Sew Colourful with Chelsie from Radiantly Me

In this episode of the Sewing Social podcast, Chelsie, a colour consultant, shares her journey from nursing to colour analysis. She explains the principles of colour analysis, the process of consultations, and the science behind colour theory. Chelsie discusses how understanding one's colours can lead to more sustainable fashion choices and enhance personal style. The conversation also touches on Chelsie's sewing journey, her recent awards, and her future plans in the industry.

Key Takeaways:

• Chelsie is a colour consultant based in Loughborough.
• She transitioned from a 15-year nursing career to colour analysis.
• Colour analysis helps individuals enhance their natural colouring.
• The process includes understanding skin tone, hair colour, and eye colour.
• Chelsie focuses on empowering women through colour analysis.
• The tonal analysis system offers more personalised palettes than seasonal systems.
• Makeup is an important aspect of colour analysis consultations.
• Knowing your colours can lead to more sustainable fashion choices.
• Chelsie has been sewing since lockdown and enjoys making garments.
• She has won awards for her work in colour consulting.

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Guest details: 

Instagram: @radiantlymewithchelsie

Website: www.radiantly-me.com

Email: radiantlyme@outlook.com

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Colour Analysis

02:57 Chelsie's Journey from Nursing to Colour Consulting

05:47 Understanding Colour Analysis Principles

08:51 The Process of Colour Consultation

12:12 The Science Behind Colour Analysis

15:02 Sewing and Sustainability

18:04 Chelsie's Sewing Journey and Projects

20:54 Awards and Recognition

24:06 Fun Segment: This or That

26:57 Future Plans and Collaborations

Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:11.662)

Chelsie, welcome to the Sewing Social podcast. It's lovely to have you on today. I wondered if you could introduce yourself to the listeners.

Yeah, sure. Thanks for having me, Gemma. It's exciting to be here and congratulations on your new podcast. So my name's Chelsie and I'm a colour consultant. So I'm based in Loughborough in the East Midlands and I've been doing colour analysis now for about 18 months. So colour analysis, you may or may not have heard about it, but it's a process that we go through looking at an individual's natural colouring. So hair colour, eye colour, skin tone.

And then finding the shades that really enhance your natural coloring, that really compliment you to help you be the best version of yourselves in how you look and also how you feel as well.

believe you've had quite a journey to get to this sort of stage in your career. Is that right? Yeah, you were something completely different before, weren't you?

Yeah, that's right. So I never thought I'd be doing this, but I absolutely love it. I used to be a nurse in the NHS. So my last job was working at a GP practice in Loughborough. But yeah, so I did nursing for about 15 years. And at the time I heard about colour analysis, I had actually finished nursing. I decided to step away from it for a bit. My job had changed so much with COVID and various things.

Speaker 1 (01:38.702)

But I actually got into colour analysis, heard about it initially through sewing. At yourself, I like to sew, make a lot of my own clothes. But I was making things thinking, oh, I really like it, but why aren't I reaching for it? Why is it just sitting in my wardrobe? And somebody said, oh, you should think about having your colors done. What are you talking about? I'd never heard of this before. I kind put it to one side and then it pops up in conversation a little bit.

And then I did go and have it done by a lady who has had her training with Colour Me Beautiful, who is that's who I trained with in the end. And it was just amazing, really transformed the way that I sew, the way I dress, the way I, you know, confidence, makeup, everything. It was such a game changer for me. And then a bit later on down the line, I was looking for something kind of quite flexible part-time that I could be.

have quite a bit of control over and found it so helpful myself as well, just thinking I'd really love to share this with other people. And it's a real privilege to meet so many amazing women and just help them be the best version of themselves and just really give them that confidence as well.

lovely. I was wondering if you've had any men that come and get the colours done as well?

So it's definitely, it is good for men as well. I've chosen just to focus on women at the moment, because that's where my passion lies, equipping women, yeah, other colleagues. If you do have a man in your life that you think, they would really benefit from it, then you can see other people for that. But it definitely helps for men as well as women.

Speaker 2 (03:20.27)

I think women in particular do struggle with the confidence and things around clothing and like you say, colours and makeup. don't realise all the choices that you need to make on a daily basis, do you? So I can imagine it is quite lovely to empower them in that way.

