Why Nike is Losing China? Because American Culture Is Dying Overseas

Nike is losing its grip. See how Anta is quietly building a sportswear empire that’s coming for the Swoosh’s crown in 2026.

In this deep-dive, we break down the seismic shift in the global sportswear market. For decades, Nike enjoyed unrivaled brand equity, but a combination of geopolitical tension and the "Guo Chao" (National Wave) movement has ignited a massive consumer revolt. We analyze how Anta—once a budget factory in Fujian—now controls heavyweights like Arc'teryx, Salomon, and Puma, positioning themselves right on Beverly Drive.

Beyond the corporate warfare, we tackle the "Sneaker Capitalist" mindset: from the death of Air Max rumors to the reality of the resale market. Whether it’s Kanye’s redemption arc with Bully or the controversial "White Lives Matter" marketing, we explore how cultural cachet is being redefined. Is Nike too big to fail, or is the era of blind brand loyalty officially over?

Time Stamps:

00:00 Why the Sneaker Industry is Changing
01:45 The Anta Empire: Who Owns Arc’teryx?
03:30 Nike’s "Golden Goose" Problem in China
05:15 Guo Chao: The Rise of the National Wave
07:40 Did Nike Really Cancel Air Max? (April Fools Fact Check)
11:20 Beverly Hills: Anta’s New Flagship Strategy
15:50 The Pandemic Bubble: Why Nike Stock Crashed
22:10 Sneaker Gatekeepers vs. The New Generation
28:45 The "Sneaker Capitalist" Guide to Reselling
36:20 Kanye West is Back: The Bully Album Analysis
45:10 Why High-End Brands are Tapping Into "Americana"
52:00 Supreme Spring 2026: What’s Actually Worth Buying?

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SPEAKER_02 0:07

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SPEAKER_04 0:18

Welcome, sneaker. Why the fuck do I keep the 12 Hub Sneaker pop? 12 Hub Podcast. There we go. But yeah, episode number 46. Because we talk about everything here. Yeah. And our and our content spread amongst three different channels right now, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Shout out to all the people who sit down, watch the show, and then say shit like who the hell makes a show about sneakers after watching it, leaving the comedy.

SPEAKER_04 0:45

That's basically everybody on Reddit. Oh, that's my favorite. It's funny how every sneakerhead is on Reddit, but they've never heard a sneaker podcast in their life, or anybody talk about sneakers on any platform. Like it's literally a multi-billion dollar industry. Like Complex built a whole ecosystem around sneakers and fashion, and they have their their old executive, uh editor-in-chief, whatever, Joe LaPuma, hosts both all the shows that are popular. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

These people just have touched one of my favorites is as you're sitting here talking about buying five thousand dollar caskets and nine thousand dollar ATM machines, these guys are unemployed.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

I wasn't gonna buy the ATM machine. That casket was in the cart though. It was close.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

If price was an object and I was mentally underdeveloped, I prefer the ATM over the casket, but I know to both. But we're gonna talk about the premiums.

SPEAKER_04 1:51

Where do you want to start? So I have a couple of things that I wanted to like do culturally. Uh what's the biggest thing? What's what's the one that's on your mind the most? Uh I mean, we talked about the Nike stock, right, last week. So um, oh, just to clarify, so the whole thing with the whips and the chains or whatever the fuck, that that that was all bullshit. And we I think we said it on the pod already. Yeah. Um, some people are still running with, like, oh my god, how can they do a marketing? And no, just some random marketing company or whatever artist posted those pictures, and then people elaborated on it by adding other images from another artist who did a whole exhibit around how brands like manipulate black people. So they did one where like uh a basketball player was shooting um hoops, um, but there was like in you know, like the chain-linked um hoops. You ever see those? But it was just a chain and it was hanging there, and then there was another one with the fucking um another an actual Nike branding on the head of a bald-headed person, or I think it was a woman. So it's about a bunch of different um symbolized symbolisms of that uh marketing campaign that were all like mixed together and misinterpreted. Yo, I'm getting it's so hard now, man, to like figure out what's real and fake, man. I've been fooled by AI a bunch of times in the past few weeks, like for real.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

It started to get me. It started to get me too.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

Yeah, I used to be able to catch that shit. Like, I and the first time I got fooled was when I seen um I seen an AI of Angel Reese tonguing down some boxer or UFC fighter after a match. I thought that that was real. Like they came up to each other and just start, and she was at the fight, and it was funny because they did like a whole thing where she walked through and all that, and it was on social media, and somebody did an AI of them like making out. Now, it was a bad AI. It was, I mean, it looked real, but it had you know, you could see the hands and all that crap.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

I wasn't paying attention to that exactly.

SPEAKER_04 3:45

I wasn't paying attention to it at the time, so I got a little more savvy, but now like there's this things that it's just like whether it's a picture uh or or of like that thing with the marketing, like if you interpret it a certain way and people just fall for the narrative, you can do it with just pictures and words and and fuck people's heads up, you know. So be careful out there, people. Be safe out in the internet streets, man.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

April 1st oh almost got me. The only thing that saved me, because you know the classic phrase you gotta get me pretty early in the morning. I have a bad habit of sometimes when I wake up in the middle of the night or get my day started, I do check my phone. And one of the trending things was the end of the Air Max line. Nike was saying that because of the gases that they put in the products to produce Air Max and their commitment to moving to zero, they would stop producing Air Max. That and the declining sales of Air Max, they'll be pushing different technologies like mind and all that. They had quotes from Tinker Hatfield, the Nike website had all of the Air Max category removed. I said, Whoa, did Nike really just end Air Max? And I said, Whoa, whoa, whoa, it's April 1st, it's April 1st. But the way it was presented, like you said, was so intricate, was accurate that had me thinking, like, damn, what's Nike's next one? I said, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Ain't no way they're gonna end Air Max right after they introduced the Liquid Max and Air Max month just happened. Just not possible. So you gotta be careful, man. Gotta do your Google stuff.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

You got to, and and just you know, just realize how just how the world is, man. It's wild, and then you gotta think AI doesn't just mean images and pictures, it also can write scripts and narrative, all that type of stuff. So everybody just beware, be wary, and do your research. Just don't believe anything you see. But it's hard on social media because you see it and you want to be the first one. Everybody in the group chat wants to be the first one to you know present the information, right? And sometimes it's just wrong.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

In this in this day and age, I guess it's better to step safe than move sorry. Like just yeah, read it, process it, do your own search, wait till it's confirmed by somebody else, especially if you're not a presenter of media, like if you're not an outlet or a source, you don't gotta be the first one. Just look at it first.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

Yeah, it's not going anywhere, it's on your phone.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Definitely don't get y'all news from us because we don't know shit.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

We're informed.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

We're informed. But sometimes you get excited. Like the um, I know you heard about that news over the weekend that Trump might have died or whatever, right? I like bro, no, I didn't care if that was fake or real. I went in. Death reports.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

So common, I just don't believe. Like anytime I see a picture of Trump frailed or being assisted by somebody while walking, I just assume they got a quick frame of him slipping up, and everyone's all like Trump died, or Trump had a stroke, or Trump had an aneurysm. And I'm like, if that were the case, we wouldn't know that until the media at large won. Like, we didn't find out about Biden's health struggles until after his administration wrapped up. You know, he didn't know. But we knew, but people there was speculating. It was speculation, but it was it's clear, like both. And most of it was from like mental standpoint, but when they figured out oh, he has cancer, people like, oh crap, I didn't know that. And it's not something he just got diagnosed with, so they had it under wraps. Donald Trump has Walter Reed's best medical minds on speed dial. Whatever any of us could possibly die from is a joke to him. Like, presidents, you know, this is not the this isn't the 60s anymore. Like, presidents aren't having heart attacks or strokes on a whim without it being noticed. They're getting the best health, whether you like them or not. Nine times out of ten, the burst of everyone's bubble, Donald Trump probably gonna die in his ripe old age of 99 on a private resort somewhere guarded by Secret Service.

SPEAKER_04 7:55

Yeah, let's hope it's sooner than that. Um comment.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Sponsors, I'm my own entity. Nah.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

I got this video queued up. Uh so this this young lady, she this this this is starting to go viral, I guess. Um, I saw come across the sneaker, the 12 hub thing, and I just got you know kind of enthralled in it. So I I actually only watched part two. There's a part one. Let's watch it. It's actually three parts. I don't know. Maybe there's another part, but uh I guess we go through part one and then part two and then kind of talk about it. But uh it's very interesting how the Chinese market has evolved um culturally uh and and doesn't uh I'm I'm not gonna give it all away until we actually have a good talk about it, but let's just say that um America's cultural cachet isn't as powerful as it used to be globally, and um indicators of that now are happening, more so than in the past. But this kind of started towards the tail end of um Trump's presidency, right? Because of all the things his yeah, his first term. Uh because all the things that he was doing at that moment in time. And I never really put much thought into it because obviously, you know, our cultural grasp across the globe is so powerful. But you have to think that um we come from a uh strong cult the strong black culture which influences American culture heavily and international culture, like people emulate black culture, but when that when you look at how America is seen globally, and now there's a harsh rejection of culture from coming from America, it's starting to affect things that were probably not so like like that you would think were unpenetrable, you know, like hip hop culture or whatever. Um, and the dumbing down of hip hop culture is fucked up things too. That that's a whole other podcast. But uh yeah, let's get into this, you know, watch it real quick and then kind of you know give our our two cents because I think it's an interesting topic that a lot of people in the culture, the sneaker culture at least, are not really talking about because uh we're so like caught in our little bubbles, you know what I mean? Like resale. We think it's resale, it's this and that, but like from a corporate side, it's it's a lot more things. Uh okay. Let me see. Got the volume. Let me just reload this and I think it'll just start right up.

unknown 10:17

Right.

SPEAKER_05 10:27

I'm going to name some brands and tell me if you recognize them. Arterix, Solomon, Wilson, Fila, Puma. Yeah, you probably have heard at least one of them. What you probably don't know is that a single Chinese company either owns or is the largest shareholder of every single one of those brands. And two weeks ago, that same company opened a flagship store on Beverly Drive in Beverly Hills. That company is called Anta, and this is a story of how they quietly built the most powerful sports empire on Earth. Anta was founded in 1991 in Fujian Province, China, by a guy named Ding Xizong. He was 19 years old. He took 10,000 pairs of shoes to Beijing on a train, walked into department stores, and asked them to stock his product. Most stores slammed in his face. A few didn't. For years, Anta was China's budget Nike, cheap trainers for people who couldn't afford the real thing. Nobody outside China took them seriously. That was the first mistake. Because while Nike Nadidas were busy protecting their premium image, Anta was learning exactly how global sportsware empires are built. And then they started buying. In 2009, Anta acquires Fiela's China operations. Everyone laughs. Fila was struggling. Anta transforms it into a luxury lifestyle brand worth billions.

SPEAKER_04 11:42

You remember that? That's when they started doing the thought shoe. Remember those? Those platform shoes that the girls used to? Disruptors, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

Wow. I didn't know Anta. Anta, go Anta.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Yeah, for those listening, watching, before we actually started recording, that's what we were just talking about. Anta owned. I had just found out within the last week or two, and I can't remember the creator who pointed it out.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Maybe it was her.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

No, it was, I want to say it was um Winona Kick, same old Seth, their platform, uh Beyond Kicks Podcast. I want to say it was them. I could be wrong, if not, shout out to them anyway. But they were saying like Arterix is owned by them and stuff like that. And while I know Anta had a strong presence in China, especially with like performance, when I heard like Solomon and Arterix that they were majority shareholders and had major ownership, yeah, I was shocked. And matter of fact, it was them because they were talking about how, as she mentioned, they just recently acquired a huge stake in Puma.

SPEAKER_04 12:43

Mm-hmm. Yeah, a lot of these brands, man, they're struggling out here. And China's got like the infrastructure to manufacture. So cheap labor, the markups are pretty high. And even with tariffs, they're still good. Because you get you, I don't know, don't we talk about it? Let's let's just finish her finish right now.

SPEAKER_05 12:59

2017, Anta acquires DeSente, the Japanese performance brand. 2019, this is where it gets serious. Anta leads a consortium to acquire Amir Sports for$5.2 billion. One deal Arctaryx Salamon Wilson peak performance. All Antas. The outdoor apparel Wilson, too, huh?

SPEAKER_04 13:17

Shit. That's the tennis gals, right?

