Infertility, Diet & IVF Optimization with Dr. Kiltz of CNY Fertility | Holistic Approaches to Fertility Treatment

Can changing your diet really improve your chances of getting pregnant—especially during IVF?
In this transformative episode of the Mindful Warrior Alliance Podcast, host Kerri Bicskei sits down with Dr. Robert Kiltz, founder of CNY Fertility, to explore how holistic fertility protocols, mindset, and nutrition can dramatically impact your reproductive journey.

From the keto carnivore diet to supplement strategies and the power of mindfulness and mental health, Dr. Kiltz breaks down what truly supports IVF success—especially for those facing infertility inside the military system.

💡 We talk:

• Why food is medicine when it comes to fertility
• How your mindset and emotional health affect outcomes
• The unique pressures military families face when seeking treatment
• What you can do today to start optimizing your body for conception

This episode is packed with actionable tools and radical hope for anyone navigating infertility—whether you’re at your first consult or your fourth IVF cycle.

🥩 Ready to rethink your fertility journey—starting with your plate?
Share this episode with your spouse, your doctor, or someone else in your unit who’s walking this difficult path.

🎧 Press play now to discover how small daily shifts in your mindset, meals, and self-care could support a massive transformation in your fertility outcomes.

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Transcript

 Whether you're navigating deployment, fertility treatments, or just trying to stay grounded, you're in the right place.

  I am so pumped to be joined today by Dr. Robert Kilts. He is the, , founder of C N Y Fertility. He is an amazing human who does a lot of advocacy, , and education within the fertility space.

So I'm so excited for our conversation. Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Kilts. Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm really excited to be here to share thoughts and ideas of everything we can do to improve all of our lives. Love it. , I'm excited.  I always like to ask how you got ,  into this space.

Was that something that you knew you wanted to do from an early age, or how did you really get into the field? Well, uh, let's see. At age 19, I broke my leg and I met a doctor that inspired me to become doctor. I was a artist Potter. I thought I wanted to go into business. I had no real idea what I wanted do at that age yet.

I was gonna junior college, uh, Los Angeles City College, grew up in LA and uh, I got inspired by the doctor that cared for me, a family practice, long hair, kind like a hippie doctor. And I thought, well, that interesting. And that's what kind of got me into medicine. I thought I wanted to go into family practice.

I, uh, went to uc, Davis, uh, in, uh, Northern California. And I really loved it, inspired by it. And I found myself really loving OB gyn. And so that was the chosen field. Mm-hmm. And um, after I finished my residency in Colorado, the University of Health Science Center in Denver, I practiced at Kaiser in, uh, Roseville, California by Sacramento.

And I met a doc, uh, Kurt Ster, who did a lot of fertility stuff and I became his secondhand band. And, uh, I really enjoyed the fertility stuff we were doing. I UIs and surgeries and things like that. And then I got a call one day and said, do you wanna do a fellowship at r e i? And I'm like, wow. I wasn't thinking I wanted to do that, but I took a fellowship at Harbor U C L A, uh, with Oscar Ksky, and I finished my fellowship in 93.

And then I actually practiced in Berkeley for a couple years and with, um, Richard Kowski at Alta Debate's, I b F center, which was really a lot of fun and was really great. But I didn't love living in Northern California. So I ended up coming to, uh, upstate New York, uh, Syracuse area. And I wasn't loving pla practicing just fertility at that time.

So I decided to do everything, uh, O B G Y N and uh, fertility. And so in 1997 in Syracuse, I started C N Y fertility and I did B G Y N infertility. And over time I just kind of. Left ob and left g y n, and now I focus on fertility and IVF and DUIs and surgeries and immunology and nutrition and mindfulness and sort of, uh, become an integrative, uh, uh, fertility center, which, uh, that's kind of the how I got here.

And, um, I'm inspired every day by listening and learning to so many people like yourself and others that, you know, are suffering from this journey and, and, and need some guidance. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's an interesting, an interesting journey. What was it about that doctor that inspired you so much?

What was it? Was it something that he said to you or was it, he seemed like a happy, cool guy. It's just kind of happy, cool guy. Yeah. And know I was here, broken leg with a full, full, uh, thigh, , leg cast. And, um, it gave me some time the, the broke, the broken leg. I gave time to contemplate where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do.

Mm-hmm. And I was a potter and painter at the time and jewelry and, you know, I just kinda lived in eclectic life a little bit. I was, I and I, I just wasn't sure where I wanted to go. And then, and then it was like, well, I wonder what it takes to be a doctor. And then I read about it and I'm like, that's not gonna work.

Because I wasn't very, I wasn't, um, academically inclined. Uh, and I, I wasn't great in school. Um, I was good in math and I, and, and, um, and then kind of was like, well, okay, maybe I'll do this. And here I am. You know, I, I did something I was afraid to do. And I think that's kind of what my life leads with fear.

And usually if I'm afraid of something, it means I gotta do it. I love that. I couldn't agree more. I mean, when I. You know, started, ready, set, mindful my business, I am a therapist who works with athletes and use a lot of mindfulness techniques. And, uh, I'm definitely all about leaning into fear and, you know, don't need to always listen to our feelings.

Sometimes we need to take action first. Otherwise our, you know, our emotional brain will talk us out of a lot of, a lot of really cool stuff that could, you know, could, could pan out well for us. But you don't know unless you jump. Right. So it sounds like you, you took a leap, which was our pre out pre program, our program.

Right. I think that's, yeah, because we're programmed right. We the program to believe or disbelief. Mm-hmm. And, and, um, I, I grew up in la kicked outta school in a gang, couldn't read. My father was in jail for a short time. It was good for him. He was an amazing man and I learned from hardship. Yeah. And I think that's the part that I think we have to imagine all the hardships that we're experiencing are actually.

Just the training grounds of life, they're actually working in our favor. And if we could get there faster to realize that, uh, it is the better. And so I, I, there are many people along the journey that continue, continue to inspire me to do something different or learn something new. And, and, uh, despite our natural anxiety and fear to everything that, that we're still willing to reach out to someone that we don't know and may be able to give us some guidance and help.

Uh, because the more we ask for help, the more God's willing to deliver that help. Yeah. I love that. And it's, yeah, it's all about perspective, right? , you can take in , your experience and , there's a couple different ways to look at it, but you choose to see it as,  what is this experience trying to teach me?

What can I, what can I take from this? Which is, Just really cool. I love that. , so I want to get into, you started,  C n Y, , and talk about this idea of making fertility treatment affordable, where that kind of came from, right? Because I can definitely speak to, and you spoke to a little bit earlier, my, experience, I've talked about this on a couple podcasts  Austin and,  my struggle with infertility for the last, , four years.

