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TFT Episode 1: Over Confidence Makes for Good Stories

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🎙 Episode 1: Overconfidence Makes for Good Stories

In their very first episode, Archie and Shelly dive into the theme of overconfidence—the kind that turns ordinary days into unforgettable disasters.

They share two tales that start with bold decisions and end… well, let’s just say, not quite as planned. One involves extreme weather and an even more extreme ego. The other features a questionable driving arrangement, a surprise guest from the shadows, and a scent that lingers in more ways than one.

Also in this episode:

  • Why this podcast exists (hint: it involves Maw-Maw and a porch swing)
  • A philosophical detour through Socrates and Epictetus
  • A few bumps, a few laughs, and a soft launch into something worth sticking around for

đź’¬ Listener Vote:

After the stories, it’s your turn to decide who told it best. Cast your vote at notquiterightgoods.com/pages/two-frogs-talking or on Instagram @notquiterightgoods.


🛍 This Week’s Tee:

Don’t miss the new “Ride It How You Want” design—now in the shop.

Because sometimes confidence deserves a souvenir.



Shelly

Wait, when are we recording?

Archie

Well, now I think.

Shelly

Oh. Oh. We are recording now. O Okay, well, hi there. I'm Shelly.

Archie

And I'm Archie, and you're on the front porch with

Shelly

two, two

Archie

frogs.

Shelly

Frogs. Talking.

Archie

Talking.

Shelly

One part telling and tales

Archie

one part talking life. All parts.

Shelly

All parts. A bit not, a bit not quiet. Quite right,

Archie

right?

Shelly

Wait, did we just do that right on the first one?

Archie

Beginner's luck. It'll probably never happen again.

Shelly

What way to set us up for success.

Archie

I do my best.

Shelly

So this is new.

Archie

It is. We don't normally have microphones in our faces when we're talking to each other.

Shelly

Well, they do go with a podcasting territory.

Archie

Yeah, we, we've done a lot of things together over the years, but, uh, never a podcast before.

Shelly

We're in unchartered waters.

Archie

Luckily, many have gone before us, so there's a lot of info on how to do this right.

Shelly

But reading about something and doing it are two different things.

Archie

Right you are.

Shelly

Folks, this is our way of saying we're putting our best feet forward.

Archie

And those feet have done a lot of tromping. So by experience, we know that we'll have some learning to do still on what makes a good podcast.

Shelly

And we hope you'll give us some grace and look past the unpolished parts until we can get them sorted out.

Archie

I have every confidence in our listeners. Plus watching a thing get all shiny is its own special thing.

Shelly

There's a whole TikTok culture around that.

Archie

Now, how do you know that?

Shelly

Well, if there isn't, there should be. I mean, pressure washing videos are pretty satisfying, right? I mean, I bet polishing would be too. So somebody should get on it if there's not.

Archie

Speaking of getting on it, should we get on with it and tell the folks what they're in for?

Shelly

Well this all started because we figured if we couldn't make it to our yearly visit yet again, we should find a meaningful way to spend time together.

Archie

Yeah. We got to brainstorming and uh, we landed on the idea that we could recreate the jab sessions our elders held on Ma maw-maw's front porch.

Shelly

Our family has always told stories, big ones, weird ones. The kind where you're not sure what's true, but somehow it all feels like there's a touch of honesty in there somewhere.

Archie

And nobody told them better than our grandmother, maw-maw. She passed not long ago at 109 full of grace, grit, and more tales than a library mouse.

Shelly

So. This podcast is our way of keeping that tradition going. A little storytelling, a little soul searching, and a whole lot of love for where we come from.

Archie

Shelly's a full on Southern Californian, but she likes to fancy herself a Southerner.

Shelly

My roots are southern and so is half my heart. I mean, I spent two weeks every summer visiting.

Archie

Except for the few times we came out to y'all.

Shelly

Mm-hmm. Mom and dad may have transplanted to Huntington Beach when I was one, but they kept one foot in the south. I was raised steeped in the culture.

Archie

Yeah. You even have a little bit of southern twang.

Shelly

It does come out from time to time.

Archie

Like right then.

Shelly

I swear it happens more when I'm around someone speaking Southern

Archie

over. The accent is catching

Shelly

just like a cold.