SPEAKER_05 13:20

Consumer in Colorado buying a$700 Arctarix shovel jacket. They just bought Anta. They just don't know it. Then this year, Anta drops another$1.8 billion to acquire a 29% stake in Puma, becoming their single largest shareholder. Puma is now the fourth biggest sportswear brand on the planet. Nike Adidas Anta Group. That's the new top three. And it happened faster than anyone predicted. But Ansa doesn't want to own brands Westerners love. They want Westerners to love their brand, the ANSA brand. So on February 13th, 2026, they opened their first US flagship store. Not in a mall in New Jersey, not in an outlet center, on Beverly Drive, Beverly Hills, the same street as Chanel. Ribbon was cut by Kyrie Irving.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

That's a smart move, yo. Like just because when you associate it with luxury and um people it's it's just like how uh Alo or Lululemon and all those things, like they they their storefronts were put into very affluent neighborhoods to get you know to get things going. Uh it kind of sets them apart from you know the regular brands because you're not seeing a fucking Nike outlet on Rodeo Drive, right? Maybe there is, I don't know. But it's just location, location, location. Location, location, location, even no matter how much it costs, you know.

SPEAKER_05 14:37

Ansa's global ambassador and chief creative officer and Clay Thompson, who signed a lifetime contract with Ansa at the ceremony, four NBA championships between them. This store runs community events, run clubs, athlete activations. It's designed to make Americans feel something about ANSA. That's brand building 101. And they're doing it right in Nike's home market. Part two tomorrow. We look at exactly what this means for Nike because the numbers coming out of China right now, they should terrify every Nike investor on the planet. Follow so you don't miss it.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

This is So she dropped this video literally a week before these videos a week before the uh Nike stock. Oh, actually, no, she dropped the second video the same day. Oh no, wait, no, Ant's grew. Oh no, no, this is where she's talking about. Okay. I don't even refresh that. This is the second video.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

Yeah, that's all the rage right now. Everyone's talking about how is Nike done that stock crash was yeah, it's hyperbolic, but yeah, it was a hell of a noticeable uh shakeup in the market for sure.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

I mean, the stock went crazy during the pandemic.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Uh but it's another thing people gotta realize Jock Slate pointed it out in his uh discussion about it. Nike would be doing a lot better on paper if they stopped trying to chase those inflated numbers from the pandemic that are not realistic. They base their earnings projections off the steady incline that they were getting during that bubble. No pun intended Air Max, but like it's not sustainable, it was never going to be.

SPEAKER_04 16:16

Yeah, yeah. People had extra money, like that's what people do is buy bullshit with extra money. Now they're back to buying their air monogs, and during that period, remember, they cut out Amazon sales, right? I think they did that around that time. First party heavy, like they cut out all the middlemen. Direct the consumer because they thought that, oh, everybody's just ordering off our website, yeah, because they can't leave the fucking house. So what are you doing? Like, if now people are out in the street, everything's accessible. Um, their only failing is uh big failing, the big I mean not only, their their biggest failing was that they had um not uh created a good avenue for innovation like they had in the past, right? Experimental shoes, creative looking shoes. They're starting to get kind of back into that. Yeah, I mean something. You got the Liquimax, you got the mind stuff, and things with the shroud with all the leaves and flowers on them. I gotta get the flower shroud one though, by the way. With the cherry blossoms on it. That should look dope. Those forces with the cherry blossoms all over them? With the with the shroud, not the one. Yeah, oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Oh, I remember the Japanese joint the foliage nasty looking things. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:25

Yeah, I gotta get a pair. Um they're probably like five dollars on stock X. I have to go get those. That's five dollars too much. Yeah, but you take off the shroud and it's a fire shoe under there.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

It's okay, it's passable.

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Pink, I think, right? I don't know, but it's all like suede and shit. Whatever. Alright, let's just watch this combo. I hate watching videos during the day during the during the pod, because it's always kind of like pay attention to all pay attention. That's it. Yeah, we're streaming now. This is what they do for a living.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Can't hear it on my end. You can't hear that? No, it's frozen.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

It's still the end image of the first video on mine. Oh, you know why? Because I did not switch them. Sorry. Let me refresh that.

SPEAKER_05 18:16

Said in front of investors this year and said they need to quote, reset their approach to the China marketplace. That is corporate speak for we are losing badly, and we don't fully understand why. I'm going to explain exactly why and why it should worry every Nike shareholder in this room. For two decades, China was Nike's golden goose. Fastest growing market, highest margins, aspirational brand equity through the roof. Every Chinese kid wanted the swoosh. Then 2020 happened. Nike publicly refused to source cotton from Xinjiang. Whether you think that was right or wrong doesn't matter for this conversation. What matters is what happened next. In China, it landed as a cultural attack. Overnight, Nike went from aspirational to adversarial. Chinese consumers didn't just stop buying Nike, they actively switched. During China's 618 shopping festival, the biggest retail event on Earth, bigger than Black Friday, Nike sales dropped 24% year on year. Ansa was up 38%, Li Ning up 31%. Nike's China revenue is now down 16% and falling. Their profit in Greater China in one recent quarter dropped 86%. But here's what Nike's boardroom might be missing. This isn't just about Xinjiang backlash. This was a spark. That feel has been building up for years. China's Gen Z, the most nationally proud, most digitally native generation in Chinese history, had already started asking, why am I paying a premium to represent somebody else's culture? There's even a name for this movement, Guo Chao, literally national wave. Chinese brands started blending traditional aesthetics, calligraphy, dragon motifs, Tang Dynasty silhouettes with modern streetwear, and Gen Z went crazy for it. In the sneaker resale market, which is basically the cultural stock market, ANSA and Li Ning shoes started flipping for 10x, 20x, and even 31 times retail price on Chinese platforms. Nike had that energy once, that resale heat, that cultural desire. In China, it's gone, and the brands that have it now are Chinese. Meanwhile, Nike is contracting, closing wholesale accounts, trying to rebuild DC, restructuring, cutting costs, all the classic signs of a company that expanded too fast and lost its cultural edge. Nike's market cap has fallen dramatically from its peak. Antigroup and MR Sports combined are closing the gap every single quarter. Let me be clear, Nike is not dying. The Switch has a century of brand equity behind it. They have Jordan Brand, which is a cultural institution on its own. They will adapt. But the era of Nike operating in China or anywhere without a serious Chinese competitor nipping at their heels, that era is over. Part three is coming tomorrow, and it's the most important one. What does this all mean for American brands domestically? Because that same customer revolt is happening in China. It's already starting here. Follow for more.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

All right. So that'll be our con. I'm not going to play her part because I want our opinion to resonate more. Actually, I haven't watched part three yet either. I didn't even know there was a part three, to be honest with you. So consider this. She made a great point. How um America's rejection of international and Chinese culture at that time is mainly because Trump made those comments about uh China virus. No, not even America first. I'm talking the China virus, all that shit. It's insulting, right? And from a diplomacy standpoint, that's just like, why the fuck do we want to fuck with you? But like even today, everybody knows this that this regime is an outlier to the actual sentiment of most real Americans, right? Including yourself and I, and a lot of Of other right-minded people. But um when your biggest voice and his minions have social media and all this other stuff, it kind of makes it hard for uh for us to kind of you know uh make peace with other countries when it comes to culture, at least, right? So I'm not traveling out of the country this year. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to any place I want to go last year, even Europe.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

I just don't feel like it's uh I didn't have any international plans this year, but my sister's in the travel business. I know a lot of friends who have planned trips, and they're like, hey, maybe I need to reevaluate when and where I go.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Yep. So an interesting point that she made in her video was the nationalist pride amongst the younger generation behind traditional Chinese aesthetics, whether it be, you know, designs of dragons and all that stuff. We were like that in America at one point. We wanted the cowboy boots, the Levi's, the Carhart workwear, the Ralph Lauren flag sweaters. We believed that when they say it made in America, it meant something different. It made you better. And we will reject stuff coming from overseas because it wasn't as cool as what we were associating with Americana. Even other cultures, you know, you you see pieces that Nigo aspired to have, all his denim collection, it was Americana. It was American staples. So now I find it interesting that it's a cultural shift that these other countries, China in particular, are going, yeah, why shop and support a culture that's not supporting the culture that I'm born in, that I'm coming from, my forefathers. So I thought that was pretty interesting. When you turn your back on somebody, you can't expect them to still support your product.

SPEAKER_04 24:01

That is true. And you know, while you were away resetting your computer and stuff, I watched her third video. She alluded to that in the sense of you're very similar in the way you talked about it, because she she brought up the fact that Gen Z uh now in America is more aware of the brands and doesn't just have blind blind brand loyalty like the previous generations had, right? You gotta think, in the 80s and 90s, Nike had to earn the the respect from the uh consumer. And when they got athletes like Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson, and all these different ones, they earned that, and then they put out a quality product. Uh same with Adidas when it had its its um high point in the mid-2010s with around Kanye. They earned that respect from fashion culture and uh celebrity and athlete too, because athletes started to get move over there when they when they really embraced uh like um soccer or football culture or whatever. And that that stuff you know made them pop for a little bit until Kanye went crazy and they messed up a bunch of collabs with celebs, but um, yeah, like you don't like Nikes earned you know cultural status or even you know, like a um any of these brands really, like you think about maybe like Ralph Lauren, uh Polo or whatever has has a long-standing tradition of being on the edge of you know uh culture, fashion, even in a sense, sort of activism without speaking to it because of their the way they present things or the way that they put out these collections that are very American but kind of slide into black culture a lot or hip-hop culture a lot, you know? And and you gotta think, like Ralph Lauren's been in the game for a while, he's a New York guy, he doesn't have the same mindset as a lot of these other fashion designers. Uh, he grew up around, uh I'm assuming around a multicultural community uh being from New York, so he understands that you have to cater to that in a sense if you're American. So I think you know, what one thing America's lost touch of is the way that we used to, you know, embrace our culture and invite people into it. Now I feel like there's there's people pushing, you know, I mean, like you could tell just from the politics of the day. Um, they're pushing people away. They're saying, you're not American. You know what I mean? Even though they want to be American, they want to work here, they want to pro they want to participate in the the community, even even to the point where they quote unquote assimilate themselves like they say they need to do. They they have assimilated themselves. They're they're talking and walking American and and wanting to be part of the culture, but you just won't let them in, while regular Americans aren't doing anything to support this infrastructure from government down. So it's it's it's an interesting play on the sneaker culture, how this all works out. But yeah, I don't I don't know. Nike's just going back to the main thing here. Nike to me hasn't necessarily lost its cachet, but I haven't been uh an active participant in sneaker culture uh for a long time. Remember I my stories, I I wanted these shoes when I was a kid, I got some money. Now I'm now I'm doing now I'm doing what I do. I still appreciate the fact that they, you know, now thank god the retro cycle's tighter, so I could get all those retros. But I also have turned into like you always call me like a sneaker, sneaker capitalist, right? Facts. Yeah, because resell, I mean, look, I know how to I want to make money. I want to, you know, but I participate in the the the sneaker quote unquote culture of you know trading with friends, buying from friends, making, you know, I do that with you, I do that with Drew and Glenn when he was part of this whole thing, and you know, and it's like I I I love that part of it. It's fun and it gives a sense of community, but when we go online, especially being out front, you know, out front and talking about it, a lot of these cats just don't understand like that community aspect of it, and they just have this like closed-mindedness, like it's all about the fit, um, it's all about this. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 28:15

It's not like it's it's very much how they grew up and what was socially accepted for them and for a lot of people, whether it be sneakers or just any aspect of life, it's hard for them to see another perspective. Like, for example, we're talking about this Anta Nike thing. I'm gonna be honest, Anta got some ways to go before I start actively going on their website and checking for new product. A couple of the Kyrie's on court and lifestyle look cool. I've seen some of their um runway shows and I looked at some of that stuff and I was like, wow. But a lot of Anta's push in the mainstream is going to come from these other brands until they start getting their foothold. Because a lot of people don't want to accept them. Like I said, myself kind of included. Like, it's not that I don't want to accept them, it's just I didn't grow up, grow up knowing Anta as a cool brand or Anta as a brand at all. But I know Solomon, I know Arcteryx, I know they're having a wave. Um, to not get too far from your point though, yeah, man, a lot of the culture, and I'm using air quotes for those listening just to audio, is superficial. People throw that word around crazy without having an understanding of what culture is. It's all types of walks of life coming together to make something, you know? Yeah. Now you might not be the biggest fan of that part of the culture or of a subculture, but it shouldn't lessen someone else's enjoyment. We get too caught up in what's culturally cool, what I grew up on. And I'm not saying you gotta like any of the new wave, Anta, or any of this other stuff, paralyzed vans or asics runners, you don't have to like that. But to completely dismiss it and to not let people enjoy their little wave is anti-cultural, it's cancel cultural sense.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Yeah, yeah. And it's um oh god, I have this on top like right on the tippy top of my mind. Um what no? I was thinking about something I wanted to say. Um, I'm trying to be better with letting people talk instead of cutting them off all the time. I'm terrible at that.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

We know the the listeners know too.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

