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Does Collagen Really Work? Here’s the Truth!
Wondering if those viral collagen supplements are actually doing anything?
We cut through the collagen hype with science-backed insights on skin health, joint support, and anti-aging. Learn why most collagen gummies fall short, which types actually work, and how long it really takes to see results.
We also dive into how collagen boosts recovery, what hurts your body’s natural production, and why exercise timing and sleep quality matter more than you think.
Skip the gimmicks, get the facts on collagen, workout recovery, and sleep optimization that actually work.
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Speaker 2:We're going to talk about viral trends. What he loves taking scoops and scoops of is Collagen.
Speaker 1:Collagen, yeah, collagen. So what are we thinking? There's a lot of viral content going on, a lot of people putting out their own supplements.
Speaker 2:So Lemmy's collagen in gummy form. The dosage in the gummy form is like'm like. I don't know, it might be a toenail, half a toenail, something.
Speaker 1:It's very very need, like a whole worth of toenails.
Speaker 2:Well, that video is saying like in 30 days things change for her. First of all, the dosage of that's not enough on there, that brand. The thing they did right was vitamin c, but anything that comes in gummy form I'm quite skeptical about when you say vitamin c, like?
Speaker 1:is vitamin c good in combination with collagen, with?
Speaker 2:collagen, because of you know collagen's like the building block and vitamin C helps kind of build those building blocks of collagen.
Speaker 2:And the combination they have there is good, but it's got a very small amount of collagen, hydrolyzed collagen, in there. So for that to have any effect at all, probably not effect at all. Um, probably not. Anything in gummy form I tell people to be quite skeptical about, because you know they usually are underpowered. They just taste good. It's a. It's great marketing. Who doesn't like taking gummies? Yeah, and you know, like who's going to take two gummies? You can take four or six, you know, just add sugar to it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Somebody take whatever if you just add sugar to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they all got sugar in them.
Speaker 1:That's why everybody used to come to me in undergrad to make all their jungle juice. Yeah, they're like this is great. What'd you put in it? I was like, oh, it's grain, alcohol and Kool-Aid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're like how do?
Speaker 1:you know the right amount to mix. I'm like I just keep putting kool-aid in there until you can't taste the grain alcohol.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's the same same thing they're going for. Yeah, yeah so. So the lemmy brand, you know not one that, like, I don't think it does anything. Um and beyond that, like, especially not in 30 days like, for you to see any changes with taking collagen, especially in your skin, it's going to take, you know, 8 to 12 weeks of being on the supplement daily what would be the benefits of taking collagen?
Speaker 2:so you know, some of the stuff they say is true, some of the stuff they say is false, um, some of it it's anecdotal some stuff like people like a lot of it feel the benefits or something, but it's not statistically yeah, most of the studies don't actually like you know, and they're run by the industry yeah so you know how much of it is true is unknown so you can say that about pretty much everything yeah, but some things have like blinded studies that are done appropriately and not run by the industry.
Speaker 2:But um, but a lot of the collagen stuff's run by industry and you know they purport what they want, but I think a lot of it comes to hydration, you know. I think it's overall hydration to your skin. So it does improve, like the plumpness of your skin, but it does take the eight to 12 weeks and you got to take it daily. You got to take appropriate amounts and make sure it's like. The form that you need to get it in is the hydrolyzed form.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of other kinds you could get but the hydrolyzed because the hydrolyzed form your stomach can actually absorb through your gut lining.
Speaker 1:So, rather than breaking it down before it brings it in and then remakes, it.
Speaker 2:So you're not going to actually remake the collagen, so your body's going to, so it's a good source of protein and it's so you're. You're not going to actually remake the collagen, so your body's gonna, so it's a good source of protein and it's a supplement, and you can't say it's like directly going into your skin care yeah, skin care, so you know your body's going to use that cool yeah, it's ingesting it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your body's going to use that collagen the best way it can, so it could automatically like when you take it in. Some of it's going to go to like building your skin, but a lot of it's going to be used to like whether your body needs it for energy or something else. It's going to get used up. And some of it does go into, like building that video she was pretty much saying the effects on her abs.
Speaker 2:I think right, was she? Yeah, it doesn't do anything for the abs, it doesn't you don't build, you don't build muscle.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, collagen, everything but if it's a healthy diet supplemented with collagen, like because you've said it before collagen, collagen with heavy doses in bone broth, yeah.
Speaker 2:But even that, when you read the studies and stuff, you can drink gallons and gallons of bone broth but you're not going to absorb that collagen that's in there because it's not broken down for you to be able to digest it.
Speaker 1:Do you absorb any of that?
Speaker 2:You do, but it's very little amount and it's not in the form that you need to for your skin and eat your salt-free bone broth. No bone broth is good for you in other ways, but like you're not taking it for the collagen, so collagens can be naturally created in your body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it requires like three amino acids, I believe Collagens are protein, yeah so, and it requires like three amino acids. I believe Collagen is a protein? Yeah, correct, um, are any of those proteins, uh, amino acids, sorry, essential, like do you have to ingest anything?
Speaker 2:No, so those are all chains.
Speaker 1:So just brings me to like cause I supplement with amino acids and collagen. Yeah, like am I just spending a lot on supplements because I make I, I, I think overall, like I take it every day I think it does improve your skin.
Speaker 2:I I take the thorn brand, yeah, and that has a lot of that. Has other stuff for skin health as well. Um, that are been well tested and the thorn.
