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Age Proof: Unlock the Real Fountain of Youth
What if the secret to staying young isn’t a myth, but just hidden in plain sight?
Age Proof is where real science meets real-life results.
Each episode brings you inside conversations with doctors, biohackers, and longevity experts who are redefining what it means to grow older. Together, we unpack breakthrough treatments, debunk outdated health myths, and explore everything from anti-aging supplements to the newest regenerative therapies.
No trends, no shortcuts, just practical, science-backed tools to help you feel better, move better, and stay sharp as you age.
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How to Live Longer: Habits That Beat Weight Loss
What if the greatest gift you could leave your family wasn’t money or property but health itself?
In this episode, Kurt and DeAnna Mangum II — founders of Phoenix-based CoupleyFit — share how their accidental journey into coaching evolved into a mission to create “generational health.” From a first client’s 80-pound weight loss to watching her kids embrace healthy habits, the Mangums show how small changes ripple through families.
They break down their simple SWAN framework (Sleep, Water, Activity, Nutrition) and offer candid insights on weight-loss approaches, including peptides, GLP-1 medications like Ozempic, and the myths around surgical interventions. Kurt explains why resistance training, even just 15–20 minutes a morning with bands, is critical for preserving muscle while losing weight.
Packed with practical tips, myth-busting, and an inspiring vision for wellness that lasts beyond one generation, this conversation will change the way you think about health.
🎧 Listen now to discover how to start building your own legacy of generational health.
Today's guests are Kurt and Deanna Mangum II, the husband and wife team behind Cupply Fit. Based in Phoenix, they're on a mission to create generational health by helping couples thrive mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually. Kurt is head of business development at the ISA, Deanna is a full-time nutrition and wellness consultant and together they've built the SWAN approach sleep, water, activity, nutrition proving that true transformation is a whole person journey. Please welcome Kurt and Deanna Mangum II.
Speaker 2:So what are you guys doing? Active in?
Speaker 3:Health and wellness. Yeah, Obviously, it's definitely a big one. So, you know, right after we got married in 2016, we co-founded together Coupley Fit, which is a health wellness lifestyle. We have a couple of different elements of what we do from the business side, but it's all about generational health, yeah, and we created an ethos called SWAN Sleep, Water, Activity, Nutrition which is our framework around making one SWAN change and it's all about the generational for couples in particular. So that's just a little bit. Yeah, no, I mean, you hit it on the head. Who brought up the idea first? Interesting enough, it wasn't Cupply Fit, it was going to be like Pretty Fit and it was going to be her business. Yes, I was going to be focusing on women. She's going to be focused on women. Now, as I say that, it sounds like I kind of like took over the plan.
Speaker 4:No, but it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3:It was super authentic it was.
Speaker 4:It was very organic the way that it happened, also because when Kurt was playing football I was meal prepping for him. I was, you know, weighing out his food and making sure that he's getting all of his protein carbohydrates to stay fueled. But then we're working out together and so we were documenting, kind of our journey on social media and then people just started reaching out like hey, are you guys going to be doing any boot camps or meal plans or any of these?
Speaker 3:And we were like no, we have no plans to do that. No, we're working out.
Speaker 4:We're just working out. So Kurt's family.
Speaker 2:You're just shit posting over here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's it. So Kurt's family. They have a cafe in Phoenix Sky Harbor, so it's the Refuge now, but at the time it was Press Coffee, food and Wine, and so he was working in his family business while he's waiting for some calls to come through for football. And then employees started reaching out like can you, maybe, you maybe like create me a meal plan or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we were like sure.
Speaker 4:So, you know that Starbucks that's in the baggage claim. Yeah, that's literally where we had our first client.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, first consultation ever, first consultation and our first client.
Speaker 4:She lost 80 pounds in one year, and so what we noticed, though, is that she had this amazing transformation, but then she had two sons, and then her sons were seeing the transformation that she was having, and they were holding her accountable. Hey mom, we're supposed to be hiking Camelback. Hey mom, we're supposed to be going to the park. Hey mom, what's avocado Like? I see you eating that. I want to try it. So then we started saying oh, this is bigger than what we originally anticipated, which was just to help people lose weight.
Speaker 4:And it ended up being a generational thing where we said, wow, if we can impact couples or parents, we're going to see that this trickles down to the kids. And now we say, rather than passing down the material items, let's pass down those healthy habits, right? Like let's generational health, because people always think of generational wealth but, I, can't spend my wealth if I don't have my health.
Speaker 3:So yeah, and and to that, and to that exact point. It was kind of crazy just how full circle things started to become, because at the time again, it wasn't like launch this business, it was just like we're helping.
Speaker 4:It was organic. It was organic. How do we?
Speaker 3:help. And one thing that we knew from a I was doing marketing for the business at the time All of the social media. We're getting some awards by the airport. We used to have all of the I mean you name it. When it comes to celebrities, you have to come through from Michael Phelps to Sage Steele because, again, it's airport right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, you're kind of not trapped and there's a lot of people in this area too, I mean.
