Age Proof
Age Proof: Unlock the Real Fountain of Youth
What if the secret to staying young isn’t a myth, but just hidden in plain sight?
Age Proof is where real science meets real-life results.
Each episode brings you inside conversations with doctors, biohackers, and longevity experts who are redefining what it means to grow older. Together, we unpack breakthrough treatments, debunk outdated health myths, and explore everything from anti-aging supplements to the newest regenerative therapies.
No trends, no shortcuts, just practical, science-backed tools to help you feel better, move better, and stay sharp as you age.
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What JohnJay Van Es Knows About Aging That You Don’t
Dive into the world of extreme biohacking with JohnJay Van Es, radio host and longevity enthusiast.
From his 3 AM morning ritual to cutting-edge treatments like peptides, NAD+ therapy, and stem cell procedures, JohnJay shares his journey to peak performance and extended healthspan.
Learn how sleep tracking and cold therapy transformed his recovery and mental clarity, and hear powerful stories of health breakthroughs through experimental therapies.
With expert hosts guiding the conversation, this episode balances science and curiosity to explore the future of personalized health and performance optimization.
Want to elevate your wellness? Press play and discover JohnJay’s top biohacks for a healthier, longer life.
So, John Jay, welcome to the pod. Thanks man. So can you introduce yourself?
Speaker 3:What welcome to the pod. Thanks, man. So can you introduce yourself? What other than how I can introduce you? My name is john jay. I host a radio show, um, and I'm totally into anti-aging and living as long as possible you have a whole routine when you wake up.
Speaker 1:I got a bunch of routines.
Speaker 3:I'm a I'm a routine freak or rituals. I was going to say I'm OCD, but I think it's more. I'm into these rituals that I like to do. You know, and I don't really have any a lot of medical science to back things up, I just do it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:But you guys are doctors, so I can't wait to pick your brains. Exactly this is going to be awesome.
Speaker 1:So, first thing, we're huge on sleep. Sleep's like the biggest thing, but your sleep schedule is structured for your life because your radio show, am radio show host you wake up really early and go to bed early, so what's?
Speaker 3:your pattern. I try to go to bed early, like tonight, I will not be going to bed early.
Speaker 1:But what's?
Speaker 3:early for you is like 7 pm. I try to go to bed between 7 and 8 pm if I can for the, for the.
Speaker 3:You know, I have three boys a 22 year old, a 21 year old, an 18 year old. When they were younger, I didn't go to bed till like 9 or 10 and I would get up at 3, and when I look back, the more you know. Sleep has been in the news a lot and everyone's been researching sleep right, the or rings, the whoops I got them both. It's like I really wish that I would have been focused on sleep years ago in my career, because I think you know, first of all, it affects your eating.
Speaker 4:You're eating carbs, you're you make bad decisions on lack of sleep and I like, even if you look at Dave Asprey's book, like I think I read when it was the keto diet or bulletproof diet he's like you sleep when you die, but now it's like you know, three, four years later, everyone talks about sleep.
Speaker 3:But even him Even him.
Speaker 1:Every biohacker talks about sleep, but even him every biohacker, I think sleep's a key component because, like, if, whenever you're in deep sleep or REM sleep, whenever you're dreaming there's some people that don't really dream much, but like, whenever you're dreaming, that's an active process. You're living through that scenario and then somehow comes to an abrupt stop, right, and you like wake up. But I think that's why like, sleeping is in like an active form of recovery or an active form of yourself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think sleep is incredible. I get, like you know, I do a radio show and I prep all day the day before the show yeah, um, and sometimes like if I gotta go to a phoenix suns game or there's a concert I gotta go to and I am up late, it affects my show the next day. But I could go to bed on a tuesday at 6, 30, if it ever happens, and get up at three and be fully rested without a show that's planned, and have a hell of a show, a great show, and it's all about the great quality of sleep. I see the difference. How do you prep for it? For my show or for sleep, for your sleep? Well, I try to go to bed.
Speaker 3:Here's an example my wife was out of town last week and I went to bed pretty much 7, 30, 8 o'clock every night, got a great night's sleep. She came back into town on Thursday. I had to pick her up at the airport. Her flight was at 9. Could have had an Uber, do it? Could have had whatever. She landed at 9. And I was like, oh my God, I want to be like a great husband. So I picked her up, we talked, I didn to, went to bed a reasonable time, but then Saturday we had to go to Tucson for a wedding. Didn't get bed till midnight, so it's like I can't catch up. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3:like I'm trying to keep falling behind the best way to get a good night's sleep is probably to not be married and have kids.
Speaker 1:I'm kidding no dogs, no cats, no animals.
Speaker 4:LeBronames.
Speaker 3:He sleep 18 hours a day right and he got the the hyperbaric chambers and he's sleeping in total darkness. He's cold plunging, he's cryo.
Speaker 4:So with sleep. So how's your diet, do you? When do you have your last meal, if your schedule is like that, my doctor a couple years ago put me on uh the uh intermittent fast.
Speaker 3:So I do an 18 hour fast. So my first meal of the day is around one and my last meal of the day is set for seven. But lately I've been trying to go five, yeah, and I sleep better. Yeah, I sleep better in my meals at five, like I try to, and that affects the whole family because we try to eat together as a family.
Speaker 4:Now we all want to eat earlier, so the earlier I eat, the better I sleep yeah, like my wife's a late eater and like she'll order like what uber eats or whatever at like eight o'clock at night or 8 30 at night and I'm like don't order anything for me, I'm not gonna eat, you know so you do the same thing, yeah, I I just like you know, I usually like try to finish eating by six, seven o'clock. You want like three, four hours before you go to bed right.
Speaker 3:Is that what you're gonna be around? Nine or ten?
Speaker 4:ten, um, yeah, nine or ten is usually prior to I usually, I usually pass out. I go to put my four-year-old son to sleep at like eight o'clock. I'll lay on a red light mat and I'll usually pass out for like an hour or so and then I'll wake up. I'll do a little bit of work and then go back to bed. It's usually 10 or 11 o'clock but. I find uh, usually around five.
Speaker 3:And do you get a? What's your sleep score?
Speaker 4:Um, usually eighties to nineties On the ORA ring. Yeah, but you get a ton of deep sleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's great. It's always over an hour and a half.
Speaker 4:I usually get an hour hour 10 minutes, hour 20. And that's one of the things I work on, because I find that my brain functions a lot better when we're in surgery. It definitely, you know, like I've fine-tuned my health and then it's like now I'm trying to increase my brain power and use as much of my brain.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you guys a story about jet lag. We went to Portugal last week, got back and I was just saying, like what are my sleep scores going to be? On the sleep eight? Just like six minutes of deep sleep, seven minutes of deep sleep. It was so whacked out I was waking up with like 10 hours of sleep, feeling tired, and I realized like my REM sleep and deep sleep was so like low. That's kind of why you have the eight sleep mattress.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we both do. Do you guys love it? Yeah, okay, so you got the eight sleep mattress.
Speaker 2:I don't, that's my of why you have the eight sleep mattress. Yeah, yeah, do you guys love it? Yeah, okay, so you got the eight sleep mattress.
Speaker 3:I don't, that was my. That's my next thing. Wait, so you have. I see you have an aura ring. You got the loop and the eight sleep. Yeah, what do you have? Apple watch, Apple watch. And do you guys compare and see which one's better? No, but you don't compare the three.
Speaker 4:I researched it, read reviews and everyone was raving about the Oura Ring. There's the Superhuman Ring that supposedly tells you when you're supposed to take in your caffeine and everything.
Speaker 1:And I'm also like.