Speaker 1:Collagen blend or amino acid blend, the thorn collagen blend do you take and also I I do I put?
Speaker 2:I put the, their amino complex, which is the nine essential aminos that your body doesn't make, and you have to take it. Do you feel?
Speaker 1:at some points like a random thought today. Yeah, because I take like what, like five, six pills, yeah, in the morning for a supplement.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And five powders.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the five powders are put in the Yetii jug. That we both have just to make sure we stay hydrated and get all all the essentials. Yeah, do you think we're? We're kind of like trying to put together whatever it took to originally like put life together on earth. Yeah, like, okay, this is like just sprinkle some more of that on there yeah, make.
Speaker 2:Well, your body depletes this or that, yeah, you know, and then that's. That's the thing with collagen too, that. So your body begins to, you know, decrease collagen after you're 20 and you're in mid-20s, and then by 30s, production yeah, and by 30 you're like losing about one percent collagen per year. Okay, in your system. And you could do things to speed that up and do you know what those are. So something.
Speaker 2:What you're describing is is stagflation of my collagen from recent so smoking, eating sugar, eating poorly, you know um uv radiation yeah, all that stuff's gonna decrease the amount of collagen you're producing and break down the collagen you have. So that's why you see wrinkling, poor aging with you know, lack of collagen that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I haven't met somebody that smokes with nice thick, plump skin. Yeah, just like man. What are you doing? What's your secret? Especially good, oh, I smoke cigarettes.
Speaker 2:I dip yeah, well, it's especially good when they're tanning, smoking a cigarette and drinking a margarita, so you're hitting all three all at once. So, yeah, collagen is essential and we both use it. Yeah, I, I use, I put that, I put the essential aminos and I use creatine. Every day I make a jug and that's where we're going with the supplement line we're kind of making is to cover everything. Yeah, so you have the all-in-one. We don't have collagen in there, but you know, it's not not one of the essential things we thought.
Speaker 1:But everything's in there. It helps make more collagen, especially at the right doses. Yes, what's going viral now about collagen?
Speaker 3:My favorite collagen brands. So if you're new to my channel, hi. My name is Robert Love. I'm a neuroscientist. I specialize in helping people prevent Alzheimer's disease with science, and collagen can be a really powerful tool in anti-aging as well as reducing the risk of Alzheimer's disease. If you've seen the research, there's been a recent review showing that regular collagen supplementation improves skin quality, specifically improves skin hydration, it improves skin elasticity and it reduces wrinkles. So that's cool. And the look the longer, the younger you look, the younger you feel. So that could be really good. Number two there's research to show that collagen improves bone density and muscle density in women. That's really helpful and it's really important to exercise to reduce the risk of alzheimer's. So having healthier bones and having healthier muscles enables you to do more healthy exercise.
Speaker 3:So what brands do I take? So this is one that I've been taking most frequently. This is Vital Proteins. I get this at Costco. I ordered this online. It was like 40 bucks. This is like $30 at Costco, so I bought a whole bunch of this. I've been taking this for maybe six months. I like the chocolate the best. This is the neutral flavor. This is all they had, and I'm trying a new kind. This is Organe Collagen Peptides. I also got this from Costco. I haven't tried this out yet, so I can't tell you which one's better, but I'm testing these to see which one feels better in my body. And then someone just sent this to me. By the way, none of these are sponsors of the show. None of these sponsored my channel. I just got sent this one. This is modere and, uh, this one looks really promising. Look, look, how nice it looks. I'm going to try this out and see how this feels as well. So what do you think?
Speaker 1:about that one. Anytime somebody starts a video with I'm a, this person like if if I made a video and I was like, hey, I'm a plastic surgeon, it's like that would automatically like turn me off yeah. I'm a used car salesman which, hey, our dad was, yeah, and we technically I was actually for a brief period of time.
Speaker 1:Nothing wrong with that, you own up to it. But like what do you you? Why do you have to? Like you don't give people your title right away, like hey, I'm a bachelor of arts in psychology, which this guy sounds like he has he needs to kind of see a psychologist.
Speaker 2:But but like no, not if he's making sales on tiktok videos I guess not. There's some well more more money, more problems, right, maybe, but like his whole, like reason to take collagen to prevent Alzheimer's with being you know. And, like I said, like the studies he's reporting, like look at the studies, who's running them, yeah, and what they're using.
Speaker 1:He's just thrown out these brands that I got. I gotta tell you the um, I just randomly not randomly, but like looking at like different things that we've like looked up for, like what's actually good with longevity and like science of whatever science nature. Yeah, new england journal is I. I really like the research behind processed red meats and dose dependent being highly correlative to alzheimer's. Yeah, and it's not like you're a wholesome grass-fed like red meats, it's specifically processed red meats and like your mcdonald's red meat dude, it's hot dogs yeah, hamburgers like low-end stuff too, I mean it's.
Speaker 1:It's the cheaper goods, so they'll sell. Yeah, to a certain degree it doesn't matter. But do they have collagen in them? Not if you supplement with that.
Speaker 2:But you could pour that collagen powder on it.
Speaker 1:Right, you can pour the collagen powder on your face actually.
Speaker 2:You're free to pour it anywhere you want. So what if they're making those meat patties with that collagen?
Speaker 1:powder. I'm just going to go to a nursing home and just sprinkle collagen powder on everybody's face.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so their face looks younger, but like he's talking about alzheimer's and like it just preventing alzheimer's.