Speaker 3:Phoenix is the number five, you know largest city and one of the busiest airports. So you're talking about thousands of people a day that you would see, and so not only do we had the injury, but social media and we're posting and you know people are getting excited about this, and so when we launched our business, we were constantly creating content.
Speaker 3:So from drone footage to like we're out at a bootcamp at the park and it's free at Kiwanis Park and to be, but we got a drone out there and like balloons and it's, it's, it's an activate views, it was a different view and an activation, and so that was one of the really unique competitive advantages because over the years, yes, we had the health and wellness, but we amassed over 50 million views on social media, nice, from all different channels of us posting content, sharing experiences of like us living the healthy lifestyle and just going through our journey. So that was a big part of like us not just growing the business and having opportunities and working with brands like Walmart and different hotels and Omni and different things in that sense, but then it also opened us up to be able to like collaborate with other small businesses and support there as well, Cause people are like how are you guys doing the storytelling?
Speaker 5:How are you guys getting the cover of Scottsdale magazine and all of this stuff. We're having a hard time doing that. This will be a weird question, but if she's slacking, how do you tell her she's slacking? How?
Speaker 1:do you tell?
Speaker 2:her she's slacking Because I like that, she's like, she's like that. Never happens. No, no, no, no. We do, we do, no, we always he's slacking. That's usually Because Accountability yeah.
Speaker 5:Like my wife will be, like yeah, you're fat, you know. And like I'll get up and get get working out. But like I'm, not fat, I just jiggle a little bit.
Speaker 3:Right, no, but like, but. So I think it is a. There's the one, it's having the tough conversations.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because we were just talking about this earlier. We were, you know, like one of the things. She would tell me that it was like what's something that annoyed me when we first got together but I appreciate now was she used to tell me to slow down when I was eating. Yeah, why don't you tell me to slow down for?
Speaker 1:a minute. Who do?
Speaker 2:you think you're talking to. I'm a grown man. I'm like I'm a grown man, I'm telling the structure here and I'm just like Food is gone.
Speaker 3:I'm like, hey, where's the refill? She's like on the drink. I'm like on dinner, I need another plate.
Speaker 2:She's like. Once this video is posted, I'm cue like the AI VO threes to show you like major pain, like eight rib eyes in less than 30 seconds, like woofing it down. Imagine this guy.
Speaker 3:No, super, so like. But the approach I had to one realize like, okay, she hit a nerve for me, but a part of it, like when I was, before I became an all American linebacker, I struggled with being overweight, like as a kid.
Speaker 1:So, like.
Speaker 3:That was a nerve for me, of like. Buddha Buddha poking me in the belly and like you know things like that, so you know. So the word like fat would be a trigger, but to your point, working together. It's like how can you receive the information and knowing each other well enough to, and then it can be phrased around like how can I support you? Yes, like hey, I'm getting some extra cardio in tomorrow. Wink, wink, you want to join me?
Speaker 3:yeah I'm not saying you need to, you need to hit the treadmill, but like, if you want to walk with me, we're both going to be doing 60 minutes tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just having that support is huge. Like they eventually shot. It is not edited or released, but like I want to do a whole like anatomy and physiology, just like, so kids learn how their body works. Yes, just because I, I think as long as they know and they have it for free on youtube, yeah, then, like if they're getting fed garbage, they'll at least say something oh, yeah, and then it's almost like that, whether it's your wife, husband, kid, like having that community sense of like just being better for yourself.
Speaker 2:I think that again, like you said, the accountability, like if you have a five-year-old kid telling you you might not want to eat that garbage, that's for sure, that kid's probably going to get smacked, but there's a chance, it's so true Like eventually you do that enough, it's going to have a profound change. Yes, and just promote healthy living. And it's always better having somebody with you doing that. Go ahead.
Speaker 4:Well, it's interesting. You say that because we do a lot of work with at-risk youth and we Well it's interesting you say that because we do a lot of work with at-risk youth and we do a lot of speaking engagements too, just talking to them about health and wellness and we talk to them about SWAN. But it's interesting every time we get to the end and we talk about nutrition, we just ask them like, hey, what do you guys think are nutritious items? These kids are coming broccoli, cauliflower, they know.
Speaker 4:They know and that's the thing is you'd be so surprised Kids know. And that's the thing is you'd be so surprised kids know it's just, unfortunately, because their parents are the ones that are not necessarily eating healthy or right? You're buying the food. You're the one that's cooking the food. It's like I don't really have a say, right?
Speaker 2:now I just pick the marshmallows out of my lucky charms that's the best part I used to sit at the table all night just because I wouldn't finish my vegetables.
Speaker 3:I'm good, not interested, so you got you Midwest. You know you sit here at the table until you finish your plate right, like we're not wasting.
