Age Proof

The Easy Women’s Guide to Hormones & Metabolic Health

• Drs Torabi • Season 1 • Episode 14

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Hormones aren’t a black box, they’re a rhythm you can learn to support.

Integrative health practitioner Mariah breaks down estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone into actionable tips for better energy, mood, metabolism, and menstrual health.

Discover cycle-synced fasting, nutrition, sleep, and stress strategies, plus practical guidance on minerals, electrolytes, liver support, and hormone-friendly detoxes.

Whether navigating perimenopause, menopause, or chronic hormonal imbalance, this episode gives a clear roadmap to feel more balanced and energized.

Subscribe, share, and start syncing with your hormones today.

SPEAKER_00:

We have Mariah Mariah's season wellness.

SPEAKER_06:

All right. So I'm huge into peptides and hormones and everything. And so we're like, you know, we were talking her last week and or a couple weeks ago, and well, she's like, oh, she's my best friend, and she does all this hormone wellness stuff. So we're like, uh it's just right up our alley, and stuff I like to talk about. And the female hormones, like, it's so confusing. And like, no matter how many lectures I've gone to, I'm like, one thing is I deal with a lot of breast cancer patients too. So it's it's a touchy subject with trying to help them with hormones, uh, with you know, their oncologists and stuff. So, you know, and I try to listen to as many experts that do more, and like especially females that go through it themselves, especially like you started your journey on your your own, correct?

SPEAKER_00:

Correct, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, even I'm hearing a doctor sit here and tell me how confusing hormones can be. And as a woman who goes through her, you know, psych her hormonal cycle every single month, we as women don't have any of this information about our hormones. When we go through like sex ed and we learn about our periods and our menstrual cycles, that's like all it is. It's like, oh, you bleed for a week and now you can get pregnant. But we were never taught the hormones, specifically the sex hormones that pulse in. And when they pulse in, it's a 28 to 30 day cycle, it's not just one week. Yeah, and those hormones need support in specific ways. And I think if women had this information, their lives would be so much better. Like we would be able to, instead of resisting like going through our periods and our monthly cycles, we will be able to flow through it with ease. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

So and I think that's huge. Like, you know, well, I'm married. Like for people that are married, like you know, when your wife's about to go through a cycle before they even know it. And like, you know, my wife a couple days later, she'll tell me, she's like, Oh, I'm I'm starting my uh my period. And I'm like, Yeah, I knew that a few days ago. You know, I can tell right off the bat. You know, so like to be able to, you know, I've tried to do, you know, do different supplements or like help her with different hormones and stuff to try to get her balanced out where we can kind of work with it so she's not having all the see symptoms of PMS or whatever it is, so she can go through it. But like I haven't gone into the comprehensive, you know, it starts with like doing lab testing. The lab testing's confusing itself. Like, what it is. What do you like to use for like lab testing? I know you had some of the stuff that you do that you talk about.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. So I'm an integrative health practitioner. I was trained by Dr. Steven Cabral, and I'm a level two, so that means that I can he has taught me how to um look at functional medicine labs. So those are different markers than regular labs. Um, and then determine from there like what protocol, what lifestyle um factors we can bring in to start rebalancing the hormones. So I've kind of stopped using them as much. They're very expensive. Insurance doesn't cover them. But if somebody has the money and wants to pay, then I definitely will because it shows me great insight into the door that we need to enter first and how to start rebalancing and healing. So we do what's called a stress mood and metabolism test. So it's measuring cortisol levels, it's measuring your estrogen, your progesterone, your testosterone, uh, your estrogen to progesterone ratio is very important. We're also measuring your cortisol three or four times throughout the day. So we have different levels. Um from that point, I can really see, okay, you know, maybe the estrogen to progesterone ratio is completely off. Uh, she's estrogen dominant, her adrenals are burnout. I would call that like stage seven adrenal dysfunction, where her cortisol is just tanked and really low. So going in for a woman like that and rebalancing, we need to be very, very careful because they're very sensitive to um, you know, going in too hard and too fast with different lifestyle practices, especially like fasting. Um I I really believe first that a woman can rebalance her hormones if she is living a really good lifestyle and doing the inner work. Um a lot of times with women, I don't even need to do a lab test. I can just look at them and see how they're behaving and what's going on in their life and know, yeah, your hormones are gonna be out of balance, your cortisol is out of balance. Most of the time, I always, always, always start with their metabolic health. So we start with their blood sugar.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

So the gatekeepers of all of your hormones are insulin and cortisol. So we have to get those under under wraps first.

SPEAKER_06:

And the cortisol you're testing four days is that four times in a day is saliva test that they do?

SPEAKER_00:

It is, yeah. Um, so that's really helpful. But I would say most women who come to me, they've tried everything. Yeah, a lot of them want to do bioidentical hormones, which for some is great.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But what I'll also say is a lot of time the women they they do the bioidentical hormones and they're not working like they should be working. So what women were never taught, we have to have the right vitamins, minerals, and nutrients to make a hormone.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

And then we have to be able to metabolize that hormone.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And then we have to be able to detox that hormone. So if you put a woman on bioidenticals and she's not doing the lifestyle work, then that hormone that you're giving her now, she's not able to metabolize still or to detox. So it is still gonna cause imbalance and you're not gonna get perfect results.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah. And is there a form of the hormones that you recommend for females that are doing the hormone replacement? Are they doing pellets, shots, or creams?

