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How Testosterone Can Save Your Health, Mood & Marriage
Feeling flat, foggy, or low on energy? It might not be you, it could be your hormones.
In this episode, we unpack testosterone optimization with practical insights and real-world experience. Discover why “normal” lab results often leave you feeling anything but, how free T and SHBG tell the real story, and the safest ways to use pellets, injections, or creams.
We dive into fertility-friendly options, safe hormone replacement, resistance training, nutrition, sleep, and sequencing hormones before medications like GLP‑1s to protect lean mass and energy. Plus, learn how recovery peptides and conservative strategies for women can improve mood, muscle, bone health, and libido without chasing extremes.
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When you don't have libido, like your wife's gonna think something's wrong with you. To gain that back and like actually you know, you almost become asexual without it. One of the best ways to start getting on this path to healthy behaviors is get your testosterone checked.
SPEAKER_06:Common misconception is the normal range given on lab values for most facilities. It's somewhere between like something I've seen as low as 150 to 1150. Alright, so today we're talking about something you're familiar with and done research and supplemented testosterone. So what what's your general oversight?
SPEAKER_05:So at the beginning I started without like doing too much research into it. Um and I usually research everything, but at the time I was like pretty much starting my own business and like and working 24-7 hours a week. Yeah, working so many hours and you know, on my downtime, I wasn't like really reading.
SPEAKER_06:What was your source? Is it in the locker room? No, or do you have no credit?
SPEAKER_05:I had no, I actually went to an internal medicine doc that I was friends with. Um, I started with him, and then one of my friends ran one of these TRT companies, so I changed over. Um which you know, I I should have probably checked levels and stuff. I think I was like super dosing, um, not really like checking how much I should really be dosed. And like I thought like doing more was better. It's always better. Yeah, yeah, when your numbers are um until the fourth brick wall you ran into.
SPEAKER_06:You're like, maybe I'm a little over.
SPEAKER_05:And the thing is, like, I don't I don't know, like even being at the high level, like I wasn't like, you know, at first I was doing CrossFit, but then I started hurting my wrists and stuff, so I stopped doing CrossFit. So like I I I gained weight and I thought I was gonna like lose muscle by taking, you know, injecting testosterone. And I was doing in injections like once a week. I was doing, I think I should have been at half of what I was, um, because my readings were at and this was at 35. Um, my readings were always greater than 1500.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, greater than 1500.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, so you were so I like what I originally I don't remember quite what I was my total testosterone was probably around 500, um, I think four or five hundred uh before I started on it. Um, and then you know, I did it for quite a while, and then I came off of it because me and my wife were trying to get pregnant, so I came off of it. I felt like crap. Like um, like were you on anything else?
SPEAKER_04:What's the normal value of testosterone?
SPEAKER_05:So if you look at the lab values, some labs are 240 to 900 or 1200, even up to 1200. Um, but you want to be optimized, it's not just what the level is. They say not to look at just your total testosterone, look at the free testosterone level, but no one's really got that real like free testosterone level to be optimized. It's easier to look at the I don't know. For me, I haven't found any real good way of that, other than you got to get your total testosterone, your sex hormone binding globulin, because you could have a normal testosterone level or optimal testosterone level, but if your sex hormone binding globulin's too high, that's binding to all to the testosterone. So your free testosterone is gonna be much lower, so you're gonna have all the side effects as if you had low testosterone. Um but you know it's almost like that makes your your therapy. I mean, that's yeah, that makes sense.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, but in general, like for most people, if if everything else is balanced, you want to be at the high end normal. For most people, it seems like they do best between like nine to eleven hundred.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, nine to eleven hundreds what you're like in your teen years or early twenties, um, even into your thirties. Nowadays, you're finding 20s and 30-year-olds like under 500.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, um under 100.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Well, like where a lot of the issue is they go to their PCP, their PCP doesn't want to prescribe them anything, although they seem like they're having which is the primary care physician, they seem like they're having side effects from having low testosterone. Um, and you know, they're not they're like your testosterone's normal. I'm like, I look at it, I'm like, no, it's you that's pretty low for 20, 30 year olds. Yeah, you know. Um, and like there's things you can do, like if you're living a sedentary lifestyle, um, and we can discuss this later, that you can do to up your testosterone levels. Um, so if you're living a sedentary lifestyle, you're fat, your your estrogen is gonna go up, your testosterone is gonna go down. If you live a stressful lifestyle, um, your cortisol being high is gonna um so you should stand up when you masturbate. Yeah. Put your testosterone in the digger or lift some weights while you're doing it. Resistance training's gonna increase your testosterone.
SPEAKER_06:You don't need both hands to masturbate.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. And good sleep. Good sleep's gonna improve your uh overall testosterone level. All things all things that like if you go through med school, you pretty much like um none of this happens. So residency, even worse is residency.
SPEAKER_06:It's not just testosterone, like you're looking looking at like growth hormones, like pretty much your overall like circadian rhythm.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, your cortisol's high, always, and then that's that's the thing, like our cortisol, and like look at our HRV. Our HRV is always so low, which is the heart rate variability, because we're always in such high stress, even when you're home, you're you know, like once in a while, if I'm on vacation, like that thing will creep up past 50. But most of the time, yeah, with whatever wearables I have, they're always under 50. Yeah, um, and once in a while I freeze my bed and I'll get the HRV to go up too.
SPEAKER_06:But then you get like two hours of sleep and you wake up.
SPEAKER_05:I know you wake up, you're like, I'm freezing. Yeah, get under the comforters. Um, and then my son can't sleep, he's right next to me. I feel bad for him.
SPEAKER_06:I'm like, doesn't that teach you to go to your own bed? Yeah, this bed's cold. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:What are the side effects of low low testosterone that's so good?