And then, , haven't talked a ton about c n Y, but,  Austin, I did use c n Y fertility to get pregnant on our,  first round, , we had nine,  embryos and. Eight of them died and one of them made it, and that was the one that got us pregnant, which is amazing. , but prior to that, we were doing so much research of fertility clinics and  it's so expensive, right?

, it's absolutely wild how expensive it is. , and it can really break a lot of families. And so I'm curious what kind of inspired you to create this affordable model for, for C N Y and Yeah. Ki kind of how that came to be because it's really one of a kind, , it's amazing. There's not a lot of clinics that are making, , I V F treatment affordable.

Right? Well, I, I kind of tripped over it in a sense. I went into medicine to help people. I never had aspirations to make a lot of money. I just wanted to have a, uh, do something that I love to do. Uh, my sister Maryanne had diabetes since stage four, and I saw the suffering she went through and she died in 52 diabetes.

Mm-hmm. And, um, So I, I, I, I just wanted to practice and do something I love to do, but I found medicine very struggling and hard because it seemed to be focused on the bottom line. And no, no disrespect to anyone who does that. And, and I think that just, there's one way to go. But there's, when I was, when I moved to upstate New York and I took a job in OB G Y N and started an I V F center, um, I then lost that job.

And for various reasons, I found myself at age 41 on my own trying to figure out, do I wanna work for someone or do I wanna start my own practice? So I wound up starting my own practice and I get obgyn and I started an I V F center here in Syracuse and the first I V F Center that was successful in, in central New York.

And, and, um, I got paid about $2,000 to deliver a baby. I was trying to figure out, well, what do I do? How much do I charge five D f? So I came up with $2,000, nine months of care, delivering a baby at two in the morning, whatever it is, and I figured, can I v f cost more than that? Um, I didn't think so. So I started at $2,000 for our self pay, , clients and, and from there, you know, right now we're about $4,000 for a self-pay, uh, I v F cycle.

They're a few little add-ons, but they're not significant much more than that. And so I've, I've always focused on that and, you know, I'd see the suffering that goes around with healthcare and in fertility in general and general. You know, we've, we've had a successful practice in doing that, but it wasn't my intention to create C M I fertility around the country.

I just wanted to practice a little practice in upstate New York and be able to go to work and help people up suffering and do the things that I love to do, which I still love to do all of this stuff. And, uh, you know, it's, it's, running a business is not easy. It's hard, it's challenging. You know, we've grown to almost 500 staff members over the years and it was never a vision.

It was just, it, it organically grew. Right. We're in Syracuse and then someone asked if I'd, I'd help them in Albany, and then someone asked me to help in Buffalo, and then somebody asked me if I'd help in Colorado Springs. And, and the same thing in, in Sarasota. So it's organic from either our clients or other physicians that have an equal interest in helping people build families and make it more accessible and affordable and integrating the same thing.

So I think it's just my nature. I love to help people. Yeah. And I would give it all away if I could. And, and if we could, you know, we've gotta find ways to continue to make it affordable and helping people that can't afford and are struggling. Because there's nothing more valuable in life than building your family.

I couldn't agree more. And I mean, I think that's, the organic path is kind of a testament to, I knew I was gonna like you so much from just watching your videos and following you on, on social, but just speaking to you now, I mean your energy really comes across how much you, you really , authentically care, , about what you do.

And it de it definitely comes across. And I think with growing a business and expanding a business, um, when it does happen organically that way, it's just the universe or God, right. Showing you that you're, you are on the right path, right? And it's just, it's really cool the way that it's, that it's kind of transpired.

, I would love to hear your thoughts on how you're able, how c n y is able to have this amazing, successful model and how are other people not catching on?  What does the future of making I V F, , treatments affordable?  What, what needs to happen? , 'cause, because it has a lot of, it is a lot of suffering and a lot of, , financial hardship.

And we'll kind of get into infertility rates in general a little bit later. But . Do you have any ideas on, on what we can do to  make this, make this model more grassroots community? , and, and it's gotta be grassroots, community grown. Mm-hmm. , that's the biggest thing. I mean, there's, the healthcare is getting out, out of control cost-wise, right?

Um, the cost of healthcare is going up, of people are getting sicker and sicker of fertility being experienced by younger and younger. It's, it, it touches everyone. Doesn't matter your socioeconomic status, it doesn't matter. And the way to do it is it's gotta be crowdfunded or community funded, or people like myself that are committed, like, we wanna help more people.

Maybe there's a, there's some investment arm that we can do to help kind of create this. And if I can get people that are infertile and who can afford to put in more, maybe we could do something like that. I don't know where it works right now. Uh, we're opening up in Sarasota. It's been a large investment.

I do all the, in, i, I, all my money goes into what I do. Mm-hmm. , I borrow some money from a, a bank, but the majority is, uh, I take whatever I have and I put it there. So I'd love to put a place in Texas and California and other places around the country, uh, Michigan. And again, every, every place should have more affordable, but I, I think it's how we can gain, uh, the, the community to donate eggs, to donate sperm, to donate embryos and even be a gestational carrier.

And then how do we create a sense where all this medication's probably sitting there being thrown away. Right. Um, and, and make that more affordable and accessible. And then how do we help lower the cost of medications? And at c n Y, we've actually been able to do that because we work with our pharmacy partners.

The, the, the. The pharmaceutical companies that manufacture them, and some of the pharmacies that are willing to lower the cost in order to make it more accessible to more people. We should be doing probably four times the number of I V F cycles in America. But it can't happen because it's so costly. But I think like anything else, as, as, as more and more innovative people are coming onto the stage, they're looking at ways to help make this happen.

And our, my goal at C M I fertility is to open it up to more and more people, more centers, uh, more access at the same time, helping people with ideas that maybe they could get pregnant naturally. Yeah, maybe they don't need us. Right. And that's a lot of the part of the integration of eastern, western medicine, nutrition, meditation, prayer, uh, many of the things that we could bring to the table, right.

Absolutely. Yeah. Well said. And I wanna get into those holistic integrations as well. 'cause you're speaking my language. You just said like three of my favorite words there. Um, but I wanna get into what your thoughts are on why  you think that the infertility rates are higher than ever right now?

And that, that couples are younger and younger?  What is happening? I have my ideas for sure, but I, I would love to hear , what you think is, is contributing to that. Whether that's our soil and food and, , radiation, , our cell phones. What do you think, , contributes to that?

