The Sneaker Content Creator Critique Featuring Sneaker Fetish, Qias Omar & Seth Fowler

Is sneaker reselling dead? Discover why top creators are liquidating collections and how to survive the 2026 market shift.

The digital landscape for footwear enthusiasts and collectors has fundamentally shifted from a passionate community into a highly transactional marketplace. In this episode of The 12 Hub (Episode 55), the crew breaks down the critical realities facing modern sneakerheads, including the massive wave of prominent content creators clearing out their collection cubicles.

From navigating arbitrary grading discrepancies on platforms like Goat App and StockX—such as unverified suede creases on an Air Max 90 Viotek—to analyzing why General Releases (GRs) like Sambas and Air Force Ones are sitting on outlet hash walls far below MSRP, this deep dive explores the macroeconomic realities of "sneakernomics." We evaluate the cultural impact of industry giants like Seth Fowler, Kais Omar, and Sneaker Fetish vs. organic community building, while touching on the viral hood-platinum pineapple Kool-Aid craze, bad sports juju at MSG, and navigating modern neighborhood dynamics.

Time Stamps:
00:00 – The Goat App Discrepancy Secret Exposed
00:33 – Welcome to Episode 55: Fly Checks & The Double Nickel
04:00 – Testing the Platform Algorithm: The 275 Browser Tabs Metric
09:00 – The Real Reason Top Sneaker YouTubers are Quitting
20:15 – Where Are They Now? Tracking the OGs of Sneaker TV
22:15 – Reseller Slop: Why US Sneaker Creators Got Lazy
24:30 – Sneakernomics: Why Hype Shoes are Hitting the Outlet Hash Wall
29:05 – Drew Saves the Pod: Air Force 1 Co.JP Flaxseed Review
37:25 – The Copycat Callout: Did Sneaker Fetish Steal The Twelve Hub Aesthetic?
40:15 – Fact-Checking the View Counts: Busting the 3,500 Views Myth
50:30 – The Debate Begins: Is Sneaker Fetish an "Industry Darling" or Just Whack?
57:15 – Cultural Impact vs. Raw Numbers: The Drake & Jay-Z Metric Applied to Footwear Content
59:20 – Shaking Hands with the Circle: Qias Omar’s Global Appeal vs. Real Streets
01:01:45 – The Utility Era: Why Qias, Sneaker Fetish, and Seth Fowler are Just Information Desks
01:03:30 – Moving the Needle: How Sneak This and Drew Impact Real Buying Decisions
01:06:00 – The 90 Twitter Comments Battle: Defending Your Content Authority Online
01:10:00 – Under the Microscope: Pulling up Sneaker Fetish’s Live Metrics and Low Engagement
01:12:00 – The Blueprint of a Giant: Why Seth Fowler is the Only Respected Mega-Creator Left
01:13:30 – Skits vs. Real Content: The Truth About 30-Second Hype Videos
01:15:30 – The Verdict: Why Appraising Sneaker Fetish's Catalog Isn't "Hating," It's Marketing
01:18:15 – Unconscious Bias & Modern Neighborhood Filters
01:21:45 – The Secret Trump Card Renewal Form in the Mailbox
01:23:45 – Tesla Model S Autopilot Cleveland Road Trip Sign-off

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

What a bunch of middle-aged people talk about shit that don't matter. Like, subscribe and scare. Like and subscribe on YouTube. Leave a comment on all of our social medias. And if you're listening to this on the podcast platform, please leave a review. If it ain't five stars, it don't matter with something. And they want to be like, I can't help it. And I'm like, cool, I'll just follow Charge Bag and then report you to the BBB. And they're like, I'm so sorry. Um, sir, uh, which nut do you want suck first? The left or the right one? And I was like, why not take a day, bruh?

SPEAKER_05 0:33

Both preferably recording.

SPEAKER_04 0:37

Oh, we want to give a shout out to today's sponsor, GoDap.

SPEAKER_05 0:42

We get people at stock X and what can suck both nuts. Cock X. Episode 55.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

Cock X. Double nickel. And and H is all cleaned up and looking looking fly. Oh yeah, relatively doping.

SPEAKER_05 1:01

I dyed my my whole face. I can tell, man. You didn't notice that? I was gray last week.

SPEAKER_04 1:06

I don't like looking at your face that much, period. But yeah, now that you mention it, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10

It's hard to look at handsome for that long. It's weird, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:13

Is that what the white player?

SPEAKER_05 1:18

That was so funny. I've been I always is that you on the shirt?

SPEAKER_04 1:21

I see a bald light-skinned guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:24

Tyson, baby. Oh, okay. Before they turned into a market that's not in Chinatown anymore. That that used to trigger you so bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:35

Why we used to be like, man, they're cowards. They should just stay Chinatown market.

SPEAKER_05 1:40

I would have, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:41

They they slipped since they become politically correct.

SPEAKER_05 1:44

I mean, they ain't never been marcus now, so I can't. They did they did the right thing. Hey, right next to fucking um, what's that shit called? Not vape. Um, ice creams, and what's the other brand? What's the other what's the other brand from what's his name? Billionaire voice club. Yep, right. They're all right up there next to each other. All in the same section.

SPEAKER_04 2:04

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 2:05

Last time I was in there, that was like 2022, maybe or 23.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

Yeah, at this point, I see market in urban outfitters, so that's a good store. Ubiquitous, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 2:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 2:16

But what's been up, y'all? 55 episodes in. How y'all feeling?

SPEAKER_05 2:20

I feel I want to try that damn pineapple Kool-Aid shit. Have you have you tried that yet? They got that shit in your local hood. Fucking pineapple.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

Are you talking about that CIA psy out that everyone says killing people?

SPEAKER_05 2:30

That's that's uh they dip the the pineapple in the Kool-Aid. And you see that shit?

SPEAKER_02 2:36

It's like a viral sugary. It sounds like diabetes. It is a black straight up diabetes.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

It's the black people version of uh that Panera supercharger in that was giving people heart attacks. Except it's all sugar.

SPEAKER_05 2:50

It's crazy though, because the you ever buy jarred pineapples with the syrup, like you know, like how they do with the peaches? I never bought two cups. Yeah, I've never bought pineapples, I bought peaches like that. But the pineapple is the same thing, but people have been mixing Kool-Aid in it. At first, it was just the Kool-Aid coloring, then they started like going overboard and putting the sugared Kool-Aid and then the sugared Kool-Aid with more sugar. And people are eating this. I saw Charleston White eating it, and I was like, damn. Oh nah. One of Charleston White's on it, you know it's it's triple platinum in the hood.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

It is, it is, man. Well, for our 60th episode, we're gonna have an order come to each one of our homes and we're gonna push it to the limit. See if our home, it's not that hard. If they sell it out of a truck, I'm sure all of us can make it, but is it worth it? Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 3:47

Is it worth it? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 3:48

Man, what is worth it these days as we talk about first world problems of buying expensive sneakers?

SPEAKER_05 3:56

I'm trying to liquidate. Man, I've been liquidating the goat. Don't want to take my damn shoes, though. They said my biotech nine air max 90s had a crease in them, and I looked at the picture that they sent me. There was no damn crease in it. Appeal it, you can't appeal it.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

You just you can only offer a discount, then they I thought you can appeal their decision. I know you can on stock X.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

No, do they not watch the show? They know you don't wear shoes.

SPEAKER_05 4:23

Yeah, but I I told them I wasn't willing to give a discount, plus the box was messed up, but still, how big was the discount? They said five to they give you five to fifteen percent. You pick a number, but I said no, you can't five boy. Flip them on eBay.

unknown 4:36

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 4:36

Well, they're in during goat storage now. H don't use eBay, that's too much manual or you gotta take pictures.

SPEAKER_04 4:44

That see, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 4:46

This was one pair. This was one pair. Well, not 600 pairs. Goat took pictures for me and they listed it on goat, and I upped the price to $300. Wait, they were in storage and they had a creature. I put it in storage. I was about to say that's on them. Well, on them to what sell it now?

SPEAKER_04 5:04

Yeah, no, it'd be on them to eat that uh eat that discrepancy if it was in storage, but you see it.

SPEAKER_05 5:11

But it's crazy. They sent me shoes that look like they've been worn in fucked up boxes. Have you disputed those? No, I just put them on your fuck.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

So you're part of the problem.

SPEAKER_05 5:22

You see me? You're not part of the problem. I'm part of the solution.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

I just like you're supposed to complain. No, you shouldn't accept it if they're not accepting your shit.

unknown 5:31

Uh whatever.

SPEAKER_05 5:32

Well, the buyer didn't accept it, not goat. Goat said, Hey, here's the problem, but I didn't see a problem. It's a suede, soft suede shoe, so it it's been in a fucking box, and and the only reason it looks like it has a crease because the the tissue paper was like crumbled up. I put like new tissue paper because I got it at the outlet, so it was an outlet shoe, right? And I put it in the newer box, but it had like this, you know, I just put new tissue paper in there, and the tissue paper made it look lumpy because when I saw the picture, actually, I should bring up the picture. I see it show to y'all. I will be the judge. Yeah, I'll show y'all. I didn't see a crease, they said creases and fucking fucked up box and all types of shit. Dread, that's me, babe. Soran Madani just hit me up.

SPEAKER_04 6:15

The fuck? You said the mayor of New York just hit you up. Nah, some bullshit. Oh, what do you want? Tell them uh get some tickets to MSG.

SPEAKER_05 6:24

You know about that game.

SPEAKER_04 6:27

About that game, man. They had to put the brooms up. They lived to fight another day. It was a good game. Yeah, they was letting the boys go at it.

SPEAKER_05 6:37

Not really. Wemby fucking just beat up on him, but the refing was the refs were awful, terrible, awful in that game. Refs and six. You think they're gonna let I mean uh the Knicks definitely had the upper hand from my yeah, I still think it's bad Trump Juju.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Like, I just think that was all. Like Trump is out. So Dolan invited Trump to the game, correct?

SPEAKER_04 7:08

Yeah, yeah. Yep. That's crazy. Dolan tries to kick actual players from the team out and then invites Trump to the game.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Some bullshit. Yeah, this world makes no fucking sense. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_05 7:22

You saw he was falling asleep and shit in the thing. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

He slept, yeah. He fell asleep. I mean, I can see the box, but this is the crease. Yeah, that's not a crease. That's crazy. That's not a crease.

SPEAKER_05 7:35

Look at the top. Does that look like that's not these are perfect? They're solid. Shit, now I want to wear them. That's not buying back. That doesn't even look like it. How does that look like it? That's true.

SPEAKER_04 7:51

The box is a bigger concern than anything if you think about that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

That's not oh no, according to them. That the boxes, well, they said the box is fine because of the examples of boxes they had, as long as it stays up. They're fine.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

I mean the Nike Sportsware box, they made out of recycled materials anyway.

SPEAKER_05 8:08

So, yeah, but these charges red boxes suck. Look at it, it still has the factory tie and everything is tucked into the shoe. That hasn't been touched, besides me throwing in some fucking paper. But look at that, like right on top. Now, that could have come from the fact that's not a crease. You put that on your feet. See, that's not a crease to me, but whatever. Like, can I zoom in on that? I could that's not enough that I will be comfortable off this joint right here. Yeah, but zooms at the bottom. Oh, yeah, you can demand Drew. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

Yeah, he can see that's what I'm here for.

SPEAKER_05 8:42

See that a little they said that's a crease.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Yeah, there's no crease on the red part, right? That maroon part, it would crease there.

SPEAKER_05 8:51

Come on, that would that's what you think it would crease, but it actually you know touches the thing, but whatever. It's in the fucking stores now, and we're gonna have to wait for them to give me more money or well.

SPEAKER_04 9:00

Listeners of the show who are looking for a pair of H's favorite Air Macs, man, help the guy out. No discount will be provided unless you've watched every episode of the show. And if that's the case, let me see your watch history. Then you got it.

SPEAKER_05 9:14

You got it, dogs.

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Well, you're getting rid of that's the trend with YouTubers. I'm seeing Tony D Wilde, uh, Seth, Fowler, not to be confused with Seth Eaton. Everybody's just clearing out their cubicles, man. You quitting the game?

SPEAKER_05 9:29

Buying a bunch of shit. I bought I bought some um field jacks 100 bucks. Oh my god. For some field jacks. I was about to buy them off Nike, but they had a discount. Chocolate and blue pair? Mm-hmm. $100. Oh you could have gained that to like a homeless okay. They're nice though. That's a nice shoe.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

Um they're okay. I'm gonna get it. What you gonna do with them? You ain't wearing them.

SPEAKER_05 9:59

I'm not wearing them.

SPEAKER_04 10:02

Where?

SPEAKER_05 10:03

Around the house or something? Outside, who knows? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Around the house. You make no sense, dude. You should be like put on an allowance. Like you should have to ask somebody to to release money to your account because you just you have a problem.

SPEAKER_05 10:20

I think you have the problem.

SPEAKER_04 10:22

Nah. That that text message earlier about the supreme drop.

SPEAKER_05 10:28

I'm all like, boy, oh boy, what will we do without you? Yo, that's that's a solid drop. Those jackets are nice, yo. What's this supreme week for you, man?

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Uh if you need me to go for you for something. No, actually, I'm not supporting this habit. No, I'm not going for anything. That's right, dude.

SPEAKER_05 10:45

And it drops on my birthday.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

What?

SPEAKER_05 10:48

Your birthday is Thursday? I'll give you some dustification. Okay, we'll let you live. See, you know, I told you, I told you all my birthday is Thursday.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

I mean, we heard, we probably didn't care.

SPEAKER_05 11:03

Yeah, so these jackets are fire, yo. What the fuck? I don't want to see no ad, bro. How do you not like that? These are fire.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

How do I not like that? I mean, it's pretty easy. What's wrong with it? Um not enough appeal to me to want to drop that money for.

SPEAKER_05 11:23

Well, they got they got matching sweats, yeah. No, brother, that ain't for me. It's a weird collab though. Who is this with Jacob and July? Jacob and company La Martina or something. The Jacob the Juva Martin Rose. Oh, this this is Martini Martinian Rossi chick.

SPEAKER_04 11:45

No, brother.

SPEAKER_05 11:46

Let's not revisit that because you stumbled over that like a babe in the woods. Oh, the rhinestone. I love the their rhinestone mesh shorts. I have to get it. You're gonna be one of them fashion MFs that's dripping out in uh bedazzle.

SPEAKER_04 11:59

Oh, excuse me. Bedazzle bedazzle clothes.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

I will chimp out in some bedazzle clothes. Chimp out, chimp out crazy, dude. That's like a term in endearment now amongst the blacks. Yo, I just thought about something. Isn't that like now the people just using it casually, especially black people? I'm not about to change the narrative.

SPEAKER_04 12:18

Sorry to my ancestors. That word doesn't that phrase does not trigger me. It only incites laughter, bro.

SPEAKER_05 12:24

I don't really take yeah, I don't take it seriously. I was thinking if I was to say it, would it bother you if I was just people say it angry? I mean, it depends on how you say it, Drew.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

I'm like, bro, like I you're not gonna saying that when people that's wild.

SPEAKER_05 12:39

Um, stop chimping out.

SPEAKER_04 12:44

Somebody do something real sus, or like my cat'll run around with the zoom like, bruh, stop chimping out, bro. I'm like, chill, bro.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

I think everybody, you know, if yo, you flip the you flip the uh meaning of it and takes away all the things.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

If if I were to get murdered and I had a special segment and y'all breaking down my case, and they were like, Yeah, somebody told Carr to chimp out and he drew a gun. No, that that's a psyop, bro. Know that I was set up because that word's not gonna incite anger, right?

SPEAKER_05 13:15

Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. You see, um wait, I was something was on the top of my head. Yeah. No, no, no. I was thinking of something. Oh, the Knicks fans are wild. You see them beating down on them damn uh Spurs fans outside.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

That's unnecessary behavior, but also to play devil's advocate, I wouldn't go to MSG with no Spurs jersey, huh? Yeah, people are bold.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Yeah, it's like yeah, I'm in Philly. That's a normal occurrence at just a normal sporting event. So uh they got a jail in Philly Stadium, so you already know.

SPEAKER_05 13:53

It makes me feel like look at this shit, man. This is so stupid. Like, dude, he just there casually walking down the street. Like, hey, let me just go here.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

He basically said chimp out on the back and he got what he asked for.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah, and he was walking with purpose, like he wasn't like just his ass beat, although kicking him and stuff. I don't know. That's that's a bit like that's a bit much.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

I wasn't gonna say racism, but I see some uh lighter toned skinned people doing some of the debauchery as well.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

Oh, there was a white girl jumped in and started kicking this motherfucker. Yo, there's no bound, there's no and yo, the cops are just looking at this. The cops are just watching. Yo, check this one.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

New York is not a real place, bro.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

Check this out. This is this one's crazy. These guys are just in the brawl. They didn't like you. The beginning of this fight, these guys are just like going at it, and then the cops start like jumping after they started messing, you know, like pushing against the glass on the yeah. That cop just like undercut, yeah, body blow, body blow. Yo, the beginning of this video, homeboy took that that sign and started beating people in the head with it, and the cops just stood there watching it, they were just watching it, and they arrested these guys. Homeboy was doing all the hitting, like bounced, as one would like get the hell out of and one thing about what I love about New York, and this is something I used to do when I was a kid, yo, before I started sweating all the time. Time your homeboy's wearing a bubble coat, and it's like 90 degrees out. You see that shit? Homeboy wearing a hoodie. Look at this shit. Yo, I used to wear a winter coat in the summertime all year round because I only had like this one cool, like Nordica, like sports, you know what I mean? Like cat, like uh, what'd they call it? What they call those coats with the I don't know what it was, whatever. But uh, I used to wear that all year round with a t-shirt, like a triple fat goose. No, no, no, no. Just a triple zip up, like a that sounds like a windbreaker type of joint, like a windbreaker joint, you know, like a full zip up. But yeah, but like dude, you see dude was over there wearing a bubble coat, another dude over there. Yo, that's Captain America, boy. But look, look, the cops are just sitting the cops are just standing there watching this. It's like 10 cops that they ain't doing shit. Man, you gotta let them tie themselves out first because Bigams is not playing with nobody. He wearing a Carl Anthony Towns jersey, too.

SPEAKER_04 16:03

That shit is tight as same white as uh same way.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

Look at look at homeboy pulled the cop pulled that one dude away. Like, nah, that's the the one dude he pulled away. I got actually got arrested. Look at that. This is for a uh sporting event, bro. This is nuts. Yeah, then the cops come in. Look at this shit. He's hitting them with a metal sign. That shit's wild. You gotta let him get tacked. This is chimping out right there, yeah. Shout out to Chubb the Builder, yo. That's crazy. Fuck that dude. This will be getting no. I just I just want to make sure that you know he gets locked under the jail.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

You know, yo, I was watching the trial. Yo, if someone brought like a million dollars, they were they were gonna bond him out.

SPEAKER_05 16:43

Oh, that white dude? Um, Jiddyong's friend. No, he's thinking of uh what's his name? Jideon's friend is uh he's a predator catcher. Predator catcher, yeah. Oh man, which is crazy. I bet you they raid his house. I bet you they raid his house. There'd be a ton of CP in his house.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:01

I already know everyone says that. Everyone's all like, bro, that guy's but he's if you watch his content, he's one of the best to do as far as like getting convictions because he knows how to fucking he knows who to go after his boys, yo.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

They own the same chat rooms.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

Yeah, he uh he got on my radar when he got EDP 445 out of there.

SPEAKER_05 17:21

That was fun.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

I remember him.

SPEAKER_05 17:25

What's he doing?