SPEAKER_00:

That is not my area of expertise. Um, I actually would say bioidentical hormones first. Um but I have a lot of friends who are using pellets and creams, and they're working great.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I would say if you are going the hormone route, you should also be working with a lifestyle coach to really start focusing on doing the inner work, on healing. Um, I mean, you can activate so many different healing pathways in the body on your own.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So I use fasting a lot. I was trained by Dr. Mindy Pels. Um, she has the framework fast like a girl, eat like a girl, and now age like a girl. And those are her books. You can read about them. But using those frameworks, the fast like a girl framework, actually, we have put women through it who haven't been able to get pregnant, who have been in just terrible PMDD or premenstrual syndrome where they are want to kill themselves. They feel like they're going crazy, they feel like they're losing their mind. You put them through this 28-day fasting and eating reset that works to support their hormones, and everything shifts. All of those symptoms go away. Women are actually now getting pregnant and can have a baby. All of those PMS symptoms are going away. Women who weren't able to lose weight are now fat-burning all the time and are in very good health, in very good shape. So I use fasting, but when women fast, they have to do it instinct with their hormones. So I like to look at hormones through a lens of I like to make it easy. I'm not a doctor. And when the doctor who taught me, Dr. Cabral, about hormones, I was still confused.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Like looking at the charts, okay, we have all of these hormones coming in. Dr. Mindy taught me to look at it as your hormones have a love language, your sex hormones. And we have to know each hormone's love language. It's like having, you know, a husband and his love language is physical touch, but you're just giving him gifts all the time. Like you're really not filling his cup. And that's kind of how it is with your hormones. If you're doing the wrong thing at the wrong time, you're gonna tank your hormones. So, like estrogen, I call her the radiant diva. She loves fasting, she likes low insulin and low glucose. She can handle stress, she can handle heavy workouts. Testosterone needs low stress, low toxins. Progesterone needs nurturing, calm, and higher levels of carbs to come through and low cortisol.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So looking at it in that way, it's really easy to remember. And I feel like that's what all women should be learning because that's so easy to do.

SPEAKER_06:

No, I think that's yeah, I think that that's huge. Just how you explained it kind of puts it into perspective for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00:

A lot of women don't even know, like 10 days before their period. I call it the nurture phase. And that's the time when you recognize in your wife that she's a little like triggered, you know, maybe there's a little anxiety, maybe she's biting her head off. That's probably because she hasn't been nurturing her progesterone. Yeah, her cortisol might be spiking, so which is tanking progesterone. Um, she's not eating nature's carbs, maybe she's like leaning into keto or doing heavy workouts. Yeah, those things all tank progesterone, and then you're gonna feel those symptoms. Yeah, yeah, so um, really it is just about supporting the sex hormones and education.

SPEAKER_06:

So, what like the 28-day fasting? What's the protocol that you're uh actually or a sample of it? Okay, at least because it's not the same for everyone.

SPEAKER_00:

So no, and so uh, and I'll let Tiana too pitch in here. So the 28-day reset, when I so now I do group coaching. Um, I just feel like I can help more women in a group space and we can keep each other motivated, and it's like we have a fun community. Um, so I lead a group of women through the 28-day reset, and I tell them, you know, two weeks before we start prepping our body, we start eating whole foods, we start um making sure we're hydrated, drinking electrolytes, we start getting sunlight. Sunlight is one of the missing nutrients that is a key driver for hormone dysfunction. Um, so we start getting sunlight, sunrise in our eyes, sunset at night. And then day one, um, we enter this 28-day reset in um, depending on what day of your cycle you're on. All women should be tracking their cycle. If you're not tracking your cycle, you can't optimize and you don't know what day of your cycle you're on, so you don't know the hormones that are pulsing in. So day one through 10 of a woman's cycle is considered a power phase. And that's also part of the follicular phase. And that is when estrogen is starting to make her entrance, days one through 10. So hormones are kind of low. Day one, you start your period. Day one is the first day you bleed of a woman's cycle. So during days one through 10, during that follicular phase, we it's called the power phase. That's when we can lean into longer fasts. So we I like to lean into metabolic flexibility, getting into ketosis. So we start eating more higher fat foods, less carbs, less sugar. We start fasting. Um, it depends on if you fasted before. I'll maybe we'll start with an 18-hour autophagy fast. It activates all of the cellular healing. Uh, and then maybe on day two, I you won't fast, but you're still gonna eat keto.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Day three, I'm gonna have you jump into a 24-hour fast. So we are varying our fasting lengths, days one through 10, anywhere between 18 hours and for the really experienced, 72 hours. So that three-day fast that is a complete immune reset.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, okay, after day 10, you're on day 11. And this is when you're starting to go into ovulation. So days 11 through 15, we call this the manifestation phase. This is where all of a woman's hormones are pulsing in. So it's her estrogen, testosterone, and progesterone. They are all coming in during this phase. This is what we like to call a woman's superpower phase. Yeah, she has all of those hormones pulsing in. The estrogen is peaking. So that's making her more vibrant, more radiant. It makes her smell different. The pheromones are different. It is, you know, getting her ready to have a baby.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And so we don't really want to fast too long during that manifestation phase because we don't want to activate autophagy and um toxin release from the fat just because you don't want to tank that progesterone that's coming in. So we only fast maybe 13, 14 hours during that phase, and we're eating hormone-feasting foods. So we are bringing up our carbs and our glucose, nature's carbs, clean proteins, healthy fats.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. And then we go into day 16, which is the power phase two. That's after ovulation, all of the woman's hormones are dropping back down lower again. So that's kind of when she can like feel and fast more like a man, because all of those hormones that were at their peak are now dropped. So she can fast for longer, she can get back into keto, she can do her HIIT workouts. When we get to day 19, that is your nurture phase. That's when we have to slow it down, start calming and nurturing and preparing for progesterone to make her entrance.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

And when that progesterone comes in, that's what we need to eat more nature's carbs, more glucose, the clean proteins, healthy fats, and greens, and really just support ourselves and not do too much, or else we tank the progesterone. So the fasting links there, you don't fast at all. So 10 days before a woman's period, she should not be fasting at all.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So we're really using the the the follicular phase to get into deeper healing fasting.