Archie

Oh, well, come on

Shelly

I am only kidding. You know? I love it.

Archie

Of course you do. But enough about accents. I think we were explaining about the show.

Shelly

Right?

Archie

The podcast gives us a way to hang out from across the country to swap stories like we used to on the porch swing or in the backseat of Aunt Dottie's station wagon.

Shelly

Oh, the station wagon. That brings back memories. Actually, do you remember that trip to Yellowstone?

Archie

How could I forget?

Shelly

We were driving in that two car caravan. Your mom in the minivan, us and the lead with the station wagon. And somehow we left you at a gas station.

Archie

Every frog's worst nightmare.

Shelly

I thought you were mad at me or something 'cause you weren't in the wagon. I pestered mom for five solid minutes until she pulled over so I could make things right. But when the van pulled up behind us. It turned out you weren't in it either.

Archie

I would've paid money to see the reaction when they realized I was missing.

Shelly

Oh, it was pretty massive. I didn't know the station wagon could reach those speeds. Not to mention the minivan. Everyone was in a panic. Your dad wheels the minivan into the gas station, and I swear he hadn't even parked when your mom flew out of it.

Archie

She came barreling in like a freight train at top speed, all frantic and what? And there I was making friends with a bobblehead bear in one of the souvenir aisles.

Shelly

You hadn't even noticed we were gone.

Archie

Man. I was always getting in trouble for wandering way by myself and not paying attention to my surroundings?

Shelly

Well, I don't recall you getting in too much trouble for that one.

Archie

Oh, no. No, I didn't. I think my parents were too relieved and ashamed to bother getting mad at me. Thank goodness.

Shelly

Hmm. So yeah, there you have it, folks. That's basically the show storytelling mixed in with a little truth and maybe some wisdom.

Archie

Each week we pick a theme. We each tell a tall tale and y'all decide who told it best. Oh, no. We're gonna keep track on a leaderboard. And the winner gets a

Shelly

bragging rights.

Archie

Oh, that's a little dull. How about we throw it to the listeners to suggest ideas?

Shelly

Oh, that could get sketchy.

Archie

All right. We'll have Miley, our producer, pick from the suggestions and do a reveal.

Shelly

I can't believe I'm considering agreeing with this.

Archie

I thought you were the adventurous one.

Shelly

Oh, I see. You're going to taunt me into agreeing.

Archie

Usually works.

Shelly

He knows me too well, folks. Okay, fine. But we'll have to figure out a system.

Archie

Miley's. Brilliant. And we're, well, we are passable between the three of us, we'll, we'll figure something out.

Shelly

Okay, so we'll keep track of who tells the better tale and let the audience decide the winner's prize.

Archie

Sounds about right.

Shelly

Shouldn't we put some parameters in place?

Archie

Maybe? Let's have a think on it.

Shelly

Okay. We'll save that for next episode, if we remember.

Archie

That's why we have Miley. I bet she's making a note of it right now.

Shelly

That's one of the things we learned from our research. A competent producer is worth every penny and then some.

Archie

What's that? I. Yeah. You know, I'll tell her. She says we should stop buttering her up and get on with the show.

Shelly

Well then, should we tell everyone the theme for today?

Archie

Sure. Yeah. Today's theme is overconfidence, otherwise known as the magic sauce that turns a mildly bad idea into an emergency canoe rescue.

Shelly

Or as the reason most of our best stories exist.

Archie

We don't know what story the other's gonna tell. Only Miley knows. She gives the go ahead so we don't step on each other's boots.

Shelly

Which is good 'cause I like my toes un smushed.

Archie

Now, if there's one thing our family knows better than grits and gossip, it's biting off more than we can chew.

Shelly

Maybe that's true for you, but I can always chew my food.

Archie

One thing you'll learn is that Shelly likes to talk a big game.

Shelly

As if you don't either.

Archie

Oh. The difference is I follow up on my talk. Oh,

Shelly

okay. Go on, cousin. With that kind of talk. Why don't you spin your tale first?

Archie

Well, all right. Let me tell y'all about the time I helped Pecos Bill ride a tornado.

Shelly

Oh, starting off big, huh?