What we put in our mind and mouth. Mm-hmm. What we put in our mind and in our mouths. And that what we marinate are beautiful, amazing bodies. So the world's always been stressful. Always Life is stressful. It's never easy. And, and those things in life that the most valuable are the hardest. My, my theory is simple.

We're eating the incorrect diet for a human being, and it's really, really, really hard to believe. I just spoke with a 36 year young woman who suddenly is ovarian failure, and the question is why? And the answer usually to most things in medicine is, I don't know. Or it's idiopathic or it's multifactorial, or you're unlucky, it's your genetics.

But everything that I've been beating, studying, and personally practicing, I believe we're eating too high of a plant-based diet, too lean of meat, and we're eating not enough animal fat and we're eating too frequently. That's it. Yeah. Amen. Fat and, and almond milk, oat milk, coconut milk, and cashew milk is not milk.

It's a toxic concoction of deadly things that I think we need to look more deeply into. The smoothies, the shakes, and the craziness that we're eating. My opinion, this is a little harsh and hard, is a plant-based lean meat diet is deadly. And, and again, well, why? Well, my daughter would die to a banana avocado.

Peanuts are highly antigenic. People are dropping dead peanuts all day long, but they don't know it. The leading anaphylactic reactions are for seeds of nuts. That means someone eats something and they suddenly can't breathe and they die unless you have an EpiPen or Benadryl or steroids. So these ideas are radical because the standard story to a healthy eating is a plant-based lean bead, no red meat, three to six meals a day.

Yeah. And so it's hard to believe my story. But I personally at age 55 went carnivore. Mm-hmm. And arthritis, psoriasis, migraines, kidney stones went away. If you're keto, it's better, and if you're eating more fat and less frequently, it's helpful. But these ideas are radical because we've been brainwashed thousands of years, and mostly in the modern world that we're eating fake meat.

Hmm. Does that make any sense? Yeah. No,  not really. I mean, it does in the, in the sense of, there's been a long history of people latching onto,  trends. And I think that it's, right now, and for the last few years in particular, it's been pretty trendy to do, , the almond milk and coconut milk and all the, the plant, plant-based this, 

 sugar free or low fat ,  that's the hook that a lot of, uh, advertisers and companies lure you in by   and people  don't think deeper in that next layer of choosing to look on the back of the, the box or the back of the label or whatever that is. And truly, if you do some digging, it's,  pretty concerning what you find in a lot of things.

How many preservatives, how many chemicals.  Austin and I  every time we go back to Vermont,  we do a little,  soft education with his parents. 'cause they're super old school and  his mom especially is sugar. She does sugar feed for sure.

And so we're like, Hey, let's look on the back of this,  jello cup or whatever,  like, what do you think is in here? So it's soft education, but yeah, it's, it's, it's a problem, right? The, the hooks, the, the grabs that a lot of, , companies use. , mostly marketing, ? Sell stuff, 

and the same people that control the marketing, control, the, the, the slaves, the prisons, the masses for thousands of years, the pope, the priests, the president, the dictators. And, and again, the message is easily paid. And it's hard one to realize that in our ancient, ancient past we were hunters, and then we become herdsmen.

Then the,  grab was, hey, it's easy to live in little village and city will protect you and feed you plants. Then the plants, remember, plants are all sugar. Mm-hmm. All plants break down to sugar. When a healthy person dies of cancer or heart disease, it's because of a plant-based dying, because all plants break down to sugar.

Hmm. It's a simple thing. Yeah. And most people don't know that what happens to protein when you eat it, it breaks down to amino acids. Hmm. Interesting. And almost every amino acids breaks down to sugar. Interesting. And so the science is actually there. It's really very simple. But when I talk to doctors, and most doctors told me I'm an idiot, which I don't mind because you try to explain the simple science, but most people that are are, are highly educated in the world of a profession, have learned propaganda.

I was there and I, you know, so I'm not chastising anyone for being there, but we shut down, right? And then we don't hear you because like, politics, religion, and our culture, remember, food is part of our culture, right? So if you're telling me that the simple healthy food that we've labeled for so long as the cause, I'm not gonna believe you.

Right? And I, I didn't believe me either. You know, if you were telling me this story 20 years ago, I'd say no. But 20 years ago, I actually, some of my patients were getting pregnant on paleo and I'm. What is that? How can you get pregnant on this diet? Well, paleos a high fat diet. Mm-hmm. The simple act of increasing your fat reduces inflammation.

Yeah. And then I found keto and then I discovered Carnival. And so, you know, you don't fight the story, you just be the example of what you wanna see the change. And that's, for me, the most important thing. My mission in life is do something that shares an idea that's radical. You're in your twenties and, and I see so many women in their, in their twenties and thirties.

The answer is simple. Occam's Razor is simple. Answer is the one. It's not. It's not the pesticide sprayed on plants, it's not all the energy from your devices. Not, not, not to say that those things aren't issues, but the major cause of all diseases related to diabetes, prediabetes.

Yeah. And it's all caused by plant sugars. Right. And, and you may not know this, but there's no requirement to ever eat a plant in a human life ever. And yet that's what we recommend. And so it's a little crazy and I have fun with it. 'cause you gotta have fun with this stuff. I mean, I'm a serious guy when it comes to health and wellness.

And science. I'm a scientist. Yeah. But, , my job is to throw unusual things your way in order to help you find something different. Including having faith in God. Absolutely. I'm a, a firm believer that you know exactly what you said. I mean, diabetes is, an epidemic in this country for, for sure.

And it's also a, , big part of, , the agenda of lots of corporations and are, we'd lose a lot of money if we weren't supporting, , fast food, , businesses, , and, um, plant, plant-based foods like went out of business, right? , what would,  Bill Gates do?

 It's, it's a big, it's a big issue. , and I think really what you said that I hits a nail on the head is it's, it's all about inflammation, , we're chronically inflamed, so what can, what can we do? . Maybe people listening to this podcast will hopefully take some, some golden nuggets from this.

 But ultimately it does come down to how do we. Day to day decrease our inflammation. Right. Is that, is that kind of what you're saying? That that's, that's the simple, the simple answer as a said is, is the one, and, you know, I'd label five main things as the cause of inflammation, and the leading one is excessive plant sugars.

Mm-hmm. And I say excessive and remember glucose well, you may not know this. Glucose is not the only sugar that's in black glucose. Lactose mano, uh, pu glucose, n acetyl glucose mean and acetyl galactose mean they're, they're nine main sugars in our body. Okay. And glucose is just one of them. Okay. That we happen to measure more than any.