SPEAKER_06:

And are you just running this like all throughout, or are you doing like cycles, like like 28-day cycles or three or four months and then taking time off?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So I practice this um pretty regularly. Yeah. And usually the women that I help and run through this 28 days. So in the the group course that I am coaching right now, we are just gonna run through 28 days and then the course is over.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

But yes, I would start it up again every month.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, that is a woman, that could be a woman's fasting routine to help clear old damage cells, to help regenerate stem cells, to help her fat burn and lose weight. To, I mean, fasting is really the most powerful way to activate your inner fountain of youth.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah. And when you're talking fasting, is it just water fast or are you using, you know, some people like to use essential aminos because you get headaches and stuff, or like even keto nesters to kind of kick you more into ketosis.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

When you're doing them.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you can you can definitely use all of that stuff. Um when we're doing the 28-day fast like a girl reset. I always want uh my ladies to be supported, and especially if they want to work out when they're fasting. Um, and like when my husband's fasting, I do he takes the aminos, uh, perfect aminos, I think. He will also take creatine. Uh no, not just water. I feel like our water isn't really healthy enough to um to keep us going through a fast. Like you need minerals. So my favorite products are the beam minerals. They're fulvic and humic. They have 70 trace minerals. If I have a headache, I'll take a couple of shots of that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I drink element electrolytes. Um, I drink a lot of lemon water, a lot of mineral water, sparkling water, herbal tea.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And you can take the um, I mean, if you're really struggling in a longer fast, I have taken like MCT oil.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And that kind of helps me out. If your blood sugar is kind of dysregulated and your hypoglycemic are going low, that can help you.

SPEAKER_06:

And have you have you tried any of these like fasting mimicking diets like prolon or anything?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I haven't tried them myself. I have friends and clients who love that.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I mean, there's so much research that's done on it that it really works.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, the guy behind it's pretty big. You know, like I read on Reddit, like, yeah, you know, some DIY ways to do it, but I'm like, you know, when it comes in a five-day package, but like the tough part was like just eating that soup. It's like I'm not a I am a soup person, but I'm not a like like a lentil soup type of person that has nothing else than you know, and it's just basically salt, you know, salt water almost.

SPEAKER_00:

So I did hear that maybe the quality of the ingredients weren't that great. I'm not sure. I'd have to look into the ingredients myself.

SPEAKER_06:

They've improved them, but I haven't tried the new one. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just tried like a 48-hour fast because I came back from Spain. I was like, all right, let's not eat. So I don't get the jet lag.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

So um it did pretty well, but like I think my my circadian rhythm is still out of whack. Oh like waking up at three in the morning instead of what I'm supposed to.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, for sure. I think if you are not gonna fast because you're too scared of not eating for 48 hours, then I think the prolon would be great if it gets you into a fast and autophagy. Do you ever use um a ketone or a glucose monitor when you're on the prolon to like double check?

SPEAKER_06:

I haven't like I've used a glucose monitor, but not while I did the prolong. I did the prolon thing once. I haven't tried it again because I like I don't know, the soups kind of threw me off. I was like, I I'd rather because I'm usually on a 16-18 hour fast on my own, so I don't I usually don't use their stuff. Um I do use ketone esters almost daily, like in the morning. So ketone esters, like all this other ketone, like ketone salts and stuff, they they actually don't work. The ketone esters are like I I don't know how to explain it, but but they're like pure ketones that like feed your brain cells, give you energy, and where you can go through the and that's what I used in my 48-hour fast. I take like a shot of it and it's like five mls, five to ten mls every like four to six hours or so, and like it feeds your brain cells and like energizes you so you don't really need um anything else, you don't need to eat or anything, and it kick kicks you into further ketosis.

SPEAKER_00:

I think that would be great, especially for people who are struggling to get into ketosis, because if you haven't detoxed your liver in a while, you know, your liver makes the ketones and it's not a lot of different ketone esters, like ketoneade's the brand I use.

SPEAKER_06:

Um there's ketone IQ sprouts carries that now ketone IQ doesn't kick you as much into ketosis as the ketoneid. Ketonade was the one of the first products, and I think Dave Asprey like originally got with them, and they used he said it was like five thousand dollars for like one drink. Now it's like it's still pretty expensive, but it's not that five thousand dollars. I pay you know, 70 to 100 bucks, and I get like three 60 ml vials, which usually you take five to ten ml, so it lasts you almost 20-30 days. Um for that.

SPEAKER_00:

I can see the benefit of that, especially you know, you're a plastic surgeon. Yeah, you probably have to go into surgery and you have to make sure that you are supported and have that energy.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, and that that's the main thing. I like you know, once I got into shape, it was more about how I can improve my brain, like to be like just more functional, yeah, brain-wise, because i in the operating field too, just being microvascular surgeon stuff, you just it's just more like you consuming your brain and seeing how functional you are. And it it has definitely helped out, and I've used different things along with that to try to get this like brain superpower.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I like to go into a deep therapeutic state of ketosis, and I do this by taking my ketone reading, my glucose reading, and I know when I get to a GKI of one, yeah, that's when all of the deep brain healing is happening. Um, I was in a a pretty bad car accident uh a couple years ago, and I did use the that therapeutic state of ketosis to heal very quickly. Um, and it it really works. So, I mean, ketones are amazing for healing.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, so besides the fasting, what are your major lifestyle changes? You like to, you know, when someone comes in, like they're just living their sedentary lifestyle, eating McDonald's or whatever. Um, when they come to see you, what are your first like three steps or five steps you're like? You gotta change these before like you know, whether it's better sleep, exercise, what what are your recommendations?

SPEAKER_00:

Um it differs with each person, yeah. But I'll tell you, I do have personal experience with clients like that. And people that come to me that are really overweight and don't have the money to do lab testing and um don't have the money to do really healthy foods all the time. So if it was somebody like that, I first tell them to start getting sunlight. Most people are so light deficient, they're not even able to um make sex hormones. Like they're not even using the cholesterol. The sun actually activates your cholesterol and sends it through the hormonal pathway instead of building up in your blood. So sunlight starts working on that. And then I notice too, mitochondria health. If their mitochondria are damaged, they need to start fasting in order to start uh the mitophagy and regenerating and that kind of thing. So I would usually the lifestyle practices that we start first, sunlight, always sunrise, sunset in your eyes, on your skin. At least we're in Arizona, so that's if you're you know, if you're in Iowa where my family's from, a lot of times they don't even have the vitamin D in the winter, the UVB. Um, so we sometimes will use sunlights in in their home, but we always clean up the food, we clean up their their um metabolic health. So I always usually suggest, and I would suggest this to anyone wanting to be age-proof and wanting to anti-aging strategies to use a continuous glucose monitor. Yeah, but because we can't balance hormones with insulin and cortisol.

SPEAKER_06:

Which one do you like?

SPEAKER_00:

Um, well, I go through this company called Thea Health.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, and so they use Libra, yeah, the Libra sensor, and I really like it. It's been great.