I know they love to. Well, no, I'm trying to be better, but then I forget my thought, and this is where we are now.

unknown 30:39

Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

No, no, no, I'm trying to retain my thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 30:44

I'm trying to think about it. What I was gonna say. Um, it's about about like a um oh, like uh I saw today, your man homegrown kicks, right? I say he posted it kind of yeah, shout out to him, big supporter. I know he gets he he engages with our content a lot. I see him leave comments and stuff all the time. Cool, brother. I actually I didn't realize I wasn't following him. I just hit him, I just hit him with a follow today. So appreciate the support and everything. And no clue that I wasn't following, I thought I was, but he did 12 of us. Anyway, we got like six different accounts. So yeah, I was gonna keep track of all that. But either way, um, nah, he said something that kind of hit home with me about gatekeeping and age. So he kind of hit on all notes like of what this podcast kind of represents. Part of me was like insulted, another part of me was like, Yeah, he's speaking facts. And it was sort of like he this is how he broke it down. And I don't know, and I sent the link through the thing. And correct me if I'm wrong. So at first, he's like gatekeepers, right? So we got gatekeepers. Eddie's a gatekeeper. I ain't gonna lie. Eddie's like the purest. I was outside, fuck y'all. Uh sneak this podcast, gatekeepers, to an extent. I mean, they they appreciate it, but they're always talking about how like I was outside and we did this and did that. You all don't know what's going on, blah, blah, blah. Troll Mageddon, gatekeeper, for sure, even though he represents a whole other side of that culture, of the culture. I mean, and then like the and then it's the guys who like you guys always call me like a capitalist, you know, just in it for whatever. But I also do appreciate the good stuff about the culture. And then the old head, we got all that too. Drew, all of that, like, oh, I remember this, I remember that. And it's like they they're they're almost, it's it's almost like they're not not to not to be like uh critical of like Drew's taste or anything like that. It's like they're like he tries to, and Eddie's the same way, I believe. They try to like, and maybe even John, they're all the same, where they don't embrace newer concepts and silhouettes that other like brands are trying to do. Now they might they might pick up a new thing here or there, but like I appreciate the way you will say, Oh, Vimero Premium or uh Evo SL or whatever. You'll try these new things. I'm the same way. The react the the mind the Nike mind. The minute they like that that half these guys or all these guys saw the Nike mind, they were like, Yeah, it's like, what are you talking about? This shit, it's got like I've seen shit. You know what I mean? Like, remember back in the day, Vebok Pump was bullshit. It was bullshit. Yeah, and people were like, Oh, I gotta get the pump. They all I can bet all those like Converse React juice. You remember that shit? Everybody wanted or the the shocks, Nike shocks. Come on, that shit hurt people's feet. People broke ankles in those. But no, I bet you 100,000 percent. All those guys probably would be like, oh my god, I gotta get that shoe or whatever. Eddie, all of them. Now, mind you, not being critical of my friends, but they they are in in a sense not really engaged in trying to embrace new shit, right? Now, look, I'm I'm speaking from the perspective I see. Whenever they criticize me going after an ISPA or you, you know, they like everybody's quiet when you talk about the new Vomero. Like, I don't even know. Like, I ain't paying paying$220 for the fucking role.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

I have I had this conversation with a friend not too long ago. They're in the Pokemon. Now, Pokemon, whether you've been an OG fan, whether you're a fan that recently jumped into, or like we talked about capitalists who see people lining up in front of Costco and go, You telling me I spent a couple bucks and I could flip it for a couple hundred. Yeah, I'm in there. I find it funny that no one looks at an old school Pokemon fan and be like, get out of here, old man. Charizard sucks. And you don't hear none of these new, these, these older fans going, I'm not you hear it sometimes, but most old school Pokemon fans still collect the cards, still play the games. Yeah. Like they can intermingle, but like you said, in the sneaker culture, it'd be hard divides. Now, if you don't like a product because it's not your style, it's a gimmick, it costs too much, it's not comfortable, whatever your reason, cool. But like I talked about the new waiver vans. I've been wearing vans for a long time on some run out the house type stuff, but I wouldn't be lying to say if the newer waiver vans haven't piqued my interest more so. And when I say that, people are like, Vans are bullshit. That shit sucks. You can't be a sneakerhead, you must be a hype beast reseller, new guy. Boy, I've been I stopped working in the sneaker field professionally almost a decade ago. So that shows how long I've been in it when I stopped working in sneakers over a decade ago, almost I've been outside, brother. I've seen all the stuff. If it's some Nike trivia, I could tell you. Spoiler alert, I used to work for the brand. You know what I'm saying? Like, I I know, but I can also embrace when I see my nephew gravitates towards something or a little cousin, and I'll be like, man, those kind of cool. Those got merit, those got value.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Now, if it's not my style, I can respect it from a distance. I might not even like it. I might like, nah, that's shit whack. But I'm not just gonna say I got a homie that will like, I'm not wearing a Jordan unless Jordan played in it. First off, bro, you're like 25. Did you see Jordan play? What does that even mean, bro? And then we're gonna look at some of the most coveted Jordans of all time. Jordan never played in no Fragment one. Jordan never played in no Travis one. Jordan never played in off-whites. They don't, so they don't matter. Like it's like you said, it's okay to look at something and go, all right, man, we gotta close the door a little bit because y'all come in here with some big wild shit. Y'all gonna dilute the culture to the point where it's not a culture anymore. It's just a mess.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

But to just outright reject the next generation or someone who has a different taste or who's willing to embrace the new, like you can't use the phrase new booty sneakerhead partially. Now I know when Eddie does it, he's joking and stuff. But you can't use the well for you, but um It's valid though. Eddie, Eddie, Eddie gets a pass from me because he's willing to look at some new stuff and go, I'm not as fire. But you can't does he though?

SPEAKER_04 37:05

I don't know. Like he's he's embraced some new stuff. I don't know. I maybe I'm not, you know. I know he's he likes skate shoes and stuff like that, but I feel like when you reach a certain age, this happened with me. Like, look, I'm young and then I've only been doing like serious collecting for five years. By year three, I was kind of off of all those new silhouettes and stuff, and I started just going after more retros because they started putting more out. It was like, okay, not that I say that I cared or missed it. I wasn't outside when Undefeated came out and all this stuff. I give a fuck. But like being able to get them now, I'm like, oh shit, especially from the monetary side and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

It's it's gotta be some it's gotta be some duality because you you can't be like retro, retro, retro, and then say Nike is not innovative. And then when they start innovations, you start going, man, they need to stop experimenting, doing all this weird shit and bring back the classics. So it's like, what do you want?

SPEAKER_04 38:00

Well, they're not really innovating as much as they were back in, I mean, at least from a design and a materials perspective, they're kind of keeping it a little safer now, right? They'll put out these weird, wacky collabs with, you know, uh not collabs, but certain, you know, types of innovations. But if you think, like right before the pandemic, I mean, the ISPA line, uh, what was it? The the oh god, the something 32 something. I forgot.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

They did this whole like they did they they did a whole bunch of different oh the when you dial Nike on the pen pad, the three, whatever. I know what you're talking about. 357? I don't I forgot it was guys. I know what he's talking about. Yeah, but I gotta find out. It's the numeric, it's the numeric code for Nike when you dial it on a phone number. It's inside the Air Max Thunder.

SPEAKER_04 38:51

No, it was Nike 357, I think. Or something like that was it?

SPEAKER_02 38:55

No, it's it's it's based off that if you look at a pin pad, you know, when you had to input the numbers for the representative letter.

SPEAKER_04 39:02

It's N3 something. N357. That's what it was. N I K-E. Yep. Yeah, N357. Oh, that's what that meant? I had no clue.

unknown 39:12

I had no clue, bro.

SPEAKER_04 39:14

But see, oh my god, I had no closed. That's what it meant, bro. I had no clue that's what it meant. Uh you just took you just taught me. I just I just thought it was some kind of like some Native American shit or something that they were trying to. You're thinking of N7? Yeah, I remember that. So I got the I had the white ones, the oldies. Remember these? I forgot this was a thing. N354, N354s. Yeah, these are dope, man, with the little strap in the back. I got the black ones. I had the white ones too.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

Under my hair, I wouldn't have been able to tell you what a single one of these models was. I'm not gonna lie. I'll tell you right now about the uh what other technology that fell to the waist side? Joyrods?

SPEAKER_04 39:49

Joyrods, joy rods were fire, yo.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

If you actually that's uh that's a strong take. They were dope. I think I'm pretty sure. Like, as many people that are deprived of luxury footwear or even just something basic to put on their feet, all the joy rods that's in the landfill right now, Nike could do a lot of good charity work. I know they're not selling none on the aftermarket. All right, dude.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

I mean, they're going for a pretty penny on the aftermarket for real. Pretty penny. No, they are.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

They are.

SPEAKER_04 40:18

I I didn't sell mine, I have a bunch of pairs, but I still wear them. I have two pairs that I on DS. I still wear them now and then.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Between the joy ride and some answers, I'm uh hopping over to China.

SPEAKER_04 40:29

Yeah. Well, you know what? From a tech from a feel-good on feet standpoint, these mines, Nike mines, at least the sneaker version, is um very good. Oh wow, there's none on StockX, these N354s.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Why waste the bandwidth, bro? Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

It's going at him. He's going at the N354.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Didn't didn't Beckham have like a Nike Joyride PE or model?

SPEAKER_04 40:52

Mm-hmm. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Wait, uh, maybe I'm looking at these wrong. I don't know. They used to be they used to be all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

How come I can't find them? I wonder why. Well, it should be on stock acts, you know. Why would somebody want to sell a$10 shoe and make five dollars? It's what it's worth. You want to know the real value of something in the streets? Check eBay and check by completed sales. That's how you know it was really being sold. Not these random people putting up a obscure shoe for$800.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

Well, that's me. When I put when I sell my shoes, man, I'd be selling some some heat. People like buy my stuff too. It's crazy. Oh, damn, they got these ones grailed. All right. Um, I'll go shopping. But yeah, N357. I guess people wore them, and then there's not a lot of dead stock ones out there.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

But uh Yeah, it's it's to the point where this is totally off topic. When Nike does joyrides and the offline slides and um I remember off, I got a bunch of those. I love those.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

They're like moccasins.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

When those completely flop, do they donate those to pre people in need or some Nike grind and put them in the basketball course? Because who who the fuck is buying? Oh, the Nike grind. Remember that?

SPEAKER_04 42:07

They tried to do the yo, oh, what's space hippies? Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

What? I got a couple of pairs of those. Next episode, top ten technologies that Nike really tried to play with us with. I mean, it's the space hippie thing was cool, but that aesthetic.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

I had some 001s. Was it ones, twos, threes, and then? Yeah, they're pretty comfortable for what they were. But that was a different time. That's what that's like when they crossed back into well now. People want leather and suede and stuff and and and nylon. And back then it was more mesh and whatever. So those space hippies, you know, the mesh and the knits, that that fit that aesthetic, I guess, whatever you want to call it, or you know, whatever. And the design language of those shoes was not something that would last uh for that, you know, to this time period.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

I remember that used to be like a topic of conversation. Do you own any of that stuff?

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Like the Space Hippie or I had the I didn't get any of the good ones that you know, like the ones with the cool straps and shit.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

If I'm not mistaken, in the OG group chat days, that was something that was we were talking about. Oh yeah, we was going after all. Everybody went after.

SPEAKER_04 43:16

I think I I did a couple of videos on those joints, but um, I don't wear it no more. Space because they but that that was a shoe um that it became popular, the space hippie, the um it was they were outside, like the O4, the the O2, the one that originally was touted as a woman's model.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

I used to see it.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

It was O4, the O4.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

It's the O4. That's uh I'll show you. No, the one I used to see all the time was O2. Wait, show them me, show them to me again.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

I remember what the first one looked like. O four was the first one that they put out, and then they put the the other ones are way more limited. See, now I'm getting confused. Let's get some visual aid up there for the people listening. This is what I'm talking about. The O2 was limited. The O1 was limited. The O4 was the one that they mass produced. That's this one. Okay, you're right. It was the four. It was the four. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. I got a pupple pair. Actually, I just I sold this one recently. How much did what's I said? Sold it for a decent amount.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

Yeah, because this was originally as a women's model, and then they started making it unisex because it was it was outside.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

Yeah, and these are like knits, right? This is coming. Mind you, this is what 2020 or 2019?

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Yeah, it had to be like pandemic years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:28

I think it was before that. No, 2011.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

It had to be like 1920.