Archie

Go big or go home.

Shelly

Is that so?

Archie

It is. Now. This all happened during, uh, summer in my mid twenties when I took a break from fixing things for everybody else, and I hit the road for a couple months. Just me, my old Bronco, and one of those weird travel guides full of the roadside attraction. You know, world's largest pistachio with a gravity hills, that kind of thing.

Shelly

I was so jealous of your trip. I wasn't 18 yet. Mom and dad actually agreed on something. They didn't want me tagging along, even for the West Coast portion.

Archie

It was probably a good judgment call. I mean, I did find myself in some. Questionable situations,

Shelly

one of which we're about to hear.

Archie

Exactly. So anyways, I kept my tools in the back of Betsy.

Shelly

Betsy is his Bronco in case anyone is wondering.

Archie

Mm-hmm. Good old Betsy. Still running strong after all these years.

Shelly

Archie loves that Bronco. Mm-hmm. I think it's the closest thing to a pet he has.

Archie

Uh, you don't have to clean up after a vehicle unlike pets.

Shelly

Well, can't argue with you there. So why did you keep your tools in the back of Betsy on your road trip?

Archie

Never knew when inspiration might hit or something might fall off.

Shelly

Better safe than, sorry.

Archie

Not a motto I lived by in those days.

Shelly

Is this story a case in point?

Archie

It is. I was somewhere out west, not far from Tornado Gulch, and I spot this fella: cowboy hat, windblown mustache, and he's yelling at the sky.

Shelly

Is this the man, the myth, the legend himself?

Archie

Right you are the one and only Pecos Bell and he's trying to buy, wait, wait,

Shelly

hold up. For folks who didn't grow up on tall tales and state fair trivia, maybe give a quick rundown on who Pecos Bill is.

Archie

Oh, right, right. Pecos Bill's a legendary cowboy from American folklore. Stronger than a grizzly, faster than a locomotive. Capable of about any feat he put his mind to. Now he's the kind of guy who'd use a rattlesnake as a lasso or, and once he dug up the real grande 'cause he was thirsty.

Shelly

Cool. Just wanted to let the folks know this is premium grade folklore nonsense.

Archie

Only the best. Anyway, there he is trying to ride a tornado with a regular saddle and a rope. I mean, he didn't stand a chance, so naturally I offered to help.

Shelly

Well, you've never been one to sit idly by.

Archie

No ma'am, I am not. I ask him, I says, Bill, let me borrow your saddle. I made some tweaks. Trampoline springs. Storms stabilizers, a snack strap.

Shelly

Oh, you've also never been known to go long without a snack. So that tracks.

Archie

Well, a good snack is everything. And so was a good lasso and a tricked out saddle. Now, I sized up the twister one last time. Got a good rhythm going with the lasso in one hand, straddling the saddle, and I took hold of the horn with the other hand. Before I could think too hard about it I let that lasso go flying in the direction of tornado. I was yanked into the air so hard my boots almost came flying off, but I had sure enough, lassoed that tornado. And my saddle stayed true.

Shelly

How does a saddle stay true?

Archie

How does a saddle stay true? It stayed between my legs like it was meant to, and I settled on top of the thunder cloud and just the right way. I rode that thing clean across the county line and back to where I started.

Shelly

That must have been a sight.

Archie

But here's the thing. A caravan of three tourist buses. Pulls up right after I land. They don't see me riding. Oh, that's a good thing. 'cause I ate it when I landed. I'm not proud to admit it, but my dismount was a disaster. What they did see? Oh,

Shelly

oh, oh, oh, oh. Hold on a minute. I want to hear more about this dismount.

Archie

Oh, do you now?

Shelly

Of course I do. You didn't think I'd let you just slide by with a mention?

Archie

Well, I was gonna try, but

Shelly

go on, explain the dismount.

Archie

Alright, well there's not all that much to explain. It happened in the blink of an eye, I mean, one minute. I was figuring, well, I should probably get off this tornado and the next thing I know, I'm hanging by my belt off a sign post with no sign. Feet swinging free of the ground. 100% stuck and my jeans getting pulled up to my shoulders. It was, uh. Uncomfortable.

Shelly

Oh no.