Speaker 2:Dude, Michigan Hospital, 930. They served whole, fried like chicken quarters. We're not even talking about chicken wings Breaded whole fried chicken quarters in the hospital for breakfast.
Speaker 4:He's in New Orleans.
Speaker 3:No, this is in michigan, michigan, michigan this is the pontiac the pool. So I played little league football basketball in pontiac like I silver dome. I remember playing the silver dome when it was still around. Did I hate it?
Speaker 5:watching the silver dome when I was there, because it was like weeds growing and it's like dilapidated yeah, I'm like barry sanders freaking had some of the greatest years in I used to see barry sanders all the time, so fun fact we mentioned patriots and jonas.
Speaker 3:They gave jonas the key to the city of pontiac. Yeah, I believe. And really there when he was there when, I believe, they demolished, they also did the demolishing of the yeah, so just kind of crazy that is kind of nuts and most people don't know pontiac, like people, yeah, oh, detroit do they know? Yeah, like yeah, you've been in michigan, you've been around michigan I lived. I lived in troy oh yeah, exit 69, big beaver road come on route 75 come on behind somerset mall portions are husky out there too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, oh, my god, the fun, so I'd spent time also in like lou Louisiana too. So it's like in hindsight I'm like I don't know if it was because it was that many years prior to it, but like I don't know if it was unhealthier. But, like New Orleans, I couldn't get weight off because, like dude, find a salad in New Orleans.
Speaker 3:Beignets, yeah, oh yeah, your dog's out. I mean, if you think about it, though, beignets are like oh, you want beignets with your breakfast Dude.
Speaker 2:The healthiest thing is gumbo and jambalaya.
Speaker 3:I'll take another piece, another scoop.
Speaker 2:It's like why am I not going to? You know what? I'm only going to be in New Orleans for like three more years, two more years. One day I was just like okay, I was upset with myself because I was like rushing down the hospital corridor to get to like a trauma and I felt myself jiggle and I'm like, oh, that's gross. And like when you feel parts of your body hitting other parts of the body, out of just your mind, you're like what is going on.
Speaker 2:And I was at like 210 and I'm like you know what? I'm gonna to 190. I said it to some of the nurses that were working in the ICU that day and then I run into them like two months later they're like oh, how's that going? I'm like I'm up to 220.
Speaker 3:I just had gumbo and BA's for lunch. I was up to 220.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, that's not good Like I'm bulking right now.
Speaker 3:I oh, that's not good Like I'm bulking right now, I'm going to do the cut.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bulking face, I'm just hoping for no more trauma calls. If I don't walk fast enough, I don't jiggle, I don't jiggle.
Speaker 3:It's like let me slow down. Or you throw the tank top on underneath the uniform.
Speaker 5:The trauma calls were like it's the worst, because you're there overnight for so many hours. You're like, oh, I can eat ice cream and you just pile it on. You eat like crap and you're limited.
Speaker 2:I would still do it right now, like when I eat, like you're saying, like she was telling you to slow down. When I eat.
Speaker 4:I eat as fast as possible.
Speaker 2:You have to, though I feel like there was one time I was in the ER trauma for surgery and I hate laughing about this story because there's a death involved but the way it played out at seven o'clock in Boston they would have a residence dinner at the cafeteria, so pretty much serving us all the leftovers. And I make a bet. I'm like I'm pretty sure I can eat a whole pizza. I can eat a whole pizza in less than 30 minutes and so I take that bet. We're placing bets.
Speaker 1:Is it a large? Yeah, it's a belly bomb.
Speaker 2:It's legit this big, but I was like somewhere between three to five slices in and I was on the ER. My senior resident was in the ER. No, I was going strong, but I just had like three to five slices in and they're just like trauma bae, whatever. So us two go run there and I have to just pump the lady's chest, Draw a code. And he runs the code like okay, somebody grab this medicine, whatever. And there's only like three of us there.
Speaker 2:It's this lady and two of her family members. She had dissected aortic aneurysm, so like your main artery that comes out of your heart, like it can balloon up in some people, um, and it can explode. So then it's just like your heart is just pumping blood in your belly. So I was just like this is definitely what this lady has, and usually you run codes for like a while before you call it. How am I just pumping this lady's chest and cpr at that time is like two minutes before you turn over. I'm just looking at him. I'm like yo man. I was like call the code. He's like it's only 30 seconds. What do you mean? Call the code?
Speaker 4:I'm like are you gonna throw a?
Speaker 2:fucking, fucking cold code. He's like no, we gotta run it for a while, there's gonna be backup coming. Just just keep going. And backup didn't get there. Like we, we did like run the code as long as we could, but like she just had no like vital signs and afterwards he was really supportive, like he's always looked out for me uh, more than like anybody actually during that residency period, but like he was just like what's, what's wrong with you? Why? Why'd you keep saying like call the code? Just like you, you were there for like 15 seconds and you like call the code, like pronounce this person dead, and I was like dude, I was like this lady's gonna die. Like she was pretty much dead when she got to the table. I was like the last and I was like, and you saw how much pizza and how fast I was trying to eat. I was like the last thing.
