Yes, Reddit People: Kobe's Sneakers Did Sit at Outlets?

Is the "Kobe Hype" just revisionist history? We deep-dive into why Nike is losing its grip on 2026.

In Episode 48 of the 12 Hub Podcast, we tackle the controversial Brian Windhorst take on Nike’s declining revenue and the supposed death of the basketball superstar. As resale markets shift, we analyze the "Yachty Wave" of patent leather Air Force 1s and why Reebok Ice Creams are making a sudden comeback. We also settle the Kobe Bryant "Sitting" controversy—separating posthumous hype from retail reality. Finally, we go head-to-head on the LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan legacy, questioning if nostalgia is blinding us to current greatness.

Time Stamps:

00:00 - Why Nike Stock is Crashing: 2026 Market Analysis
02:30 - The Return of Reebok Ice Creams & Board Flips
05:30 - How Lil Yachty Saved the Air Force 1
08:00 - The Truth About Kobe Sneakers Sitting at Outlets
12:15 - Nike Technology Secrets: Who Really Invented Flywire?
23:10 - Brian Windhorst vs. The NBA: Are Players Less Popular?
35:40 - Why Performance Basketball Shoes Fail in Lifestyle
48:20 - How to Resell Sneakers Without High App Fees
53:10 - Nike’s "Runners Welcome" Ad Controversy Explained
1:30:00 - LeBron vs. Jordan: Does Nostalgia Break Our Brains?

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SPEAKER_02 0:01

With a bunch of middle-aged people talking about shit that don't matter, make sure you like and subscribe. Like and subscribe on YouTube. Leave a comment on all of our social medias. And if you're listening to this on the podcast platform, please leave a review. If it ain't five stars, it don't matter. Welcome. Yeah, perfect.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

Yeah. Uh what are we doing? Oh, this is the um 12 Hub Podcast, episode number 40. Let's ha let's uh yeah. Uh Drew is on hiatus. He's got something to do today. Oh, it's his wife's birthday. Happy birthday, Kat. We love you, miss you. Hope you're doing well. It's like her 21st birthday or something. Shout out to Drew and Kat. Check out the Well podcast, check out his YouTube channel. The Drew. He's usually tagged on this stuff on our on our thing. So check out his stuff. He's the guy who does like every SB that ever existed.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Yeah, man. Uh, I didn't realize how extensive it was until he did that TikTok about reorganizing his space. I was like, dude, he's got shoes. Mm-hmm. It was almost like a stock room. If it wasn't a stock.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

No, that's a stock room. He's got way. I thought I had a lot of bullshit. But he yo, he buys like random, he got every random LeBron and all that stuff. And I was like, that's cool. You're a real sneaker collector. But he said he doesn't wear half the stuff. He just wears SBs all the time. That's why I said that. I can imagine trying to wear all of that stuff. It's hard to wear, especially when you buy random shoes. Like I bought some like low-top reebok uh Club C pumps that Chinatown Marketplace made once. And I like them. I can't find them for the life of me. I want to try them one day. They look pretty dope. But they're Reebok pumps on a Club C.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

That's a brand I haven't heard from in a while.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

I remember last time. No, Chinatown Market. Well, they're not Chinatown marketing markets.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

But uh yeah, man, they were everywhere, especially during the pandemic. Oh yeah. I was outside with that shit all the time. I love their stuff. I I have like all their balls, pause. Remember they did the smiley face balls? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

I think they really lost a lot of brand recognition when they changed their name.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

Yeah, that that was uh politics though. People were like, you're not the guy's not Chinese. I think he's like Filipino or some shit. Damn.

unknown 2:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

And you know, people got all so he's like, I'll just change it. Now there's shit to Nordstroms. Like that shit's right next to um uh what is it, ice creams and stuff in Nordstrom.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

That's something we gotta talk about on this episode is the return of the reebok ice cream, the board flips.

SPEAKER_03 2:42

Is that a that's a that's a thing? Oh wow. I don't care personally. I just no one clicked this out. Um yeah, you know, Pharrell's um shoes were rebuck are coming well, Pharrell Nigo shoes with Reebok are coming back out, and uh people are active on I saw that there was a little bit of of of uh of a social media pop about those things, but I don't think I mean I don't I don't know. I I that was a while ago, right? That was like a month or two ago, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Well, they had a pre-order. Well, first they rolled out at ComplexCon limited run, then Don Tolliver launched a pre-order, and now they're having a proper release. Now I knew this was a little bit before your time when you were interested in sneakers, so this was definitely like a Drew segment.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Um, but for nostalgia and the fact that I never had them growing up, if they're if they're attainable, I wouldn't mind getting a pair.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

I mean, I might get them, but I don't know, I'm never gonna wear them. They remind me of you know, like those Yachty shoes and all that stuff. And you notice, you know, we got some good stuff to talk about, but I want to I want to tell people, have you noticed since those Yachty shoes popped last year? Now Nike, didn't they didn't the last couple of last few weeks they've been putting out patent leather Air Force Ones all the time? And they've been selling out, they've been selling out, you know, and it's it's a movement. Air Force Ones never leave, but they uh when they do the random colorways, now they're starting to hit a little bit better. And the SB, uh, which I missed out on. I really like the SB. Did you get your pair?

SPEAKER_02 4:21

Nah, I ended up passing, but if you do your you know due diligence, you should be able to find a pair of retail.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

I'm trying, I I haven't been looking. Um talk about pickups and stuff, but um But you you got a good point.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Like, now this doesn't apply to the people that's always been rocking with Air Force Ones, but and the youth I say youth loosely because I ain't that old, but like the younger kids, of course, they were cooking their Air Force Ones a couple years ago. That was a trend. But the way these patent Air Force Ones are selling, like that three pack sold out the same day. I know, I know. I was expecting it, I didn't care for them on the side. Neither did I, they were cool, just not for me. Yeah, um, I got patent air force ones back when Undefeated ran that pack. I remember that. Those are nice though. I like those. They were they were really nice, nobody was on them like that. They would be under-retailed a lot of spots.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Um they went up in price, by the way, aftermarket.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

And I'm not about to sit here and say Yachty and Ved pattens, and but for the people who weren't wearing them before, he bought the attention to them. You know what I'm saying? There's nothing new under the sun. Uh, we was just talking about Pharrell Nigo. Bape had patent force-looking shoes going crazy in the early 2000s, but Yachty and the hype around his second Air Force One that roster pin really got people talking about forces again.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Yep, I agree. And now we're here. But like, you know, the fashion shit, the sneaker shit ebbs and flows. Um, people are gonna go chase after those trends. Um, I want to talk about what we did, what we talked about last week. I won't get into like comments on that video because we we had a lot of chatter in the beginning of it before we started recording about this, the Kobe controversy that we started. Uh mainly on Reddit that I started. I didn't look, I I honestly I thought I was talking out of my ass when I said the shit about them like sitting, but I remember them sitting because I was on the website. This is when I was really in the sneaker, like getting into sneakers and stuff, and I was trying to buy stuff. It's like late 2019, all that. So those things used to drop. And and mind you, I'm buying PG. I bought PGs that I thought were limited or whatever, because I was just buying anything. But when the Kobe's dropped, that price with those Kobe's like the 80s and the 11s, when they were out, it was$210 and shit. That was not the price point, and then I saw that they were literally sitting, right? I didn't know if they were out the outlet or anything, I just made that up, but it just happened to be true because we were validated there by you and others.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

So see, the thing too, a lot of people don't understand is sitting is just another sneaker way of saying being available. True, just because something did not sell out day one. We speaking for myself, and I assume you, we weren't saying Kobe's were not good, we weren't saying Kobe's wasn't an elite performer on the court, we weren't saying in certain regions and certain colorways they were commanding attention, like the 11 fade to black just retroed when that came out celebrating Kobe's you know retirement and all that, it sold out then, it created some buzz today. You know, we're not saying Kobe's were budget shoes that hit the outlet because nobody wanted them, but Kobe's hype as far as being in demand wasn't the same as it was posthumously when he passed. Yeah, because there's been plenty of instances. It was people in the comments saying, Yeah, I worked at Foot Locker, I can confirm, unless it was a hype colorway, they weren't selling out. I worked at the outlet. I remember the Kobe Moonwalkers, the Kobe 11 Emperors. Like I can name the colorways, you know what I'm saying? Kobe Phenomenons, Kobe ADs, Kobe Preludes. And like I said, it doesn't mean they were bad because now you see stuff like Shatter Bat boards going to the outlet. So something being at the outlet is not a bad thing. It doesn't mean it sucked, it doesn't mean sitting is a negative connotation. My standpoint from it was the Kobe hype, just like with a lot of things after someone died, changed the game.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

I agree with you, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

And the thing about that clip that was getting me, this is hilarious. How did LeBron shoes get into the topic?

SPEAKER_03 8:56

I oh no, because I said the thing about he wanted the LeBron deal, right? And then and again, anytime you mention LeBron or Jordan, for that matter, it turned it flips like because they they they're like, Oh, you gotta talk, you gotta bring up LeBron. His shoes are sitting all the time.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

Like has nothing to do with one, true, that is true. I ain't denying that, but two, bro, who was talking about LeBron, huh?

SPEAKER_03 9:20

Who's yeah, his shoes selling more than Kobe's or whatever? There are two things that are not objectively true. Both of them at that same time were sitting in the outlets. It didn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

And somebody made a good point too, when they were saying, like, for example, he didn't critique the fact that LeBron was mentioned in the comparison sense. He was like, Kobe didn't want the LeBron slash Lycan deal. And I think that's where I think that's where a lot of people got hung up that you use the phrase LeBron deal instead of lifetime deal. But calling the LeBron deal made sense in the moment, at least I'm assuming, because getting a lifetime deal is not something Nike normally did. Yeah, like when he got that deal, it was major news. The same thing that happened when KD got the same deal, because KD got the same deal, you know what I'm saying? Um but for a lot less money, but the the objective point is we especially now that he's gone and uh his wife has renegotiated, we don't know what the issue with Nike and Kobe was. You could speculate he was gonna start his own brand. A lot of people speculating it was about ownerships and design rights and patents on technology, and I think it might be some truth to that because if you notice, the only sneakers that Nike makes they use the phrase Pro Tro are Kobe's, yeah. Um, but all that to say, you know, it was just speculation, but man, people was you had some people tight, boy.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Yeah, but and but it's like these people are not informed, they're just speaking from their ass when they say these things. Like people were coming at us or me, because oh, they're like, oh, he was gonna take the technology from Nike. I'm like, Kobe's not a scientist, he don't know anything about no damn feet. He came up with the name Protro, he helped design the logo. We all know this, like as sneaker people. He did not build the technology. Yeah, it was in his shoes. It's called Pro Tro, and he used it, and that's the name. He could take it wherever the fuck he wants to go. He could slap that on a Sketcher shoe if he wanted to. That's it. But you know it's not gonna fly outside of night. Somebody said he invented flywire.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Oh, somebody said that.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

No, that's what they said. They said he invent like Kobe helped invent flywire and something else. I forgot what it was, some kind of mesh or some shit. I'm like, what? And I looked, I had to Google it because I look, I don't know. I'm not a scientist, nor am I the shoe designer or whatever. No, he he came up with the name Pro Tro, he helped design his own logos, so he has patents or co-patents, whatever they want to call it. Nike owns that technology. Anything with that fly wire or whatever the fuck is Nike because those that fly wire was on LeBron shoes, it was on KD shoes, it was on a whole bunch of different things. Exactly. But they put it there was a trend like uh or the uh the mesh stuff, the um what was it called? What fly knit? Flyknit, yeah, like that stuff that was all over the place, and then and then they called it different things when they as it evolved, but uh Kobe didn't invent that, it was just on his shoes, and he used the technology, so it is what it was.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

I know you did get really intricate with details. I know there were stories that he would wear test the shoes and he would make modifications like hey, take off some of the stack height and stuff like that. And it's kind of like with a beat when a person gives some insight on a beat, they're now a producer on that song, yeah. So it was I know some of that came into play.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

It doesn't necessarily take away from his because all these shoes, like KD's or LeBron's, they're all built for that specific athlete's foot. So KD has a lot of input, that's why his shoes are all narrow, and you have to go two sizes up, or whatever. Like I got KDs, I'm putting on my feet, but I know I have to buy a size 13. I have to go at least a whole full size up. Same with Kobe's, they had narrow feet. LeBron's regular foot kind of, but he I think his his he has a wider foot, but his he, you know his story, right? He has a wide foot, but he never could get shoes that fit him properly. That's why his feet are all fucked up. So he was forced to wear definitely fucked up, though. Oh my god, no shoes. I didn't know the story, but uh yeah, look at pick that his his toe, yeah, his baby toe and all that stuff. But what I wanted to really jump into with this topic specifically is the revisionist history around like how people think about these things on social media, whether it's shoes. We're talking only five years ago, removed, and it's well documented that these things happened. Yes, Kobe passed away.