SPEAKER_04 17:26

He's still trying to make content, he won't quit. They banned him off every platform, he makes a new account and he keeps trying. He don't have nothing else. Does he make who gives him money though? How does he make money? I mean, people actually believe EDP is in this. There's some people who be like, Man, check the builder, check the builder, uh Chet Rose and set him up, and man, he he's not a pedophile, or he he deserves a second chance, or you notice he wasn't convicted on any charges, so it must be bullshit. People really are riding that EDP 445 training. Why? I don't know. It's funny that 445 equals 13, and that was the age of the person he was trying to meet. That's wild entered that prison 445. He's got like stage five of like kidney failure, he goes to dialysis and shit. So his time's off what's up.

SPEAKER_05 18:22

Oh wow, you know a lot about this guy.

SPEAKER_04 18:24

Oh man, I was following that like chronically, like it was a college course. They can just pack him up, just give him one of them uh diabetes blenders, he out of here. Like one of those pineapple cups. He's cooked.

SPEAKER_05 18:37

Yeah, I wonder what he's you gotta really, he's younger than me, too. So he must have been really fucking up.

SPEAKER_04 18:42

Like, did you see his weight though, bro? Like, how big was he? Yeah, man, comfortably in the four hundreds. He might have been four four five. That's what that number problem is.

SPEAKER_05 18:57

Oh, he does say he's still got a you he got a YouTube. I don't know. He has a song, he has songs out on Spotify.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

What? Okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:05

Oh, he has a cameo account.

SPEAKER_04 19:08

Cameo well, like he wasn't convicted, so I guess cameo let him rock.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Yeah, there are no standards anymore for real. Like there's no standards. You do you could be a hell, you could become the president if you have a criminal record, right?

SPEAKER_05 19:24

Hey, $28 to do a cameo. 28?

SPEAKER_04 19:28

Well, that's like a meal for him, so it's not bad.

SPEAKER_05 19:31

It's not bad.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

Shout out to EDP. Yeah, EDP. Uh, we'll be hitting up your cameo soon, and I need you to reverbate him what we type. Not guilty. I need you to plug the pod.

SPEAKER_05 19:42

He's got merch on bonfire, whatever the fuck that is. All shirts and 6XL probably. He's just refused to go to the phone. Yo, it goes. Yo, you're right. It does go up to 6XL.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

Damn, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 19:57

A 4XL actually.

SPEAKER_04 19:59

No, that's discriminatory because he knows he can't even fit that. He's got the hoodies. I remember T.

SPEAKER_05 20:09

He got a Snapchat too.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

Damn. Oh god. Only 13 year olds allowed. Yeah, this guy's uh I don't understand.

SPEAKER_05 20:19

There's so many people out there with like followings that you think shouldn't have followings, especially after they faded into obscurity. Like us. We haven't plateaued. I hope we never do. What's sneaker creator from back in the day that that you guys used to watch doesn't exist anymore? I don't even know what that is.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

Yeah, sneaky he's not TV, bro. He was like the OG brother.

SPEAKER_05 20:47

Oh, um, dude with the bit butt, but he still makes content. He's like Bitcoin and shit. Like that. He's in crypto. Yeah. The brother, like, he's he used to talk a lot of shit. I forgot his name though.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

Most people I think still that I follow anyway, are still like lingering around, if not like completely shifting their content. Like um DJ Dales. I used to watch him. I know DJ Dales.

SPEAKER_05 21:19

He did uh he did a couple big tapes for my man's.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

I'm about to say, I'm surprised I haven't crossed paths being from New York and being in the sneakers and being light-skinned. He's on some people trying to sneak a lot of it.

SPEAKER_05 21:32

Yeah, a sneaker likes to be like content. Yeah, but it he he stopped for a while. I didn't I never really liked his content. And then he one day he just popped back up, but he's been, I mean, to me, he's been gone. I've seen a couple of his videos pop up lately, though. Where's T Blake at? I remember him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:51

That was a rich kid, right? Yeah, he was he was in he invested wisely. I don't think he liked started off. Speaking of rich kids, friend elations. He's still making content, still making sandals friend relations. I don't know what that is, bro. Well, what that is, who that is. Put some respect on Fran, bro. I don't know who that is. Sandal Boys with a Z.

SPEAKER_05 22:13

Um, you got me digging in the archives now. I know. I'm thinking like who this there's a bunch of creators. I'm trying to find this one dude. He still made content, though. Drew the sneaker guy. What Dre the Sneaker? Drew sneakers, uh Kice TV. I don't subscribe to them in the YouTube channel. I thought it was my boy Kais, man. Keis Omar. I always like I used to like Kice's stuff. Still kind of do. He's a he's a he's a happy guy. Yeah, but when um what's the name started really getting on him? Um Troll McGinner. Well, the other guy. Oh, I don't know who else was here. Tripping's tripping. Oh, oh man. I mean, yo, I used to talk shit on him. Like, I he don't, I'm I'm not like on the guy's radar, but if he ever got man, he just I'm waiting for a roast. I'd love to get in it with that guy. He's funny.

SPEAKER_04 23:03

He's funny, but like some of his videos, I'm like, damn, bro. Like, have a coke and a smile, dog. He'd be like, this like some of those resellers must have taken money from him personally.

SPEAKER_05 23:13

Nah, I don't know. I mean, he's gotten replatformed a few times. He's had three different YouTube channels so far, but he keeps getting like follow every time he comes back, it's just bigger.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

I used to I used to watch him just you know to laugh and see his perspective, but it got to a point I was like, all right, man, we still harping on the same like five people. I'm tired of hearing about Cam Kicks and the the stock X authenticator, bruh. It's like, damn, bruh. Fight him, fight him is the shit. Cam kicks, whatever happened to him. He got married, he got pussy, and he was like, I'm out. I'm not sure if that's the complete pipeline, but things change when the fire nation attacked. He started getting some ass. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_05 23:54

Somebody started getting some pussy, and all of a sudden their whole life changes. Like, damn.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

Oh, that's the majority of these sneaker resellers. They're like, wait, I can make money not being a culture voucher, or I can get some ass. I'm out. Fuck these used ducks, man.

SPEAKER_05 24:07

I can get like a real job and have a you know chick.

SPEAKER_04 24:10

Holy shit, wait, I can mine crypto and sit on my ass and do nothing. Pokemon cars in my local Costco. I go to Costco all the time. Let's go.

SPEAKER_05 24:20

Yeah, man. These guys is wild.

SPEAKER_04 24:23

Well, man, you ride the wave until it's not able to be written anymore, man. That's how trends and shit happen. Even within sneakers for the people who still stick around, everybody went from retro Dreys to Dunks to SBs to ASICs, you know, they whatever is hot.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:42

Now I see a million or one videos of are sneakers dead.

SPEAKER_05 24:48

Oh, yeah, that's the only thing they talk about now. Or all you know, it's just whatever hits the algorithm.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Uh sneaker nomics made a video of basically saying, Can y'all shut the fuck up saying that? Like, I was like, bro, thanks.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

It's the same bullshit. Everybody, it's just whatever they think is cool to talk about because it's it's not dead, it's just gotten back to the hands of the people who actually started it. And now resellers. The crazy part of reselling right now, and I um we talked about the I think you were you here that week? You probably weren't here, Kari. I think Drew and I talked about it, but reselling is shifted to people just buying GRs for cheaper, and that's what resell shops do now. You go into a resale shop, everything's a Samba or an Air Max, I mean, or Air Force One or whatever, and they mark it down ten dollars cheaper than a footlocker and you buy it there. Yeah, they might get hooked in and buy Travis or whatever, but most people don't.

SPEAKER_04 25:42

There's no need to have these inflated prices, like you said, when you can just go to even places that was known for having crazy price hikes, like StockX has got Toro Fours and Imperial Purple slash Laker 4s under retail. You can get it like things that you get out the house. You'll be surprised what you find at the mall.

SPEAKER_05 26:04

I know it's a mall. Man, I would I'd be broke every week. If I went to the mall and actually picked up my shoes, I'd be broke.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

No, bro. That's why I don't go to the outlets anymore because I'll go in there. No, outlets are trash.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

Well, the one around me is trash.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

I don't know about how's the one looking in um whatever scary because you'll walk in there and you'll hit that back wall and you go, Okay, these are slightly under retail, but not enough to make me want to budge. And you either run into a homie that worked there, be like, yo, bro, just cash out. Yeah, I got you. Or the hash wall is on sale, an additional 20 to 30 percent off. And then the toxic thing that we always say, why not? And it's in front of my face, it's 40% off. Why not? And then you H trying to sell them three years later and arguing with gold to buy the crease. But for the most part, if I say that the outlet, it's something I wanted, I just didn't justify the MSRP, but seeing it cheaper.

SPEAKER_05 27:03

It's just so much, so much. I'm okay. I got found. I'm on my um I'm looking at the sneakers.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Always always on the podcast. Like H is always scrolling through his shit. Like, this is like is he working?

SPEAKER_04 27:16

I wonder how many tabs do we have open sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

No, I can't talk. I have 275 tabs open right now, so I'm not wanting to talk.

SPEAKER_04 27:25

That's about how much I have in my private browser.

SPEAKER_05 27:27

Yeah, whatever happened to Vsauce. Remember Vsauce? Science channel.

SPEAKER_04 27:33

Oh, yeah. Theo Joe Mat Pat, uh, V sauce.

SPEAKER_05 27:45

Um Theo Joe, remember him? Who? Theo Joe. He used to do tech stuff. No, he used to do fun tech videos, though. Does he still make videos?

SPEAKER_04 27:54

People realizing that I can just cash out on my earnings and just either pass the channel on to someone else and get residual income or find my next venture, bro.

SPEAKER_05 28:05

Having a YouTube platform is very, very um good. Don't let me get uh passive and company to YouTube.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

I'm a very, very good. That was deep.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

If you have a build one, if you build a good platform, man, you could get you guess some money machine if you could make content all the time. And people don't want to hit with a fucking card, though they barely gave a shit now. CNA. Damn. I'm just looking at my shit. This is such random people I'm subscribed to, at least in the beginning. And the content we're we're all subscribed for the CH's uh yo' Coshi. Whatever happened to Liza Coshi. What the fuck? But who the fuck are these people? You never heard of Liza Coshi?

SPEAKER_04 28:49

Obviously, not are they making sneaker content?

SPEAKER_05 28:51

No, I'm just uh this is way before I was in the scene.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

Rice gum, you know, rice gum, right? Man, that culture appropriator. Fuck him too. Get him out of here.

SPEAKER_05 29:01

Alyssa Violet. I remember her. She used to be part of that um how the hype house or whatever back in the day. 2017 with um, what's his name? The phase phase banks.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

This is terribly this is riveting conversation.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Yo, not even screen sharing. That's the worst part.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

I don't want to scare all this. I'm just kind of looking off to the side. What'd you guys pick up this week? Thank you, Drew. Please save us. Jeez. Oh, he's got he's got stuff to pull out the bag.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

It just arrived.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

You bought those? Get out of here. He bought the flaxseed air map. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

S Premier flipped me an invoice, so I put I can't do it.

SPEAKER_05 29:43

What's wrong as a New Yorker? What is wrong with these for you? There's nothing wrong with them. It's just I have that color already in the in the J J O P J P O, whatever. What's that? The Japan one? Code J P. Code J P, yeah. We got there. We got there. And they're better because they're nice. They're darker.

SPEAKER_04 30:01

What Code JP are you talking about? That same color. Like what you? Air Force, Dun?

SPEAKER_05 30:07

Air Force One.

SPEAKER_04 30:08

They have a weak Code JP.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

Oh, news to me. Uh-uh.

unknown 30:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:16

Nah, that's a solid shoe. Pull it up, bro. People are sleeping on the SB Air Force Ones. But for those who want them to go, go get them.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

They're easy to get.

SPEAKER_04 30:28

How do they fit your regular Air Force Ones for you?

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Same? More comfortable. It's a little more it's a little tighter just because of the fat tongue.

SPEAKER_04 30:38

So would you stick with your Air Force One size or would you? I do. I do.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

I just because if I size up, they're just too big.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

What size do you get in Air Force Ones? Do you stay true or do you go down? I stay true. Okay. I need to go to a local that's got a pair so I can try some more. I'm interested to delve in, especially that they're sitting around. Looking at this?

SPEAKER_05 31:03

Yeah, I see. I mean, they're nice. These are better than those.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Better. That's a that's a choice or worse. We can never you you just you could say anything and you'll disagree.

SPEAKER_05 31:16

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 31:18

See?

SPEAKER_05 31:22

I asked the question. I didn't disagree. H the contrarian. I'm not a contrarian. I just I just think those look better than those. We're entitled to your opinion. You soul got a little pop in them.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

Okay, Mr. Supreme uh Liquidation. What you got?

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Um pickups this week?

SPEAKER_05 31:49

The last I told you I bought the uh Nike jumpsuit, but that was I told you on the last episode since we shot that late. And then I got the uh off a goat. That was um what are they called? Uh Nike Zoom Field Jacks, the Travis Scott.

SPEAKER_04 32:07

You might as well leave them in your stories, bro. You ain't putting them on.

SPEAKER_05 32:12

Oh, they're gonna be here. They're gonna be in the mail.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

You might as well have left those and goat storage boy.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Yeah. I have the union field jacks, the union club. Oh, the field generals. Field generals, yeah. Ricky Lee.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Remember Ricky Lee?

SPEAKER_02 32:32

No. You still, Richie Lee. I thought we I thought we swam out of these.

SPEAKER_04 32:38

I thought Ricky. Why are we I thought Russia Lee um still made content?

SPEAKER_05 32:42

He does. I don't they do like um IRL and vlogging shit now. It looks like man.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

I'm not gonna lie, it got to the point where him and his cronies was on the couch talking about the same shit, and I was just like, yo, Asian dudes and and and sneakers is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

I remember the videos they used to they used to really go in like the Kobe's, they used to love some Kobe's, yeah, bro. They um they shout out his clothing, Brandon. People tend to love it. I do, I you know, I was always tempted to buy his shit, but it was never, you know, they didn't have anything that was like big or tall enough for me.

SPEAKER_04 33:15

They used to have a bigger dude on the show, uh, who left um Johnny. You could probably get into Johnny size clothing.

SPEAKER_05 33:22

No, I don't think they had.

SPEAKER_04 33:23

I mean, I don't think they made clothing sizes really, yeah. That's discriminatory. When we make merch, we're gonna have something for the big people.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

If we make merch. When we make merch coming soon. Tom Stefanic. Remember him? This was a cultural appropriator of course.

SPEAKER_04 33:42

This was like the Apollo, we could just take the the the the cane and just yink.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

This guy, you know, this guy. Come on, gong show.

SPEAKER_04 33:50

Oh shit, I actually do remember this dude.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

So he opened up a talent management agency and he manages manages Elliot Page and a bunch of other people.

SPEAKER_04 33:59

Okay, so he's technically still in the realm of sneakers.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

He just behind no, no, he doesn't do this. He got into like finance and I don't know what he's doing now. He's probably a scammer. So I bought some of his merch back in the day because I used to support the channel. I used to think he was a cool content creator, uh, especially during the pandemic, yo. He used to do these pandemic videos because he stayed in New York and he'd be driving, he'd be he had one of them skateboards, those motorized skateboards, and he'd be he used to go outside in lockdown and skateboard through you know midtown with no cars out and all this shit. It was crazy. Yeah, no, it's just cool. This is cool because it was like something to watch. And then um, yeah, four years ago was the last time he made a video, it looks like, on this channel. Oh, on he said he made an I'm back video and then didn't make another one. Okay, I see. But yeah, and I I I um ordered some merch from his website.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

I never got it.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

Um, yeah, just wanted to do a no, I did get it. It took them forever to send it to me, and then they double charged me for some bullshit, and I just I went, I raised hell, you know, like whatever. And I went back and forth with him or somebody at his warehouse or whatever, um, on email, and then I just did a chargeback on my on my Amex card and got everything back. The package shows up. Their double XL was a medium, like literally a medium medium, like small as fuck.

SPEAKER_04 35:18

What the clothing was whack, and they didn't have made that would have enticed you to even purchase.

SPEAKER_05 35:24

They did like mystery boxes, and they said that they would put like a that was your first sneaker or some shit like that in it. I was this is when I was just messing around with different content, like mystery boxes and shit. And um, yeah, they didn't they didn't send me the right shit. The one place there was one place I did a mystery box from that actually hooked me up. I got a whole bunch of revenge t-shirts that were designed by um remember that shit by uh Connor.

SPEAKER_04 35:50

Boy, he was lightning bold out with Lil Zeus over there.

SPEAKER_05 35:53

Yeah, who's who's the brother that died from the overdose off the private plane? What was his name? Juice World. Juice World, yeah. He did a club. Oh no, no, the other guy, the other guy uh who got shot and is buying the Lamborghini. Oh uh XXX Toss, yeah. He did something, something, whatever. He designed the shirts or whatever. So they're actually worth something. I just don't know what had where to put them. I had to put on a stockage or something. I got like four of them. It was in a mystery box, it was like four of them. At the time, they were like $50 t-shirts. Now they're like four or five hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_04 36:24

Go ahead and profit off the deceased.

SPEAKER_05 36:27

I didn't hey they're in a free mystery in a mystery box. So I'm gonna say that mystery box definitely wasn't free. No, I paid I think I paid 100 bucks for it. It's not the best mystery box I ever got that actually liked the stuff in it was um feature. Features I got a mystery box from them, got some dope stuff in it.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

Oh, okay. Featured a retail store.

SPEAKER_05 36:46

Okay, yeah, mystery box is such a scam. You think you guys have been doing the mystery box? You look like you're already done one.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

So I don't buy mystery boxes for sneakers, I do it for car detailing stuff, to be honest.

SPEAKER_05 37:02

That's wild. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

I just figured pay 50 bucks, you get a bunch of products they can't move, and I end up using them. Some I like, some I don't.

SPEAKER_04 37:13

So that seems more logistical than buying band shirts and crease biotech. So I don't know, Drew might be on top of something. Like how you just associate all that with all the bro, that could help you. You could bring back mystery boxes, get some attraction to the channel, and then like liquidate, call it the uh 12 hub mystery box extravaganza. If you wear a size 11 and a half to 12 and a half, you happen to this guy.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

Oh no, here we go. He's still making content. So this guy stole my whole aesthetic.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

You know this, right? You out there caping for uh stories and women's advocacy and sneakers. That's what he does most of the time. It's it's a lot of cases now. Look, he's got his following, he's got his homies, but one thing about this guy and a lot of people in this space, when you invite what someone's content someone else does, they questioning you like, why don't you like this dude? I'm like, bruh, if you like him, man, run it off. I've never disrespected him on his platform or on mine. He just is my cup of tea. And people are like, You guys have the same name, y'all should be friends. I'm like, What? No, he's still he don't know why he brushes here properly.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

Like, I don't see this.

SPEAKER_05 38:35

This is me. This I started this 2020. No, you didn't. Okay, no, you didn't. No, no, no, no. Putting no no no putting the shoe in the camera like that. Oh you're making me defend sneaker fetish. Oh my god. Okay, look, look, no, this is this is just three years ago. You want me? Okay, let me go to my let me go to 12 hub. I'll show you something. Even if you show it, you're not the first one to do it. I am the first one to do it. Nobody was doing that. Everybody was doing these sneaker reviews, and um, they were they were like not doing them the way I did them. Age, calm down, bro. Exactly. 12 hub podcast. Hold on, let me go here. This is this this used to be my fucking channel. Now it's yours.

SPEAKER_04 39:16

So there's no way you're gonna justify this.

SPEAKER_05 39:20

Look at this, look at this. Look, look, look, look at those. Look at these things. That's me. I was doing this five years ago. No, no, no. But the whole way I did the thing and with the with the with the um with the shoe in front of the camera and shit. Yeah, look at this shit. I stay, I sit there. Oh, I'm actually wearing that guy's that yo, that's that guy's shirt. That's the phonic guy's shirt. I'm actually wearing it. See how tight that shit is?