Speaker 1:Her family members because, they were sitting in the room.
Speaker 2:They're gonna see her dead and me puking pepperoni slices oh boy, just projectile vomiting on her like her arteries spewing the blood into her abdomen. That's the main reason. And he was like, okay, the funny part is there was another time, a couple months later, we were both the first to respond to a call and it was the same thing and one of the bigger girls that was a resident there got there before me. So I was relieving her for the chest compression and I'm looking at him and I'm like you got to call the code. She's like not again. And he's like why? Now he's like I'm like there's no way I'm gonna look that good pumping my chest she's going to town like I don't have that much energy, man.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh, wow, that one was joking, but the first one I was just like.
Speaker 2:I honestly like the chances we save this lady is next to zero and I don't want to cover with vomit.
Speaker 3:But no, but people don't always talk about that man. It's, like you know, sometimes life and death, or you're dealing with the transitions, right, it's like just another day at work. It's like, yeah, today was just Tuesday and like people don't realize that that's like, that's real. You know what I mean. It's like you know you got to take it home with you.
Speaker 1:You got it home with you. You gotta take it back to lunch that is true, that is true.
Speaker 2:Pizza, maybe seven o'clock dinner, seven o'clock dinner. I stopped, I stopped pounding pizza slices that day, right while I'm on call right, let me clarify while I'm on call and I stopped being the first person to respond to. There we go. I'll relieve somebody.
Speaker 5:Those codes are the worst. If you get there first and no one shows up, you're just pumping that chest, and who knows how long, because you're supposed to rotate.
Speaker 2:But if you're a little bit later than that, then the whole room has like 30 people in it.
Speaker 5:It's not just like the little thing You're going at it, you're trying to at it, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's because you're trying to pretty much compress somebody's sternum down to their down to their vertebrae.
Speaker 3:So so I will say this just a little fun fact Deanna's actually saved a life or two.
Speaker 4:Okay, no, no, no, no, Go ahead, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:Go ahead.
Speaker 2:I think you're being modest, you're being modest.
Speaker 3:No, she was in her first job. She was a lifeguard. Yes, one of her first jobs. Oh then you definitely saved a life, I mean, but I'm not saving a life like you guys.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying Dude, a lifeguard saved my life and I'm sure they thought it was nothing.
Speaker 3:They just grabbed me shirt but I almost drowned in like two feet of water. Come on, I tell her I was like. You know it was early on. I was like, but you got to give yourself some. You know it's two or three live. You know you're like. No, we had it at the cpr.
Speaker 5:You're out there everybody thinks they can do it until they get into the deep end yeah, yeah, yeah no, let's guard save lives
Speaker 2:yeah yeah yeah, yeah I I went out surfing. It wasn't huge waves, it was Rhode Island, and it was my first time and I fell off and I felt like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I could not get up. I could not get up.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then, eventually, I managed to feel the ground under me and I stood up. I swear the water was this deep.
Speaker 4:It happened. It happened. How did I just?
Speaker 3:tumble like 25 times. Who was holding me underneath the water just now?
Speaker 2:I'm like this is not even as deep as my bathtub and this guy's holding the surfboard. It's like your first time. I'm like yeah, thank you, Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3:First arm.
Speaker 2:I'm in here, yeah oh man, lifeguards save lives incredible, incredible tell us more.
Speaker 3:I knew you mentioned on like on the marketing side, what are some of the big things that you all are working on right now business wise and just growth wise, we're pretty much trying to strike from every angle.
Speaker 2:That's why we're here doing a podcast. It's not like we like you guys or anything no, now you do exactly. We got a patriot go pat 10 seconds in and like, yeah, these are my type of people.
Speaker 5:No, the podcast thing was like we're like, oh, we can get away from home and just have fun talking other than being working you know working.
Speaker 2:Oh, this guy doesn't talk, yeah, unless there's a camera.
Speaker 5:Oh really oh in person sometimes you know christian christian.
Speaker 3:What's that christian from the show?
Speaker 5:well, my wife says I'm on the spectrum and I probably do have one.
Speaker 2:No, he's not just on the spectrum, he's at a far end of the spectrum. Okay. Okay, so I don't know, I've never been diagnosed with it, but sort of you never sought out a diagnosis either.
Speaker 5:No, and one of the main reasons. Brothers, one of the things I talk about a lot is the health and wellness and, like I know, we do surgeries. But, like you know, we were doing surgeries and these patients were just like massive and like high bmis and I was like just not happy with the aesthetic result, because I was like how can we get these? People to lose some weight, and you know, you know that's the optimum outcomes.
Speaker 5:And I started, you know, to get into peptides and everything myself and like I lost 60 pounds. So I was like all right let me bring this into the practice, and we brought that in Great idea, Like have been adding different things to get our patients healthy, rather than you know. Some patients come in they don't know, they think you can just liposuction their weight off and you know, like for someone that's already done a lot of ready. Give me magic overnight, yeah.
