for.

Through the Trust, support has been given for things like:

▪ Covering funeral costs after sudden bereavement
▪ Supporting families who lose loved ones unexpectedly
▪ Paying wages for people undergoing cancer treatment
▪ Funding specialist equipment for those who lose their sight
▪ Helping people rebuild their lives after domestic violence
▪ Installing accessibility adaptations after serious illness or injury

In short - when someone in the property industry finds themselves facing the hardest moments of their life, the Trust steps in with practical help and human support.

And crucially, it does so quickly.

Because hardship doesn’t wait six weeks for a committee meeting.

During our conversation Megan explains how the Trust works, how applications are handled by a small team of industry volunteers, and why confidentiality and compassion sit at the centre of everything they do.

We also talk about the wider role Propertymark plays in professionalising the sector, Megan’s own journey into property (one of the rare people who actually planned to join the industry!), and why supporting the next generation of agents matters more than ever.

Finally, we touch on the extraordinary fundraising efforts currently happening across the industry — including Sarka Wilde’s recent attempt to summit Aconcagua, the highest mountain in the Americas, in aid of the Trust.

While the climb itself didn’t go to plan and Sarka had to be medically evacuated before the final ascent, she is thankfully safe back in the UK - and the awareness and funds raised for the Trust have already made a huge difference.

This episode is about something bigger than property.

It’s about community.
It’s about compassion.
And it’s about an industry looking after its own.

If you work in property and didn’t know this charity existed - you do now.

And chances are, one day someone in our industry will need it.

🎧 Tune in now to hear the full conversation.