unknown 13:58

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Yes, his shoes were sitting, and then the next day they weren't. But people will will take something that happened in 2022. Like people were referencing the Grinch shoe, which came out that Christmas after he died. Yes, there was a retro planned. And you gotta remember, Kobe was almost four almost four years out of the league when he passed away, right? Still making shoes, still doing whatever, but they were not number one, not a great price point. Number two, yes, popular, but not marketed. Did you see good marketing around that stuff at that time? No, I don't think so. He wasn't on the court wearing them. I don't remember like influencers and uh that maybe hoopers and all that stuff, but nothing that made it appeal to the masses, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Like yeah, it was at a stage where I don't remember seeing commercials. I remember like the fade the back pack, the prelude pack was crazy. But like the Nike after, I think. Yeah, to their credit, certain people don't need to be marketed because it's gonna do what they do, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I think at that time, too, Nike was transitioning to different athletes because you know, PG was coming out with shoes, and you know, Giannis was getting product or product.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

He just got a signature, then I think that 2020 or 2021 was his first signature. That's a good point. You had these these lower budget models, and I said I mentioned that in in in one of my comments back to the Reddit people that you had Kyrie's, which are at their peak, right? Remember the SpongeBob pack on the Kyrie was a five, yeah. Five, yeah, at their peak. He came out with a whole bunch of specials, the PlayStations, all that shit. And the the crazy part about PGs, correct me if I'm wrong, they were still selling like like they they're retroing some of his like twos and ones and shit. Like, like they they they were they were dropping those sporadically. If I you can correct me if I'm wrong, because I remember what I don't know what PG they they were on in 2019, but that's when I started paying attention to his line. But I know I'm pretty sure that they started putting out like some I'm not the best that remember PG's line.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

I know that first model had people kind of impressed because price point was good, the design was good. Then I do remember the PlayStation collaborations, um, and I know recently, as far as this year, they started retro in the one. Maybe that's that might be what you're thinking of. I think I think an older model PG came back as a PlayStation re-release. But you know, I I wasn't really following a performance basketball that tough. Yeah, I can't recall it.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

Yeah, yeah, they're gonna start roasting us for that. But either way, like those.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

If anybody is willing to cape for PG, man, salute you, brother.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

Well, I mean, he's he had a time.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Now I'm talking about his shoes in particular.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

They were dope for hooping, yeah. And you're talking performance, that's what people were going for, dude. You run through a pair of basketball shoes. Like, I'm paying, look, I I hoop in LeBron's. I used to buy all of them, but 220 at that back then, right? You're paying about 220 for them shoes.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Around that time, James Harden was still with Nike. They had the Zoom run the one.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

He didn't get his first signature for a minute, yeah. He didn't get his first signature until he went to Adidas.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

Yeah. But you I I'd hoop in those shoes. Mind you, I'd rotate it out a lot, but you'd run through like Kobe's weren't that durable from a traction standpoint, so they didn't last long on the court if you hooped a lot, right? Because it's a low profile, very slim, you know, like the sole wasn't that thick or whatever. Maybe it was, I don't know. But I remember dudes, uh, one kid I used to, he was hooping in some old Kobe's for a minute, like till they had holes in the mesh. But he's like, Yeah, they're still good to me. And I'm like, oh damn.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Now the Kobe 11 traction pattern was a while. I still got the the pool blue, the first colorway.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Good.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Man, use that, that, that polyurethane. He was gripping to that court.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

Okay, all right. I didn't know much, but I all I know is that um maybe you didn't run through them, or people didn't run through them. But like, yeah, great for hooping. Price point was ridiculously too high, and there's a reason why they hit the outlets and whatnot until after he passed away. So, people in Reddit, thank you for all the feedback. It was good, good conversation.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

It's a lot of varying factors, not just with Kobe, but any shoe that really hit the outlet. You could argue that it sucks. That's objective, but they make a lot of pair. People are willing to wait for them to go on sale, and certain markets just perform better. Like, like I want to outright state this whether we're talking about Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, when the shoe hits the outlet, that shouldn't be an end-all be-all factor of if it's a good product. It's true, you're right, you know, and I think a lot of people got that miscon misconstrued, misconstrued with the last set of you know, viral quote-unquote topics that we uh talked about.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

But I also think it's the attitude of the people in the sneaker culture nowadays, too. That if there is no resale value, you're looking at every sneaker differently. We're looking at performance basketball sneakers. So they think LeBron's shoes suck because it doesn't resell, or they you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Like everybody's some of them suck because they're ugly as hell.

SPEAKER_03 19:29

Well, the new one I like. Nah. I mean, it could be. I mean, but I I haven't I have to buy a pair of the new ones. I'm waiting for the discounts to really, really hit.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

But I'm not gonna lie, I kind of forgot he was on his 23rd shoe. Because Nike had that first gold color, and I thought they were cool, but like you said, that price point, and then they were hard to get, and I lost interest after that.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

They put way too much effort. I remember maybe before what was it, 21 right around LeBron 18, 1819, they kind of went minimalist with the packaging because it costs a lot to put a big ass shoe in a box. So they went with that more cardboard-looking box. I don't know if you remember this because I bought a lot of those. Um, but those shoes, I I could go compare the boxes when you went from 17 to that. Like the 17s had all this, you know, gold imprinting on it, and the tiger face on like all of his boxes were so elaborate. They went back to that for these newer shoes. You as you and you see them, like they some of them came in these very special packages that were huge, yeah. Crazy cases, yeah, with fucking books in them and or the Christmas ornaments and all types of shit. Um for what? Like, nobody's you're gonna go hooping that and the bright colors and everything. Like, damn, like you don't want to hoop in it, you just want to put on the mantle and look at it. Um, so that's that's a good point.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

I didn't think about that with performance shoes, like all the packings and extras for a shoe that's the intended to be hooped in. They only do that for LeBron's.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

I mean, that that's what I've seen. I didn't I honestly I don't have Kobe's were just in a black box, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Yeah, all the Kobe's I've gotten recently. I like the new box. The it's got like snakeskin type print. I haven't got a big one. It's either black or it's white, depending on what shoe it is.

SPEAKER_03 21:19

I've seen special boxes to the Air Force Ones that I got. Yeah, I got the one the Air Force Ones come in a white box. Yeah, they're nice though. They're really nice. They have the little gold um hole in it with a little gold ring. But uh no, it look Kobe's Kobe's stuff is elite, in my opinion, for hooping, for collecting, for everything. Like, even regardless if he's dead or alive, Kobe was one of the greats, right up there, Dem J and LeBron and all them. But again, no, nobody really appreciates shit until you pass away. There's too much revisionist history about what he, you know, like how these things became mythical, right? Kobe's a so sought after only because he passed away. And that's no disrespect to him and his family. or anything.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Well, you could argue, you could argue that about certain Kobe's, like the ones that you said and we said hit the outlast.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

But certain Kobe's been tough before he passed. No, I yeah, I get that. But I'm saying like every Kobe. Like there was a point after like when they started just releasing random like when they did the the run of the eights a couple of years ago. They did a whole was it maybe a year ago but 2020 2024 they put about a bunch of eights remember and there were these Lakers they're really good colorways. Yeah you mean they saturated you mean like when they did the Italian camos and no I'm just talking about some gem they had some Laker colorways. They're all GR things they were at footlocker everything about the engineer mesh I think so they were Kobe eights though I had a couple of pairs but they were readily available and they ended up just sitting and I'm like all right cool. Now mind you I'm talking fucking reseller talk here.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Now his whole Yeah so for those that on the form reseller talk sitting translates to being available after launch.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

Yes and or not having resell value hence them being available and a lot of people look at the shoes that way in general. So and this guy this is a great segue into the next topic you saw Brian Winhorse's commentary on Nike's stock going down you saw that's the gentleman that was saying because Hooper's not popular anymore. Exactly yeah so I heard it I want to play the clip because I think it's important to hear these words because this guy's an idiot um he's he's I used to like Brian Winhurst but he lost a few pounds and he tries to kind of tiptoe around that Stephen A. Smith like I want to outrage people by just saying outrageous shit and and kind of like you know kind of lean on my uh clout and respect rage bait engagement. Yeah it's sort of like that with him now in my opinion because I think he's lost a lot of access to LeBron and that was his bread and butter when LeBron was in Cleveland. And now he's kind of like the this guy who kind of floats around ESPN and all the stations and says some words. So yeah he had a commentary on this I watched part of the clip I'll play it here.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

I am worried about the long-term effects of it you know just just yesterday um I think UBS you know Nike's stock is Nike's uh um Nike's production uh you know Nike's revenue and has been really down and Nike's stock has been obliterated over the last uh you know 24 months or so uh 18 to 24 months and you know this analyst uh at UBS you know and by the way the analyst at UBS doesn't care like they're not trying to get aggregated they're not trying to go viral they're writing to their investors and they basically said that part of the reason that Nike is selling fewer basketball shoes is that basketball players aren't as popular as they used to be. And so like that is the reason that that is worth what paying attention to is because that's an independent arbiter who only cares about the data. And that's science too. But you know Nike can look at it and say this is a problem our stock is down our revenue is down like Nike's like we got a problem here you know the NBA is like our stock is up enormously our revenue is up enormously don't tell us about a problem and yeah like so I there's two ways you can analyze that I he's he's halfway right I think he's he made some points yes he did he did but I he just he kind of contradicted himself like towards the end by saying basketball players not as popular and the NBA stock is up.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

So I don't know how that correlates how is how is it up?

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Who's making it up?

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Because last time I check basketball's fundamental component is basketball players and the ball I mean let's just take away the players and let's just see if we could just go out there and market market spawn.