Speaker 4:Oura Ring, I think, has a lot more funding than anything else. The Superhuman Ring. The only way I found out about it was some guy I met on the plane.
Speaker 3:He was but you have the Oura Ring. Yeah, I have the Oura Ring and the Whoop.
Speaker 4:So when you get up in the morning you look at both the Oura Ring's a lot easier to look at. I think the journaling with the Whoop is the reason I'm like.
Speaker 2:I don't want to write that.
Speaker 1:So, John, do you want to let me sell you on my thing.
Speaker 3:It's the Apple Watch watch, because I don't want people, I don't want to read their emails, I don't want to get distracted by a phone call. Yeah, but I have the same thing he does, I do the same thing except for the eight sleep. But the eight sleep also tells you how you sleep, so I compare the whoop and the aura ring every day. Yeah, and I'm a little on the fence, but I'm leaning more towards ordering. Do you have a better?
Speaker 4:mattress no, I don't for sure. Okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:so like going away from the wearables, the eight sleep is great for its cooling purposes and when you cool while you're going into deep sleep, it's really good. They have the AI functions where it adjusts the temperatures. I don't know how much that adds to it, but the fact that, like you're cooling on a water-circulated mattress cover, it adds to my deep sleep. I heard it's fantastic.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't have to turn up the air conditioner.
Speaker 3:What is your air conditioning at? It's 74. Check your mind Wookiee bars is 68.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because the mattress goes down to 55.
Speaker 2:Yeah so the mattress keeps you cool.
Speaker 4:Yeah, when I first started, I took it all the way down, but you'll wake up in the middle of the night freezing your ass.
Speaker 1:It gets so cold.
Speaker 4:I did that the first night too, my son's sleeping next to me and he's all curled up.
Speaker 3:It's so cold. So wait, what's your temperature of your arm?
Speaker 4:I set it to 65 or 67.
Speaker 3:You do yeah.
Speaker 4:I don't know the temperature, but it goes plus one, two Because it reads your body and it adjusts right, supposedly yeah and you can change it as how you feel, like if you're waking up and because it's too cold, like I would adjust it to warmer.
Speaker 3:Are you supposed to sleep naked? No, I would adjust it to warmer. Are you supposed to sleep naked? No, I think whatever you want.
Speaker 1:If you like to sleep naked? I think it would be best to sleep naked.
Speaker 4:Yeah, sometimes I feel like it almost gets too cold when you sleep naked.
Speaker 3:Oh, so it can read everything through your shirt or pajamas, but when you wake up, you have the O-ring on your finger, which I can only wear at night.
Speaker 4:If I wear it through the day, it's hard to like work out it's hard to do stuff.
Speaker 1:I, I, you know, I put it around the string on my, on my square. Geez, you were reaching down there. I was like, oh, you put it around your junk, yeah and my whoop.
Speaker 4:People think it's. I put it around my ankle and people think I'm coming on my ankle bracelet.
Speaker 3:So yeah, but do you look like you go? Okay, in my whoop I got an 87.
Speaker 4:I'll compare every once in a while. But like the eight sleep text me, my results and the Oura Ring, I always open up and look at.
Speaker 3:The whoop is a little too complicated to read, but I still do it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I do it, especially when I work out.
Speaker 1:We're going to get newsletters soon, like a weekly newsletter, and we're going to get newsletters soon, like a weekly newsletter, and you're going to delete that like a spam.
Speaker 3:You're going to be like ah, get the shit out of here.
Speaker 2:But you do red light too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do the red light bed every day for 20 minutes. I lay in a bed for 20 minutes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you have a cold plunge? I have a cold plunge in my backyard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you do red light, light, cold plunge. I have. I do in the morning I cold plunge and I hot tub in the morning at three o'clock in the morning, um, and I lift some weights and I stretch, I do all that stuff and I meditate a little bit okay and yeah.
Speaker 1:Can we just go into order of you which ones you do and how long?
Speaker 3:okay, I wake up at three and I journal I got a little journal. I I write, uh, all the things I'm grateful for, um, and then, and then I write down a few things that I hope happen today. I write those down and then I read I have this psychology book, which one of those things that every day has a motivational quote or story about sports and, tied into motivation, about kobe bryan or michael jordan. I read that. Then I go downstairs and, uh, if it's time for me to take my testosterone shot, I'll take a testosterone shot or I'll drink my electrolytes, and then I drink some water. And then I go upstairs to our gym and I do some stretches.
Speaker 3:I do some arm curls, then I do some lunges, then I do heavier arm curls, then I do some tricep pull-downs, then I do some lunges, they do heavier arm curls, that I do some tricep pull downs, then I do some bench press and then I do some shoulders and then I do like a couple of yoga poses on the ground, stretch out my body in the morning. And then I go downstairs, I go outside, I jump in my hot tub for about 10 minutes and I I say out loud all the things that I'm grateful for in my life, okay, and then I say a little prayer. Then I get in the cold plunge for about a minute one to three minutes in the morning Depends on where I am, because I have to be at work at a certain time. So I kind of look oh I ran too long here, I ran whatever. So I do a minute or two minutes in the cold plunge, then I get out and I then I do 10 push-ups, then I do a couple of stretches, more stretches, then I get dressed.
Speaker 3:I always kiss my wife goodbye and then I get in the car, I turn on my sauna, I get in the car, I drink some hydranated water and then I stop by Starbucks and then I, on the way to work, I again out loud say all the things I'm grateful for, and then I say this mantra I have that I host the number one radio show in America. I say that over and over and over again I'm the host of the number one show in America.
Speaker 3:I host the number one show in America. I am the number one show in America. I say that over and over again. Until I park, I take the stairs upstairs. I never take the elevator. I take the stairs upstairs and then it's show time.
Speaker 1:That's my morning routine and that's 6 am.
Speaker 3:No, that's at 3.
Speaker 1:3 am.
Speaker 3:That's 3 to 4.30 in the morning 3 to 4.30.
Speaker 1:So we're talking about like did all that at 4.30, and. I'm like it might be time to get up now.
Speaker 3:It's 90 minutes that I set aside just for me. I'm not, you know, I try to be a good dad, I try to be a good husband, but those 90 minutes, it's all about me.
Speaker 3:And it's straight routine, too Straight routine and I do the same thing on the weekends, but just a little bit later, 6 am or 7 am, and then later on in the day. Then I go work out. I get off the air around 10. I have whatever meetings I'm going to have between 10 and 10.30. I make sure I get to the gym at 11. I train from 11 to 12, 12 to 12.20. I'm in the red light bed. Then I go home.
Speaker 3:I might do a hyperbaric chamber, it all depends, but then I'll go home. I'll usually have some plain yogurt with a protein powder, a little creatine and some fruit, maybe watch a TV show or something, and then I get in the sauna for 20 minutes. Then out of the sauna I go and I jump back in the hot tub for a couple minutes. Then I go and I jump in the cold plunge for three minutes. Then I just started this new thing after that New thing. I started because of a guest in this podcast studio. I interviewed the certified health nut. Oh, he's great, and he was teaching me about Troy's awesome.
Speaker 3:He was telling me about, you know, getting your butthole sun. So now, after I get out of the shower, I go lay on the backyard and I lay in the backyard and I'm all.
Speaker 1:I got to make sure you flick your testicles once in a while. I put it out in the sun.
Speaker 3:I'm just waiting one day for my wife or the cleaning lady or my son's girlfriend to come in and I'm just going to be like, oh hey, what's up? Wink, wink, wink. But I've been doing that. I've done that probably since I met Certified Health Nut let's say I met him 15 days ago. I've done it maybe 13 times. I did it before I came here today.