Transcript

Hello everybody and welcome to a special edition of the Viking Chats podcast. Joined today by the fabulous Megan Eighteen. Darling, how are you? I'm good, thanks, how are you? Yeah, good, good. So before we get chatting, today's special podcast is all part of, and I'm going to try and say this without tripping over it because it's not the easiest word to say, Podcastathon. We should have rehearsed that and done it together, been like Podcastathon. Ready in three, one, two, three, podcast of time! - Smacked up. - Which, for those that didn't say good, we nailed that. But for those who don't know what that is, 'cause I didn't until a few months ago, it is basically a global movement that pulls together podcasts from around the world to focus on charity. And it is, I think, a 24, 36 hour window, I think it's 24 hours, but factoring in time differences globally. So I think it spreads out over about 36 hours and it is podcasts from all over the world focusing on charitable acts, organisations, et cetera, et cetera. So, I really wanted to get you guys down to talk about the fabulous Propertymark Trust. - Yes, it feels a bit like our property industry's kind of best kept secret, but we want to change that. - This is it. So I think we'll talk a little bit more a special lady later, Nishaka, and how she's getting on. But before we do that, so for those who don't know, we're listening to this. Megan and I work in the real estate and letting agency world of the UK. So we work, yeah, in England, but we work in real estate or a state agency, depending where you are around the world listening to this how you term it and one of the core organizations within our industry is an organization called Propertymark so you might have some sort of like realtors foundation or organisation in your country and that's kind of what Propertymark is over here it's all about educating raising standards kind of professionalising the industry and everything else and Megan here you are our current ARLA which is Arla is the lettings section of that uh president. I am we almost jinxed it because the guys here did buy me a jumper with El Presidente on it before we actually got the role so there was a an element of nerves and pressure wasn't there to. Yeah I mean for you I mean you know it was a shoe in. Wow well glad we - Largely because we bribed the people who decided, no, no, we didn't, but. (laughing) But no, I think, look, I think, you know, there are very few people in our industry who planned and intended to come into our industry. And you are one of those very rare diamonds that was like, 'cause of your mom, this is what I love, this is what I'm gonna do, this is what I'm gonna build a career in. So you're already a kind of unique entity. You know, I'd say you probably account for like one or 2% of our industry who kind of come into it as part of kind of a mission plan. - Yeah, like an unintended legacy I think of my mums was, you know, we really didn't have much of a choice. It was pretty inevitable. But what I love about it is that I still bump into her old colleagues and they love it because they're like, for them, I'm the girl that used to come in when I was sick from school and play on the photocopier and eat all their biscuits in the office and now they get to see my career grow. So it's really special, it's lovely. I feel very honored. - So let's start by just explaining obviously I've given a really simplistic overview of what property market is. So let's start if you can just tell our audience a little bit more in more detail what property market is and kind of what's involved with your kind of tenure of being a president, what does that mean? - Yeah, I mean, so basically property market the leading membership body for estate and letting agents in this country? So for you to obtain a membership you have to self-regulate, so you have to take a certain level of qualification. So in this country estate and letting agents are completely unregulated and but if you wanted to kind of have the stamp, the sticker, the letters, you have to go through a certain level of qualification and then on top of that you have to continue to provide continued professional development every year to be able to keep those qualifications valid. Yeah, to prove that you're continuing that study in development of knowledge and best practice. Because we all know it's very easy to tell up to an exam, do it, tick the box and then never think about it again and so that stops that. And that's really important and there's two levels where there's a couple of different qualifications but the main levels are level two which is like your very, very entry level like look at the GCSE, you've got your level three which which is like an A level and then your level four, which is about a year and a half of a degree. So three different tiers. And then my role as the president of the letting side is to basically represent all those members that sits in that membership body. - And I'm right in saying your presidential, well, it's actually, it's like a three year kind of job, right? - Yeah. - 'Cause you have your like year in waiting, your present elect, is that right? First year, where you kind of- - Sort of. So you're vice president for a year, then you're president elect for a year, and then you're president for a year. And then actually we have what we call a transitional year. So actually we have the past president year. So it's actually four years? It's essentially four years. So actually the last year is less public focus, but more about being the person that supports the current president. Because it's a big role and you'll have to learn a lot in a very small space of time. And am I right in saying it's a non-salary role? It is, yeah. It's a voluntary role. So, you know, I think what's fascinating is the line of people that have come before and behind you, you know, it's quite a thing to observe, you know, this array of people across lettings and sales and auctions and block management, I think those are the kind of four main ones. Yeah, so we have three presidents there, we have sales, lettings, auctions. Sales, lettings, auctions. And is there still armour as well? - Yeah, that's not to do the best though. - That's not to do with you, okay, cool, cool. But I think what's fascinating is you guys balance this considerable for your commitment, 