Great. Okay. And, and so, uh, plant sugars, plant antigens, plant chemicals, the fermentation plant in your gut via bacteria and yeast. And then the fifth one is excessive exercise. Okay. Which is a whole nother, a whole nother idea to, to share and communicate about because I love exercise, but I can tell you that excessive exercise is not good.

Mm-hmm. And it's a cause of excessive damage, inflammation, and body. But there are simple ways, and you don't have to be a carnival. You can even be a vegan vegetarian and still reduce inflammation significantly way. Okay. Interesting. And just, I mean, I have to touch on this since so many of our, um, you know, so much of our audience is athletes, what you would consider to be excessive exercise.

Right. And a lot of endurance athletes and triathletes and ultra marathoners listen to this podcast. And I myself love training for those braces especially. So I'm curious what your definition would be of over training well, well or excessive exercise. I'm 67, almost 68. Okay. And I used to be a fanatic at, at, at running and biking and, and, uh, uh, tennis and squash.

And I like, loved that. Okay. And, and I got injured here and there, but it was in my early fifties that it started catching up. Knee pain, back pain, shoulder pain injuries. Okay, now. Mm-hmm. Um, and, and I also had migraines and bowel bleeding and arthritis and psoriasis that also came with that. And so, um, I think that if our focus is to be a marathon runner and we love to do that, go at it, but heating up the body does damage d n a.

Mm-hmm. It damaged the core. And what are the two most important things in the core that get damaged? Eggs and. Hmm. Okay. Now again, the most important thing is reproduction. But if you simply wanna just keep running and you wanna biking and you wanna do those things, go at it, enjoy what you wanna do. But for so many people, they're getting injuries or they're getting cancers or they're getting, um, they're dropping dead of heart disease and or they're infertile and they dunno these things.

So maybe there are some different ways to do this stuff and honor and understand the function of the human body. So are you different than a Ferrari? Yes. Not very much so. Okay. Because, because our body still has to, has to function based on the simple science of physics. Sure. Right. You, you're, you can't break the physical nature.

You can't, you can't run a hundred miles an hour. You can push to it. The likelihood of getting there, but a Ferrari can, but the more miles on a Ferrari in small amount of time, does it last longer, right? Yeah. It doesn't. Mm mm-hmm. And so race cars don't last a long time. There are lots of new race cars coming out, and if you look at athletes in general are the most successful athletes in their fifties or in their twenties, you know, teens, twenties, and thirties, right?

Yeah, yeah. Teens, twenties, thirties. So, so I'm not telling you not to enjoy those things. I love riding my bike. I fell on my bike a couple weeks ago and it's like, you know, you can, it's okay. I get on my bike if you, I go snowboarding. I, I love to do these things, but I understand that when I was younger, I was watching football the other day and I used to play football all the time.

I loved it. I loved tackling and doing these things. But if someone tackled me today, Would my body tolerate it as well as I did when I was in my teens or twenties? No, it wouldn't because it's 67 years of, of environmental effects that happen to our bodies. Okay. And so these are just things we all have to acknowledge because football players and basketball players, I mean, they're not in their sixties and seventies, are they right now?

There may be some people playing that, but some much smaller cohort for sure. No, that makes sense. I think what I pulled from that is the, the Toyota or Honda, and not the Tesla, but, but, but, but again, you gotta take care of yourself. Sure. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta cool it down. You gotta do more meditation, prayer and stretching.

You wanna reduce the inflammation inside your body and, and fatty meat is the very, fasting is the very best way to do that. Sure, yeah. Because your body's energy. Is fat and not sugar. Yeah. Which is a hard one to believe. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah, agreed. For sure. Yeah. But what do you know about glycosylation? Not, not a lot.

Not anything glycosylation. So do you know a lot about protein? I mean, acid acids? Yes. Yeah, definitely more so than glycosylation. Okay. So when you eat a protein, it breaks down to amino acids. Mm-hmm. They go to the liver and insulin is released and it converts the majority of those amino acids to fat.

Mm-hmm. When you eat a plant, it's mostly made of sugar because the simple sugar goes to the liver via insulins converted to fat. Mm-hmm. Because what's the biggest problem in the world? We're all getting too skinny or we're all getting too fat. Yeah, we're all getting to that. Okay. So, so now when you eat fat, what happens to it?

Um, it gets burned. It goes to the lymphatics. Oh, okay. Yeah. And it's distributed everywhere. Mm-hmm. Okay. Why doesn't it go to the liver? Because it does not need to be converted to fat. Okay. Amino acids and sugars must be converted to fat in order to fuel the mitochondria. Right. Okay. Mitochondria utilizes acetyl-coa always.

And why would you convert glucose to pyruvate, to fat, to acetyl-coa to fuel the mitochondria when you have fat everywhere. Right. So more so, so now the function of d n A is to direct r n a. Which makes, makes a protein via amino acids, correct? Mm-hmm. You want proteins, right? But your body makes the proteins you use.

Your body does not use the proteins you eat. It breaks them down to amino acids. Then your body makes your own proteins. But did you know that almost all proteins must be glycosylated in order to have a functional protein? No, I didn't. Most people do not know this. Hmm. The glyco trumps everything, you know?

Hmm. The majority of amino acids that become a protein must be glycosylated. Glucose is just another simple sugar for glycosylation to build a glycan, which is the barcode of your body. Mm-hmm. The barcode says friend or foe. So the immune system has a sugar antenna that's attached to a protein and or a lipid that tags an antigen, like a covid virus or a bacteria or a yeast, or it says, aha, you are, you are the right receptor for insulin or for testosterone or estrogen or lh, M F Ss H, which are mostly glycoproteins.

Glyco is sugar protein. So again, if the science has told us one thing, but maybe something else is different, which is kind of a hard one because you we're talking about something that's foreign. Yeah. But would you put bacteria in yeast inside an open wound? Uh, no. Try not to. Then why would you want it in your bowels?

It's a good question. I mean, if more people thought about it in that way, right. I think, yeah. It's interesting. And when you eat sugar, what does it feed? Yeast and bacteria. And bacteria in your gut. Mm-hmm. In your gums. In your esophagus. Right. Which goes, which goes up your esophagus in your lungs, and then you upper the respiratory and it goes out the rectum and into the vagina, into the penis and all over your body.

So these ideas are radical, but the microbes love sugar and they love amino acids. Microbes ferment in your gut. Amino acids and sugars, which make alcohol, aldehydes, methane gas, heat, they ferment. Mm-hmm. And so our children are fermenting in their, in their plant filled bowels. Yeah. And they're making alcohol.