Archie

Mm-hmm. And to make matters worse, here comes old Bill coming over to rescue me. And he was none too excited 'cause he wanted his turn with the tornado, but it didn't take but a second to rescue me strong as he is. He lifted me right off like I was a rag doll.

Shelly

Well, that was decent of him.

Archie

It was, he could have left me dangling there for those tourists to see, and instead they saw Bill riding that twister. And guess who ends up on the souvenir magnet?

Shelly

Let me guess. It isn't the frog with the saddle modifications and the wedgie?

Archie

Nope. Not even a sticker.

Shelly

Mm. But you got some stickers of your own now. Just not the same notoriety.

Archie

There's still time.

Shelly

Well, you're not getting any younger.

Archie

Well, I'm stepping into the second part of my life.

Shelly

I think you stepped into it a while back.

Archie

Well, it's, it's in the up and running phase now.

Shelly

Oh, is that what we're calling middle age now?

Archie

Yeah, it sounds about right to me.

Shelly

Well, I guess if it makes you feel better.

Archie

Oh, we can call it middle age if you like. That just sounds so blah and, and it seems to me the connotation is off.

Shelly

How do you mean? I.

Archie

Well, You see, it takes a long time to figure yourself out and get going straight, and I like the idea of life phases. So this is the up and running phase of my life.

Shelly

Well, what came before this phase?

Archie

The trying to figure things out and minimize the damage phase.

Shelly

You sat in that phase for a while, right?

Archie

You are right. You are. And I have the scars to prove it

Shelly

that you do. Okay. All right then. It's my turn, I guess now. And my story also involves high speeds and questionable decisions.

Archie

Yeah. Sounds like a regular Tuesday for you.

Shelly

Well, this wasn't a Tuesday, it was a Saturday and more than a few years back. I had this rescue parrot named Chicken Nugget, nugget for short. She had a lot of opinions. None of them were helpful.

Archie

I remember Nugget who, boy, that bird wasn't original.

Shelly

She lived for chaos and peanut butter crackers.

Archie

Not a bad way to live.

Shelly

I mean, that bird could pack away some crackers. Anyway, on this Saturday evening, I was out back behind the Play'N, stay working on my dune buggy and nugget's, perched on the roll bar, watching me like I owe her money.

Archie

Well, did you?

Shelly

Possibly it was back in the days when I was always broke. I had just opened up the place.

Archie

Yet you still found money for your dune buggy.

Shelly

That thing was a beater if I ever saw one. It spent more time out of commission than it did operational, and I absolutely loved it. Yeah. Anyway, I joke, wanna drive and nugget squawks flops once and lands on the steering wheel. Now if that wasn't a clear signal for yes, I don't know what is.

Archie

Mm-hmm.

Shelly

And I probably should have just had a laugh and let it be the end of it.

Archie

But you didn't.

Shelly

Nope. Because you know me, I get inspired.

Archie

I am well familiar.

Shelly

So instead. I rig up a system for nugget to steer and we're well,

Archie

hang. Hang on though. When you say system, what are we talking about here?

Shelly

You want me to give away trade secrets?

Archie

Well, that just enough that we get the gist of it.

Shelly

Let's just say it involved a rod fixed to the steering wheel so she could tot her left and right to control it, and she was surprisingly good at it. Huh?

Archie

And how did she reach the pedals?

Shelly

Oh, that was me. I operated the gas and the brake from the passenger side. I mean, what could go wrong?

Archie

Everything.

Shelly

So we're looping the back lot, feeling like champions. Nugget's steering. I'm working the pedals. Total harmony, right?

Archie

Mm-hmm.

Shelly

And then it happens.

Archie

What?

Shelly

A possum launches out from the dumpster.

Archie

Wow. That's enough to send someone into a fright.

Shelly

And this thing, it's massive. And it wasn't just waddling away. Nope. It was dragging an empty dog shampoo bottle like it was a prize.

Archie

Now, what's a possum gonna do with an empty shampoo bottle?

Shelly

Beats me, but it startled the feathers off a nugget. Scared me too. Honestly. It looked like it had intentions.

Archie

Hmm. A possum with intentions, it sounds like something I'd like to stay clear of.