Speaker 4:You could do it in the red light bud.
Speaker 3:I think you do.
Speaker 4:I pull my cheeks apart and eat that red in there Because Ben Greenfield says how he puts the red light, like one of the panels on his crotch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it makes sense. It's like an old-school tanning bed.
Speaker 1:I close it on me and then I pull the cheeks apart.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's like a panini press for your balls, that would be great.
Speaker 1:So that's my routine. Put a layer of bacon, that's my routine.
Speaker 3:Then at night I try to eat, like I said, by 5. I have a handful of vitamins I take. Then I take a little magnesium drink to help me go to sleep too. I don't know if you guys do any of that stuff too, the magnesium.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I take magnesium every day. I take magnesium every once in a while. When do?
Speaker 1:you take it At, I'd vary.
Speaker 4:I haven't found uh, I I take some in the morning, but more at night. I have the take in the morning, I don't think that'd make you tired. No it's just mixed in with the, I think it'll cycle through.
Speaker 1:I think. Having the appropriate amount of magnesium and then, like your bottle body's, able to circulate through like, be like. Okay, this is the time you need that magnesium. They have stored for you. I have this powder.
Speaker 3:This magnesium powder is like lemonade. I pour two of them in, mix it up, chug it, and then I try to go. Oh, I take a little melatonin before I go to bed, and then a little dhea, and then, and then multi-vitamins and a bunch of different stuff, and then I try to go to bed and I have a c. I have sleep apnea, so I wear a c-pap too, which is a bummer.
Speaker 1:Have you tried anything else other than the CPAP? Like I've seen those like nose things.
Speaker 3:I haven't tried that, but I know I got tested several times and it was one of those things that you can't like. My weights fluctuate. I've dropped down, it doesn't change. It's one of those things that I just I don't think there's a surgery I could take. There's this thing you can put in your body and you hit a button I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this inspires the nasal thing I think it's, inspired but like not everyone, Like, if you have bad sleep apnea, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the surgery is like soft palate work.
Speaker 3:So it works for some people.
Speaker 1:I think they're going to scrape it out up here or something, scrape it out up here or something. It's kind of up here because most of your nasal airway is blocked by that palate up top and especially when people get overweight, that's what gets chunkier and they start getting more and more apnea because it blocks the airway. That's not your case. You're fit, but it's probably still chunky, so it's blocking a certain amount of your is that a surgery you guys do?
Speaker 3:so I mean no, no, unfortunately can you go to youtube?
Speaker 1:give me breasts we'll put an implant in there now it's uh air, nose and throat ent docs do that like the um soft palate work specifically for snoring, but like combined with getting your sometimes it's maxillofacial surgeons, because they got to move your jaw forward. Yeah they they do it too. They kind of like just crossbreed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did get a oxygen oxygen tank and hooked it up to my CPAP.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because I'm trying to get 100 on my Oura Ring, which is almost impossible. Yeah, I've got 100 on the Whoop before.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I think they all change their algorithms. Yeah, it seems really hard to get 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I got this oxygen tank hooked up to my CPAP.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So it increases, so I'm hoping that I get better sleep.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the thing I, but it's tough I kind of love this. I got the mouth guard too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kind of love hearing that people are like this is what it's giving me a rating for. I got to get 100.
Speaker 3:I'm trying, but it does give a lot of people anxiety that like the aura, the aura ring anxiety, because people like they're like I didn't get enough sleep, or dude, the worst is when you feel rested and you wake up with the aura ring tells you you slept like shit. Yeah, have you had that before I woke?
Speaker 1:up like man I just written this would be great oh yeah great, and it's like you got a 67 you check, make sure your rings on the right way, let's make a cheap mattress cover that doesn't really measure anything, but there's an app and every time people log in it's like you had another great night of sleep. You're doing fantastic.
Speaker 3:And they're going to get up like this, like skipping out the door. We could call it placebo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, a placebo mattress.
Speaker 4:That's exactly it. Yeah, like I don't know, eight sleeps pretty, pretty close to aura ring and eight sleep are pretty close together. I think the whoop for sleep it's always, I think, a little off, because when I hit like 50 minutes of deep sleep on the aura ring, like I wake up if I slept three hours or 10 hours. I feel refreshed.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:But if it's less than that, I feel less recovered for sure.
Speaker 1:Just going back to when you were taking the GH receptor GLPs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Is that epimorlin or?
Speaker 1:whatever yeah and releasing growth hormones. Yeah, in releasing growth hormones, not just he said it, but like our NP said it and everybody that took it was just like oh, my sleep went through the roof and he was like getting up like Ultimate Hulk was like I only slept 4 hours but I feel like I'm good to go for like 8 weeks yeah.
Speaker 4:I do a lot of the peptides. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My wife actually she's like been telling everyone about epithalon, which is like for your pineal gland and it helps your circadian rhythm reset and you get incredible deep sleep with it. And she started doing it and she's like she got unbelievable sleep. She injected her mom. Her mom can't get good sleep, so she started injecting. She injected her mom a couple times because she told her she couldn't sleep well. Did it work? Yeah, it works.
Speaker 3:Does it work right away like that?
Speaker 4:night. What's it called?
Speaker 3:That night.
Speaker 1:Epitalin that night.
Speaker 3:Epitalin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've got to look that up, yeah so growth hormone releasing peptide. But epithalon is it epithalon's.
Speaker 4:Totally it's a pineal gland peptide. It was a lot of the peptides came out from the russians trying to make super human armies right and like this one.
Speaker 1:The pineal gland is like the nut sack of the brain.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right, yeah and it calcifies over time so you don't produce enough of that pineal like epithelium. So the epithelium kicks you back in your circadian rhythm, gets your hormones reset and what they studied it and like the russians studied it and it actually decreased mortality rate by like 30 percent, 20 or 30 percent. This one this one peptide taken and the one. What they did was 10 days on it and then done twice a year for two years. Showed decreased like cancer rates and that also.
Speaker 1:That also corresponds to certain data that's out there. That, uh, causality, not not causality, but like there's decreased growth hormone, increased death rate, like it just goes with time, just taking growth hormone taking, growth hormone, taking any type of hormone directly will down, shut down your life yeah, because all your body has any type of hormonal pathway, like your thyroid.
Speaker 4:Whatever your body has a pathway to where it's firing too much, it's gonna decrease not that it's bad or like you could take it like some people do need to take it and it works really well.
Speaker 1:Receptor amount yeah, like, like.
Speaker 3:So your body's like testosterone if you take testosterone, so you could take it.
Speaker 4:So what people do for anti-aging, they take low doses, right. So you're not going to get the side effect if you're doing like two units or three units a day. You don't want to be like the liver king who was spending I read like 12 to 15 000 a month doing growth hormone way too much, yeah. So stuff like that. You're going to get the swelling, the joint pains and all that. You're going to get cut up and look like a beast, but it's too much small amounts for anti-aging.
Speaker 3:So what other experiments have you done on yourself? Uh, I've tried every, everything in the book everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah off counter to like whatever you want to ask. This is the guy because you're like, all right, thanks for the medical advice, and you're like I know what doesn't work what about?
Speaker 3:where do you get your peptides?
Speaker 4:uh, I get them from compound pharmacies okay, so yeah, um. So yeah, I, I used to get peptide sciences. I didn't know much about peptides and then, like I started researching and then, and then I got certifications from two different courses to, you know, be able to prescribe the peptides and everything, and found, like all these like known like compound pharmacies, that they're actually better than peptide sciences oh yeah, yeah, because I took the cjc of pomerolone from peptide sciences and like once I started taking the compound pharmacy stuff, like my sleep like went through the roof.