SPEAKER_04 44:32

No, 2020. Yeah, so 2020. So you're you gotta think. This is when Yeezys were popping. All these knit shoes and all this. So they wanted to compete.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

I feel like very 350 V2 esque.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

Yeah, this is basically a Nike's answer to that in a sense. And and they they really copied that whole design language and aesthetic. Um, the chunky soul here made it. These shoes weren't that bad. They were comfortable for the most part.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

They kind of remind me of now. I don't know where he was at the time, but it's giving Salahi. Yeah, give him be a sponge. Maybe he because he's been behind the scenes on a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

I'm kind of over like all of that shit, but yeah, it's cool. But these I wanted these so bad. Everyone wanted those. I don't know. I was willing to pay. I was willing to pay for this shit. Like, it's cheap as fuck now, right? No, it's would you put it on your feet in current day? 12 and a half. I can get a 12 and a half or 300. Oh, it's women's. Were these all women's sizes? They were all the women's sizes? That's kind of weird. Yeah, I went for every one of these, just trying to get, you know, I didn't really care about colors and shit. I was like, I can make this work. So yeah, they should be 03.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

God dang. Man, um, their marketing team did numbers on these because they really had select people outside.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Well 300 bucks. Now I ain't paying for that. Shit's made out of garbage.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Like literally. Literally made out of garbage. Yeah, they really had out here had us. You know, you know what it kind of reminds me of? It gives that Tom Sachs aesthetic, like that experimental make something out of nothing, alchemy, nerdy, you know, J. Crew jeans rolled up. Kiff editorial, Kith Editorial saved in your bookmarks type Bob of the 2020s, man.

SPEAKER_04 46:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Man, Nike shout out y'all, man.

SPEAKER_04 46:21

It's a crazy time. As I think back, mind you, this is six years ago now. Almost six full years. And like I said, that's how long I've really been in the game. This is what I was chasing after, those types of shoes in the beginning. So I like the different silhouettes. And remember, I think I told you I came in on hirachis because I never I never owned a hirachi. So I was like, What I like, they look cool.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

What I like, I know I give you a lot of shit. Um, I know haters give you a lot of shit. Yeah, whatever. Your journey is your journey, though. Like everybody when I call you a sneaker capitalist, it's in jest because you did not enter into the sneaker game to make a profit. When I think about a reseller, I think about a person that feeds their family off buying something for one price and selling it for another. I mean, yeah, because in the sneaker game, people have always traded and finessed and used the discount here. Once you own something, a sneaker, a car, a house, and when you're done with it, whether it's for profit or to recoup some losses, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

Yeah, it's true. Oh, we just lost him. The fuck just happened?

SPEAKER_04 47:31

I paused it. I don't know how long you've been. I am back. Yeah. What were you saying? You said you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. Once you sell it, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Once you purchase something, it's yours to do whatever you want with it. You might not like the idea of somebody getting a product and extorting the price and pricing you out. But at the end of the day, if somebody got something, you don't have to buy it from them. Yeah. Yeah. So when I call you a sneaker capitalist, it's a joke. You bought something, you realize it's going for way more. You can use that to buy something else or whatever. You do what you want. But every shoe that you like has been influenced based off if each wants to buy that shit. And that's what I respect. Some of the shit that you have purchased, I look at you and go, This man has an aneurysm growing on his frontal lobe. I would never. But that's you. Like, I and I even respect when you bought something, you go, Man, that shit was whack. What was I thinking?

SPEAKER_04 48:25

I do that all the time. But I did it with those leaf, those leafy shroud shoes. Remember? I thought the leaf thing would be kind of fire, and then I put it on, and I was like, damn, it looked crazy. It looked like I really do have a pile of leaves on my feet. And I took it, I took off the shroud.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

I was like, Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I respect it, man. Every time you cop something from Supreme, I look at some of that shit and go, Ain't no way. I put that on my body.

SPEAKER_04 48:47

See how it looks, looks how it drips on the body, it looks great. But I don't wear a lot of this stuff, I don't have time, nor do I go outside that much.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

So it's like But that's a whole different podcast episode in itself. Cause I watched a guy, he had an immaculate collection. They was like, bro, how many pairs do you think you have? He was all like, probably like 800. And I'm like, even if you wore two pairs a day, you wouldn't get through your entire rotation, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 49:10

And then which, yeah, I'm I'm I'm up there too. And Drew's up there too. And like he was saying on the blast pod, like he's going through his stuff. He's like, damn, why do I have doubles of this and this and this? And I haven't even worn one of these pairs. And in my head, like for me, it's more so I'll I'll cop doubles of things understanding the economics of it. But will I put it on my feet? I don't know, because I don't have time to put everything on my feet. And when I like undefeated fours, right? Like we're like I said, I had like three or four pairs. I didn't even know I I could read I could just sell a couple of them now and make a little bit of money just to get rid of them, right? But I know the marketplace will go up on those at some point, regardless of what happens. But like that's what's keeping them in my collection. But at the same time, I'm like, I just need to get rid of shit. And then I'm looking at some of the things that I have, and I'm like, damn, what the fuck? And then you know, I I sold I sold some of my Supreme, I like some of the Supreme that have listed, and it goes for money. I'm just like, okay, I'm probably not gonna wear this. I'm not gonna wear that, I'm not gonna wear that. People buy it because they missed out. So I'm giving somebody else joy because they're gonna put it on their body, and yeah, there's one thing I'll tell you, it's a lot of stuff I missed out on.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

If the resale market didn't exist, I shit out of luck.

SPEAKER_04 50:16

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's like the crazy part about it all is with all of this stuff, um, and this is I try to rationalize in my head, like I always get it back, but it's it's gonna be tough to want it back because you know that you paid the low for it or retail or even got it on the low, it's hard to say, oh, I'm willing to pay a thousand dollars for it later when it's up at a thousand dollars, even though you have the capital to do it. Like if I had the capital to do, like like like Travis Scott, the Mocha ones, the first the OG, the Lowe's, I sold them for$750. Cause I need number one, like that was the first thing I ever hit on Nike sneakers. My first time on Nike sneakers, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

That is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 50:59

First time I ever got on Nike sneakers, I hit on Travis Scott's. I didn't know what I had. I'm like, oh, this is cool. I'm seeing her sell them for$750. And then the price was dropping. And I was like, I gotta get rid of these, man, because I'm not gonna wear this shit. I don't even like Jordan 1s or what I never heard of. I got rid of them. Now they're worth three grand, right? I have the fucking um fragment ones, the Lowe's. I'm just sitting on those. I wouldn't wear that. I like Jordan 1s, but I do not care for that shoe at all. But and I could sell it for two racks right now if I wanted to, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:31

Tim Tim Cook made me hate Travis Lowe's. I know that's so random, but every time I see him wear a pair, I go.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

I think the culture itself is just so enamored with this shoe because when it comes out, the price point is good. They do make a decent amount of pairs. I don't think they're they're hard to find. But the fact that when people get them for retail, that they put them right on toe. The fact that they're um the people like like real sneakerheads and stuff, put it right on toe. And then other people, the the the uh the people who wear fakes and all that shit, they're willing to buy them on the cheap and they look exactly alike. And then the celebrities are willing to buy and resell for any price because they want to be cool. Travis Scott's. That's why them shit sell for two grand. Yeah, I don't like the shallows.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

Yeah, like I like the fact that it's something that anybody could take part in and feel special. It's just you see it so much or you see it style in certain ways. I personally don't care how a person wears their shoes as long as they're happy, but that don't mean I gotta like it. Yeah, and you gotta think, yo, like for me. Oh, go ahead. No, and I was about to say, in the case of Tim Cook, he's on Nike's board. So of course he's gonna be. Even if he did wasn't on Nike's board, you think he's tripping about a resale price?

SPEAKER_04 52:42

Yeah, nobody over there's tripping about resale prices. Yeah, they all don't give a fuck about that shit. It's it's more or less, you know, the we gotta look at it, you know, that's how I rethink all this stuff with sneakers and everything. Like, it's it's gotten to the point with me where I just want everything that I want. And and it's like I want everything. Because I like if I get these, like last week, right? I want to talk. I spent about two twenty five hundred dollars on sneakers in the la last two weeks, I think. Matter of fact, that's a nice segue to pick up is what did you get? Oh, well, no, I'm talking about just okay, so I got two pairs of them, Easter joints. I think I talked about that last week. Easter forces Easter threes. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

He has risen. He has risen.

SPEAKER_04 53:31

That's a dope shoe. Y'all I showed it to y'all last episode. So um let me see what came in. Oh, the Nike Mines. I think I told you all about that last week. They just came in, they'll look pretty dope. The price on those is the no, no, no, the slide. The slide. Yeah, the green ones. Oh, the green ones. Yeah, yeah. Um, prices on those are dropping. I had it set right before I got it, I had it set up there for 260. Pairs are telling them for 280. No, I had to add it 280. And then I dropped it to 260, and then people kept undercutting, undercutting, undercutting. It's almost below 200 now. Because all the undercutting. So they did make a decent amount of these, and people are getting them. They're gonna go to way to rejuvenate soon. It's only be patient.

SPEAKER_02 54:09

Be patient.

SPEAKER_04 54:09

Remember when people how much are people paying with rejuvenate?

SPEAKER_02 54:12

People were paying crazy. Man, me, we were actively sending each other links when they were dropping. Oh, yeah. Remember that.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

I ended up, I mean, you end up getting, you didn't like it, right? The yeah, I just sold them recently. I never wore them. Did you sell it under retail? Nah, it was I used them for credit to get something nice. Oh, okay. I ended up okay, so these things are at 230 right now. So I just I want to offload them. I'm gonna do a a video on them. But they're sitting at 230. They're charting, I guess it's bouncing back up. Uh, because I saw pairs going for like 215 or whatever, so all the undercutting must be done. And now the marketplace is settling, but I think they're gonna sell around 250, like the other ones. The fragment ones are going crazy. Yeah, but still. I mean, it's it's dude. I've never seen these on anybody's feet, retail or resale. I I'm the only one that wears these. The shoes, I wear them outside, nobody says nothing. Because it looks like a regular ass shoe. The only time you can see is the little under-orange thing. Um, so that's one pickup. Oh, so other pickups. I did another pair of union fragment ones.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

The um I saw you posted that in the chat.

SPEAKER_04 55:17

Oh I didn't even want that. I didn't even know I had I forgot I put like I put that that bid in when I thought I didn't win the raffle. So it's it's been sitting ever since. What was it? 280. 280.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

I think it's not bad.

SPEAKER_04 55:33

A little under 280. I think it's yeah, 280.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

It was going to storage or it's coming to you?

SPEAKER_04 55:38

It's coming to me because I it was under retail. I at the time they were selling for three something, but I was like, all right, the market's gonna. If you hadn't had a pair already, or if you was like, nah, I don't know. I want a second pair. 280 is not bad. Retail was 205. Yeah, I end up paying 280. Yeah, with shipping and hand. No, I'm sorry, no, whoa. I paid 251. I had a bit of 250.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Oh, brother, you can't be mad at that.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

Yeah, so all it all in with shipping and taxes 285.89.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

Oh, that's you pay retail essentially.

SPEAKER_04 56:09

Uh retail with shipping, yeah. If we got them from union, yeah. No, a little bit. It's 250. So 30 bucks over over man. Put that thing in the stacks, let it collect some dust for a year. This fake one. I'm pretty sure that's fake. I'm gonna wear it because the kids are coming from overseas. I'm gonna say, where wear the one that you think is fake instead of the one that's real later. I will at some point, but I'm gonna wear these when I get them. Uh, and I still got my blue ones, which I got a really good deal on. Would I pay for those? Two 390s, something 380.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

They're yeah, they're comfortably getting into the 6700s.

SPEAKER_04 56:41

And they're they're not even the good pair.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

I can't, I can't look. They don't look good on feet. To me, whenever I see them on feet, I'm like, what the fuck is that shoe?

SPEAKER_02 56:50

I will say that stark contrast of white plus the material of the ankle collar. If you don't have them on the right pants, it's distracting.

SPEAKER_04 57:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

But if you throw some pants over the ankle collar, man. Then what's the point?

SPEAKER_04 57:04

This is a royal, then, right? But if you don't have royals, that's the point. If you don't have royals, aren't they retro in this year? So they say, I've yet to see the image. And then you got the the um the suede royals, which I actually like, which I have to put a pair, I have a couple pairs of those.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

Um if you got those uh reimburles for the 70, 80 bucks, then you you should you alright. I paid for being happy with the purchase.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

I paid retail.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

But nah, man, I think I think the royal ones are, especially when you throwing them purple laces. There's something about ones with purple laces this year. You got those and you got the Alaska Draw ones. You throw those purple laces in those.

SPEAKER_04 57:37

I don't know about purple and these, I don't know. Game changer. We'll see. I just don't. You you already wore your uh your royal fragment unions, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:46

I haven't worn both pairs of those fragment ones, a disrespectful amount. I'm getting my money's worth. It's dope. Well, I got those. They might share a spot, but they're gonna be in the top ten for the end of the year. Stamping it right now. Those and honorable mention to the Alaskas.