Shelly

Nugget too. I mean, she freaks screeches, stomps the wheel hard to the left before I can break. We slam straight into the dumpster, empty bottles and dog grooming the detritus everywhere. I am in a cloud of lavender and regret.

Archie

And the possum?

Shelly

Gone. Vanished. Bottle and all. Nugget climbs up onto the roll bar, puffs up and shouts Crash like it was on purpose.

Archie

And what about the dune buggy?

Shelly

Uh, it was just one more dent to add to the many. The dumpster didn't fare as well though, but it was pretty worse for the wear.

Archie

I'd kind of wanna follow the possum home from a distance. No need to get too close now. I, I just wanna see what it was up to with the bottle.

Shelly

It had that bottle like it meant something. I swear it looked me dead in the eyes and telepathically conveyed, this is mine now.

Archie

It could have been using it as a canteen. A hydration's important. Even. Even for night goblins.

Shelly

Oh, think of the aftertaste.

Archie

Hey, don't folks put lavender and food things now to be fancy?

Shelly

True. Or maybe it was building a spa.

Archie

A spa for possums.

Shelly

I mean, you don't know. I bet possums get stressed too.

Archie

Uh, I could go for that. I mean, they do get a bad reputation in general, and that could cause some stress.

Shelly

Definitely had that look about it like it was in the middle of some weird little side hustle. That

Archie

possum probably got a whole cachet under a deck somewhere.

Shelly

Imagine the tiny towels.

Archie

The tiny towels, the tiny eucalyptus, the tiny liability waivers,

Shelly

and the huge shampoo bottles. You know what? Honestly, I hope it's out there right now living its best lavender scented life.

Archie

Yeah. Well, that's mighty kind to you. Yeah. After the wreck it caused and all.

Shelly

Oh, well, it wasn't that big of a wreck. More like a bump.

Archie

Oh. Oh, so you exaggerated your storytelling.

Shelly

The wreck isn't the point of the story, Archie. It's the fact that I got chicken nugget to drive a dune buggy. The possum and the wreck, they're just extras.

Archie

Alright, I, I take your point.

Shelly

So there you've got it. Two tales. One with a tornado, one with a parrot. Both driven by a little too much confidence.

Archie

Uh, I, I think this is the part of the episode where we bring in our quotes, unless you have more to say about the tales.

Shelly

I've got nothing more. But should we explain?

Archie

I think so.

Shelly

Okay. So folks, every week we're both sharing a quote from one of our favorite thinkers, something that fits or is at least adjacent to the theme and gives us a little something more to chew on.

Archie

Uh, just 'cause we're telling stories doesn't mean we can't ponder while we're at it.

Shelly

Some of my favorite memories are of listening to the adult, on maw-maw's front porch, chattering away. I.

Archie

They'd get so into the storytelling and philosophizing hours would pass. Before you knew it.

Shelly

Maw-maw really did pass down a legacy, didn't she?

Archie

I'd say so. I mean, we wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for her.

Shelly

If this gets a bit of that right, then we're doing her proud.

Archie

You wanna go first with your quote?

Shelly

Sure. All right. Mine's from Socrates. The only true wisdom is in knowing, you know nothing.

Archie

Mm. A classic.

Shelly

Overconfidence is the opposite of that, right? It's thinking you got it all figured out when you're really just winging it with a parrot at the wheel.

Archie

And sometimes with a saddle strapped to a thundercloud.

Shelly

Well, you just ended up with a bruised ego. I ended up with a fine for it's denting the dumpster.

Archie

Oh, and now you left that part out.

Shelly

Oh, the whole thing was caught on security footage. Ooh. Very grainy. But there aren't many folks like me walking around.

Archie

Well, we are a select group, that's for sure.

Shelly

I don't know how they could tell where I dented the thing. I mean, given all the other dents in it, but they had me on tape. So not much to argue about.

Archie

Well, now I've never known that to stop you.

Shelly

Well, I did give it a go.

Archie

Of course you did.

Shelly

What about you? What's your quote?

Archie

Oh, uh, mine's from, uh, Epictetus. "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

Shelly

Hmm. It's hard to know what you need to know if you think you know it all.

Archie

Now that one hits me square in the saddle. You know, confidence got me airborne, but uh, it also made me think I didn't need to double check the landing plan.