'cause also it's very involved, right? You do road shows and webinars and you're kind of the number one call to for press calls and all this sort of stuff and you do that unsalaryed alongside a senior role within a successful and growing agency which is Swindon Home Finders. - Yeah. - And then you've also juggling the joys of parenthood. - Yeah. - Yeah, so, you know, what, at which point did you wake up in the morning and go, "Do you know what, parenting and having a really busy job are all well and good, but what I really need is to tie myself into a four year commitment that I don't get paid for." - Do you know what, so I joined the Propertymark crew about three years before, two years before, I think it was that I decided to go down to the presidency route. For me, there was actually a massive correlation between the two because I feel really strongly that this next generation aren't being nurtured into the property industry. And we are losing that talent pool really quickly and that's alarming. So I think for me, I always wanted to represent that next generation. I also felt it was important to represent women and it also felt it was really important to represent being a mom. So for me, I get the great pleasure of being the youngest ever president that we've had who has a small child at home as well. And I love it because Dexter goes into school at one point, got so confused that he told everybody that I was gonna be the Prime Minister. - It's amazing. - Which is very similar. - That's amazing. - Very similar. But actually he's super proud of it. He loves it 'cause he thinks it's like really cool 'cause he keeps calling me like the boss. - But what's lovely is I think you're raising your kid with that same fascination and passion that your mum raised in you. It's really interesting, obviously, as you know, I've got two kids as well. They don't really get what I do. I mean, Arlo's still too young, he's four. So unless it's like Mario or kicking a football around, he's not really interested. But, you know, Elvi's getting to eight now and she kind of knows I do something to do with homes. Like, you know, we look after some property and people live in them and like, but that's kind of the extent of it. - Yeah. - At the moment. - So. - So I really talked to Dex about what I do and it's really funny because he has zero inclination to carry on the family business. - Oh really? - I should say that. - Oh really? (laughs) There was me like, "You're building the next generation." - I really want to, I'm trying really hard, like he does know the difference between a freehold and a leasehold and he did try and get me to put solar panels on the house. So I feel there's still hope, but no, at the moment he wants to run a dinosaur park. So you know, I'm all for that, ambition. - Feel us to him. - Yeah, absolutely. We did have a conversation about marketing, and perhaps we started with vegetarian dinosaurs 'cause it's less risk. We've had a whole list of-- - I mean, listen, bring back dinosaurs. What could possibly go wrong? I don't know, you know. - I'm really like - Fight, film, whatever. - You'd think they'd have done a movie about it, but you know, I am all for it, you know. - Yeah, I am too. So I'm hoping maybe we could sell some properties on the site, you know, overlooking some dinosaurs perhaps. - Nice. - So I thought we could tie it in, I don't think all hope is lost. - Nice, nice. So now we've kind of given people but being more of an understanding of what property market is, let's now start talking about the main topic of today, which is the property market trust. Now, you said something earlier, which is so valid, which is it is kind of our industry's best kept secret, because I like to think of myself as pretty well informed with generally kind of what's going on in the industry, but up until, I don't know, three, four years ago, I don't think I knew the Propertymark Trust existed. And if I did, I don't think I really knew what it did. I kind of probably would have put it in a similar basket to like TDS, have their charitable trust. But that's more about funding for kind of business innovation or like social development of better understanding housing challenges and whatever. Whereas that's not really what Property Mark Trust is about. Is it? - No. - Tell us, I'm gonna hand over to you now. - Okay. - Give us an overarch of what the property market trust is and then expand a little bit more on kind of what that looks like. - So we actually used to be called the Arbentrust, which is why a lot of people don't know who we are, which is actually showing that what we've been trying to do to elevate the charities working because we did a rebrand of it about three years ago maybe. - About the time I became aware of it. - And with that we brought in new trustees like myself and some other people within the industry as well. We've got an amazing lineup of trustees at the trust, so we're really lucky. But the trust basically has two pillars. So we cover education and we cover hardship. So education, we believe that as our charity of property mark that education is absolutely vital, but money shouldn't stop people from being able to further their career. So we actually run an initiative called, well, the class of, which this year is the class of 2026. We run four intakes a year, where we will basically pay various different grants from 25 all the way up to 100% depending on people's needs to help further their career by doing their qualifications. And I tell you, we hear from all different types of people, all shapes and sizes. There is no hard fast rule about how that works. But what it does do is brings young people through often qualifications. I met a lovely girl who actually was local to me and she lived on the same road as me. - Mad. - And she came through, she was fantastic. And I said to her afterwards, do you mind if I put your name out there to some people I know? And I'm really, really chuffed because she's actually now doing the class of 2026 and she's now got a job as a trainee sales negotiator all in the space of a month. And so it shows the power of what we can do with that. So that's one thing, but the one that we're most known for is our hardship grants. Now the hardship grants are, There's again no hard and fast rule about what considers hardship comes in every city in size, right? So