Speaker 1:I would not take from a self-proclaimed neurobiologist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's see so yeah, he's like so your skin looks healthier, so you're gonna think like you're younger, your bones are gonna be stronger, but like those studies you know no, your bones are always stronger if you forget how weak they were the day before. Yeah, exactly, but like, but. Like he's saying on a female study that I think I know what studies he's talking about and that was also industry run and there's a lot of faults in that one too Faults and biases and confounding factors.
Speaker 2:Collagen does help is it does help with elasticity, does help with, um, your skin being more plump and well hydrated. That stuff it does. It does help with even with, like, building bone strength and, yeah, muscle strength and, in the females, um so it's not not to because collagen's everywhere so it's going to help out in different areas. The like the first video talking about hair growth and stuff like it may help with the hair growth but like hair is made of keratin, it's not actually collagen.
Speaker 1:So it's a little after watching that video and looking at my chest hair, I'm like I might be taking in way too much collagen. Yeah, do you rub it on your chest. No, I'm about to.
Speaker 2:That might be when you're spilling the scoop on your chest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you just sprinkle it on my face and some of it spills on my chest.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's why the beard has to be shaved every day. But like I was thinking of on the chest, yeah, just from my collagen excess yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So like there hasn't been studies showing like collagen collagen improves your hair growth or anything like that so.
Speaker 1:So what I want to know is like is it better to take one of these collagen supplements or an amino acid complex?
Speaker 2:well, if it contains the you know it matters, I don't know they you know a lot of the studies like the thing is, a lot of the studies also like, when you look at it, they're taking multiple different things, so it's not controlled forget studies.
Speaker 1:Let's do a meta analysis on tiktok stuff. Yeah, so if you're?
Speaker 2:taking in the same amino acids that are in collagen and it's going to help out your elasticity. But when you're taking the essential aminos, that's helping more your catecholamines, your hormones and everything like that, so it's not going to help with your skin health as much.
Speaker 1:So here's my theory when you're taking the building blocks to make collagen, or whatever type of protein, yeah, that your body needs to make, yeah, to just get by or be better. It's, uh, if you're deficient in one route, like okay, this is better for your skin, this is better for, like, gut health, liver health. Uh, if you're deficient in any of them because it's it's like mix and match, right, yeah, 20 amino acids. Your body grabs a bunch of them, makes a protein out of it and like delivers it to a certain system, so it's, it's almost like all right, you can take those specific amino acids to make collagen, yeah. However, if they they're needed in a pathway, for it's going to bind with something else, yeah, it'll bind with something else, or your body kind of self-regulates.
Speaker 2:So if you need more going to bone, like, let's say, two out of those three amino acids, go to that yeah, but but like, yeah, the whole thing is like it's a supplement and it's an additive that you, you could take every day, just like a multivitamin, you know, and like even multivitamins just recently proven, like they did a study and like showed to extend life, um, uh, I gotta go back to that study. It was just reported a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1:I couldn't get the full article I think it's probably biased a little bit, because it probably is, but you don't know which vitamins and the they might not just that if you're in, if you're willing to take a vitamin every day, you're inherently more willing to take care of yourself than somebody that doesn't almost like like here's the health for like brushing your teeth, but.
Speaker 2:But the multivitamin was in a controlled setting where they gave some people and some people placebo.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing with people. Yeah, were they at the 7-eleven?
Speaker 2:yeah, with stuff with what you're trying to do with collagen and skin care, like, yeah, it's going to help, I think, like supplementing, like when you're trying to heal stuff or when you, you know, like we do microneedling or laser treatments. I think, when you're doing those treatments, to increase the collagen in your skin, it's probably helpful to have that to so you're able to produce more.
Speaker 1:So you're saying supplement definitely.
Speaker 2:So you're saying supplement definitely if you're doing any type of I think it's helpful that makes a lot of sense actually, yeah, and like doing appropriate skincare and that's where you're gonna see, you know, direct effect of, yeah, the the collagen, not actually putting the collagen on your skin, because that's not going to work because your body's not going to absorb that collagen. Um, it's, you know, taking that. You're so, internally, your body's making it and it's had this trauma that it's going to produce more collagen so it has the food to be able to right.
Speaker 1:Correct the building blocks to the building blocks, like we always hear in, like med school, yeah, um, but the building blocks to have the appropriate response for the treatment you're getting, yeah, so like, get the appropriate things and supplement to really get the full effect of yeah what, what? Whatever you're getting done is gonna like you.
Speaker 2:So collagen is in everything. It's pretty much the scaffolding, or you could you know if you've got a wood-framed house, it's the wood frame to the house. You know, type 1 and 3 are in like your bones. 2 is in your cartilage, 3 is in your cartilage.
Speaker 1:um, uh, three is in your vessels. Uh, yeah, that's right. Right, three's in the vessels. I I don't know. Yeah, yeah, it's in muscles.
Speaker 2:I used to what I needed to know, but yeah three is in muscles, tendons, um, I think four's in your vessels, endothelial lining, uh, so they're building blocks and everything you have it's a nice connective tissue, like even, even if, like from what you're saying is like even in tissues that you don't think, collagen is there, yeah, it's still there, supporting the system.