SPEAKER_05:And I experienced them all um once I was off of it. You know, I tried other things to kind of up the my testosterone level. Like you could take clomid or and yeah, I I took the cleaner, I took clomid, but clomid makes you like a bitch. Like seriously, like you get.
SPEAKER_06:What is it? Is it clomidopine? Oh, clon it's clonopene.
SPEAKER_05:Clomphine. Clomophine. Clomphine. It's not clonapine. And I I took and clomfene's an isomer that's much cleaner. There's two isomers in it if you take clomid itself. So I at first I took clomid, which like you'll feel the depressed, like get really moody, um, and stuff where you don't like um no, because that that's to improve fertility, and uh you should it increases your testosterone level, so you you'll have okay.
SPEAKER_06:Um I've heard I've heard people have had decreased sex drive.
SPEAKER_05:So when when your testosterone's down, like especially, you know, and like we're trying to get pregnant and like you you're off your testosterone, you're like, fuck, I don't want to have sex. Like your libido goes through shit. You're like, what can I do? But if you take testosterone, your sperm count goes down, you know. Uh some people it's a negative feedback loop. Yeah, you're some people are able to do just fine um and able to have kids, but for a lot of people that your sperm count's gonna go down. Um if you have if you don't have the best sperm motility and stuff, that you know, that's gonna even decrease your chances of uh pregnancy. Not for you, but your wife. So um uh so libido and and like what I noticed was like the love handles came back like exponentially. Once I got off testosterone, like the tire around your waist, that's like low testosterone, like it's straight tire around your waist in a guy. And females that they're gonna probably gain gain more fat in their hips, and for men, it's gonna be like a tire around your waist. Um and and then like cloudy brain, like can't think straight, um just also depression and stuff too, and what you see, you know, and this is why, like I think a lot of people that come out of the NFL and stuff, because you know, there's a decent amount of people that do um steroids, and they, you know, their cortisol levels are high, they're competing at such such a high level that competing at such a high level for so many years, it's not like they got into the NFL at 22 and that's the only time they've worked hard. They've worked hard since they were pretty much like 10 or 12 years old, and they haven't stopped into their 30s or or even longer. Um, so your your testosterone's gonna be shot, and that's why these guys, on top of like them having traumatic brain injuries and stuff, their testosterone's like shot, shot, shot, and they get it depressed and like it all just compounds together.
SPEAKER_06:And this whole time they've been getting smashed in the head, yeah, just yeah, lift weights, take tea, and get smashed by somebody like swinging a two by four.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so you know, I was like, I was itching to get back on as soon as like I was like, when can we get pregnant? Then we went through IVF and stuff, and then like I got back on testosterone like pretty much as soon as I could. Like, thought process was a lot clearer, had more energy, you know, like lost some weight, and especially when you work out, you start to lose the love handles. That was that's the thing that like is the most painful, and trying to lose that. Um so like there's so many added benefits, and like on top of that, you have stuff that you you you're not gonna see is gonna be like it's beneficial for your heart and your bones. Um for your bones, one way is you're gonna put m more muscle mass on, and that's gonna help out overall with your bone health as well.
SPEAKER_06:So I think there's go ahead. There's a secondary effect when when they like kind of like most studies I've seen, no matter whether it's like testosterone related or whatever, it's like muscle mass and bone density kind of go hand in hand. Yeah. So like they definitely feed off of each other, but there's got to be a like a back channel with like that actually adds.
SPEAKER_05:And that's that's what I worry about. Like, and like that's what we do in our clinic is that like when people come in asking for GLP ones, we check their hormones, and we we're like first thing you need to do is start on hormone therapy, and then we can look at the GLP ones because if you're like just and a lot of people are just being handed the GLP ones, yeah. Um, which you know, like it's gonna make it worse, and you're almost never gonna come off these GLP ones because you know, you get on you don't take the testosterone, you're already losing muscle mass, you already got more fat, and then all of a sudden this starts to decrease your muscle mass even further, and you're starting to lose fat. And and also you already don't have you know, your energy is gonna be low, being low on testosterone. So the GLP1s, you're caloric restricting, and you're gonna have even less energy too. So it's gonna be make it tougher and tougher to get back to working out. So I think one of the best ways to start getting on this path to healthy, healthy behaviors is get your testosterone up in check. And you know, if you're trying to get pregnant and stuff, there's other ways to get your testosterone up. But if you're done with having kids and everything and want to get into this healthy lifestyle, I think you start with your hormone balances, like your testosterone, also your thyroid hormone, make sure those are balanced out before starting on the GLP ones. So you can have the energy, get back into the gym and everything before like starting to like really get that weight loss. And it'll save you a lot of money too, because the GLP ones are a lot more expensive than testosterone replacement. And what's gonna happen is you can microdose the GLP ones just to keep your glucose under control, keep your grazing under control, and just build muscle mass and lose weight.
SPEAKER_06:Almost like just like a little maintenance dose. Yeah, it just helps um modulate your glycemic swing throughout the day.
SPEAKER_04:How about side effects, guys? Like you know, people talk about blood clots and potential like heart disease with chronic use things like that. Gynecomastia. So gynechomastia, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So heart disease, it's actually cardio preventative, it's anti-inflammatory. So it's the opposite of what you think. But like for thickening blood, you we gotta um keep the blood uh uh the hemoglobin in check, make sure it doesn't get too thick, then they can get blood clots, and you gotta just make sure you're dosing appropriately so you're not super dosing these people. Um so and another way is you know, like the IM injections or sub Q injections, they're gonna be and doing it with like a synthetic hormone is gonna get you more in like a superhuman dose where your hemoglobin's your hematocrit's gonna be a lot higher. Um so doing bio-identical like pellets and stuff, um where your your levels aren't going all over the place, is gonna keep you more balanced and prevent from getting, you know, keeping your blood too thick. The other thing you could do is if you tend to get thicker blood and you go and give blood every few months, so you do you check your levels and you're going and giving blood so to prevent again blood clots and thicker blood. You also have to check your prostate because it could cause enlarged prostate. So you gotta always keep an eye on not and see where the PSA is. If the people already have p high PSA, um it's usually stay away from it unless they have biopsies and stuff to prove it.