for example, we've paid for people's funeral costs because people have died unexpectedly. We have a lovely ambassador called Hailey. She's really great about sharing her story. Hailey was the one who spoke at Agents' Skipping. She spoke. So we played her video on the tour for a while. We played it at Prop X. Oh, Prop X. That's where I would have... Oh, she did speak at Prop X. You're right. So Hayley has a really, really sad story that her sister died really suddenly, a lady in her 30, small children and no one was, no one expects to die suddenly in their 30s. They could, so we covered the cost of her funeral for the funeral to be on the Friday and then the Sunday hit and her dad passed us away. Yeah, I remember, I remember, yeah, I mean, I didn't remember it being that close but I remember, yeah, it was, you know, the space, I think it was something like three weeks they lost the daughter and the dad or the sister and the dad. So those poor children lost their mum and their granddad in a really short space of time. So we paid for the first funeral, we get the phone call to say, "Dad's now died, which is just awful." So we again, we were straight on the case and we covered the funeral as well for dad so that they can focus on what was truly important in that time, which was supporting the family, supporting the kids and giving, and Haley always says, "It was the difference between giving her a send-off or giving the send-off that she deserved and that was really special. One thing we pay a huge amount of hardships at Grants One Out is cancer. When people are sick, employers more often than not will support as best they can. We also know that cancer is not a short fix. No, no, and businesses, you know, we work in an industry where profit margins actually are much smaller than probably public perception. I think the general public perception I think is that estate agents by and large make really good money and the businesses also are like some sort of cash cow whereas I think you and I know quite different the vast majority of people in agency work and a very moderate salary in keeping with others and the typical profit margin in most businesses is around 15, 16, 17%. So, you know, no matter what a business is, intending what they'd like to do for their team, a lot of businesses, there's only so far they can. And most people we speak with have had some sort of support from their employer, but the support can only go so far. So we've paid people's wages for three, four months whilst they've had cancer treatments. So again, they can focus on getting better, not being worried about about how you're going to pay your bills. We recently had a chap that was registered blind in his 40s unexpectedly, and we paid for specialist like AI glasses and special iPads so that he could continue to live a normal life. We've paid out for ramps and like little handles. - Accessibility issues. - Accessibility, that's a word, accessibility things. When people have had strokes and then suddenly their homes don't fit for them, we've helped people set up after domestic violence to leave their home, we have literally paid out for pretty much everything. Well, he said hardship is different to everybody and means different things to people in different life circumstances. Yeah, absolutely. It's nice to know that you guys don't have this kind of rigid framework of like, to qualify, it must be X, Y and Z and it must be filed by this and processed by that. Absolutely. And you know what? Because we joke and say that we've got a group of us that look after the applications we call ourselves the care bears. And we always-- - That's cute and also slightly, yeah, but yeah. - But basically, if there is a, so we have a remit of what we are allowed to give out grants for, which is quite broad, but there's a couple of things that obviously we can't, you know, we can't go and fund you to go to America for a specialist treatment for argument's sake, you know. - Ugh, I was gonna go to Walt Disney for a special treatment in fabulousness. Can I, I can't find one? - A little bit of a bit of illusion, but the point is, is that we were always with those applications still reach out and see if there's anything we can do, even if it's the travel to the airport, the hotel stay the night before, the cost of your fuel, whatever that looks like, we will try and do something, even if we can't help with the whole picture. And the nice thing is it doesn't just cover property mark members, it covers their family, it covers their colleagues. So for example, in this office, you are a proud Arla member, is that right? - And then I, yeah, the two of us, none of the rest of the team. - So all the team are covered under your membership. And so, and all your family is, and obviously people who are employed by property market also include, so the room is massive. So basically, as long as you work in an ARLA or at NAEA building, you're sorted, you're covered. - Yeah, you've got, yeah, you've got. - You can have access to this. So yeah, that's the kind of vibe of the kind of hardship we get out. And one thing that we do always say to people is, As you can appreciate, those grants are expensive, so we pay out a huge amount of money per grant. I think it works out something like five grand roughly per person. So we're not skimpy with our costs. And recently we helped a lady, in fact it was a really big case. She said to us that she'd applied for other charities and they took so long to come back and we were like, "Tch." - That's the thing, right? It's got a lot of these things are, you said, you know, a sudden death, a sudden loss of sight, a sudden diagnosis, you know, great that there are other charities out there, but on the hanging on some hook that you may or may not get help for weeks or even months on end. Yeah. I mean, that almost adds to the anxiety, right? It's kind of, you kind of really need to know as soon as possible whether the help's there or not. So you can just, yeah, no, it's, and that's the reality is, is that hardship comes in all shapes and sizes, you don't know when it's going to hit you. And so we like to think that we're there with a big hug. And one thing that is nice about the trust is the people that you see representing the trust are the people you speak to on the phone. They are the people that are looking after your files. They