The Healthy Doc Podcast

Episode 12: Elise Loehnen

Dr. Nigma Talib

Breaking the Rules – Elise Loehnen on Patriarchy, Goodness, and the Seven Deadly Sins

In this episode, Dr. Nigma sits down with New York Times bestselling author Elise Loehnen, former Chief Content Officer at Goop, podcast host of Pulling the Thread, and author of the acclaimed book On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to Be Good.

Together, they explore how women have been conditioned for “goodness” at the expense of their power, the cultural roots of patriarchy, and why our discomfort with ambition, envy, and desire runs so deep. Elise unpacks how historical and religious frameworks still shape our behavior and self-worth today—and why reclaiming our instincts is essential for a freer life.

This is a rich conversation that blends history, psychology, and lived experience—a must-listen for anyone navigating modern womanhood.

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Timestamps
00:00 – 02:40 – Intro: Meet Elise Loehnen, bestselling author and cultural commentator
02:41 – 07:00 – Elise’s journey from Montana to Goop and beyond
07:01 – 12:30 – Writing On Our Best Behavior and struggling with authority as a woman
12:31 – 16:50 – Observing women’s dynamics post-2016 election and cultural conditioning
16:51 – 21:00 – The myth of the “good woman” and its hidden costs
21:01 – 25:30 – Why we envy other women and what it reveals about our own desires
25:31 – 31:00 – The origin of the Seven Deadly Sins and their ties to control
31:01 – 37:20 – Envy, pride, and why women are taught to shrink
37:21 – 42:00 – Patriarchy, power, and asking: what is it really?
42:01 – 48:00 – The Enneagram, fear, and understanding human impulses
48:01 – 53:15 – Lust, gluttony, and how natural desires became moral failings
53:16 – 01:00:30 – Money, shame, and why ambition feels dangerous for women
01:00:31 – 01:07:50 – Practical steps for reclaiming self-worth and wholeness
01:07:51 – End – Final thoughts on freedom, goodness, and living fully

Follow Elise Loehnen:
Instagram: @eliseloehnen
NYT Bestseller Book: ON OUR BEST BEHAVIOR

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