SPEAKER_06:Or if it's like an infection or something like prosthetitis, yeah. You just like make sure you treat the infection, rule out cancer, and then it's usually not a problem.
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SPEAKER_04:Do you check like viscosity of blood regularly? Yeah, because yeah, that's the CBC, just rebel regular C B C. Just see if the hemoglobin's elevated.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, like and of course, and like I've done all forms. Well, I didn't I take that back. I didn't I never did creams. I never like I was like, I don't know, no one's really talked good until until I catch this guy Johnny from the gym. Yeah, yeah. I I never did creams, like I just didn't think it was gonna be like absorbed appropriately. Um, some people say it's the better way. Like for a lot of my friends, I start them off with creams, they're all scared of needles. It's an easy way to start out. Um, for me, I started out with intramuscular injections. Um, those you get you get like a at 48 hours, you really get a high. Your numbers peak at about 48 hours, and then they start to go down and like kind of plateau off. Um, and I am you usually can do once a week. Some people do need to do it twice a week. Um, then I did sub Q injections. Um, sub Q injections you need to do more often. Um, usually like twice a week is fine. Um, I was doing microdoses, I was doing small doses every day, but I was like, you know, I'm gonna get like an abscess or something because it is oil-based and you're putting it under the skin and you sort of sometimes get welt. Um now I just do pellets. I think, you know, um I do the smaller pellets. My uh body fat percentage has gone too low to do the larger pellets that I would do every five, six months. Now I do them every three, four months. And it's more based on symptoms. I do check my labs, but I check my labs as I'm getting the pellets placed to prove that my numbers were getting lower. Um because I I feel it like I feel like there's days of doom, like I almost like when my testosterone's normal, I I don't feel that doom period. Like if I do it's like a a day, but when you don't have like when the testosterone's lower, I feel like it's like kind of gloomy every day. Um energy-wise, run out of energy at the end of the day. Um libido, libido is not there. Um so you kind of sense the difference. And I'm like, I look at the date and it's it usually coincides almost right away. You don't and that's why I say you really don't need labs to know when you need to get it replaced if you're doing pellets for um because pellets are a slow sustained release, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So people that might not know about it. Yeah, pellets are how do you get pellets? It's like a 10-minute procedure, it's really quick. Um easier than an IV.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you're numbed up and there's these little tablets. Um, they're cylindrical shaped. Um, we use a little cannula, we put them under your skin. Um, they can be placed uh in your butt, um, in your left handles, usually in fatty areas right under the skin, because the skin's gonna have that dermal plexus to um absorb uh uh the testosterone or whatever pellet females we put uh estradiol uh pellets as well. Um but you you and the absorption's dependent on your cardiac output usually. And how how long does the pellet last? So you put it in. So the larger ones you're like talking about five to six months. Some people could metabolize it quicker. Um the smaller ones usually three to four months. Okay. My last one, I I think I went four months with uh the smaller pellets.
SPEAKER_00:I started working with a blood testing company about six months ago in America, and I knew I wanted to do more preventative medicine, all the rest of it. Get my blood stunned, never had my T levels done, came back at 495. So I'm in the normal range, but I'm at the like low end of normal. They put me on a protocol which didn't include TRT, but like I needed to take boron to free up my free tea, and I needed to do like pharmaceutical grade of magnesium glycinate because the version I was using wasn't converted in some Amiga SLS there and more organ meat. And I got my results back about two weeks ago, and it was at 1,006. So it's gone from 495 to 1006. And the felt difference in my mood, in my energy, libido, everything is fucking palpable. Realizing that, oh, I thought that that was life. I thought that was normal. Everything at the moment seems to be very conducive toward men not being able to psychologically, physically, hormonally, socially, archetypally embody anything that is traditionally masculine. Ultimately, it's not just guys that will struggle. Like if one sex loses, both sexes lose.
SPEAKER_06:So, what did he say? Like natural ways to like increase it without TRT.
SPEAKER_05:Toronto Mexican glycinate, there's Ashwagandha, Tanka Ellie. His numbers, 495 to 1,000 plus, are kind of abnormal. That dude's pretty muscular and he works out resistance training. Who knows how his sleep was between the two? They say it it's almost impossible to go from 500 to 1,000. Um, but they also say you should test it in the morning um twice before can vary throughout the day. Yeah. So when he got it drawn is a big important thing. Um, and you know, how about how animal organs think? The animal organs they work. You you should you should be taking in organs. They, you know, like in in some of them they or cooked liver. So so they have liver, they have testicles, they have adrenal glands, and they do all work. And like, what do you think the thyroid medications are? Thyroid medications are like armor thyroid is desiccated pork uh thyroid, you know, like um, so you're taking and animal organs work because they're gonna give you some of the hormones um that you need. They work. I I've taken adrenal stuff, I've taken um I've taken the animal organs all um don't go don't go like the don't go like the liver king and eat l live liver, but but but like if you have low T levels, like his were somewhat on the normal side. Yeah, like those, you know, the natural ways, unless you're like in your 20s and 30s, like when you get up to 35 or 40, like those things aren't gonna work. You could try it. I'm not saying don't try it, like get your resistance training in, um, get your sleep, uh get your stress levels down, meditate. Um, also try some of the supplements. Ashwagandha, he said boron, magnesium, glycinate, um, and uh the animal meats they like magnesium also helps with sleep, so some of that stuff. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Magnesium's but magnesium and like zinc and stuff, they're in so many other pathways of like making the hormones and how the hormones work pretty much, yeah. So it it overall it's gonna help out. Um because that's you know, and I wonder like we could test the supplement we're about to come out with. Um because that's gonna increase the amount of semen you produce. So I bet you it's um anecdotally, yeah. So I bet you it has some effect on your uh testosterone levels.
