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You had a pretty interesting journey into how you got into becoming an acropath, correct?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. You were in TV. I was in the television business. Yeah. I had my own talk shows and I was an anchor and did that, but I was always interested in science. And then long story short, um, family having some things, and I said, there's got to be a better way. I was always interested in surgery. I said, if I was gonna do an allopathic route, it would be surgery that makes sense when it's needed, it's needed, right? Um otherwise the chronic degenerative were failing, it's a miserable failure. But when I knew there was a license to do both, to be able to prescribe and look and do minor surgeries and these things, I said, okay, this is where I want to want to sit. So and then I knew from day one though that I always wanted to get back to the public to be able to say, let me put this in terms you can hear.
SPEAKER_06:Isn't that opposite like allopathic and surgery? I know there's some um I don't know, but naturopathic surgery you're talking about.
SPEAKER_03:Well it's it's a bridge, yeah. So it it's a bridge of it's good science and good medicine is good medicine. I don't care what type of physician you are, how you were trained, good medicine's good medicine, a good science. There's a time and a place for surgery, there's time and a place for chemo.
SPEAKER_10:You're thinking differently. You're thinking holistic versus allopathic. So naturopathic isn't exactly holistic.
SPEAKER_03:So let's describe, I think there's always this semantics that we all struggle with, right? Holistic, people think of that as that homeopathy, and people say, whatever that is, right? It's a whole system in itself. Holistic means you're looking at the whole person, the whole body, everything. You're not just a specialist looking at one section, you're looking at all of it. But naturopathic medical doctors, like in Arizona where I'm licensed, we're licensed in both systems of medicine. So we're trained to do minor surgery, we can prescribe medicine, so we're trained to think allopathically or conventional medicine, look at the science, look at this, but we're also trained in guess what's over here? Clinical nutrition, botanical medicines, uh Chinese medicine. We know we're licensed in these things and know this side so that we get to say, okay, let's look at the whole picture. It's not either or.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Yeah, it definitely isn't either or. Yeah. You have to combine them.
SPEAKER_03:But we lean more when we can toward natural. First, let's see if we can do something with diet and lifestyle as we were talking. How much can you get there? Uh but I like to cut. Yeah. Well, I did you I was known I was known as the needle queen. I was doing prolo and platelet before anybody was talking about it, right? So I like the the procedures as well, but I don't do that anymore. I'm just working with my oncology patients.
SPEAKER_10:Uh so you don't do the injections there?
SPEAKER_03:I don't anymore. I taught it. We did it for years. There's a group of us that taught this around the United States, and we taught enough of them. Those people know how to do it now. Yeah. Like, go go do it. Um, I'm more education now.
SPEAKER_07:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:All right, cool. Especially with oncology, with the metabolic therapies, hyperbaric keto, the repurposed drugs.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah. So one of my questions was like, if you were to run a wellness center, what are your top, like either you can call them biohacking or what what things should you have in a wellness clinic?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, if you look, everybody's got the same stuff going now, right? Everybody's doing the same IVs, same things that we as nature paths have been doing a long time. But but it's it's great and trying to keep up with the latest and greatest. My issue is is that I think that if you're going to be on that gray area or something that's not quite there, become a research center or at least do be doing research on what you're doing. So you're collecting the data and you know you're keeping people safe. So that's my thing. I had a group, um, you guys probably know Dr. Paul Nassif from Botch. Paul's a good friend. Yeah. Ian um the chair of Cedar Sinai Cardiology uh came to me and they said, this has been a few years ago, and they said we need to do a longevity clinic. And I said, Well, first of all, let's call it mitoclinics, and I trademarked that because we're addressing the mitochondria. So anything that addresses mitochondria. Yeah. So that's your diet, your lifestyle, certain supplements. Yeah, those are basics to me. Yeah. And then you got to address the stress, which I know nothing better than music.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You got to talk to Barry about that in a minute. To get people into a brain and heart entrainment where we can get that stress under control because some of the most stressed people I know are the buyer hackers.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I had one in my office today. You guys would love it. Fit guy, I mean, on it, on it.