SPEAKER_04 39:43

So go do sneaker fetishes content and go to his own.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

Look what I'm doing, bro. Look what I'm doing. Everyone does this. Nobody does that review. Nobody does this. Nobody does this. Not like me. This is a troll, bro. Nobody's doing it like me, bro. Nobody did this like me. Uh look at that shit. Look at the detail, yo. Okay, you're trying to go viral right now, just by starting. I'm not going viral, and that's crazy that I picked the video where I'm wearing that Stephonic dude's shirt. That's all it's almost same stage. I don't know if that's staged. Oh shit, I forgot I had the shoe. I gotta find that. Might wear it fourth of July.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

Here we go.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

So you're gonna go to his so you're gonna go back to his page and show us an old video of his look at my calf muscles right there. You won't, you won't drew who whose page?

SPEAKER_04 40:25

You go back to sneaker fetters and go to his oldest video, and we can compare the data.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

I did I was doing YouTube way before he was.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

I don't know if that's true. Yeah, let's check the facts on that one.

SPEAKER_05 40:38

Oh, 10 years ago? Never mind. Oh, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Oh look at that. Look at that.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

What are you talking about? The argument is he's holding his shoe right there in the thumbnail.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

He's holding the shoe just like you were talking. He's doing the same shit that he's been doing for a decade, bro. What the fuck are you talking?

SPEAKER_05 40:57

It's cap, yo. He stole that shit. Crazy work. I don't even know if he knows you exist. He snatched I don't care if he knows about you. I'm just saying he's he stole that shit from me. I did it better. If anything, I did it better because my videos got more views, so whatever. Uh what fact check the view count. Hundred views. Took you nine years to get 3,500 views. Get the out of here, bro. Bro, you you gotta hear yourself sometime, bro. Hey, it I didn't what the who the fuck wears this shit? Come on, bro. Pocahontas I am. Yo, no, this is come on, man. Who is wearing these the tube straps?

SPEAKER_04 41:35

Those those common those those was going crazy when they dropped.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

Where in what country? America. Iraq in the war? Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_04 41:45

Right, you a pandemic era sneaker here, so we're not gonna have this debate, bro. But Drew, who's been in the game, I who worked in shoes at the time, bro. Those were selling, fam. You can look at a moment. Yeah, bullying.

SPEAKER_05 41:58

When did an Air Max 95 have come in high top shit?

SPEAKER_04 42:02

That's a Ricardo TC collab. So you don't know anything. I don't know anything. I don't want to know that you don't know, bro. Nobody out here wearing shoes with braille bumps on the side and uh brush ridges.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

I'd never heard you take up you take between taking up for staples and this guy.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

Yeah, but you just wrong, bro. You just be objectively wrong. Like objectively wrong if this dude like trash. What the fuck? What is this? What is this? The adapts are trash. Didn't you do a review on some shitty ass adaptable? No, no, just this this shit, this green with the fucking age. Let's not compare apples to apples, bro. You review some shit. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

We just bought field jacks, bro.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 42:43

Like, that's gonna age like new. On top of that, he's a content creator. He's not saying, Man, I love this shoe. He's getting product and talking about it. That's that's what I do.

SPEAKER_05 42:53

That's what I do.

SPEAKER_04 42:55

So, what are you talking about for money and you don't get a ROI?

SPEAKER_05 42:58

Wait, let me go back. I'm gonna go back. Look at this Air Force One Gore-Tax. That's a fire shoe. ISPA Air Max 720s, fire Grinch, Grinch Reebok pumps, fire. Come on. In comparison of what fearless Maison Chateau Rouge, come on, bro. And I'm wearing rubber gloves, dog.

SPEAKER_04 43:16

Look at that. Wait, next topic, because you are embarrassing yourself and us by being in conjunction with you, brother.

SPEAKER_05 43:24

Don't tell me. Oh, come on. Flint's 13s, Jordan 1 Low Paris. No. Fuck out of here, yo. The biggie phila collection. The what about that? What do you know about that? LeBron graffiti's space hippies? LeBron Graffities for like 130, bro. Space Hippies had the Space Hippies had the game on lock for a few weeks. Enough. Enough of this, brother. Ruckers Air Force Ones? Bro, you're just naming your clips at this point. You just naming Julie, bro. No, come on. You guavas. I had guavas. LA's that's that's union for guavas rubber dunks.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 44:04

Off white rubber dunks.

SPEAKER_04 44:05

I don't understand the point. So me and Drew have just just proved oh look CP. We were just talking about this. Yeah, me and Drew just proved that he did not bite your content and his body working yours. His body oh shut the fuck up. Now you're just now you're trolling. Bro, look at this shit. Yeah, you're trolling. Bro, look at this shit. It's regular daggler shit. Fuck racism.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

Regular Degala.

SPEAKER_04 44:25

Who got regular shit, bruh? Like, this is whatever you got, whatever shit plus another five years of shit on you, bro. Band mit man.

SPEAKER_05 44:36

This man walked.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:37

I sold these for $350 to somebody. What does that mean? That means at the time they were going for something. If you read night, you can get 300 pennies for those, bro. He walked fire red fours. Come on, bro. Can we move on, bro? What do you know about fire red fours? More than you. You just mad because you ain't got these shoes.

SPEAKER_04 44:54

I'm mad that you wasted money on look at them air rays, bro. You got candy corn air raids. Please pack yourself up, bro. These are ray guns, yo. Boy, Kate Morgami. Pack yourself up.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

Kiff Air Force Ones.

SPEAKER_04 45:07

What do you know? Man, a local resale shop is selling those for a hundred dollars right now amidst the Knicks' height.

SPEAKER_05 45:12

Boy, you don't have starfish 13s, bro.

SPEAKER_04 45:16

I'd rather have a pet starfish. Like, what is those forces?

SPEAKER_05 45:21

Yo, experimental force, uh experimentals. Remember those? All right.

SPEAKER_04 45:26

This segment is dragging again. It's not dragging. People, yes, it is, bro. This is not interesting. Move on, edit this out next.

SPEAKER_05 45:37

You guys keep talking about nothing. I'm gonna scroll through my YouTube. Oh wow, that's up, man. Waiting on you, Jeep. No, I'm trying to think like what goes on. There's nothing going on. I mean, let's keep talking about sneaker fetish.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

Start looking at itineraries. There's nothing going on.

SPEAKER_05 45:54

I actually looked up some shit. What's going on?

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Okay, for this, I don't know if you're gonna clip this or not. For the sake of this platform, this show in our future. Please, I've gotten feedback. Please stop saying they're going on. Please tell me what's going on. We will. Me and Drew will start sending you links what? Monday, Sunday evening, so we can get an idea. Will we keep it? Will we not? Because that's so people that right are so discouraging to hear y'all talk about shooting, but ain't shit going on. So why do they watch? Like, why do we show up? Like, there's shit going on.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

Yeah, so what do you think of the air maxes? The base, like the baseball air maxes that keep dropping, right? Like the Orioles, the Kansas City.

SPEAKER_05 46:34

I saw the Kansas City ones.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

So they're saying only teams that get new City Connect jerseys getting them, but I'm like, when I looked on MLB's website, the Nationals definitely had a new City Connect uh collection drop. So I was like, why ain't we getting one? I wasn't gonna buy the universal, so it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

I only like the Padres one, the rest are all right.

SPEAKER_04 46:56

No, the part I mean, all of them are decent, but like we discussed earlier, sneakers are too expensive, man. That's like a niche shoe. Like, if you're not from that area, if that's not one of your favorite teams, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 47:08

True.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

It reminds me when NFL dropped 32 pair of Pegasus and it was generic color and puts the team logo on the hill.

SPEAKER_02 47:16

I'm like, uh we back, and it's even worse because people that don't know sneakers start sending you that shit. Yo, you you gonna pick up the Eagles kicks? I'm like, no, absolutely not these.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

I'm like, clearance, just wait. Oh man, I need these Pegasus 42s. No, you don't go get the 41, bruh, for $30 at the outlet. Right, they there, man. It's like uh you gotta get you gotta get your bag though, man. Like Nike does it. Who else does it? Crocs does it. At least well, Crocs they got the little gibbets to like spice it up. I don't know, man. I hope Nike gets it together. I know that's the topic of conversation. What's Nike doing? In the grand scheme of things, they still the big dog, but boy, oh boy, I can see why they losing market share in certain areas.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

My wallet's happy, I can tell you that. It's just just with like the slowdown of releases or slowdown of better releases.

SPEAKER_04 48:22

Yeah, you you now you have the time to be selective. Like when you look at product catalogs from 10 years, 15 years ago, it wasn't a Jordan every week. You had like quarterly J's or like bi-monthly J's. Now it's like it's not even just a Jordan every week, it'll be something that'd be considered like a big holiday drop. Like, we getting Bread Fours as close to the OG as possible, the same window as Space Jam 11s. I'm like, yo, chill, and it lessens the impact of the shoe because it's like uh if I miss out on Brad Fours, what reimagines was two years ago, I'll just wait again or get them under retail.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

Yeah, I don't know. I I I I need those Brad Fours just because they're so close to the original. I didn't love the reimagine, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 49:15

I got it as a gift, so I kept it, but I mean also I like them. Me and my favorite Jordan, I I get them every time they come out, but that's one that if I had to let go. See, it's kind of hard though, because like on a rainy day or a snowy day, and you want bread for us, you can just trekking them and go outside, you know.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

Yeah, also it's the leather they use. Every time I put them on, I'm just like, dude, just something's off. Something's not right about that shoe. It's on my feet anyway.

SPEAKER_05 49:47

When I put it increase right away.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

I I wish they would have used the same.

SPEAKER_04 49:53

I wish they would have used the same leather from white cement, yeah. Like H isn't like if they use that white cement for fire red four leather, I might have liked it a little more, but that's a bread for at the end of the day. They got me.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

I just feel like it looks bulkier than the new bar.

SPEAKER_05 50:12

It is thicker, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

Yeah, because if you hold it next to what uh Jordan 4SB, yeah, it definitely looks like a chunkier, like got nymphedema or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

Allergic reaction for the shape just I don't know, shape just looks different. So maybe it's me.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

Nah, you probably not in the major uh minority, but a lot of people have like I was mentioning earlier, because you can just gong them out. Yo, this guy's sneakers taste is terrible. I'm not saying oh your man, the one who copied off of you five years before you started making content. Yes, yo, dude, this is do you watch his shit though?

SPEAKER_05 50:56

No, I subscribe.

SPEAKER_04 50:57

You would know that these are not personal pickups for him.

SPEAKER_05 51:00

Like, no, they are because he's how do you know you just admitted you don't watch his shit? No, no, no. I I I actually recently I was on his not recently a couple a couple months ago. I was on his um he tweeted something and I was just going through his Twitter and he had like a like a for sale, you know, like you put shit on their website. So I went to the website and he was selling some of his personal collection. It was all terrible shit. It was like some of the shit that's in this fucking these thumbnails.

SPEAKER_04 51:28

So you do realize that brands send him shit on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_05 51:32

I don't think so. I think he buys the stuff.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

No, it's for a fact, like that's not a speculation on my part. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_05 51:37

They send him trash then because this don't even make sense. Some of the stuff he's looking at here.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

Ace, I'm sorry, bro. I know opinions are subjective. You cannot call anybody shit trash.

SPEAKER_05 51:47

I got nice shoes in my collection.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

Oh man, some which you don't wear and that goat reject rather than humble yourself, bro.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

Yeah, it's a you know, personal taste is one thing, at least my personal taste.

SPEAKER_04 52:02

You spent money on LeBron 19s, like you paid cash.

SPEAKER_05 52:06

Yeah, I wanted um, I got the Dornbecker ones. I like them. I don't wear them, that's a collectible. It's like people collect fucking you know, Furbies and Laboo Boos and shit. It's like that. You put on the mantle, no collectible. I'll sell this in my game.

SPEAKER_04 52:21

What size mantle do you have to put LeBron 19s in a size 20?

SPEAKER_05 52:27

One of the shoes, yo, them shits is huge, man. The box is crazy big.

SPEAKER_04 52:32

Man, I can't believe I put a uh W in the column for sneaker foundation. You did times, but a dark time.

SPEAKER_05 52:40

Anything, anything to just to just to make me look bad. This is a healing. I don't know. I like staples. This one up here, he just he goes buys the whole staples store out just to fuck with me. Why are we back on this again?

SPEAKER_02 52:55

I even I even avoided putting on a staples fit just so we didn't have to you avoided it all the stuff that you have.

SPEAKER_05 53:02

You avoided it at this point.

SPEAKER_04 53:03

If he don't come on the show by years in, brother, no, I want to I'm gonna be upset.

SPEAKER_05 53:07

If he's coming on the show, I'll let you grace of not showing up and you guys can interview him. What are you talking about? You're the main entertainment. You're the reason he wants to be a good one. I would not no, I don't want to put him on blast. And why you put him on blast on every show? What are you talking about? It's it's a respect thing. I still respect the fact. Oh I respect the man for no sense. You make no sense. I respect the man for his contribution to the culture, but I don't respect the man in his current state. Shit. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

I want to rewind the tape. Like, let's go back every other episode. No, that has never come out of your mouth.

SPEAKER_05 53:45

I respect the man with for what he's done for the culture. Okay, I've said I've been clear about that. How what he's done, at least at least the at least that one shoe that again, it was bullshit the way that all that hole went down.

SPEAKER_04 53:58

But it's look, it's one thing you can't help yourself, but it was a moment, it's a moment.

SPEAKER_05 54:02

People there's a lot of people that create a moment that that that are meaningless in the in the world of sneakers today. Have a moment but are meaningless.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

You see what you can't help but contradict yourself. How is that a contradiction?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

He made 10 pairs. That's why it made 50 pairs.

SPEAKER_05 54:27

I think Wikipedia said 20 or something like that, right? I think Wikipedia said 20. This man.

SPEAKER_04 54:38

This man really said I respect his contribution to the culture, but will say, even though it was meaningless and it was a bunch of bullshit, he only made five pairs, and Nike's sister, his sister-in-law works for Nike, and he paid a bunch of New York influencers to fake their own deaths at the scene. Is that what happened?

SPEAKER_05 54:58

You would run with it, probably. Hey, look, bro, these this guy's he's out here. He's out here. He's a fraud, he's a fraud. He's a fraud, but I again his contribution with the one shoe with the little pigeon on the side to the culture.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

I'm tapped out, man. I'm tapped out with the staple conversation. I just I can't with you.

SPEAKER_04 55:18

It's almost like like people have messaged me, but like, is this like a bit? Like, is he trying to get staple? I said, brother, I can't I can't tell y'all at this point, bro. They was like, What's up with your man and Jeffrey Stapleton? I said, brother, I think I don't know, bro. I think he's really trying to get him as a guest for the 100th episode or something, man.

SPEAKER_05 55:38

I mean, he's more than welcome. Y'all can talk to him. Hey, my cup of tea.

SPEAKER_04 55:42

But if he we ain't having him on the show if you ain't joining, but if he offers to come on the show and you don't show up, bro, I recommend everybody unsubscribe, bro. Because you're gonna be the number one smoke ducker, bro.

SPEAKER_05 55:56

Why would I duck smoke from that guy? The only thing he can say about me is. But uh what I'm saying is that I'm not ducking smoke, I just want there to be a res him to be on a respectful platform where you know you could suck him off and do whatever the fuck y'all want to do, and I'll sit on the sideline while you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04 56:23

They body, bro. It's you, bro.

SPEAKER_05 56:25

No, okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:27

You who who brought him up this episode?

SPEAKER_02 56:29

I did. I'm gonna send you staple gear every week. I'm just gonna send it to you. Is that what you're doing?

SPEAKER_05 56:36

You you said I sent you my address. If you sent me something, folks. If you send me if you send me any of that, I will be on here.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

I told you you would like it. I told you you would like it.

SPEAKER_05 56:44

Because people, you want to troll me? You see, you see what I'll do. We won't be friends after this. You you send me a package of staple pigeon, you send me a box, a book, a box of the Brooks bullshit shoes. I will be here with a razor fucking Xacto knife cutting shit. I think you hate staple more than Trump. I don't hate Trump. What did Trump do to me directly yet? Oh my god. Once he does something to me directly, I really hate him. Right now, I just don't like his politics. Oh, I'm on I'm on okay. I'm scrolling way down on sneaker fetish's page. He's reviewed a lot of shoes that I reviewed on my page. That's because he copies you, man. He inspired you. I think he copies me. Yeah, you're right. He doesn't even know you exist, man. I promise. I think he can, I think we all kind of know um each other in the sense because all this stuff pops up on everybody's feed and the higher quality. Yeah, um, uh sneak just knew me. Fucking uh Greg knew me before I got on the show. He was like, Yeah, watch your shit.

SPEAKER_04 57:41

Brother, those are people on two different levels, though, brother. As far as this guy's on another level, I think Greg and them are big about quality over quantity. I highly disagree, bro. Who you think has better well, they're two different George, bro. But like they're a podcast. Where would you put on a podcast compared to theirs? He's an industry person, bro. Whether I like him or not, you like him or not. He's he and these brands inner circle. Oh, that doesn't mean anything, yeah. To the point that you try to make, you try to say about knowledge and being known and widespread appeal. Yeah, he got it over sneak this and us easily.

SPEAKER_05 58:18

Yeah, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 58:19

I think I think that's not even a debate, bro. Just look at the numbers, fam.

SPEAKER_05 58:23

Who's he doesn't get real numbers? Who's sending us shit, bro? It's not about getting shit.

SPEAKER_04 58:28

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_05 58:29

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_04 58:30

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_05 58:30

That's literally a big factor of it. Who's sending us shit?

SPEAKER_04 58:33

Whose platform are we on besides our own?

SPEAKER_05 58:35

It's not about it's not about the once you get platforming, means you can get talk about whatever you want, do whatever you want. Like, and that's not what that means at all. Because he kisses a lot of ass. He can't say what he wants. You can do what you know. When you reach that old that level of platforming where you don't have to kiss ass to get what you want, then you know you made it. But if you're gonna be one of these industry people, I've never been one of those, me personally. If you want to go that direction, right? The debate is totally reformat. We could totally reformat the platform.

SPEAKER_04 59:03

What is yeah, what is what is the debate you're trying to make? I'm saying he's bigger than us and sneak disc. That's not up for debate.

SPEAKER_05 59:09

And what sense of the word numbers don't mean anything? No, no, if you're you're I'm talking about cultural impact, impact on people.

SPEAKER_04 59:20

Who's not moving numbers? Yeah, who's getting more numbers in the streets? Answer that question.

SPEAKER_05 59:24

What streets?

SPEAKER_04 59:25

Who's getting more numbers on videos, bro?

SPEAKER_05 59:28

Stop. But but where does it matter the most? Yeah, it only matters to the audience that you cater to. He caters to an audience that doesn't really have like so, Drew. Anything else you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_04 59:39

We almost an hour in because I'm not having this conversation with you, bro. Like, you just being ignorant, bruh. Like, okay, I don't look. I don't there's no way you he saw your shit and was like, I need to copy off this less successful guy than me.