Speaker 1:yeah, keeping things together, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know like paying more for some of these supplements over others it's. You know, collagen is usually pretty cheap peptide to be able to get. And then you know there's different stories about, like you know, marine collagen versus bovine collagen or cow collagen versus, you know, pig collagen, which one's better and one's better than the other, Like there's no, you know, I think there was one study that said like the marine collagens better for skin but not for.
Speaker 3:What are marine collagens From? For skin, but not from dolphin fins, yeah, from dolphin?
Speaker 2:really no, I don't know what they're from.
Speaker 1:I was like.
Speaker 2:Dolphin fins sound like a really good source of collagen, but if you're eating vegan collagen, that's not true collagen. So yeah, if you're, if you're eating vegan.
Speaker 1:You're not eating. Eating, yeah, correct, yeah, okay, I don't know what that means Like fish bones.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it's from fish, so it could come, yeah, probably from bones and stuff.
Speaker 1:I think an understudied thing is actual absorption. Yeah, because, like a lot of people take a lot of different supplements.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And from different brands, and it's clearly why we picking our brains the way we do. We think they have the best absorption yeah there's no like actual studies to like go off of, like. Okay, you know what I'm taking this to benefit me this way and this way and this way.
Speaker 2:You can also have genetic abnormalities where you're not absorbing it either too, or digesting right.
Speaker 1:True, or just like the microbiomes don't break things down the way they're supposed to. So I don't know. I'm still going to take my supplements. I'd started like four months ago. I feel better every day. I sleep better and also been exercising, so that helps out, but it's good to be able to like support the whole body, yeah, while putting yourself through that strain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think like, especially when I started taking GLP-1s, when I didn't take collagen and then I started the Thorne skin collagen, I think like I definitely noticed more plumpness in my skin, especially like in my cheeks and face, where I felt like I was really getting hollowed out with taking the glp-1s you didn't look dead, no more no, look at me.
Speaker 2:I'm woke so, um, and the other thing is, like you know, thorn does a lot of the anti-aging and anti-inflammatory stuff and they have so much stuff, it's it's hard to keep up with everything yeah, but even that collagen, that collagen plus, it has like mitoheal, which is known to, it's like black currant and it's known to and been shown in studies to improve skin and healing and it has nice, nice in her nicotinamide riboside, which is great anti-aging and I think just cellular hydration is a big point of this whole collagen. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:But that actually is a good point because that's like the osmotic pressure yeah, Correct, Like collagen, strong protein in a lot of different cells, and the osmotic pressure is concentration of protein to water and if you have more protein, most cell membranes will get water to go through it. To balance out that protein to water, that protein water balance, I guess you would call it. And yeah, if you're properly hydrated with the proper amount of proteins, then that osmotic balance is optimal to like. Just make sure your body systems are in the right balance, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. So actually eating you know when they talk about. You know when I tell you you can't take bone broth to improve collagen but eating chicken cartilage, actually you absorb that.
Speaker 1:No shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was one study on that.
Speaker 1:Dude, I've been like ridiculed for the amount of chicken cartilage I eat. You often eat chicken wing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's actually no shit. Yeah, oh, yes. You actually like get some benefits of that.
Speaker 1:I think it was um type 2 collagen like uh, joint health just like the the caps at the end of the chicken bones, right, yeah, yeah, I knew I was doing something right, because um people like, oh, you're so unhealthy.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't know, yeah, I might actually be healthy. The other thing with a bone broth is like how it's prepared and stuff too. Yeah, it makes a huge difference in like the nutrients and stuff you absorb.
Speaker 1:How about with the nutrient labels? Like kettle and fire with like eight ounces getting you 20% of your protein? I don't know. Like know what, do you think?
Speaker 2:it's a shit ton of sodium it's like, there's like 60 of your daily value of sodium yeah, but you can't say 20 of your protein, because that's okay, 19 grams of protein yeah, that's more like it, because yeah matters your body weight and body weight yeah what you need so but really chicken cartilage yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, next time I get ridiculed for this.
Speaker 1:Yeah you know how many times I've been harassed by multiple people like dude that you're gonna eat, you're gonna, you're gonna rape that chicken bone like a man you must be hungry. Yeah, because you just strip that down to everything. Best part of it? Damn it, is it just us two? I don't know.
Speaker 2:There's got to be other people in the world that well, like the funny thing is, um, I was reading, like the chicken, chicken. Uh, when they use the chicken for the cartilage, they use the breast, their breast bone that big breast cartilage. They grind that down to create collagen.
Speaker 1:I love that. It's like my favorite part of a chicken. Or turkey is like that little xiphoid process.
Speaker 2:That stuff's great yeah, you know, like we have it in our post-op uh protocol. We recommend uh patients take collagen uh with the healing process, because and a couple turkey breasts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, couple turkey breasts. Yeah, it's like your xiphoid cartilage.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, because it's going to help out overall. It's going to help out overall. It's going to help out your healing process and get you hydrated as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a huge part.
Speaker 2:I think it plays a huge part in just hydrating yourself.
Speaker 1:Especially in a time of stress, because after surgery that is a high-st stress situation for your body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you don't get the blood flow to the appropriate areas because you have swelling in those areas that have been traumatized, so that swelling decreases the actual blood flow that you're getting yeah. So until that blood, until that swelling comes down, you're not going to get as much blood flow, because you're going to have all these People get swelling because of inflammation is just a natural way of the body to heal. Yeah, the initial inflammatory phase of healing is your inflammatory process?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we talked about hydrolyzed collagen. If you're going to, if you're going to take collagen, make sure it's hydrolyzed and if it's complex, together with vitamin C. Or eat an orange with your collagen, protein, pineapple juice, collagen, peptide coffee that you drink, or pour it into your orange juice. That could be a good combo to get it well absorbed.