SPEAKER_10:Worries about answers. Oh yeah. More is better than it's a good thing. How to do better. But like, yeah, but but it's yeah, like I when I first started getting into it, and like, you know, you you read the different books, and I'm like, this just seems like too much. And then like it was too much. And you're like, all right, how like as a surgeon, I don't have time to do like any of that.
SPEAKER_06:It's a different way for different people to enter that. Definitely state.
SPEAKER_10:I'm like, I'd rather sleep than do a three-hour morning routine.
SPEAKER_03:And you know, sleep's probably more restorative and better anyway. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah. And I was gonna say music, you know, it's never thought of as a biohack, but it's one of the oldest biohacks that we have. Yes. If you go back to Chinese medicine, even in the symbol of Chinese medicine, the symbol of music is within that.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Unless it's nickel back, then it's the opposite.
SPEAKER_01:Well, if it brings joy, that's that's healing too.
SPEAKER_06:We we we did um I actually did the did a sound session with my wife with the sound bowls.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:One of the resorts here last weekend. And and she was like, okay, if you don't want it to be too intense, have your head this way. I was like, oh no, I want my face right next to the bowls. It got so loud, and it was it too much. It's not too much. For me, this is like exactly what I want. Uh I was like, last time I did it, I fell into a trance, literally. I fell into a trance, fell asleep, and like fell over. And I was like, I I I want everything I felt that last time. My wife's like complete office, like, I want to be propped up, and it would be nice to hear that. And it was still too loud for her with the bulls, everybody's but I was just like, my get me into deeper trance, deeper trance listening.
SPEAKER_04:You probably like staying in front of the sub offers at the club, too.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah. Kind of, kinda, kinda. It matters like how uh how it makes you feel, right? Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:And some people want to feel it more than and I think that's uh something that's not normally talked about, like within within non-invasive type treatments, right? And biohacking within music and frequency and vibration. It's the same thing, like we're not talking about dosage, uh, each person is individual, and the dosage matters for it to be take you to the place you want to go. You want to move into parasympathetic. You're gonna have a different way that you receive the music than your wife does. So her dosage is gonna be different than yours.
SPEAKER_10:And but we don't talk about dosage and music. So the vibration. There you go.
SPEAKER_06:So there is different that this different sensory, um, like whether it's like visual or auditory or sensory. Um, it and I was just like, okay, this just she wouldn't like this. I want this to be as an intense thing, like let me lay it my head next to your sound bowl. And it it's not really that loud if you have your eyes open, if you close your eyes. Oh my god, that's the loudest thing.
SPEAKER_04:Well, yeah, because your your brain waves are slower. As soon as you slow your eyes, you're moving into an alpha state. So you're you're hearing things differently and receiving it in your body differently as well. And you're producing different hormones. You know, if she's stressed out, right, she's gonna be producing cortisol. If you're relaxed, you're gonna be moving into producing less of that and possibly producing dopamine. So the emotional aspects have an effect on your physical pharmacy. And even going back to nickelback, you know, when you're talking about talking about nickelback. Here's something interesting, though. So they did studies of people in psychosis, yeah, right, and they couldn't listen to relaxing music and slow their brain waves down. It's too far apart. Too far apart. They're in high beta brainwaves, and they're trying to get them down to a very slower brainwave state. So they have to.
SPEAKER_03:Have that he's in psychosis? That's why you can't.
SPEAKER_10:You can't do that with music in the Nickelback and Noah.
SPEAKER_04:It's preferred music, so it's their preferred music that took place out of that. Yeah, I have more and more research on preferred music.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, preferred music rather than like certain types of music. That's right.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and working out as well. You know, same same thing. They're showing recoveries is higher when you're listening to the music that you like, not just the music that's going on in your gym.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. So no more nickelbag.
SPEAKER_09:Well, I I use I use what's the visor, the headpiece that I don't know. You have so much um brain tap. I was gonna say I love I love brain tapping. Yeah, brain tap works great.