A D H D O C D. Dyslexia. Depression, autism caused by. Plant-based lead me diet. I'm so glad that you Yeah, I'm so glad that you transitioned there. 'cause I, I think that's, I mean, I'm fascinated, I'm fascinated with that. I listened to a, a podcast with R F K the other day who was a just brilliant mind and he was talking a lot about autism and infertility rates and, you know, working with a lot of mothers and, um, you know, who have kids with, who are on the spectrum and a D H D and all the things.

And so I, it's, it's just you have to, you have to ask the question. You have to get super curious, right? Like, why are all these things popping up? The infertility rates are through the roof. We talked about that. We also haven't talked about, I mean, the rates of autism. And a lot of people may not even know that there's, there's a connection, right?

But, but there is, and you just brought it up. It's, uh, you know, it's, it's, I'm fascinated by that. And I love to know just your, your thoughts on that as well. All these, all these rates of, uh, that are happening. Our D n A is wonderful and perfect, but it's damaged by the environment that we're putting into it.

Mm-hmm. Autism or Spectrum disorder or A D H D cd. I mean, I, I had dyslexia, depression, uh, a ADHD cd. In some ways people might say, I've got that now, but I think there's some value components to that. But I would say that what I've learned in my change of nutritional habits is that it took carnivore to cure all my problems.

I more able to see them in a way that's creative and helpful. But a Curri Rivera, uh, right on tv, we did a little series on autism and why Carnival Cures? It's amazing. Ketos good fasting is great. Also, I mean, there, there are different ways to approach this. So, you know, I approach it mostly from the, the nutritional side and, and inflammatory side.

There are things like cold water therapy and meditation and prayer and all sorts of things, and acupuncture and red light therapy and just getting outside or stop corralling your kids in the classroom and let them go run out. I mean, I grew up on the playground. My brother and I were out late at night and sometimes it wasn't very good for us.

I wonder what my parents were thinking. But, but, uh, that's what got me into struggle for a few years. But the mental disorders on the rise Yeah. All over the globe, not just in America. And it's secondary to a dra of dictators that wanna basically keep us weak and weak. Hmm. And, and I don't know if it's a, if it's a conspiracy, I'm not here to claim this conspiracy, but we each must take control of our own lives.

Yeah. And that's what this story is really about. I love athletes. I love exercise. I love, uh, meditation, prayer, reading. And I love doing this, by the way. This is fun. Mm-hmm. So much fun. Yeah. Yeah. It is. And we have to share the story. Um, I'm working with, with some people that, uh, are working to share with, with, um, uh, Kennedy and many the other, uh, candidates that maybe we should change things, but the more people we could connect personally through this story, see social media is actually social medicine.

Hmm. To try to get the government to convince people that they have to do this or that, to me it, it's, it's more of the same. Obviously we wanna do everything we can in all areas of medicine and life and social and cultural ways, but how can we share the story? And that's my intention in. Of my daily inspirations, tensions, my lives is how can I connect with people around the globe?

We need to all learn, speak the same language every time I speak my words. The, the technology should be able to easily convert all of it into whatever language you want. Sure. And that we can all see each other the same as beautiful Nas, human beings, no matter where you right. In this world and what, what you're experiencing.

But, um, every disease that we're suffering from is on the rise and it's on the rise because of the incorrect nutrition and lifestyle. Absolutely. Yeah. I think for a long time, you know, I personally didn't, didn't know better. You, you like to believe. I like to believe when I was. You know, you do what your, uh, what your mentors tell you to do and what the example was kind of set out for you.

Um, and so I didn't have, didn't grow up with a lot of, you know, nutritional education. We grew up really, , dirt, poor food stamps back in the day when there were paper food stamps and Yep. We used to run down to the seven 11 and use 'em like they were Monopoly money and buy fun dip and Mountain Dew, right?

So that was my exposure to,  to nutrition. It was  get things when you, when you have them until money runs out.

And, uh, and so I learned a lot later on as far as what. Appropriate healthy portion sizes look like. And that was a really embarrassing realization when I would eat things out of a big salad bowl and people were like, why are you putting your cereal in there? 

, but,  now I'm so far in the opposite direction as far as eating, , organic  whole foods and good meat and knowing where it comes from and it's, and it's really helped us in our, in our fertility journey.

Absolutely. , and as far as just even mental clarity goes,  it helps with lethargy and,  helps you have more energy  so that you can. Be a business owner or go through your daily routine, be an athlete, whatever. , but it's, it's kind of fascinating like what you, what you said there too, it's like, well, why isn't we have all of this information?

I, I feel like it's, it's common knowledge. There's inform access to information everywhere.  What else needs to happen in order for us to,  really end this diabetes epidemic and, chronic inflammation here in the states and, and all over the world? What other messaging, needs to happen?

Or is it just people need to hear and face the cold hard truth of, hey, no one's actually looking out for you. Unfortunately, it might be a warm blanket to think about, but the government maybe doesn't have your best interest in mind all the time. Right? Or you need to look out for yourself. 

 What needs to change? Well, heroin, cocaine, marijuana, nicotine, caffeine, all the drugs, even the new and ayahuasca and all these things that people are taking, I think it's good for them. Um, alcohol, these are all deadly, highly addictive chemicals, but the real, true, most highly addictive chemical is a plant.

And so that's a powerful statement. Yeah, you, you can, you can first help yourself in order to help and share in the community. And I would say the best way to do it's in the blog of your story. Now, challenge for all of us is you'll find your right place as you suffer enough. I like that you suffer in order to strengthen.

So unless you go through your own hardships, no one's gonna teach you because that's the way, the way is the way of the body. Uh, and, um, you have to read Joseph Campbell's stuff on the Hero's Journey and all these things, but ultimately, You, you know, you could lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

And so my grandpa, that was my grandpa's favorite saying, I say that to my clients all the time. They're like, how old are you? It's a good thing. And again, these are radical concepts and ideas. Mm-hmm. That number one, have faith in God and see God in the mirror. It's like the most important thing. And be discerning about every story.

But then you have to begin to listen and learn from others. I live to listen to vegans, vegetarians, Mediterraneans, pescatarians. I listen to atheist, agnostics and spiritualists. I listen to every, and I, I wanna learn. Well, why do you even think that way? And then, and then I get something from each and every person that has value in life.

So  that's why politics and religion and cultures, you have to be open to all of them. Yeah. Can't be closed minded and, but, but you know, ask me this. 30 years ago, and you know, I wasn't, I wasn't ready. I wasn't, you know, again, we're all winding through, you know, I never looked back and say, I wish I did this Then.