SPEAKER_03 26:03

Yeah just yeah have some like little little kids run around with a ball and see what happens and and make it NBA you know oh but there's a reason okay look look the popularity you're talking performance basketball shoes now across the board now you could bring up the the um the um what do they call it the uh ambiguousness of the shoes now like the Sabrina being like the number two most worn shoe across the whole NBA right uh next to Kobe's and then and then like things you know and and and the Asia one and and those types of shoes are gaining popularity and transcending leagues women and men they're everybody's wearing them interchangeably which is great because they're both great shoes um but they all emulate certain shoes from the past you could say they emulate KDs you could say they emulate Kobe's and Kobe's are still readily available like you so you have to pick and choose technology hasn't moved that much you have brands like Adidas Puma and and these Chinese brands infiltrating the marketplace and signing marquee talent now I'm glad that you just mentioned that because he's saying Nike's stock taking the hit because basketball players aren't important number one Nike's issues are coming from way more than their basketball sales number two if basketball players aren't important anymore shouldn't he be saying and seeing the same results from Adidas and New Balance like Adidas is rolling out Anthony Edwards and Dames and uh New Balance is pushing Tyrese Maxi's signature so is he trying to say basketball shoes aren't selling in general or is he trying to highlight just Nike because if that's the case saying that the NBA is up and the and the people and companies we just mentioned that aren't Nike are doing their thing how does that how does that make sense? It doesn't it doesn't and he's that evidence that they're showing is comparing it to an era that is gone. Because remember when Sean was here and we'd argue about TV ratings and how you know he's like Jordan used to get the best TV ratings okay nobody watches it on TV no more they watch it on Amazon Plus and and Peacock and fucking streaming NBA.com all this stuff and and they're watching clips on YouTube and Instagram and TikTok there's billions upon billions of billions of streams across all these different products of these of these these different outlets I mean uh to for entertainment of NBA stars and that's why the stock is up and the global reach it's big in China it's big in um uh over you you good I'm back to recording sorry it was a little break yeah I'm saying it's big and it's big in China it's big globally now Europe now is is catching on uh they're starting to have games and other markets and and these international players are infiltrating the league and yo the last seven MVPs I think have been all international players so you gotta think like it's global now and Nike is still grasping on to the ghost of Michael Jordan while this whole new generation that supersedes LeBron now even um is looking at John Morant and even though John's not even as relevant as a hooper he's more a cultural figure and his shoes are dope and and kids buy him uh and then you know like but the the signature I think the signature lines are a little crowded right now um because you go you give stuff to Devin Booker you give stuff to uh John Morant uh who's who's the latest Nike athlete like the uh Luca Dontich with Jordan Shay Kate Cunningham they just signed him angel reese is getting the shoe not angel reese Caitlin Clark angel Reese's with reebok yeah my bad she's wearing Kobe's now um so and and the WNBA and it's weird because again it's cross it's more ambiguous when it comes to the leagues and how how how they cross over each other and there's different brands competing for the same athletes the technology hasn't evolved there's no super basketball shoe I mean maybe leaning's and and antas might be better than Nikes but we don't know that because someone you can't get them in every market right now. But you also gotta consider what the consumer is putting on their feet you know like so in the 90s 80s cross training shoes you know they serve the purpose you could wear them for the sport you can wear them on the playground you could wear them to get fly now a lot of people are leaning towards these other brands because they're simple and like you said earlier not necessarily about this topic but in general it's trends yeah you know the rise of the mesh runner the rise of the soccer cleat yeah the the football boot the rise of the slim profile sneaker the ballerina slipper think about think about the interest of you know everyday people in the city at least in my city we see basketball courts transition into pickleball courts you know what I'm saying um 200 slides we see run clubs that's the new way for you know millennials and Gen Zers to like network and socialize you know basketball shoes especially the more expensive ones don't really have a foot in that you know what I'm saying so yeah when the NBA was in the 90s and it was like the most popular thing on TV and there would be moments where Slam magazine would specifically highlight sneakers you know what I'm saying that's not a thing like it used to be and when it's shared amongst a bunch of other competitors now that uh uh Anthony Edwards has sneak of the year according to complex people want to see what the new Anta line what um Kyrie is going to do they just got it's just it's a shift in how the market is and Nike also is switching CEOs some of Nike's hottest product uh to the mainstream like I see a lot of my friends who not in the sneakers are interested in the Vumeros and the premiums and the pluses and stuff so it makes sense while a lot of Nike stuff is taking hits I can't just pinpoint it to oh yeah basketball players not popular no more like what they're more popular than ever there's a lot more personalities there's a lot more you know people like this playoffs has been crazy I know you've been watching like man it's been fun watching this is the first time in a long time where I've actually tuned into all the games like you know that have been going on because the matchups are great um but LeBron's doing is amazing and it's just it's just fun to watch right and and it's it's I like the new format I you know that play in shit everybody thought was corny for a little bit the play in thing has really sparked up more interest in like the actual playoffs uh and extends the season out obviously but we're having we're having this new new run of like NBA interest but that's not always going to translate in the product but it could translate into other things like jersey sales um yeah I just I just don't understand I just can't see a division of a company being the main reason why that company's having issues because Nike not just getting competition in the realm of basketball they're getting it in lifestyle they're getting it in other performance sports they're getting it from apparel we did that segment talking about uh the Chinese influence dude to think basketball is the reason like I said we just we they just switched CEOs yeah that ain't a small thing that's gonna like you saw what happened to Apple stock when Tim Cook stepped down you know now I'm not gonna act like he don't have no merit by saying their basketball division is having issues but if he was implying that he can pinpoint Nike stock issues to struggles in basketball sales you you missing me with that one brother you don't have to show your work you don't have to elaborate it's like to blame black people for everything. No but it's it's it's partially true. I can't see this this this point being valid and I saw a lot of people have set sharing similar thoughts on it that we have because I can't I'm I'm a fan of a lot of good new basketball guys out there that doesn't mean I'm gonna wear their shoe I'm still loyal to LeBron shoes because they work for me on the court when I play right and that and that's just the way it is it's not like you have way more options from high tier to low tier back in the day when you bought Jordans you bought Jordans because they they they were good performance shoes in that moment and they looked good they did both things. They lost focus on that because I think that 2010s and this might be another hot take but that 2010s era where they went ultra where they went ultra like technology fly wire fly knit high tops air bubbles everywhere all these crazy looking fucking boot looking sneakers and space shoes and shit like yeah it was cool in the moment because everybody was wearing basketball shoes still but it still didn't have that sleek wearability of a Jordan Air Jordan shoe you know that that made it look good with jeans or whatever and like it is a thing that you know I love Eddie to death but you wrong you can't wear every basketball shoe with jeans bro you just can't dress if you do that you just you're just throwing on anything some things just go with sweatpants and shorts and that's a fucking athletic shoe. You know what I mean? Like I I can't wear you're wearing a uh James Harden with some with some jeans not at all yeah Eddie is though shout out to Eddie Eddie Eddie Eddie move is different I know me personally there's nothing wrong with hardened shoes harden shoes is cool no they're hard I'd wear them with some sweats I wear them with some short but they look crazy either way I mean it's a hooping shoe to me it looks like a fucking peanut or something on your foot like it's crazy but not legal shape like a certain thing it's not peanut like a you know certain things don't have all the seed or something yeah they don't have off court appeal yeah I mean his shoes no I look James Harns I like the way they look but you can't pull that shit off with a pair of jeans skinny baggy whatever maybe some cargoes or something if you if you do them the right way but no it's even hard I would even say it's hard to style a uh a a Shay if you're not you know if you don't unzip it and do all this crazy shit I think I think one thing I like about what they doing with Shea Shu whether it's him doing it or him being told by Converse to do it I like how and Holly was doing it for a little bit how their tunnel fits incorporated their sneaker yeah to show like hey man this is just not for you know dropping dropping 15 and and then leaving it all on the court you know for the average person for the average person I forgot 30 33 on their head every night nah no if we talk about shit yeah on the head but like for the average dude that's about to go to their rec league and you know fumble around in golds you know showing the showing the athlete wearing their shoe with fits adds more of that appeal. Yeah I get it but it's it's hard to pull off for us average folk. You know and I I I that's why I wouldn't like I like hardened shoes but what I said many episodes ago is that I don't hoop like I used to so I'm not gonna actively pursue a hardened shoe for its appeal out off court. Just doesn't make sense. Same with LeBron's my favorite shoe I haven't bought I bought 20 I stopped buying them at 20 because that's when I stopped hooping so like the new ones I want to get a pair but it's me mainly for like just looking at it and be like oh it's a dope shoe I'm not gonna put on my foot you know what I'm saying I got a lot of other shoes that I wouldn't want to wear or try to wear let's take a uh did you pick up anything good last week or this week you know whatever oh man the economy is economying nothing really was on my radar.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Yeah so I was chill this week I copped a couple things and I sold the three things I actually have one of the so I did so I messed up on Nike I I got yeah obviously I wanted these I didn't the entire internet like every time I look at notifications from different platforms it's Nike sent me the wrong size.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

They literally have a group on Reddit called the wrong size cross I did get the wrong size because they listed them as men's sizes on the sneakers appear I bought a 12 and a half men's because it was the only one left I get it it's an 11 women's I go back on the app and there's a shit ton of regular 13 and a half women's this is two days later this is wait no this is after I got the shoe in the mail. So I actually have it here this is this is the one they sent me I didn't return it yet but this they sent me a size 11 women or size 11 men's. So one size this is the one I ordered like a week after I got this one. So I got it in the mail the other day I haven't actually I like this remember I said it's a combination of the OG and the and the yellow one at least the swooshes I like it I'm gonna wear this and I have one that is gonna I'm gonna resell or something but um I'm gonna hold on to it because it is it it is a solid colorway for this shoe and apparently it's a little more limited than I thought it was so I thought it was like everywhere but um you know the prices are kind of stable so I'm just gonna hold on to the other one it's 109 bucks who gives a fuck uh I got that I bought some supreme hats this week I didn't buy the supreme dumpster I kept calling it a dumpster Drew said it's a toolbox and I was like it looks like a dumpster um what else yeah it does look like a dumpster that thing let me see what was that today or last Thursday today uh the accessories let's see it might be sitting it's still sitting wow I'm surprised yeah I'll show you uh how do I do this share this tab this draw I thought it was a dumpster doesn't that look like a dumpster you mean the workbench that's a workbench it looks like a like you put garbage in it I guess if you were moving fast but I'm you don't think this is a dumpster no brother it doesn't have drawers it's just a it's you open it up and you put shit inside of it and you roll it around it doesn't have drawers it doesn't have nothing it looks like a dumpster to me I can see that but nah but oh it did sell out okay it sold out I didn't I I was like nah I don't need that that would look like you kind of have some utility so whenever accessory can actually be used I'm never surprised when it sells out yeah this stuff is trash though like look varsities whatever I I was thinking of going for one of these fucking denim coats but nah I bought a denim shirt and I played myself last this looks like the same one I bought but I like the one I got already um the Fiji stuff look hype beasts y'all do your thing bro we love you if I see you out in the streets with this shit matching top and bottom you trying too hard bro you were trying too I don't think anybody will do anything that crazy but they both the top and the bottom sold out the bottoms is I look the top is kind of cool looks like a you know like a sport jersey like a soccer joint but whatever uh I like it I would I wouldn't wear it though I like Fiji water it's good um the these I never understood when they put all the curse words on them the fuck them things I bought a couple of these hoodies and stuff I can't walk around with curse words on my chest and and little children see that shit it's not cool um that's crazy you're part of the problem at that point to wear that around a child since you know what's crazy last season they did these these uh I love these hoodies I bought one and I actually wore it this weekend very cozy um it gives me uh North collab Bob's yeah these are nice the front is plain though it's nothing on the front so it's whatever but these the um the one I got is a uh what color was it it was like a khaki color or whatever a khaki chino color but it was it was really cool and I look I like the way is these things I wanted to get another one but I'm like nah I'm trying to save a little money so I didn't buy that uh but they used come out every season right so it is what it is I bought I bought this two weeks ago oh yo this is fire I wore it last week right yeah I wore it last week on the show it's still safe though it's crazy these are nice you taint the value whatever I got a pair of these pants somewhere already every season they do those what the same as the these pants with the big supreme on the leg. Oh okay yeah um I do To try their denim one day, but not at this price point. Um the t-shirts this week are kind of lame. Um master dick, y'all. I don't know. Is that what that's what it says in the Master Dick? It's a piece of corn. I don't know nothing about that.$50. I did these are what I bought today, though. I bought the uh all the Von Dutch hats. Except the black one. I didn't I said the von Dutch hats. All about a sudden they had a collab with Von Dutch? I mean it wouldn't surprise me. No, but look, that the is that not a Von Dutch hat?

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Well, normally people would say trucker, but alright.

SPEAKER_03 44:36

I mean the way it the the the um the way the branding is written is yeah look if you look at a von Dutch, let me look at Von Dutch. Maybe I'm bugging here. I can see the similarities for sure. Oh, come on. Let me show you something. Boom. No? Yeah, that's a Von Dutch hat. Look at you.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

I'm saying Supreme for ripping all Von Dutch, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

Is that not the same thing? Look at the look at the logo, bro. This is a little pair of things.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Supreme do it all the time.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

I don't think they hey hold on. I made I expanded this. Look, this is a close-up. Oh god, I'm on their website right now. Look at that. This the shit the low the the oval or whatever round thing, and then Supreme. So I bought all of these. I like it. Uh that was it. I sneaker wise, I sold a bunch of stuff. I let go of my um my brick by bricks RIP. We saw, we saw. What made you get them up? Give them up. I've been consolidating, and then my whole thing's like, remember, I say I don't wear red or black shoes like that. And it's true. And the uh the black shoes that I've un-DS'd the past year, I think I'm gonna keep those in rotation. I un DS'd a pair of black fours, a pair of black threes, like Ama Viniere ones. All of them are Ama Viniere, actually. And then um I'm just looking at all these shoes, and I'm like, all right, these brick by bricks, I'm never gonna wear no damn red anytime soon. I don't have a lot of red clothes. It's a nice shoe. I didn't even open it, bro. I looked at the box, it was still wrapped up in the plastic, the fucking strap was still on it. I was like, oh damn, I didn't even take these out. I put them right in the stacks. So I sold it, let them go.

SPEAKER_02 46:21

I mean, that's where they were gonna end up. We did the right thing.

SPEAKER_03 46:24

Yeah. And look, I I think I sent the chat the chat that we have. Um, I paid$590 all in on Goat. I'm giving them right back, and I'm I sold them for$800. Fees on that were crazy though, man. Shit. It was like a hundred almost a hundred dollars in fees.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

That they took from the sale?

SPEAKER_03 46:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

So you sold them for eight before the fees were deducted.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

Yeah, so I made about$110.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

For something that you weren't wearing, I guess that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

I mean, I just you know I didn't say charge it to the game. I didn't lose no money. I made a couple bucks, and I'm getting a nice return of money back in my pocket, you know. I'm happy with it. Uh and I sold a bunch of bunch of stuff, man. I sold some Jordan 3, um, black cement, I think. I bought I just sold a lot of stuff that was just sitting at a little bit above retail, and I had doubles of, you know what I mean? So I I gave I made like 10-15 bucks on all these different shoes that I'm just offloading because I've doubles of them all. And um sneaker capitalist strikes again. Well, look, I'm cleaning house, making a couple dollars, and you know, I mean that makes sense. Yeah, like okay, giving back to the community as well.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

But um, if you got stuff that you're sitting on and you don't have any intention for it, you know why not, man? It's your stuff, you can do what you want with it, especially if you're getting a little kickback from it.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

Yeah, I'm always thinking to myself, why don't I just sell off my Instagram or something like that, like you do when you try to move some stuff?

SPEAKER_02 48:04

Because I do it. You got a big enough following that you would get some offers, and you know, you save yourself the headaches of fees and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 48:13

It's true. And I get top dollar because I am trusted in the community. It's just that, and I'm size 12. All the people that follow me are size 12s. I just don't know how those transactions work. Do they send you the money first? Do you is it a trust thing? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 48:27

I mean, like you said, you're a truck. So, in my personal experience, when it's time for me to let go of something, I'll post what it is. I use stock X as a reference to show people hey, this is how much they're going for. And if I'm selling stuff, it's in pristine condition. So I'm like, look, if it's dead stock, take my word for it. Probably didn't even try it on. If it's not, I'll give you a rating out of 10. I'll upload pictures upon request, but you can trust and believe you're gonna get something that's clean and as close to factory as possible. If it's got all the contents, I'll let you know. And then from there, we use a secure method of payment, Cash App, Apple, Apple Cash, Zell, whatever you're cool with. Once it's been paid for, box it up and go to the local shipping method of choice, USPS, FedEx, UPS, whatever. Y'all go from there. I always make it clear that all sales are final. That's why I go ask as many questions about pictures and pricing as you can, because once I pack it up and receive payment, it's over. Like, hey man, these fit bigger than I thought. I pay for insurance too, so we don't gotta worry about it getting lost in the sauce or anything like that. That's the only time I'll give you your money back, is if it gets lost, but I'm covered with insurance anyway. Um, but yeah, if it's a oh man, I changed my mind, or when my baby mother saw spent this much money, she tripping. I need nah, brother. Don't go like that.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

You got I get it.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

I just don't store credit. I don't do amen trade. Nah, brother, straight up.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

I might just drop the Google Doc, you know, export my my goat list, drop a Google doc and tell everybody, you know, DM me, let me know, and I'll send you pictures. Yeah, that's bro.