SPEAKER_05 59:52

I'm not saying that he's just saying that, bro. I was mistaken by saying I was the first to do whatever, sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

I know this much I did do it better. Whether you I mean, if you watch his content, which I do, I like his content. I know his delivery can annoy people, but his storytelling's good. I mean, he he's got good storytelling, he's got a good interesting take on on his point of view with some of that.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

You gotta admit that, bro. Like, you're trying to say, well, we resonate with more people, statistically, we don't. Like, you can just look at that. That's not up for the date. Especially for longer for longer form content. Before you go ahead, H elaborate on what you're about to say. Depends on what, brother.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:35

He doesn't make long-form content, he only makes shorts now.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:38

Hold on, go back, go back, go back to what you was about to say, though. Depends on and they don't even get numbers.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:42

We get better numbers on shorts than he does. Um, wait, what was the question? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:48

Because I was saying statistically, he's doing the numbers, and you said depends on, and I was like, depends on what impact, cultural impact. When I talk about cultural impact are we having versus him on sneaker culture or culture in general? Sneaker cult, he's a sneaker content creator, brother. What do you think, bro?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:04

Do you think we're sneaker content creators? No, I'm serious. I mean, the platform is based around conversations about sneakers. It's funny. Oh, your man Matt Matt Fretz, the guy, the filmmaker guy, yes. He hit me up today randomly. Like he saw something I wrote when he wrote me. I was like, Oh, she get you in the pod because I like his content. And uh, you know, I mean, you put me on, right? And I and he started following me and whatever. And I didn't watch his videos all the time. And he told me, like, he he's a filmmaker, and I was like, Oh, yeah, you know, I'm into that too. We had a little chat. I invited him on, he probably will he said he tried he's gonna try to make it on next week. I invited him on tonight, but he couldn't make it, so he got babysitter, his child. Anyway, he uh we had an interesting conversation about not it wasn't that long, but talking about like you know, like because he's like, Yeah, I'm not really like a sneaker guy, like you know, into it, but I I like to do the the film thing and and and it gives me a good excuse to do whatever. And I told him, Oh, my story, like I run a marketing agency and I decided I tried doing sneaker content because I was a hobbyist at first, but I got into it to just test the YouTube platform and I got into making content around it and it grew into a podcast because me personally don't like to talk about sneakers 24/7 because it got repetitive and boring and whatever, and I grew out of that. So guys like sneaker fetish, guys like Keist Omar, Seth Fowler, all of them they could reach a million, two million views, but they're always always trying to catch what the next trend is and trying to figure out how to stay relevant within the culture by doing what they do, and after a while content, well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It it becomes a utility, they become more of a uh a utility rather than a necessity in culture in general. They're more like a a place to get an you know information. Hey, what's this new shoe about? What's this? Whatever. That's all they provide. They don't provide when I say cultural relevance, I'm talking about impact. Like, hey, what you say moves needles. Like, remember back, but this is in our day, Jay-Z. Let's go back to the rap shit. Jay-Z started wearing button-ups with fitted hats. Everybody started when he ain't no fucking fashion guy, you know. Uh, Kanye before well, Kanye's a fashion guy, but you before he just started designing sneakers. What was he doing? Wearing Nike uh Air Jordan ones and shit, and got that shit popping. And you know, like I'm saying from a from the sense of like how we impact culture, like even with sneak this, how they impact the way I look at the sneaker culture and music and art and whatever in general. Yes, they go along with my vibes and whatnot, but they also kind of sway my opinion when it comes to things. They like George will say something like those curry dunks back in the day. I remember those conversations, and that's what got me into the dunk thing when he he was talking about regular dunks and all that. And I started looking at the purple ones and the curry ones and all that stuff and started buying them. That that's impact, right? Not just saying, Oh, this shoe is nice, here it is, and this is why. And then people just buy shit. They have a bunch of lemmings following them. They these other people kind of change your way of thinking and way you look at the culture or culture in general, whether it's music, fashion, whatever. That's what I'm talking about. Drew starts talking about his shit, his crazy dunks, and flipping up his hat like that. There'll be 20, 30 motherfuckers doing the same thing because they saw Drew do it. That's what I'm talking about. Not because sneaker fetish over here got a box of Nike and has to talk nice about the fucking shoe.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

That's what I'm talking about. No one's flipping their hat up like me. I disagree with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:34

But you'd you you'd be surprised how many people do that, dude. And you gotta see, like when I was when again, I know this first hand because when I was making content about certain shoes that you say are whack or whatever, people would DM me, people would leave comments under the video saying, Oh, hey, I was considering these, I didn't think they were that good, but thank you. I'm gonna go get them now. And I'm like, Oh, cool. Because they saw that the the my they like the way I put it together, they like this or that. You may not like it, but at the same time, it's just what it is. Like, you know, certain people become impact because of the way you you you present it or the way you give your I'm trying to connect the dots here.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:09

Like, I'm not connecting the dots describing it like niche appeal, like somebody that you fuck with showed you something that you didn't know and you like it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:19

Okay, as this platform grows, understanding then, let's put it this way. We just put like this recently, our most popular post was the about the um that Cyrus whatever kid passing away, right? And the guy not not getting convicted, right? That thing has over 300 comments right now. A bunch of people arguing back and forth on it, right? We get to this age. Uh had so to this, there's this one guy going crazy. I don't know who he's talking to. The guy with the fist icon. I don't know. Yeah, he's got like 90 comments the last two hours.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:48

Shout out to the dude because the tough guy, me. Yeah, uh, you better watch your mouth because I said something about his son. I said, Boy, you ain't gonna do shit. Your son. Ain't gonna do you gonna watch our show or you gonna uh block us, boys? That shit was hilarious. I had to like his comment because that shit legitimately made me like you better watch your mouth, bud.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:10

I'm like, but people there's a whole there's a whole section of those comments where people are reading it, engaging with it, understanding our points of view, and liking that and saying I fuck with these people because they they think like me, or I wish I had said that, or da da da. Not just saying, Oh, I like the medial side of this sneaker. Get the out of here. That's not culture, yo. That's just to be sneaker. That's sneaker. No, it's not culture. I'm talking about culture. I'm not talking about that. That people always get that shit confused.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:37

Bro, have you ever seen his Twitter spaces? He'll have hundreds of people on Twitter, yo, Nazis, bruh. Enough, bruh. You're trying to make this niche point that only you understand. You still never like directly answer my question. Like, who's having the bigger impact right now?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:55

Impact on what?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:56

Why keep asking that like speaker culture? In general, bro, look at the numbers of views and engagement between engagement.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:04

Don't mean shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:06

You just use views and engagement. The the 90 plus comments that we're getting on this one thing. You're I'm talking about when you're exchanging ideas and you know, like having real people on the webcam talking shit about sneakers and current events when they matter.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:24

Yeah, and that's that's a big deal. That's more impactful than just talking about a shoe or saying what's coming out this week or what you just no, you just use as you build a black.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:34

What does that have impact on you? It just impacted you because you saw a shoe that you didn't know about.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:39

Exactly. No, I saw something, something it doesn't have to be a sneaker, it could be a car, it could be a shoe.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:46

Okay, I'm using it because in the context of sneakers. Think about all the other points that Greg and them have made on the sneak this podcast. Most recently, when he took a stand about bad bunny Super Bowl performance, and you used a shoe as a reference, but we are I'm just saying as there was something that I'm talking about. In the fetish is a shoe content creator, you can't be all like I just never swayed my opinion on a political uh point.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:07

That's not his I was using that in the context of sneakers, like that's they are people that actually move culture in a direction because the curry dunk wasn't like a thing that or whatever, it wasn't a current that's why George didn't get it at the time because it was mad expensive on the aftermarket. Still no okay, it wasn't something that was like, Oh, it it's such a like how many curry dunk videos or people talking about it was yeah, dunks were the thing, whatever. But at the same time, I when I looked at it, I wasn't into dunks. You know what I was into back then. I was buying ispaste you're talking about you, I'm talking about how that impacted me as an individual. I wasn't I knew about all the Jordan 4s and Jordan 1s or whatever everybody's making videos about because I was making the same videos about hype shoes and all that stuff. Dunks were low-key hype because everybody just wanted a pair of dunks on their feet, so that's that garnered resale. But not every dunk was as impactful to that time and space. Now a curry dunk, what is how much is the curry dunk going for 90 bucks now? What is the point you're making? The point I'm making is is that regardless of hype or you know grand cosign or whatever, the conversations that that platform, sneak disc, had versus what this guy or Seth Fowler or Kais Omar with these big followings tells me does not put move the needle for me to say, like, oh hey, that is something I want to try or get into or be a part of culturally, whether it's about sneakers, fashion, politics, whatever. People who have that type of impact, like uh, you know, I'll I'll I'll use just Joe Rogan. That's a simple example. When Joe Rogan says use this supplement, or I agree with this thing politically, or I like to do this type of workout, or I only eat elk or whatever the fuck he's eating, right? People listen. That's when you are impacting culture when your platform can do that, whether it's 10,000 people, 1,000 people, whatever. We're growing a and I notice it every day. The more we engage, and I owe it to you a lot, and and you, Drew, as well. These sneaker people are coming to our platform getting different ideas from us, whether it be something you say or I say or whatever, and we are changing their mind about things or giving them different perspectives. It's not just the same old this shoe's hot, this shoe's not. That's what I'm saying. And it's not about it's not always about a sneaker, it's always about you know, whatever. You know, let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:40

Let me ask you this. Isn't that just natural personality? Aren't we always trying to influence the people around us? So this is just an extension of it's virtual people around us. I mean, as a person, you have charm, you have charisma, you have gravitas, right? Like that is great.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:59

Thank you. Of course, glad I'm attractive to you. Yeah, I didn't say attractive, no, but I was just I'm joking. I never said attractive, but I didn't, I never said attractive. I would never say, look, I I don't I don't cat, I don't want to, you know, be if people say that or do that, or you know, there's a reason why I my platform grew, there's a reason why your platforms are growing because you're in front of this audience, right? I I put you guys in front of the audience that I created and they fuck with you. And it's an extension of that is your audience fucking with me and and all that stuff. I I gotta say, okay, you guys. Oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:39

Yeah, just real like on my on my TikTok platform, I am always amazed at the people that reach out to me and say interesting things. And when I mean interesting, like, hey, I really appreciate your content because it it allowed me to get in front of the camera. I'm no longer afraid to get in front of the camera. I don't know if that I mean to me it's a compliment. So a lot of people look at things influ and they're influenced by different things. So I don't know if there's like a standard recipe, right? No, there's no standard recipe.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:10

You you said you said it before, it's about personality and the way you impact an audience. I think the chemistry that we have as a collective makes makes the audience pay attention, but also the fact that we differ in opinion, the fact that we kind of know what we're talking about. We and and and and and that I feel that we're superior to some of these other content creators because we're able to shed that outer layer to say, like, hey, fuck it. You gotta like we're not we're not doing this for you know uh this is just your competition.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

This is just the competitive nature. Why do we have to be superior? Why can't we just because we be why?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:51

No, it's not it's not it's not it's not necessarily being competitive. This is not the kind well, me personally. Now, mind you, I I encourage Car, get in front of a fucking camera, do the sneaker fetish thing and and and suck on that shoe. But I don't if you want to do that and you can build your own fucking platform or whatever, everybody can do that and leverage this thing to endorse it, whatever you want to do. It's just that the way the lane that that I always talk about going down, especially since I take this more seriously now, is this lane where it's like, hey, fuck it, you're gonna fuck with me, or you're not gonna fuck with me, and I'm gonna have this many people behind me, you know, and it's getting like look as you can see the engagement's good, tick tock, Reddit, everything's growing, and it's a really good thing that I like to see. It's just that, like the you can tell this podcast has evolved past just talking about sneakers, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:47

It always had though. I I feel like it all it it definitely swims and in all over the place.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:52

Well, I think since we moved back to the main channel, like because the other channel, you know, it's crazy. The other channel would have been probably grew faster if we kept putting all the sneaker content like that. Because those are those are really this the 12 hub sneaker podcast channel. People pe like those are all 100% like sneaker people, so uh moving it back here. Yes, it was my audience, but that audience kind of you know, you take off three years, they they go away. So, either way, like it's still there, and people are moving with the stuff. That's all I'm saying. And I know, like, Car, you're in the culture, you are like sneaker guy. I can't deny that. You know what I mean? I I I and I I appreciate how in-depth you are about how you you carry yourself within and respect a lot of the big and the small people in the platform. I honestly don't give a fuck about none of this shit, and I've made that clear, you know what I mean? I don't give a fuck about no. You just said you take it risky.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:52

I no no no, you take this shit really seriously.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:54

No, no, I take I take the creation of content and being able to entertain and being able to be meaningful on a platform.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

So you have to have respect for other creators just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not creating they're great. I think Seth Fowler would be an amazing person to hang out with. I'd love to drink a beer with him. I meant their content, dude. Not in them as a person. I'm saying, like, you if you don't like their content, it doesn't take away that they're they're not creative, it's just no, their content's fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:24

I don't care about it though. That's not like my what I like to watch. That's what I'm saying. This is not me, and that's not that that maybe five years ago when I was interested in the I don't feel the need to discredit somebody.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:35

Like I might not vibe with them as a personality, as a person in general, or I might not fuck with their content to the point where I want to watch it in my spare time. But I gotta recognize pillars of the industry, man. Like it is what it is. Like, I will not deny whether they homies like Front Page Aaron, Seth Eaton, my boy Pliny Hardaway, all these people making this dope content that I like, they still stay in the same vein as uh um Sneaker Fetish or as a Keis Omar. Like, I'm not subscribed to none of those af uh um aforementioned people. Yeah, but who do they talk about? It's like you kind of do that with Stapleton. You'll be like, he had a moment, but he sucks ass. And it's just like you could feel that, and I and that's totally valid, but like we don't gotta put the vinegar next to the sugar, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:30

Like, but you know, it goes back to like music shit. Remember, we could talk about Drake and Jay-Z all day, both of them are huge artists, but it's clear who does numbers and it's clear who represents artistry more, right? When you look at it, you know, at least hip-hop artistry. You'd say Jay-Z over Drake any day on that, but who does the numbers? Drake. You know, who arguably makes better music? Drake. But who represents the culture better? Jay-Z. You know, it's it's all there's always gonna be those debates.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:58

Well, I don't agree with who makes better music, but yeah, you think Drake? Uh never mind. That is the point that I was trying to make for the last few minutes, brother. You just admitted that you gotta acknowledge Drake's numbers. I said the same shit with Sneaker Fest.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:15

I'm saying, but he still makes good music, and numbers and numbers. There's guys who make shitty content. Like, I want to know.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:21

We're not talking about the quality of his content. Who's doing numbers was the question I asked you. Who's getting seeded product, who's doing collaborations with big time creators, and that's all I asked you. You're trying to bring in this man's content quality, and he's never influenced me to make a I didn't ask you that.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:40

That's great. But that's that's very sub that's that's that's uh you you do not like personally Kendrick Lamar.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:51

But you saw that picture with him holding up all the Grammys. Yeah, he's an industry darling, he's never said anything that uh motivated me like Drake. But you can't deny the cradle, you can't deny sneaker fans.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:04

And what he what do you have to do to get that? That's not the point. I'm not willing to compromise my enough, enough, bringing personal shit into it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:13

Okay, numbers, numbers. I could say a lot of shit about Drake, but you want to defend him up and down. But he has the numbers, and I can't ever argue with that. You could say he's an actor, turn a rapper, his lyrics aren't autobiographical, he's got ghostwriters, but you're gonna say, But who has the most successful streaming career in history? But the music also that's subjective. That's subjective, that's subjective. We're not here to I should make that dance to it all night. We're not here to talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:41

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, yeah. You're not saying anything about you, is what I'm saying. I'm okay. What what what what cult what global appeal does a sneaker fetish or a set fowl or whoever have over you know the fucking number? Yeah, I'm just I'm I'm just looking at it from the perspective of somebody we versus and sneaker sneak this podcast. I wouldn't put myself in the same vein as them. Yeah, that's because you know, look, when you're a fan of something, you don't look at it the same way as somebody who can look at things objectively. You're a fan of somebody might say the worst podcast ever.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

You're a fan of yourself and a fan of sneak this.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:20

You're saying how much they elevated you, bro. Like does do you do you listen to sneak this? I mean, I know I tried to get you.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:27

Do you lose I don't listen to sneaker podcasts, to be honest? I know that's crazy. I just it's just not something you're surrounded by. I like to save it up for for when I do talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:38

He's like he's like the rapper that don't listen to rap music and shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:40

That's why I I don't it's not that I never listen to it, it's just sometimes I like to take a break from sneakers. I mean, literally, I make I'm making so much sneaker content all the time. I I like to take a break. Yeah, but this is I mean, look, that's that's your choice.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:55

Uh is there something wrong? I guess that's wrong, right? Like I I look at sneaker content, the the the formation of it and putting it out there like like what I used to do as a gateway to other things, right? What that is, you mean for me personally, I don't know what it is just yet. I'm still trying to figure out what it looks like for me to make something different outside of this realm, right? Not to say that that that I want to abandon that that culture, but I also feel like you know, there's other shit in my brain that I want people to hear or see or whatever. And at the same time, like I don't I think from uh level of like creativity, there aren't a lot of sneaker content creators that do it well enough to be like, okay, this is amazing. You know, I like the Elliott page, a lot of guys overseas, man. Your guy sneaker nomics does a good job, but a lot of these cats that are just like, you know, I'd say the guys in the US have gotten pretty lazy and and and and and don't put the effort into making content that resonates well with the culture, and that's why, you know, it's sneaker reseller videos that are doing better than anything else right now because it's it's kind of interesting to see people haggle over prices and and buy chrome hearts for $20, $50,000. You know what I mean? It's it's it's it's it's slop for real, but it is something to watch, and it is better than whatever sneaker fetish is making or whoever these industry darlings you talk about are doing. In my opinion. What are you talking about now? I'm just talking about like what type of sneaker content hits now. Who gets more views? The the the the sneaker reseller guys, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:38

So, oh now you want to bring up views. You know, the question is No, we're talking about view.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:41

You you brought up views. You said he gets more views than anybody, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:44

So keep ducking it.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:46

I'm not ducking it.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:47

Now I'm telling you who now you get more bust up your argument that nobody cares about anymore.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:51

What cares about what? Who's doing more numbers?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:53

That's the only question I asked you. Uh sneak this or sneaker fetish? Obviously, sneaker fetish. That's the end of the conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:59

I think sneak this does more numbers. They get 50,000 downloads an episode. Just go to their YouTube channels and compare the two. It's not that's what you have to do. Just look at just look at it. Audio, our audio podcast gets more downloads than our bro. I just asked you to bring it up. Nobody wants to see a bunch of dudes sitting around talking about sneakers. They listen to that shit. You who wants to see bro, you want to see our fucking ugly asses trying to hear talking about sneakers. So, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:20

Scrolling, what are you doing? Scrolling through all your videos, then now you don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:25

Sneaker fetish, you're comparing him to people who make content outside of sneakers, which he doesn't do. So that's a that's a ghost goal poster to print it up, and he's not a sneaker podcaster. So, of course, they would have more podcast spins than him because he's not a sneaker podcaster, he's a YouTube content creator and online social media personality, and in those areas that we're talking about, he's doing numbers. Okay, that's it. That's my point. Now you're trying to talk about some guy influenced you about some curry dunks or how Elliot Page is getting you to try the late Cis Yeezy product. I don't care about none of that shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:04

You don't, but there's a ton of other people who actually do, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:07

And you don't care about you don't care about sneaker fetters and shit, but there's a ton of other people that do. It's and you're and you're speaking of your personal feelings because you just admitted several times in this topic. You don't watch his content, so you don't know what the fuck is going on. No, I don't exactly. So how do you speak with such authority? Like you know this man's metrics and shit like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:29

I mean, it's the numbers are right in front of me. I'm looking at it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:32

Oh, so but now you won't pull them up, they're right in front of you, but now you don't want to call it.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:35

I'll share it's still on the channel here. I'll show you.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:37

Yeah, that's what Juju said.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:38

I mean, if you want to talk about this is this is his most latest content. Thousand views, thousand views, thousand views. Oh, look, the band 5,000, great. Um 700. This isn't number. I mean, this is standard. Stop, stop, stop, stop. We got we got now that you now that you've shown that our channel has 3,000 subscribers. We do the same numbers. No, we don't, maybe better. No, we don't. Okay, I'll show you.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:03

And you I love how you like highlighted shorts.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:06

I mean, that's all he does now. He doesn't do long form things.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:09

He doesn't do the long form. Oh, okay. He does longer shorts, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:12