Definitely. I think, like you said, you know, it takes away that kind of, whilst you still obviously get to express who you are and your creativity and the colors and styles that you wear, once you know what really suits you and enhances you, it takes away the stress of thinking, I don't know what to wear or I've got nothing in my wardrobe, you know, but you actually got a wardrobe full of all these clothes. And we've all seen people and think, that dress or whatever looks amazing on them. And then you get it or some

things in with them, you try it on, you think, that just doesn't work for me. And we've all got such different colourings and it's a way that we can really celebrate each of our individuality in a way that suits us. So yeah, that's one of the really good things about it.

What do you think are sort of the key principles behind colour analysis? Cause I've seen, you know, a few different ways that it can be categorised. So for example, a lot of people are aware of the seasons, but you don't work like that, do you? Can you explain sort of your process and what are those sort of key principles that you look for?

Of course, yeah. So like I said earlier, I changed with Colour Me Beautiful and they've been going for over 40 years now. And originally they did have a seasonal approach, but now they've moved on to a tonal analysis. So that's the system that I work with. And it's not that seasonal's wrong, there's definitely similarities, but with the tonal analysis, you get sort of six palettes to start with rather than your four seasons.

Speaker 1 (05:17.91)

And then if you did have a full colour consultation, you actually would be one of 24 palettes. So we can really sort of fine tune your colors down for you. And also it means it's global as well, the approach. Cause if you think of winter in here in the UK compared to winter in Australia, the colors that we associate with it are quite different. So yeah, within the two sort of systems, the seasonal and the tonal, there's definitely similarities there. They're not polar opposite.

I chose to train with Colour Beautiful because I do feel the tone is generally more accurate. And also the descriptions that we use on each of the palettes, you know, whether you're light and soft or cool and clear, or you know, you've got vibrancy and you look, describes the types of colours as well. So it means it's more equipping for you when you're out shopping or looking in your wardrobe, deciding what to wear, thinking, are those colours, are those shades within my palette?

was lucky enough to win one of your little competitions, wasn't I? It was about a year ago now. And I've got my little card with me. So I came out as a soft, which I sort of, I didn't know how you classified it, but looking at the colours, I sort of are drawn to these colours anyway. So I was glad, but it took me

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:47.176)

through a lot of things that hadn't considered. like you mentioned earlier, it sort of includes makeup as well. And I knew that I shouldn't have harsh colours like black against my skin. So I had considered that in clothing, but not in makeup. And I just thought that was fascinating. It's something so small, but really quite significant.

Definitely the makeup aspect is often quite surprising for people. Either they don't know that we cover that as part of a colour consultation or there's no point having all the right shades in your clothes, particularly the ones that we wear near to our face, but then wearing makeup that's really fighting with your natural complexion. So they do go hand in hand, but that's not to say that you can't if you go in...

out for a big night or an occasion or go a bit more bold or dramatic or they're all tools to help people. I never want anyone to feel really restricted once they've had a colour analysis with me, whether that's in their makeup or with their clothes and think, I've got to stick to, you know, this is my prescription, but it's more just to help you get the most out of it and get the most joy out of what we're wearing and confidence and rather than feeling very like, I have to stick to these. Yeah, it's all to be.

enjoyed and to be a tool rather than a rule book.

Yeah, definitely. Can you talk us through Chelsie, for people that are not familiar with colour analysis, what would one of your sessions entail?

Speaker 1 (08:25.006)

So I do different sort of levels of sessions, if you like. So you and Eloise, wasn't it? Your friend that gave you really lovely time. You had the express session. So that's a really good taster. For some people, it's enough. They find they don't need to have another follow-up afterwards. But that's sort of half an hour. We look at what your dominant colouring type is. So you're the main one to get right.

And we look at 10 shades from that palette and we do a little bit of makeup as well. And then think about how we can put the shades together. I always explain a bit about sort of science and history behind colour analysis as well, because that really helps you understand why certain colours suit you more than others, rather than just being given, oh, these are my 10, or these are my 42 colours. And there's also a bit of going through.

the shades that don't work as well as the ones that really work so you can see the difference. And also, so you mentioned black is not in your palette, but actually if you decided, really like black, I really want to keep wearing it, then we just talk about how you can wear it in a way to enhance you rather than feeling like you've got to get rid of everything in your wardrobe that's not black or not in your palette.