SPEAKER_03:

Um it's not that costly. That's the thing. Like originally I was like, oh, that's gonna cost quite a bit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the prices have gone down. Uh, so it makes it, you know, a little easier, but I'll do that for two weeks.

SPEAKER_06:

My question was like, when when do you test it after eating?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, the glucose and ketones? Yeah. So during a fast or or whenever.

SPEAKER_06:

Like when you got the glucose monitor, I was like, when do I put that thing up to my phone?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, so like a continuous monitor?

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Mine is like the one that I use, it's always like it's on a time.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like 15 minutes. It's in an app and I can see it like all the time.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, I had to like tap it and to yeah, some of the older ones.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. You do have to do that.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I like to see, okay, I like to see like where I'm at when I wake up in the morning. Yeah. I like to see what my cortisol is doing. Is it like going off the charts from my coffee?

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Or, you know, maybe I need to add a little fat to my coffee. I also like to look at it maybe about two or three hours after I wake before I eat.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And so what way do you add fat to your coffee?

SPEAKER_00:

What?

SPEAKER_03:

What way do you add fat to your coffee?

SPEAKER_00:

It's usually through coconut, raw coconut butter or MCT oil.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. I've heard a few people talking about putting just the grass-fed butter in there. And it tastes very similar to just doing a cappuccino.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think that would be really good. That's why I like the coconut butter.

SPEAKER_05:

Uh it does taste kind of like butter, but the bulletproof was you had to emulsify it with the grass-fed butter. So like the particles got in there.

SPEAKER_06:

But like, yeah, again, fancy. Like, you know, I tried all different, like when I did the keto diet, like for a while. I tried like I had all these MCT oils, different brands. Like, this one's better than the other. Trying different kinds. The grass-fed butter definitely tasted the best.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I don't like the taste of MCT oil, really. No, no.

SPEAKER_03:

Coconut butter is really good. My wife used to make these like uh Reese's cups. It's just half coconut oil, half almond butter. Yes. Just like freeze them and you have your snack like four, like two, three, four snacks a day. Um that those worked out pretty well too.

SPEAKER_00:

So good for keeping those ketones up too. They while you're fasting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

How about let's talk about um what we do with perimenopause and menopausal women and how you're still helping them manage and go through their different hormones.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So well, kind of like we can really benefit from learning from anything about women going through hormones. That would be that would be great. You need to watch the room. That's what I'm trying to talk to.

SPEAKER_07:

Listen to that on the way ride home. It'll help you.

SPEAKER_00:

I love raw material that you guys are wanting to know this information, and it'll be so helpful too, like to understand your wives and their emotions and their feelings. Um, so with menopausal women, perimenopausal women, I we're we're I'm really lifestyle-based. We focus on a really healthy and clean lifestyle. And there's a lot of women that think that they're doing everything. You know, they got their weighted vest, they're doing 10,000 steps a day, they're working out, they're getting into ketosis, they're fasting, but it's not really synced up with their hormones. And I'll find, I'll say, I have worked with a lot of women, and we've done a lot of the lifestyle stuff and a lot of the detoxing work, and they still weren't, they still weren't getting better and their hormones weren't shifting. And I pondered for so long and I finally realized what the missing piece was for women going through perimenopause and experiencing like really harsh symptoms. It's usually their their mental health, their thoughts and their emotions. So in in my group coaching, we always work on the inner work, which is always the thoughts in your beliefs and traumas and emotions. So if your emotional state most of the time throughout your day is self hate or stress, chronic stress, you're always like go, go, go, and you have to do this, and you have a huge to do list. This is actually telling your body that you're in fight or flight, you're releasing cortisol, you are really shutting down the whole sex hormone pathway to producing sex hormones. So your hormones are going to be out of balance. So we work a lot on emotional balance. But the number one piece to doing the inner work and really helping women get back on track going through perimetopause, I feel like they're going through a hormonal transition, like this huge hormonal transition. They don't know where they're going and they don't know how to get through it. So I always start with having them craft a vision. So I think you got I've heard you guys talk about envisioning going through a surgery before you do it and walking through it. For women and for anyone looking for uh rebalancing their health, they have to craft a vision. So I take all of my women through vision crafting. And the vision craft really is like the architect. It's like your highest self is the architect. It's like you're you are creating a blueprint for a home, but it's for your health. And so you have something to align with throughout the whole journey together. I her vision that she creates, it's like, what would she look like if she were in her best health? How would she feel? How would she make people feel when she enters a room? What would she look like when she enters the room? Would you look stressed and tired? Are you gonna look vibrant and healthy and excited? So we get into as deep as how does it feel to be this new version of you? Because really, if women can't see themselves well, if they can't believe that they can be well, then they're gonna say, stay stuck in, you know, whatever belief or limiting belief or trauma that they're holding on to. So we have to throw all of that out the door and create a new vision. They have to see themselves well. We start there.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

Like taking them, you you take them through like a guided vision quest type of thing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I have I have meditations, I have journeys. Um yes, I do.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, no, and like, you know, part of that, like I I meditate before I go to sleep. It like just like calm down your vagus nerve and like your parasympathetics, again, you know, so you're nice and relaxed, and then wake up, do something more mentally. You know, I use a mendy mendy device in the morning to be more focused, you know, different things that help me kick into different vision phases to you know, and I think it it's huge and important with like meditating to get to sleep so you clear your mind out of everything.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel like he's usually meditating on his wife or um talking to him. I am. He is I usually am I've started this conversation.

SPEAKER_06:

I've I've done so much meditating that like when I don't meditate, I'll come off hot. Like if someone tells me something, uh like I'll answer back immediately and might be the wrong way. But like if I've like been on point with my meditation, it's just you you come out with a better answer, like and just makes more sense to everyone, and like people believe you more than than like just spitting like your knowledge at them.