SPEAKER_01 58:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

Which was a pickup for me.

SPEAKER_04 58:10

Very nice. I want those, but very happy with them. There's no more ways to get them unless uh Nike puts a hit me up after the show.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

Uh send me your WhatsApp and have PayPal ready.

SPEAKER_04 58:21

Now they might smell funny and the box won't be flat, but you won't get I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna put my little bit in when I see because people start getting their VAA pairs, Mark on dip, but I think that's gonna be a shoe just like the Royal Union fragments.

SPEAKER_02 58:41

Get them relatively quickly. Oh, yeah, I will.

SPEAKER_04 58:44

Because they're gonna come back, they're gonna shoot back up. I don't mind paying like 400 for those because I know what that's a great price. I don't know. I shouldn't be buying them, you know. I'm parting ways with eight, nine hundred bucks at this moment is not the best thing for me, but whatever. It's it's it's for virtual, it's for virgil resellers. And I got some Supreme coming in. I bought a couple of hoodies, which I think I talked about last week. I didn't get nothing on the um drop. You got anything else besides what you got? Oh whatever you I mean, you're surprised what you talk about.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

Oh, yeah, I got awake fives. So I went to a local spot and I had a ton of clothes that was just sitting around. They were on their way to Goodwill, really. Somebody was gonna make out. But with all the stuff piled up, it was like, hey, you got a ton of credit. And I ended up grabbing the awakes. Once I got them, I'm they're immediately going out the door for something else because I didn't feel anything.

SPEAKER_04 59:43

Now, I mean that was a shoe that was hyped up too much, and people think you see through the big sell dudes.

SPEAKER_02 59:48

If I sell something, it's to get something else, and I didn't want to walk out of there with nothing because I had a bunch of credit, so that's what I got. But when I got them home, I was like, why did I do this? Like it did work because the alternative was I was about to dump a box of clothes to Goodwill, but and it's the blue race of blue pair, to be specific. That's the better pair, in my opinion. The pink ones are are cool, but I've got black metallics, I've got off-white, and I plan on for nostalgia say getting the UNC. I ain't no reason I need these racer blues. No reason. They're not a bad shoe if you like them. They're not a bad shoe, even if you don't, as far as like craftsmanship and stuff like that. But the way that they were breaking through people's top ten lists of the year, I wonder if their energy's still the same. Did they do Spider-Man drop already with Supreme? They did, right? I I know last week was a Ghost Ghostface. I know they did the Spider-Man T already. Oh, the Ghostface? Oh, Ghostface Arc thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:57

The Ghostface um hat and shell jackets was last week. Oh yeah, let me put this. I'm sorry, I'm looking at it, it's not even on the screen. That was last week, this thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

Ghostface stuff dropped last week, if I'm not mistaken. I didn't see these. I'd have bought this.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:13

I don't know about that. I'm talking about the uh the shell jackets.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

Wait, shell what the fuck? I don't know what you're talking about. That's Vance. Oh, this is just random. Where the fuck is the uh oh here, spring 2016. I mean they say left to drop, so that means that didn't drop.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:29

But these are the yeah, that jacket.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

This joint. Wait. To the right of the spider jacket. Oh, this one here.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For those not watching at home, we're talking about the rain jacket with ghost face and the bloody knife hit on the back. Oh, that's kind of fire. I wouldn't wear this outside though. I'm about to say, as a screen fan, I'm talking about a hardcore directed by Wes Craven, written by Kevin Williamson, starring F. Campbell, Scream fan. Would not wear that. You put out another pillow next week? You mean this week? This week? I'm gonna go for this. They have some zip-on and off cargo pants that I was like. I'm I'm a cargo pants guy. I love cargo points. So I'm gonna grab those. Drew always talks about how good Supreme pants are, and I don't think I own a single pair of Supreme pants after I had those ballerina reflective Gore-Tex pants from like last year.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:35

This toaster's still sitting, it's tempting, but I don't really toast that much bread.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Yeah, I'm not the type of person that's gonna need a Supreme Toaster. I'll just regular, get a regular toaster, bro.

unknown 1:02:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:47

I might get these Spider-Man undies. Switch it up a little bit. Not the closet, surprise the wife.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

I'm about to say I'm 33 years old, so me wearing Spidey drawl is out of the question.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:58

It's always fun when you change it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:01

I got a web shooter, but I don't need my drawers to reflect.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

If my wife sees me in like a bright pair of underwear, she's like, oh, I like those.

unknown 1:03:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

Bet you do. No comment. I respect that woman. And her mother follows me on TikTok, so I'm not gonna say that.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:16

Her mom follows everybody. She just started hitting follow on everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:19

Shout out mom, man. Shout out, shout out Raised by Her podcast. If y'all don't watch it and y'all want the female gays, or if you are a woman, all two of them that listen to this, check out Raised by Heard, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:31

There are some there are some women that listen to it. This is kind of dope, reversal phone. Why do they put out all this wintery type shit in the springtime and summer collection? They they do that a lot. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

And most of the Supreme's flagship stores, if not all of them, are in warm climates. That's what came out last year, last week. The screw stuff. Look out. I didn't get a jersey. I'm upset. I need to get one. I'll tell you what I bought if I could find it. It's not on here. What do you feel about them tapping Joel Santana for the USA brand of stuff?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:03

So they did that, they did that twice, right? They did it for him when they did the hoodie back in the in 2016, I think. I mean, they bit the whole aesthetic that he he that that whole custom suit he was wearing in that dipset video. So yeah, let him model it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:18

I'm mad at it. We're gonna get a photo tea part two. Let's do it. That'll be dope.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

I don't think they ever redo photo teas. Bring back people. That could be the first. I never I want one of the Arabics. These these came out already, didn't they? Always wanted to buy one of these. I never do. I got the hat. That's dangerous for you walking around in uh Ohio with that on. I don't give a fuck. Um, this is dope. Power generator. Supreme. How much is that? Price on this yet? This is all new shit, huh? That's something functional. Yeah. I wouldn't criticize you for buying that. Because it does what it does. But you like the microphone, huh? I want the microphone. I didn't even see it. Oh, you didn't see the microphone? It's the same one I'm using right now. Uh, but it's a supreme one. Look at oh, is that a money machine? This is a bunch of. Oh, this is dope. Yeah, that's a lot last week. I got one of these a real like uh the this brand too, bug assault thing. Yeah, it really kills spiders and flies. Yo, you could shoot a fly out the air with this bitch. It just like guns it down for real, for real. These things are useful.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

Get that for the summertime.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:23

It's for shooting down, but you don't shoot at people, bro. It'll hurt people. I meant like flash. The cookout. Yeah, it's it's good shit. I thought that was a sim card or a credit card or something. Yeah, I got something. Oh, here it is. This is the microphone.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:36

Yeah. 2016 through 2021, especially with everybody starting a podcast. This would have went quadruple platinum in the hood. Oh, it still is.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:45

I mean, people are still trying to be podcasters and shit. Look at us failing at all. I mean, some people built for it, some aren't.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:54

I always tell people they'd be like, Man, what made you do a podcast? I'm like, me and my friends talk shit all the time. Might as well record it and have people watch it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Yeah. And it's it's it's stude. Like, I mean, I did all the hard work building up a social media following. So I'm just here talking shit. Like, why would I not do this? Might as well capitalize on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

All the time to all my aspiring young entrepreneurs out there that's trying to make their way through school, you're gonna masturbate anyway. Just record it. Go ahead and log into OnlyFans. You're gonna do it anyway. Now have people pay you for it. Right. You can spend all that money to get your feet beat, manicured, and prettied up. Take a picture of it and get some bread.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:37

I know what I bought. Oh, yeah. Let me show I'll show it goals. It's probably still sitting on the site. So I did buy um. It's not on here.

unknown 1:06:48

Supreme. Here it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:49

You know what I'm starting to wonder as well? The retention of Supreme. Because I was thinking about, for example, the screw jersey. And a lot of my local shops that were used to get Supreme and post it, I found like, and now this is just me speculating. A lot of people are getting this stuff and holding on to it because I'm not seeing it on platforms too heavy. I got this. The S. Yeah, I always wanted one with a little devil on it. Yeah, yeah. It'll be cool if they did a uh fit it with the actual like indentations of the horn with some Playboy cardy shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:22

They haven't done that yet. They don't they haven't done the yes. Oh, yeah, like the uh anybody bought one of these. I think I bought the white one. Yeah, that's that for a while. You know when you go. Yeah, half zip. No, it's not, it's a full zip. Oh. Looks like yeah, I think it's a full zip. That's I wouldn't buy a half zip. That's crazy. I don't like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:39

Well, half zip's you get a half zip, a fitted, and some matcha.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

This is fire.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:44

You're basically a scene kid at that point.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:46

This is fire. I think it's respectable. I'd wear this outside. Like it's not too. I mean the logos are subtle. They're they're they're eye-catching.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

That navy one, cool. I like that one. The what? That navy one.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:00

Oh, the navy one. Yeah, I was looking at that one. This one's still sitting too, right? Yeah, they're all sitting. What's the cost? 190. 198. It's not too bad. Man, if it was in that sweet spot of that 160. I mean, what's the difference, bro? Anyway. Oh, you were saying about what were you saying about the um like resellers holding it on? Retention? Retention, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:22

Yeah, um, it used to be I missed out on something. I could find it relatively easy at shops, but now I'm really seeing people keeping pream and putting it on bugs.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

You know what? Now don't, bro. Remember we were sending around pictures of the damn Nardoir sneakers? This goes perfect with the Nardoir sneaker. This is the this is the sweatshirt you wear with the Nardoir. Matchy matchy, but I ain't mad at it. It's not matching. It's just the it's just the lettering.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

It's not obnoxious, but yeah, I see.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:55

That's just the lettering. It's not it's not obnoxious, yeah. But it fits that. Is that green? It's green, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:01

The tartan print.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:03

Tartan. Isn't that what the yeah tartan? I see it. I see the Catholic school girl skirt print. That's fire. I mean, it is what it is, but you know. Now I missed this. I should have bought one of these. I would probably went with the blue one. Or the black. The black would be too matchy matchy.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

Actually, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

Yeah, I'd go with the black. There's so many different colors on that shoe that you couldn't go wrong with any of them. The gray? Nah, the camo. The camo's still sitting, should I just get it?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:36

Well, no, it's it's that's new. It's called nice. Nah, I'm not gonna get that. Nah, the camo. Every time I buy camo stuff that's not a jacket or pants, or buy like a camo hoodie or whatever, it just looks like like it just doesn't fit look great on my body. I don't know why. Maybe I'm too Oh shit, the DJ Screw statue is still available. Ain't no way. Oh no. Well, it's usually says sold out then. Nope, still no, you're you right to sold out. I know that's gonna I don't know what the I mean look, all respect to DJ Screw, but they could have done a better job with this. They always do this with like when they did the MOP collab, they didn't do they didn't put a good effort into it, in my opinion. I bought all that stuff. They still got the ATM?

unknown 1:10:14

Nah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

No, they don't. The three that they made.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:18

I ain't gonna hold you though. They should have put one in every flagship store. The Supreme Bags. Oh, these these aren't sold out yet. I might go get another one. I like this color. I bought I bought this one, the black one here. It's funny. How backpacks, yo, like I be thinking about backpacks all the time. How much, you know, I don't know if you when you was in school, if you was a Jan Sport kid or whatever. Like when your mom's North Face, that was North Face back then. Okay. Yeah, Jan Sport was a flex back in our day. Not day, whatever. But uh spending$168 now on a backpack seems like a good deal for some reason to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

Man, do kids even carry books to school anymore?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:59

I'm just saying, no, I mean as an adult, like as an adult that would use a backpack, because I bought like business backpacks that have like phone chargers in it and like secret compartments you can put shoes and like$300.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:12

And then I don't even like and it's bulky and I don't like it. And now I went very minimal. Well, I still have it. This is the um remember I bought I bought the the denim joint. So this is so fire, yo, the denim supreme joint.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:22

That looks like a kid's backpack, like a dengue one because it's denim. Not like size-wise, but I'm saying with the denim aesthetic, it makes it look like really the type of bag that a kid just come in the house and just throw on the ground.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

It is, it is, it feels good. I like carrying it's very small. I've carried it on two trips already, and I love it. I love it. Not mad at it at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:40

So I need to get another backpack. But I remember I've been so turned off from Supreme bags, not for quality or anything like that. It's just the fact that PTSD from those days where all you saw was Supreme shoulder bags.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:56