So the Express is really like a building block, isn't it? Cause you can go on and have much more in depth session as well.

So the most comprehensive is the full colour consultation. that for an individual that will take around two hours, but you can have it done, bring another person as well. That takes more of three to four hours. But yeah, we look at your dominant colouring type, your secondary and your tertiary. So there's quite a bit more testing involved with that one. And then there's 42 colours that we'll go through. We'll do sort of a full face of makeup or as much as the individual wants. So very much led by.

Speaker 1 (10:20.674)

you know, what you want to get out of the session. And yeah, we'll play around with lots of different combinations. We'll test best metallics. We'll talk about accessories. There's lots of elements to it really. So there's something for everyone in terms of the different levels of service. So you can either come on your own or like you did, you bring a friend or a relative or do sort of group parties as well. They're really good for hen-doos or girly get togethers or...

And I can also go out and do events. And so I've done it in sewing schools or fabric shops or workplaces, so all kinds of things, presentations really. So it just depends on what you're interested in. Definitely up for new collaborations and opportunities and things. So if you think, if you've got an idea, then let me know.

So it really does sound like there is something for everyone. As to what actually sort of physically happens, you lay like scarves on top of people, don't you? Is that what you call them?

They're called drapes, but yeah, essentially pieces of fabric. So great for those people that really love sewing and fabric. We get quite excited by all that, don't we?

And then you sort of see how that enhances somebody's skin, don't you, by removing one and putting another one in its place and just seeing the difference.

Speaker 1 (11:43.758)

That's right, yeah, so we have specific coloured drapes, that's what we call the fabrics. And then they're they're sort of lighter or deeper shades or cooler or warmer or brighter or softer. So do different tests and then we watch what they're doing to the individual's face. So whether it's making their skin look nice and healthy and even, whether they look got a bit of a glow or whether they look like, you know, they're not very well and might need to go back to bed.

Whether their eyes are sort of sparkling or really shining or gone a bit dull. The hair, is that looking a really lovely colour and healthy and sort of good volume, all those things that we want in our hair? Or is it looking a bit flatter? Has it gone a bit of a funny colour? Is it bringing the light over to your face or is it sort of casting shadows? And also, how do you feel in those sort of shades as well? You touched on earlier, actually. You were glad you were a softie.

because they're the colours that you were drawn to. And there's definitely something in it that's drawn to what suits us. We don't get it right all the time. But the chances are if you've got these coloured bits of fabric under your chin and you're thinking, I hate them, they're probably not going to suit you. So yeah, there's always reassurance from people when thinking, I'm glad that they're colours I actually like, that they've been given.

Definitely. And I'm interested to know what you're, I don't know what you call the section, so I'm soft. What do you call each one?

Pallets or colouring or yeah, different terms you can use really. But so I'm soft like yourself, that's my dominant. And then I'm also warm, so I've got warm undertone. And then I've also got light, so that's my tertiary. So soft, warm and light. So those are characteristic, make up the shade of...

Speaker 1 (13:35.854)

that really suit me and bring out the best in me. Before I had my colours analysed, particularly when I'm thinking about fabric, I would have chosen to make a top or a dress. It probably would have been really bright and contrasting, really cool in its tone and maybe even deeper as well. So all the characteristics of colours that fight against my colouring. So that was probably...

working out now. When I look back thinking, that's why they didn't suit me. That's why I kind of liked the fabric, but that's why it was just sitting in my wardrobe. people would, you know, if I tried to wear it, people might say, it's a bright top rather than, wow, you look really well. You know, you look really nice. It's, we want you to sort of be the star of the show rather than just what you're wearing, if that makes sense.

Yeah, that was something that I took away from meeting you in that session, Chelsea, because you said something like, you know, I avoided certain colors like red, for example, but there's so many different shades of red. And you said, you know, when you walk in a room and you're wearing a red dress, you don't want people to see the dress. You want them to see you in the dress.

So it's not the dress that's doing the talking, it's you. And that was really interesting.

think particularly as Sewists as well, you if you spend a lot of time dreaming something up, making it, and then you do want people to kind of notice perhaps what you've made, don't you, but not in a way that it does all the talking rather than you. So yeah, just getting that balance there.