Speaker 3:So, if I'm chewing on the bones, I give my dogs.
Speaker 1:Before I do that, I should take some vitamin C tablets.
Speaker 2:But if you're French and you have your cup of coffee pour your collagen powder smoke a cigarette and drink your orange juice.
Speaker 1:Wear orange, black and white striped shirt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's probably like dehydrating you from the caffeine.
Speaker 1:The sugar's doing you wrong, the smoking's doing you wrong, but you save so much energy from not shaving your armpits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going after the french market shaving your armpits or using deodorant or taking a shower.
Speaker 1:Yeah, coming from a couple times a week is good oh, there was a oh that that actually that's a great segue. There's a study, um, it was like showering regularly is not good for you. It like decreases like your natural, like body oils for your skin and stuff, yeah, which I totally agree with. But the other side of the argument is like did you not take a shower to decrease or increase the body oils in your skin? You just try not to smell like shit, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, that's, that's what I always try to discuss with my wife, because she likes to give the kids, but she does it more for the routine. But no, I don't know, does she do it for the routine or she thinks they need to be spotless Because I'm like no just let them get their own oil.
Speaker 1:In this case, just dip them in bleach for like a few seconds, yeah, but like Ashton Kutcher and what's her name? Mila.
Speaker 2:Kucic got in trouble because they said they don't bathe their kids until they smell.
Speaker 1:Dude Ashton Kutcher looks like he smells Like I love his work, but he looks like he smells like I love his work, yeah, but he looks like he smells yeah but I like, I think I I personally agree with like not washing until they smell. Yeah, either.
Speaker 2:Um, there's, there's really no reason to like no, I ended up with all all like skin issues I still have my teenage years because, yeah, our mom was like you gotta scrub that out, it's like, scrub that out.
Speaker 1:And then like, oh, maybe the flakes are because you're scratching my scalp so hard, and then put all the lotion no, no, add more soap.
Speaker 2:It wasn't lotion, it's video, it's just soap drying everything out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like no, no, um, hydration or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, I actually like it. I would I would take a mask if I was ever invited to go meet ashton kutcher. It's even his character in the 70s show. He definitely smells. Yeah, like I love what he does. I don't hate that he smells, it's alright it's alright to smell. It's easy coming from me, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just, but your daughter kind of plays that oh, yeah, she's starting to like showering, just cause she's just like, oh, this feels nice, yeah, but she's just like, oh, this feels nice, yeah, uh, but it's just like, eh, no, I showered yesterday. It's like, yeah, but did you?
Speaker 2:I kind of feel bad for my kids because I think our showers, our bath is kind of cold and like oh, I try to get shy. Oh, you got.
Speaker 1:Shy doing cold plunges. Well, he's pretty much doing cold, three-year-old cold plunges we don't fill the bathtub. No, but I just stick them in the freezer for a couple minutes.
Speaker 2:Nothing crazy, but he could come and take a steam shower, but he never wants to. He wants to go in the bathtub, but the bathtub, I think, is cold, but they're like in there so, and it's not like pam doesn't like them getting dirty, so it's not like there's warm water in the tub running, they're just, it's just empty oh god so yeah, so I'm like this is like I wouldn't want to take that shower.
Speaker 1:I'm like this is a villain's origin story. It's like this guy becomes Mr Glass. I know exactly why. It's because of his baths. Yeah, forced baths before you smell. Yeah, I actually kind of like agree with the baths when you smell.
Speaker 2:Well, we grew up in Iran, and in Iran you took showers every other day. You didn't do it every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:So it wasn't like a daily routine.
Speaker 1:And we were well off too. So like, if it's actually a cost restraint not just thinking Iran like place, like India, china if it's a cost restraint to not shower every day, you're going to save that water for something.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I went two years without using soap. Did I tell you that no?
Speaker 2:So you were just washing with water, water.
Speaker 1:There's no reason for soap. There's nothing natural about soap. There's no reason for soap. There's nothing natural about soap. God in the Old Testament is like thou shalt use Irish springs to smell zesty, fresh, like it's never a thing. There's no way soap's like that good for you. I don't know, I don't know. You're big on microbiomes. Microbiomes on your skin is something I don't have. Great skin it that experiment didn't go great like it didn't help my skin issues.
Speaker 2:The thing is nowadays you kind of need that antibacterial, like maybe in the early days you didn't, but like now like people carry all this crap.
Speaker 1:That you need to get off your skin. I don't know it matters your skin's gonna be able to fight that off. If you're, it matters what kind of shady cats you're like, hugging and stuff, Dude we're physicians, so it's a lot different, which is good. That gives us like a PowerPoint. Like our microbiome on our skin should be able to fight off everything, because we've encountered everything at the hospital.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why you need peptides to just like have a strong immune system. So no, you don't, you don't let your body rock it out like yeah, it's better than antibiotics.
Speaker 1:like just, I don't know that, yeah, but either way, I I did. I hate to say it, but I I did start using soap again. Sarah was just like so pissed off. Anytime I told people it's like you can't just tell people you don't use soap anymore I was like oh no, I feel really strongly about this, fuck soap.