I fell into that trap, yo. Or the fucking crossbody. I got a couple of crossbodies, crossbody and waistbags, man. What a useless item. Like, I keep thinking about when the crossbody fed as was it. I was like, okay, I started carrying very little things in my pocket. Like, I went down to a very small wallet. My phone is the biggest thing in my pocket. Other than that, a handkerchief, or I don't even carry keys. Everything I have is like fingerprint or or or even my lock on my door. It's all digital, whatever. You know, no keys at all. I used to carry a bunch of keys. But now it's just a wallet and my um my handkerchief and my damn phone. So whenever I do a crossbody bag, it's sometimes when we travel, but even then it gets too teen. I'd just rather have a backpack. You know what I mean? Put more stuff in. Carry tricks.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

I'm traveling. I might have a crossbody bag if my main bag is like if I do a weekend trip and my all my stuff can fit in my backpack, my crossbody might be the thing I need essentially. Um, with me, my EDC, my everyday carry is phone, wallet, these keys on a key ring, so I hook them on a belt or something. Airpods.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:09

This might be something though. Prayer. That's it. That's all I need. I had some Nike bags like this that I use. They're actually pretty cool. I don't know if I need another thing. I can just use my Nike bag.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:20

But this is cool. I go minimalist with backpacks because they they're strictly for utility. Uh uh branded one would be cool if the price is fair. But Murce. Uh I'm not Indiana Jones. I ain't carrying the sashle. I'm good. This is a MRS, the man, sir, man, purse.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:39

But it's just so much times are changing because back in the day, none of this stuff will be available. Here's a little literal because they do the same thing every season. Everybody has this shit. Every season you can go look and find the same fucking thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

But once again, though, I gotta respect that because for the people who always missed out, now's their chance to finally, you know, put their money where their mouth is. It's kind of like when they do the forces. They'll drop this. Boom. At one point, seeing those white forces with them Red Supreme Laces, it was uh an epidemic, and now it's just like it's a subtle flex.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:11

Alright, that's all I wear is is Supreme Forces. I have like four pairs. Every time they drop, I buy another pair.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:16

I'm still rocking the first pair that I opened, but it's to the point I'm gonna probably get some one day. I think when I was gonna get them, the good enough collab drop, and I got those, and I was like, yeah, I'm cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Those are underrated. I like those.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:32

Mm-hmm. Do they have anything on here accessory one? Let's see. They got shoes, shirts, t-shirts. You better than me. Once once the initial drop on Thursday happened, I'll never spin a blog until next week. Yeah, but they got some stuff. Look at these shorts. Supreme better watch out. You got pilots coming with their Nike collabs. These sold out, didn't they?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:50

Oh, these sold out.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

Okay, these are DJ Swords.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:52

Yeah. Those are kind of dope, actually. I mean,$118 for just a small logo joint. Come on, man. Go to Marshall's and get you some Wilson's Anta, whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:06

Yo, Anta, let's go. Anta X Supreme win.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:09

Uh-huh. Oh, yeah, that'd be a dope collab. That would suck. Oh, that's uh DJ Screw's thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:15

Yes, screw it up crew. You better get your uh screw knowledge, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:22

I'm good. I mean, I'm not I'm not funny. I used to listen to the music though. Maybe I should get one of these to match my fucking. I don't know what color I bought though. I forgot. How did you forget, bro? You bought I think I bought the gray one. Should I get should I be matchy matchy and get the don't ask me about matchy matchy? All rights reserved on that one. I should get a purple. This would be different. But if I get the green, this this means I have to wear the whole sweatsuit. Because I do have some pants that Supreme pants that actually match this. Don't do that. Don't be a mannequin, bro. Not a mannequin. Alright, so you don't think you can match a sweatsuit top to bottom? You wouldn't do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

If me and Wu Tang are about to record something for the 36 Chamber. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:05

Oh, come on, man. It's like a sweat.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:06

Come on, you want to wear like a hoodie and matching sweatshirt? I mean, that's the whole way you're supposed to rock that. But I'm not about to be out here when my man pulls out the iPhone. I mean, depending on that in general, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:21

I'm not. And not flicking up for anything and that's a fit like that, but it's comfortable. It makes sense. And and and I feel like right normies will look at that and be respect it as a good fit, a normy would. Especially if it's a name brand joint.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:37

You know, when you come out with a whole polo. Something about how I wear sets that I don't want to look like I'm coaching little league. So I've never intentionally bought a full like it was a point when I was younger, yeah. I had the full Nike Tech on that central sheet shit. But that's when Nike Tech was brand new, and that was like a statement piece. Um and there's nothing wrong with people who wear full suits. I just know how I dress. It doesn't, it's not the most flattering on me. So I don't do it. But like when I'm making a run to the mailbox, trash can, UPS, like I said, to get that pizza, which I'm probably gonna get tonight. Man, pizza sounds cool. My draw is clean. I don't give a fuck with that on.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

Wait, do you have a short torso or a long or a proportional one? I I mean I think I'm like super symmetrical.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:27

Okay. I'm trying to see a lot of times like a homie might have a brand and they'd be like, yo, style this for me real quick. And I'll be like, cool. I think the only thing about me that's like, damn, I didn't notice is my wingspans are real long.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:40

You do look like you have a long wings. I noticed that in one couple.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:43

That's why I size up in hoodies and long sleeve shirts because my biggest pet peeve is seeing my my wrist knob, bro. I hate that. Yeah, I hate that too.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:51

I don't have long arms.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:52

Maybe I do, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:53

But I just I always say not, I always get the uh I get that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

I've been tilt my legs long as shit, but I'm also six feet, so I'm like it's proportional. People say that because my dad's taller. I'm my dad's six three, and I'm like an inch shorter than him, but I feel like I'm just six feet. It's just it's probably your arms, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:14

Whenever I see pictures of like you, I always think that you're taller, or you're just standing next to real short people. That could be it, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:21

I got some short furnish. I got some short fringe. It's my strategy to look cooler.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:27

You always gotta look cooler. I try to. I was always I always end up looking whenever I flick up in pictures, I always end up looking sloppy as fuck. Because I just don't, you know, like my shit gets wrinkled or something. I just get annoyed with it. I'm not gonna buy that that stupid beanie. I'm never gonna wear it. I'm not gonna wear it. I just thought about it. I was like, it's got like devil horns and shit. Like, what the fuck am I gonna do with that? I'm already wearing a jacket that got the devil horn on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:49

We don't I think going forward, especially as we teeter to the old heads in the community. Before we hit checkout, we gotta start saying, What the fuck am I doing with this?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:00

Talk wait, hold on. You got you, you that's you're talking to the wrong podcast person about that. Talk to the homie Drew about that. Why he is a walking, like, he's still I I I like he dresses. I'll say this. If he was a 20-year-old skater kid, he's the best dressed skater kid I ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:21

Oh, you can tell, yeah, you can tell how he was raised. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

No, I appreciate the fact that he's like, fuck it, you know, but at the end of the day, you know, we 50, we push, he's pushing 60. And he was pulling that off.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:35

Last week said, Whoa, you're 50.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:38

Damn, man. I'm gonna be 47 this year. Uh now I'm 47. Yeah, somebody gave me a good compliment today. I was on a on a conference call and I was like, Yeah, I'm about to be 47 in June. They were like, Oh my god, I thought you were like 35. I'm like, yeah. Back, you know, like five years ago, people would have said I look 25. Thank you, I guess. But I didn't, you know, when I what dude, when I when I dye the beard, when I do the jet black on my beard.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:05

Oh, don't do jet black. You're gonna look like an Andy Super villain. Oh, I do the jet black, bro. Jet black? Oh man, that's gonna be wild.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:12

I gotta funny. I do it all the time. You guys just don't know this. Uh, but it's a funny story. But I have to double, like, dude, the beard. Uh I need to get that Beijing shit that R. Kelly used to put in his hair because I use regular, like, just for men, and the jet black, I have to apply it like three times for me to get that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:28

Beijing shit. That's that's that, that's that Jalen Brown. I've seen people at my job get that.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:33

Dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:33

Like in my old job, like it was an old cat who would get it, and we'd be like, bruh, don't lean your head on shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:40

Yeah, it doesn't stay in your beard long. And and it's like, um, you can sweat it out easy, I heard, if you don't get a good one. But the regular jest for men. Fresh out the keto. Hey. No, but the the regular Jess for men that you get from like the CVS or whatever, I have to apply it like three times for me to get a good jet black now. Because I have so much gray in my beard. Like it's starting to come out. Like I just died, when was it? End of March. So the the gray is starting to grow. My my I'm beyond the salt and pepper. I'm more gray, I'm more salt than pepper now. So yeah, I don't got those problems with that. But I mean, you're still a young man. When I was your age, I had the same thing. Then a little little thing started poking out, little things started falling out here on the top of the head. You said that little thing started poking out. What happened? Poking out, poking out. Uh, yeah. Well, I I look, we got one more thing to talk about, in my opinion, because I said this is on the topic list.

unknown 1:21:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:34

Kanye, he's back. He is back, like literally back. I want to have a real discussion without haters in the room. The bully is back. The bully is back, yeah. So I didn't want to, you know, in your opinion, he never left. I've been saying this. I've been saying this. Look, you don't count a winner out, yo. Kanye, no matter what the fuck he does, he's gonna win. Doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? And and and it's like I respect, look, look, I'm not I'm I've already said it in many things. I've looked past all the controversies. Uh the man definitely has mental issues. We've known this for years. For years, you know. But the mass appeal, the way he brings people together with the music and how he can yo, I saw like people who I thought who I know are just like dumb MAGA supporters reposting his shit. Like on some like, yo, he did touch the sky, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:31

Like, this is how he's impacting, he just doesn't say because a lot of people I know personally went to Sofar to go see his show. And it clicked with me that one of my homies, Coda, is in his early 20s. And from him standing from traveling to standing in line to cop emerge to connecting with people to jumping around and singing the songs word for word. And I looked at the people he was with, and I'm like, yo, these are kids. This guy, whether you hate Kanye, love him, indifferent, coping with the fact that he wore a clans outfit, all that stuff, this man is really actively still capturing people. And it and and and I'm saying this from an objective standpoint. It was just like, wow. Cause somebody like you who grew up with Kanye, you were you were comfortably in your adult years when all falls down and stuff like that was out. My early 20s, yeah. Yeah, with me growing up with Kanye, literally watching Touch the Sky on MTV, watching the stronger video and seeing him blend like all that anime stuff I was into with hip hop music, and then the Yeezys came out. Like that was high school for me. So the influence was there, but to see people who yeah, man, I remember my first Kanye album was Yeezys. And I'm like, what? That was your first Kanye album? Or man, the Life of Pablo, Certified Hood Classic. Like, I heard that when I was in seventh grade. I'm like, what did you just say to me? And he's I'm seeing kids even younger than that going on the top five albums of all time, and I'm like, damn, that was like you heard that in middle school, you heard that in high school. Yep. So it's it's something a lot of people hear a rapper being 30 plus and they're like, they're washed. We had that debate in the group chat. The clips is washed, this is washed, these old heads, but Kanye West don't get that same stigma. When Kanye West drops a shirt or relaunch a whole website with$20 apparel and slides and crazy looking news, man, kids are like here for that, man. DJ Clark Kent said it before he passed on the sneak of the year panel. These people look at Kanye West like he's a superhero.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:08

Yeah, you know, and um he sort of is, man, considering the times, man. You gotta look like the world is so fucked up, and somebody with that type of voice who just never gave a fuck from top to bottom, no matter what. Man, you go all the way back to 2002, that's when I got first exposed to him, what he was saying and stuff, just watching that early him just talk and the way the way he just was so confident and and aware. Like he understood his flaws, he understood, you know, how how to move and everything. And there's certain people, and me personally, in my life, uh, from a celebrity standpoint that I look at the same way as Kanye. There's like Larry David, right? I look at him the same way. He's a hero of mine too. Be able, you be able to be, I mean, reach a certain status in life, but also just be able just to speak your mind and you know, be aware of everything that's around you, and you know, say, oh yeah, I was wrong, whatever, and just keep it moving. And none of us are like that. People have too much pride, and people have too much, you know, um, they just want to hold things back. You're starting to see some of the older celebrities become more mindful of of that shit. Like you saw that Jay-Z interview, right? Where he was talking to that kid about the whatever. Like, he was very aware. He was just like, yo, I'm scared of certain things. I I don't think hip-hop battle rap is this or that. Like, he's he's giving real perspective, and mind you, these guys are supposed to be invincible, they're supposed to be braggadocious, all this other shit. But yo, this dude's worth a billion something dollars. He got bigger things to think about than some hood niggas think about him.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:46