Speaker 2 (15:20.632)

And I think, like you mentioned about your own colours, it's not just this sort of base level, it? It's not like these colours suit you. There's actually other things involved. So mine again was like, don't necessarily wear things that are too high contrasting. I hadn't thought about that really. So it is like a layer approach, not just these are your colours, that's it, off you go. There's a lot involved.

Yeah, definitely. So whilst it is important to look at the shades, it's actually a lot of it's about how you wear them as well. So not just what they are, but like you said, because your look is soft and blended, there's not much contrast in your coloring. If you're going to wear something with really high contrast, you know, that's quite near to your face, that's, there's not going to be much balance and harmony there. Whereas if you're wearing something softer, more blended.

that's really going to lift you more than something that's not basically.

You touched on that there's quite a science behind it without sort of putting you on the spot and having to like read back through all your information. Is there, is there anything you can tell us about the science behind colour analysis?

Yes, absolutely. So the Colour Me Beautiful system is based on the colour theory, which was developed way back in 1903 by a man called Albert Munsell. And he identified the characteristics of colour. So when you look at a colour, you know, we can look at a red and we can also say, that's red. But having a look at actually how deep is it, how light is it, is it softer, more muted, or is it sort

Speaker 1 (17:07.891)

brighter. So that's its clarity. And then we look at its undertone as well. And that's sort of how warm yellowy golden or how cool bluey pink a colour is. And then also the depth, which is what I meant by so is it a lighter colour? Is it a deeper, more saturated colour? So we look at those characteristics in the colours themselves. And then essentially, we match that with an individual's colouring. And that's what gives us the best.

effect to be like the most enhancing in someone's appearance.

So we've touched a bit on how sort of knowing your colours has an impact on what you make as a sewist. Do you think there is an element of maybe even sustainability in that as well? So you're not going out buying loads of things that don't suit you.

Absolutely. So one of the main benefits of having your colours analysed is knowing that what you're going to buy or what you're going to make is really going to suit you. But then you're much likely to keep wearing it and wearing it rather than just making it and wearing it once or buying it and then, you know, not wearing it. It just sits in your wardrobe or if you give it away and it goes to landfill, you know, that's not good for the environment. So you're much more likely to actually.

wear and love your clothes because you know that you're making really good choices based on what you've seen through colour analysis. And that also saves us a lot of money as well. When we think about all those garments we might have made or bought that actually we don't wear or just wear once because they didn't suit us, that's quite a lot of your hard-earned money sitting there and also time as well. once you know your colours, it's

Speaker 1 (18:58.262)

makes it much easier to go shopping, whether that's in a fabric shop or whether that's, you know, a high street shopping, because you've got more of a laser focus, because you know what you're looking for. And straight away you can discount, you know, certain things because you know that they're not going to really, really suit you.

How long have you been sewing, Chelsie? Can you tell us a bit about your sewing journey?

Yeah, so I've been sewing since lockdown really was when I got into dressmaking. So I've always been quite sort of creative and done different crafts and things. But in lockdown, a colleague that I used to work with, so I was still nursing at the time, she was getting a new sewing machine. She said, I think you should try my sewing machine. I think you'd like it. And the sewing machine that she gave me was I think older than I am. I passed it on to someone else and I was like...

a Toyota, really cranky and really heavy if you had to move it. She set me off with how to use it and everything. Then, never looked back since then, really. Learned a lot through YouTube and different social media things. I've had a few, been to a few classes and things. Yeah, really love it.

And do you have any like favourite patterns or garments that you love to make?

Speaker 1 (20:22.99)

So I think I prefer, and I think I'm only just realising this, I think I prefer making woven garments compared to knit garments. Having said that, I've just cut out a Kielo wrap dress to make for the first time. So quite looking forward to giving that a go. And I quite like trying different patterns and things rather than making.

lots of the same pattern. Though having said that, we've both got Sage Brush tops on today, haven't we? This is my third one of these, so I do quite like this pattern.

think it's good when you find something that you do love. I think this is quite versatile as well. It's not like you're going to have loads of exactly the same garment.

No, and you can do hacks and things, can't you? How many do you have of this one?

think I'm similar. I might have three as well, but this is my favourite one.

Speaker 1 (21:16.748)

It's really pretty that one. Great colour.