Speaker 3:I get bpc 157 and tb 500 for peptide sciences. My son tours acl. Yeah, be giving it to him. Yeah, freaking, yeah, it's fine yeah, yeah, that's that stuff.
Speaker 4:You know it's. You know certain batches you get. There's a lot of people using their stuff. It's got to work. But like when I switched to the compound pharmacy CJC at Pomorlan, it was just like I started having vivid dreams and my deep sleep was a lot better, wow.
Speaker 3:So I wonder do you get it? Here Is the compound pharmacy here.
Speaker 4:I order. It's a Texas one that I order from.
Speaker 3:Can anybody order it? Yeah, Because it's what's funny about it.
Speaker 4:Well, I got to order it. Yeah, I got to prescribe it, because when I get it from Peptide Sciences.
Speaker 3:I don't get it yeah you don't need, but I like how it says not for human use.
Speaker 1:Yeah, research Peptide I'm going to inject my rabbit with this shit.
Speaker 4:There's a lot of black market sites out there and, the thing is, even the compound pharmacies are getting this stuff from China.
Speaker 2:Right, is Peptide Sciences getting it from China?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, from china, right, you know.
Speaker 4:and is peptide, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all out of china.
Speaker 3:Majority of the ingredients but the compound pharmacy.
Speaker 4:They make it there, yeah, yeah, so it gets you know they might be sourcing a third party they third party test in china, but then they'll get it and they have the fda, so it moves up the price of the product because the FDA has them do all this extra testing.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's even more clear. Peptide sciences, I feel is pretty reasonable for like 10, 20 vials yeah.
Speaker 4:So at the compound pharmacy it's almost at least twice to three times.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, that's why most people are telling you to get your cocaine from compound pharmacies. They test it for purity.
Speaker 2:That's good. So what the?
Speaker 4:experiments have you done? So? I've, I've tried every peptide, like one of the. One of the craziest stuff was like a few weeks ago, um I use this company in australia their their compound pharmacy. They're called level up. They have great products. I started giving it to all my patients post operatively. It's got like one of their things is a wolverine stack which has bpc and tb 500 in there to help with the healing process.
Speaker 4:So they had this test of fennel that they had and it was mixed with elba, which is like it's something that you release after a hard workout and so I took attack, yeah, or a hard so I I took this stuff and I was like I usually like overdo it, like even when I started the glp ones I started at the highest dose because I was like I've done all the diet pills like, even like rip fuel when it was just brought out, we were operating together and he was just like oh yeah, everybody talks about having to like taper up on the GLP ones.
Speaker 1:He's like I just took the max dose. He was just like he just looked at him. He's like I got to go.
Speaker 2:What does that mean?
Speaker 1:He's like I feel like shit, I'm going to come back at some point, oh my God he's just waiting to fucking puke his guts out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, projectile vomiting. I was, like you know, never had to titrate anything. I was like I didn't.
Speaker 1:He's like, yeah, max dose Me good, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3:So I knew what the side effects are, and then I went back down and started slowly back up to test out like how it was before we started prescribing it. Have you tried any of the sleeping weed, the legal marrow, thc stuff? I have not. No, I try. I've never done drugs in my life. Yeah, people tell me, try this, it's going to help you sleep. So people gave them to me two different kinds. I had the worst night of sleep on those things.
Speaker 4:Really it. I had the worst night of sleep on those things. Really it was terrible.
Speaker 3:And then I felt hungover the next day they probably don't have the right mix of the THC. It was from a place.
Speaker 1:It might be. I have a friend that was just like, oh okay, it takes THC gummies to sleep every night and he sleeps really well off of it.
Speaker 3:I was amped up, not, I could not sleep. Now I will take sometimes some cbd put underneath my tongue. A couple droplets, a couple, uh, what do you think it's called the freaking tinctures? A couple tinctures, yeah, and sometimes, when it's been a while, if I take it sometimes I I sleep pretty hard so the nice part is with, like the wearables, eight sleep like you tell how much like deep sleep you get.
Speaker 1:It decreases the amount of deep sleep I get so I yeah, cbd thc, I I try alcohol, alcohol alcohol is the worst.
Speaker 4:I don't alcohol like yeah. I stopped like yeah, if you want to fucking hulk, hogan, fucking boot.
Speaker 1:Kick your deep sleep in the chest, just fucking. Have one to three drinks, right, and if you have more it's even worse, right.
Speaker 3:So what's your favorite peptide?
Speaker 4:then. So tesamorelin, I like tesamorelin, ipamorelin, epithalon's up there.
Speaker 3:Tesamorelin, ipamorelin, are they some sort of? They're a human growth hormone? They're a growth hormone releasing yeah, Because I mean, you look pretty shredded. Do you know what your body fat is?
Speaker 4:Like 12%.
Speaker 3:No way.
Speaker 1:You no way. You've got to be less than that. We have the in-body. No, he's fat yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm over here with 25% I measured. Last time I measured, which was about three months ago, I was 12.9. Yeah, damn yeah, but I mean, since then I did have some cake.
Speaker 2:I have let myself go a little.
Speaker 3:But man, so do you take PPC-157 as well?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I cycle some of them, but like tesamorelin, ipamorelin I almost take like regularly.
Speaker 1:When you say regularly you cycle through it, though you do three months on, no I, you've been on it the whole time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I stay on it five to six days. And why are you lying? To me Like one to two days off you inject in your stomach. Yeah, I got to go to my thigh because my stomach I feel like it just creates welts, but you don't put that in your butt right. You could do it right in the thigh, you know. He puts other things in his butt. Like I also like MOTC. Motc gives you you.
Speaker 1:It's like a mitochondrial matzi, you were talking like yeah, yeah, where do you get that from?
Speaker 4:uh, the compound pharmacy that we use. Yeah, the texas ones, I don't know they got a little bit more freedom and what they do, because the florida ones they're a little more restricted in what they can you say that from experience, you feel it.
Speaker 3:You can tell like when you take one from florida you're taking peptide sciences or the one from texas you feel different on texas yeah and that's the best one you think yeah yeah, a little more expensive yeah, but it's I know sometimes sometimes a little cheaper.
Speaker 1:this is this is why, like I listen to him, People ask me. They're like you should do this, Like, oh, did you do it? And it's like no, but I have a trusted source.
Speaker 4:Yeah, one of the biggest ones that's going to come out is this SLU-PP332. It's like an estrogen receptor one. It's like a workout and a pill and it actually does get you pretty shredded. It's like you've had it's for real, yeah, yeah this is the one he was saying like he overdid it and he's like no, no, that's not the one, like it was mixed with that but you don't do that stuff I do some of it.
Speaker 1:Let him experiment. Oh yeah of it. Oh yeah, of course, it doesn't matter. Even if I want to, he's going to beat me to the punch. So he's going to be like ah, I did all this research and I took this for three months until you found out about it.
Speaker 3:I'm always listening to this stuff, Dude you guys got to go with me to Mexico and get some stem cells.
Speaker 4:Stem cells.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I saw you got stem cells. How do you feel times? Oh, yeah, yeah, I just my most recent was a week and a half ago. My wife's gone like four or five times is it iv or both? I did this most recent one. I did injections in my back and I did iv. I got 200 million in an iv and 80 million injected in my back where did you get it injected in your back, like kind of like?
Speaker 1:are they aim, aiming between?
Speaker 3:they were going like l5, l4, l3, right, okay, um and uh, you know, and I just believe in these stem cells a lot, but you hear the. It's funny having to talk. You guys are doctors, so I can't. I don't know the doctor terminology, but that shit's legit, it's called drugs it's.