SPEAKER_03:

I I think it it's also rest and reset for the mind too. So that like because like for like our wrestling matches, like everything I bring back to like like wrestling and like growing up, it it was six minute matches in college, seven-minute matches. But you can't like none of the good wrestlers were just always attacking. Like you you recruit, you recoup, you gather yourself, and when the person's vulnerable, you have enough energy to attack. And if it requires an extra 30 seconds, 45 seconds of attack, you finish that and get your takedown points or back points, whatever it is. The funny part is uh a few years ago we were actually hanging out at his house four boys, all physicians, and we never talked about it at all, but just like I asked all of them, I was like, You guys meditate all independently, yes, quite a bit. And I was like, so so that's how it relates, like your mind needs that rest, that reset to just prime itself to like when when when you're not required to like go at it mentally, like you should give your mind some some break time, some downtime. So then when when it's needed, like it can just fire on all nine.

SPEAKER_06:

How huge how big are you on sleep?

SPEAKER_00:

Huge, yeah. Sleep is number one. That's also in the lifestyle practice for perimenopausal women. Sleep is at the top. Uh, I wear my aura ring.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And so your aura ring tells you how much deep sleep you get a night. And the deep sleep is important because that's when we are healing our brain and regenerating the brain. So I I say around you need an hour and a half of deep sleep. I don't know what your your thoughts are on that.

SPEAKER_06:

Um I'm usually like as long as you get at least an hour. Like I can't like if if I get an hour, like I usually can't sleep after that. Like sometimes it's like last night was an hour and a half, but like it goes up to two hours. But if as long as I get an hour, I feel refreshed in the morning. If I don't get that hour, like you wake up groggy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03:

I've got my monitors. I don't know if it's psychological. I'm like, 48 minutes. Oh, this is gonna be a rough day. Yes, I feel the same.

SPEAKER_00:

If I know I've had kind of a bad night of sleep, I don't even want to look at my order range.

SPEAKER_03:

Mine's been weird because it'll like when my like there's been a few nights where my deep sleep's like 30 to 40 minutes, but then my REM sleeps like four hours. I was just like, how am I doing this? Like, even if I wanted to, I don't know if I could like like get my body to do this. And I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh yeah, there's different ways, but I mean that's really getting into you know health optimization and you gotta have more time and consistency. But I think you know, getting seven to nine hours of sleep, I don't know. I think sleep is different for every person.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, like my husband needs like a good nine plus hours of sleep. I can do seven, six or seven.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, I'm gonna be able to do that. Those are the genetic mutations that some people go by with like four to six hours, and that's what they do their whole life, and that's what their body needs.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so yeah, it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, we both have like the eight sleep that also tracks your sleep. And I've tried like going all the way cold, all the way hot, and like it's just messing around with it to try to because it's supposed to have AI and like heat and cool, so it keeps you asleep. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

I wake up in the middle of the night sometimes and I'm like it's too cold.

SPEAKER_00:

My favorite thing to get more sleep at night is to make sure that I'm not on a screen or around any blue light at least, you know, two to three hours before bed, which can be really hard if you live in a household where nobody else is doing that. But I think the worst thing that a woman can do for her hormones is like be in screen until looking in her phone.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, screen until trying to go to sleep.

SPEAKER_00:

And I use uh Viva rays, yeah, uh glasses. They I call them my hormone balancing glasses. They have three different lenses, and so I use the more yellow ones, it's a full spectrum while while I'm on my computer during the day. And then after when the sun starts going down, there's an orange lens, and then after the sun goes down, I put on the red lens. And that helps. I fall asleep right away, I sleep deeper, I sleep longer.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, I set my iPhone to that whole the blue light setting where but then I can't read it. I know you just uh turn the light back.

SPEAKER_03:

My hardest thing is when I wake up randomly at like four o'clock, um, my alarm set for 5 30 or 6. It's not that much longer. I'm like, can I fall asleep? Can I not? Oh, let me just check this one thing on my phone since I can't fall asleep. I'm like, if I check this one thing, I'm definitely not falling back asleep. So it's like, granted, you woke up at four, you better be good to go.

SPEAKER_06:

So I usually just put one of the headsets on and just meditate back to sleep. That's a great idea. Yeah, it works.

SPEAKER_03:

Honestly, the thing that's worked best for me to fall back asleep. I cover my head with the sheet. And I don't know if it's the CO2 concentration, but like that's like knocking out. Or I'm suffocating myself to sleep. Like it's the only way I'm like, oh crap, I feel a little cold.

SPEAKER_06:

I think the thing that it usually works, and like uh I probably don't need the headset on to do it, is just like you know, you breathe in for four seconds, hold it for four seconds, box breathing, or or like hold it for seven seconds and breathe out for eight seconds. You do that three, four times, you're almost like automatically asleep, just kind doing the counts too. I think like that helps like knock you off, usually counting the sheep.

SPEAKER_07:

That's a good trick.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, there's I think that the box breathing does really help with like kicking your parasympathetics off, and like just trying to think of it like medically scientifically.

SPEAKER_06:

Because you're thinking about counting too, counting and breathing, so like you forget about everything else.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so it calms your mind in that set, and then like chemically in your body, just the negative pressure in your chest from holding all that oxygen in as receptors, like telling your heart to calm down, getting your blood pressure down a little bit, and like just having that extra bit, and then the extra effort to like slowly exhale, like that that helps with like the more fast-acting hormones and chemicals in your blood, like epinephrine.

SPEAKER_06:

So for us, a huge part of our practice is breast cancer patients. And like I I do want to talk about this, and you probably have plenty of patients that are breast cancer survivors, and like it's so hard because they put them on hormone blocking medications that I'm not a big proponent of, but I'm not gonna go against any of the oncologists or anything that are uh putting these patients on them. Uh, but they're they feel miserable, and I'm like, you know, like you gotta kind of look at it like you wanna be miserable and it like there are a good amount of studies that say it doesn't improve the surv survival or improves disease-free survival, but it doesn't overall improve your survival. So I'm like, you make the decision. You know, especially when these patients are coming in their 60s, they're you know, they want to they're just getting to their retirement age and now they have cancer and they want to l live their life to the fullest, and now they have hormone blockers, they're already in menopause, they're just starting to get on hormone treatment, and now they have to kick all that out and feel like shit. And like how do you respond to people going through breast cancer? Like we treat them with you know, there are patients that we still want the hormone treatment, and uh we work with them to see what's right for them, but how can some lifestyle changes for them?