SPEAKER_06:So what do you think about the liver king? Well, he was doing enough growth hormone that's like he was doing all hormones as well. Yeah, it's a shame.
SPEAKER_05:But but like, you know, that that's the thing. Like taking taking hormone like being on TRT is not taboo, but like, you know, and it used to be taboo because like people just overdo it or don't like monitor their life. But like I should be going to more parties because every time I go to a party, I get two or three patients, yeah, like and they sign up for pellets. Like it's on a regular basis. So you go and talk to any dad, they're like beaten up. They're like, I can't I've been working out like when I can, I can't lose weight, I can't gain muscle. And like, and I test their testosterone, and they they're all below what they need to be, and like we're getting them on pellets. And I'm not saying everyone needs to be on it, and like just that, like I said, if you're trying to have kids and everything, there's other ways, and I would try like the supplements and yeah, you know, the other lifestyle factors to be able to get get it improved without getting on anything for testosterone. And then, you know, like my friend, I got him on in clomphen instead of putting him on testosterone, and he just had a kid last month. Um so there's other ways to, and he felt great. He was like, you know, it just totally changed his life. Like he felt more energy, um, just libido through the roof. Uh there's other ways of approaching everything.
SPEAKER_06:Helping the couch, JD Vance on everybody. Yeah, compete with a dog, quagmire was like, compete with a dog, a stuffed animal. Anything else you you like to like combine with the TRT, or a lot of people like you think TRT is enough?
SPEAKER_05:Um matters what they want. Yeah. You know, for me, like shit.
SPEAKER_06:I am I When'd you feel your best? Let's let's say like um, because you you've been on a combination of stuff for as long as I remember.
SPEAKER_05:And right and right now I'm in one of those cycles that I'm like doing way too many injections every day. Um what are you on? But like the regiment of the the CJC ipomorlins, like you know, some of the growth hormone releasing peptides, or like if you really need growth hormone, that's like it it works, and you get energy and like working out the pumps, everything's like so much better. The deep sleep is so much better. Um, like right now, uh, I got some NAD and glutathione sub Q daily. Um I do epithalon, that's like a 10-day cycle. Um, I I actually I'm doing a 20-day cycle. I half the dose that I was doing the 10-day cycle of.
SPEAKER_06:Um how often would you do that epithalon?
SPEAKER_05:Uh I do it twice a year, sometimes three. Um and then I have BPC that I take morning and night. Um, injectable. Um because they both work. Some people, you know, they're I I saw someone talking about like the oral is bullshit, it doesn't work. What were you using it for? That's a question to ask them. If it's for like an injury or tendon, recovery, stuff like that, I I suggest injectable. But if you're looking to repair your gut and stuff, there's nothing better than doing it oral. Yeah, um, although the injectable is gonna help with the gut health, the oral is gonna be a lot better for it. Yeah, um, and sometimes sometimes I do take the oral BPC as well as doing the uh sub Q injections. Um how often you do you do the BPC? Uh I do it like three to four times a year. I for like six weeks, six to eight weeks. Six to eight weeks, whatever the vial runs me. Yeah, um, it's usually six weeks. Um the CJC appointment.
SPEAKER_06:BPC is really popular right now. Uh a lot of people ask me, I'm like, how do you know what that is?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, people would like, especially anyone that gets an ache, like our cousin texts us. She's like, she does CrossFit and volleyball, and her dad had all back issues, and he's I don't know if she's gonna be scared of needles, but I I sent I sent her some BPC. Um, there's you know, some of the people that work in our office, they're like they tried everything for their back issues and like nothing worked. Um, but the injectable BPC like took all that away. It takes so much of the inflammation. And what was one of the weirdest things was um I think one of my patients that seems like she's always inflamed, she actually took our Wolverine stack post-operatively. She actually had withdrawal symptoms from the um the Wolverine stack that has BPC and TB4. She started to get real bad migraine headaches because the and she's like she went on the review site to see like if other people experienced it, and other people experience because like the thing is once you come off of it, if you're continuing to be inflamed and haven't taken, you know, like cleaned up your diet or like have some source of inflammation, that inflammation continues to go, and you're off the pills that reduced that and took away all that headache and all the toxins and everything. And now that's still with you, all of a sudden that turns into the the headaches. Yeah. Um, what else did I take? Um what else? I'm on melanitan, methylene. I'm on a bunch of the level up. And like one of my favorite newest ones that's black market is the SLU PP. Oh, this and I got stuff from Osh straight from China that we're testing out these labs. That stuff oral form, it's like freaking in a week. I was like, I'm like seeing getting more cut up. I'm like doing the same workouts. It's amazing. I'm like that stuff's totally gonna take I it's gonna once it gets like F F the A approved or like through and it's oral form, it it's like an amazing supplement. But getting your hands on some good stuff is gonna be the tough part with that.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, testing and um that's why I always ask you about it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. No, I I I love it.
SPEAKER_06:It's like it's like I remember when you first got on it, you're like, this is kind of like whacked out. Like I feel like I'm crazy on it.