SPEAKER_02 50:14

Like the one of the benefits of social media is to reach a large number of people in one go. Like, you could go back and forth with shady people that are uh faceless and nameless on these apps, and you know, it's your word against theirs when the product gets out and things start getting exchanged, or like you said, this community that you built up, you know, just reach out to them, be like, hey man, y'all interested in this stuff, and then go from there.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

Yeah, might do that. So it'll definitely move some things, but I do I do have so many, you know, and by listening, dunks that are rare, a lot of J's, everything from fours to twos to a lot of ones, which I love.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

And you can tell his you know his J's gonna be in good condition because he don't ever wear them. I don't wear them.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

Yeah, and I will give you fair market on a good shoe, meaning, you know, just above retail, if anything, if it if it if it is above retail on the app. So on the apps, I mean whatever, but that's that. Uh what else is there? There was um this guy was talking about I had a whole bunch of oh the runners welcome walkers tolerated thing. Did you hear about that?

SPEAKER_02 51:24

Oh, yeah, I heard about that. Nike had to remove their promotional material.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

Yeah. Yeah, why was that a thing? It wasn't considered inclusive, is what people say. Oh, okay. So then it's like, okay, yeah. Well, you know what? Shut up. Look at these people are fucking like yo. Remember that whole trend of being body positive until all them body positive motherfuckers started dying of diabetes and heart attacks. Remember that? Oh, yeah, and then you know, then you see like Lizzo fucking losing 100 pounds, Adele losing 100 pounds, all these uh Megan, Megan Trainer, all these bossy positive women talking about they got you know literal fat hanging off of them, and they were like encouraging women to just be yourself and all this. Like, okay, I get it, but you're saying runners welcome, walkers tolerate it. Like, why is that like a why? It's a it's a running, it's a marathon.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

Compared to Nike, some of the Nike's more aggressive marketing campaigns in the 90s, I'm like, bruh, this is like super tame.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

I don't get look, and I'm not a uh I'm not one of those people. Like I'm I'm very liberal, you know. I'm welcoming to different communities. Like, you know, I I I be I'm friends with the trans community, and and I love I love all of them, man. We love all of them. Uh but I'm like under trying to understand like stuff like this, where it's like, okay, if you're a slob and are gonna walk, then don't show up to our event. It's a go ahead, don't don't show up. I'm not I'm not gonna go to the basketball court with some donuts and and and and mess up you know the the the the pickup game, right? That's why I don't go to the court right now. I'm not trying to get picked up and fuck up the game because I'm running up and down slow. I have to condition myself.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

I feel like anybody that would get offended by that message, like take it to heart, wouldn't be at a marathon anyway. Like if you know you're not gonna actively compete at the pace in which is expected. Yeah. Now, like I said, it didn't say you know, walkers go home or get the hell out of here or kill yourself. It was just like, hey man, big dogs are over here.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Well, I would I would totally put that messaging out there go home and kill yourself if you're walking.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Well, that's why just like the falling popularity basketball players, people like you. That's why it's like me. No, but um look, there's an opportunity to get offended about everything. As we post stuff on the internet, we ruffle people's feathers all the time just by existing, you know what I'm saying? So to take that stuff to heart, I personally have learned not to. You you laugh about it, you say a sarcastic comment back, or you just ignore it.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Um did you take a lot of this stuff per like in the beginning? I'll tell you, I used to take stuff personally when people used to get at me in comments. This is a long time ago because I started my Instagram page posting a lot of polo stuff, right? And that community, like something of mine went viral or something, and this these polo people. I know them low hands wasn't playing with you. Dog, one guy said I bitch. Dog, I can I I gotta go back and find this. But one guy was in my comments talking about, yo, you bit my whole fucking aesthetic, man. This is supposed to be my thing. I'm like, bro, what are you talking about? Because I used to lay my clothes out on the bed and take pictures with us with like a pair of sneakers that matched it or a fit that I put together. I never put pictures of myself on these things. Yeah, and it's not wasn't like a new concept. This guy gets in my comments because he saw my shit had 20,000 views on it. Now, this is back in the day when you actually like going viral actually meant something, where like 20,000 views meant you got 10,000 comments, you know, it just wasn't a bunch of random views. So my shit was floating around, yeah. It was floating around a community. A bunch of low heads started following me, and that's how I got like the like my first 5,000 followers was like sneaker heads that that enjoyed LeBron shoes and performance basketball shoes and polo heads. But this one guy got in my comments and I was like offended. Me and him were going back and forth for weeks, like and they remember I used to do it about the things. I was attacking Troll Mageddon, who is a dear friend of mine now for weeks. Oh my god, man. I made videos about him that I never dropped.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Glenn talked me out of dropping them, and I have them on the when I heard that you and Troll Magedding was cordial. I was all like, how did that happen?

SPEAKER_03 56:02

Yeah, we got yo, I can go back. I I I I have voice notes. We were sending each other voice notes, man, and it was one of the real, real sincere, like I really knew he was a true sneaker guy from these conversations. He just got fed up with the reselling. Like, he's like, yo, I'm trying to get this shoe, and I want, like, and I get it now. Like, yo, you want some Eminem 4s and they're unattainable, but you just want it because it's a dope shoe, right? And the blue Eminem 4s, whatever. And I'm like, Yeah, but you're not, it's unattainable. But that's the and and that was my logic. I'm sitting here like, and I still believe this to this day. Like, some things you just don't, you're not gonna get. You shouldn't, and not that you don't deserve it, but if you really want it, then you have to compromise somewhere. That's where the fakes come and stuff. But you know, but there's always gonna be a silhouette that looks similar. That's what you have to like like where the compromises. So I'm never gonna get olive Travis for ones, right? Like the Lowe's. But they did just come out with the ones the you remember they did the olives with it's not a reverse one, but it's the same color blocking and everything, and it doesn't have a little smiley face on it.

SPEAKER_02 57:10

So the one lows that was like black and months ago, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:15

Yeah, no, they were they the green, the olive color same, pretty much the same.

SPEAKER_02 57:18

Oh, you're talking about the medium olive. Olive, yeah, one low. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

Yeah, yeah, it matches the second most popular colorway of that shoe, I guess, right? And I'm like, uh the Travis. So I like it. It's a shoe that I'll put on my feet eventually. I know I'm not gonna spend a thousand dollars for the other for the Travis Scott one, but it's a dope enough looking shoe. It fits whatever. And people have to come to that understanding because when I grew up, and Drew could attest to this if he was here, that's what we had to do was compromise for the the the the flight 95 versus the Jordan 3 when it wasn't when it was sold out because it looks close enough, or you know, whatever, like whatever break the uh bust down model or breakdown model that they had or low budget model, and you'd go get those, and it was a thing, or you just settle for the old Air Force One or whatever you can get. Like, and I never you know, like shoes weren't like as they were more available back then, but now like like popular silhouettes. Uh but nowadays you're not the only popular silhouettes are retros, right? Like from my understanding, I don't really see a lot of new colorways getting, or no, not colorways, new new silhouettes getting sought after like they used to.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

Uh whether they're performance, there's a couple ones that sometimes stand out, but yeah, I hear what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

Yeah, so I don't know. I I it's a two-way street. And and and it's look, if you're true to this stuff, that's why I respect Homie and and and and brothers like him, even though it's hilarious how he goes after all these guys. But like the hype beast culture, all of that, I respect that too, because hype beast kind of set the trends. And look, I wear a lot of Supreme by choice because I just gravitated towards that brand at a time in my life where I thought, hey, this is the this is my athleisure. You know what I mean? I'm not gonna lean into being like the kids on the street and wear all this this shit that they wear. But I also know that skate culture is something I kind of dabbled in. And yeah, baggy pants, hoodies, all that. And it and it crosses that, you know, like Supreme is a respectable brand. So if I'm wearing a hoodie that says Supreme, I can still stand next to somebody wearing like a, you know, like to me, wearing wear wearing like a Lululemon or an Aloe or uh or whatever athleisure shit is good, but it keeps me in tune with my culture that I like street culture, skateboard culture, hip-hop. You know what I mean? Like that.

SPEAKER_02 59:46

And it keeps and I don't have to look like stuff like that is just classic, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 59:50

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So it's a it's a fine line. I mean, as you get older, bro, you'll get it. I mean, you in your you know, you in your early 30s, so when you start realizing your age, and sometimes you look kind of silly wearing some of the shit that you was wearing two years ago or a year ago, you'll understand, but also like it's hard to like not. There's a lot of dope shit. The cactus plant flea mark. I love wearing that shit. If I can get my hands on it, some good pieces. Uh, I would love to wear it. I don't get all the good pieces, but then I also understand the economics of it. Like, I will sell a good piece if I get three times the money.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:28

I think a lot of I like I like a lot of Cynthia stuff she does with CPFM, but like you were saying, I know certain shit just like I'm not gonna wear a Sherpa, Sherbert Sherpa outside, you know what I'm saying? Like, I could if I wanted to, but like my like my big ass age, and no offense to nobody that's my age or older that pulls it off, you know what I'm saying? Because I've seen some people in it, but like me personally, I'm just like, nah, I'm gonna chill.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:51

But yeah, but you gotta look like this is why I respect guy, like, and I know y'all don't feel the same way about me, but I think like brothers like Drake, Drake, I like the way he dresses. LeBron. Yeah, well, I like the way he dressed, because that is now he he be putting on some classic.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

It's like his proportions and stuff is real contemporary, even though he'd be wearing like newer stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

Yeah, but he put he puts it together well, and he made and that's the way I try to arrange my outfits. I could go out, and my wife, right again, my wife is like all like very neutral colors and and um you know uh when she's casual, she's yeah, she does athleisure sometimes when she's casual, or most of the time when she's casual, but like she doesn't go out and try to be all colorful and stuff. She likes to, you know, dress up and and look business casual most of the time, if not all the time. But she sees me in some stuff where I throw on like uh the right hoodie or the sneakers look right and all this stuff. She's like, Oh, I like that. And I get the compliment. I'm getting a compliment from her, and I'm wearing Supreme or or fucking uh what else do I wear? I just yo, all I wear is Supreme. I don't think it'll be. I mean, who didn't tell you that, but I don't really delve into other brands. It'll be Supreme. Or maybe I have a bunch of t-shirts and stuff, but I don't really wear I wear a white T. Whatever. Uh like I I don't I don't know. I like my my shirt my shirt game is crazy. I but I buy random shit. I I wear um what do they call it? Like uh a lot of the the brands that you you catch at Nordstrom or Macy's, like in the the nicer section that that you could wear, you know, it's all over the place. But these yeah, the way I dress is really me, is is contemporary to me because I I feel comfortable in these clothes. I feel that they look good, and it doesn't it totes the line without crossing it for me, you know what I mean? Without me feeling uncomfortable or trying to keep up with trends and still getting like people come up to me like, oh, that's dope. This is this is this. I like what you know you're sneaking. I always get that whenever I put on a pair of dunks that that or whatever, and the way I wear it, like you know, I'm not trying to be like the 40-year-old guy with the camo shorts and uh you know, camo cargo shorts on and uh a white tee. Oh my god, yeah, and and and a Yankee fitted hat. Like that's the uniform in the summertime for these mugs. And I'm like, nah, I can't do that shit. And I, you know, and I I mean, not not like Drew. I like I like the way Drew does what he does because he puts together decent fits, but he also kind of he's still like he's a youthful spirit, so he, you know, with the hat flipped up all the time, all that. I can't do that. I don't feel comfortable like that. Never nor was it my my style ever, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

I think Drew's more so it's a continuation of how he used to dress.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:41

Yeah, yeah. You know, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, and and also like I'm told New York, but I don't even my flat, I don't, I don't curve it. Brothers don't curve it in New York. We keep it flat. That's it, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

I gotta throw some rubber bands on this thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:56

You gotta throw a little rubber band on it, keep it now. Well, that's what everybody does.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

It compliments my hair shape, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:01

Yeah, I got something for you though. Um, there's been a little chatter about this new awake six, the playful pink.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:10

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

I gotta put it on screen. Let's talk about it. So I don't know what choices you're making of this going on your feet. I don't care what anybody says. This looks like doo-doo. I hope these are samples that nobody that's never coming out. Oh, does the little man have a polo tattoo? He has a little polo man tattoo.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

Yeah, he got a polo. A lot of people's commenting on that more than the shoes.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

I I see what they're trying to do here. I like the fit this kid put together, by the way, with this.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:41

I think that's MRAN Potato. Who? That's the guy that's he's a influencer designer. Um normally has done collaborations with Vans. He had his own brand. He was making when um Kanye was dragging his feet with releasing the 451 slides, yeah, did his own and was selling them. That's when I first had heard about him. But he's like a fashion guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:07

It looks like they just took what the soul from what it what shoe is that the infrared and put a pink top on it. A very miss like that pink on the back is a bit it should have been solid.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

Have you seen the Aleley May sixes?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:25

Is that something I never covered?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