are the people that are supporting you the whole way through the process. So there's no call centre, there's no, you know, nothing like that. Can I put you on the spot and we shout out who these people are? Yes, well our trustee is. Yes. myself. Yeah. We have Harry Truman. We have Lauren Scott Simpson. She's the chair. We have David Mitz. We have Mike Day. We have Taj Gill. He's recently joined us to help us. We've got John Oakley and that is it. And we have some new trustees joining us very shortly. We gave out the calls this week so we can't quite share just yet who they are. So they will probably join by the time this goes out so what we will do is we will add these new fabulous people into the comments when we share the podcast. Yeah they're lovely, a real host of different people so we've got a couple joining us that we agreed this week but until they've signed all their paperwork because obviously as you can imagine we have a huge amount of confidentiality paperwork that they have to sign to make sure so that is one thing that I want to stress is that in this industry we all feel like we know each other and we do a lot of us it can feel like you don't want to ask for help because you don't want people to know, they don't know. Yeah, with hardship it's incredibly personal. I mean, Hayley was very brave sharing her story, not what everyone would want to do. A, they don't want to kind of regurgitate some something ghastly they've been through, but a lot of people do really struggle with sharing publicly that they needed help. Absolutely, and we would never capitalise on that. You know, I think if some people realised half of what we've done they would be really really surprised and some of the people that we've supported but unless they're willing or wanting to be a part of that then we would never force that. We'll only talk generically about cases we would never talk very detailed about it unless that person obviously has shared their story. So where does this money come from? Where is the money coming from that funds all this amazing work that you guys do? So we get a small amount from Propertymark from the courses that people book so we get a contribution from them which is super grateful so if you are booking courses know that you're also contributing to a good course. We also get lots of donations on our stands at conferences. We have done things like fundraisers so we did a conference. The big fundraiser for us at the moment is what we call dormant funds which is essentially abandoned. Abandoned tenancy deposits. Yeah abandoned money, abandoned client money. Which is probably predominantly. Tenant money. Tenant money and deposit. So we, I think with some like six years, we have to hold that money and or the agent does and then after that they're able to donate it to charity only. They can't give it away to buy a new pair of shoes. But the big stinger on that and why a lot of people don't donate it to charity is that if somebody then comes back, so you know, Mr Smith comes back for his 200 quid, you've given it away, you still got to give it back. So we will actually indemnify and pay it back to you within a two year window. So basically that's seven years you would have held that money eight years by the time it's come through most deposits. I mean that's gotta be rare right? We've never had one. No I was gonna say like if they've you know because agents aren't quick to be like oh they don't want it I mean you know we've had a few over the years and do a lot of chasing. Given the sensitivity around deposits we do a lot of chasing it is slightly bemusing when it happens. It's rare as well and often you know we all reach out endlessly when it comes to the deposit due to education and obviously we will continue to chase that. But from an agent's perspective, that money sitting in that account is a real nightmare when it comes to your accounting. So it's actually quite helpful for that as well. But the point is, is that should that situation come up, you can feel confident that you don't have to pay that money back out of your business, we will give it back. - So I think that's a really interesting thing. If you're a property market estate or letting agent, and based on what we've talked about, let's focus on our letting agents. You know, it does happen once in a blue moon that you have that deposit. What is your strategy for that? Well, if you don't have one, you do now. You know, you can put that money somewhere where you know it's being used in the most urgent of cases. It fulfills a legal obligation that you have. And like you said, there's that extra little indemnity, but no one's coming off after six years. If you've got money sat in there, In fact, if you're listening to this today and you are a letting agent, why don't you make it a mission within the next week? You sit down with whoever runs your accounts if it's not you yourself. Do a full audit and identify if you do have any money like that that is sat in your account currently and maybe start putting some processes in place where you're mandating that that goes over to the property market trust. Now, obviously, last thing for us to talk about we kind of wrap up is it's not just about those bits and pieces there are some people out there who go out and directly fundraise for you guys and there is one super human lady out there right now doing something really rather epic our lovely Sarka Wilde who is now out I forget which country is I can remember the name of the mountain what concagua is that how you say it yeah I have stand on stage and I frequently just say she's climbing a really big mountain. Yeah so I'm used to saying like Icelandic mountain names so like I can go here and it's like easy peasy but she's up there so she is currently doing a climatization yes hikes at the moment so she's not quite a base camp she's flown out they did a day down and they went up to kind of like the halfway base mark where their upper altitude getting used to to that altitude. I think she did a 16k trek yesterday at about 4000 meters. It looks like 4200 or something like that. So at that and then in a couple of days time they move up to base camp which is going to be a whole another ball game and then they start the hike. Now that I was blown away when she mentioned when we had her in because we're really proud to be one of her major sponsors