SPEAKER_00:

Um Yeah, that's a good question. I have a couple of clients who have experienced um, you know, breast removal, breast cancer, oophorectomy, hysterectomy, and I mean they are in a terrible state because they you know, their hormones aren't in balance at all. They've they've shut down a lot of their sex hormone production just by going through those surgeries, especially the oophorectomy. Um it's again, it's coming back to lifestyle. Yeah, it is seeing yourself as well. It's crafting that vision and seeing yourself well and knowing that you can heal. And then from that vision, you start aligning everything, your actions, your thoughts, your beliefs, yeah, everything you align with that highest self vision, that vision of you getting well, and especially the thoughts and the beliefs, that's gonna be huge. Your thoughts and your beliefs really um, I mean, they direct your biology. Yeah, they direct your neurotransmitter release. They, I mean, they form your biology. So we have to get their thoughts and emotions in check. Sunlight, number one, we need to start activating that mitochondria. We need to start activating the feel-good neurotransmitters and the hormones that they do have, and that happens through sunlight activation, through the eyes, through the skin. Number two, I would do um whole foods diet. Yeah, and I I would depending on the cancer and the person, um, the the longevity diets are you know going lower in in red meat. And I would say doing a really heavy, plant-based, clean protein, you know, maybe wild-caught fish, that sort of thing, working on the nutrition.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And then I would definitely start fasting.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

If I had cancer and I didn't want it to come back and I didn't want to do the hormone blockers, I would start fasting. I would start helping my body to activate those deep healing pathways to regenerate and to clear out those cells that aren't functioning properly. So I, I mean, I would do 72-hour fast, like maybe once a month. I would do a three-day water fast and I wouldn't mess around. I wouldn't do the pro lawn, I wouldn't do fast mimicking. I would do like electrolytes and minerals in water and let your body activate all of the healing pathways and see if if you know what happens from there, if your body can rebalance. Because if you put your body in the right environment where you have your sunlight, your food, your fasting, you've cleared out all of the toxins. Um, that's something we could talk about too. Women going through perimetopause and even cancer should be doing, I think should be detoxing quarterly. I like to use a functional medicine detox. It's very gentle. Um, because we we come into contact with toxins every day. And I mean, it is all the plastics in the water. We have to make sure that we are getting that out. So I would do that as well.

SPEAKER_06:

This is a functional medicine detox. So, like, what is that?

SPEAKER_00:

It's amazing. If you guys want a reset, I mean, I I don't rave about anything. I mean, I kind of rave about the the fast like a girl stuff, but the functional medicine detox is my all-time favorite product. It was created by Dr. Steven Cabral, my mentor, my teacher. Um, it is either you can choose seven-day, 14-day, or 21-day. It it comes with a daily nutritional support powder. It has all of your vitamins and minerals that you need on a daily basis. And then it comes with two bottles of pills. And one is like functional medicine pills. Uh, I'm forgetting exactly what's in there, and the other one is Ayurvedic base. But what they do is open up the phase one and phase two pathways of the liver so you can start detoxing. Um, so if you're doing a seven-day detox, here's how it would look it is a two and a half day fast. You are drinking one scoop of this powder. There's a little bit of protein in it, and then a lot of vitamins and minerals. So you're drinking one scoop of this powder four times a day in water. So, I mean, it's kind of filling. You feel supported, you don't feel like you're lacking. And then day two, you're doing the same thing. You're fasting, you're drinking four shakes. The third day in the morning, you're having two scoops of this shake in your water. So that's more like a meal, but it's liquid. So you're still kind of getting the benefits of the fast. So it's two and a half days. You break your lunch with plant-based vegan lunch. So the first two days, two and a half days fasting. That third day, you can start eating. And this it resets your body because of the food. So at lunch, it's always vegan. You're getting plant-based protein, fruits, no, no fruits, just vegetables and greens. And then for dinner, it's more like a paleo style. So you can have your protein, lean meat.

SPEAKER_06:

See, he used to make fun of me because I used to be like, I'm vegan for lunch and then eat protein at night.

SPEAKER_03:

I was just like, You just can't say that though to vegan people that are if you want to go. It's like, yeah, okay, I didn't eat a banana for a few days now. You know what I do for my cleanse? I go to PF Chang's for lunch for seven days in a row. That cleanses me completely. And I don't feel the need to eat because I feel sick as shit.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know if that's the best way. But I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

I I should study it though.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it resets your eating habits, number one. Uh the fasting really is amazing for losing any inflammation, water weight, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03:

Little things I think it also helps with. Same thing with like going keto. Because going keto, you cut out carbs, and when you cut out carbs, you you don't eat as much. Same thing with fasting, because you have smooth muscle cells, that's what your stomach's made of. It's just like a stack of smooth muscle cells. It's the all-American carbs. Yeah, it it it's I think it's and then like even like skeletal muscle, when the fibers stretch out a little too much, it has a harder time being able to contract down. So then like as your stomach grows, it releases um chemicals to tell your mind that you're full. But as you keep pushing that, you build build up tolerance and tolerance. So then, like, this this is why people get their stomach stapled. That's pretty much just getting a portion of the stomach removed. And they've historically been able to eat through that too. Like 30% have a failure rate, even though they have like half their stomach removed.

SPEAKER_06:

Is it a higher failure rate?

SPEAKER_03:

It it's at least a third. It's at least a third between all gastric bypass.

SPEAKER_04:

Um because some of them turn into having a full-on bypass after that.

SPEAKER_03:

Even even ruined Y full bypasses.