SPEAKER_05:Especially like I I felt like because I just started on the NAD glutathione oral stuff the past week, and like the mornings I feel on fire. Like I walked into that case yesterday, and I was like, oh, I feel that that's you know, you get on the under the microscope and you're like, you don't waste a move. You're like, yeah, this is this is how you need to operate. You know, you know your brain's firing away. So um yeah, like you could stack testosterone, but it's gotta be one of your foundational things. Um you can stack it with almost anything. Um and you know, you just build up the levels. It's not like I got on everything, I tried the different things with different things and seen how it worked, um, and continued that. Like I even take like I'm on melanitan for tanning, like my uh but that also melanitan helps with libido, um it helps with losing weight because it it decreases your appetite and everything. Um it's actually like such it's a right away if you're taking it every day, it's a pretty strong appetite suppressant because I like would I get nauseous as soon as I inject, I'm like, how is this small amount? And like I'm not telling I'm not kidding, like 10 seconds I inject it, and I'm like, oh yeah, and it's like sub Q inject. I'm like, how does your body like recognize this compound like with that quickly? And I'm like, feel nauseous right away. So play around with the dosage so you don't get notched.
SPEAKER_06:Do you think any of the stuff you do is overlapping?
SPEAKER_05:And that's that's where I cut out some of the stuff. I'll try it and um I'll cut out. And like on level up, there's the other thing, terchesterone. Turkesterone's like it's like a Turkish people? I know that's what I thought. It must have been a Turkish people that found it. Um it's actually like a plant-based steroid. Um works on, I believe it's the estrogen receptors. And it it is it works on the other pathway of increasing muscle mass, um, where you know, it it doesn't work on the androgen pathway. It works on a similar pathway, but it will get you like you'll get increased pumps, you'll lift heavier. Um overall, it's great for the gym. And I I got off of it. I ordered three bottles that arrived today. I can't wait to use it. I'm like, I'm going to Valencia, so I gotta start. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Yeah. Not medical advice sell it.
SPEAKER_05:Other other companies sell it, but level up level ups like my go-to because they're their products are quality. Okay. Um, and and we've been like we've been selling it through the roof. Like even our post-op, like our cosmetic patients um, we usually they usually get it, but then there are other patients are also starting to buy it, get it. We're selling it online. Um everything. It's it they they have great products and peptides are becoming big and they they have some good quality peptides, just like we said with getting quality supplements, these are quality supplements that can be taken oral.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, hopefully in the next few years there's a lot more FDA clearance and clarity about like just peptides.
SPEAKER_05:Actually, we gotta work on getting that guy. He's he's from Australia. We gotta get him on our podcast. He's the owner, the owner of uh level up. I actually talked to him on the side.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, you mean level up? Yeah. Wow, you weren't in Aussie, Rodmer was. You weren't visiting though. Yeah. Did you get any peptides while you were there?
SPEAKER_04:No, not from that guy. Not on the Sydney harbor.
SPEAKER_05:You gotta go to Russia.
SPEAKER_06:Russia's gonna get you to Siberia.
SPEAKER_05:That's how they're being Ukraine.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, the wrestle bears and I went to see the best guy I could see, an endocrinologist.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like, you know, how do I manage this? And it was half like my wife, my is my ex-wife now, wanted to try for another baby as well. So we're looking into all this, and I'm like, you know what, should I do some HCG or this and that? He just looked me in the eyes and said, Laurian, I think you know more about this than I do. Fing hell. Thanks, man. I mean, so yeah, I just went cold turkey for 18 months, and that was not fun until I figured it out. So I kind of had to figure it out for myself while I'm feeling so sh and why I'm getting anxiety, why I can't sleep properly, and all this stuff, because my testosterone was in whatever, 200 or something, you know.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, Dorian Yates is someone I looked up to. Yeah, in college. Growing up powerlifting. Yeah, yeah, that guy's massive. It's um so my question to you guys why haven't you guys gotten on TRT?
SPEAKER_06:Honestly, I don't have a good reason. Yeah, just like uh just do it, start it next week or next week, and then I also want to do this thing where I like just document all the changes and the different whatever peptides, um, hormone replacement, all these things, and just be able to document how I feel, how I look throughout the process, and it's just giving me more and more excuses to not do it.
SPEAKER_05:I I think you gotta just do it because like one thing is we we live such a busy lifestyle, and you want to do these things, and like even like working out, like it because you know, I was like, I'll work out in the morning, get up early. Like now my son sleeps in my room, I moved everything into our room, and like now we can't get up and work out. So I bought the resistance bands, and then I forced myself. I was like, I'm gonna just take the resistance bands into the living room and do the workout instead of being like, Oh, I'm gonna come at home at night. And you come at home at night, I gotta do it during the morning for workouts. So it's like, yeah, so it I think just planning around, like trying to do something to do something, you know, like I get it done. Just get it done, and then you can get you can once you get more energy and more focus, then you're able to do all that other stuff together, yeah. You know, because I think that's where it's gonna bring everything together, you'll be more focused and more energetic and just like want to get the shit done. And you're like, all right, I I feel great. And let me, and once you build that confidence, you're gonna be like recording yourself.
SPEAKER_06:Like Sarah would always complain to me, it's like, oh, you're gonna go work out like first thing, like when I got up on the weekends. Yeah, like you're you're gonna come home, you're gonna like just have no energy to do anything else. I'm like, I don't know, I'd I'd feel better after that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you get you gotta put the wife excuse, you know, like they they shame you, they make you feel bad that you're working out and they're they're not working out, and you for go work out. They shame you for working, not working out, you know, like but like no, I I I think bullying at the tourist. Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_06:You think you think bullying's bad in high school? Wait until you get married.