So I got another good question for you. Because I know you have state your claim about what's objectively good and bad, especially with you know, people on this platform that we share. When Kanye West was going through his Black Klansmen, how Hitler, White Lives Matter. What did you feel? Did you feel like that was performative? Did you get upset? Like, what was your thought process? I mean, we were doing this podcast act then, right? It was last year, right? Yeah, but I'm you know, just we're just circling back because it's it's clear to see that you said Ye's back as if he ever went anywhere. That was you know that's what you're saying. A lot of people packed Ye up when he did that stuff. So what were you thinking when that was happening?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:29

I did denounce it. Um, I did carry it. Remember when I put the put the White Lives Matter up and all jokingly, all that. Um, I honestly well, no, I did buy the White Lives Matter, but I didn't know the Pope was on the back, which makes it kind of dope now, and I kind of want to wear it. But um there's there's him doing all of that stuff just represented him trying to prove certain points in culture. Um the reason. Why he did the Hale Hitler song or The White Lives Matter and all that stuff was to prove a point that he could have probably articulated best in an essay or an interview if he knew how to do it that way. Meaning, look, there is a contradiction. When you say things like Black Lives Matter and all that stuff, and I'm not gonna get too deep into it, but when I saw Black Lives Matter, I thought, yeah, of course. You know, I would logically speaking, of course, Black Lives Matter. As a black man, you wanna align with that, of course. Exactly. I of course, and I understood it, but you people do not think critically about these things. And it's also from a marketing perspective, since I am a marketer, it's bad marketing because you are it's not inclusive. You know what I mean? And his whole thing was hey, we embrace we say nigga all the time, right? As black people. Some most people, a lot of people taking it out of their vocabulary. I know another brother. I'm trying to myself, and I'm only half black. Sometimes I feel like when I'm around a bunch of black people that don't know or don't don't that can't like tell if I'm sure black or whatever. And when I say it, they ultimately, oh, like, you know, I the way I talk, whatever, they get it. Like, okay, I guess you black. Then nobody's ever questioned it. But at the end of the day, I feel like as I've grown into my adult years and seen some of my peers stop saying it, meaning, like, like Sean don't say it like that much. I um a lot of you know, my rapper friends don't say it, you know what I mean? And I'm just like, I'm still one of the people that just says it because I don't know why. It's it was never part of my vocabulary, but my dad also never slapped me in the mouth when I said it either. You know what I mean? So it was just one of those things where it's like the same stigma. Yeah, exactly. My dad never really said that stuff around the house. But I when I started rapping the songs and doing all that stuff in the house, he never questioned or cared, right? And and mind you, it's just whatever. Nobody ever lectured me on it. So I get it though, why you need to remove it and whatnot. But then at the same time, you know, so my hero, Jay-Z, still says it like nothing, right? He says it in his in his music, in the interviews, whatever. And then you got people, you know, that but that just means it's it's it's it's still ingrained in our minds as part of the culture, and it's very acceptable to some. But what Kanye was doing, just going back to him, when he did the Hyle Hitler song, he was doing that just to say, like, look, I'm a black man. Isn't this absurd? Right? But look what he did. It changed the whole perspective of what Nazism and white supremacy stood for. Six months after that song came out, who were the top Nazis on social media? Nick Fuentes, a Mexican kid, Myron Gaines, a Somali refugee, a black man, basically.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:45

Right? Um The Tate brothers, biracial, biracial, black father, white mother. Uh who's the other one? Asian and black.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:01

Five motherfuckers, five or six motherfuckers leading a white supremacy movement based off of the acceptance of Kanye West into that fold.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:14

So you don't see that as a problem?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:16

You don't think Kanye vocalizing that gave them? No, it proves his point. No, his point was that this is stupid. You know what I mean? Mind you, it was it the way he did it was dumb. But the the his his point was like, look, I'm doing this stupid shit, and y'all think I'm a fucking I'm black, I'm black as fuck. Yeah, like you could look you could look at uh every leader in nations, whether it's uh like Mussolini, Hitler, Bill Clinton, fucking Barack Obama or whatever. There's good things you could point out about each one of them, right? From a leadership standpoint, maybe, or policy standpoint, or whatever. Uh obviously Hitler's evil, Mussolini's evil, Barack Obama could be evil. You could you can say, like, oh, Barack Obama did all these drone strikes and deportations. That's a bad thing, right? But also the other guy had a did the Holocaust, and the other guy killed a bunch of his own people too, and then this and that. So you gotta everybody you can look at the flaws in everybody, some more extreme than others. Trump does whatever he does, and you know, even though I hate Trump with a passion, I don't think he's he's good for the world, he's pretty much gonna mark all our deaths at some point with his stupidity if they let it keep going. But what Kanye I feel was trying to do is just point up the absurdity of how we uh say these things and live in these contradictions because his point with Jewish people, too. He know he like he says, Yeah, I'm friends with some Jews, but also at the same time, I understand what this Jewish person, this Jewish person, this person, and this is these these few Jewish people did to me. And now he's putting a broad, he's painting with a broad brush, but now look what's going on, right? Not that he not not off of his word particularly, but he the the things he was pointing out. Oh, the all these people are Zionists now, right? And then they're saying that, oh, they own this, they do that, right? And now all these Zionists are the ones that they hate, not necessarily Jews. This is the same thing that happened in World War II, it's the same thing that happens across the board whenever they persecute the Jew. And it's it it's it's getting to a point where it's like that absurd talk that he's doing is becoming culturally acceptable. And there was a clip of Don Lemon today that I want to bring up, but I'll just break it down. He basically said he compared um Kanye. He's like, why are you people still listening to Kanye? He sold out SoFi and all this other stuff, and um he did all this stuff, and you people still support him. It's like supporting R. Kelly, it's like whatever. And then I and you know, I got in the comments and I wrote a comment and I said, Well, I mean, you on here, you know, obviously that there's Trump people, you know, people don't like Trump, but people still celebrate him or whatever. And it's fine, that's their opinions and stuff. But last time I looked, Kanye ain't destroying the world. Last time I looked, when he performed at SoFi, he didn't do that Heil Hitler song, right? So I'm always feeling like there's there's a point of redemption for certain people, and this is why, you know, if you go back to that podcast where Drew and I were talking about it, I don't think you were there that week. I'm just like, I asked Drew this like bluntly. He's like, I don't know if I could ever forgive, because obviously Drew Drew is Jewish. And I'm like, well, I get it, but at the same time, if you know, if we can't get forgiveness from other humans, then what's the point? You know what I mean? Especially if look, you you fool me once, you know, shame on me. No, he fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. What is you know the saying? Like when you when somebody flips you over to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:45

Shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:47

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:47

Fool me, you can't get fooled again.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:49

Exactly. Yeah, so look, Kanye's never fucked and fooled me. He says what he says, and I already know what I'm getting out of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:57

He's over the easy order. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:58

No, he got they send it eventually. Now he could have fucked me over on that, but I give the charge back from my credit card. I mean, problems get solved on their own if you have the right resources to get them solved. But but like his whole this whole thing that's going on with him and people having these these moral things, like, bro, don't go see him if you don't want to see him. I don't give a fuck. That doesn't bother me. Shit, I'll go because I like you know, and then when you see the clip on social media, him doing that song of Lauren Hill standing on the fucking globe, and then you start singing the shit, and you're like, oh shit, I forgot he did Hal Hitler and these anti-song. Oh, let me turn that off. And you go right back and listen to it again. The shit streamed almost a quarter of a billion the first week's streams, bro. It's gonna be number one next week, and the week after that, all his music's up. People buying his merch still, they let him do a Super Bowl ad. You know, like it's it's he's gonna be performing at the Super Bowl at some point. I have that feeling.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:53

That's uh that's an interesting prediction. We'll have to hit characters.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:56

Well, at some point, look, look, did you think that he would be doing a sold-out stadium in the States again after all that shit?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:02

To be honest, and I'm gonna be 100%. Uh when Kanye West was going on his tirades and stuff like that, I was kind of unplugged. He had lost his Adidas relationship, his stuff was taking forever to ship out, his new music was getting pushed back, pushed back. I had stopped having Kanye West in my radar, not because I was doing any form of activism or boycotting him, I just didn't care. His life was a mess, and I wasn't gonna be a party to it because it didn't affect mine. Yeah. Um, he dropped something. We'll talk about it on the show, but I never heard how Hitler. I have only seen the White Lives Matter gear vicariously through you and maybe through a couple Reddit posts on the Easy Form, a subreddit. It was passive. I didn't hate it and I didn't love it. So I didn't even know until his Mexico shows that he was banned from performing in the United States.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:56

Oh, yeah, they did that. Yeah, they canceled. He was he was set up to do some kind of tour with Donda or something like that, or not Donda, whatever, whatever's out at the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:03

But yeah, he um he he did his apology and then he started apologize.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:09

Oh, when he kissed that rabbi's feet and all that shit, man, they was like, all right, good boy. And but look, look, I don't know what what's in Kanye's mind and all that stuff, but he needs the attention, he needs the fame. That's what fuels him, that's what makes him more creative. This album, and if you give it another listen, I thought you said you didn't really listen to it like that or gave it another. No, I listened to it. All right. I I think it's it's one step closer to him, and people appreciate it more because I listen to it passively because the songs are so short, right? He doesn't that he does it in that modern day one and a half minute, two and a half minute format.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:42

Yeah, he's been on that on that wave since that Kit C Ghost era.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:46

Yeah, I I don't particularly care for it because some of these hooks and stuff are so strong, and I would really love to hear another verse or just sing the hook over again. But like, you know, that's what the repeat button's for, I guess. But it's it sound like the like sonically, it's almost there. They just sound like the songs sound kind of not rushed, but just incomplete. Like there's more, you gotta give me another verse.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:09

And as yeah, I'm I'm about to cut you off, but in the digital music age, one thing he does frequently is revise. So whether you like or dislike Wooly, one thing you can keep in mind is that nine times out of ten, this might not be the final product.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:28

Oh, yeah, he might put it out and there'll be like 10 extra verses and the nine features.

unknown 1:38:31

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:31

Don the and Don too.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:33

They put it out with Deluxe, they already said they're putting out a deluxe at some point, so there's gonna be a lot, a lot more. So creatively, I don't think he he's he's he's almost back in pocket, which is great. I love it because I this this bully album, now that I've listened to it a few times, actually I only listen to it four times. And yesterday I was just jamming out to it while I was working, and I was like, damn, this is good. I didn't think it was like just uh he had he did the sped up soul samples, he did the whole like you know, um he did a whole bunch of songs. He just brought, you know, he did a Supremes, um, can't her real love. Now actually, did he sample the Phil Collins? I don't know, like Supremes Phil Collins, yeah, yeah. But the way he did a whole that record is fire, like it just brought me back to them times when I just see him doing shit in the studio and fucking around. And remember, I had said last week, like um some of the stuff that didn't make the album is usually some of the better stuff. And um, in this situation, like honestly, I usually I hear well, back in the day, I used to hear all the Kanye music before it even came out. I used to work at the label or whatever, and I used to, you know, be in the internet in the tranches and in the forums and state grabbing music that leaks. But um, I haven't been keeping up with that. But this this sounds like a bunch of stuff that leaked and and and should have been on the last project or this other project or whatever. And it's it sounds good sonically. Uh, I mean it could have been mixed better, to be honest with you, but he's going, it's really it's really kind of grimy the way it was mixed. It wasn't like you could tell it wasn't done in like a uh pro studio and there's a lot of filtering being done and whatnot to make it cleaner. But it's it's good enough compared to what what he's done, you know, like the stuff he did with um uh um Ty dollar sign and stuff was cool. Yeah, vultures, one and two is like. I totally forgot about vultures for a second. I mean, there's not to me too. I mean, there's even that carnival song didn't it didn't last long with me. Like it got run, but it wasn't like I like Rich the Kid doesn't hit like that for me. Um, whoever else was on the song, whatever. Like already novels, guys. Oh yeah, Playboy Cardi. I never really uh got into that type of music, and I know that gender, that's why that that song popped because their fans loved it. And obviously Kanye always adds on. But uh, nah, I mean this this this is kind of a you know, this there's very few features. It's it's good, it's 18 songs, but really if you think about the format, it's probably more like a strong 10 if you combine songs together, you know, a strong 10, 10, you know, songs you could um count on. So I I'm with it. And and again, I never counted them out. So I'm I'm excited to see what he does in once brands potentially come back to working with him, if they do, or if he does his own thing, you know, yeah. In the UK, yeah. Uh I heard a rumor that Coke is is replacing them, but whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:40

I I think that was like a joke because the first tweet I saw, everyone was like, Coke, you know what to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:46

I mean, look, they haven't kicked them out as the headliner yet. So I think that they're really standing by the cultural meaning of this. Because you know you gotta think about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:56