SPEAKER_10:And then um I also got this new thing, Neurovisor, which plays a light show, and you like it gets you into a trance. And seriously, it's like, you know, the stuff that they say is gonna give you energy. It does give you energy and you're like awake and like changes your whole thought process. And I I always talk about it because I think it's a great way if you don't know how to meditate or get or have time for it. I think it's a great way to just kick your way in there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, trying to get those brain waves to change though, watching it on EEGs, yeah, watching the science. The fastest way I've seen is with music. Yeah, it changes because everything else you have to think through. Yeah, even your thinking, is this working on the music immediately takes you there.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So it's it's amazing because we are frequency beings. I mean, we know we all vibrate at different frequencies. We just are. Yeah, we're not just this uh physical bag that we see here, right?
SPEAKER_04:So that's how we met. We actually met through uh physical bags. I was gonna say, did we? I'm like, I don't remember that through what? Through physical. Frequency dating. It should have been dating. Someone uh you well, you tell the story.
SPEAKER_03:That's all right. I was just in an airport and I was talking about um cold lasers. I was I used to teach a lot of frequency-based medicine.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03:So I'm saying 16 Hertz for you know muscle retraction. I was given in a protocol to somebody, and somebody heard me on the phone talking about frequency and hertz, and she said, I've got to tell you about this musician because he opens up for Wayne Dyer, his music is used in hospitals, he's written a book, blah, blah, blah. And his music has been proven to be changing these frequencies and branding. So, anyway, that's how we met. Long story short. She introduced me to that gal introduced a couple years later.
SPEAKER_04:Two years later we met. So, what do you play? Uh, so I my main instrument started off as guitar, and actually, I was uh rock musician, hip hop, club music, New York City producer. So I was not expecting to move into this area, you know. What if I say um, you know, the thousands of people every night sleep with Barry Goldstein, you know, because it's true, like people are using my music. Yeah, I sleep with Barry Goldstein as is my uh is my funny. But they didn't get it. Yeah, literally, I got burnt out in the music business. Yeah. And I said, How do I get back to falling back in love with music again? Did some research and found like targeting the heart at a relaxed state, which is about 60 beats per minute. This was like almost 30 years ago now. They weren't really talking about heart entrainment or coherence back then.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And I said, What would happen if I just allowed myself to just take the journey, set my metronome like a DJ, because I I worked with DJs, I know the beats per minute. I'll set it for 60 beats per minute, and didn't think anyone was gonna listen to this type of music. The opposite of what I was doing, yeah, right, which was you had to have a hook, a chorus, you know, three minutes music, and you know, people have to be able to hum it. It was like the opposite of that, and just um, you know, started sharing it with with friends and family initially, and just found a a lot of people being able to use it in a dentist's office, yeah, for parents in hospice, and that made me want to research it more of like, okay, I know it's working, but why why is it working?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And um we now we now know now that when you move into these smooth and orderly heart rhythms, when you're in training, so you have a physical um metronome, which is our heart, obviously, yeah, it adapts to the tempo of the music. Just like when you work out, you listen to faster music, when you want to relax, you listen to slower music. This is called entrainment. And when you move into those smooth and orderly rhythms, we uh now know as well that the your brain waves start slowing down in conjunction. So there's a relationship between heart coherence and brain coherence. Yeah, and it's becoming much um much more exciting in terms of a new field that's called neurocardiology, yeah, where they're linking the two together and knowing they affect each other. And I think that's really the next step of where it's going in my world.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Because also in the that longevity and biohacking community, we're also looking for like panaceas, and this is gonna fix this. Biohacking the brain. Or biohacking the brain. Or even help. Yeah, just yeah, but again, it's it's it is individualized medicine. It's not just use this frequency for that use, for that. There's a lot more than that. Yeah, and it's geared towards your preferences, specific tempos, specific harmonics. It all kind of has to happen.
SPEAKER_06:Specific tones, beats, there's people are gonna respond to different things, and there's there's some ways, like even a lazy person will respond to a certain beat a certain way that like another person wouldn't.