Shelly

Well, at least no one saw you dangling. That would've been embarrassing.

Archie

Yeah, I guess that's one way of looking at it. Sure did take a lot though to let Bill take all the credit.

Shelly

I don't know if I could have held my tongue. I think that's where you may be a bigger frog than me. Yeah,

Archie

I'll take the compliment.

Shelly

Good. And I guess if I'm being honest, I didn't need to set up the rig for Nugget. I mean, I didn't need to let her steer, but I was sure we could pull it off.

Archie

Well, you almost did pull it off. I mean, if it wasn't for that possum.

Shelly

Mm. Don't give me any ideas. I'm sure there's another rescue parrot out there in need of a home.

Archie

Now. Now what would Ralph think about that? I mean, he's pretty used to being in a one pet household now. Do you think he even remembers Nugget?

Shelly

I don't doubt it. He was a puppy when Nugget flew on to the afterlife. But those two, whew. They had some interactions, but that's tales for another time.

Archie

Now we, we can't give away all the good stuff in the first episode.

Shelly

No, we've got to spread the stories out.

Archie

So. What we learned between today's stories and the quotes?

Shelly

That overconfidence makes for great stories, but maybe not great decisions.

Archie

Oh, and speaking of decisions, y'all out there get to make one.

Shelly

Oh oh, we're moving on.

Archie

Oh, unless there's a reason to stay put.

Shelly

I guess I'm not ready for the first episode to be over.

Archie

Well, it's, it's best to leave them wanting more than to tire their ears out.

Shelly

You could be in one of maw-maw's books with talk like that.

Archie

A second compliment. Woo. I'm racking them up.

Shelly

Maybe I'm being too generous. I don't want it all to go to your head.

Archie

Well, I'll do my best to not let it.

Shelly

I'm sure you will, but enough about you. Folks be on the lookout for the Instagram poll. Our handle is not quite right goods. You can also go to not quite right, goods.com under the podcast page to vote if you're not on social media.

Archie

And now we know that may be confusing to some since our podcast is called Two Frogs Talking. But think about it as a product. See, the other products don't have their own handles either. And keep things fair. The podcast gets a dedicated spot on the website. Along with all the other offerings from not quite right goods and it uses the same social handles.

Shelly

So find us on the gram under not quite right goods or the podcast page at not quite right goods.com and vote for whose story reigned supreme this week. Was it my feathered fiasco?

Archie

Or my legendary ride with a borrowed saddle and a highly avoidable wedgie.

Shelly

Ooh, that wedgie is one for the highlight reels.

Archie

And one for my nightmares.

Shelly

Oh, I can imagine.

Archie

If you liked today's stories, you can snag a piece of the nonsense at not quite right goods. We've added the ride it how you want it tee to the collection in t-shirt and sticker form.

Shelly

You can find it all at not quite right goods.com.

Archie

It helps us keep telling tales and maybe just maybe afford a roll bar for Shelly's next experiment.

Shelly

Or pay off a fine.

Archie

And we'll be back next week with a new theme. Two more tales, and probably one more possum.

Shelly

Better not be the same possum. We're supposed to be ending. Now

Archie

we are.

Shelly

Well, why didn't we write down how to end?

Archie

I, I, I suppose we wanted to keep it natural.

Shelly

Okay. But all I can remember is, is that I start

Archie

Yeah, you say, thanks for joining us on the porch. And then I say, we'll catch you next time. And then we both said, bye.

Shelly

Thanks for joining us. Wait,

Archie

wait. I'm not ready.

Shelly

You just told me what to say. How could you not be ready?

Archie

Well, you caught me off guard. I wasn't expecting such a quick turnaround.

Shelly

Oh, oh my bad. Here, here. I'll give you a heads up this time.

Archie

Alright,

Shelly

I'm starting. Thanks for joining us on the porch.

Archie

We'll catch you next time.

Shelly

Bye bye. Not as smooth as the beginning, but decent.

Archie

I'd say so.

Joe

This has been a Not Quite Right Goods production. Starring Joe Laureiro as Archie and Holland Renton as Shelly. Written, directed and edited by Holland Renton. Music sourced via Descript stock library.