No, I was saying as far as businesses go, nowadays, man, morals and culture are so great. I mean, look at like you said, the political landscape of the world. People are saying and doing things that morally they would have never thought twice about saying out loud. Um, and based off the numbers and the presence that Kanye West is bringing to SoFi and on streaming, I can see why people would want to not support him because he did say some outlandish things, but from a monetary standpoint, people gotta remember that's what brands and business are about. Money. These companies that have disassociated themselves with Kanye are not disassociating themselves because they believe strongly with their morals and beliefs. They know how bad it would look on one end of the spectrum if they continue to support Kanye. But the other end of the spectrum is yeah, he bringing the revenue right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:48

So they don't care. But do you see, like, I don't know, maybe I'm in a different algorithm than most people, but the out the public, like just normies coming out of the woodworks, just supporting like damn, you know, I want to go to the next concert.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:01

I love the album, and and people giving the most positive light I've seen Kanye West be painted in quite some time.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:08

Yeah. Lauren Hill came out and performed with him. Like, they they there's you know, the culture's starting to embrace him again.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:15

Even Kim Kardashian and before this run at SoFi, they were interviewing her about her skim stuff, and she was like, you know, as far as like heels and women's wear, Kanye is unmatched. Like, she didn't have anything but positive things to say about his comeback in that aspect.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:34

So look, I'm I'm with it. I I all I know is that, you know, look, I've always I've always been a supporter. Uh I do know when my people that I admire when they drop the ball, but I would want them to forgive me. Like if I said something crazy or did something crazy, I'd want my friends and family to forgive me. But also, you gotta understand, like, like what has he done? More people take advantage of him than not. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's crazy and all this other stuff. And uh, but at the end of the day, bro, how many people took advantage of him? Like monetarily, all those people around him during that that that era, like when he was hanging out with them right wingers, you know how much he was paying some of those people just to be around and to guide him towards like uh the his new vision in life? He was paying like Milo, you know, you know that Milo Yannopoulos guy? He paid him a million dollars a year. A million dollars a year, and then they were like he realized, oh shit, what the fuck? Nick Fuentes, all of them, all of them were getting paid. Sneeko, all of them got a check for doing something.

unknown 1:44:40

You know?

SPEAKER_02 1:44:42

That type of guys don't do anything without getting paid.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:44

I know, but you know, but they obviously they want to be around, it looks good for them, the clout, but uh, but they were all getting paid. And and the the crazy part is is that like, yay, people taking advantage of him over the years, you know, artists, not artists and stuff, he's probably fucked over more artists and whatever, but there have been a lot of like people who were they saying that they're in his best interest, not not let you know, not giving him the best advice, and family included. I could say like the Kardashians didn't have the most positive influence on his mental health either. Being in front of that camera all the time and having to you know act that act a certain way for the camera, even though he he kind of liked it but didn't like it at the same time, you know what I mean? So it's a it's it's a tough road being that famous and and wanting that fame too. You know what I mean? That that that really got him that was that was his energy, all of that. And you can see now that he's kind of back in that limelight and he's taking it. I've I've never bro, the clips I've been seeing from that concert, that's the most not not since that show he did with Drake. Uh, you remember that show they did? The the P the on Amazon uh freehoover? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That are you got you getting merch from that? The merch, I got a couple of pieces. I'm merchant. That's like they were doing like the ill-fitting everything, you know, like cropped up hoodies and none of that shit works. The ill-fitting dad caps that look like they've been worn already, even though they're brand new. Bad times. Anyway, yeah, so that's the most like the the these clips I've been seeing from the SoFi show. And I watched it, they streamed it live on Instagram, which was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:15

Oh, you missed it? Yeah, they they it was like 90,000 people watching it on IG at one time. It was probably more. Like in the case.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:22

I'm pretty sure it's on YouTube if I get curious.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:24

I might have to go check that out. It's a good idea. Uh, but yeah, he did all the songs. Lauren Hill came out. Um, yeah, I'm just happy that it right now it seems like he's in a good space until he says something crazy again, which could potentially happen. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:38

There's a good chance.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:39

Yeah, he's been doing his thing. Anywho. Uh, you want to wrap it up? I don't think there's anything sneaker culture wise. That's a good conversation tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:48

Yeah, nah. Dope, dope, dope, man. Um, looking forward to Drew's return. Um, looking forward to contributing to the retro pod.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:56

Oh, yeah, we gotta have you. Well, maybe when we do like uh our next episode, I don't know what we're doing on our next episode. We talked about Chuck Norris on the first one, which is kind of cool. Okay. Uh and we actually came prepared. I had notes and stuff, and I talked about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:10

If y'all have the topics at hand or want me to draft some whenever y'all want to do it. I wanna.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:16

I mean, we should talk about retro sneakers, like the Jordan era. Oh, that'd be a crazy cross promotion.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:22

That'd be a crazy what do you mean? Car from the 12 hope comes to the retro pod to talk uh vintage Nike, vintage Nike campaigns or the signing of Jordan or the air movie, something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:32

Yeah, yeah. I want to talk about like the clothes of the time and stuff. Like people don't the flight suits. Man, I'm with it, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:41

Yeah, I'm not a child of that time, but I'm a student of that time.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:44

Yeah, it was yo, arguably the best time to grow up uh in America, in my opinion. I think my era and even Drew's era, because he they tail in the 70s and stuff. We got to see everything, you know. We get to we still got to go outside and have fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:01

What? Child molesters doing their paper routes and before the internet.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:07

They just lure you to their house now or whatever, or they come over, they come straight over.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:10

Oh man, they'll just they'll just hit you up on the dating app, and then next thing you know, their YouTube channel is waiting for you in the back room.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:16

Yo, that shit's wild. You ever see them shits when they can't?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:19

Who is that bold to set up? I'm I watch those videos frequently. The the Predator catches so embarrassing. It's crazy, bro. Especially when you start reading the chat logs and people taking screenshots of everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:33

These motherfuckers send dick pics to people that they think are 12 years old. I'm like, how the fuck are you that stupid? And why would you even have that conversation?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:40

My favorite ones are either they gotta drive super far to get to them, or they're a grown man, late 20s, 30s, 40s, and they're like, hey, my parents are out of town, you want to come over? Yeah, I just don't have any money right now. I can Uber you. First off, if you do believe that's a child, you're not having any red flags that they have enough resources to Uber you and you're a grown man. Two, you should be embarrassed. You should be embarrassed that that was an of age person and you had to borrow money for them to get an Uber for a booty call, but you doing that to a 13-year-old?

SPEAKER_04 1:49:09

Oh, they embarrassed. Oh, you see these guys? They got some film producer guy. Do you see that? The um that Vitali dude and and uh that muscle built bodybuilder dude that dude, they did they start doing catch a predator videos. They called some film producer that's done, like they said he was a writer for some big TV shows or some show where he doesn't have a job right now, but um he's trying to hook up with some 12-year-old boy or girl or something. I'm about to look it up because I know yeah, Vitali and um the dude who who has the gym and that all the influencers go to in LA. He has a podcast and stuff. He wears a hat. I forgot his name. He always goes to the city. I know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:43

Yeah, most of the time I watch, I watch the Skeeter Gene.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:45

He spends the Jake Paul and all them too.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:47

Yeah, I I watch more of the ones that actually like try to get them convicted, like Jiddy on or Skeeter Jean. Oh, Jiddy. Does he still do that? Yo, he's that's his bread and butter now. Are you serious? Yeah, like he doesn't video. He does like he goes to different states, goes to trials, make follows up on convictions. Like he takes it very seriously, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:09

Remember how he got put on, like when Ninja was big? And he got put on through Ninja. Yeah, he was doing those prank videos and those game videos and stuff. Um he blew up because like what they do. Oh, he had his chat spam Pokemane uh on her stream, and it got him like banned. Not yeah, they banned him off of Twitch for doing that. And then he went viral for trying to get a haircut at the like, what was it, a basketball game or some shit? He was at a WNBA game, and somebody came out and cut his hair. He's a G yo, I love that guy, but he uh he turned Christian and stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:39

He's like yeah, he's he he became religious, yeah. He just got engaged. Man, before the white girl, he would have he was a white girl, he I thought she was eight. I can't remember. I didn't know why I don't know how young he was. When I looked at him, I was like, he gotta be like late 20s. It's because he's like early 20s, he's like 24, 25. No, he's already bald, bro. I don't know if you're balling, yes, bruh. He's like when he he was catching a predator one episode, he was like, How old are you, man? And the dude was like, I'm 30, whatever. He's like, Oh yeah, man, I just turned I just turned 25 myself, man. Praise God, praise God. I was like, Wait, what? You're how old, bro? So he was like 19, 20 doing all this stuff. Yeah, I was like, boy, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's wild.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:19

He looks old. Yeah, he do. Yeah, but you know, he's gonna look like that even when he's like 60 something, he's still gonna look the same. Yeah, yeah. That's like black people are. Yeah, we get that's so weird. Like there's there's brothers, like my boy Nick. He he looked like he kind of looked like OB Trice, but but he always had circles. He's kind of old looking. Right now, he's he's taking, he's like, um, he's he still smoke weed and stuff, but he's like really into like fitness and stuff now. He looks younger than he did when he was in his early 20s. And then but you could tell he had a hard life. He used to be like a UPS driver, he worked in a warehouse, he did all this crazy shit. Probably wasn't exactly. He wasn't sleeping, energy drinks, smoking weed, all that shit. Yeah, all that stuff, man. Like, just now he's like the picture of health, and he um uh but like he still looks older, but he is older. He's like 42 now.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:10

His age, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:11

He looks like he looks good for his age now, but I think when he's 65, he'll look the same.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:16

He had to grow into his looks.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:18

Yeah, we all gotta look that way. That's just the way like us as uh uh I guess people with African roots. That's just the way we age. Yeah, Asian people. I got the best of both. So I know. All right, man. Well, let's let's uh next week catch up. Good luck on all the uh whatever comes out this week. Uh sneaker wise, we can go over that, but who gives a crap? Trying to keep you updated. Yep. Shout out to Drew, we miss you. Shout out, Drew, bro. Enjoy happy birthday. To Drew or John, John, happy birthday. John, it's John's birthday.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:49

Drew is have friends in the first time.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:51

He has friends over, yeah. And Eddie. Happy birthday, John. Happy birthday, John. Definitely. I still gotta make some more clips from last week. We got some good stuff from last week. I didn't clip up yet. So we're gonna have a lot of good stuff to click on. I still remember everybody's birthdays.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:04

I don't know nobody's birthday. I'm coming up.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:07

June 11th. That's mine. Dang. Okay. Oh, we ain't coming to DC no more, by the way. My wife had a pick up. She was doing something with the Smithsonian, but there was a miscommunication and the whole event got cancelled. Well, her bar she the event's still going on, but she's not invited anymore. Or not going anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:22

Not going anymore. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:23

Yeah, so we were good. That was supposed to be like three days of the trip, and the rest of the time was like gonna catch up with people, but like she was just like, I don't want to go anymore because the thing is not. So I was like, all right, cool. But like save money, don't gotta travel, don't gotta fight. What did he say? Eight eight days of fucking hotel. We were staying at at in in downtown too. So for parking, that would have been like 35 almost four grand for hotel and accommodations. And that doesn't include all the we have to go to this restaurant, we have to go to this one. I'll be probably spending three to four hundred dollars a day on food. In the city, yeah, definitely. Oh, yeah. No, you know I'm going to all the spots. I was gonna take y'all out to dinner. You, Sean, everybody, we're gonna go to my favorite sushi place. I had a I was about to book the reservation. So well, next time, I mean, I do plan on coming up there. I just got a few. You know where to find me. Oh, yeah, I got you, man. We all gotta get together.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:12

When is sneaker con, by the way? I know one's coming up in Philly. I know homies trying to go to that, but I don't know if I'm even a state to go to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:20

No, what about like oh Philly? Yeah. Oh, what's the name? Yemonic's gonna be at the one in Philly. I saw she posted about that. Oh, okay. Well, that might be some incentive. I still gotta go to New York to see her. Yeah, you won't even go, you're not even going to that Baltimore thing. Um, what's that for a Nike SB drop? Oh, not Nike Air Force One.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:39

All right. Well, I'll let you know. I uh hopefully we go up there before the end of the year, maybe the fall. There's a conference I want um to go to.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:46

It'll be uh less hot too. It's gonna be hot in the city this year, so avoid that.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:52

It's supposed to be hot this year, it's still cold here.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:55

Yeah, it was it was it was warm today.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:58

It's freezing here again. It's down to the 40s again. So I don't wanna pool anytime. Anywho. Alright, brother, have a good night. I'll talk to you later.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:09

Thank y'all, 120 members. Thank you all y'all. Good night, people.