Speaker 4:And it's really a butt lift while you're at it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so for a lot of patients that have already done the hard work yet you can do liposuction and get them better figure. But for patients that think they're going to take weight off with surgery, it's not going to happen unless it's weight loss surgery and that's not plastic surgery.
Speaker 2:It's not right. That's not like. Everybody knows like. Is that different? That's different yeah, yeah, like tummy tucks. You're not going to lose a significant amount of weight from a tummy tuck yeah, oh really, or how much do? You, how much do you lose?
Speaker 3:like five pounds is a really so so the thing is I actually no, I'm sorry I would think a tummy tuck, even if, you see, I would think a tummy tuck, you're dropping like a 20 piece. No, no like 20 is.
Speaker 2:20 is the high end, so so I like I was actually getting it.
Speaker 5:So it matters where your patient is and, like you got to educate them into, you know they got to make lifestyle changes before they have the surgery and I was actually like starting to do a study, because you, unless they're willing to pay five times the amount cash.
Speaker 5:Oh you, I can consider it, you do tighten the abdomen up which makes it like at the beginning it makes it harder to eat, but like if you're, you're not living the healthy lifestyle. That stomach's going to expand. You know we remove some fat but it's usually on average maybe three to five pounds, but people don't even keep that off If you're continuing with bad habits.
Speaker 3:Because even in three to five pounds I'm just thinking about me Like I could put that down in one pizza content. Yeah, yeah, exactly On call, I can do that on call. I can do that on call.
Speaker 2:But the thing is, even with gastric bypass, where they flip a part of your intestines around to slow it down or gastric sleeve.
Speaker 2:Those are the two most common types of bariatric surgery that people do. The sleeve like like, let's say, your stomach's shaped like this and your esophagus comes here and the intestine comes out there. They pretty much staple this. So your stomach's that big, so you eat a little bit. It feels full already and it sends the signals to your brain. Uh, so those are the two most common types and there's at least a 33 failure rate, like that's wait a minute, yeah oh yeah, that's like a third yeah and that's why you gotta get like even the bariatric surgeons.
Speaker 5:They gotta have patients that comply and lose some weight on their own. Can I just? Can I just tell you, I knew it, I knew you're right. Can I just tell you guys something?
Speaker 4:because I really it. I knew you were going to tell me, can I?
Speaker 3:just tell you guys something Because I really like to eat, like you know, like I can be a big boy If I didn't really watch it. So sometimes I'll watch my 600-pound life just to let myself know, like this is what I can do. You need to have some guardrails.
Speaker 1:Like put the trail mix down or widen the doorway.
Speaker 2:You don't want people who cut out holes in your wall to get you out. You don't want to do that.
Speaker 3:So when I see the 600-pound life, just to your point, like you see him talk about. Like hey, I can't even operate on you, right? Now because you've got to lose 50 or 100 pounds.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, 100, yeah 200 before we can even operate.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, got to lose 50 or 100 pounds, 200 before we can even operate. Yeah, yeah, it's. Their mindsets got to change and a lot of these people I exactly, you know, I was working with some of the bariatric surgeons and did a lot of it. The patients that do well are the ones that begin losing the weight and then have bariatric surgery continue to lose the weight and they get to a low bmi where the the skin's really hindering them right, yes, yes, yes gaining their confidence.
Speaker 5:So they could rebound and go backwards. But the patients that like they're like they just get the surgery done don't change their life.
Speaker 2:They have addictive personalities yeah, they're going over addiction yeah, it's all you can eat because you show the surgery, who's boss? But they literally show. They like oh, you think you can like shrink my stomach down, I'll show you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, interesting because they think this operation is going to help and like that's true, and we'll like remove skin on them and then, like they get hooked on pain meds and yes we, we see it like. I'm like all right, it makes sense and you got to really be careful with like pain meds and stuff with these patients because they end up getting addicted to opioids and stuff so like it's just the mindset you got to.
Speaker 5:You got to be able to change that and if they don't have it appropriate, you see them not losing a lot of weight so it's a lifestyle change yes, what do you?
Speaker 3:guys think GLP-1s.
Speaker 4:I was just about to ask yeah, yeah, what's your take on GLP-1s?
Speaker 3:Ozempic the different GLP-1s.
Speaker 2:They're great. They're a great starter pack for some people, they're great maintenance for some people. So it varies.
Speaker 4:Do you think it's long-term? I love it and I think it's long-term and it's good for you overall health-wise.
Speaker 5:There's so many health benefits and I use them, and I use it to lose weight along with peptides. But the thing I do is I dose it. I don't take it like on schedule anymore after I've lost my weight and like I microdose it. I'll move up in dosage if I go on beach vacation. I'm like I got to drop some pounds. I'll up the dose for a little bit and then go back down gotta get my sexy back super dose.