SPEAKER_05:But I think once you get fat, like they they despise you for not working out, but they despise you that you like you're working out until you get into shape, then they're like they're like fucking hate you. Why are you in shape right now?
SPEAKER_06:But I can't say thank god none of them watch this stuff or anything we post. I know, but exactly.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know where to start. My body's obviously inflamed. I gotta go draw labs. I think that's where we need to start. Yeah, you're super hard.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I know. I need to go anti-inflammatory.
SPEAKER_04:I probably need CJC. Oh, you got it like big time.
SPEAKER_06:That's probably the biggest big big time allergy issues, too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_05:I need to get on methylene glue. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I think I just need to start. But I want to do it stepwise, of course, just like one by one. No, no need to go stepwise. No, just try the different stuff.
SPEAKER_05:No, just try different stuff. Okay. But like you you start out with the anti-inflammatory stuff and then you get on the stuff to so what would you suggest me starting? Because it's taken down there.
SPEAKER_04:Probably I will start. I need methylene blue, right?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, methylene blue, I think, is good for you because like we don't know if you have some viral fungal something in there that's causing your I haven't looked up the data on methylene blue. Like there's a lot of data on antifungal. Like, seriously, like I had issues with my big toenails. I started methylene blue and it's gone. Like, like fungal infections, like disappeared. Like, I'm not kidding. It it it's all it's gone because it's antiviral, anti-fungal, and it's not me putting it on my toenail, it was just taking it orally.
SPEAKER_06:I kind of want to try it now for for my subarec dermatitis. That actually might be a good deal.
SPEAKER_05:So my issue with like the I think I figured out what my biggest issue is. We're in freaking masks. I think the masks and the hat, they have stuff that I'm allergic to because they they like I flake like right here. Yeah, but I got some of them I get even worse.
SPEAKER_06:No, I know across my body now. So I think try that out before the antifungal drugs. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And just yeah, the antifungals are never good for you. So it's like they're gonna take take a shot on your liver.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and and and they have killed people.
SPEAKER_04:I got the I got the tinnia.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I got the spaghetti and meatballs on yeah, just yeah, I I don't know if it's a methylene blue. I haven't gotten the shit.
SPEAKER_06:But go going back to that video, it's it's funny, like he he's talking about talking to his endocrinologist who's a specialist in hormones specifically.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and they're just like, Oh, I guess you know more than this, because like you're you're pretty much trained for like certain disorders, whether it's diabetes, so like your thyroid, pancreas, adrenal but they don't teach us about TRT, although they I think more and more med schools are starting to teach about this wellness and like more hormone replacement and stuff because um it's becoming more and more important. Like we're they were they weren't like we never got taught anything. No, you could have followed an endocrinologist. I I have patients that come from an endocrinologist, they're like, he won't put me on testosterone and and I've seen like monthly labs of like the repeated things.
SPEAKER_06:Like, how's this thing gonna even change? And you checked it monthly for six months. Like, why are you still doing that same test? And um, what one person like a combined patient felt like crap for years? He keeps getting he he was just like, Let me fax over my laps, and we just like he's like, Do you want all of them or just the last three months or six months? I'm like, let's let's just start with the three months. He sent them in and it was like this packet. I was like, what the hell is this? Like, why do you keep getting tested for hepatitis C like every month? Like, there's no reason I should go from negative to positive. Yeah, uh, and like it's all these crazy things looking at the microparticles, and the guy just felt like crap. Yeah, it's just like just like hey, uh guess what, guys? I got because he just wanted testosterone because he felt great on testosterone for like the three-month period they tried like five years ago, yeah. And they were just like, We have to hold off, we have to work up your adrenals, blah, blah, blah, before we continue that. He's like, Ever since then, I felt like crap, and he just got diagnosed with prostatitis because they they we were gonna give him testosterone, but his PSAs were elevated. Yeah, he's like, you know, it wasn't Did they put him on cortisone? Or they tried that.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, he tried that. You should probably just take some adrenal cortex instead of doing cortisol.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, he's been on a bunch of stuff, but apparently he should definitely eat the organ meats.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah. Organ meats are gonna probably like really.
SPEAKER_06:We have to start like a line of like some type of organ jerky. Yeah, like I think that would work well. You don't need to sell a lot of it, but just a little bit at every store.
SPEAKER_05:Dude, we should just open up one of those Iranian kebab stores that we you make like chicken liver. Chic live. It wasn't chicken, beef liver.
SPEAKER_06:Beef liver, beef heart, heart and liver. That's what I think.
SPEAKER_05:They did everything, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. It's like, oh, here's my Iranian delicacy, which translates literally to heart and liver. Yeah, yeah. I love that stuff. Oh, it's so good. But oh, you liked it. Oh, yeah, I liked it too. I didn't like it. I don't like it, it's potent. Yeah. Rodmere only.
SPEAKER_05:Well, not when my mom made it, the stores, those when my mom made it.
SPEAKER_06:Like that sauteed onions.
SPEAKER_05:Uh, that was no, I I liked it from the kebabs like the kebab stores on the grill.
SPEAKER_06:Liver king style. You don't even need to.
SPEAKER_05:We should actually do a podcast hardener with with eating liver.
SPEAKER_06:I'd I again I like it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so um liver and onions. We're going to school in our backpack.
SPEAKER_06:Oh god, yeah, we used to open that in lunchtime. Dude, the whole whole thing. I'm surprised we're gonna get the shit kicked out of us more. Like these weird, weird uh people wanted our lunches though. They're like, oh man.
SPEAKER_05:They're like coming, they're like, what is this stuff? They're like, they used to shove everything in a pita. We're like, you're not supposed to eat it like that. They're like, well, you have the pita bread.