His shorts are get your information right before you fucking longer shorts. It's not that interesting if you ain't getting no fucking views. Then oh, we almost got a hundred views on this one. Not bad. Wow, that's 10. That's the long form content.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:25

That's 10 times less than go to shorts. Then just go straight to shorts.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:28

This on top of the downloads, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:30

Just go straight to shorts.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:31

I'm trying to find it. It's right there, it's that hard to find. These are outliers because I was using copyrighted content. They blocked I was using copy written content, so they wouldn't let me shit then just 100,000, 900, 100. There, really, we it's really weird how the algorithm works, but 1300. There's like one thing will get nothing, and then other things will get more. So, so consistency is an issue, not consistency, it depends on what they push through the air. We put out this guy puts out one clip a week. We put out six clips a week, so it's it depends. One's gonna hit, one's not gonna hit. That's the way it works. All right, but looks like it's gonna be 11,000, 7,000, 5,000, 5,000, 5,000. These are all like that shit is old as fuck. I mean, this is they don't they don't last that long in the algorithm, bro. All right, cool. This is my solo content. See, my solo content did pretty good. All right, oh, this shit. This hat got a hole in it. Look at that shit. That's culture. Are we done? No, I'm done. This guy just loves always in con anything. I say, anything I say, man. No, bro, it's gotta be a good it's not rambling, bro. You you'll understand one day. It's like it one day when you actually see the impact that you have outside of these other content creators, you'll understand that, and that's what real power I'm not down influenced, uh, but I'm just not gonna jump into a space and compare myself to somebody that's been making constant not comparing myself, that that is trash to me, and that's my personal feelings that that's trash. That's to you, that's staples trash. Yeah, but and I'm not gonna sit here and and and pretend that it's it's something that I'm interested in because they're they're a fucking peer colleague.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:13

You're talking personal interest, and he's not a peer or colleague.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:15

I don't own no Jeff Staple shit, and I'm saying these are peers and colleagues, these are people within the same space that we're in.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:22

Yeah, but you make it seem like we're justifying and acknowledging them as homies, bro. Like you keep you keep putting your personal feelings in this, bro. Just look at this.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:31

I don't even know that fucking sneaker fetish guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:33

I just say you just openly say you don't like him. His content is trash, bro. That's personal feeling.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:38

I've watched this content, it's trash.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:40

That's a personal feeling, is it not? Drew, is that a personal feeling? You tell me because I'm I'm speaking from yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:45

I mean, uh I wait, oh, wait, wait, it is I like his okay. I like his content. You like Drew likes anything anyway. You if I were to tell like I have a personal opinion on that, and I'm not I'm not afraid to voice, right? And this man could go into my shit, pick apart anything he wants, same same as Jeff Staple, same as anybody else who I've said something about or you said something about on this platform. Just because you you personally hold these content creators near and dear to your heart, whether you like them or not. I don't and you should like what if a younger guy, um I'm acknowledging apples for oranges, brother. You're a homeboy with the um that does the one-minute interviews. What's his name? Uh front page. Yeah, what if I said I don't like his content? That's your opinion. I don't I like his content, I think it's cool, I think it's innovative. What is the point you're making? No, I'm just saying that it's not if I had an opinion about his content, that doesn't mean that it's like end all be all or whatever. I'm just saying that there are other things outside of what we're doing in the sneaker space that can make this platform even better. That's the type of shit. What does that have to do? You're just saying are you okay?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:56

Yeah, but you're just saying words. I'm worried about you, like as you're Brain broken today because you're all over the place, man. I don't know. Like my brain's high broken, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:05

I can't wait to watch this on the playback because this shit is hell.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:08

Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. No, you're right. It's not that you don't know what you're talking about, it's it has to do with you're not putting together a cohesive thought that actually allows us to understand what you're talking about. You're all over the place right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:22

Like, all over I'm just trying to say that this platform is bigger than just sneaker shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:26

That's all I've been trying to do. And no one's arguing that. Yeah, no one Kari and I are not arguing that. I hope it's huge. I hope this platform grows okay. But my whatever the fuck we want.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:36

Okay, yeah, but it just it it again, you're telling me that I whenever I have these opinions about these content creators, whether it be a Jeff Staples or the sneaker fetish guy, I'm just like, yo, everything's subjective. I can give a fuck what he makes content about. I'll say whatever I want about it, and then you cape for him, and I'm like, that's fine, but it's still whack. And then you say you say you're throwing numbers at me, he doesn't even do good numbers compared to some like Kaiser. Look, look, I look actually, I like Kais Omer. He seems like a nice one. Aren't you doing what exactly you said that we're doing? Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. If you're talking about numbers, Kice does better numbers than Seeker Fest, but who do you makes better content?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:12

Bro, I don't like either one of them dudes. No one's that's not up for debate. And that was also going to my point of you acknowledging. I just acknowledge I don't like Kai. I also can acknowledge at one point he was the number one hit maker on this platform. Does that have anything to do with how I feel about him? No, I can look up in the sky and see the sun is out, it's hot. Brother, he was the man in certain circles, he still is. You can look at some of his comments on posts. He went to an event that I was at in DC. The GT Future Wallet release. Some of the people was like, Man, he was next to the GOAT. Highly disagree. Not the GOAT in anything in my eyes, but I'm not gonna be like, Man, his content is shit. And then, bro, it might be, but I can't deny the fact that he was where I was at. He was shaking hands with some people I was shaking hands with, some even higher. He left with the product, made content, got revenue for it. He got paid to do something I was doing to spend money. I can objectively admit that.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:20

But is it really like the the money comes when you make the good doesn't bro? There you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:25

There you go, there you go. Just making it about some other shit. You put some shit in my face, pause, you say, Well, who's making more money? Who's the and I told you who I didn't go around and saying, Well, when you look at the cultural impact, guys make sneaker content, but what I'm doing, I was in the city. My bro, don't nobody give a fuck.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:47

When did I say that?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:48

I didn't say that's called it's called an example, it's called a metaphor. Don't be stupid. I ain't gonna play stupid to put it in there, bruh. I didn't say that though. You said too much, is what me and Drew are saying, and it still doesn't mean anything. It means a lot of yourself at this point. You're talking in circles. It means a lot.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:05

No, it doesn't. What does it mean? H what does it mean? What does it mean to me? Is anybody listening out there? Don't be a sheep and jump off the cliff and no sneaker fetish.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:16

These guys in this guy, there's one person in this panel that likes sneaker fetishes content watching, and that's Drew. You're so dumbfounded with your own argument, you have to insult, bro. You fucking arguing, and he's the only one that like staying. I don't I'm not debating you on this, I'm just telling you what it is. I know the meetings be dragging. I know the people under you be like, oh my fucking people don't understand five o'clock.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:43

The biggest the biggest thing about understanding how to market stuff, and it's not always like doing the most to get the outcomes, it's about how you impact culture in different ways, whether it be this absolute call, cultural impact, right? Well, you have it's how you uh resonate with an audience, right? And and carry that audience through, you know, and there's people that will love or hate you, but if they keep coming back, you're making an impact, and that's where you know you want to be with this stuff. And again, I'm not look, I'm I'm advocating for a different way of presenting this culture to the people, and you know, whether it's through this or making more content or whatever, but I also see what's wrong with the culture, and it's guys like sneaker fetish, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:36

It's guys like a gas content who you don't watch. Now, let me ask you, what's wrong with what he's doing? Yeah, he is how is he bad for the culture? No, he's an outright sneaker content creator, right? His bread and butter is sneakers. He he resonates he put I doubt that I doubt he lives off the can you please I'm 9,000 sure he has a nine to five. Can you please shut up? Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:58

I I'm just saying that's that dude is not he's not making that much money off of fucking Twitter or whatever the fuck said he's making a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:04

Please stop talking. Keep saying he's making money. You just said he lives off the shit. I said, when Drew, when did I ever say that? He just didn't know. When did I ever say that?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:14

All right, he didn't say that.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:16

Thank you. So anyway, okay. Look at the case.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:19

Now I know your old show.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:21

So anyway, you're he's getting product, he's making content that's doing uh the same numbers as us. What is he doing wrong with the culture?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:31

What's he doing wrong with the culture?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:32

Because what is he trying to do, bro? His name is sneaker factory, he's a sneaker content creator. What is he necessarily in your eyes? Because I got my own opinion on him, Drew got his own. What is he doing wrong, bro? And please tell me how you know that because you don't watch his shit. I don't. So what is he doing wrong?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:51

I the answer to the question, Hugh. Please what is he doing? Do anything to me that impacts the way I look at the culture or how from a creative standpoint. There's nothing so the creative standpoint, and you just admitted earlier that he copied off you. So, like, you're doing something wrong with you. Assumption that he copied. Look, I I honestly thought dog, I didn't know none of these people before I started making content. I didn't know of it. I knew I subscribed to his channel like after I started making because I was using different content creators to get information, and he actually did do some informative videos uh back then and probably still doesn't. So he influenced you. Wow, informed me, not influence. Yeah, I used to watch Seth Fowler. I I think I watched him a lot, and other people. If they if I did a shoe video on something, I looked up things and I found these people and I got the note. I took notes off of their videos. Now I use AI if I'm gonna do a sneaker video. Yeah, so you were influenced, cool, cool, cool. That's not influence, that's information, information. You don't get information that influenced you to take notes. It didn't influence me to fucking buy the shoe or the colorway, it influenced me in different ways. Like to get influence, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:00

There's different there's multiple ways to be influenced, but it's information, bro. It's information to subscribe, watch, take notes, and then implement it to your own content.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:08

Again, what I try to do on this platform, whether it buries me or not, is or my platform, whatever, individually or whatever, is have some kind of cultural impact where I can talk and say things that I want to say, be more free-spirited, free-minded, not worry about brands doing whatever because the brands will come. It it all depends on how you present yourself. That's the best way to present yourself outside of if you're like an art or like if you're truly about the you know, it's sounding cliche now. I keep saying culture. If you're really, really about the culture, you would do it in a way that makes it, you know, like fun. You know what I mean? That's why I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:50

This is disappointing to hear because this man is doing this as some sort of means to make money. Who means of course, no, sneaker feathers, and all these other people. Of course, they're not gonna try to bite the hand that feeds them. They wanna they want money and to continue doing what they're doing, not for free. So, yeah, they're not gonna bite the hands that feeds them. Like, do you think the people who read for Raycon or better help use that shit? No, brother, it's a it's a it's a job, fam. And then, like, depends on what you compromise on. If somebody comes to you, or if somebody comes to you, didn't answer the question of what he does, that's like so wrong for the culture, either.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:28

If Nike came to us today and said, Yo, we got this this shoe, it's terrible, that whatever it is, air bullshit. We want you guys to be like the first ones with it. Would you take it? Yeah, and would you give would and then they said, No, no, no, and they said you have to do this type of review, say it's good. Would you do it?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:47

So I depend, yeah. That's gonna depend on the bag we look in like if they're just giving us free shoes and want us to lie, hell no. But if I'm a Nike sponsored content creator, brother, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:58

And I've been approached, I've been approached by like some small brands to represent them and like with the contract of conditions. I I just don't want to associate my brand with I don't want to do that kind of content, it's just not if I get all the if it came down to it. Yeah, I've had if I needed to, I'd do it, but I ain't pimping myself out for or whoring myself out for like shit that I would never use or endorse if I wasn't being asked to.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:25

I think at the height of my I think Hoka reached out to me once to do something because I was doing hiking shoe. I did a hiking shoe thing in Nike one, and they reached out to me. But I did that's when I got interested in Hokus. They were gonna send me some free shit, but I never I was like, nah, I don't wanna. Maybe I just forgot to follow up.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:41

I don't know, but I never talk about money that's gonna generationally change my life or get me to retire from my full-time job. See, that's different. Yeah, that's different. You said Nike now if Nike backing up the truck, but they're not gonna they there's the times where LeBron James has taken shoes off May Game and said these suck, but he's still gonna push that. We all have a price. Well, but that's in the day, everyone's got a price.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:03

That's in your bigger than like if somebody says to me, like, okay, like Lizzo just did that baby back ribs thing for chilies, right? She said they she said in the commercial, how much you're gonna pay me? Fuck yeah, I'll eat all the baby back ribs, right? You know, baby back ribs are good, I'll eat some too for money. But if it's something like a sneaker and I have to co-sign that shit and it's gonna look corny and cheesy, and I have a bigger platform than the sneaker itself. No, I'm not gonna do it. So, yeah, you just but I wouldn't do it if if if it's Nike. Okay, number one, the scenario that you're talking about, like I it's a it's it's a it's a it's a hypothetical that probably will never happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:39

The scenario that you're talking about, you brought it up, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:41

The the scenario, but if they like yours, you're you're again it just shows what people are willing to do, they'll compromise things, certain things. So you're insinuating that sneaker fetish is compromising his content, compromised if he's if there's something that you have with him because you still never answer that question. If we finally got the problem, the problem you have with him. I don't I just think the guy's content's whack. I've been saying that. Yeah, that's all. I don't think I don't know the man personally.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:08

Oh man, he's what's wrong with the culture, kind of in what way?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:13

Because you think he's whack, or like because people like this have influence. There's a lot of cheese balls that that have these platforms. You just say he didn't have any, though. Have what influence.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:25

What do you mean you said that earlier, bro? That was one of your big standing points. He's not really influential to the culture. Now you say people like this have influence. So what is it? Do he have it or not?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:33

Well, no, he doesn't really influence the culture the way that I would want to influence the culture. That's what I was saying. All personal shit. No, it's just the way you want, it's the way you look at my influence.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:46

Like, who gives a shit about you if they're not you?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:49

You should give a shit about me. Drew should give a shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:51

I mean, as a personal friend, yeah, but like I'm talking about business and numbered.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:56

It all comes with how you present yourself on the platform, the way you do the things that you do to get to that next level of content creation. That's what it all bubbles down to consistency, quality.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:09

I don't know, brother. Follow through. You got a lot of opinion for somebody's shit that you don't ever watch.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:14

I I don't like it, it's not good. Why would I watch it? That's hating, man. If I if I raid, if I like rage watch or whatever, like, oh, I hate this man so much. I'm watching it. I don't pay attention to this dude like that. I was just scrolling through all my YouTube channels to see what I forgot about.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:29

I just feel like you don't have my thing is Drew got a reason for liking him, I got a reason for not. But we can both acknowledge what he does. What are you eating, by the way? I feel like um dinner because this is going on real long. I just feel like you dislike him, and like just like with Staple and Kendrick, anybody that you don't like, fuck anything they've ever done.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:52

I never said that. I just told you staple. I mean, you don't have to say it, but you you give off that. Staples made a nice shoe, and I respect that. What the fuck are we talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:58

Like, but then you put it out there that you might call it a bogus shoe.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:02

No, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:03

But then you called his clothing trash, and you don't own one piece of why would I buy trash here?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:08

That's stupid. Why would I buy trash? You cape for the man saying his shoes sell out, everybody buys his shit. I cape for him, I don't cape for nobody. One thing with some respect about that, I ain't caping for shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:19

I openly don't own any stable product, and I don't like sneaker fetch, so stop saying I'm caping. I'm arguing with somebody who's talking in the circle, bruh. Stop using that as an excuse to back up your you're forcing me to because you're over here caping for these guys. I'm not caping, you just suck at debating. You don't make stand on what point do you make?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:39

I already struck down you. You said no, we get the views. I showed you his fucking views, and and he has the same views we got. So how the fuck am I how am I fucking don't, bro?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:49

No, he does not.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:50

I just showed it to you.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:51

This nigga's view is fucking you you cherry-picked a couple good clips of ours.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:56

I was scrolling down our latest clips, everything's over a thousand something views, and we only have four, we have less than four thousand four thousand. I no, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:06

I scrolled down, and it took you forever to even do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:10

What are you talking about? That's no me and Drew asked you to pull that shit up like uh 40 minutes ago. Okay, it's funny, he's discrediting our platform. No, I'm telling the truth, bro. A thousand views. Look, I put out the clips this week. This is our clip to the last week, right? One, two, three. Well, that's from the week before. Three out of the six got decent views. We're we're not even talking Instagram and TikTok, where they all do well as as well. Yeah, I'm not talking about Instagram and TikTok either. I'm talking about two things we can compare. The two YouTube okay, the two YouTube. You go to his YouTube, like I said, I don't even know where the fuck that shit is. But his he doesn't do like a lot of freaking um stuff. He's mainly on Twitter, right? So he retweets things, writes 200 characters, and and and then and then dips out. Like, I don't think that that's like so.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:11

How do you define success? Like, is it just views? Like you were talking about cultural impact.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:20

Cultural impact, yes, is how you impact conversations.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:25

How do you measure that?

SPEAKER_05 1:43:27

Perfect example with us, particularly, was when the LeBron thing happened, right? That was that went viral in the sneaker community, at least, right? You could agree with that, yeah. Yes, yeah, it went viral. That was a big call. Drew the sneaker god got on in a bunch of people, the smaller content creators. Whatever his name is. I don't know. I love that guy, he's great. I love him. Whatever, whatever his name is. I don't know. He don't know me, I don't care. But at the end of the day, they used us, you know. He he he jumped on the bandwagon, got into the conversation. Those are things that that that me are meaningful. We had a couple of things like that, right? The mind slide conversation, you know, about the resale on that, and how it's taken over all this the resale. Those things are things that people are interested in, and we made you know content that pushed the envelope on understanding and and and conversation around those things, and it opened up people's minds to be like, Oh, yeah, this is this is something I yeah, but he doesn't make that kind of content. You asked me.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:30

He doesn't make that kind of content.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:32

I'm not trying to downplay what we do, bruh, but like you are moving mountains over here to justify whatever point you're trying to make. Like, I'm not sure you just say it, bro. That's what you're doing kind of content, brother. This man is named sneaker fetish, he makes sneaker content for what he does. He's got a spot in the industry, and he's doing all right. Like, I don't know why that's such a hard concept for you to understand and grasp. Then you're gonna talk about well, what we do in the grand scheme of things. We're talking, bro. Who cares, bruh? We're talking about a sneaker person rather than the sneaker person. He said in the realms of sneakers, well, all the people that you mentioned. Hey man, I'm glad. Man, I love Greg and George, bro. They talk about numbers. What they talking about in the show, that's just sex breaks my heart, bro. But like, you can admit, like, who's doing what? Greg is never gonna say, Man, we big in the sneaker fetish. He'll definitely say he's better, he's not a porn ball like him.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:26

But like, Greg's not stupid, he works in three three 300 views. This is sneaker fetish, this is your hero right here. 100 views, bro. What's our Twitter look like? 1600. We don't do Twitter like that. Exactly. I'm a post on Twitter anymore. Because you told me his platforms are bigger than ours, his engagement isn't as good as ours. Twitter is a dead platform, bro. Now, now's the dead bro. That's not the argument. Look at the views, one comment, and it's probably him saying, Comment on my shit. 4,000. How many comments do you guys have? Zero. 1,002. We don't have any of this. This is today.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:02

He's posted all this shit today. He's got nothing going on here. This is 1,600 views in a day, bro. That's more than our entire Twitter platform would have, period. So I don't understand what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:14

We don't do Twitter though. I don't post anything on Twitter.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:17

Bringing Twitter up.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:18

This is his biggest platform. You compare. You just told me that he got views and endorsements and all this shit. You compare who's paying. Pumping's paying for it. You compared us to his reach. Do we have this? You make it a Twitter said this. This is his biggest one this past week today. Well, been nice knowing you. Whatnot. This is about the stockx thing. You know why this is everybody's talking about this. He piggybacked off a stock X this tweet.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:45

So why are we talking about it?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:46

Yeah, bro. We are we don't piggyback all topics, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:50

We don't ever piggyback. I'm just saying, but that's not that's not uh this is nothing. He's not even nothing, right? H you can't say we doing just as good as him. Then we're gonna be able to do it. But you're telling me we're not owning telling me that his his bro, what is bro? What is this in comparison to you making you're talking about old metrics followers, you followers in the sneak disc. Pull up the sneak this Twitter and see how it's doing in comparison because those are the people that you oh sneaky. Oh, sneak this is killing it. Like sneak this gets a little bit more. Prove me wrong. Prove me wrong, Greg. Have both of these bro great Greg. First off, Greg is a level-headed person with a successful marriage and kids. He's he'll understand where I'm coming from if he even watches this shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:34

Oh, they don't. I don't think you. I mean, if he I know he pays attention to um our shorts and stuff. I know they they go on and like our shit. Uh, but yeah, he goes out here and does his thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:45

This is uh reading the numbers off like he did with the other guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:48

I'm looking at the 260 600, 652, two comments, 613. No comments.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:56

He's not these aren't there, he's not talking about a lot of he's not talking about a lot of sneakers on here either. He's just now we're bringing back the subject. But look, look at the engagement versus sneaker fetish. There's no engagement on his shit. This is a seven seven look. It's it's small because it's a small platform. Look at look at how many followers they got. 2,000 followers versus 50,000 followers, and their engagement is better. That's what matters. That you are impacting a community of people. If you cannot get it 50,000 people to engage with your content in a meaningful way, thank you for reading out the actual numbers.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:36

Thank you. See, this is this is the problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:39

I generally understand what I understand what you're saying. The following is less the engage, so per person, there's more engagement. So literally, for the for their stuff, they're getting more engagement with less viewers. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:55

Well, you can acknowledge that, yeah, but now what?