Speaker 3:So out of curiosity, um no, because I really appreciate you all sharing that, because you know, being in fitness and wellness, it's been like a complete takeover, right? Yeah, and I know it was supposed to serve a purpose and a role for, obviously, diabetic patients and different things like that, and then it was like it's like anything else people say it works. It's like what?
Speaker 2:yeah honestly, oh yeah there's a lot of distrust with physicians nowadays. Since covid and stuff, yes, and I, like I did you did a lot of medical research. I did a ton of years of research, so I'm I'm very like stringent on, like what's put out and like trying to poke holes in articles and stuff. And I I will tell you that the main thing with any type of medication, anything you're going to take, is risks versus benefit, so side effects versus how it's going to work for you. And this like not medical advice, but as a physician, I'll tell you like for a majority of people, the side effects is like very minimum compared to like even most drugs. So, like a lot of these GLP-1s, you got to inject too.
Speaker 2:So then to think like, oh, it's an injectable rather than oral right and it has less side effects, then I I'm gonna say, in my hands it has way less side effects compared to other medications that like just they say they hit this trigger and cause that kind of response. But it's just, it's definitely a game changer. Not everybody can tolerate it, but, like, the side effects people say is like nausea, vomiting. It's like, yeah, you're trying to eat when your body's telling you not to eat Gastric reflux, which is heartburn. You're going to get that just because your stomach's not emptying out as fast. So if you have gastric reflux issues beforehand, you should probably want to control that Slowly dose it yeah.
Speaker 2:And work it out and they're bringing new formulations with different receptors to decrease the GI symptoms.
Speaker 3:And one of the things that I've heard, too, is that it's really important to continue to train and work out while you're on GLP-1s, because I think, for the people that think it's just going to be a magic potion, magic drug inject it keep eating how I'm eating, or maybe eating less of what the same foods I'm eating, but doesn't it also attack some of the muscle?
Speaker 2:You can waste away.
Speaker 3:That's what I was going to say. Attack some of the muscle you can waste away. That's what I was going to say. Right, because you're going to, it's going to also less, it's going to also you're consuming less, it's going to also attack some of the muscle, right, yeah, it's going to start feeding off.
Speaker 5:It's going to feed off the muscle, so it doesn't you get, you got to have physicians that like do functional medicine or are in the space and know how to control that stuff and like, for us we we put our patients on the scale that tells us if they're losing muscle mass. You know like you're gonna lose muscle mass. If you're losing weight, you're eating less caloric restriction. So we discuss, like high protein diets and, like I was saying before, like resistance bands. Resistance bands like you maintain more muscle and your bone health with resistance bands over weight training. So I discussed that I'm like go and get good resistance bands, you don't need to do a hell of a lot.
Speaker 2:I use X3.
Speaker 5:There's Harambe system, there's multiple different systems that you're like 15, 20 minutes in the morning, good day. And I actually put on muscle while I was on GLP-1s and that was because while I was on GLP-1s, and that was because one thing was I was taking like growth hormone receptor peptides, but also the resistance bands. Once I added that in, I definitely saw much bigger growth in my muscle gains.
Speaker 3:That's got to be a game changer on the marketing side for you guys, because you actually tried the different things that you all offer. How?
Speaker 5:do you do this? Yeah, how do you share?
Speaker 2:Is that something that you share? How does that you all offer? How?
Speaker 3:do you? How do you share? Yeah, how do you share? Is that something that you share? How does that?
Speaker 2:come in. Yeah, so I share all his stories because I'm like I know like dude, the GLP ones you're supposed to titrate up and he did. He. He took like a big dose the first time he took it. He came into the operating room and he was just like I think I gotta go to the bathroom throw up.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I had weight issues because, like being being like college athlete and just being in your younger days. You just like your metabolism just shuts down. You can't like. All of a sudden your hormones are out of balance and you just can't lose weight. But I've tried everything I've been on all the diet pills and, like you've done, different diets too.
Speaker 2:It's not just like looking for like a magic formula he's done things that work for him but his weight like over the years, until like three, four years. What's it four years ago?
Speaker 2:now like it was always fluctuating. There's just times just like, holy crap, like he's really chubby. It's not like actually thinking of him that way, but like looking at the pictures, like, yeah, wow, sure, his face is really round, yeah, right. And then, but like over like two years spans like being damn, he's in really good shape, right. And then like, and to see him swing back to like the bad side, like after he's like successful, knows about everything being like, but he's just not able to keep the weight off. So that was the eye-opener once that transition went from being overweight to like just like he's on, he's on fire right now, not just weight wise, but like working with them every day, like showing up to the operating room together just mindset's a lot different.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it works a lot better.
Speaker 3:You're just sharp absolutely yeah, and that discipline, I'm sure yeah, and I use different things to like.