I wore it for you. Oh, thanks. I've seen you've made the Blanca flight suit, which I absolutely love it, but I'm scared of it.

Don't be scared because it is definitely an involved pattern. There's a lot of top stitching and there's a lot of different elements to it. But if you want a kind of slow and steady, you you can't just whip it up in an afternoon. It's not that kind of, well, I certainly couldn't. But it's a really, the instructions are really good on it as well. Yeah. If you're thinking about it, I would recommend going for it.

Yeah, I need to be brave.

Have you got any fabric for it?

Speaker 2 (22:02.774)

Not at the moment. think I'd probably make it in a denim.

My tip would be to use something with bit of stretch in it as well. So my first one, I made it in sort of a chambray, a light denim, which is really nice. But the second one I did it in a sort of thicker denim with a bit of stretch and I think that's a little bit more comfortable. yeah, I'd that.

Good tips. Just before we go on to a little game that I like to play at the end of the interview. you didn't tell me. Don't worry. I want to just mention that you won an award, didn't you?

Tell me

Speaker 1 (22:41.076)

Yeah, so with Colour Me Beautiful, I've won a couple of the industry awards now. So I won the best newcomer award in 2023. yeah, that was quite a surprise. I won the annual conference, but yeah, that was really encouraging and a boost to receive that. yeah, you can't win these things without your clients and your friends and your colleagues and everybody. So they always feel like it's not just mine, you know, kind of a group thing.

And then, yeah, this year I won the Silver Award, which puts me in the sort of top 10, me beautiful consultant globally. So yeah, a real honor to receive that really. And again, another sort of encouragement when you make a big change in your career, you think, how's it going to go? But yeah, to get things like that along the way is really, really good.

congratulations. Obviously very well deserved. yeah, as I mentioned, I'd just like to play a little game of this or that towards the end of the interview. shall we get into it? Yeah. So going out or staying in?

I do like going out. I mean, I have to say a bit more, do I just have to answer? No, I do obviously really enjoy going out and getting dressed up and socialising and things, but I think I really enjoy staying in as well. Can I be at 50-50?

Yes, I'll allow it. thank you. Prints or solids when it comes to choosing fabric?

Speaker 1 (24:14.35)

at the minute, I would say I've been choosing more planes, solids. think I tend to go through phases with that and I'd go more for patterns or, cause with the pattern things you want plain things, solids to go with, don't you? So good to have a real mix really.

scissors or rotary cutter.

do like a rotary cutter for cutting out. Cutting out is my least favourite task, think, within sewing. Yeah, and a rotary cutter with a new blade on it.

got to be, You did touch on this one earlier, but making a new pattern or sort of a tried and tested one.

I think I enjoy making new patterns more than another one. But sometimes, you know, if you want a quick win or you've got a pattern you really like and you want to try it in a different fabric or I've started dabbling a little bit with packing. you know, maybe switching the sleeves over or doing something a bit different. So that's quite good to do it in a pattern you've made before, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (25:19.596)

And I quite like getting my money's worth out of patterns and things. So if you can make it again or make some changes, that's always quite satisfying, it?

Definitely. Tea or coffee?

It depends what time of day, sometimes you can't beat a good cup of tea, can you really? But I do like coffee. I like everything. That's the trouble.

Podcasts or YouTube?

YouTube I think.

Speaker 2 (25:47.552)

organised stash or creative chaos.

I actually have quite a small stash. I've had a few people come to see me that sew and they're like, where's your stash? Well, that's it, know, just a few, because I think if I have too much, I just find it a bit overwhelming. Although it's fairly topped up at the minute after going to the sewing show at the NEC a couple of weeks ago, because you just can't beat seeing fabrics in real life, can you, to hold them in one line.

That's it, that's it. Only one project on the go or multiple.

one project on the go. Yeah. Are you like that or are you multiple?

I used to be, and then I get to a point where something might annoy me or I'm like, I don't know how to progress with this. And I put it to the side and then I've got something else on the go. think having one project is much better, but I don't know what makes me do it. I've changed. And the last one, making for yourself or making for others.

Speaker 1 (26:51.234)

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:57.358)

I mean, I mostly make for myself, but I have made a few other things for my husband or a couple of friends or my mum. So I do enjoy making for others, but ultimately it's a hobby, isn't it? And yeah, we like to make things for ourselves, don't we?