Collaboration. Yeah, um, the fashion designer and influencer, Laley May, um, famous Jordan Bryan collaborator. She's got a pink and red six. And like how do you smell a Laley? A L Don't give me the line.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:44

I'll just I oh I found it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:47

Something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

It's A E L. Ah, okay, I knew it was that A L E L. Oh, A L E L L Oh my god. I've got a lineup of guests. I'm just I'm trying to um oh there motherfucker Yeah so yeah this is this is good this makes more sense I'd wear this actually I didn't mean to say we go I I meant to say something there was a pink shoe that came out recently that I really liked I just didn't buy oh it came out today that Jordan oh the Carmine Ice Carl Mar that's a nice shoe it came in extended sizes yeah I like this shoe I wouldn't wear it but it's pearl pink I like the it it it yeah it's cool I I mean it did come in extended sizes can you buy them do they sell out or they sold out and oh they still have a size 12 here for me I'm not gonna buy that um yeah whatever but yeah this is this is a good execution of that I prefer I prefer this yeah but this is more of like a salmon color like a puce looks like puce I like it sounds that sounds like you should put some cream on it yeah it's like a salmon y color that sounds gross when did these come out I forgot I remember these but I remember one again yeah it's been a minute yeah she they um didn't she have uh she her her breakthrough like the one that really popped for her was the when she did something with the fearless pack right a few years ago no you're thinking of Melody Asani oh Melody okay nah Lily May had a sick corduroy shadow one she had that violtech looking Jordan one high with the fur that you could attach to it ah yes yes yes yeah she's she's had some bangers the veterans day fours she's not one to be slept on but yeah awake man shout out to their success I love the fact that they got a Jordan brand collaboration I know a lot of people love those fives those sixes though Angelo what's happening man I can't they're gonna sell out though oh that's not a question like yeah they they're probably gonna be the more limited of the two because we already saw what the blue ones look like oh there's blue ones too I didn't see those yeah I'm noticing the trend awake every time they do a drop with the ships with the fives with these there's like a pink one or reddish one and then there's like a bluer one I found it here it is um oops those kind of remind me the Dornbecker sixes a little bit now that I saw them right there yeah I just popped it off the screen sorry about that for the people this is Tony D2 Wild this is Tony D2 Wild Facebook January 10th uh these don't look anything like the real things so this these are mock ups from earlier this year so I'm assuming these look better these do look better yeah oh he should have just gone with those I would have too but I think it's uh what are these oh man Kobe oh G2K4s you're not allowed to talk about Kobe no more being disrespectful shout out to uh Tony D2 Wild and all this guy I don't see on YouTube anymore I know he's streaming and stuff too but you know that's what happens when you retire from his videos yesterday really doing doing sneaker videos yeah he still does sneakers he does streaming he does guns here we go man he's busy man so busy dude yeah what do you can you monetize gun videos on YouTube I don't know oh whatever uh yeah so yeah the blue ones look dope though I fuck with them he got a tech channel too uh he got what a tech channel oh they all do so does Seth Fowler all of them do this shit actually yeah I just recently saw what's it called tech Fowler or something like that yeah hey look they found yo they Seth Fowler found a cheat code I don't know what he does but he understands how to make that algorithm work for him Keist Omar not so much Keist Omar lives off the brand deal he's the cleanest guy he's you know he sits there like yeah your brand is my favorite brand it will he'll fucking endorse anything Puma K Swiss everything I see him review any type of shoe and say it's the best if it works his audience eats it up so shout out to that uh I got another one for you have you seen the Nike first sight shadows that I did preview them what do you think I had first I didn't get too deep into them before I even looked at the pictures because I heard it's a women's only model sizes um but when I saw it I was like okay not for me so they look very 2000s Nike Alpha project look like they belong in like a promo ad for like the Olympic swim team or something okay so it looks like uh foam posit had a baby with a Yeezy BL1 and don't just don't disrespect that shoe like that that BL1 is oh man that's a rough one I'm just saying that it looks like they had a baby I would have I would have given it to a foam runner before I said the BL1.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:05

A foam runner nah now look at the BL1 the shape of the BL1 is the same shape yeah you said the Tyrese Maxi new balance shoe look like a 700 so I don't trust you want to pull it up I know the BL1 it's it's viral I know what the BL1 chunky orthy that you look like no that doesn't look nothing at all brother it looks like it no you got an easy bias that's rem I'm just saying it looks look come on okay I'm gonna pull this up easy got a new model that's about to come out in aqua that looks more like that than no brother stop that looks like it the upper part it doesn't it does were those$20 too nah they stay a hundred I think or six or or what's the the uh the Mike Bibby shoe or the flight something the one with the this side of it this this part right here looks like the uh flight 95 right is that the number that's Jason Kidd but yeah yeah Jason flight 95 yeah the or some or some uh yeah a little yeah just that that bubble part that bubbly part right here yeah like that yeah it's very 2000 it's very 2000s inspired yeah but um I don't know how well that's gonna translate it it's given like women's version of the GT future like hey let's take a classic posit shoe from back in the day modernize it make it lifestyle oriented I hope it does well I hope Frank got more stuff cooking with it they got more pictures a new a new set of pictures just surfaced I know at first he got a little pushback from Nike they was like hey bro stop leaking shit but I think that was kind of capped because like Nike love when certain shit get leaked out it's a nice little temperature check to see hey man what what the street saying with that legal team that they have if they truly wanted something scrubbed off the internet that was a leak it'd be gone so six maybe what has it been about six months now since the DT future came out how do you feel about it now I've seen and key my I'm from the DMV area so foams get treated a little different here I've seen it on feed I've seen it sell pretty well in stores anytime I see pairs in stores it's only like extreme sizes left like a 7 or 14 I think the design is still pretty good as far as visually it's not like great or groundbreaking but I respect it. But as far as it being a shoe they're not comfortable you never see anyone performing in it AJ DeBanster a couple other college hoopers Wimby has been seen in a promo wearing them but not on court I felt like I don't know what Nike's motive was for that shoe is it a hoop shoe is it a lifestyle shoe like when I see it in Footlocker it's in the hoop section but as that guy was talking about earlier Nike trying to have a foothold in basketball again if this was your latest and greatest product that you want to push you be pushing it look at the GT Cut 4 that's also a positive like material page was wearing it and this college team was wearing it the banster has a PE a Spider-Man PE you see it you don't see the you don't see anybody who hooping in futures I know it it was more like you know when you go to an auto show and you see a concept car that's never gonna be street ready or street legal I feel like GT Futures was a part of that campaign when they was in Parish on all those 3D printed and AI generated shoes. Some were dope the one the Wemby inspired one the alien looking joint remember that yeah I remember that was cool and uh who else had one Shakari like it was a lot of ones out there I don't remember but like I felt like the GT Future might have been like the last one on the assembly line they were like hold up we can actually make this one and they didn't I don't know it didn't cook long enough like wale wore it and I'm not gonna lie bro wale can pull off a lot of things or make things look more appealing you know you get to see it in action and like Greg was saying on sneak this bro but you're not wale you don't have wale's proportions you don't have wale's budget to wear certain pieces and for those who are getting them off and legitimately like them shout out to y'all but every time I've asked people whether it be sneakerheads casuals I'm like what you think about these features it's always I had to go a whole size up they're uncomfortable you have to do a whole size up for those bro to be honest unless you have super slender feet because the half sizes could work I only went up a half size of mine and they're cool as far as you know they fit but that is not a long time wear and I don't even know if a full size would do me any justice because then it would be too long I just don't know what they were going for with this I like them but one pair is fine with me. That's it we're good.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:29

But a lot of people excited for them um galaxy renditions that they rolling out see I'm not buying them I do want to get a pair on my my you know cop something maybe those blue ones if they're like under 150 bucks if you're gonna buy a pair bro especially if you're on the fence start wait until all these colorways flood the market and they're they can be had under retail I saw a video the other day of uh resellers at this I think it was a sneaker con and they were rolling in and the most popular silhouette this year is the mind oh one slides and every reseller was selling dog every colorway that they were selling they had all of them the cheapest one I heard well from the people that was 200 and that would be for the like the gray the new and the gray and the neutral colors and I'm dropped the most yeah the blacks were going for 300 300 plus some guy had like all you know like the green ones the red ones and all that shit they were around 250 280.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:35

I'm thinking to myself thinking to myself like I mean I live in the middle of nowhere right now and I don't see these on the street who's buying them is it other resellers like I don't get it I'm is I know a couple people who end up do getting them but they never keep them too long because spending$95 knowing you're gonna get$300 back it's a no-brainer like whether you're a reseller or not people I know some people who want them to wear those seem to be the people that can't get them I've seen them outside one time but it was at a sneaker release and it was a guy that's known to engage in resale so it's like you know maybe that's how he came across this pair but as far as like seeing the old twos out in the streets never seen I wear my old twos all the time that's my daily driver I wear them all the time people people don't say nothing about them and I think you don't really see them that much too because the scarcity of them though it's true but are they really scarce?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

I keep seeing them restock on fucking Shields and dick sporting goods and they they restock everywhere the people who are getting them probably gonna let them go for that$250300. But who again who's buying them I don't see them out in the street you'd think that like okay when Yeezys or Jordans and all these saying when they were getting bought up and being resold you saw the people who were buying them everywhere everywhere I still see to this day the a pair of like those you know Jordan this or Yeezy that like everywhere whether you got them retail or not people are wearing them I'm the only person wearing this shoe and I I did it because I wanted to see if the tech works and yes the shoe is better than the slide I the I stand on that till I die. But you know idiots like slides and they think you know the pri I mean the price point for both is good. I mean no no actually no no sorry the the price point for the sneakers good the slide is unreasonable.$95 for that no I wouldn't pay that but you have though and I sold them for$300 so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue about yes I buy them for the resale value I would buy them for a personal pair if there wasn't it like you just made that whole point overall I'm not sitting here like I need those on my feet right now. The sneaker on the other hand like I said I did a video I tried it I like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:03

I would buy another pair at retail I got the black pair of old ones I like them they're really comfortable once you get the right size did you end up wait you sold yours right you said you I ended up selling them all right did you get the 13 or the 12 I got a 13 oh yeah you did the right thing yeah um I didn't want to sell them but the price was too good I was like what the black ones when they first dropped because I know for a yeah because I got them off retail from DSG and I know for a fact these are going to go the same way as the rejuvenates they're gonna and we're starting to see it restock after restock. Rejuvenates I mean what were they$75 for the it was at one point they were they were selling them above retail yeah above but not this much above retail not this much but still I don't want to get I don't want to pass over opportunity to get them off of 300 knowing that later on I'll be able to get them at retail probably under like I mean you're a sneaker capitalist it's all good no I'm a venture capitalist I'm logical like he's a venture cap you invest I see I see I see a venture I see an opportunity to just it just be financially irresponsible for me to give them at that price knowing that they're gonna sit around eventually it's gonna be a mass produced product because people like man I got to get them brother Nike invested a lot of money into this product into the marketing into the R D identified by the neuroscience divisions brother they're not gonna make a small run and shell of it these are going to be around why do you think they gave them the the that numbering system they plan on rolling out more of these more silhouettes more more different silhouettes using the tech maybe rolling it into their other shoes you know imagine the Air Force One platform exactly you can see some Air Force One it's gonna be like um like uh Zoom Air or or uh whatever React or whatever so it makes sense and it does this is the cool thing about it it adds uh so I don't know if it's a to me it's aesthetically pleasing but some of their other shoes that maybe have aged out like uh running like running silhouettes and stuff like that might benefit from this and they can make recovery shoes out of a Vomero 5 or something like that. Jordan 1 and the Air Forces are an only issue that they do it on.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:23