Speaker 5:Like once I got my weight down it was like how can I improve my brain function to maximize that and like be able to, and the ideas and everything just come a lot easier that's when you start wasting a lot of money on things. Yeah and even operating like you have to optimize eyes, yeah, level 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0.
Speaker 3:Let's go windows 98?
Speaker 5:yes, windows 98 yes yeah, so I, I just like. I was like oh, glp1s, I don't need to titrate, I just took the highest dose. Um, yeah, I was projectile vomiting that day oh my gosh like my wife asked me to go and do something outside. I bent over and I was well, this was after like. I walked into this case. I finished doing my side and then ran to the bathroom.
Speaker 2:I'm like I got to step out. I don't feel good. I got to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 5:I went, I projectile vomited.
Speaker 3:You were like did you have pizza? Were you in a pizza competition? Yeah right.
Speaker 5:Well, I thought it was the tuna sandwich.
Speaker 3:How many slices? Five slices, three slices how many?
Speaker 2:slices? I didn't even think. And in how much time?
Speaker 5:In how much time I didn't think it was a medication because I was like was it Because I think I had like some tuna salad or something?
Speaker 3:He's like what did I eat? Was it the funny tuna? I was like the funny tuna, the funny tuna. Yeah, I thought it was out a little long.
Speaker 2:He looked green. He came in and looked like your dress. I was just like something's not right.
Speaker 5:Then I started from the ground back up. I was like all right, I got to tighten up.
Speaker 2:Honestly, when you're in the zone in the OR, you don't even notice Until he mentioned it. He's like I don't feel good. I'm like you don't look good. I never hear that from him. I'm'm like look at him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you don't look good.
Speaker 3:I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. Yeah, no, but thanks for sharing though.
Speaker 3:That's always just good to be able to hear, especially from firsthand experience and also having the medical knowledge and experience Because I think so often you have. You know we're in a creator generation, a creator era right now between YouTube, socials and everybody's sharing their POV, whether that's you know you're doing it from a brand side, you're promoting the product or you're just like going through it on your journey, but they don't necessarily have the medical experience. And they're advising people and they're saying you know, you got to do the carnivore diet, liver king.
Speaker 1:And it's like this dude's not all natural.
Speaker 3:He's telling you you got to eat a you know, grab it out of the fridge and just take a bite out of it the thing is like if you spend, like twelve thousand dollars a month on gh.
Speaker 5:I heard it was like he was spending 70k a month on hormones and stuff. Yeah, I don't know how you can spend that much, like you can get a lot of good stuff for way less than that costs a lot of money, okay, so give us, yeah, give us.
Speaker 3:I don't know a ton about that, but I know. Like you know, I'm in addition to what we do with Company Fit, I'm also the VP of Partnerships at ISSA, international Sports Sciences Association but a lot of our foundation was early on bodybuilding over seven years, right, certifications, personal training, we go to the Olympia shows and some of the things, and so sometimes you're looking, you're like that's like you got to have a full time job to afford the enhancements that some of the people are doing Right To be able to, like, physically, have caps, you know, on the shoulders.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the thing is with like hormone replacements, like especially with like bodybuilding uh, two most important ones, or most prevalent ones testosterone and growth hormone. There's even some physicians that are saying like this like supernatural amount of testosterone is good for you that's what Krista was telling us but, like you, you want to stay on like the higher end of normal for testosterone and growth hormone. The growth hormone releasing peptides tend to do way better than just injecting yourself with growth hormone. Well, it's not do better.
Speaker 5:It matters what you're looking for.
Speaker 1:That is true.
Speaker 5:Growth hormone is going to give you the best results with lean muscle mass growth, where you're not going to get as much with the growth hormone releasing peptides and stuff. But the problem with growth hormone is you're increasing. Your growth hormone is going to decrease years in your life so can you repeat?
Speaker 5:that, yeah, it's going to decrease years in your life. So, growth hormone, unless you're like doing low, very low doses, you're, otherwise you're speeding up the way you're you're going through life and that's why you see, like the heart attacks and all all these, like 45, 50s, like heart exploding, yeah, yeah like the wcw wrestlers every wrestler, yeah, and like we were talking about, like when macho man passed away years ago I was.
Speaker 2:I read the article. It was like macho man died of car accident. I was like, finally, like not that I wished it upon him, but it's like, finally, a wrestler that didn't die of a heart attack, it's a car accident. It's like, oh, he got into the car accident because he had a heart attack behind the wheel gotcha yeah like even growth hormone.
Speaker 5:I did growth hormone.
Speaker 2:He's tried all of it.
Speaker 5:Even the I felt my wrists growing my hips. I would get hip pain, joint pains, Carpal tunnel.
Speaker 2:Carpal tunnel.
Speaker 3:Cervical Trigger fingers. Cervical spinal issues. Wow, so there's side effects like this, and then how much do these things cost? Whether so there's side effects like this, and then how?
Speaker 2:much do these things cost? Whether someone's like. I don't know if this is paper insurance, it varies because you can get it from somebody in the gym.