SPEAKER_02 1:49:02

So again, how are you measuring success? How are you measuring cultural impact? What is your metric?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:08

It depends. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:10

You can't depend. This is no, no, it can't be a sh it can't be a moving target.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:13

Let me tell you. I'll tell you, no, it's not talking about moving targets. Okay, let me put it to you this way. There's niches and different different things, right? If you're talking about, let's just say your your whole um channel is about um self-care, micro needle needling, right? You make 20,000 videos a day. You know, not 12. You make you make a couple videos a week on micro needling to for self-care and and and rejuvenate rejuvenative health away.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:38

All right, we get it.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:39

Right now, you have maybe 10,000 subscribers on your your YouTube page, but you're every time they're in the comments, like, oh, what how much did you pay for this? Where did you go for that? What brand do you use for this? What's your cleanser look like? Blah blah blah blah. And there's tons of comments, and it's only 10,000 subscribers, right? And then you look at their bag, and this is this is Happening, my wife's podcast, they got an endorsement from a med spa, six racks, six thousand dollars, and they only have 200 subscribers on YouTube. Well, no, 350 now, and they just started in August because of what they talk about, how their cultural, how they articulate themselves to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:19

How are we arguing with you though?

SPEAKER_05 1:50:20

Well, no, I'm just saying there's guys out here that'll he'll jump on the dick of some fetish or some fucking you have no clue that you have no.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:29

The only reason that's why even that's when you know H don't know how to debate because he starts saying insults and shit, because he don't have nothing articulate to saying about it talking about something dumping on somebody's dick. Well, watch yourself. The only reason sneaky is because you get frustrated that you don't know how to argue. Watch that shit, bruh. Like on some real shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:46

Watch this guy, he does he does the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:48

Nah, I never only respond in time. So calm that down, fam.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:53

Okay, on some real either way, that guy just hops on whatever news comes out, retweets it, and leaves a little, you know, couple of words. What do you guys think about this? Like, what the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:51:04

That is a huge part of the sneaker content creation culture. That's tons of that shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:12

Would you expect him to go into the lab like he uh take her hat field and make her shoot from like what do you want from the data?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:17

I expect people to have opinions or to have ideas to have things. That's what moves the needle. Watch his content.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:24

How can you formulate this appearance? He can't. I can scroll through the Twitter as someone who's storytelling.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:31

Yes, as someone who's storytelling content. Does he ever have a negative opinion on product? Fucking no. I'm asking Drew, not Drew.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:41

I don't come across a lot of it. If I have, I don't remember, but no. I mean, his stuff, he doesn't really. I feel like he's just tell he's just a storyteller about and he weaves the sneaker into the story. So he just doesn't give a straight up review all the time. He gives a little bit of history. So I don't know. Some people fuck with that, some people don't. It's just a lot of people don't fuck with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:07

According for according to the case. Because the numbers don't lie. When when okay, the number one sneaker creator right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:14

You just had people fuck with us and grid, and we get similar interactions, so nobody fuck with him with that same logic.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:24

I don't know how that works. The biggest guy who does sneaker content right now that does decent numbers on all of his content when it comes to just you know technical storytelling, whatever, is probably Seth Fowler. I'll give him that much because and I do like I actually watch Seth Fowler a lot when his stuff comes up because I think it's interesting. You know, he did the little thrifting videos and all that stuff. Very informed guy, has a very unique way of presenting himself, and he's entertaining, crosses, you know, a whole bunch of different things. But at the end of the day, this dude does multiple streams of not just he does more than that, he does a tech channel, he does collectibles, he does all types of shit. His bread and butter sneakers gets 1.2 million followers, 1.3 almost, and he gets on a good day about a hundred thousand views on a video, and on a bad day, 20-30,000 video views.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:14

As a content creator, how do you not respect other content creators? You know the level of effort it takes, you know what it takes to edit, publish, write the copy. This is not easy shit to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:29

Okay, and like most plat, most things that people do, you have to take out the trash. And when I talk about how this is garbage, because they're not doing that that error of oh, I'm getting views and piggybacking shit, like the guys who do a podcast but don't really have a podcast, right? The guys who just do the clip, like, oh, let's do the hot take, the LeBron and Jordan argument, right? Or the or the whatever whatever's hot in the media right now. Let's just do a one minute, 30 second video. You're like, Oh, that shit was funny as fuck. You got a million views. Where's the full episode? You can't find it because they just did a skit. That's a skit, that's not real content. Now, mind you, care because the reason why the reason why just say you just don't like C, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:08

That's all you gotta say, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:09

I don't know who he is. That's not like I don't like what he does.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:12

I'm not saying as him as what I don't like what he does, I don't like what certain people do, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:16

In this what I was trying to say, and then you start caping for the nigga.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:21

I don't even understand like saying we caping for him, brother. Stop saying that because that shit is tired, bro. Okay, you suck at making a point just like you did here, like it sucks. No, I think I'm making a valid point. No, you're not, brother, because me and Drew are two very intelligent people. We just confused at what you're saying, bruh.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:40

You just don't see the things this stuff the way I do.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:42

No, we don't care if you have been present it well, bro. Like, you just don't like the you said something in the beginning, though. You were like, Well, if you if you fuck with them, you'll have a bias because of your background and what you do for a living. Don't you think you have a bias on the way you look at content?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:58

Opinion isn't a bias. I don't think it's it's uh uh having an opinion. No, I I don't have looking at the bias. Look, okay, hit okay. Let me put it to this one he could do a video on a shoe that I like and like it the same way. Doesn't mean I'm gonna like the way he presented the content, right? He could say something and he could he could totally miss the mark on how I would represent that.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:21

I totally missed the mark on your point.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:23

Yeah, what the fuck did you just say about it? I'm saying that if he presented me with something like uh, like I like those pink Travis Scots that just came out, right? And he did a sneaker video, a sneaker fetish about it, and did a piece of content. And I said, Okay, I didn't really like that. I'll go to the next person to see if they got a better view on the shoe.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:43

Or talk better. About the content, not the shoe. That's what I'm saying. I don't like you biased the way you look at content because what you do for a living that's not a bias, that's the that's in the that's a uh certain objectivity that gives uh perspective on the content of on how it's presented. It's not a whole you gotta listen, you gotta go back and listen. Yo, you gotta listen.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:06

Everything that I do on my other channel, too. If you want to talk content, when I do certain videos, I'm testing things. I already know that it won't do it. Like I did. Remember, I did a Stitch Vicks video, I knew that wouldn't do well. I just wanted to test out content, but I also but but when I did a meaningful video, like when I did the Shattered Backboard on my new channel, that was the best video. I think I got like 20,000 views, right? Long form content. That was a 20-minute video. I was saying, spitting some real shit. It clipped up well. People, the comments are crazy. People were like, yo, I agree with you. You know, this shoe is fire and blah blah blah blah blah. That was an objective opinion based off of my feelings on the shoe and how I felt about getting it as a person in the culture. Most creators came in here like the leather wasn't good enough, the blah blah blah wasn't this or that, it's not anything compared to 2015. Fuck the 2015, it's 2026 or 25. We're talking now, and the people that wanted the shoe when they couldn't get it, and how they feel about it the same way I feel about I'm not gonna sit here and shit on it because I got the more valuable one or I got got it when it was hotter. Says the reseller. But that that's isn't that kind of the isn't that kind of like the irony of it too? Like how you like I'm judged as like at least you guys in my inner circle judgment.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:23

But the irony of it is the sneaker community grades a fucking release that was re-released, those shattered backboards were fucking fire ass shoe, great materials, fucking classic, and nobody nobody stepped out for them. Everyone's like, Yeah, pass. Could have been the best fucking leather in the world, but they don't want that shoe. So you you took the opposite take, talked it up, and you got engagement. That's awesome. I was sincere about what I said, and it made an impact on the other side. No, how do you know if someone's sincere or not? Like, I don't understand. You you're the judge and jury, you know, if someone's being sincere. I think you could tell by the way they talk about things, based on what your opinion is.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:11

Like, who's questioning your sincerity about it? You know, Drew just said, like you said about all these other people, you hopped on the trending topic, the release of a shoe. No, it wasn't I got it, I got it early. I I bought the shoe early. It's it was we knew about the shoe a year ago. It was trending on people's minds ever since a retro was announced. How good is the quality gonna be? How many are they gonna make? Is it gonna sell out? Right, it was trending whether it was something you naturally felt like you jumped on or something that you heard about in retrospect, but it was still a trending topic.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:42

Yeah, but this but the video the video that I made and there's other videos on my channel where I get in depth or show sincere, like you know, given sincere sincerity.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:52

No one's questioning. Well, I'm just saying there's something we're talking about the timing and the engagement aspect, right? You're not doing retro, yeah, you're not doing retro reviews, you didn't pick up a random shoe.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:01

You played release. Plenty of people made videos about that shoe, right? And so a lot of people again looking from the size of the audience that I had. I at that time on that channel when I made that video, I had 50 subscribers. I'm over almost four, I'm up to 400 something now off of that video mainly because it gained most of the subscribers from there. But those people are re-engaging when I make another sneaker video. When I did the mind video, the mind slide, not yeah, the slide of the other one, like a trimming shoe as well. No, but I like that you're building a following.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:38

That's no, but that's what you're doing. You have to okay, you're building a following of people that with your content that want to engage because they enjoy watching it.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:47

Exactly, but also at the same time, the things that I say or the things that we say have more movement within the culture than what a guy like sneaker fetish would say.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:02

The broader what what are you basing on?

SPEAKER_05 2:00:04

I will keep asking you, how are you measuring this? Measuring this, yeah, bro. What are you basing it off? Everybody who has okay, so you know, you know this for a fact. I'm just gonna say this. We know this for a fact. For every podcast, there's a there's a podcast, a content creator made every day, right? The ones that last, right? God, you know, like bless your soul, Drew. But like for the amount of effort and time you put in in to get the views that you get, you should have given up years ago. Meaning, meaning, from the average content creator would have given up, but the person who doesn't, and I look, I luckily, you know, I caught I caught some luck and they got a bigger platform because of the stuff I was posting for the most part. I fell off, obviously. But also at the same time, I understand what that like how to feed my audience that I understand. You know how to feed you both know how to feed the audience that we have, right? Like the audience that passes by some of this stuff online doesn't necessarily and I put sneaker fetish in this category, isn't loyal. They go there to see they gain this following, right? 50,000 followers. You'd think that he could keep half of those people engaged, at least on Twitter, but it doesn't. On YouTube, he has 25,000. He doesn't keep him engaged, gets the same numbers we do, even worse on short and long form. So I'm I look at it like okay, you get like somebody might have said, Oh, this is cool, subscribe, but they ain't coming back. That's what I'm saying. People come back to our shit. If they don't, we'll gain somebody else that'll come back later, and then you know, we we grab people with the right stuff. We talk about different things, and it doesn't have to necessarily be one thing, but it might be one thing one day. Imagine if all this shit ironically, if we talk about like like social issues and it becomes a thing, that might be the main focus one day rather than just sneakers. Who knows? But you we haven't evolved to that yet. We're not grown up, we still talk about bullshit, so it's like you have to look at it like from where the where what lane and what brings in the audience that appeals to you and your personality the most, and how you engage with that audience. If you're gonna just stick with sneakers and you're not very good at it, and you got lucky or something like that, like this guy did, it's not like a good lane. Steph Fowler, on the other hand, amazing content creator. Well, you're talking about us defending self-uh sneaker face.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:23

You've been riding Steph Fowler meet since uh I think he's he's good, he's been doing it for a long time, and he knows who's things we about to do, but he obviously has a platform with sneakers. You're saying he's not good at it because you don't like his content. Number two, Drew, the million-dollar question that he keeps asking, and we still haven't gotten an answer to. What are you basing these metrics off of?

SPEAKER_05 2:02:45

Like no, again, your numbers thing and engagement, how people change engage with it.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:50

You like you, what is what is I'm still not understanding because you keep bringing up like Sapphire, who's like a giant in this, but like that's the same way I just compare sneak this who you brought up, mind you, to him. Like it's levels, bruh.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:06

Like, yeah, there's levels to all of it. Yeah, so what is the point you're making, bruh? Like, well, yeah, but I'm just saying, like, I think I think what are you saying, Mr. With me and you have been trying to figure out for like an hour. I'm trying to say that you don't like the man and fuck him and move on, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:22

Like, the reason why I respect just him, Jeff Staple, and whoever you're beefing with this month in a box of beefing with these people, they don't even know who I am.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:32

How you beefing with somebody, I have a strong opinion of individuals, but one of them copied you, apparently. So that I was mistaken, and I can I can actually say that I made a mistake. I didn't think I thought that guy started making videos around the same time as me. My bad. You can imagine I mean, apparently, I mean, look, some of the shit that he was looking at, yo, them them fucking no, no, that's not good at all. None of that. That shit's terrible. I'm but but look, everybody has their own fetishes when it comes to shoes, so no pun intended.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:03

But I want to back, I want to back you up to something you said to me. I I make a lot of content, but I enjoy making content. That's why I make content.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:11

So and what did you struggle? You always are trying to struggle with like how do I make this better so I can grab a better audience, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:04:19

So I grabbed me looked through the body of my content the other day, and I was like, wow, I've come a long way, right? Like, I my editing has improved, my storytelling is different. So the way I shoot things have changed, so yeah, I mean it's a progression. I feel like everyone, it's growth. Uh isn't that kind of part of the journey, right? As a creative, you're you're constantly growing and testing and experimenting, and we'll be that way as a person.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:46

It should be that way as a person, but then there's that hockey Haktua girl. Like, you know what I mean? You're you she had a moment, I don't know what you mean. No, it's a moment. Like I'm saying, like you had a moment, didn't you? I get a million views on one of your shits, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:04:59

My first video on TikTok. I got his first video. And it was a shit video, it was just showing my South Park shoes. I know, everyone went crazy.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:08

I know, and and and and and I don't know how you followed that up, and if you kept making content more frequently, I don't know. But what you got that that was sheer luck, I think, getting on there in the first absolutely. I feel like a lot of people get lucky on this stuff, yeah. But you also have to if you understood the game at that at back then, you probably would have been like, oh shit, this is what I need to do. The next video is gonna be about this or this or this, right? I I came into it with a calculated, you know, like, hey, I'm gonna start posting my polo stuff. I like polo. I got 5,000 followers like instantly. I don't know how that happened, but like 5,000 followers, people in the community hated me because I was just posting expensive shit that I had, right? And then then it's then it got into sneakers, and I leveraged that platform to go to the YouTube channel. And it then it worked, you know? And then I just kept buying shit and whatever, and then podcasting now, and podcasting's much harder than any of that shit. So are you are you grifting? No, I'd rather do this, I'd rather have conversations than than talk about shit that I'm not gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:15

But you're using popular things to enter into a different space, right? So you're hopping on trends per se, so you can build a platform. But what happens when you're only known for sneakers? It's hard to break away from that content. You see it with these bigger sneaker creators, they can't really jump into a different lane successfully all the time. That's why they're always coming back to sneakers.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:41

I think guys like but Tony D2 Wild and um what's his name? What's on boy's name? His boy, what's the name? Bullet Arsenal from Virginia Bullet, yeah. Bullet. They're streaming now. I don't know how many people they got on their streaming thing, and they also have their own clothing on it. I always find an exception, but I'm saying in general, and that you know they bread and butter sneakers, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:03

Well, no, they have they have the clothing brand too, and people buy that rather than cream content, bro. You know what sneakers, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:09

Yeah, but dude, they have they have a wealth of knowledge and content that goes back uh over a decade, and those videos are still getting views. If you take 10, a thousand, two thousand videos, and if all of them were making a dollar a day, you know what I'm saying? Like some of these videos that they have still make make money. Like, I'm talking like a couple, like if all of them made ten dollars a month, ten thousand videos, you do the math, right? That's a nice check you're that's coming in just off of residuals off of videos that are just sitting on YouTube because people are finding them or or scrolling through them or whatever. But it's it's this is a lot of content. I still get views off of that stuff on the old stuff. That's what keeps the channel up, kind of. It's just that the watch time isn't there because it wasn't consistent. That's what we have to get better at like getting more watch time.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:59

And the podcast would you say I'm better than you because my business podcast was getting 10 to 20,000 downloads a month? Yeah, you should have monetized that bitch, did you? I don't know. No, because we said we wouldn't.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:13

Then hey, sometimes you gotta take it, take it.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:16

But I did that for eight years. I built a whole platform. I mean great following. Hey, you should have. I mean, look, you could have done something more. Money is not only the only driver.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:27

I'm not saying that. Did I say that? I did not say that. He said that, not me. He's the one talking to carts. I did not kind of felt like it just I did not say that. Stop making it. You're talking, you said to me he gets views, he gets endorsements, he gets this and that. I'll I'll take a bag if Nike gave me a piece of shit to review. That's what you said. I didn't say nothing.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:50

What is what is so? What did you say I said initially? First off, the Nike thing was your point, by the way. You bought it wasn't my point. I might ask I asked you a question.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:00

And you take my brain broken right now. Hey, I think you broke my brain.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:04

Are you actually, and I'm not saying this in a controversial way because I know people are reverse PC. Are you actually mentally retarded? Like, have you been diagnosed with something?

SPEAKER_05 2:09:13

No, maybe blood.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:15

Like your schizophrenia, uh BPD. Are you okay, fam? I'm straight. You literally brought up the Nike conundrum. You asked me that.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:26

Yeah, I asked you a question about that. You said you would take a badge. No, I said you brought up take. No, I said you brought up the fact. Wait, I'll let me rephrase that. And you brought up the fact that you would take sneaker fetishes, super rich, and probably. I said he's getting product from you said he gets it, he makes a living off of this, which he does not. I'm 9,000 sure he has a regular job. Nobody who has 50,000 followers on Twitter.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:49

You know, how do you know that? You just give you your wife who has a fraction has 200 followers and he got a 6k bag. So, how do you know that?