on the hike. But I was astonished about just how challenging it is because you're always sometimes with a lot of this charity stuff and I say that fully aware that I have done lots of charitable things where it's like there's not really too much question whether you'll actually just get it done. No one's dying dressed as a Spice Girl, Kristjan. Ha ha ha! I think that will go over so many people's heads. So yeah so anyway, we're about to shuck out. So yeah the success rate - Right, on this mountain climb is like 30 to 40%. - Yeah. - It's quite astonishing. - I have like, I should say, though, like it takes a certain breed of person to go on a stair master at the gym, right? We've all tried it, right? They're hard. Sharpe does it with a backpack full of weights. - Yeah. - I mean-- - I've also seen her posting like her climatization at Hillwalks, like going out in a T-shirt in the UK. And I say that as someone who does wander around in a T-shirt in December and January, but that's because I'm slightly odd under Viking. So it's absolutely fine. Plus I have plenty of built-in insulation. So it's I'm absolutely fine. But yeah, seeing her, I mean, that woman has trained. - Yeah. - So, and you know, the results she's getting, even though she's not even properly started the hike yet are phenomenal. So, Sarka originally set out with the ambition of raising 10,000 pounds. - Yeah. - Propertymark Trust. And I'll be honest, we hit October, and she was about 6,000 pounds, and I was going, that's amazing. - Yeah. - Don't put yourself under pressure. - Yeah. - Like we are so grateful, so chuffed that you've done this for us, because it's not just about the money, it's about the awareness that she's spreading for us as well, which is huge. And Sarka being Sarka was like, no, I can't. - Yeah, shut up. - Yeah. - I've set the target at 10, I'm gonna do 10. - And she's like homing on 25,000 pounds now, which is just unreal. Like if we think of that from a hardship perspective, that's what like five people. - That's five people's lives that are gonna be transformed in the darkest, scariest moments. - Life changing amount of money. And we are so, so grateful for that. It is big, you know, it's not just us going for a trip up Snowdon, which is tough. This is next level stuff. You know, this is, you know, having to make sure she's taking the right kind of medication for altitude, she's having to make sure she's acclimatising herself. She's having to use a sheewee. - Following, I love the fact you added a lads like that. That's the biggest conment. - I'm telling you, is that when, as a woman, you have to go to the loo on a ski holiday, that's hard enough, getting through the layers, let alone having to do that. - I have a funny story about my wife at the ski resort, and we will say that, not for the podcast story, 'cause I don't think she'd like me putting that on. - It's not one for the kids. - Honor! But the point is, it sounds ridiculous, but it's all these things that she's had to kind of get her head around as well. And on top of that, you know, the food up, as you get higher, like at the moment, she's eating pretty good, but like as you go up higher and higher, like you're essentially, I'm not joking when I say, she's essentially on like glorified pot noodles. Like it's like astronaut food, you know, it's not, it's not real food. And so we've been looking after her social media as well to try and make sure that we're keeping everyone up to date. Basecamp, I've got it all ready, 14,500 corgis stacked on top of each other. So for those who don't know, because this is, like I said, a slightly different episode, Megan is, you know, deputy queen of corgis. I'm obsessed with corgis. I have three. Yeah. But you even built an industry mantra around being more corgis. I think, if anything, we've elevated the corgis status in the property world. But yeah, 14,500 corgis stacked on top of each other- - That's a whole lot of corgis. - That is a lot of grooming- - That's a whole lot of corgis. That's a lot of grooming. - That's a whole lot of and whether you're part of the UK industry, whether you're part of a real estate industry somewhere else and you think, oh my God, what a cool thing. Or you're just like, how great is it that there are organizations out there that look after people? We'll be sharing Sharka's fundraising link and literally, even if it's five pounds, chip it in. 'Cause if we get a thousand of you to chip in five pounds, that's another person's life changed in their darkest times. And obviously we will be updating how Sarka has got on. I am absolutely adamant that it's not gonna be long and we're gonna get past that 25K mark. - Oh no, I think we're about, I think this put about 2,000 pounds off. - Yeah, I think we're closer 'cause when I look the other day, we were on like 23 and a smudge. So about a grand and a half short at 25. And I think every target we hit, we just keep pushing for the next one. So I think it's gonna be long that we can start talking about 30. Let's see what that's got to, like I said, when we share this. But yeah, I think what, it is an amazing thing. I mean, it's surprising to me that we can have things like this that do kind of go unknown and unaware of within the industry. And it's great to now see this being put more front and center, that people have got that reassurance that, yeah, if they find themselves in the most awkward and difficult times, there is something they can turn to if they don't have someone. And yeah, keep doing what you're doing guys, it's awesome sauce. - Thank you and thank you for taking the time to express some awareness for us as well and for your contributions, your generous contributions towards Sarka's Fundraiser because as I said, it changes lives so, and I don't mean that in any cheesy or my way. - No, literally. So we give things a lot of big jazzy names nowadays and we talk about stuff, but this is genuinely a life-changing organisation with the objective of just trying to make people's lives that little bit easier when it feels impossible. - Absolutely. - So you guys are awesome. - Thank you. - Guys, thanks for listening. I say if you want to find out more about the Propertymark Trust, Google it, you'll find information. We'll be sharing Sarka's fundraising links. if you want to contribute, drop in there. Yeah, thanks for listening. [BLANK_AUDIO]