Speaker 5:You could get it from Canada, Turkey, India Find it online, because I do know some people that were telling me yeah, I'll be finding stuff on Reddit People find it online.
Speaker 3:It's a risky business, I'm sure A lot of the stuff for the peptides.
Speaker 5:a lot of it comes from China, Whether you get it in the US or anything from compound pharmacies.
Speaker 1:Well, that's medication period.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why Trump's setting the tariffs.
Speaker 5:They're making it in China and then they're sending it over here and the compound pharmacies do purity testings and stuff and the black market's become pretty big where you could even pick up some of the glp ones and stuff. But like when some people say they're not losing weight or you know some of the muscle wasting and stuff, they're not taking it from a doctor, they're just taking it from someone.
Speaker 1:So they're going, but like you'll still get.
Speaker 2:But you'll still get muscle wasting with doctor prescribed stuff, but it's just higher when you're doing yes, quality, yeah, yeah that makes sense, yeah, pretty much have to look at percentage, like percentage body fat, like yeah, okay, I lost like, let's say, like three pounds of muscle, but I lost six pounds of fat. That's muscle worth losing for just to get more lean. But it also matters what your goals are. So, like, if you want to put on more muscle but like trim down a little, like, you need a little bit of both, like with the glp ones mixed with, like growth hormone, releasing peptides and I, I ask you like how you would tell your wife and like for my wife, wife, she's like she's type A personality, she does her own thing.
Speaker 5:So, like I did everything and I, you know, like after we had our first son, like I was like I can't be this way, like to be able to play with them and everything I got to lose weight. So I'm more active. So like I got on this whole thing of being healthier and getting better and I lost the weight before we had our second son. And then, once we had our second son, she's like what were you on? She got on glp-1 shortly to lose the weight. Um, after she was done breastfeeding, she got in shape and then now she's, like you know, trying the other peptides because that worked so well for, you know, like trouble sleeping. There's stuff for that. You know there's other things to just overall we're trying for a third. So if she's trying to like help her system get, better she can.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Come on Breaking breaking news, yeah.
Speaker 5:That's how it goes. No, we've said it multiple times we have.
Speaker 3:But it, yeah, that's how it goes. No, we've said it multiple times, we have, but it's like until it happens. That's exciting, we don't have kids yet, but yeah, that's exciting though, yeah big time.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was always about like scheduling it where. Yeah, because I've been with never schedule, if you guys are scheduling having a kid, don't just have a kid, yeah I know scheduling for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me it was like don't schedule, it's having a kid dude.
Speaker 2:You're never going to be ready, you're never going to be set, you're never going to be, prepared. And even if you are and you're hyper like, focused on that. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 5:If you want a kid, you just go do it, it, it took me a while and you know I and you get by like you got to see, like what our parents got by with.
Speaker 2:You're like whoa, they had way less resources, they were way less prepared than us. You think they had everything figured out. But then you look back like yeah oh but it's different for every like.
Speaker 5:I like, I really like. I can't remember exactly when I even thought about having a kid. It was like it wasn't till, like I was like 36, 37, um till I even thought about it, I was like out of that school and like getting married. You know, I was like I gotta have enough money even having a kid.
Speaker 1:I'm like I gotta accomplish these things before having a kid.
Speaker 5:But then, like you know me and my wife like you know, you protect yourself all this protected time, like, oh, I want to go travel for a few years, but then it's, like you know, like when you try to have a kid and you can't have it and we have to go through ivf and stuff that's the biggest thing, thing.
Speaker 2:That's where.
Speaker 5:I'm like you know, if you really want to have a kid, like, don't put it off, but if you're like questionable about it, yeah, take your time, chris Rock did say is, once you have a kid like, fuck you, fuck your aspirations.
Speaker 2:Oh, you want to travel. Go fuck yourself. It's not about you anymore.
Speaker 1:So that's the one thing to like. Weigh in.
Speaker 2:But it is like, for me it's the greatest thing in the world being a dad. Like I don't just say it to like look like that guy. It's like we absolutely love the time we spend together and want to just like hold on to that as much as possible, Cause in like five years she's going to be in college.
Speaker 2:It's like crazy, um, and then, like we waited to have a second one, then we had some hard times, so it's, it's like that. That's why it's like, oh, you can put it off, put it off. But like eh, put it off, put it off. But like something about evolution telling me to have as many kids as possible. Now, just treat it like pizza slices.
Speaker 3:Oh boy, finish the pie in under 30. Just go until you're going to puke.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 3:There we go. Well, I feel like we'll have to circle back, man, and either come back on or have you guys want to chat more about that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, definitely so awesome. Yeah, like we'll have to circle back, man and uh, either come back on or you guys want to chat more about. Yeah, sure, definitely so awesome. Yeah, it's been an awesome time having you guys.
Speaker 5:Thank you for having us man. Thank you guys so much. Yeah, thank you, thank you.