SPEAKER_06:They used to just shove everything in most mostly was actually the adults, the coaches, would be like, Tarabi, like there was a coach from like a rival school. Remember Lonnie? Yeah, you'd always at the tour, it was Tarabi, you guys got some food. Like, what do you always come up to us and like just try to take our food from us? It's like your mom's cooking again? It's like you're not even my coach. It's like, how do you know about this?
SPEAKER_05:Oh man.
SPEAKER_06:Did that through college too?
SPEAKER_05:Like, uh you know what was the weirdest thing? Like at Simren's wedding, like, there's all these primary care physicians, and you know, like they saw me and like uh kind of my transformation and the or was it her no, her shower. And like, I'm talking to all these primary care. I'm like, did you get your labs? And like almost all of them got their labs. Their T was definitely their total T was definitely low, but not doing anything about it. No, they're like, Oh, it's normal, like it's 300 or 400.
SPEAKER_06:The normal the the common misconception is the normal range given on lab values for most facilities, it's somewhere between like the two some I've seen as low as 150 to 1150. That just I know units and stuff matter, stuff, but but that's such a huge range.
SPEAKER_05:You're like, yeah, uh, that doesn't seem right, especially for something that you know, like it's it's not really supposed to be way above that 1200 range, anyways. Yeah, but but then to be like that low, also yeah, like you're you like let's talk about like your red blood cell count. What's normal if it goes below 13 or it might be even higher, yeah, it's anemic, and then if it's 15 or above, you might have too many red blood cells, right? Yep, so it's like you have two to play with, and this is like 800 and like I don't know how you're measuring this, but like I I think because there's no like direct correlation, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Like if it was a direct correlation with like a testosterone of 400, yeah, they do more to treat it or like address it, and it's not like it's not uh taught of thought of holistically, yeah. Like, okay, well, if you got low testosterone, it's probably affecting the other pathways. Yeah, because your body's not like siloed systems, they all work together.
SPEAKER_05:So females, we do quite a bit of pellets on females, and like I haven't seen a single female on testosterone replacement that is not the biggest fan of it.
SPEAKER_06:I don't know about you.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, we have so many breast cancer patients that they're uh or they're not actual breast cancer, they're like bread genetically positive, prophylactic, and they're like, you know, their energy's through the roof now, and they were, you know, their testosterone was almost nothing, and most people in the breast cancer world probably tell them to keep it like zero, but you know, even breast cancer patients. I'm like, do you really want to like do you want to live or do you want to just like live miserably, you know? Yeah, because like I I think just give you five good years enough because like the you know the the thing is the estrogen blockers aren't like a survival benefit, they're a recurrence, they decrease recurrence, but it's not proven to decrease the the or increase their survival.
SPEAKER_06:I haven't looked at disease-free survival versus um survival data on that recently.
SPEAKER_05:So I can't yeah, we'd have to back the data on that, but like yeah, I like I've read on multiple sources.
SPEAKER_06:So theoretically, if you get too much testosterone, some can get turned over to estrogen. Estrogen can be feeding too.
SPEAKER_05:But you gotta, and that's that's why you gotta carefully you gotta carefully do it. You're not looking for superhuman protocols on females. You gotta just keep them, you know, like as long as it gives them energy and makes them feel better, you keep them at that smooth state. You don't need to go go crazy. Yeah, like I I females, I don't go over like 150.
SPEAKER_06:So 150 in comparison total that's totally 150 compared to males like 1150. So it's it's um that would still be low in in a male test, but that that amount I the exactly like the change of mood and everything you see is like you might be like just with a little testosterone, you might not need your SSRIs and all this other crap.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, absolutely, and and actually feel better. And that's what the problem is because Big Pharma doesn't want like one thing that treats so many things in uh everyone. Uh when they can give make eight drugs that they can make a ton more money. Testosterone's not that expensive to make. Uh it's not. And they can't patent testosterone.
SPEAKER_06:So um Eli Lilly's stock is pushing like bi levels now since it's dipped.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna start taking steroids. That is a horrible idea. Why? Ben Johnson, soul, 1988. We understand that you want to get shred? Shredded. Oh my, not this again. Okay. You want to get big. Right, but do it natty. Naughty? Natty, natural, without steroids. We just want to tell you some of the side effects and the complications that can happen if you take steroids. Okay, number one. Psychiatric disturbances. Sure, mood disturbances, roid rage. Don't interrupt me. Number two, liver tumors. Cardiovascular disease, heart attack, stroke, kidney failure, infertility. Even something called gynecomastia, where your breast tissue increases in men.
SPEAKER_02:Tendon ruptures.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. You can rupture your biceps tendon, quadriceps tendon.
SPEAKER_02:So now you know the risks. It's not worth it. There are lots of other ways to gain muscle mass naturally.
SPEAKER_06:So I'm gonna start up, you know this better than I do. The the arguments for all the uh side effects and stuff that video shows, a lot of it's if you go like crazy levels. If you maintain within the higher end of normal spectrum, like you you don't get gynecomastia. Yeah. Um, you're not gonna get a heart attack. Yeah, and if you do the a lot of the cardiac issues, because people take steroids, because everything's just yeah, thrown into steroids. It's like you take like exogenous growth hormone, that's gonna lead to a higher some of the synthetic testosterone.
SPEAKER_05:It's like you're taking Bulls testosterone that's like six times early.
SPEAKER_06:Well the same stuff they're giving to horses that race in in the Kentucky Derby. It's like you probably shouldn't be doing that. Like you're you okay, you got a heart attack because you took testosterone. Like, yeah, yeah, because it wasn't properly monitored, it wasn't properly administered, it's not properly processed. Like that's that's all a bunch of bullshit.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you're going superhuman levels without like any monitoring by a physician, and it matters what steroids you know, testosterone's grouped in with them. It's a kind of steroid, but it's not the same thing.