Speaker 4:How does it help them with?
Speaker 3:your lower back pain, or well, it's only been a week and a half. Yeah, like I took a friend of mine there he was a 75-year-old guy and he owns a bunch of restaurants in Tucson and one day I saw him leaning over a table and I was like what's going on? He goes, oh, I've got to have back surgery. I'm doing it in a couple weeks because I have chronic back pain. I was like dude come, took him to Cancun. He got injections in his back and he got an IV and that night in that hotel I thought we were going to have to call 911. The dude tried to go to the bathroom. He was crawling on hands and knees to get to the bathroom. The next day this is two and a half years ago the next day he was absolutely fine, dancing around like a ballerina. Since then he's sold all his businesses that. He's been traveling the world and he has the best time ever. He's got no pain.
Speaker 4:Yeah, nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, same thing with another. I was telling this story earlier. A buddy of mine is 34 years old. He's had ulcer colitis and pancreatitis. Yeah, he got stem cells. He's been in the hospital like once a week since he was 16. He's been on med a year since he was 16. He's in the hospital. He got stem cells that day.
Speaker 1:He was fine it's been two years he hasn't taken.
Speaker 4:Yes, there's there there's a lot no, I I believe in it, it's just. Yeah, I haven't because I'm I'm starting to. I'm working with the company we're trying to work out doing exosomes iv and we're going to be one of the first places in Arizona Exosomes are great too, but the way he was explaining to me he's like no, exosomes are great, but the stem cells are like exosomes on steroids? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:You should just do it. Come with, I'm going in October again. Let's do it, let's go. I a couple published book chapters on stem cells. Oh yeah, do you really? Yeah, from like 15 years ago.
Speaker 1:oh really you were ahead of the game I tried to be, uh, mesenchymal stem cell yeah mesenchymal stem cells because they can turn into a lot of different uh supportive structures in your body, like whether it's bone tendon, uh even in, like, cardiac muscle. They showed some good research. I haven't I haven't looked at this research since writing that paper, but at that point, it's like 15 years ago, like read 200 papers on mesenchymal stem cells, it's it, it will work. It like. There's no way it shouldn't work. Right. You might not optimize it or make it different enough from like not doing something different, but if you have the right treatment approach like the right dosage of stem cells, growth factors, like there's and have the appropriate blood flow to that area, that that's gonna. That's gonna be primo like yeah.
Speaker 3:So my issue is that. So let's just say this is the sixth time I've done it. The first five times I did it I feel like I might have rushed back too quickly to sauna cold plunge, hot tub, like now. I've waited a week and a half and I just I didn't. I haven't cold plunge or hot tub yet, but I just sauna today for the first. I try to sauna every day.
Speaker 1:I I personally think like that shouldn't hinder it at all okay good, I, I don't know, I think cold plunge would.
Speaker 4:I think it'll like vasoconstrict and vasodilate.
Speaker 1:But the fact that you're doing it like every day to your like normal thing, I don't think it would hinder it from like how much the stem cells have what was the guy saying down there when you got it?
Speaker 4:what was he saying about, like, doing cold clenches and uh, yeah, he was like wait, there were.
Speaker 3:I think they told me to wait three days on on certain things and then a week or two weeks for something, and I just wanted to try something different. I've never done before I've always, I think.
Speaker 4:They told me to wait three days on certain things and then a week or two weeks for something, and I just wanted to try something different I've never done before. I've always done it within three days, Because I think you are going to have like the cold plunge could decrease.
Speaker 3:Just like you don't want a cold plunge after a workout, right? No, but the reason I immediately have to work out.
Speaker 4:I usually cold plunge maybe an hour. They say like, wait four hours.
Speaker 1:So the reason I think it shouldn't affect it is because that cold plunge it vasoconstricts.
Speaker 4:But if you look past an hour it doesn't have any effect. But it's looking at the rest of the systems in your body that are. You know this cold plunge is affecting, do you guys? Sauna and stuff too.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sauna's like the best thing for you.
Speaker 3:Right, see, the thing that we haven't talked about, but you just hinted on it, is I have calcium in my heart. Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm doing this, I just I have one more treatment left. I heard there's this thing called Plaque X. Have you heard of it?
Speaker 3:You get an IV you're supposed to get an IV twice a week for 10 weeks and the scientist I met said that it helps. He'd seen that it helps reverse plaque, which I know is very hard to do. So I was like I did it. So I did it. You have to treat it like chemo, like you don't miss an appointment. So I did 10 weeks. Then I went and got the heart scan and it was the first time in I don't know how many years there was no growth of my plaque. So I immediately did it again. My last treatment is friday and then I did the stem cells. So I'm hoping to see some sort of yeah let me know.
Speaker 4:Let me know do you think the iv stem cells helped I? Do I think everything like you said, it's just yeah I was wondering if I was going to ask you if you think, like the iv exosomes, have reversed any of that.
Speaker 3:I do um, I, I, you guys gotta meet my doctor. You guys would love her. Um, I gotta ask her because she, when she, the place I work out at, has um, it's my doctor's office, right, so she's in there all the time. There's a couple doctors there, nurses and stuff. Then there's a gym there, yeah, then there's the, the red light.
Speaker 1:Someone waits in his office.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah and she's amazing and she'll be like I hey, we got your heart scan back and I don't remember. I just know that she smiled and said it was good. I don't remember that stuff, you know yeah have you guys met her Dr. Bordinco.
Speaker 4:No, I was about to buy that building.
Speaker 3:Oh, you were.
Speaker 4:To do a surgery center there. Yeah yeah, she was already. She was a tenant there and I knew that. No, she has a great setup.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the dude upstairs sold it, admirer. No, the doctor. Oh my God, I want to think of his name.
Speaker 4:The guy never sold it. The landlord's still there. He's asking a ridiculous amount now.
Speaker 3:But there was a plastic surgeon up there. Yeah, admir, yeah, admire. That's his first name or last name anthony admire. No, it's another guy, tell me his name, come on another guy.
Speaker 4:No, I'm telling you, that's what it. He sold it to honor health sovereign yeah, yeah well then, who was his partner? He was. He was partnered up with a bunch of anesthesiologists. Dave Hecht was there.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, I'm going to tell you. When I tell you this guy's name, it's not. He just messaged me today, so I know that I know they sold it because he was all bummed out. He must be one of the guy's partners or something. Yeah, hold on, hold on. Let me find it. Hold on, hold. But uh, she also has hyperbaric chambers in there what? Do you think of hyperbaric?
Speaker 4:yeah, we have one in our office. We do use it like crazy like the real one yeah like. Well, no, we have, we have which. We have, like the michael jackson one okay like the one, michael jackson has a neverland ranch like it's not like a formal wound care one.
Speaker 1:That's the one we're getting one.
Speaker 4:We're getting one for the next place, but you can do wound yeah, so ours goes up to two atmospheres, okay, and it gives you the oxygen. So the medical grade one you're going to need, like someone that's trained in hyperbarics, right, and it has possibility of blowing up, yeah, you heard the story.
Speaker 1:That's what scared me. I was like, oh my God that you heard the story about. That's what scared me. I was like, oh my God.
Speaker 4:Hobgood Hobgood. Yeah, he's not a partner though. Oh, he's not. No, he's not.
Speaker 3:I thought he was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he does cases there. Yes, facial plastic surgery.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he's good.
Speaker 4:He's always got people down there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's who it is.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so we have. We have a hard shell that goes up to two atmospheres. That's what LeBron has a hard shell.