SPEAKER_10:Do you think some of these, but like some of these DJs just have like I don't know if it's emotional intelligence or music intelligence, because like you see it, like some DJs they can't get anyone on a rhythm, and then some of them they're like every step of the way, they they get a rise and they make the people fall. And that's a great uh great analogy.
SPEAKER_06:It matters how many how much drugs the audience is on. Yeah, well that too, but but yeah, but you can get there without it.
SPEAKER_04:But that's what I call becoming the DJ of your life because just like everything else, you were talking about you need a program in place that people can adapt to, right? And a way to manage and navigate their energy. Yeah, so it's not just random experiences where you have that like you're laying down for the sound bath. What would happen if you decided to use some of that for sleep? Like I was listening to one of your shows, which one of you guys has problems sleeping?
SPEAKER_10:Or was it a I don't, I just I just use different ways to like and I've got pretty good control of it. But I I found that like you know, if I'm not on some peptides that are growth hormone peptides, it definitely reduces how much I I get deep sleep. So and I track everything, so I'm like pretty on top of it.
SPEAKER_06:I got up today, like eight hours 30 minutes of sleep, which is rare. That's right. Like I I usually get up at like six and a half to seven hours. Like today I was like right when I got up, I I knew I got like a lot of sleep because the like the sun was shining. But I just like I got a lot of sleep. I feel really good. But like that one the the sad part is like that one day of or it over eight hours of sleep, I feel like that that's replenished me for the week.
SPEAKER_10:But uh it it's I need to hit that one hour mark of deep sleep. I know if I hit that one hour mark of deep sleep, I'm like I want to hit the snooze button in the morning. Right. So like once I cross that path, I'm like, even if it's three in the morning, once I hit that one hour, I'm like, shit, it's gonna be tough to get out of here.
SPEAKER_03:You know, I want you I I would challenge you to not just look at your wearables, yeah, but how do you feel? Like you're saying and really make that because there have been FTC and FDA actions against a lot of the wearables because they're not as accurate as we think they are. Oh, and they give you permission. I mean, they give they you start looking at trends and you go, okay, this makes sense. But I know people that think if that says this, yeah, no matter what I'm feeling, that's gotta be right. No, I not necessarily always be listening to the box.
SPEAKER_06:Not just for like wearables, what we're talking about. It's like what we're we're taught to like think of certain measurements mean certain things, like it happens a lot, even laps and stuff, it's like it's just a marker. You that stuff changes day to day, and yeah, like wearable anxiety, like people, you know, like that's the thing, you know.
SPEAKER_10:It's like it's a real thing. My my main thing is if you know, like if I don't hit that one hour deep sleep and it shows it, I'm like, I know why I feel verification of it. But like but like I'm like, oh, I've really like sucked that sleep in tonight. You know, I gotta do something either I never get nap time during the ass time. You didn't get enough sleep last night.
SPEAKER_05:You know you're gonna tell I didn't get nap time.
SPEAKER_06:Even if your marker told you you got more than an hour, like I know you got less than acting like a jerk.
SPEAKER_04:You heard it here. That's the that is the key. Stop being an asshole. Yeah. Because I think we have to ask ourselves why do we want to live longer? Yeah, right? If you just want to live longer to be an asshole for another 20 years, yeah.
SPEAKER_10:Like look at Brian Johnson. Actually, like, it's a good idea. I mean, like, and and a lot of it, like we speak about just look at Brian Johnson. I like who looks at that guy and is like, I want to live longer like that guy. Like, I want eight years subtracted to live miserably and take 300 pills and eat broccoli for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. MRI scans every morning.
SPEAKER_04:There's that joy factor too, like you want to enjoy your life while you're being here. Yeah, how are you?
SPEAKER_06:Oh, I want to bleed my kid and take their plasma.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know about you guys. And their fecal.
SPEAKER_06:I think you just should make a plastic. I think you should be making t-shirts.