SPEAKER_04:

That's then they got GLP1s after that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so you need a full regimen of like controlling your diet before this is this is before GLP once. You need uh good endocrinologist, dietitian, all this stuff to make sure that you're giving yourself the best chances to succeed at weight loss after getting some of your organs switched around or cut off. Um, so I don't know where I was going or not.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, fasting, I feel like, can also activate your natural GLP one activation, the natural peptides in your body. So I always tell women, like, you can activate GLP1s, you don't have to pay. Like, this is happening inside of your body when you're fasting. And especially like doing with the functional medicine detox, if you do that for three weeks, yeah, I mean, it's pretty amazing what starts happening. I was walking down the street and somebody was like, You are glowing, you look so amazing. What you know, what are you doing? And I'm like, Well, I just stopped drinking for three weeks and you know, did a detox.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So I do think that um people who have cancer or breast cancer, definitely adding a detox in quarterly.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, I think, yeah, for for sure. Like once you find out you have cancer, it's like you there's something causing inflammation. But some people come in and they're like, I've lived this healthy lifestyle, been a gym rat, eat clean and healthy. But like the thing they don't see is like there's toxicity in their brain that like either it's who they're with or just the lifestyle they're living, like their work, that they don't recognize that. Like, and then on top of it, they're like type A personality, they're working out like crazy and thinking that's good for them, where it's causing more inflammation than it is good for them.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I teach the women in my program there's five primary barriers to self-healing. And I also like to say that cause inflammation in the body, and a lot of times people aren't aware of them. So it's toxins like heavy metals and environmental toxins, it's pathogens, viruses, parasites, bacteria that you're unaware of. It's the um environment and lifestyle, it's the emotional your emotions, and then it's traumas and limiting beliefs. So it's usually the emotions and the traumas that people just completely don't think about.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, and I I just went to Europe last week, and this week I've gotten more compliments on how lean I am, and like all I did was eat like croissants and ice cream with the kids, and like I ate all like plenty of carbs when I was there. I I think we did a lot of walking, that was one thing. But like, you know, it's like what we get in our meals here, it's just dangerous, dangerous. And like I try to eat as clean as possible. I have my own chef like try to cook us, but you know, every once in a while, like my my wife likes to order out all the time, so I'll order something with her, but I'm just gonna stockpile meat at home. So like I'm just eating pure meat.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I think for for me with doing Mariah's eight-week program, I'm one of those ones who nothing's really wrong. So it's nothing's wrong, but I know it could be better. I work out all the time, I have good energy, I just started hormone replacement therapy. It's okay. Now that I heard you just say that, like why some people think it's wonderful and some people don't feel that much, that really speaks to me because I'm kind of like, I don't even know if this is worth it. My labs were off, but it's not worth it. But to learn about this, because even as a woman who's pretty outspoken about a lot of things, we're still uncomfortable speaking about this. Like, you know, you say bleed and I kind of go, ugh, or you know, different things like this. So it's not things that we talk about. And then when you put emotions and feelings to the different hormones, it makes so much sense to take to think about how you want to care for it. And I mean, I have no plans, God bless you, because I'm loving your program, but I have no plans on living every 28 days of my life like that. But I plan on living these 28 days like my life like that.

SPEAKER_06:

It's almost like living like Brian Johnson. You know, like, all right, you're gonna live till you're 180, but you're gonna have spent 30 minutes of enjoying yourself out of that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, you know the difference, you know the difference, right? And you'll know the things that work for you and and how it works and then know how to reset yourself. Well, that's a thing too.

SPEAKER_00:

I I don't do that, you know, 360 days ago.

SPEAKER_06:

Like, well, when you become conscious of how you feel, that's right. And that that's like what I do. I'm like, all right, these peptides make me feel good, or like these exercises make me feel good, uh, you know, or these foods make me feel good. So these are the things I'm gonna incorporate. Or like I can tell when my hormones are out. I'm like, you know, I can tell when is estrogen. I yeah, I can tell when they're out of whack, like just slightly. The aura ring tells me part of it, but like a lot of it, like I'm like, all right. Just feel it. I mainly use resistance bands, and I'm like, well, that resistance band never felt so heavy. And it's like an overnight thing where I'm like, all right, I need to go and get my pellets or something like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you want to feel good. Yeah, and for me, like I'll take all summer off, I'll just go have fun, I'll travel, I'll eat whatever I want. I'm not fasting. Yeah, and then I know that I have the tools to come back to that work, yeah, and that help me feel better.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, and detox is the big thing. It's like, you know, I do like a liver cleanse, like a GI cleanse, like whatever I need to, like, especially going on vacation. Although like vacation, I usually I think the food's better than like, especially when you go to Europe. Like you almost don't have to detox when you go to Europe. But like if you're saying US and North America, you pretty much have to because of the US grains and like all the rest of the stuff, like bottled waters, what whatever it is, yeah that are putting all these inflammatory products into your system. Always do yeah, always do a detox every three, four months.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's good. I think everyone should living in America. I think they would feel a lot better. Our hormones would be balanced. I mean, I feel like our hormones are so imbalanced because of the toxicities in our food system and our water system. I think it plays a huge role.

SPEAKER_06:

What are your thoughts on statins? Oh my gosh. I know you're not a medical doctor, but I'm not, but I'll tell you, I was just thinking about it today.

SPEAKER_00:

One of my one of my dear friends, um, she's been battling like really bad um menopause symptoms. And she got on hormone hormone replacement. That's not working. She doesn't want to do any of my programs, it's just too much for her right now. She doesn't want to look at her lifestyle.

SPEAKER_01:

But quick fix.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And then she went and she got on statins. She just told me she's on statins. So I guess, and I would like to get your insight onto this. When you're on statins, like your cholesterol is lowered, right? Like you're not are you making any cholesterol? So now how are you making your sex hormones? How are you keeping your testosterone?

SPEAKER_06:

That's the thing. The levels that your PCP wants you at, you're not making those hormones. You know, like you get you get to 200. You get to 200, 210. No, they don't, but like you get to two 200, 210. They're because my mom, they they were like, oh, here's statins, and you know, there there's other natural peptides and stuff that you could take to lower cholesterol, but like her cholesterol was 210. I'm like, no, you're already like you're 60 now, she's 70, right? Yeah, she's turned 70 this year. I'm like, you definitely don't need to take a statin. I'm like, there's I'm like, you your your cholesterol's at 210. And I'm like, that's fine. You can live with it.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm glad that you told her that. Yeah. Because it, I mean, I don't understand. Like, why would you put somebody on a medication to lower cholesterol instead of going to the root? Because now you've taken away the the the main building block of your sex hormones. Like, yeah, you're you're not going to be able to make testosterone, estrogen. And instead, what I see, the root of high cholesterol, and I think I mentioned this earlier, is really you are not getting the right sunlight. That sun hits your skin, it is taking the cholesterol, turning it into vitamin D. This whole process is happening. Number one, you could start with a sunlight diet, sunrise, sunset, working out outside, getting it on your skin. Number two, it is a mitochondria problem. If you don't have enough energy in your mitochondria to do, you know, that conversion of the cholesterol into the hormones in the mitochondria, like you're not going to be able to make sex hormones, and your your cortisol is going to end up sitting in your blood looking like you have high cortisol instead of you recycling it and using it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

And I'm not saying for like no one to take statins because there's people with, you know, they have genetic abnormalities where they don't break down the cholesterol. And they're like in the 300s, 400s, and they have high risk of cardiac.