Speaker 3:I almost got one of those and then I found out about this one, but you're getting some hard shells.
Speaker 4:Just come by our clinic we got you covered, so we're going to get a four-person one that still goes up to two atmospheres. That's all we need for wound care, our plastic surgery, post-op patients, anti-aging. Like for brain health, you actually only need to go up to 1.3 to 1.5 atmospheres, and going higher than that's actually could be detrimental so yeah, so that's why I'm like there's no need for us to have one that goes to four atmospheres.
Speaker 4:We're not treating patients that have the bends or, you know, necrotizing fasciitis like the flesh eating disease, and stuff that you know they need to go to the hospital for, so there's no need for us to have something that goes to higher atmospheres and like we can get plenty of all the benefits we need for our patients.
Speaker 1:What's that four seater going up to? Is that still going to 2.5?
Speaker 4:It's two atmospheres. I think one of them might go up to 2.5.
Speaker 3:Do you guys do that NAD?
Speaker 4:Yeah, we do NAD nasal spray what? Yeah, that's my favorite. What brand is it? Where did?
Speaker 1:I get that Compound Farm. Call us, we got you. I want the name. Call us, we got you. Yeah, does it burn.
Speaker 4:No it doesn't it's good.
Speaker 3:So I was like you know, I try everything and like I did the NAD IV, you get energy that day, but like it goes away, I don't think it's bucks yeah, I was doing the ivs, um, and you know, I guess originally was for, like you know, heroin addicts to get to eight hours, so I was doing it an hour and then I was doing I got down to 25 minutes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but the terrible stomach pain I have yeah, you get heartburn, you get like this terrible heart.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was doing like a thousand milligrams, yeah, yeah and then I saw that david sinclair guy you know the guy in harvard. Yeah, he was doing a push of 1500. And it's like your flesh is coming off your arm when he's doing it. So now I got it down to an injection I don't know how much, and I inject myself once a week with the nap. Yeah, and I'll feel it. You know, I told you I walk the stairs every day when I give myself an injection. I don't really feel it until maybe 30 minutes later I'm at work, going up the stairs and like I gotta chill for a second. But the nasal spray, that's fascinating yeah.
Speaker 4:So a lot of people, like you know they say that ivs don't work, the nad doesn't get into your cells. Now they have nicotinamide riboside that's supposed to be better iv, um and. But like there's like two different sides for all of it. Like some people believe in the daily sub-Q injections or like the weekly sub-Q injections. They they do do some difference and help with people with different issues. So the nasal spray I was like all right, let me try this. And I felt like I was operating and we do microsurgery. It's like very meticulous, we're sewing together like one millimeter vessels. And I was like I told him I'm like I don't know if it's this stuff, it's, you got to try it. I'm like tell me if this NAD, if this nasal spray, really works. And like, because you know I try to superpower my brain and like I was like this I just feel like you know you can't tell you're functioning at a different level and then you finish the day and you're like shit.
Speaker 2:I performed yeah or after yeah, so did you try it yeah, and he tried it.
Speaker 4:He's like no, this isn't placebo.
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, and then I overdid it. I lost my sense of like taste for a certain taste like the. The good part is the. The sense I lost was extreme sweets. So now, like I, I'm just like looking at kit kat bars and my carrot man is it once a day? Yeah, you can do it more than that you can use it as much as you want, Like I went. I did, like when I blew out my taste buds.
Speaker 3:That was like six sprays a day, but like but does it also do the whole Afrin thing too? Cleans up the nasal passages.
Speaker 1:Not quite, but kind of Like gives you the feeling of it without doing that.
Speaker 3:Dude, I got to do a day where I like hang out with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do whatever you guys do and not like sit in the back in surgery.
Speaker 3:Come on by as long as you're willing to wear a surgery mask. Sure Wait so you guys are in Tatum and Shea. You're right where that Whole Foods is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right in there, right behind that, yeah, where two brothers work right next to the move it yeah they moved it up north. They went up to.
Speaker 3:Tatum To the mall yeah. Where the mall used to be, so right there there used to be, there was an Orange Theory there, and there's that.
Speaker 1:Chinese restaurant.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in that center, right behind it.
Speaker 1:Behind it, right behind it, there's sweets amount away from diarrhea.
Speaker 3:That is fascinating. You guys are fascinating, god I. It's like to meet somebody else that experiments and everything, but yet you have a medical degree. I do not, I'm just a fan.
Speaker 1:And it tells you you're on the right path.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like I'm on the right path with the stuff you're doing.
Speaker 1:If there's something that people don't tell you it's going to kill you. Like if you're doing If there's something that people don't tell you it's going to kill you. Like if you're going to step out like, oh, I'm John Jay, I run like the top morning show, I'm just going to smoke cigarettes because it's good for me. It's like, okay, let's see how that goes. But like you're willing to try out different things and be like, oh, different things, yeah. And be like oh, this makes me feel good. Like smoking a cigarette I don't know gives me like 10 seconds of pleasure and then I'm like I gotta smoke another cigarette my life.
Speaker 4:Someone was telling me so, oh, someone was telling me, like the one of the lymphatic massage people that we send the patients was telling them that what nicotine like three milligrams of nicotine, like three milligrams of nicotine a day will cure COVID.
Speaker 3:Geoblastoma.
Speaker 2:Oh, covid no dude, I heard that my mother died of geoblastoma.
Speaker 3:How old was?
Speaker 1:your mom 66. That is such a horrible disease. Horrible Because it's diagnosed and end of the road within like six months.
Speaker 3:Right, it was 18 months. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:My sister sent me. Right, it was 18 months. It's crazy, my sister sent me these videos.
Speaker 3:Sorry to hear that I was tough, thanks. But the woman was, or this person, saying on this video that during COVID they did all these tests and they gave people glioblastomas and they got rid of it with nicotine. And I was like, oh damn, I wish I would have known that. We were dude. Dude, we were like we, my uncles, read something about the, the, the venom of the blue scorpion in cuba, can cure. So they went, flew down to cuba black market and got this venom. My mom was inhaling it and doing all this crazy stuff so.
Speaker 1:So it didn't work. Well, it lasted. It doesn't work, but there's. I worked at a Harvard transplant lab and we were doing different things to get a protocol where we get a primate, we get a pig kidney to live in a primate for a while, and there's all these things to decrease inflammation, whatever. One of the things is Cobra Venom Serum and there's all these things to decrease inflammation, whatever. One of the things is Cobra Venom Serum and that was given because it just like legit, shuts down all your, like, any of your inflammatory cells, whatever it is, whatever you have, it's like bye-bye, good night, like this just shuts it down for 12 hours. So it's. Cobra venom serum was one of the processes and I know they gave, uh, a xeno organ to somebody, like two years ago.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm sure that's part of the, though it can, because it shuts down the coagulation system, because the coagulation system is tightly, so if you're in a bubble, it won't Like, you won't Dude you're going to be fucked up either way.
Speaker 4:You're Like when you're talking about, I'll stick to rapamycin. Yeah, when you're.
Speaker 3:We gave rapamycin too, so so like is rapamycin, the thing that that dude that was going to live forever just stopped taking. You know that guy Brian Johnson, yeah, yeah, yeah, he just in his documentary he's taking rapamycin, oh well he was taking it at like excessive doses, but then he came out he was taking it and keeping the thing is I take it once a week.
Speaker 1:The thing I think about Brian Johnson he's going to give himself one of the worst uncurable versions of cancer that nobody's ever seen and it will never ever be seen outside of.
Speaker 3:Brian Johnson. Oh, he's giving it because of what he's done. He's left himself open to this. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Or he might live to be like 355 years old, and I'll be wrong.