SPEAKER_04:Like, these aren't good t-shirts. You know, don't be an asshole. I want my kids plasma. Yeah, more plasma.
SPEAKER_03:Those young cells are pretty kids, aren't they?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, he does. Like, I agree with a lot of stuff he does and says, and I don't agree with everything, which is the polarizing world we're in, where it's like, oh, okay, you're you you're you're this or you're that. It's like, no, I I actually scientifically, some of the shit shit he's doing makes sense, but some of the stuff's like kind of bonkers, and he does look like a vampire, like he legit looks like a vampire. I don't know, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, what's that show in in the shadows? Oh, Barnabas Collins. Oh, yeah, Dark Shadows.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Dark Shadows, yeah. No, he's talking about something different. Oh, okay. And you're aging yourself when you're talking about dark shadows. These guys don't even know what that is.
SPEAKER_06:You might be a vampire.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:It's the guy germanium.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and the thing is, there's no one that can say when you stack all that stuff, how does it work together?
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:And then that person, yeah. We don't know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:So how can you that's where, like, yeah, that's where like your kids, bleed your kids.
SPEAKER_06:We don't know how things are going yet. So bleed your kids, take their That's the thing.
SPEAKER_10:That's that's always something that I'm like, all right. Like some people say you shouldn't stack this and this, but like, does it really make sense?
SPEAKER_03:There's certain things we know that don't do well together. You know, you can't do St. John's work with a lot of things. I mean, we know certain interactions, yeah. Others we have no clue. Yeah, and we certainly have no clue in you, yeah, or in you. How is that going to work? So I always say more's not better. I I I've got to have a real reason to put somebody on a supplement. Yeah. Then the next step is what is the quality of that supplement? Because that's a real hard problem. And here's the problem even if that supplement has a study behind it or has this, the testing that was done. I just had a conversation today with a group uh that we're looking at. When we double blind a lot of these health and wellness type functional medicine tests, that means you put the same patients, blood or whatever it is, saliva, same day, two different names, they better come back looking alike. They're not.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They're not. So how can we trust the science behind the things that we're taking if the labs are faulty?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So we're talking about we've got a lot of cleanup to do.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's why I always go back. How do you feel?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:How are you sleeping? How do you pooping? How do you, where's your energy? The basics, how's your cognition?
SPEAKER_09:How do you feel?
SPEAKER_06:Like how do you feel your cognition? Right. Right. Like exactly, exactly. Like that. Don't like don't do that. Yeah. Stop going to that same source. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So it was just that, you know, the the patient today, he doesn't have cancer. I've just, he's been a patient for a long time. Really a biohacker watching every marker, everything wants blood work all the time. But yet his blood pressures still a little high. Yeah. Cortisol's still a little bit high. Um, you know, hemoglobin A1C, even, and he doesn't put anything in his body that would cause that. It's all stress related.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Because he's stressing over being so healthy and he knows it. We laugh about it and he's getting better. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Unless the ones in there playing the program.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, that's just let me soothe you. Yeah. And I mean, seriously though, most people are not looking at stress and how they're managing their stress during your day. Why aren't they getting sleep at night?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Right. And how are they waking up in the morning? When your mind's racing. Yeah. Well, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_03:How are you, right? How do you turn it?
SPEAKER_04:You're not processing your day, right? Or you're not, and music can help you wind down to do that. And we're looking at our phones in high beta, right? Before we're going to sleep every night. Or you do you want to wind down for an hour and you know, listen to some music. My wife's gonna be sniffles.
SPEAKER_10:I have a head apparatus on like every night, and like don't comment myself going to sleep because doing breath work.
SPEAKER_00:It's better than a sleep pad. That's yeah, that's great.
SPEAKER_04:And I mean recovery too, right? I mean, sleep is one of the biggest things, even in athletes. Yeah, you know, if you want to look at how you're working out, that's great for peak performance. But we're knowing more and more that if you can get a half an hour more sleep, yeah, can you knock off a half a second at the finish line?