SPEAKER_03:

They have certain enzyme deficiencies that don't break down certain steps.

SPEAKER_06:

But but you do need to look at I, you know, it shouldn't be like I'm gonna take statins and fix the problem. You do need to look at what's causing your cholesterol to be that high and fixing that, and then you know, having the statin, you could take the statins to lower them, but figuring out how to come off those statins.

SPEAKER_03:

I just remember being on rotation like third year med student with on with a urologist. It's just like, oh yeah. Just I take my statins, you should too. It's like really how come? She's like, I just take my statins and eat steak every night. I'm like, what what are you talking about? And then stick his finger in their butts. So I don't know if it's but but it it's just kind of ridiculous getting advice from people you think that are informed. You're just like, oh, this works for me.

SPEAKER_06:

It's like uh but part of it's part of it's you know, like with the American diet also, like going into talking about whole foods is like that's where you know your cholesterol being high. When you you're when they say red meat's okay to eat, don't eat just like any red meat because you're gonna get this hormone-laden like red meat that that's gonna spike up your your cholesterol and everything, and it's not gonna have your healthy fats, it's gonna have all your bad fats.

SPEAKER_03:

So like processed red meat associated with early onset Alzheimer's, also dose-dependent. So the more you've eaten like pepperoni, salami, all that stuff, uh the more you eat it, the quicker onset you're likely to get Alzheimer's.

SPEAKER_00:

I hadn't heard that. I hadn't heard that one either. Yikes.

SPEAKER_06:

Process things. Yeah, I think that's a good one.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that was like a retrospective uh review.

SPEAKER_06:

I read like was it salami from Italy or was it?

SPEAKER_03:

No, probably not. But I I will tell you one thing. I I did keto during uh training for like close to a year, it worked phenomenally. I felt great, but my cholesterol went through the roof. Yeah, like I I was prone, like I had high cholesterol when we were younger. I think that's more rather than being genetic, is I didn't actually fast before the test. I was like, I'll have a little cheese or something, like two hours before the blood test, and my cholesterol's through the roof. But um so when I was like telling Sarah I'm gonna go keto again, she's like, No, your cholesterol went crazy high last time you did it. But I'm like, Oh, I was in training, I wasn't eating healthy, I was eating out of the vending machine, out of the cafeteria, a ton of processed red meat. Seed oils, too. So it was just not necessarily even seed oils, like it was mostly like salad and red meat, but like my my keto friend my keto-friendly snack instead of potato chips is pork rinds. Which is like it's pork, you shouldn't eat like processed pork rinds. Like, I don't care who you are, like that just shouldn't be part of anybody's diet. But it's like, okay, got calories, got protein, got no carbs, here we go. So uh I just look back, I'm like, oh, that's probably what did it. I didn't really have enough access to quality foods to do that at that point in my life.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, when when they like there were certain keto diets that would talk about like eating the pork rinds. That's why paleo was more like on the whole food. Because it's more clean. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

For women, I usually don't have them go full keto. It's called ketobiotic, and that is keeping some of the the healthy greens and vegetables in with clean meats.

SPEAKER_03:

Is there's target grams of carbs a day?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's under 50.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Yeah, I was going for like under 20.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and that's almost too severe for women going through hormonal issues. Yeah. Um, it can be, especially if they're not getting the right light, uh, sunlight, but the ketobiotic works really well because it's still working with their microbiome. And for women to break down estrogen properly, they have to have a really strong microbiome. And we call that, I don't know if you guys have heard of the estrobilome. It's a part of the microbiome that it does exactly that. It breaks down estrogen. So a lot of women aren't um catering to that. And that's probably too why if they're getting hormone replacement therapy and it's not working, it's their estrobilome and microbiome are totally out of balance. They're what?

SPEAKER_03:

They're not oh hormone replacements. Never mind.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, if they are and they're not working like they want them to, yeah. A lot of times it's just they're not taught detoxing the hormone, right? But so ketobiotic is what I do. I don't go full in. I mean, I don't like eating keto. I don't like it. I don't like eating meat. I hate dairy. Uh, I feel like whenever I eat dairy, I get inflammation in my shoulder.

SPEAKER_03:

I I I love cheese, but I don't like the way I feel when I eat dairy. Cut out milk.

SPEAKER_06:

I don't know. I cut out milk, but I'm like kind of getting back on milk. I think I'm like getting protein shakes, and that's what it's made out of. Yeah, yeah. If you're getting your good grass-fed milk, I'm like, I yeah, the sourcing is definitely something. Yeah. If you if you or like, you know, the carnivore diet, they're all about raw milk. I don't know. I don't know. Uh if I'd go for raw milk. I always hated it as a kid, so but goat milk, maybe it's on pasteurized.

SPEAKER_03:

Smells like shit.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, it's gross. I don't think I could do I can't do goat cheese, so I h highly don't. I love goat cheese. Goat milk.

SPEAKER_00:

My son had to drink goat milk when he was a baby. So my whole journey started with uh, you know, a very sick baby failure to thrive, couldn't keep anything down, even that like really bad um colic or yeah, but even like the the powder that they gave me to feed him at the gastroenterologist. I mean, it smelled like dog food. It was supposed to be like broken down proteins, but he was throwing that up too. So we um from a doctor, she said, well, the only thing he's not allergic to is goat's milk. So we made this goat's milk formula, yeah, and he loved it, and it changed his life. He was like a totally different kid once we started giving him that, and he thrived.

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So it's supposed to be great for your microbiome and like your a ton of great probiotics and stuff, pro-prebiotics. So this has a funky low. No, I can't stand the smell of it. Yeah.