Speaker 4:It doesn't seem like he enjoys life. It's just all about like living longer, but it's almost like having a disease that you have no cure for. His disease is aging and like he's trying to.
Speaker 3:Why extend your life, but if you're also not going to live your life? So what rapamycin is what he was taking. Then he announced after his documentary came out that he stopped.
Speaker 4:He was taking doses like almost every day because he was trying to keep it at a certain that's what you give for, like kidney transplant patients.
Speaker 1:Like rapamycin they're taking it daily.
Speaker 4:So the anti-aging way to take it is you take it once a week a low dose, so it's given at much higher doses for anti-rejection.
Speaker 3:So you take it with just a pill. Yeah, and what's it do for you?
Speaker 4:You won't feel anything, but it's you know, doing autophagy, like what you get from fasting.
Speaker 1:A lot of things, though, is on your immune system, cleaning up your senescent or dead cells.
Speaker 2:It's on your immune system.
Speaker 1:It's like your T helper cells. Majority are responsive T cells. Rapamycin like.
Speaker 3:Your senescent cells. That's so I forgot to tell you guys. So I do stem cells, yeah, but then I do NK cells too, yeah, those natural killer cells, yeah those suckers Right.
Speaker 3:Those natural killer cells, those suckers. So they take my blood here, they take like 26 vials, they send it to this clinic in Irvine and then they duplicate my cells. So they got like 4 billion NK cells. So then they fly it. Somebody goes and picks it up, they fly it to Cancun or Cabo. Last time I think it was Cancun, I did in October and then I had so many that they gave me $2 billion and then if.
Speaker 1:I'm you know you're the doctor, they give it to your.
Speaker 3:IV, an IV, and it, like you know, then they have a big monitor up and they've showed video of these freaking NK cells like Pac-Man.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Just eating cancer, yeah, like, how do you feel after that? I feel the same, nothing, I don't feel. I I don't feel. I think my problem is I get such little sleep and I operate on no sleep that I think that's kind of what's helping me. Yeah, you know, but uh, but I know it's doing stuff. That was another thing about the heart thing, cause I had done NK, yeah, nk and stem cells. So I'm due for NK in October. That's the next time I go for the rest of my NK cells 2 billion.
Speaker 1:I would say not to do that, why I don't think it's the NK. Yeah, I don't think it's given you anything.
Speaker 3:But it's eaten, whatever it is. Yeah, I can tell you this, I'm never sick Dude, any of those.
Speaker 1:you're never going to be sick without that either you know what I want to do Skip that, and if you get sick, call me and be like oh I suck, I should have told you to do the NK cells, but why?
Speaker 3:do you?
Speaker 1:think NK cells don't work. I think it's very temporary and it's at that point where it's injected, like you see it eating up like whatever it needs to. But that's at the injection point. Nk cells, like just look at NK cell lifespan.
Speaker 4:Because are they just drawn out of your system?
Speaker 1:No, like NK cells don't live beyond I. Are they just drawn out of your system? No, like NK, cells don't live beyond. I haven't looked at this for decades now, but NK cells don't. Natural killer cells don't live for more than like a few days maybe seven days at most.
Speaker 3:Don't they wake up the other cells?
Speaker 1:No, they would if it's a site of inflammation or a site of inflammation or a site of actual damage where you technically got them to. Theoretically it would, but your body should be able to find that itself, and I don't think an exogenous dose of NK cells will teach your body's immunity to like see that We'll get this.
Speaker 3:There's a lady that I know that goes to Benacer. She's 89 years old and when she started going there she's in a wheelchair with an oxygen tank. She does hyperbaric every day. She's got stage four bone cancer right and and breast cancer. She's 89. She gets NK cells every three months, every three months, every three months and she just bought a porsche like she's completely like. It's crazy. Like I. My aunt got bone cancer after this woman did. My aunt died and this woman is still rocking, like hasn't changed and she says it's the nk and hyperbaric so.
Speaker 1:So in that, in that model I could see it like being a thing, because it's active stage four cancer, it's likely breast cancer metastasized or bone right and your whole body is out of whack before you because you have immune systems already.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have this metastatic cancer in your body. So if you infuse nk cells in that scene, it fights the cancer itself and also puts your immune system in balance. More so, it's not burning through all this fuel where, like you're you're like 70 years old and 80 years old, 90 years old you need all that energy to like, just live day to day, right? So like this actually ends up adding like five years, 10 years, to your lifespan, right?
Speaker 3:No, she's doing amazing, this woman. But I was thinking like for me, let's say you know, you don't know what's growing in you right now. But I was thinking like for me, let's say you know, you don't know what's growing in you right now, yeah, so I go get it. Kills whatever's growing. I'm like him.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 3:He's just taking stuff. I'm taking it. Mk sells his kill.
Speaker 1:There's no doubt.
Speaker 3:I'm taking him with me.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say there's no downside.
Speaker 1:You're going to hell. No, I am going to hell In a few religions. I'm going to heaven in a couple other religions, just so you know I'm devout on that. But no, it's. There's Some things that are working that you guys are doing that I'm just skeptical of. The only thing is to add the benefits with the side effects. The things you guys are talking about is minimum side effects, true.
Speaker 3:That's like with stem cells. The side effects are it doesn't work or it works. Yeah, that's like with stem cells. Yeah, side effects are it doesn't work or it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's nothing Hypothetical problems. Stem cells can lead to cancer.
Speaker 3:If you get the bad like these stem cells.
Speaker 1:I'll send you these about. No, it's beyond, yeah, yeah, it would be freaking crazy to give you that clone of that cell that is going to cause cancer.
Speaker 4:The thing I do want to try is so there's these guys doing. I think it's exosomes and ultrasound like so they said he wants it.
Speaker 4:He says he wants to try, so this is going to be done tomorrow tune in with ultrasound they can guide where the exosomes go, because you get these exosomes but like the exosomes you get, it's still like, even when they say 20 billion or whatever, like your body has like trillions and trillions and it doesn't really, you know, for anything to take that much effect on you. It's not quite enough so, especially for brain function and stuff. Not quite enough so, especially for brain function and stuff. So these guys are using an ultrasound to kind of make the vessels more sticky for the exosomes.
Speaker 3:That's what they. When I got my stem cells last week in my back, they used ultrasound to guide.
Speaker 4:You could watch it, yeah, but this actually is a different type of ultrasound that actually, like, makes the vessels stickier for the exosomes, so the exosomes have more effect on the brain itself. So it's like an ultrasound guided, like it's not actually injecting it into the brain you're getting an iv but it's making the vessels more sticky.
Speaker 3:So the brain specifically, yes, brain specifically. Yeah, I need to get the nasal spray. I need to get the peptides. I need to get the brain function, yeah. So how, how old were you when you realized you need to get the nasal spray? I'll text you. I need to get the peptides.
Speaker 4:I need to get the brain function, yeah.
Speaker 1:So how old were you when you realized you need to go into radio because of your voice? To radio, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3:I don't think I have a radio voice. I think maybe it's just kind of evolved. I wanted to be radio my whole life, since I was a kid.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That's all I ever wanted. Did you train your voice to be that way? And maybe it's evolved that way, but not on purpose. What about?
Speaker 1:you. You guys are all doctors, both of you doctors, and your brothers are doctors. Yeah, it was all by mistake. We say it kind of was he did it. I was a straight c student and he was like god, just try med school, you might like it. I was like okay where'd you go? To med school. Caribbean really, yeah, we all went to the Caribbean, yeah yeah wow.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's why I say it's by mistake. I thought I was going to do MMA or play football he was trying because at the time there was an.