Speaker 3:Like this is not just like okay.
Speaker 2:I just like you just can't tell people that you would put deodorant on yeah, so that doesn't make people that. But you would put deodorant on yeah, so that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was all natural stuff. That was kind of useless too. It's like Tom's from Maine, tom's from Maine. It's like rubbing eucalyptus on my armpits. I was actually better at manscaping then.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because, like, if you get rid of of the hair, you get rid of a lot of the smells yeah but there was like two days in a row where I like actually smelled myself like just doing normal stuff, and I was like I'm totally against the industrial soap complex but I'm willing to use soap again so what are your thoughts about?
Speaker 2:you know, like I started trying like the all-natural, like deodorants and stuff there's a good one, but like then going all the way towards like where they have like paper, like packet, like the whole things, like oh, like they smell great, but I just rub a gypsy on my armpit like once a week, yeah like the things smell great, but I'm like I get you have to push the thing up yourself. I'm like what are we in the 80s? And like I, I know, but it's saving on plastic.
Speaker 1:But dude, there's. There's so much stuff out there. Even at walgreens, where you don't expect all natural things, there's rows and rows of all natural stuff. So for me, because of my skin condition, I I just go for something that my skin really does not react to yeah so that's the route I take. Yeah, so I don't even care about the qualities, as long as like covers up scent for like a little bit of time yeah but it does like doesn't flare up my skin. That's what I go with I really like the Hume.
Speaker 2:I mean Whole Foods carries it. Now I bought it from the Vory clothing shop and then I was like, oh, this smells really good. I ordered it online.
Speaker 1:and then I was like, oh, walgreens carries it, I can't believe like I mean, we use it too, the ingredients in antiperspirants.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:We're really suffocating our sweat glands.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like you know what, Sorry guys, yeah, Shut the fuck up. I'm going to go around town not sweating Like with what Aluminum parabens.
Speaker 2:I wonder how, like because people talk about increased cancer, like how come we didn't see more people?
Speaker 1:with armpit cancer, but systemically it's got to do something. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Does it lead to more breast cancer. I get afraid, because I keep on putting my phone on my lap and I'm like oh, I thought, definitely gonna get.
Speaker 1:I thought you were saying about like putting gold bond on your yeah no, balls no yeah, do this. I don't know, I'm afraid of my phone, I'm sorry, my balls are smelly as shit like there's nothing chemical going close to there.
Speaker 2:I never powdered my, I don't either, yeah I was like I just never understood it, like like one of my chief residents would walk out and he had like you're just like you're gonna walk out, looking like that, like there's evidence on the outside.
Speaker 1:I know what are you doing? Like you got a shit pit in your crotch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like that's what you do to kids. I'm like what the hell are you doing to yourself?
Speaker 1:The stuff people, educated people do. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll never forget it. He always had powder down there, like walking around the hospital with powder it's floating around you.
Speaker 1:What's his name? From the peanuts Pigpen. It's like dude, you're the pigpen of baby powder. Stop that shit. We don't need to be inhaling that. Replace it with collagen powder. Yeah, collagen powder, like. Stop that shit. Like we don't need to be inhaling that, replace it with collagen powder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, collagen powder, that will topically grow.
Speaker 1:Collagen powder to gold bod, gold bod. So I sent you that article about the working out. Keep it at least four hours before your bedtime. Yeah, what do you think you didn't read?
Speaker 2:the paper. No, I did. Oh nice, I was actually like. I was actually like I'm like right on the edge because I get home and I'm like I got to work out.
Speaker 1:Really, I never work out at home. I mean after I get home and I'm like I got to work out. Really, I never work out at home. I I mean after I get home, I work out in the morning.
Speaker 2:I used to do it in the morning but, like, my son, sleeps in my room and all my workout equipment's there. So, um, especially now when I get home, I bought him his own little bench and little bike. So when I get home he's usually like hey, daddy, let's go work out, you know. Or if he, if I'm home early in the morning, I'll work out in the morning. But most of the time it's like, you know, I got to be at the hospital by seven 30. So, um, I so I'll get the workout in at nighttime, but I try to do it at like six o'clock and what time do you go to bed?
Speaker 1:10, 9?
Speaker 2:Usually 9, 9, 10 o'clock.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I haven't found it to affect my sleep when I was younger. That's the only time I worked out Like when I was in plastic surgery residency I could, and that's why it made it tough for me when I moved here to get into CrossFit because I used to work out at 9 pm. That was my CrossFit class that I used to make. In Arizona there's no 9 pm CrossFit classes. They were all like ending at 6, 7. So it made it tough to work out at that time.
Speaker 2:No, I like working out first thing in the morning. I think that's like the ideal situation and that's when I know I'm not going to work out in the afternoon. I'll just do the resistance bands and the bike in the morning, or I'll try to get the bike in at least in the morning and then at nighttime just do the you know tonal resistance training. I think it does affect because it increases your heart rate and you want to kind of calm all that down before going to bed. But my routines, usually you know, when my son goes to bed I lay on the my red light mat for at least half an hour 45 minutes and that thing makes me sweat it out and I think that routine kind of gets me into that deeper sleep phase.
Speaker 1:Well, the red light is almost. Uh, wait, the red light or the red light sauna.