I don't blame you. Time is precious after all, isn't it? Yeah. Have you got any sort of exciting projects or anything coming up that you want to tell us about?

Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (27:25.464)

So I'm hoping to do my style training later this year. So that's the sort of next step on the journey for becoming an image consultant. So obviously knowing the colours that suit you is really important. Actually looking at your body shape, your proportions, style lines, all that sort of thing. You know, face shape as well for glasses and accessories and your haircuts. There's a lot.

to it. Yes, I'm hoping to do that later this year and then I'll be able to offer style consultation, wardrobe edits, personal shopping maybe, so will expand my services. So watch out for that. And then, I've got a few exciting collaborations potentially coming up with different people and a bit later this year. Sewing wise, I've signed up to go to the Dressmakers Ball again.

That's not till later this year, but I did find myself this weekend looking and thinking about what dress I might like to make for that. That was great last year. I really enjoyed it. Have you been before Gemma?

No, I haven't, but your dress looked amazing.

I mean, that was the hardest thing I've made, I think, because the instructions, it was a vintage pattern. So the instructions were so, you know, sparse, really. But yeah, was, I enjoyed making it. was really good. There's no better feeling, I think, than dancing around in a board in a dress that you've made and feeling great. Yeah, so going again this year. You might go along.

Speaker 2 (29:01.558)

I don't think I'm going to go this time. I feel that the pressure of making something that I feel is worthy of a ball is just too much.

I mean, it is called the dressmaker's ball, but there was a real range of, know, some people would just made a little top or a bag and perhaps more casual to people that were more sort of full on. And it's what you want to do. And if you're just going to find it really pressured and not enjoy it, then, you know, like you said earlier, time is precious, isn't it?

I know, I'm sure it is a lovely event and I think the social side of it would be amazing but I'd just be, I'd be too worried about making the garment.

But you were very talented at sewing. How long have you been sewing?

Speaker 2 (29:51.074)

I've been making garments for about seven years now, I think it is. Yeah. I'm coming up for that anyway, but I still, you know, everybody makes mistakes and there's still...

Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:04.386)

You had an isn't it? Yeah

So, you know, there's always something to learn, but I think that's the beauty of it, isn't it?

What are you working on at the moment?

Well, I've just made the Fleur blouse by Fabric Godmother. I made it, but it doesn't quite fit very well across the bust and the cuffs were too tight. So I am just altering it and seeing if I can salvage it because I'm not sure if it's just too small, but we'll see.

Yeah, it's hard to know sometimes whether to go in and sort of amend it or just think, I'll just give that away to somebody that would benefit from it.

Speaker 2 (30:47.84)

I know. It's such a shame when you do like something and it doesn't quite fit right. But I did size down on it and it was probably the wrong move. I just didn't want it to be too voluminous. We'll see. We'll see if I can salvage it and go from there.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:06.958)

We're often very hard on ourselves, aren't we, when we make mistakes in sewing and things. I think you just have to remember to take a step back and enjoy it and see what you've learnt from it.

Have you got anything on the go?

I'm just making the Chalk and Notch Wren Blouse. Have you made it before?

No, but it's very pretty.

Yeah, so I have got enough to make, there's a mini dress option as well. I've got enough to do that, but I think I'll do the blouse first and then see if I want to add the sort of ruffle tier on the bottom. But the neckline looks really nice. So yeah, try that one.

Speaker 2 (31:47.63)

lovely. Well, I look forward to seeing how that comes out. Hopefully you'll post it on your Instagram.

Yeah, we'll see how it turns out.

Where can people find you, Chelsie? What are your social media handles?

Yep. So I'm on Instagram and Facebook. So I'm Radiantly Me. That's the name of my business. So it's Radiantly Me with Chelsie. And I have a website as well. So that's Radiantly-Me.com. But my phone number and email address is all on there as well. So feel free to pick up the phone and give me a call if you want to know a bit more about color analysis or booking in or different things. I'm very happy for a chat on the phone as well.

Fabulous. Well, thank you so much, Chelsie, for joining me on the podcast today. You're welcome. I can't wait to see how all your exciting projects.

Speaker 1 (32:33.998)

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (32:39.608)

go. Thank you, Gemma. Take care. Bye.

Bye!

Speaker 2 (32:47.246)

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