Speaker 3:XFL so.
Speaker 4:I was just training to go play football where'd you? Grow up in the east coast of Rhode Island. Rhode Island how'd you get to Phoenix? I came here to do general surgery training.
Speaker 3:Are you the oldest one? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So you came here to do general surgery and I did general surgery at County and then I went to New York and did plastics and then I met my wife here and I loved it in Arizona and I hated the East Coast ever since I was 18. I'm like I'm never coming back.
Speaker 3:But you guys have two more brothers.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they 18. I'm like.
Speaker 4:I'm never coming back. You guys have two more brothers, yeah, and are they moved here too, one of them? One is moved here, one of them is a neurosurgeon.
Speaker 1:He's the slow one. He's still practicing in Rhode Island.
Speaker 3:Oh, your parents. You moved them here, I moved them here.
Speaker 4:That's awesome.
Speaker 3:You see them a lot.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because they take care of my kids like twice a week.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's great.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah Do you watch their health too? I do, we try, yeah, I try. Like my mom is so anti-medicine, oh geez. Like she stopped taking her thyroid medication and she gets crazy. And I'm like, yeah, you got to get back on your thyroid medication. I'm like your hair looks thinner. Yeah, you got to get back on your thyroid medication. I'm like your hair looks thinner. I'm like it's because you like got to take your thyroid. She's like, oh, I don't need it, I feel okay. I'm like, no, you, you need it, you know. And like she had trigger finger and I do hand surgery and I was telling her I'm like I can give you a steroid shot. Come and get a, get a shot. She, no, no. And then she's like you know what my primary care physician said? Maybe I should get an mri before doing anything. I'm like I'm the hand surgeon, but you want to go and listen?
Speaker 3:to your pcp. I'm like go ahead, just don't why would you even have a primary care? Would you just come to you guys?
Speaker 4:yeah, it's her she tells me to take my kids to the pediatrician, because we don't know what a pediatrician oh my god, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1:And then ruse has to tell her it's like I have a brother who's 10 times better doctor than me my dad, my dad's, my dad's.
Speaker 4:A health freak though he. He walks like 10 miles a day. Oh that's awesome yeah even during the summertime he'll wake up early, go walking. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't stop walking.
Speaker 1:He's nuts, but yeah, he was by yesterday and, not being a good son that I am, I'm playing FIFA because I'm trying to sneak a game or two in before Sarah gets home and I am ranked in the top 1,000intendo switch, so I'm trying to I'm trying to maintain that status and like parents are hanging around the house because they watch ari, he, he just got a cochlear implant so he's starting to hear things a little better, but he just goes like that's, that's really good for what you do in surgery.
Speaker 2:I'm like I want to say yes to not disappoint you, but maybe, maybe not but he, he's always had a wise thing to say.
Speaker 4:Like he doesn't talk much, but he says wise things, and that that's why, like I turned to medicine, I was like you know, and I saw the brochure for the place in the Caribbean. It was on a golf course and you saw the beach and I was like, oh, I'm going there.
Speaker 2:Where in the?
Speaker 4:Caribbean.
Speaker 3:Like what city?
Speaker 4:I was in St Martin.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow we went to Antigua. So, two brothers went to St Martin.
Speaker 4:Two brothers went to Antigua. That's so cool. Yeah, it was. You know, like when we, when you get there, it's like you got. Well, I taught myself. I'm like I flew all the way out here, I gotta get shit done. So, like from there, like I was always at the top and like people always thought I was cheating, I'm like, dude, I'm teaching you the anatomy and I've never taken anatomy before.
Speaker 1:I'm just studying this shit and teaching and he's so proud of that school, he bought scrubs with that school's color.
Speaker 4:School color, yeah, but like my other brothers him and the other middle one that's a neurosurgeon they're failing so hard. My mom's like I don't know what to do with these guys. They don't listen. I'm like hey, send them down here. There's a bunch of idiots that are trying to become physicians. I think once they see them they'll think differently.
Speaker 1:So they came down a couple times and they changed their mind. My other brother I remember that talk ruse was like look at these guys, look at this guy. He can't talk to a human being, he's gonna be a doctor. He's, he gets one of the highest scores. You guys don't think you can do this and this guy's gonna be a doctor. Whatever. If you don't want to do it, you don't want to do it, but you're going to be less than this guy but those things are.
Speaker 4:It is a money machine. They're like, you know, like that first year, 30 percent of the students drop out. It's like it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Within like two months, all that my first year like my school wasn't as well developed as his school. The first day we showed up, it's about 120 students in your class and then, like three weeks later, we're just like, oh yeah. It's like hey, what happened to this guy? We've gone out with him like every night and he just like ghosted, just like disappeared, and that happened to like two, three people. It it's like, oh yeah, 20 people just disappeared.
Speaker 3:So how long ago did you guys move to Phoenix?
Speaker 4:I moved in 2007.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, I moved in 2020.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow, wow, you like it.
Speaker 1:I love it. Oh good, yeah, it's my kind of place. Yeah, yeah, I love it here too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's my kind of place.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I love it here too. Yeah, it's chill. I went back to the East Coast for plastics.
Speaker 1:I also get used to whatever climate there is. Give me six hours, I'll get used to it, are you both?
Speaker 3:in plastics? Yeah, and you both work together.
Speaker 4:Yep, yeah, so some of the breast reconstructions we do together like we're in the operator room at the same time, because they're longer procedures. They're six to ten hours.
Speaker 1:Teach them a.
Speaker 4:Thing or two, and what's the name of the practice? Elite plastic surgery, leap, elite, oh elite elite, yeah, not par elite elite.
Speaker 1:We're gonna change it to tarabi brothers.
Speaker 4:But we're like all right if, if we grow it and like that. That was the main thing we can't have people.
Speaker 1:I'm also trademarking great scottsdale boobs for our before and afters so do you have boobs on your instagram? Before and after we do that's awesome we got to get more on there. I will be next like six months ruse I'm all down.
Speaker 4:I definitely want to come try some stuff, yeah yeah, yeah, one of the things that for sleep and my my wife thinks I always have like some sort of headpiece that I wear to go to sleep you do something that helps me meditate or fall asleep fast and like, I gave him one of mine and I don't think he ever uses it- I did the. Brainwash, the Brain Tap.
Speaker 3:Oh, the Brain Tap. I've seen that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I love it. Like, especially like some nights, like I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I'm like, especially when you hit that deep sleep within the first two hours can't go to bed, I can't go back to sleep, and it's like two, three in the morning I'll put it on and, like you, put it on one of the deep sleep things and you're like out. Yeah, I wanted, I haven't tried that either.
Speaker 4:But I remember that thing, I've seen it because it helps you with some breath work and then it's got vibration and frequencies and it works pretty well.
Speaker 1:I liked it, I a couple times. It's just having something around your head.
Speaker 3:I'm already wearing a friggin'. Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 1:CPAP is as bad as you can get, yeah.
Speaker 3:Not only that, but I have the mouth guard in, I got earplugs in and I put this like ski mask on this really thin ski mask. So, because the CPAP leaves marks right here, oh yeah, oh yeah. So I put the mask on, it has a little hole here and then I just put it there's your business idea to like break in the headset right, like I thought about apple shit is there, there's your, there's.
Speaker 1:30 of the population suffers from this.
Speaker 3:Make them more comfortable wearing the c-pad. I pitch it to the, the husband of the woman that owns spanx. Yeah, I was like, hey, man, tell your wife this, I go and I don't even need a cut, take it. 8 million people got sleep apnea. Go. Yeah, never heard of it.