Speaker 2:No, I'm on a red light mat that has Nair and Far Infrared lights and then it also has PMF in it and it's a grounding mat, so it has like a six in one, but I don't use the TENS unit on it. I did at the beginning for my lower back, but now I don't use it and I think that's made a huge difference and like inflammation, my back pain and everything, and I I think that's something that I'm gonna bring on with like post-op care, like the patients also like 300 bucks a night, I can come by throw some chicken bones out.
Speaker 1:Yeah and yeah, be your shaman. Yeah, be your witch doctor, you can eat chicken bones.
Speaker 2:The sleep you get after that, you can eat the chicken bones, oh yeah, for the collagen, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:So the study showed that exercise greater than four hours from sleep time. Less than four hours from sleep, no more than four hours from sleep time. Less than four hours from sleep, no more than four hours, oh, less than four hours reduce sleep quality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sleep quality.
Speaker 1:And this by the wearables that brand you're wearing right now. Yeah, which is awesome to see, because the coolest part about this I know I'm nerding out on data I was just like, oh man, they started starting off with 1.3 million subjects yeah like that, that is cool. Like that, like amount of data, like you can't like and I'm like very hopeful for, like what these wearable datas are yeah what these wearable data is going to show in the long run. But, like I was just like oh, that's awesome to start with.
Speaker 2:They just got to get better batteries for your phone. With all the hookups I got to Bluetooth to my phone, it runs out. I got to charge it fully like three times a day. You got to just plug your head in like the.
Speaker 1:Matrix once a night, You'll be fine. Plug your head in like the matrix once a night, you'll be fine, yeah, but but um, the the things that I saw, there wasn't that much of a difference between four to eight hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it also went by intensity of workout. Where I think intensity of workout went by, I'm pretty sure it went by heart rate. So like, if your heart rate hits 180, yeah, even if you're working out just as hard as somebody, that's really fit that their heart rate went up to 120 yeah your workout is going out as way more intense yeah and that kind of shows because, like those graphs, they showed the ones hitting max intensity, no matter which time length it was.
Speaker 1:it might not be statistically different but, like, if you look at the charts, it's like max intensity is always worse than medium intensity versus low intensity and I think that plays a stronger part where, like, if you work out regularly, it doesn't matter what time you work out. Yeah, I probably wouldn't work out within two hours of going to sleep yeah but like, yeah, four hours seems ideal at the most, but um, but that was, that was my takeaway.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you thought about that just like you know there's more and more studies and like a lot of things like where you don't need to be at these high intensity levels. You know it's not good for your overall health as long as, and like more and more things are shown to be. Like you know, if you're not active and moving all day long and being sedentary, you need these high activities to try to make up for being inactive for the rest of the day. But I think overall you just need low source of activity.
Speaker 1:Just regular. There were studies before that showed that low-intensity exercise what's it? Zone B or?
Speaker 2:Yeah, low intensity just correlates more with compliance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like, if you go and like just run your ass off and you hit like zone five or six or whatever the hell it is like max heart rate, the likelihood you're going to return to do that exercise again the next day, the day after, the day after, is lower and lower. Where, like just get your heart pumping and do it regularly, like do it once a day, not like, even if it's 10 minutes, 20 minutes, and then potentially like just just go from 10 minutes to 20 minutes, whether it's a bike ride, on a treadmill, even if it's walking, and then at that 20 minute mark it's just trying to come up with it's.
Speaker 1:It's not gonna you're not gonna be mr olympia doing this yeah but like you build up to 20 minutes and then do intervals yeah at that 20 minutes. So like warm up for three to five minutes and then one minute go really hard. One minute cool down, one minute hard and then you reduce that interval. Time. Yeah, I think that would be a really reasonable way for people to get like in really good, like, uh, cardiac fitness yeah, your vo2 max increase yeah, yeah, yeah exactly yeah, that's you know.
Speaker 2:Like even I use the carol bike, which you know, you do two 20 second sprints um in eight minutes, and you do that two or three times a week and that's better than running every day, uh for an hour, yeah, you know. So you know you're just pushing uh to a certain level only for you know, and that just builds up your resistance and goes down. That's ai generated yeah um, I I think you know there's different complexities and, like different people's bodies respond differently to different stressors Is HRV higher.
Speaker 1:for females it's heart rate variance.
Speaker 2:I think, I don't know. I thought it would be lower because they're higher stress. So it's supposed to be higher, it's going to be better for you. I'm not.
Speaker 1:What's a typical HRV for you? I'm not. What's a typical hrv for you for me? Sleep, yeah uh, horrible.
Speaker 2:20 it's no, it it's improved like 30, 45, because oh really, that's really good. Before the mine's like 16 to 20 before the eight sleep I was like I was like 15 to 20 um, and that's with my whoop, uh, but like well, that study we were talking about was from my aura ring actually, but that previous study we were talking about was from with the whoop yeah, um, but it improved like I thought.
Speaker 2:Know, last week I tried to set the temperatures colder because I saw, like you know, the first week I got it and I had it on colder settings, like my heart rate was like in the 60s and my HRVs were going 60s, 70s, nice. But now it's like it's not that, it's like 65 to 70, which it's still lower than what it used to be, Like, my resting was always 70 and above, but I don't know if that's more me working out more or more consistently.
Speaker 1:Either way, it's a good goal to have.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm doing the tonal workouts versus my 20-minute bursts of workouts I was doing before my 20 minute bursts of workouts, I was doing before. Um, whether it's that, um, or what if it's the eight?