SPEAKER_05 2:09:59

You don't because she talks to an audience that engages. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:03

How do you know that about sneaker fest? I'm not asking you about that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:05

He probably gets money from somewhere, but at the end of the day, I don't think he's making that because you don't think, so you don't know, you don't know, brother.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:11

I don't know, you don't know as much as you think you do. I don't know. You need to humble yourself in this, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:16

I don't know anything because you literally said this copied off of you, and you said I don't know, and I literally corrected myself after I looked and he's learning he's been doing it for almost 20 years, and it still sucks. Then you just give a random number 20 years, brother.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:30

Like, I'm not arguing if his shit I took and just did it much better, so that's all I'm saying. Yeah, bro. Like, I don't think it's enough, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:38

Like, I'm concerned, I just like you interact with other humans in the real world, bro. Weirdest individuals. I mean, Drew goes out there and buys all they they they fucking merch.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:49

You go ahead and just jump off a cliff, bro. And no, no self self-reference, bruh. I'm concerned for you, like legitimately as a person. Yeah, bro. I'm worried about you, man. Have a relationship with your family, bruh. It's great.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:03

Okay, I'm great.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:05

You sure? Yeah, because damn, bro. I'm legit, like I'm it's like it's giving a guy that lives on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue talking to you, man. Like this shit is scary, fam.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:20

Like, it's it's fabulous.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:21

You need a court stenographer to read you back, bruh. We matter of fact, professional court stenographer, we are hiring, bruh. Paid gig. Read back some of the points when me and you gotta deal with this mental vortex. Sean, if you're listening, I empathize with you now. I see what the fuck is going on, bruh.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:42

Yo, uh, so the general purpose. Um tapped out, right? Yeah, man. General purpose like cream. I paid $400 for this shoe and they're restocking it.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:57

I got my about Tom Sock shoes. You can all have it.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:01

How did he get a pass?

SPEAKER_01 2:12:04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:07

With him apologizing for it, that means he technically did all that shit. He it wasn't found to be untrue. He apologized for it.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:14

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:15

He definitely is a weird sex pass, but hey, his shoes are reselling for a thousand dollars. So now you can say all is forgiven.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:24

That's just the Mars yard, though.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:26

I'm just waiting for somebody in the comments to be like, I didn't say that about Travis. I don't go for Travis's.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:32

He killed the kid. Travis killed the kid? Oh, with the the absolute situation. Look at the minds Adidas mind slide.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:44

Um I'm looking forward to his budget model going on sale. I'll pick up a pair for 50 bucks.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:55

Now I was right. There is nothing to talk about. See, because like these there's nothing like shoe related out here like that. Sorry, people who listen to this who come here for sneakers. Shanghai Fireworks.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:05

If anybody came here for sneakers and was disappointed, I know a channel that y'all can watch. Sneaker fetish. We just we just gave a big endorsement for him. I didn't because I already stated I'm not a fan of that dude. I don't know why you kept doing YouTube gymnastics against this dude. So Drew went forward. We were having an itinerary. We know how to speak off the dome. We'll give H a chance to write a little bio. I like yo, there was nothing.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:32

There's literally nothing to talk about this week.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:34

I was looking for the case. What's up, y'all? How y'all doing? Pickupslash releases, Supreme Watch. Supreme. Um, we do topics and then we can go talk about culture, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:45

Watch, watch. I had I had found I had topics for this week. The Kool-Aid pineapple, iPhone 17E being made in Israel. See, that's fan.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:56

We can shift that towards the end of the podcast once the sneaker people trail off. But uh yeah, bro, we're gonna have to have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:02

I think we had a very interesting discussion about content creation and sneaker content creators. I wouldn't call that understand. I think it's a good debate to have because you know, these people not this is why people grew disinterested with the culture itself because there's so much bullshit, and as these people start waving off, like this guy will probably find you know his little thing and go back to work and do whatever he does, and you know, and and I did something you just said, I gotta stop you.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:34

This bullshit was always in the culture, it's just been amplified since social media has ramped up around it, it's always been a part of the culture, it has always been nonsense, bullshit, beef, fucking opinions, whatever you want, right? But the the injection of this like massive social media machine has fractured the culture in a way that separates it, does not bring it together like it used to, right? Like you sneaker con is a perfect example. All the all the sneaker events is less about getting together and kicking with your your crew and more about how many pairs can I move right now and how much money can I make.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:17

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:17

So the culture is shifted towards more transactional in a way that kind of makes people that have been in it for longer not enjoy that part of the culture.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:29

So it's J2 kick's fault, J2 kicks fault. I agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:34

But you can't so you to your to that point, it's it's like things have changed. So you're looking at the culture differently than we are. We see the culture, like I won't, I'll I will speak for myself. I see the culture differently than you will. I see it more about community and sharing a passion for something we have in common, but getting to learn about somebody more so in a deeper way than just about sneakers. That's part of the culture, right? Like, it's not always about sneakers, it's about the real you know, the connections you make and the friendships and all that shit. It's family, man. I mean, that's it just goes deeper. I hate when we just get quiet.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:21

No, I I I agree with you. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:25

So that's the impact. That's the impact, right? Like actually having connections with people. I would have never met the two of you if it wasn't for sneakers, it just would have never happened. So to me, it's a common thread that everyone can enjoy and appreciate, but it can it just doesn't have to be about sneakers, it's just the entry point.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:48

I said that a while ago. I said that an hour ago. I did say that an hour ago. If you said if you said it, you weren't clear. I said it that well, for me personally, the entry point was the sneaker stuff, and it evolved to what we're doing. To be charitable, you did kind of yeah, but I also look again, Cari. I understand your viewpoint, and you respect a lot of these guys within the culture, but I also I call a spade a spade, and maybe I say it in a disrespectful way.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:16

Like you're imprinting, like acknowledgement and respect are two different things. I respect these creators as humans, and like Drew said, the effort that goes into creating content personally for a lot of them, don't give a fuck. I am acknowledging though that they're doing their thing, whether I like it or not. Like, I acknowledge Donald Trump is the president, he wouldn't be my first choice. I both of those things can exist, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't it's like sometimes you get a little you gotta pick a side or you gotta you gotta understand no brother. I can acknowledge that about picking a side. Well, yeah, it's not about picking a side, yeah. Poor choice or worse. But I'm just saying, like, I can acknowledge that I don't like secret fetishes content, I don't engage in it. It's also nothing severely personal, but I also acknowledge that in this space, he walk into a room and I walk into a room, I'm the other Kari for now. I acknowledge that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I love once again. Greg gonna probably think, damn, bro, I don't take no offense. I love you, bro. George, Rico, Andy, Dom, the studio where I record it, I love you. Even Greg goes, man, this is bullshit, man. Let's wrap this up so I can go home and be with my family. Because he's not getting paid, he's very well paid from his career through his education and being a partner with his successful wife. You know what I'm saying? But I'm pretty sure if we ask Greg who is doing their thing in this space on the grand scheme, he would not say that guy. He will acknowledge so many people that's doing more, but that's that's that doesn't mean they don't like anybody. That's not me they're doing it better, they're doing it in a way that he couldn't do. Like, for example, he'll probably acknowledge that no idea original man, no idea is original and Greg ain't friends, but no ideas original had a huge venue in New York for Air Max Day, bigger than the shit Nike put on. Could Greg necessarily do that in AZ?

SPEAKER_05 2:19:26

Probably, I don't think they wanna so that it's not about if he wanted, could you? No, it depends. It depends on how much passion. So, like, Drew Drew I put in the passionate culture side, like he would do the podcast, do the content, and try to do a festival. Like, he'll turn uh you're already you do an arts thing, right? Your wife and then did an arts festival thing, like you could bring a sneaker thing down to wherever the fuck you live right now if you wanted to, if you had the the bandwidth and the and and the collective to do it, the sponsorships and all that stuff. It that's how he feels about the culture. I don't think Greg and George are like you said, because they have careers and all this other shit, that passionate about it, but they did grow a following that made them relevant. You don't get Clark Kent, J2 Kicks, all the people that mattered on your podcast. I hear you. You know why nobody fucks with them now because they had opinions, because they they that's great, bro. They brought up for the wrong one.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:20

I'm just saying if they do an event versus no ideas original or sneaker fetish, more people coming to them other people's events, but because they doesn't matter why. Can you acknowledge that more people will be coming? Yes, what did I just say? I just said Greg makes a better product to me. It doesn't mean it's a bigger product. McDonald's makes shitty burgers in comparison with five guys, but over a billion servers, not something that five guys can put on their window. That's all I'm doing.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:50

It's done with less than a lot of people. I don't know why there's a difference.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:52

I'm acknowledging the fact that McDonald's makes an inferior product, okay, but it reaches more people.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:57

Why do you keep saying, But it's I just said that, but then there's some platforms like complex, they put on they give us a good product for the most part. I'm saying that they I'm trying to say I don't their creative stuff is subpart of me, like their podcast, the kit personalities they have on there, whatever. But they do a good event, they understand, you know, how to tap into culture and that everything that I just was saying is that no, but that's that's like no, no, I'm I'm just saying that they're everybody's good at something and they have a certain lane. Can we build up uh make a 12 up festival one day? Maybe if we put enough effort and time into building the platform, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:39

No, but I think you just want to keep dragging this out, bro. I don't want to try to end this. Yeah, you keep saying buts and ands and ifs, if ifs and buts was candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas, fool. Like, why do you keep bringing up this shit, man?

unknown 2:21:52

Candy and nuts, Merry Christmas.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:54

Yeah, that's the old Christian saying. I thought you would recognize that because you had to dye your beard. I thought you were connect, but anyway, bruh, like no one's discrediting either party, bro. I'm just like you say, everyone has their own thing, bruh. You feel better about the sneak this and about us, and that's family. I don't know. Yeah, that's family, that's your opinion, bruh. But I'm also acknowledging other people, whether I like them or not, are doing things too. That's it, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:20

Yeah, I get that, but also there we go. But also opinion. I'm just this all started from an opinion, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:22:29

You argued against it.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:31

What opinion?

SPEAKER_04 2:22:32

It's not an opinion. Uh it's I said bias.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:35

Bias. I said bias.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:37

It's no bias, it's an opinion.

SPEAKER_04 2:22:39

You can have that's those words are synonymous with each other.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:44

They don't they they don't have any impact on my day-to-day. I don't I don't breathe or like when I when I think of Jeff Staples, it's only on this platform, and we do this. I don't think about how many shoes he's selling or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 2:22:56

You might no one's arguing that, bro. And you're you're so bad at the end of the day. Yes, you're so bad at establishing your point, you gotta keep trying to take me and Drew take little shots at us, bruh. But just stand on your own opinion, bro. Like, stand on the fact that you don't like this.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:10

So, wait, wait, wait. You you say things to the contrary of me, and I'm not supposed to defend the my point. You're not making a point, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:17

I made plenty of point, you're regurgitating.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:19

I made plenty of points. I showed you numbers. No, I showed you numbers. I said sneaker fetters don't get numbers. I showed you the numbers. You're like, that's the weird shit.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:27

You got two more views than we do. Well, now the speed of something you ran away from you had to read out the Twitter interactions because you wouldn't do it, because it didn't Twitter interactions. What are you talking about? Bro, now you always and then you always feign it.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:39

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, no, what are you talking? He read out what what Twitter interactions are you talking about? I'm we were looking at sneaker fetish. Because now you're getting blatant, you're either blatantly ignorant or you have a mental disorder. People look at the numbers. The man has 57,000 followers, gets less than a thousand.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:57

Now you remember now you remember the interaction.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:59

Okay, he's like, so you're you're you're blatantly misrepresenting your points. He tweets 9,000 times.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:06

I'm about to log out because I'm not talking about this anymore. You got anything to add before I dip? I'm not talking about this no more. I'm not gonna platform somebody I don't even like, bro. Why are we talking about this?

SPEAKER_02 2:24:16

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:16

Yeah, we're not gonna talk about anything else in the culture or in the secret space. We can wrap this episode up because I'm not gonna keep doing this. We're gonna be visiting this next week. We mentioned that nigga next week. I'm logging out before the podcast. Telling you that right now. Shout out to Sneaker Fetish, you know. If I hear about a fetish, if I hear any of those keywords, I'm dipping out, bro. And I'll see y'all episode 57.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:41

Yo, you know the thumbnails gonna be that man's face and everything. That's it, it's gonna be covered for the sneaker though.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:47

Unless one of them are coming on the show, bro. Unless uh unless a viewer or somebody brings it up or a special guest, not talking about this no more.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:56

It's all love though. Shout out to Sneaker Fetish and um everybody out there who makes content, whether you get views and likes and shit or not. Oh man, Car, you get you I love you, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:25:10

You good any op on the show that we mentioned, or any ops, man. You know, any op here fan, any friend that yo, I skipped dinner for this. Yeah, if any of y'all feel a certain type of way, crazy part of opinionated view, bro. It's all love to everybody who do this. It's mainly my come in the house and fight you. Um, Greg, you know I love you. Aaron, Seth, both Seth's anybody I mentioned today, it's all love, bro.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:33

When I'm such you know what, H, you remind me of my dad. Everyone has an opinion, but mine's the only one that matters.

SPEAKER_05 2:25:39

And if some mine matters, you just said it. You didn't have to me. You don't have to respect that or not. The fact that you counter those points is like, okay, I have to defend my opinion, and yeah, I'll always think your defense that is like sub-zero, but you roll zero wounded. When I could look at the numbers and see the shit, I just look at the shit differently than you guys because I'm buried in numbers all day. No, there's no biased way. If somebody gets a thousand, if I had 50,000 followers and I only got a thousand views on a day or whatever, that's that's not good. That's just a reality. Okay, that's all I know, you know. And as we all try to grow our platforms, big or small, understanding how that true engagement and communicating with a community is way more important, and talking and impacting that that thing, and that's something that I always say we have that puts us one up. That's what I say puts us one up with like what Greg and them do as well, right? As they they they they have a very engaged and loyal community. How you expand on that is a choice. Do you go this way? You could go you could stay like them, just be flat and be like, all right, we're cool right here, or do you want to grow past it? And I think what we do grows past that because we didn't focus 10 years on sneakers. We've been doing this a year and some change. We're over a year in now, not as a collective, but as you and me doing it. We've been we started this last April over a year now. You dealt with me, besides the the woman I'm married to. You have been the longest relationship that I've ever had. Well, no, I've never won before male or female. Yeah, terrible for me, happy pride, terrible for you, terrible, happy pride, pride.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:30

Now you see you gotta you gotta end it on that though. That's just too good. You just can't go anywhere, you can't go past that.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:37

You can't go past that, but I appreciate that shit. I see your good checks and balances to my uh the bar. It's real, it's real.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:45

Bro, at the end of the day, bro. Like, I don't have to ever explain this to people who watch the show regularly. Uh, for the newcomers, man, Drew and H are like my brothers, bro. Like, I value their well-being as much as I do anybody I rub elbows with in my day-to-day. And this is an opportunity for us to sit down, break bread, have conversations. The passion is there because we care about each other.

SPEAKER_05 2:28:06

Nobody else could talk to these two like that. I don't want to say how you cape for losers like this, though. Man, this man was throwing a cape.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:16

I was I respect my viewpoint, and I'm speaking to my best of abilities objectively. Like, I don't know, it's not very objective. And if you talk you talk about numbers, and then I bring up numbers, and you don't you don't even look at Harry pick numbers, you know what I'm saying? You you get numbers wrong all the time. Like, we could do a count of how many units you said of the pigeon was produced. We can talk about how many years you've been since sneaker fetish copied you, but your numbers game is not good, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:28:45

I don't know again, I don't know when that guy started from the numbers that I say hey look, I said 5,000 pigeons. Well, like I will legit legit acknowledge the fact that based off scale based off the scale, and Drew acknowledges it as well.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:01

Our engagements are good. Like, I I can't argue with that. Like, if you have a you know a subscriber count, but you're matching engagements of somebody whose subscriber count is 10 times yours, statistically, good engagement. But I'm also not gonna acknowledge the fact that this man has been doing this for two years and he got his lane, bro. Like, I don't I don't understand why that's so hard to do both. Who a sneaker fetish guy, or anybody else, like uh source, uh Seth Fowler. I don't watch any of these people. Seth Fowler, I'm subscribed to, I catch him when I can, pause. But yeah, bro, it's like these big media YouTubers are like phasing out, and like you said, you might want to watch somebody that's more engaging, but I still can't acknowledge the fact like look at their number, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:48

But it's a shift in the way people look at this stuff, and now you're really getting into there's 200 pairs of pigeons made by the way. I looked it up again, but we're shifting I was on baited breast. We're shifting into an era where people want to actually have thoughtful, meaningful relationships with who they to watch on social media, meaning it's not just about how many followers and how much crazy shit you do and whatever. This is why streamers are so popular. This is why um there's there's a bunch of people who focus on certain things doing numbers within their niches, and that's that's why you know I I again I'm I'm living in this because like I said, my wife's podcast only been around for like eight, six, seven months now. And uh bro, their their Reddit is crazy, like they they have 500 people subscribed to their dog. They they they did the same, they talked about did a commentary on that um Cyrus kid getting shot in South Carolina. It has I think eight hundred something comments on it and 46,000 views. I'm like, how the and this has been only out a day, and then and then there's people just these women. What did they talk about Carmelo Anthony? Oh my god, I mean that shit. Oh, actually, how do y'all feel about I think he I mean he obviously killed the kid? I it's it's it's kind of cut and dry. I don't understand how this is a racial thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:18

Is it's not um it's not as controversial as the shooting Mr. Child did because people, even of color, are like he he stabbed the shit off that kid, yeah, yeah. Um not gonna give too much of a personal opinion on it. I don't know. When I kept hearing Carmelo Anthony, I'm like I thought it was Mellow. Mellow? What the hell? Mello, you know what I'm saying? But um, you know, because the the opposing side is he was doing self-defense because he was about to get jumped. I don't know that. I haven't heard the court case, but what I do know is someone stabbed somebody. So it's only so many places that this could have gone.

SPEAKER_00 2:32:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:04

I don't see this verdict as being as divisive as the previous one we were trending for. Because like I said, I saw a lot of people of color black, majority going, stab that again.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:17

Yeah, and it's a it's it's it's to me, it's it's just different. I mean, look, when you bring race into these things, it's it's it's weird, but you can even if they did have a scuffle, nobody deserves to you know get if you stab somebody like that, it's it's manslaughter at least, right? You know the law a little bit, right? What's the what's that manslaughter?

SPEAKER_02 2:32:37

Like yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, I'm not an expert.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:41

I'm just saying, like that would be it's not first, it's the first degree is with intent, so I don't think there was intent there. What'd they get him on though? What was it? First degree or or manslaughter? I can't, I haven't heard him on the I mean 35 years.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:53

That's what I saw. He got 35 years for whatever, so it couldn't be murder. I it shouldn't homicide.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:59

Oh, he got no, he got first degree murder.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:01

Is he is he a minor?

SPEAKER_05 2:33:03

They weren't even they went for first degree and got it. Wow, that's interesting. How old in the Texas 17. Oh, that's probably why he didn't get longer than 35. Yeah, well, I mean he's gonna spend his for the rest of his formable years in prison, but yeah, you got this case, you got the one we talked about previously.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:20

You've got um Chubb the Builder, and then you've got I don't know if Chubb the Builder's good gets off. I'm gonna be have y'all heard about the guy and uh the the recording artist David. Oh, yeah, that's a trending case, too. I mean, David's rap, though.

SPEAKER_05 2:33:34

That's a rap. I mean the evidence is there.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:36

No, who's insurmountable?

SPEAKER_05 2:33:38

Yo, dog, if I'm gonna fucking try to get rid of a body, I'm not leaving it in the back of a Tesla.

unknown 2:33:43

Like, who the fuck does that?