Like remember when they put zoom full zoom units in Jordan 1's and then they had to anodyze Jordan 1s they made them out of phone closet and I remember fly knit Jordan 1 yeah yeah like this is an opportunity for them to take classic silhouettes and be like hey let's put some mind in the forefoot replace the air unit with mind nodes I don't know what they call them nodes or whatever they're calling like nodes or something yeah yeah yeah but they'll be around balls all the time balls nubs I call them nubs yeah so it's it's gonna be around I I I like it I like the technology it's it it works um but it it is what it is uh there's one more shoe I want to look at because I just all these pictures of ugly shoes leaked the past couple days or not leak but have more formal and you know the next one I'm gonna pull up uh it's in our group chat with the guys on Instagram uh you don't know the Balvin oh the Balvin for it okay they back in the media I mean I'd wear it I like this but it it just screams to me like what what are we doing is it's too much it's not it's it's loud but muted but it's it's balvin bro it's like very much him man yeah I can see this working I I I know what I would wear with this already I have a fit already like that works with this because I have a shoe that's similar to this in the color um or color like the colors not the color blocking I mean Balvin has pretty much done pretty much a little bit of everything he had that super wild one he had that I don't know what to call the two then you had a super muted run with the threes two was the same blue right they were black and white but they had that gradient still gave him a pop that three is nice the black one is nice uh what's that Columbia whatever I don't know whatever I remember I saw the black is Columbia and the white is Medellin Medine I seen I seen DJ Khaled he was on the back of a golf cart and he was wearing them joints they had he said I don't want to touch the ground gifted him those fours he wore them to a his birthday party I'm talking about the three oh these oh the new ones yeah yeah I'm talking about the threes though like I saw this this this video he did he was on the golf cart he was wearing them he was like I want to crease them or get them dirty so like five guys came over and picked them up and carried them on I remember that I but those shoes are fire I was like I was like that's one moment where I was like you know what he's doing the right thing right there that's a nice shoe man I don't know if he kind of was ever doing the right thing but shout out him bro he making money yeah he is making buddy he is making brand dropping the brand dropping the bag off to him every time yeah I'll I'll never understand that shit man this this okay wait um what is what do you I wanted to ask you could like pivot into sports how you feeling about LeBron in these playoffs right now I don't know the chat was right bro you love some LBJ I'm asking objectively like this is this is now like monumentally is huge because we're watching LeBron and KD in the playoffs again yeah that's like kind of crazy to think about like year 41 year 41 out there he's out there with his son you know what I'm saying like they're competing like they're competing his son getting minutes too he's getting minutes man yeah it's something to behold like playoffs the playoffs as a whole has been interesting yeah it's I've been glued to it like it's it's it's really been a moment where I'm like oh that's a whack matchup like New York and Atlanta man watching Wimby out there that fall he had had everybody like on edge I know that was sad Cleveland man they James Harden man he might be breaking his playoff curse I mean not gonna hold my breath yeah but um back on the topic of your guy the king the king um nah man it's it's it's fun to watch man I I wouldn't want to see him spend the the Twilight Swan song of his career riding the bench or me and second fiddle on the team that don't have any playoff contention so to see them man I wish the whole squad was healthy to see what they really could do yeah in this run to the chip to see how far they could get you know because this one's this one's always gonna have an asterisk no matter where they end up unless they win it is because I imagine if so and so wasn't heard and imagine if you know well um Austin Reeves they said he might be back for at least maybe game four okay um without Luca though man imagine imagine that man out there yeah I get it but like here's where it's kind of like you're seeing how Luca's impact well maybe because Luca was kind of hurt that when they played OKC I think he had that hamstring issue back then. So and he probably wasn't getting proper treatment because he was running every night but um it's like night and day the way these guys play and facilitate. Like LeBron now and mind you I watched his his career under a microscope since probably twenty fourteen or so because I was not I was a Kobe fan. I used to think he was the GOAT and then I changed my mind. But that's see that that's what they're gonna burn your ass up

SPEAKER_02 1:28:00

At the comments. Why think about like oh, so that's why you said that shit about Kobe.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:05

Oh no, you were bandwagon. No, I wasn't bandwagon, I just saw the facts. This is what so look, bro, bro. I I don't I hate talking about this, but I'm gonna do it. Get ready for this. I'm I'm in the audience with y'all. Nostalgia makes us mentally broken. I love look, we do a whole nostalgia podcast. Nostalgia's great. I love talking about old video games and shit. That don't mean I'm gonna stop playing this highly graphical Call of Duty game to go play Contra every day. Like just because I have a good memory of it. That's what Jordan is. He's a good memory of a time when things were simpler. We were not at war. Everything you do uh wasn't anti-Semitic. Uh, we didn't have a crazy president, we don't have the like all that shit brings you back to 1990 where everything was just simpler, people were outside.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:54

We can't also ignore the fact that some of the things that you mentioned from the past wasn't objectively great in this time, though, bro. It was objectively great in this time. Now, if we if you if you argue with somebody who's saying insert thing here was better, so you have a point, but like with me, and I think a lot of other casual people that just recognize Jordan as being like, Man, he was something else, it's just man, we just have a reverential respect for him because he was the man in this time. But bro, you know we have a friend.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:24

Okay, who shall remain nameless, Sean? Wow, who literally gets hurt feelings when you question Jordan's legacy or just say something to the effect of hey, I think this person or that person might be better, and this is why. He doesn't look at it objectively. Nostalgia is all that matters.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:48

Now, let's be fair to Sean. Does it get presented to get presented to him like that? I try to, but it's been some times you straight up be like, man, Jordan cockfucking gambling, father killing ass sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:00

And you be like, yo, hey, I ain't saying none of them. I don't know what you he there's no proof that he killed his father. That's what Skip Bayless. Hey, talk to Skip Bayless. It's weird how Skip Bayliss dick rides him, but then all of a sudden just says he got kicked out of the league for gambling and and and alcohol and maybe killing his dad.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:20

He's a weirdo. He gotta be a contrarian.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:24

Yeah. No, but I I I respect Sean's nostalgic approach. And Drew too. Drew's the same way. But if you're a real hooper or real basketball stats guy or whatever, you can objectively see that LeBron has surpassed him at five years ago, as far as on court greatness when it comes to physically what he's done, the stats that he puts up in the game, the accomplishments. Six championships is great, yo. I love it. I love it. And the way you did it, beating up on Jeff Hornesek and John Starks, and see that's why that's why Sean and MB ready to get on your ass. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:04

Because like you look at it and you do recognize it's nostalgia, but you gotta add that tinge of sarcasm. That's reality, though. Yeah, but two things can be true. You can say, Yeah, those guys you mentioned, but you can also acknowledge like bad boy pistons and showtime Lakers, too, though, bro. Yeah, they they beat him too, yeah. Yeah, no, but like when he comes around and beats them.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:31

When?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

When magic had AIDS and everybody's gonna be able to do that, it's always a caveat when magic had AIDS, but like you would be ready to go to war if they go, yeah, when Draymond got ejected. I'm not going to war over that. But see, like that diminishes the point being made. Like he's LeBron still came back from a 3-1. You know, you can get into the stipulations of what Kyrie contributed and Draymond and all that. But like you know, you can't be like, you know, Jordan only won a championship because Magic had sickle cell anemia. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

Like, well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. These Jordan people, what they say is Jordan won it, like he was the only one out on the court. You know this. Come on. These guys don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:14

But see, that's generalizing because there's a ton of people that will acknowledge like Jordan had Pippen and Robbman. Like, Robin, Rawman is so good, bro. Like on any other team, he just been the man, bruh. Like, and I'm and I'm not shitting on Jordan at all. We ain't gonna do that here. But I give Pippen his accolades because, with all due respect, because the team sucked that he went to, but Jordan never went to the playoffs after that run without Pippen.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:44

Everybody knows that yeah, without Jordan.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:46

But like, I don't I disagree with the people who say Jordan did it by himself. But the stuff Jordan did though like what we're not about to do this, bro. Just acknowledge six championships, bro. Nah, we're not about to do this, bro. The team won six championships. Nothing. Nah, don't do that shit. Don't do that shit. Don't do that shit, bro. He was the leader. Because I conceded to that. I said the team, I just to say Scotty Pippen, one of the best best war players of all time. I get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:13

Yeah, but they only went to six, they only went to six championships.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:17

He when Jordan when Jordan was by himself, he didn't do much besides when rookie it again, D P O Young.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:28

They padded the stats there. No, bruh. See, stop.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:32

They changed the rules for him. They changed the rules.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:34

He went and why would they do that if he wasn't great? Because they ain't had no money to pay him off. Why would they do that for him? And nobody else.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:39

Because Stern, the league commissioner, was corrupt. And he wanted the league to be this thing, which he did. He created he was corrupt in the sense, meaning he was willing to do, you know, like you heard these stories of how they fixed drafts and did all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:57

And you don't think LeBron had any bias with him coming out of high school, under the table deals, chosen one hummers in high school and shit like that. I mean, was it legal?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:10

No, that's why I was under the table. No, it was legal. I think back then the rules were different. I think you he could take something from an age he's once he turns 18, he wasn't he wasn't a man driving a hummer in high school fool.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:26

I mean, he was he 18?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:28

I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Either way, I don't look, look, all those things are there. I'm saying, going back to the stuff that LeBron's doing in the playoffs, it's great to watch. I love every night. Yo, it looks like I last time I was excited or watched a playoff playoff series like this was at 2018. Um, when you know that year he should have won the MVP, but they gave it a harden. And I watched every I remember I was in New York driving, I was in New York for something, business or whatever, and I was driving back home because I drove my I drove back and forth to New York for work or something. I don't remember why I was there. Why was I there? I don't know, but I was in my car, I almost crashed my shit because I'm watching this shit on my phone, holding my phone up, watching this playoff game that was in the afternoon in Cleveland. They're playing the Pacers. It was the game where they came back from down 20 something. They were down 26 or whatever, right? I'm watching, I was like, damn, it's over. I'll just listen while I'm playing. Dog, the minute it was like, oh, they're only down by four, we're like two minutes. I was like, what the fuck? I put dog, I'm driving on the highway, swerving and out, holding my. I was like, yo, I almost killed myself to watch this man come back and beat Paul George. And all that, like, that was amazing. This is how excited I'm in for it. I haven't missed one game. I stayed up for every game. Um, I've been looking at the stats. I'm looking at what he's doing out there. Like, he's making Marcus Smart, Jared Vanderbilt, fucking these guys look like like a real unit. You know what I'm saying? Like Marcus Smart didn't look that never looked that important when he was on the Celtics. Like he was, yeah, defense and all this stuff, but putting up 27? Luke Kennard is a three and just a three guy. He was Kyle Corver, but he's looking, you see him running the base all the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:21

So why do LeBron get that accolade from you? But you're saying teams win championships, so you're acknowledging LeBron's bolstering his team.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:31

Jordan couldn't have that same effect to the people that was with him. He didn't have that same effect.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:37

The effect was the coach and the other players on him.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:40

So but so that that same effect didn't apply with LeBron. He was doing that himself, motivating them dudes. I think so, yeah. Bro, that's crazy that you just said I was trying to. You think you think I you think that so so LeBron and Jordan are arguably doing the same thing. They they win in these championships. You admitting they can't do it by themselves, but in Jordan's instance, that grit and determination from the other players, even though some of the players themselves would be like Jordan be in the locker room saying he was gonna beat my ass. Yeah, so I had to go with that. Kobe did the same thing, he abused. But look, so yeah, so you acknowledge him, Michael can inspire, but when I just asked you, you say it's the coaches that's doing that. The coaches and the other players, heaven forbid, the coaches wasn't telling them other players to do this, do that, work around LeBron. LeBron's just pure aura was just inspiring Marcus Smart to drop 15 points. So there's a level of delusion that they evaluate for in therapy. Okay, you do get mental health advocacy, sit down with your therapist and just ask or give you an assessment.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:42

Let me give you the facts, though. When Jordan went to the wizard, did he motivate Kwame Baum to be a better player? When the bulls went to the fucking Wizards, bruh. Okay, and there was some bowlers on the Wizards then, too, at that time. They had some decent young talent.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:59

That's like saying, because technically on paper, they got some decent young talent now. They're ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:05

LeBron took that 2007 team all the way to the finals against the Spurs. He took a the 2008 Cavaliers. Look at that roster. Bro, look at that Wizards roster, bro. Okay. Whatever you say. But look, they didn't win. They didn't, they didn't at least have they were at least they weren't competitive. Jordan, when Jordan was by himself, the Bulls were not can really that competitive until they got the playoffs' rookie season against the Celtics. Who they had a losing record going into those playoffs. And that though those things, though, back then, dude, what everything, everything is a caveat when Michael do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:46

That's that's why people have these debates with you. Not because they team Michael, it's cause like everything's uh they got swept in the first round. Your mate, they didn't get swept. That's factually incorrect. But nice try.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:00

The first time they went to the playoffs? You know, did you know did you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:02

Oh wait, no, no, no, no, no. The Boston masters?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:05

The Cavs. No, they didn't they face the Cavs the first time, his first year in the playoffs?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:09

No, Celtics. Boston Massacre. Look it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:13

That was his first one? The one where he got he got swept.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:16

Gave him fifty.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:17

How do you get swept when you dropped 50 on him? Yeah, he got swept. And he dropped 61, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:24

Oh, 60. It was a 60 plus game. Yeah, he lost.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:26

They lost. Yes. He lost that game. They got swept in that series.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:31

Oh, okay. I stand corrected. I'm gonna look it up. I'll pull it up. Okay. If I'm wrong, I'll be wrong because I wasn't born in 1985.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:41

Don't don't no, then don't talk about it then if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Here it is. Fell in overtime. It was an overtime. Are you there still? Did you just leave because you're scared of these stats, these facts? Where are you? I'm showing you a thing. Here. Read that. I don't care about none of this. 38 years ago. Wait, did that happen today? Yo, that happened 30. Oh, three three days ago this happened. 23-year-old with Michael. I'm about to say LeBron James. Michael Jordan dropped an NBA playoff record 63 against Larry Bird in the Celtics dynasty. Larry Bird wasn't Michael Jordan. No, he said Larry Bird said that wasn't Michael Jordan. That was God disguised as Michael Jordan. Chicago fell to Boston in overtime 135-301. They swept them in that series.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:29

Okay. Well, you got you got me on that one with the sweep, but at the same time, you just saying Jordan ain't do nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, six. That's it don't matter.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:38

LeBron dropped 51 on the on on KD. Look, okay, do you think okay, that's what I think?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:46