So all we could do is, is be enthusiastic about the story we wanna tell. Right. And, and shared in a way that people look at you as an example. You know, at one point I was like, I, I hated to run my best friend. Dave Kilmer was amazing. One, he died of cancer at age 52. He actually inspired me in like we would in medical school.

We'd go running and every time he'd just like, and I'm like, mm-hmm. It it, it gave us California round all the, the, the corn fields we've run and, and, uh, but, but I, I, one day I was like, my mind changed. I used, I used to ride my bike Inces, I love Lance Armstrong and all that stuff. And so we get inspired by someone, find someone you're inspired by.

Mm-hmm. And then begin to listen and learn. Now if it's negativity or hatred or drugs or you know, like, you know, you wanna find someone that you can say, wow, this is a human being that I, I admire. Now we're all, we're all flawed by the way. So, you know, no one's a true guru or God to you, but you. So you've gotta, like I read Sly, I listen to books, I watch videos like with videos about you and what you're doing and other people, because I go, I wanna learn.

And, you know, part of it, you know, it's like the first hundred pages of the book of shit. And then suddenly it's, wow, how did I not this, you gotta be willing to get through hardship. And so how do we do it? We what we're doing. Yeah. And if one thing isn't working, we do something else. But we be inspiration, write books, do videos, make movies, and, and, and do things that are hard and expensive or, you know, you my business.

Yeah. And here you are. Yeah. I think you must do what you're afraid to do. Yeah. It's, it's a message I, I definitely align with. And I, I think something you just said that was really cool and really special too, is just that personal connection, that personal story. You just don't know who that's gonna touch, especially with.

Social, like, who's gonna need to hear that that day? Or maybe you're gonna say those words and frame them a little bit differently so that it really resonates with somebody, you know? But those personal connections are, are really important. And I'm always encouraging my clients to have a mindfulness practice and, you know, get really reflective and question their beliefs and to have a routine that works for them and to slow their days down, um, because they get on autopilot too much.

Right. And I work with typically,  overachieving type,  folks who have a really hard time letting go and slowing down, and those are the people who need it the most. Right. , and so I would love to hear about your, I know you're really big on, , you mentioned so far, , meditation and prayer and, , self-development and all that kind of stuff.

But I'd love to hear just how you start your day and what. You know, what practices really resonate with you and what gives you the energy to I need to, to show up every day and be your, your best, authentic self? Well, it's practice and it's consistency and it's habits. So I found that getting up at three in the morning is the best thing for me.

Mm. I used to get into my gym, but I, I don't do that as much at three in the morning. I, I often get up and get out to work. If I don't do my weights and bike riding early morning and I'm listening to a book on my ride to work, it's usually 30 minutes and, and it's always a positive uplift story. It might be in the key to the carnival world or it's in the inspiration, faith, positivity world.

Um, I'm always listening and I usually, when I get to work at about four in the morning, um, I'll do a 10 minute meditation and prayer. And quite often I'll just lay on the couch and I'll go through my gratitude, and sometimes I'll just take, I'll go, I'll go slightly into the sleep phase and come back and, and I work to sort of stay.

And I just literally thank you, God, Lord, and I just go through this, thank you to my mother, my father, and all people of my life. Good or bad, right or wrong, it doesn't matter. They're all part of God's gift. And then, and then I'll, I usually will, uh, read a few texts, uh, from either, , the new, the Old Testament Quran, 

, I love to read all sorts of things.

And I read, , Wayne Dyer, , James Allen. , I just love to read things and then I, I'll pull down a bunch of science papers because I kind of like talk today. And I usually do my live at five Monday through Saturdays, most Saturdays, not every Saturday. And then I start talking to clients at, at 6:00 AM.

 I have troubles and I have challenges, but I begin to look at them in a way, and I talk to myself about that. I do a lot of solitude stuff alone. Mm-hmm. And, and, and then I'm also one that I, I need to get on live at 5:00 AM to have community. Yeah. To connect with people. And I think that's one of the most important things that we need to do is connect with people.

And, and I love to connect with people and listening and learning and communicating and sharing ideas, um, that are like, wow, that's radical. And um, usually I'm off at four. I'm owned by five. I usually have a stake, uh, stake in, in and and butter. And I love doing these lives, you know, between five and seven.

Depends on the day I do pottery painting that I was to comment on that. Did you make that? Yeah, I make, I made That's amazing. For those of you just watching. Yeah. It's, it's an amazing Can you pull that, put that just a little closer to the camera. That is the coolest. It's a beautiful little mug. Does that have gold flex in it?

It's gold Flex. Wow, that's beautiful. The glaze starry night. I got, I put my, my, that is awesome. My signature on the bottom, but I make thousands of them and I sell them for 20 and I give some away. But, so the thing about my cups is that they're, they're all different. Totally. And yet they're, they're made outta the same stuff.

And so the whole intention of the cup is that we're all different, yet we're made out of the same stardust. That's cool. And they're, my cups are not perfect. There's no perfection about they're, they're slightly off a little bit, uh, some of them, um, you know, the colors or there might be a little bit of scratch or something.

But the whole idea is that this is who and what we're Yeah. We, we, we look at our blemishes and we think negative rather than think ha And you think about the. Which basically you think about the cup ultimately of all the, the utensils we made, cup is one of the most amazing, amazing creations. It's ceramics.

In, in, in high school, in Silver Lake at John Marshall High School. I could get into a Spanish class, so I had to find something else. It was in the, the 10th grade and I found ceramics with Mrs. Wong. That was the game changer of my life, ceramics. And Mrs. Wong, she taught me to center on the wheel, which centered me, which calmed me down because I was very high, strong energy wise.

And then she taught me jewelry and then she put me in art shows and she stretched my sphere. Yeah. And that was a very amazing thing for me, uh, that changed my life. So, I think one of the things that we don't do enough is art. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. And I used to do a lot of woodwork and metal work, and so I'm willing to do everything in anything I've done just because it's like, because we gotta, we gotta challenge ourselves.

But art, painting, pottery, poetry, sewing. I, I used to even crochet in the knit, uh, when I was a kid with my grandmother taught me and my mother taught me to sew. And so we have to use our creative self because again, exercise is good, but I don't think we do enough in the creative space that kind of helps us kind of bring the sphere in.

Absolutely. I, I couldn't agree more. And I, I think, uh, you touched on, you touched on a few things, but I, you know, when I worked with my. When I work with my clients and athletes who are oftentimes perfectionistic, perfectionistic, and overachieving, right? They're really skilled at their sport, at their craft.