SPEAKER_04 2:33:45

My man ordered chainsaws, an inflatable pool, an incinerator, and a shovel via delivery services to his crib. But here's the thing, though might not have been David because he it was ordered under. Or uh Victoria Mendez. See, that's the trick. Even though it went to his house. That's the girl. Like the Victoria Mendez just changed the name. He just made a dumb name. The victim was Celeste Rivas Fernandez.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:14

Oh, Celeste. Yeah, okay. They're the girl they made the song about.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:18

It wasn't the song, but he's he's like, I can't tell you the verdict of Chud. You can have your opinions on the other two cases, but David is one that I'm still gonna say allegedly for legal reasons, but wrap them up, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:32

I'll never I had I had a couple of thoughts before we bounce about the um three hours later. Yeah. Uh but I was thinking about my wife and I were talking about this today. How he the the gun situation, right? We didn't have full knowledge of that coming out of trial. Some of the things that were said on over here on our podcast last week were valid, but more from an emotional standpoint. I'll admit that. Now, understanding the circumstances, I really feel that that gun either was planted or you know, it it it it the in like they're made, they're lying, right? About him pulling it on them or whatever. He probably did try to ditch the gun or something, but you don't the man had a history shooting at people. The man, you know, he was running away. Why would you have shot a couple people before you didn't he didn't steal nothing? That's established, right? So he didn't deserve to die, but you the circumstances that led up to his death, you could question those all day. But the fact that as I read through 300 comments that before the episode, I kind of read through what people were saying on our thing. Everybody said that he stole, he stole, he stole. He didn't steal shit. Which I don't understand how you get that when it's been established in a court of law that he did not steal anything, they thought he was stealing something, and they established they're trying to you're trying to legitimize the viewpoints of trolls and racists. Well, I get it, but at the end of the day, the facts are facts, right? The fact that he got murdered, whether they did it in self-defense or not, you can't say that everything that they said to justify this was that he stole some water.

SPEAKER_04 2:36:21

Now you're never gonna try to get a justified viewpoint from somebody whose initial response was chimp out, don't steal. Yeah, but don't give them people the benefit of the doubt with the clip alone, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:36:32

I get it, I get it. And people, you know, people are gonna have those opinions and it's all race-based. But as I see these things happening, and this is what's what's crazy about it, I was as I to this morning, right? I'm walking my dog, and the energy outside was just different. That's all this shit, this race shit starts happening around the country. Whenever it happened, like summer 2014, whatever. I live in a very old white neighborhood. I'm walking my dog, and I'm walking by elderly old women, men, and everybody was clutching their pearls there, or they or symbolically clutching a purse. I'm walking around the pond near my house. Lady's looking at me from across the pond. She's walking, and I stopped to let my dog take a shit. She stopped to wait and see which direction I was going. Bro, I stopped and I just I saw her and she just stopped and was looking at me, and I was like, that's weird, bro. And I started walking, so I kept walking, and I just went this one path, and I turned around to look, and then she started walking on her way again. And I'm like, bro, I and we talked about this shit about you know people following you around the store and all that shit. I don't get it. Like, I'm more scared of them than they are of me. They should be of me, which is crazy. I am my worst nightmare, and I said it when I moved into this neighborhood, was that a white person was gonna call the cops on me as I walk past their house with my little dog and say I'm casing or whatever cop pulls up on me, and I don't know what's gonna happen next. You know, don't don't run. Oh, I can't be suspicious. No, I can't, it doesn't matter what you're doing. I'm being sarcastic, I know. I'm just saying, you know this, and I know this. As much as I've never faced these things, it doesn't matter how much money you have, how much uh uh influence you have, who you are, it's still gonna be a thing if they don't if if they have that implicit bias against you. And it's fucking sad. And I it it just upsets me that I have to deal with this ever, you know, as these things you know start going. That's why I miss living where I used to live. Like in DC, you don't see this as much. New York, you don't see it at all, really. But it's uh it's crazy because I just I thought, you know, we're uh we live in this quote unquote post-racial world, but everybody is still on edge when they see something different or somebody different. It's it's just crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:57

Well, when when do you see people of color in the news? You see them being uh yeah, championed and you know, shined a good light on.

SPEAKER_00 2:39:05

Never.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:06

So I feel like yeah, right. So a lot of people's perception, if they are not in an area that is diverse, is that they don't know any better. Yeah, man. Racism isn't isn't inherent.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:20

You you don't you're not born a racist, you are taught and learned behavior, it just baffles my mind and hurts me like sometimes because I sat here and I thought I came back home. I was like, why the fuck? You know, and and it it just you know, I don't I don't even like to engage with these people. The lady ran up on me the other day, was just talking to me, and I was like, I don't want to talk to you. Like, I don't need I don't need no, and but it's it's and I and she could be sincere, nice lady, whatever, trying to be neighborly and shit. But I'm like, I'm not here to be friends with y'all and and do things and whatever. I know what you you know I just know that I there's certain places in this country where me as an individual, and you could call me like you know, a racist or whatever, like I'm just being paranoid or whatever, but I already know what it is, and I live in one of those places, and not to say that I wake up every morning scared, I know there's enough, you know, I I I've established myself enough and my neighbors know me, whatever, but it still bothers me that I get that vibe just walking down the street, and then it's it's just like it just doesn't make sense, especially like I don't know, I don't know. And I and it's funny, I count I see black people around here all the time. And sometimes I if I see a black person, I don't know, and they don't kind of make sense to me, I'll be like a little weird about it too. And that maybe that makes me as racist as these people. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:48

Is it because they're black or they just look like they're up to something?

SPEAKER_05 2:40:52

No, it's because they're black and I feel they're up to something, you know. But that's that's the that's the stigma. Car, are you still there? I don't know what he's doing, but no, it's it's the stigma that we put and and even if you're in a bad neighborhood and you see by some a black person and you're in a black neighborhood and some black person looks sketchy, it's the same shit. But it's just it's just different when you feel that like you put, you know, you've worked so hard to get to this place in life where you think that none of that stuff actually matters, but it's even worse than when you were living in you know lesser circumstances or you know, or lesser being in a lesser class, right? I like I always liked the sense of community that I had when I lived in in the city that I lived in, right? When I was younger. And um growing up in a in a more affluent part of Long Island, New York always made me feel like weird because I didn't understand racism and all that stuff growing up, and then and it didn't affect me until I actually saw it, and I was in when I was a teenager. And and from then on, I've always had my guard, well, not really in college I didn't, but as I've grown, I've noticed I've noticed it even more, right? As I as I've been in more white spaces, and it's still it's it kind of pisses me off because I'm just like I don't want to be around this shit no more. That's just the way I feel about it, and it's like you know, I I don't know. I I just can't, it's hard to cope with, but then I also feel like it's part of the way, you know, maybe this maybe the reason I'm such a dickhead about some of these things in life, you know. But car, you get what I'm saying. Like when it when when you're we all know we we all know how to read certain things, and I feel like I'm not you know, when I walk around my own neighborhood and I don't feel safe and secure around my neighbors, that that just doesn't, I don't want to live here, doesn't sit right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:42:42

Wait, ask him the other thing you said about that if you saw someone of color, like oh yeah, wouldn't look go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 2:42:52

I don't want to interpret your words. If I see if I yeah, because you don't want to sound racist. If I saw a black person, I can't sound racist because I'm not racist, you don't see color, yeah. Um if I saw if I saw a person of color in my neighbor, a black guy or whatever, walking around where I walk my dog, and he just looked out of place to me, I'd feel a certain way about that, meaning my antennas would be because they're black, and I'm not used to seeing black people around here. And I feel that's the way they feel about me, these white people.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:26

Yes, yeah, so that's you're you're proving the point that what you're saying is like you don't feel like being around it, yet you're part of the problem. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna be able to do that. Until people stop behaving that way and actually thinking outside of somebody's color, nothing will change. Racism will always be present.

SPEAKER_05 2:43:44

Me and that black guy to these white people are literally brothers trying to rob their house. To me, I'm looking at it like this guy don't belong here, but he's black. What's he doing? And I don't care, I'm gonna walk by him with confidence and you know, give him the you know, a nod, be like, you know, I don't see my brothers around here. Am I gonna stop and engage and talk to them? Pine. I don't like to talk to these white people either. So it's just it's just it's it's different, but also I know there's a clear and present danger when the old white lady is looking back at me and picks up her phone and potentially is calling the cops, but whatever. That's just two different versions of an unconscious bias, though. But like do we all don't we all have that? I mean, in a in a way, like if there was a sketchy looking brother in your neighborhood, you would think that's what I'm saying, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:44:28

It's just like that. Like, you see somebody from not around the way, you could be chilling outside, like coming from an urban environment. Like, yo, who's that? Yeah, you might think it's uh undercover, you might think it's somebody that could potentially be up to no good, might be somebody you had beef with in the past, but like you gotta also understand from these white people that have or Asians or Hispanics that have lived in this community and are not used to seeing black people, and their only knowledge of them is chimping out, chimping out, yeah. Right, they're gonna be apprehensive, they're gonna clutch their purse now over time. You know, that that uh complex, oh, you're one of the good ones that can develop, and legit friendships can come from that. But initially, the guard gonna be up. Yeah, I mean, white people can have the same thing, like they'll see uh a straggly. I was listening to a true crime case where the suspect was a white man, it was in a very affluent area in Connecticut. Kennedy's from there, the head of Schweppes lived there, um, the the head of PepsiCo lived there. Um, and uh and a young girl in the late 70s, mid-70s was murdered, and one of the suspects, which ended up going nowhere, was this look like somebody that was a vagabond, uh hitchhiker. He was a white guy, you know what I'm saying? Mainly because there's no black person in that area. Uh, but you know, white people can be like, hey man, what's up with this unkept looking, you know, Ruffian? You know what I'm saying? So you could do that interracially or you know, um, within your own race. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But um, that's just the status of how on edge everybody is. Everyone is potentially carrying a firearm, people are economically stressed. Nowadays, you go on these dating profiles, and the first thing someone asks is who you vote for.

SPEAKER_05 2:46:17

I mean, it's a valid question.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:18

Yeah, we're just a divisive nation right now. So, you know, race is just another needle in the cap that's being introduced on a scale like it hasn't been since the civil rights era. Bro, this is another point of contention.

SPEAKER_05 2:46:34

It is, but you you know what's crazy? So, my neighbor, right? Sweetest guy, not gonna say his name, but the the the um the postman put our put all his mail in my mailbox pause by mistake, right? And I looked at yo, he is a literal Trump card carrier. Now, I thought this guy was like one of those Joe Biden Democrat types, he's from Maryland. I was like, I always thought he was like just this nice white guy, probably a little liberal, whatever. He is a literal Trump Trump card. It said, renew your trump card, like he had a trump card. I didn't think that. I'm like, this guy is such a I'm like, I can't look at him and say he's turned his opinion.

SPEAKER_04 2:47:15

Maybe that Trump card was from 2016 when people were still giving him the benefit of the doubt.

SPEAKER_05 2:47:19

The renewal form, yo. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 2:47:21

He might have had one from back then and then he let it expire because he's changed.

SPEAKER_05 2:47:24

I don't know. I don't know living next door to me. But then now now I got the ops living next to me. I don't even know anymore. It's so weird. Like, you know, it and the politics matters in some cases. You know, I don't really, you know, you see me and Sean go at it over things, but it's just like I know where people's hearts are, but now it's just like you can't. Some of this is inexcusable to me, you know. As we get closer, closer to as we get closer to the apocalypse. I mean, one day I'm gonna be like Sean, you know, you gotta admit you were wrong at this point. How's that nuclear fallout?

SPEAKER_02 2:47:56

I would hate to be your spouse and get in a fight with you because you just rub, like you just can't let anything go.

SPEAKER_04 2:48:02

It's like when a dog pee on a carpet. My thing is, look, do these issues cross my mind? Do they raise concern? Yeah, but I got too much stuff in my personal life, and I'm trying to stay ten tones down with how I move. I know not to bring concealed weapons to places, I know to not let my temper cause me to want to end somebody's life over a scuffle. I know not to tell people to chimp out on live stream, man. And as long as I can direct my step, my family step, and my future off-spring step, if I have them, that's where I gotta start.

SPEAKER_05 2:48:41

I agree with you. That's good.

SPEAKER_04 2:48:43

We're bombing Iran.

SPEAKER_05 2:48:44

Oh, I heard about that. You didn't see that? Awesome. I mean, they've been this is the second busy today. This is the second time in two weeks they started bombing again, so it's whatever. I saw yeah, I saw Iran and uh Israel launching shots. I mean, this war is nowhere near over when we, you know, Trump has fallen asleep and nicknamed it. It's not a war, it's not a war.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:04

It's yeah, he hasn't started any of us.

SPEAKER_05 2:49:07

No, no, he does no, he ended a war in the Congo with the wars, eight wars.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:11

He's ended eight wars. This would this would be nine, ten, maybe twelve, maybe twenty-seven.

SPEAKER_05 2:49:16

That's a whole other discussion.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:17

Either way, I mean this is why are we in an administration where there are no current wars, no wars or laws or regulations, or the constitution is optional. It's kind of like UFC fight.

SPEAKER_05 2:49:31

It's on his birthday. Oh, I mean, we'll see. I mean, this is Trump sneaker fetters shout out 250, baby. 250, 250 years.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:41

Wow, and we may not make it five, we may not make it to 255.

SPEAKER_05 2:49:47

Yeah, we're gonna make it past.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:50

Yeah, we're living waiting to be with my grandkids looking at the 300.

SPEAKER_05 2:49:54

That's what's a weird yo. I can't. I'll be dead. I'm talking about this stuff, man. They're trying to figure out things, man, like what life is gonna look like, and I can see why people don't want to start families or don't want to do anything. It's tough.

SPEAKER_04 2:50:08

Look at the median cost to birth a child, let alone the cost of raising one in the first year. You can just look it up, and when I saw that, I'm all like, hello, luxury baby.

SPEAKER_05 2:50:17

I don't know what I would do. If I lost internet access, I'd lose my mind.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:22

I think I could adapt if I had a kid, but that's not something I'm looking forward to you know, living with.

SPEAKER_05 2:50:30

Wait, internet or kid? What we see, wait, what are you talking? Oh I think it's all internet. No, I mean, like, yeah, it's it's something, but yeah, that means you're gonna read them that just came.

SPEAKER_04 2:50:41

We had to wrap this up soon. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 2:50:44

Anyway, yeah, let's let's wrap it.

SPEAKER_04 2:50:46

Uh oh, speaking of birthdays and strip programs, man. Happy early birthday.

SPEAKER_05 2:50:50

Oh, thank you. It's in a couple of days. That's all good, man. You love you love you love Jess Staples and sneaker fetish morning. So, what is it? The 11th, your birthday, the 11th. And anybody and yo, look, and I'm gonna make this into a clip. Remind me to clip this machine 250. I'm gonna mark this. 250. We mean I I mean no disrespect to these people. I just think your content sucks. Was that on purpose? 250 had 250 out. Hey, let me let me start over. I don't mean no disrespect to stay Jeff Staples or Sneaker Fetish or any other content creator, or he had to take himself off the screen for this one. Uh, because you guys do what you do. I personally do what I do, and I do it with these guys, and I'm sullying their reputation every day. But if that means that's not true, whatever. I mean, come on, man. I'm pretty sure. Has anybody ever said something to you about me? I know somebody did. You told me somebody didn't. I've been trying to find that person, but on the politics one we do politics, yo. Speaking of politics, yeah, I had to let my I'm waiting for you to respond. I'm about to just block it. Yeah, I'm just I don't really want to engage. What happens?

SPEAKER_02 2:52:06

I feel bad though.

SPEAKER_05 2:52:07

About what?

SPEAKER_02 2:52:09

I don't know. I just I that's just who I am. I I never like to like ghost anybody like that.

SPEAKER_05 2:52:14

But ghost, go come on. There's plenty of women that have ghosted me in my life. I don't think that or men, whatever this is. I know I already know what we're talking about. What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_02 2:52:26

I'm just like it was weird they texted us today.

SPEAKER_05 2:52:29

Oh, look at motherfuckers want to want to get plenty of things. I didn't say nothing.

SPEAKER_02 2:52:33

Yeah, I gotta say neither one of us.

SPEAKER_05 2:52:35

You want you want to get you want to put you on the on the chat?

SPEAKER_04 2:52:38

You could say I'll pretend to be one of y'all, or I'll pretend to be uh the 12 hub manager.

SPEAKER_05 2:52:45

No, I mean, I don't think there's much else to say. I don't want to like be a dick, but it like but you also with the new rules a sex offender thing that kind of makes it hard to perceive. Uh yeah, I mean we should say something. I said last last message was like, let's just what let it cool down, but it it really hasn't because you just posted some crazy shit about she had her her his feet up in some niggas' face talking about getting divorced weird in the pedophilia. That's kind of like a hard I mean it's not it wasn't that it's it's it was it's sex trafficking. Let's get it.

SPEAKER_02 2:53:21

Let's not let's not the right pedophilia, it's not the right brand for the prop, right? It's just she's not the right brand.

SPEAKER_04 2:53:28

Yeah, you're talking about you're talking about starting our growth in the culture. Yeah, that's a hard stuff, man.

SPEAKER_05 2:53:33

Yeah, and the fact that I haven't, you know, I'm I'm prepping uh for a potential sale of the platform, so I don't know if it's something that I want to engage in. We don't have a show anymore, not this one, the other one, the politics joint. So I have to really step up and start posting more shit, which I haven't been doing lately because I've been focused on like you know, things that actually make money or try to make life, yeah. Well, that that and then this platform. I mean, we're close to monetization as always, but if for some reason it just never crosses that line. Our last episode did very well, by the way, guys.

SPEAKER_04 2:54:05

No, that last man, I legitimately had to mute IG from the comments because I'm like, right, at this point, they're not talking to any of us.

SPEAKER_05 2:54:12

They're talking about I'm talking about I'm talking about the long form. It's the video, I mean uh over 70 downloads on the rate on the audio and the video 90. Well, mind you, 90 views on a podcast that nobody knows about is very good when you get 12 minutes of engagement. So people have been watching through the the the there's you know, again, this this this one. I don't think this episode is gonna do well at all. Man, I wanna I might cut it down. I you think you want me to keep in the two hours we talk about sneaker fetish?

SPEAKER_04 2:54:51

Some of us should say it because I don't know it'll make for good clips. Yeah, I know it'll make good clips, but you know, the only person he here's the thing about him when people say his name, he likes Beetlejuice, he wants to pop out. You think he's gonna pop out? Not on video because he protects his brand, but on Twitter, he so guys, Corey Daniels here. I'm using my real name because apparently sneaker fetters is tapped. He's gonna say something. Like when he got at it with Greg, or when he got at the with my homies from uh loose laces, he ain't gonna say it on no video, but on Twitter.

SPEAKER_05 2:55:22

Oh, I might add him on Twitter on on the clip. Oh, yeah. So he's gonna he gonna talk his shit. I don't care. I mean, I like that's what it is. I ain't drew's like, I don't like confrontation, I don't see confrontation.

SPEAKER_02 2:55:33

I deal with I'm in confrontation, I'm in conflict all day, every day. Like, literally, it's not like a safe no, just I I don't like conflict because I don't enjoy being in conflict. I it's not a something should be so why would you say well you don't in you don't like conflict? No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 2:55:53

I totally don't like conflict, none of us do really, but we have opinions. I'm allergic to cats. Okay, no doubt is that that cat dead? Like, what the fuck? No, head was hanging low. Anyway, no, you got conflict is part of being a human, but also I feel like the biggest thing that we have uh one up on that guy is is that our personalities are just better. Like, it doesn't this guy's such a all right.

SPEAKER_02 2:56:24

I gotta bounce, I gotta take a leave.

SPEAKER_05 2:56:26

All right, bro. We almost hit that three-hour mark. I haven't done one of these in a minute.

SPEAKER_02 2:56:32

And safe travels this week, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:56:34

I'm leaving tomorrow morning. Yeah, I'm just going up to um it's only a three-hour drive to Cleveland, three and a half still. Safe travels.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:41

Yeah, that's that definitely is that yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:56:45

Maybe I'll drive a little bit on my own, whatever. All right, 120, episode 55. Peace.