Did LeBron also win that? Did they win? No, they didn't. That was in the finals, though. Alright, cool. Cool. That was in the finals. I just I just don't understand the point that you're trying to make. I don't understand why you have to break down Michael as an athlete to bolster up LeBron. Yes, you are, bro. You're saying he didn't you're saying a bunch of shit about this man, which is like crazy, bro. Like the thing about people like you, and I'm not saying LeBron fans or Jordan fans, I'm saying people that argue like you is that one thing can't coexist with another thing. Why these two men just can't be great ballers that did incredible feats on the court, bruh. I don't see you breaking down Kareem Abdul like that. I don't see you breaking down Magic Johnson like this. It's like you so triggered. Is it not in that conversation? They're not that they're not in the conversation. I'm not shitting on Jordan, bro. Yes, you are, bro. I think he's great. Nah, you can't use that as an excuse to recant how you was actually portraying yourself, bro. You really saying this man had help, he ain't do nothing. Like you literally said the phrase he didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:56

That's the craziest shit I've ever heard. He didn't do anything for a certain part of his career, like nine years of his career, he didn't do shit. Besides winning some scoring titles and whatnot. But like look at the numbers.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:07

What stretch of nine years he didn't do shit, bro? When did Jordan have a nine-year stretch of not doing shit? If you look at the numbers, if you look at the answer my question, bro. When did he have a nine-year stretch of not doing shit? Was it when he went three-peat, left, and then three peat again?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:21

The first nine years of his career, he did not like because he definitely won a championship in the first six years of his career. So where you win a ship in his first six years, it took him nine years, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:32

He won a championship in 1991. He came into the league in 84, right? That's nine years. I think so. So what number did what number shoe did Jordan win a championship in? Let me help you. Let me do preschool math because this is a sneaker podcast. This is Jordan Jordan 3, right? Six. So six. And even if it was the Jordan three, that's still not nine years. That's less time, actually. You gave me some credibility here.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:00

Hold on, I'm looking at this. I thought it was nine years. How many years was MJ in the league before he won a championship? People Google this shit all the time. 84, 85, bro. If he won a championship. Seven seasons, seven, seven, seven years. Sorry. I stand corrected, seven years. And just because he didn't win a championship, he didn't do shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:21

Not winning a championship means not doing shit. Now, how many seats? So if that's the case and winning the championship doing shit, how many years was LeBron in the league before he did shit? Using your logic before he went to an actual finals?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:35

It took no, you mentioned winning a championship. Winning it took nine years. Oh, LeBron is nine years. Sorry. Yes. So you arguing against yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:47

My bad. I got the numbers mixed up. No, you got you said based off your logic, win the championship equals not doing shit. You had it right. You just had the person wrong. So LeBron didn't do shit for nine years. He won a well the final. He had the lead because he didn't have any help. Okay. But he could do it all by himself. So why he need help? He took him to the final.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:05

Who never said he did it by himself? That's what you're implying. No, I'm implying the team up. He got them championship. All the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:20

Stephen A. Smith. You're talking about extremists, bro. Bayless. We're talking about people. It's people when you see murals of the Bulls, bro. They're talking about championship era Bulls. They didn't say championship era Jordan. But we uh we understand that he had Robman and Pippen and Phil Jackson as a coach. BJ Armstrong. You got me saying we as if I'm a stalwart Jordan fan. I'm saying look, I'm not saying one is objectively better than the other. I'm just saying I just don't understand why we gotta act like everything Jordan did is a part of this revisionist history because you like LeBron so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:56

Well, it is sort of bruh because if you break down how things were no, you can do it because that's where the nostalgia comes in. That's always been the argument. Nostalgia muddies the wall.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:07

Now you're implying that just because someone looks at something with nostalgia or rolls, tinder glasses is now untrue.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:12

You could learn how to say something that's true. But what's greater than the one so okay, so if you're talking about championships, and I hate to bring this up, Bill Russell, Robert Ory, they won more championships than that. And you know what?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:24

And you know what I didn't do about all the men? I never brought them up in comparison with Jordan or lessen their accolades, unlike what you're doing in regards to LeBron.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:33

I don't lessen their accolades because the argument that people have all the time, when you say LeBron did X, Y, and Z, all they say is, well, 6-0. That's all they say. And I'll be like Robert Orton. Well, that's but that's I'm not having that. I'm trying not to have that discussion with you. But you're looking at objectively, but you're also looking at it in a favorable light. And I don't know where you sit without sorry, favorable.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:11

It's hard for me to look at the favorable light because I'm the youngest nigga on this podcast. You are, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:16

You've only seen the beginning of LeBron, but you were kidding me.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:19

I'm not hyping up one person over the other. I can acknowledge one guy holds all the records and has a long, prosperous career that will never be duplicated. And I can also realize Michael Jordan's also phenomenal. Uh it's no for his error for his time. No, you can appreciate Will Chamberlain. That's that's oh yeah, for his time. No, of all time. Just like LeBron is established peace of all time.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:48

Do you think okay? What about Kobe? Where do you put him all time as far as not? I mean, all time as far as because you saw parts of Kobe's career, the good and the bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:57

Kobe had some rough moments, yeah, especially like you said, when he was on his own and he was getting older recovered from injuries. But like, I'm not about to say, yeah, Kobe was great for his time. Well, Kobe was just great. Like, I don't have to put an asterisk.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:12

Yeah, I wouldn't say that and I'm not saying Jordan wasn't great, but you also have to understand what the competition was. And also understand the asterisk again.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:22

Like, it's not an asterisk, it's like you can see it helped but add a caveat to it. You just can't be like, Man, Jordan was great. But considering who he was, no, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:31

Jordan's great. But you can say that Will Chamberlain arguably played against, like, I think JJ Reddick said this played against plumbers and electricians, right? And the seven-foot athletic motherfucker just just hooping out of his freaking mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:47

See, that's more of an argument because the game has radically changed since back then. But man, and do you think the 90s got the 80s and 90s guys are more athletic than the the guys? I'm not saying they more, but like look at some of the people that was playing back in that time. Generational talents, bro. Some of the people in this generation was like, y'all grew up watching them. Kobe Bryant literally said, I modeled my game after Mike. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:10

But who was like, okay, in Jordan's time, the the mid-late 90s, who was a standout young team talent that really, you know, look, you had the era before him, or the era that he came out, there was or before and in his era, there's the Carl Malone, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler. This is before Jordan and during Jordan. Uh obviously Scottie Pippen on the same team. You had Magic Bird uh at the at the beginning side in the in the late 70s to 80s, early 80s, and then Jordan comes in with Carl Malone and all these guys, and then you have up until maybe like 96, that draft, when you had Iverson and Kobe, Kobe and KG and all KG, those guys are generational talent. That in-between part though, if you look at and you could say Rodman and all these Rodman had a special thing, he was gonna cast it all, he couldn't really shoot. I mean, you know, pick it up and do the thing, but um that that if you think of drafts from like let's say 91 to 95, what generational talent? I mean, I I look, I I I have to look it up. There might have I I can't think off the top of my head what amazing players came out of the game.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:31

Yeah, bro, because a lot of this is gonna require a deeper dive because in '95, I was shitting in a diaper. Yeah, me too. So I was yeah, okay. Why would you wearing adult diapers? It's beyond me. But um, I was literally goo goo gaga, bro. And like I said, this is starting to shape into a LeBron Jordan debate from one spectrum to the other. I like both of those dudes. I own LeBron shoes, Jordan shoes, big fan. You need to have these conversations with them trolls. And with Sean. My main point is just like I'm just curious to why we talk about Jordan's accomplishments. I got it. It's always a butt, and you don't ever want to hear that shit with LeBron. I get it. I pulled it up. I pulled it up. From 1990. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You don't have to prove none. None of this matters to me because I'm in my 30s and I don't give a shit about 95. Okay. My thing is I just don't understand why you just can't be like either Jordan butt and then LeBron butt or just Jordan period, LeBron period. It's always uh, but Jordan. And I'm just like, bro, who gives a shit? Like you the type, like you one of them type of people that'd be like, yeah, man, Jordan be kicking ass in NASCAR, but you notice he ain't start kicking ass until he made that complaint and had that lawsuit.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:52

It's almost like it out loud.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:56

I commend him for excelling in this thing. Money. No, I'm saying there you go. Yeah, people go.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:01

I'm not saying you're not gonna do it. NASCAR is quite the exact thing. It's always an asterisk when people speak positively about Jordan. You can't leave well enough alone.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:13

I love Jordan. I love his shoes. I've watched all the games. But but yeah, that's the problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:20

There's always a but. And why is it and you don't afford that to LeBron?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:26

Like anytime somebody knows but 2011, when they lost to the fucking Dallas Mavericks. That's a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:34

See, now we're doing this.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:35

Now we're doing this in retrospect.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:38

Like you got like this trigger. Somebody talk about I always say that's a big thing. That was his fault entirely. I'll just say him now. I'll never give him that grace. I just don't understand why it even matters.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:50

Like I just don't understand why it even matters. The legacy. But also you gotta think, being the NBA, and when you break down the the the numbers and the and and the difficulty of actually winning six in a row, regardless of it's expansion era or not, or you know, you had a super team or not. Um Golden State, they had the formula and couldn't even pull out three in a row. Did they beat win three in a row? I don't think they won three in a row, right? I don't think so. They don't won three in a row. They couldn't even do three in a row. Jordan did it twice. I'll give him that all day. And it was difficult to do it. I watched the last dance. That was a hard thing to do to keep them motherfuckers together. I'll give him his flowers for that. And the way he the way he trained and the the way they talk about it, whatever. How do you you convince Scottie Pippen to take no money to stay with you to win more chips? To this day, that man is bitter. You see him, his wife being passed around the NBA, all this shit. He has to live with that shit. He's broke, not broke, I mean, but you know. He got money, but he ain't got Jordan money, though. He could have had Jordan money if he went somewhere else, but he didn't. A lot of people don't got Jordan money. I mean, at that time, look, Jordan demanded a lot and they gave it to him. He was doing one-year contracts, they did all this shit. But Scotty played second fiddle, took a couple of million a year, less than a couple million. I mean, when I saw those contracts, you know, I mean, they talked about in the last dance. Long story short, people make sacrifices to get certain things and certain accomplishments. But for me, I mean, I wouldn't have done what Scotty did. I would have gone for the bag. And I think a lot of NBA players now would do the same thing after winning. Like KD does that or has done it. He went to like he no, he actually got the bag and then left, and then he's doing whatever he's doing. But um that's a tough decision to make just to keep a team together, and a lot of players won't do that. Kyrie couldn't do it, right? He said, Now I'm out, I want to be trained, I'm gonna be out.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:43

What's more important to you? Is it your money or is it your legacy? You're gonna be like Melo and be like, hey, fuck want to play with you. I'm with the bag. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:52

You know, he made the right he made the right. I don't think Carmelo Anthony's legacy is ever gonna be questioned because oh, I think he's all time different, yeah. But some not everybody like look to Charles Barkley and and these other guys. Nobody ever like we always make fun of him and they take it like whatever, but Melo, he made those decisions. He's also excelled in international basketball. Like he is the uh you think Olympics, you think Carmelo Anthony, you think KD, Carmelo, and LeBron all the time. Those are the three that you think about, and the dream team and all that other stuff, obviously. But when you think of U.S. basketball, at least in the modern era, it's those three. And Carmelo was, you know, before he stopped playing, was the golden boy. He had the most points, the most this, the most that, the most highlights. And he and now, you know, I think Braun stole that shine and KD'd his past Olympics. Yeah, he got the most points and stuff like that. But it's still relative. And I don't hate Jordan. Why do you? I don't know why you say that. It's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:50

Man, I ain't saying you hate him, but it's terrible. I don't know if it's the fans or Jordan did something to you growing up, like whatever, bruh. But like it's just I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:01

Yeah, well, it is what it is. Uh do you got anything else that's uh on your mind or that's coming on today? Uh yeah, man. Yeah. What is that you wear? What is that jacket? I like it. It's like a little bit of a car hard joint, little work joint. I like it. I need to get one of those. I don't have one. I do have no John Coltrane Supreme one.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:23

I'm about to say, man, go to the thrift store. The hype around car hard work where stuff has died down tremendously. I like the aesthetic. I still like it, despite the fact that it's not, you know, the fashion MF wave no more. But Township.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:36

I drive my car's too nice, man. I can't like I have to be in a pickup truck or a hoop ride to be wearing some shit like that. Oh, I drive, I drive heavy duty trucks a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:45

So exactly. You wear it fits in and and pickups. That's my that's my aesthetic.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:50

Yeah, man. You can't drive around.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:52

You drive batteries and shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:53

Yeah, you know, Mercedes and all that shit. You can't be looking like that. Don't work that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:00

Yeah, it's also the Elon Musk Tesla shirt that they got for you. Yeah. So you can learn that model that's the hot dog at around time.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:07

A little tight, you know, show off my man boobs. Anyway, that's been another 12 Hub Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:13

It's been another one for the books. Make sure you guys, if you made it this far, please leave a review. Preferably five stars. Like if you're watching this on YouTube, leave a comment. If you listen to this on any other streaming platforms, do whatever those things require, man. We would really appreciate it. Keep engaging on Instagram, TikTok, and on Reddit. Even if shout out to Reddit, yeah, even if you're smooth brain and didn't listen to the episode at all and made your own opinion before you even finished the clip. I just shout out to the most recent Redditor I talked to who went back and forth with me in comments just to say I didn't even watch the clip. Cap. He just read the comments.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:53