And I, I have to really break down these barriers of, Hey, you're, you know, what happens when you get injured? What happens when you, when you retire? You know, I was blessed enough to play professionally for nine years, but not everyone gets to do that. Like, what's your path? Like, we have to start to look at these other hobbies and interests and strengths, um, because you're a whole person, right?

And so in the work that. I do with my clients. It's a lot of reflection, a lot of journaling, a lot of different strengths exercises, um, to, to really kind of, kind of start to get curious about these things because it is really therapeutic to, to bead and to crochet and to to dance and, um, especially pottery, right?

Like I think pottery and art can put you in such a, in such an amazing space, um, and really ground you. So if you're someone that the day gets away from you and you're super high-paced and moving so fast, what's the best thing for you? Well, it's meditating and journaling and being by yourself and kind of getting curious about what else wants to come out and play.

 I love that you said that, , all of your different interests 'cause it. Does strengthen you as a, as a whole person. It's cool to hear, especially for like the work that you do. Um, it make probably makes you a better, a better doctor and a better business owner because you're more well-rounded, right?

And you're challenging yourself than other capacities, which is amazing. I'm worker and, and I don't work a day in my life. And so if you think about it, people, you know, it's like everyone's working to retire or I only have to work two days a week. And, but ultimately if you don't go hunting and dress the animal and prepare the, and prepare your hu and all your protection, your weapons tools, you'll die, right?

And so this idea that we're gonna a bunch money and somehow we're gonna be on the beach, whatever it's is just, I think the wrong. Advice. And you're right, our life is full of different stages. And if you're artist or athlete or, or have a professional job in some other way, whatever it is, be always willing to shift and change to something different.

That's the part I think we all focus on. And, and I do, I've got like hundreds of these journals that I've been writing in over the years and, um, and I think that's really important. And therapy, and I say therapy, cognitive therapy is great, but I also think just talking to someone, sharing feelings is really important because we don't have the same community families we used to have.

Many of us are alone. Right. And, we go to work and, and, and whether we have a partner or not, we're,  afraid some often to share that story. Because we think we'll be chastised or, or unloved or something like that. And ultimately, we have to learn to love ourselves. We have to stretch ourselves.

And I, for my me, I'm like,  I've gotta get out of this, I gotta get over to that, but it takes me some time to do these things, or I'm afraid we're just human beings.  Even when you see people, you think, wow, they've gotten together.  We're just masters of getting people to think that we don't have anxiety. Right. And keep it all together. But really it's, that's even more stressful because then you're, you're wearing a mask and you're not able to be your authentic self. And, it's really hard,  I definitely  as a, as a therapist who works remotely and such a beautiful blessing to, to be able to do that.

And I love my job, but I, , become, a hermit.  I used to be so social and I was kind of joking about that,  my husband called me out the other day. He is like, Hey, have you talked to anyone today who hasn't paid you or who's not our dogs? And I'm like, no. Thanks for the, the vibe check.

I gotta, I gotta get myself to a yoga class. So. Well, that's,

Part of me is a little, like a hermit these days. Mm-hmm. And, and think about my father. My father was, well, my mother was outgoing. She was like, wanted be out. And I like to be outgoing, but I'm just trying to get my space right now. And, and then once you don't do something for a little bit to get back to it can be a little hard.

Sure. And, and that's kind of maybe one of the challenges that we all have to sort of, we talk about, and you know, you, we have these personas online, but ultimately there's there's more to it than we, we show sometimes. And you gotta be willing to maybe, because again, we're all just human beings, right?

Nature. Yeah. Well, yeah. We're, I love the, the, the cup, you know, that you said we're all, you know, we're all imperfect in our own ways, but, um, we all kind of are cut from the same cloth. We share that human, that human experience. So I'm, I'm a. Vulnerability and being authentic. And that's the best way for someone to really connect with you and your story and what you're all about.

I'm glad that you are authentic and you're, you're sharing your experience and that,  you're on the path that, that you're on because it is, it is really inspiring. I wanna ask you  a couple more questions, especially about  fertility, just how you encourage, , your clients at C N Y to take a holistic approach to fertility or maybe what you wish that people knew more about fertility or infertility and what they can do to take charge of their fertility.

 Oh, absolutely. So, so having. Challeng fertility is so common today, and there's all the science and the medicine and the treatments. Uh, but the number one reason most people don't show up for fertility care is because emotionally hard.

And, and like, we're afraid to admit anything that doesn't make us look successful in life, we don't wanna share it, and we close it in, which adds to more stress and inflammation because cortisol Nene. And, and so, uh, years ago, Heather, um, Smith in Rochester called me one day, uh, about 20 years ago, and she said, um, I'm taking care of what your patients doing, uh, acupuncture.

And I'm like, what is that? And uh, so I went and met with her and, uh, she gave me some acupuncture treatments. And I began to learn and dive into a little bit more of some of the eastern modalities essential oils, um, acupuncture, massage. And I met some other people in her realm that did these things. And at the time, I was going through a separation and divorce, uh, 20 years ago.

And it was very hard emotionally. And, um, my friend introduced me to Buddhism and, and many other spiritual concepts and meditation and things like that. So I found it for myself and, and I was thinking, well, if I've got this for myself and someone's adding acupuncture and helping our patients, maybe we could build a healing arts center and we can integrate these things for our clients who, if they could just find ways to not give up, they are gonna increase their success even, even by doing the same science, the same medicine.

Because the more you do something, more likely, you're gonna get what you want or something better or different. But if, if you never show up or you quit, then it's, it's harder. Although some people quit and then being what happens, but I've really found that meditation, prayer, yoga, acupuncture, massage, I mean there, there are thousands of Eastern modalities that we invest Western medicine say that that doesn't work.

And the problem with what western science is that when you, when you, when you do a standard scientific study, there's a lot of biases and it's sometimes it's not so ways to find a statistical difference in one treatment or another. Or no treatment in one treatment, but it may work uniquely for you and not for you.

And why that is, that's the, the mystery. So, you know, I'm not one to say, and the science, the studies say acupuncture doesn't work and, and red light therapy doesn't work or this will work. And I'm, I'm just doing some things out there that, you know, I, there's some studies say yes and some say no, but it all depends on who you talk to.

Sure. But isn't it amazing, you know, I always say when your partner says, I love you and holds you and takes a moment to listen to you. Mm-hmm. Doesn't that heal in ways that we don't even understand? Absolutely. And so even in going to mass where, where community is there sharing an idea of healing and wellness with the mind, the body, and spirit of our lives, right?