Speaker 1:sleep that, but like my hrv is definitely improved. Um okay, since mine kind of sucks, I'm just trying to compare it to like what sarah gets, because what does she?
Speaker 2:get dude she's because you're supposed to be at 80 to 120. Really, yeah, yeah, that's gonna be healthy.
Speaker 1:Okay, that makes sense, yeah because I'm my resting heart rate's in the 70s. I'm lucky to get in the 60s some nights. Yeah, my hrv is like 20 yeah and one morning I got up I was like, wow, look at this good night of rest. Yeah, it's like resting heart rate like 55. Hrv is like 70. And Sarah's complaining to me about how bad her sleep was. I was accidentally under her side of the bed for the data, so I'm like no, mine's actually resting heart rate of 75, hrv of 20.
Speaker 1:I'm not at like resting heart rate of 75, HRV of 20. I'm not at like resting heart rate of 55.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought the females would have higher HRVs I'm not sure or lower HRVs, but I'm not definite.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, I was just asking Pam's heart rate's like in the 50s too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the female heart rate's like I don't know. Well, Pam's younger than me, so I it's said. That's what it was I got a theory.
Speaker 2:When it's, when it's, the blood is that cold, it doesn't need to be pumped as fast but it's also like you got to think muscle mass right, like lower muscle mass I I sarah probably has about similar muscle mass as me just well, you gotta put her on the in body and see who has more skeletal muscle mass I actually probably have more than her, but I weigh like 40 pounds more yeah so yeah, odds are.
Speaker 1:I've stacked the odds against you.
Speaker 2:All right, all right. We got to just get you on testosterone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You'll get better sleep. Your HRV will improve.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're going to do it Build more muscle. Going to test out the T. Going to test out the testamoylin growth hormone-releasing peptides. Going to test out GLP-1s? Yeah, and I got before pictures, so the after picture is going to come. Seriously, there's a huge difference compared to like, because I started this in January, yeah, when it was. Just I haven't been phenomenal with my diet, but I've, like, definitely improved my diet big time, but I've exercised regularly. Yeah, and that's like three to five times a week.
Speaker 2:Exercise in itself definitely changes the skin tone Like.
Speaker 1:I think oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Younger, more or less, and all that Like I feel like it's definitely made an improvement.
Speaker 1:I think so. It's it. It's definitely improves blood flow and lymphatic flow. Yeah, through your subcutaneous tissue in your skin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the more you move it's you know what's an impressive peptide that um doesn't get talked about much, but um pam just started taking it um because we're thinking of going through ivf again and it's you know, she's just trying oh yeah, you can't wait for that about some of the stuff I talk about, but like epithelon, she started taking epithelon.
Speaker 2:She actually like she's like she had such great sleep deep. She's like I've never slept like this in my life, um, that she's like she injected her mom two nights later. She's like you got to do this because her mom's got a lot of anxiety and she doesn't want to go to sleep. So epithalon is a pineal gland peptide, um, and it's known to like regulate your circadian rhythm and like your hormonal balances and stuff. So, um, yeah, she's been nicer to me, gets better sleep.
Speaker 3:So I think, overall, other than our um 15 month old crying in the middle of the night I think, um, yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I think it's definitely a good like stabilizer and, on top of it, like the russian studies on this stuff is crazy because they did studies 10 days of injections twice a year for two years and decreased mortality rate by 20 because it increases your telomerase length and it's great anti-aging and a lot of it has to do with regulating your circadian rhythm, where you're re-releasing the melatonin to go to sleep and stay asleep yeah, so that, yeah, the like comes back to like how strong like sleep is for, like your, your longevity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you you know, before, like this whole like biohacking thing and stuff took. I remember like listen to dave asprey and he's like I'll sleep when I die. And he used to say, like you only need three, when, when he was selling the bulletproof coffee, he's like you only need three to five hours of sleep, you don't need more than that. And now it's a total. Like everyone talks about sleep and how important and you're supposed to get seven to nine hours of sleep. I don't get anywhere close to nine, but like I usually range between six and seven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, try to get seven, that's. That's always the like. Get to bed by 9 30.
Speaker 2:Wake up by 5 30 I could usually go to bed by eight, but like then, I usually wake up in the middle of the night and I can't get back to sleep. That's the it's not even the middle of the night sometimes I wake up at like at 10 11 o'clock at night yeah or 1 am.
Speaker 1:1 am is the worst time to get up and not be able to fall asleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just like um, at the beginning, with the eight sleep, like I'm like I gotta get it back to those settings because like I was sleeping past seven and I'm like I didn't know how I was sleeping, because right now I wake up at five o'clock every like five, five thirties, like my body clock just wakes me up no matter what yeah, same here.
Speaker 1:I wake up before my 5.30 alarm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe I should move the clock back up to 9.30, the alarm clock on there Just don't be afraid to heat it back up by one, and just see how your body responds to it. Yeah, no, I heated it back up and I creeped up on the temps to kind of see how much.
Speaker 1:But like Arizona, weather's been nuts too yeah, it's like just been cold one night hot one night we went through like a hot spree. Sarah's like oh no, it's going to be hot for the rest of the year.
Speaker 2:I'm like yeah chances probably not, but if it does happen, I'm like when we hit may that's likely, but in april it's still questionable.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, March, when it's like 80s, 90s degrees. That's when she was starting to flip out. Like this is too hot. Yeah, Better than too cold.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. All right, that's it.
Speaker 1:That's a wrap. Music.