That's so weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:54

Comment nah, he only said that because I proved that he drink bleach in his spare time. And he got upset that he paid money for them Palace 95s after waiting in line. He was upset that we were talking about it. And he was like, I didn't even watch the video you guys were talking about. I'm like, yes, you did. I mean, yeah. I put it. Why did you even leave that comment?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:15

Yeah, well, I did post it two weeks late, but it was in the Palace Forum or Par Palace Subreddit, sorry. And I I just was like, here's some information. This is our thoughts on it. I'm just thinking, like, you is it are we in this like information-driven society where everything just gets stale the second it happens? Like, oh yeah, which is true.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:37

Sometimes you do miss your mark, but it's just the simple fact that like his big brag was, I was at that line. I said, So you just guaranteed that you got harassed by the police and walked away with nothing. That's not the fleck you think it is, big duck.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:49

Yeah, but we gave perspective to why like our point. It wasn't it wasn't the point about the event happening.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:54

That happens, like it's the point of why would you cause all that pandemonium for a shoe that you can get from the comfort of your own home? Exactly. Before drops, if you below those no-seller fees, you can probably get it below retail.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:11

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:11

And I think that the hype, and you know, like you can even hearken back. Like, hey, what if we were talking about the pigeon dunk release? So, not to I'm not trying to bring up Jeff Staples and all that, but you could we could hearken back to that and say resell culture had an impact on that release to to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:27

Well, you to complain about the promptness of information on the shoe that came out 31 years ago. It's fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:34

If that but people will be in the well, I was there in line the 30 years ago when this happened. You're late.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:40

I'm like, but roll out of this information on the 95 is late. Boy, the shoe came out in 1995. Shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:47

Leave a tip on your way out. I'm excited to see what people are gonna say about this episode on the comments and um Reddit. But our community on Reddit is big. I think that's something we need to lean into more and you know, maybe show our faces. Yeah, I just don't think associate the the the clips with the people.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:04

Yeah, I just think people assume that like because we take about like an hour out of our day to catch up and talk about a little hobby, that like this is like our life, or like it matters what they think.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:16

Like, yo, you they think you get 50 comments on something that you getting paid.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:20

I'm looking, yeah, I'm like, nah, it don't work that way, bro. Like, fam, like, trust and believe you, me, Drew, all the guests that we've ever had could walk away from this shit, leave, continue to live our happy and fulfilling lives, and y'all gonna be harassing the next motherfucker with a mic. 26,000. They just give everybody a mic, and I'm just like, yeah, you can get one too.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:42

Yeah, I never understood that. That comment that comment always it bothers me in a sense because you're engaging with our content, willing to say our takes were bad or good or whatever, but saying that baffles my mind. That means that we provoked a thought that we, whether we're right or wrong, we invoked an emotion, a thought that made you want to take time out of your busy life, your busy schedule, uh, from taking care of your family, from nursing your your your dying mother, to to to leave a comment about what we're doing. And and I mean, look, that's part of the whole thing. That's why we do it. Yeah, I love that shit because it at the end of the day, it's engagement. We need it, exactly. We actually need it. Yeah, we do need it, but you also gotta think like there's people who sit here, and this is that engagement that they're getting from it is like like them busting the nut or something, like, oh, I just made a I made the brilliant point of this or that. And when you call them out, like dog, every fact check yo.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:45

The way the way one dude, I can't remember what his name was, and your cuz was hilarious. He was all like, Man, you don't know where I'm from. He he got like fake internet self guy with. I said, brother, we'll never see each other in real life. And if you do, you're gonna walk right past me.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:59

Was that the Instagram guy? The the first few comments, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:02

Yeah, he humbled himself real quick when I saw that. He was like, Yeah, we can go, we can go fit for fit. I said, You as a grown man settling a disagreement on the internet with a dude, you don't even know by saying you take your commercialized retail products and make a cute little outfit, and I'll take my little products and make a cute little outfit, and we'll have them screen to screen. I'm like, brother, but is what you're saying? Some of that shit is fun if you engage with it and it might turn into a moment. Now, fit battles be cool when like when people, you know, just posting stuff, but you know, but like, yo, like you really getting like upset to the point where you're like, Man, pull out your oldest shoe, and I've been my collection, wash is yours. I'm all like, what is the validation you're looking for in the day?

SPEAKER_03 2:01:44

I mean, I mean, look, we're we're sneaker people. I don't like saying sneaker head, I just sneaker people. I think it's it's fun if you get to have the time to do it. That's why uh and we'll leave on this. But when I was um watching last night, Drew was on a live stream on TikTok with a couple of his homies. So you know, TikTok community is not us. So um, these guys, all middle-aged dudes with extensive collections, right? And I'm very impressed. I'm looking at the stuff, but they sat there talking about the engagement stuff. How do I get more likes and shares of my posts? And I'm like, you sit here wasting your time in a huddle with a bunch of other people talking about how you can make better content in a live stream, and I'm texting Drew and I'm like, yo, I'm like, why are you here? And he's like, I don't know. I'm just here because my boy, I'm supporting. I'm like, you know, sometimes in the community, and this is why this is why I love Greg and George and them. They isolate themselves from this bullshit. They used to remember, I like I don't know how long you've been listening to Sneak Disc, but I came in, I I came in I think 2018, 19, 18, 19.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:53

So they do about three years. I was in the pandemic era, so 2012, 2021.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:57

Yeah, I probably put you on. I probably put you guys on, right? I think so. Because I started listening to it in 2018.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:02

They got into some controversy with somebody, the Clark Kent thing. There's a bunch of stuff. I remember that Clark Kent shit, but I I learned that in retrospect. They got into it with somebody, and I'm not gonna lie, the first episode I heard, I was like, yo, who's these old niggas like flecking? Like acting like they're the shit. And then I was uh killing time during my workouts because we was on lockdown, and I started listening to them and the sneaker box the trick. They did the yeah, and I was just like, the more I would listen to George, Greg, and Rico and them, yeah, I would I would laugh. I'm like, bro, these dudes are funny, and then they knew what the fuck they was talking about.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:44

Exactly, it was just an easy listen, exactly. And and it's like the whole point of these things, and you you we bring it up all the time, is that it's not just about the sneakers. We talk about sports, we talk about our lives, we talk about all types of random shit. When these guys, when I saw this thing, it was the most depressing thing I've ever seen in my life. These guys are just talking about how to make a better sneaker post on TikTok. I'm like, what the fuck? You know, like like and look, I'm sitting there like too hard on them because like if they can't hardly if they can't pay for it. No, they're not. No, no, no. I looked at all these guys, and they're all like, like I said, they're they're they're there, they're culture. Like they they are the sneaker culture, they love what they do. They all got nine, this is this is their escape. They want to get on TikTok, show off their collections, and and do whatever. But for every guy that does that, there's another guy who's doing it better and has a bigger following and whatever. Like the market's so saturated. And actual discussions, not necessarily about collecting, but about culture and how it ties into what sneakers are to us. Like we talk about performance basketball shoes. What's good for hooping, what's good for this. We talk about like LeBron and Jordan, some, you know, like that stuff, and it's relevant because it's sneaker shit and it ties to legacies and all that, and why, you know, like you're not getting those conversations. And then when they do have them, like I can listen to other sneaker podcasts, and when they talk about that Brian Winhorse thing, the perspective will be weird. They'll start breaking down numbers, like, oh yeah, the Giannis only sold this. So he's right, he's right. You know, they'll be like, no, it's it's it's culture doesn't revolve around numbers, culture revolves around thoughts and feelings about certain things and how they impact you and your life in the moment. So these culture guys, this is my advice to the culture guys on TikTok and whatnot, that Drew, yourself as well. Stop trying so hard and just live your life and have fun with what you're doing before you know, like everybody wants to make a great piece of content. We don't make great pieces of aesthetic content. Our quality isn't the best. Obviously, we have guys on here like fucking like John and and Eric and Eric, um Eddie with the microphones not working right, but we went viral. Those dog, our most viral moment was Eddie's loud ass phone mic, you talking your shit about some Jordan and LeBron thing, and it has a half a million views on TikTok, and it's not polished, it's just us having a conversation, and people were engaged and happy to see somebody actually having a discussion about a sneaker that you know what I mean, like it it and that's the direction it it goes in. And I and I feel like grass and grass and roots, yeah. And that's that's something, you know. And I told I haven't spoken to Greg about, like, I feel like I'm gonna help them. I told them I would help with clips or something like that one day. And and and I messed, I have another, we have we have like a fenster page that has like it's called sneaker labs. So I post like clips of different sneaker people, and I and one of the posts I did a a couple of posts I did a sneak this on that did very well, better than the engagement they get on their own socials. So it's like I think a lot of what the community is missing, and this goes to the big creators and the small ones, is that they don't they they they're not everybody's focused on catching the trend sometimes, or they're in their own head about their own shit, like they think this is good or that's good. Um, I don't look at it that way with what we do. I look at it from the thing that says, okay, this is what Drew's good at, this is what Kari's good at, is what I'm good at, and these are the conversations we've got because most sometimes, dog, the whole clip will be you, or the whole clip will be Drew, or the whole clip will be me. And it kind of just brings in our personality, it's not us having arguments or discussions individually, it's us informing in our special way, and that's the way it you know you get your following. I noticed that you're now that your Instagram is more open. I think you like since we started doing this a little bit more, like your follower counts doubled, right? Yeah, like you're you're it's gotta be. Yeah, but you your page was private for a long time before we while we were doing this, wasn't it? Well, it wasn't private, I just didn't have shit on. Okay, okay, yeah. But either way, like now you're engaging with the community, having discussion, people are DMing you and and DMing. I get DMs all the time. I don't read any of this shit anymore, but people are finding out, oh, these guys have personalities, they check out the show. But it's so saturated out there that it's gonna take, I think personally, it's gonna take more time and and real engagement with people, meaning maybe maybe we do events, maybe we start doing different types of content, all that type of stuff. And it'll grow as time goes on, but I feel like we're we're in a great spot with how the movement goes with with our community at least and the people that we're attracting. Because these are the type of people that I would fuck with on a regular basis. That's how I got into this, you know, with from me meeting up with you guys and talking and all that shit. So we're gonna do our I just think that like it's just ridiculous. Some of this stuff, I mean, Reddit's just ridiculous. Uh, and I'm looking at our personal page, 26,000 people off of our page, and this is you know where I posted that originally on the Kobe Reps page. It was a Kobe rep replica page, and people were going crazy over it now.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:51

Oh, yeah, I did see that.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:52

Yeah, and there's two conversations going on in two different Reddits. Yeah, the Kobe Rep one has 33,000 views, ours off of our and 70 comments, the one off of our page has 26,000 views. So it's like 50 50, 60,000 views on all of these, and people are leaving decent comments. I haven't read through all of them, I stopped looking at it, but we've had a good conversation here, and then it's and it's gonna continue.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:21

After a while, all the all the alerts, I just gotta be like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:25

Yeah, TikTok's starting to work for us again, too. I'm seeing it, but it's not like TikTok's so hit or miss, and so is YouTube now. Um, the algorithms change a lot. So anywho, this is fun. Just check in with you next week. Alright, bro. Yeah. You have a good weekend. Check out you too. Check you on the chat on the chat. Yeah, hopefully we'll make it up to DC before the like in the summertime. We're we've rescheduled our trip and our coming in. Uh, we're supposed to come next week, and we're not doing that anymore. So uh I will be there this summer, hopefully, because we got some time between then and our vacation. Going to Hawaii. Um you vacationing this year? Going anywhere? Not currently.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:07

We I got some ideas, but see how they play out.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:10

Don't leave the country. I mean, uh, I didn't plan on it. It's expensive now, too, man. I'm I'm glad we booked these flights because plane tickets are gonna be crazy. Once this oil shit starts really fucking hitting the fan, it's gonna be fucking ridiculous. Yeah, shout out to the economy. Yeah, boat and boats are expensive too. They they they take fuel.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:30

Sailboat, like I said, hit up the uh your local cruise line.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:35

See what happens. Yeah, cruises. I think cruises are affordable, they might go up a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:40

Cruises uh have been having some decent decent prices lately.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:43

Yeah, maybe I'll I don't want Sean keeps talking about going on a cruise. We canceled last year. I might might consider it, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:51

Oh, yeah, yeah, hang out with pirates and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:54

We just hung out with him in January. I have to go we have to go to DC though. I know we've been busy though. He's in trouble, try working on these deals.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:01

We need to have a pod, a proper pod meetup.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:03

I want to do a pod somewhere, like if you could hook up, and we'll talk about when I'm in DC. We could hook if you could get a storefront for us to chill at, we could do a pod live. I'll bring all the equipment. Shit, I know some places.

unknown 2:11:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:17

I usually drive up, so I could just bring my um I'll bring the cre uh camera. Drew, uh well, he'll tell you he just got an opportunity. And I think he's just signed up. Yeah, that's why he's been so busy. And today's his wife's birthday, obviously. But um, he might be traveling a lot more for work. Let's just put it that way, if everything works out for him. So congrats on that. I don't think everything's final, but if it if it is, he'll tell you soon. Uh, but um, nah, I mean it's there's a lot of things we can do. I want to, you know, next I want to do more live stuff and travel around with this, have some fun with it. Cause it's gonna um you can just grow from here. Anywho. All right, man. I'll let you go. Good night. See you later. Peace. Everybody.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:04

Easy.