SPEAKER_06:And the type of and the type of sleep and the type of type of sleep. Because if you're lying in bed, that doesn't mean much. Right actually asleep, yeah, like that.
SPEAKER_03:If you're going to sleep with those brainwaves fast and incoherent, all different space. If you're going to sleep like that, you can fall asleep, but you're still dreaming like that. You're not in this smooth, orderly rhythm.
SPEAKER_06:I'm telling you, today I got up and I looked at my I I knew I got good sleep. Yeah. It was just like it was like within like the first time in like two, three weeks, I was like, This is awesome. Like this is like I feel good. And I looked on the thing as like eight and a half hours of sleep. I was like, holy shit, that's good. Two more hours than I'm what I'm used to. That's what what's that?
SPEAKER_03:But if you could do that every night, I didn't I yeah, could you accomplish it?
unknown:Well, there you go.
SPEAKER_03:Start making connections, right?
SPEAKER_06:The the main connection for me and my sleep is drinking. If I have a single drink within three to five hours, like they say, like even Peter Atia said if you don't have a drink after five, you should be fine. Yeah, like I my last drink needs to be like 3 p.m. Yeah for it to make a difference. Yeah. So I I think for for me, it's not for everybody. Like I just need to cut out alcohol.
SPEAKER_10:Some of the guys don't want to like I I think they want to keep their fan base and they don't want to say don't drink at all. Because a lot of people have their glass of wine and they think it's healthy.
SPEAKER_06:So you I gotta you know they don't want to push it like for my sleep to be normal.
SPEAKER_03:Then I say you have an APO44 if you have that gene and you have family history of Alzheimer's, you have no business. It doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_06:If you're a human being, if you have 23 chromosomes, you're gonna get up at 3 a.m. That's true and not be able to fall back to sleep.
SPEAKER_03:That's true. Alcohol later can't do it. And the older you get, the worse that all begins.
SPEAKER_06:That is very true.
SPEAKER_03:You cannot, when you were 18, you could probably do it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_03:But the older we get, um And now that I'm 19, it's a little dangerous.
SPEAKER_05:So just sleep through it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I sleep through it, like I feel like shit. Let me just sleep some more. Now when you're over 40, you're like, um let me get up and it's not as competitive processing.
SPEAKER_04:Let me look at Instagram, let me look at like Chase account and all the responsibilities. So with that 8.5, like how does that how does that move into your day? Like, what changes in your day from getting more sleep? Are you do you have more energy? Do you feel more focused? Like does it ripple out?
SPEAKER_06:Today, today I felt like I've rolled out of bed and I was just like, anytime I wake up, I feel like I got cut short of sleep. That's just how I feel from from like being like 12 years old or however long I remember. But today I was just like, I feel like I wish I could get another hour's sleep, but I was like, I feel good. And I got up, did like a 40-minute like leg exercises, resistance training, um, which I've been better about, but like I I just didn't even question it today. I felt I felt really good.
SPEAKER_03:Why did you sleep better last night? Did you look back at your day and you're not even? I didn't drink as much. Okay, that was the only confounding factor you're drinking.
SPEAKER_09:Drinking every day, I have been.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, well, there okay.
SPEAKER_06:I drank less last night. That's great. Then you make the connection drinking a lot earlier.
SPEAKER_03:Earlier. Well, there you go.
SPEAKER_06:Like saying like four or five hours earlier.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's how we learn. That's a biohack. That you say, for me, I can't, if I do this, this is what happens. You got to make connections instead of just, oh great, I got a good night's sleep, felt great today, but why?
SPEAKER_06:I also hate to admit that because it's like, okay, I'm an alcoholic. Because like my alcohol consumption is getting in the way of my like daily function. It really isn't, but it is getting in the way of my daily optimization. Yeah. Like I'm gonna skip this workout because I drank alcohol, I slept later, I didn't get up early enough to work out and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what we're always doing, right? Yeah, it's making connections. What makes me feel better?
SPEAKER_10:I have been taking supplements. I I stopped taking, I stopped drinking like three years ago. I did plenty of damage in the earlier days.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I always thought he was a robot and now I'm convinced he is a robot.