That's, that's so powerful. That, and then the science. It reduces your cortisol and epinephrine or increases your, your oxytocin insert. Maybe it brings your vision. See, we are a visionary being, we have to see the pictures. Mm-hmm. I was talking to a client today that says, well, she does her vision boards and words and thinks them.

I said, you must create the picture. Mm-hmm. In the picture is the dream. And then the universe conspires to bring all the molecular structures together to build that thing. And remember, it's all electric molecular magnetic energy. Yeah. Nothing, nothing is created without that. If you think about the law of attraction, law of action, which is built in the mind, and, and so I talk about it a lot because I see it and.

Modern medicine and science and, and, and, and, and the deities and, and spirituality of a life existence is one, they're not separate. Mm-hmm. So we need to bring together the science and the spirit and help people on both sides. So that, you know, I'm a data guy. I love the data, but I love the deities also.

Yeah. The, the spirits and, and science, you know, I love all of it because I'm a scientist, but I'm also spiritualist. And the more we bring this to light, the more we share it, the more amazing my life's lives become. Uh, so how do we integrate it? We, we, we practice it ourselves. Doctors, practitioners, nurses, whatever level you are in life, begin to practice that.

Right. And, and so that's the part I think we need to talk about it more and share it more. And then people who do it, Right. Feel like, yeah. There's so many things to latch onto there. Are you a fan of Dr. Joe Dispenza by any chance? Do you, do you know who I Lovepen The Secret and all those things? I mean, I read The Secret many years ago, then I wrote a book called Secret, uh, because the whole idea, so my, like you hold onto the vision mm-hmm.

And you don't let it go. But all these ideas, the law of attraction, uh, Esther and Jerry Hicks, uh, and I thought my, my friend Joe McCaffrey, 20 plus years ago, more than 22 years ago, he'd talk about Abraham. And I'm like,

yeah, there's, there's something to,  positive mindset and, visualization I mean, I attribute. , I attribute those things to, in combination with, with I V F of, of course, new, new, doing that treatment. I contribute that to our, our success.  My husband and I have been  so natural and, , more on the eastern, alternative medicine route forever, and never thought we would do I V F, but you know, here, here we go.

We needed science and it really came, came through for us, but not that we needed to drop all of the other cool stuff that we were doing. We did that in conjunction with acupuncture and manifesting and prayer and,  meditation and, and all of these cool things, which I mean, and that special, unique combination was.

It was just the, the sweet sauce for us, you know?  And so it's, there's something to that, bringing those two worlds together and , people can get pretty defensive or Eastern Western, but it's like, how can we really bring these two together and make them work, , cohesively and beautifully?

'cause it's not one or the other. There's room for both, right? And the game, the in and the yang. 100%. It's, it's, it's in everything, in every culture and every society in the, and, and I think that's critical. And I think the more we share it in a positive way, and we're, we're, we're willing to get in the mud, mud, do a mud bath, do a mud back, I like it.

Mud back and a soul bath, soul bath, and, you know, cold water therapy, light therapy, love therapy, you know, love therapy and sexuality there, it's, you know, we make it like, oh my god. Is more time and intimacy with our partners agreed. Whether it leads to sex or not, it doesn't matter. But the more love, kindness, silence.

Silence. That's a good one. We're uncomfortable with, with a few of those things. , I could talk to you all day, but, , in wrapping up here, do you have any, any last  holistic tips for, for folks who might be listening to this that you would,  like to share?

Well, I think you have to know that you're not alone, although it feels like you're falling. There's so many modalities now to go online and listen and watch and connect. And then, you know, there's so many, uh, private groups or even community groups that are sharing. And you listen and listen, listen. And then you ask a question and you ask more questions and you listen and you, you, you gotta pop around a little bit and explore.

This is life of exploration. So I think whether you are spiritualist or not, you know, begin to tap into something you don't believe, um, you must let go of that, what you know to gain, that you desire. Desire that is like the most important part of life. We're all humans on the same, we're all same. And yet we different.

You know, it's, again, we're the same, but we're different. Does that make any sense? It it doesn't. It is simple, simple, simple. We are the gods. God is us. We're the writers of the story. We're the out picture creators of the story. There's nothing out there but what you think in your brain. Mm-hmm. Your brain is the master making of everything.

Right. And whether you're a vegan, vegetarian, Mediterranean, or a spiritualist or not, just hold onto the dream as you wish it to be, and it'll be that better. And so I personally think add the animal fat less frequently. I think carnivore is the master's way. Keto is the master's way. Whether you're a vegan, vegetarian, or vedi, you can do keto.

But um, you, if you're struggling with something, and especially fertility side, because nothing more valuable, nothing more important in. Reproduction. Without reproduction, we won't exist. Now, obviously we're reproducing good world and we're having a lot of destruction problems in the world, I think because of humans, cows.

It's craziness, but you gotta throw some craziness here. But, you know, , look at my stuff, read my stuff.  Look at other people's stuff. Read their stuff. Watch their stuff. Listen to their stuff. But if it's, if it's not building you up in a positive way, find something else.

Yeah, man, that's so powerful.  I don't re-listen to a lot of my episodes because, listening to your own voice is not super amazing all the time. But . I'm gonna re-listen to this one because there's so many golden nuggets for people. So this is, this is an episode that I think people can get so much out of.

And one beautiful nugget that you just said was tap into something. That you know, that you don't believe in. And, and that's, there's something just so beautiful and powerful about , getting curious about something versus deflecting or getting defensive. So thanks for sharing that.

I'm gonna hold onto that one and write it down.  Well , that's a very important one. Mostly for all of us because,  our brain becomes defensive and doesn't allow us to open and learn from our enemies, unfortunately. But our enemies are no different than you're the same, the same human beings.

And so we've all got the same stresses and struggles like force that we wanna lead. And so, you know, you sit down with that person, those people that opposite, and you listening learn and you work to find ways that we all working out. Well said. 

Thank you so much for this amazing conversation, Dr. Hilts. There's been just so much I've learned and taken away from this. And I know that athlete or overachiever, or someone who's stumbled upon this podcast, who's struggling with,  infertility, there's, there's so many things that you can take away from this episode.

So just take your pick of something that resonated with you that you wanna latch onto and, write it down and start your meditation practice, mindfulness, practice journaling,  whatever feels good for you. But, , I think another great message is that you're, you're not alone,

so, um, thank you so much for everything that you've shared. I've just enjoyed this conversation so, so much.

I love it. Okay, everyone, until next time, be well, stay mindful and I will see you on the next episode. 

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