SPEAKER_06:It's also who's everything's providing it. Yeah, it's who's monitoring it. Yeah, like if you're again at the high end of normal, you're you're getting testosterone replacement, TRT, hormone replacement to stay at the high end of normal. That's still normal. Yeah, you are getting help to stay there, but that's that's saying like if somebody like every 20-year-old's gonna get a heart attack or develop gynecomastia, yeah, is there higher than you are when you're 45? Like that just kind of that's kind of bullshit.
SPEAKER_05:I got gyne without testosterone, so it's like what is it, a third of men do but like if if you're doing super, but like you gotta be dosing a little too high and for a decent some people affects more, and that's why you gotta, you know, probably start out with like doing the IM injections or like even the cream. If these guys were wearing scrubs, yeah, they probably know what they're talking about, you know, and and it's people like them that don't really know the benefits and like how it actually helps people out, and like especially like depression, like the depression's gone through the roof, and like with something that can help not need to take antidepressants, yeah. Um like especially a lot of the war veterans and stuff, you know, because like our war vets probably need it, and the VA does a shitty job at taking care of them.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, one of my friends they're like super low dose from high school, he's just like, dude, how can I get this? Like, because he can't afford it, like to get it weekly. He's like, his levels are like under 50. Yeah, he's like the VA won't like increase the dose, and even though his levels remain under 100, yeah, he just can't get TRT and afford it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, especially like being on antidepressant, that's gonna lower your testosterone level, um, being on SSRIs. Um, also like poor sleep, especially if you're depressed, you're gonna have even more poor sleep. PTSD. Like you won't if you went to war and like you didn't sleep all those nights, and like now you're having PTSD and dreaming about the you know, like whatever happened. So the and traumatic brain injury, like you could have possibly had some of that. So, and you know, part of this whole suicide thing could be, you know, low testosterone level.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, with and and um one thing in that video that stood out to me is like you're taking this to build muscle. It's like no, for it's we we don't have bodybuilders in our clinic. We we do have occasionally here and there, but it's not like people coming there to try to get swole, like I need testosterone to build muscle. It's like every one of them is like even our like cosmetic patients, yeah, they want to do it because they want to feel better, yeah. Feel better about themselves.
SPEAKER_05:It's not about love yourself, love your wife, like it it just makes life a lot better, just overall. Yeah, like when you don't have libido, like your wife's gonna think something's wrong with you, and like you know, to gain that back and like actually you know, you almost become asexual without it. So, like until your levels get back to normal. Um and like I always say, if you're not horny, you're not healthy, and part of that's the testosterone levels. Um makes sense, but I I just I just hate how physicians get on record and they keep on demonizing testosterone when it helps in so many ways. I'm like, dude, go and do your studies because it's like anti-inflammatory, helps with you know preventing heart disease. Um you're building lean muscle mass. What grip strength is big on longevity? If you look up, there's multiple studies on that. Being able to get up on a like a single limb is also probably due to your testosterone and like building muscle mass, being able to get on on a single limb. The more limbs you use to get up, the you know that just goes to tell how long you have left to live. So um it it's so important in so many ways. And like when physicians don't take care of their patients with uh offering hormones just because they didn't learn enough about it, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And like in in the female realm even if you don't offer it, like just discounting it without the appropriate knowledge, and you're supposed to be the specialist.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, in the female realm, like the whole women's health initiative that totally screwed all the females out of like, you know, and made everyone scared that they're gonna get breast cancer. However, it's you know, studies are coming out that you know, using biodenttical hormones and the right hormone balance, like you're you're actually gonna prevent breast cancer, not cause breast cancer with taking hormones. So um I I think it it's picking up and it it's a good thing, and people are learning about it themselves, they're asking for it, they're going and looking for places that serve them. Um and it is a what I don't know what the classes of drugs are. Is it class three is bad or whatever? Yeah, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_06:I stopped following it when I said.
SPEAKER_05:So I actually have to sign, I I have to sign onto EPCS to like do a review like you do for opioids and stuff to prescribe it for people. Yeah, even the creams and stuff, which it kind of seems absurd, but it is a controlled substance.
SPEAKER_06:If you're thinking you might need TRT, you probably do. Yeah, most people do, even if you're healthy. Um I say most, it's pretty much anybody over 35. If you're over 45, you can like count on it.
SPEAKER_05:I'm telling you, every party I go to, I pick up like a few people. Like if it's and it's not just males, it's females, like that. I don't pick them up. I get them on the path to health and wellness and taking care of themselves, taking care of themselves and just being healthy. Overall, like it's just it just makes everything better. You have more energy, you have a clearer brain. Um, you're gonna love your family more, they're gonna love you more, you're gonna just be overall more productive, um, and just a better person. What some people think like, I'm gonna get on testosterone and I'm gonna be this moody bitch. Um, yeah, no, that doesn't happen unless you're super dosing or like you're ready that way, you're not gonna Yeah, you gotta kind of do it responsibly and see.
SPEAKER_06:Mo most of it, it seems like with everybody that takes it, like from our clinic, almost after a certain amount of time, you don't even need lab levels. Yeah. And the patients don't either. They can feel the difference. Yeah. So you you definitely like it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, we don't even, yeah, that's uh that's why I've gone away from like people like, aren't you gonna check my labs? I'm like, we don't need to. If you feel like crap, I'm gonna give you the pellets because you we can definitely check labs if that makes you feel better. Yeah, but it's an unneeded poke, unneeded expense.
SPEAKER_06:So yeah.