SPEAKER_10:Like my brain functions at a big time to confirm this three years. When your brain functions at a different level, you're like, I don't want to go back to that, you know, even for a day. I'm like good not to do it.
SPEAKER_06:Like, I I can't believe I keep reverting back to it. Yeah, it it's not it's not like stuff we we say people should never do, but it's like, okay, go ahead, play with it, yeah, and then come back to who you are.
SPEAKER_03:If it starts interfering with your daily life, yeah, your overall, then you say I've got a problem.
SPEAKER_04:I think I don't know, biohacking changes changes, I think the older you get too, and it changes in age. Like big time. Like I think about why do I want to live longer? Like as I get older and older, I'm moving more towards and it you be you. You it becomes very real when someone that you know is like 80, and you're like, wow, they're only 15 years older than me.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I start thinking, wow, I really want to work optimally, not just for my physical body, but for my mission, my purpose, my legacy. Like, what do I want to leave behind?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You start thinking at a different level from just the physical body of really why that's important to you to live longer. Yeah. You know, not just for measuring the things that we can see, but the things you that you can't see that you want to leave behind first for to leave your imprint. And that becomes more and more part of my biohacking.
SPEAKER_06:You're switching into like that like next stage. I was talking to my friend. It's like, because I was at her friend's dad's funeral. Like, you know you're getting old when you're going to more funerals. Right.
SPEAKER_03:That's true. Oh, absolutely. But but let me bring up this the way we're supposed to age. My dad is almost 92 years old. That's awesome. He golfs 18 holes about four days a week. If he'd do more, if you get half the time, he dances almost every night and he goes to the gym and strength trains. But he started to have some neurological shake about two years ago. I saw it, it's not Parkinson's, but Parkinsonism. This is the thing. Yes. He is very good. But he went through a horrible divorce at 89 or something. So here's the deal. He does hyperbaric oxygen, ketogenic diet. He strings trains, he does all these things, and he's got more. We're living our lives through him vicariously.
SPEAKER_00:He comes from stories and we take him somewhere he's got a date.
SPEAKER_03:Literally. Seriously.
SPEAKER_00:Finds a couple of things.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, go ahead. But so what's his passion of purpose? Ours is our work, all that. His is he's just enjoying it.
SPEAKER_06:That's what matters the most for everybody. That's right.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, my dad walks like what five to ten miles a day. That's right.
SPEAKER_06:We used to live close to him, and he was just like, we see him walking in the neighborhood. Yeah. And and he saw us like going through his loop. And Sarah, Ari, and I, my my daughter, wife, and I like stop and like, oh, this is dad. Let's say hi to him. That's right. And all he does, like, just looks up. Just like, okay, go ahead, go on. I'm on my walk. Don't interrupt. Don't interrupt. That's right. Stop being an asshole. This is my wife and kid.
SPEAKER_03:He's got his priority. This is my dad. Get your priorities in. He's like, I gotta get my steps.
SPEAKER_06:I gotta get my steps in. That's right. You little assholes cannot get in the way of that. But that's what keeps him ticking.
SPEAKER_03:That's the thing. Everybody's different. What keeps you ticking? And and we should age that way.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know, I have 40-year-olds of them coming, oh, I've got aches and pains. I'm just getting older. I said, that is never an excuse. No. In my clinic, never an excuse. I got a reason.
SPEAKER_10:Dude, I have less pain and feel healthier right now at 45 than I was at 35.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and I gotta tell you nothing is probably more of a symptom of slowing down and depression than it is an actual core problem. Where like people are like, want to blame it on something. And it's just like just stretch, just stretch every day, take a few more steps, take like 2,000 more steps a day, listen to more music. Or like what's what's going to provide you joy? These are more um more symptoms of depression than they are from you getting old, and people tend to put that into cycle and it gets out of control.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. You say, Why do you have that symptom? What happened? But if you keep asking, but why? And they say, Well, my family had it, but why did your family have it? Why why? If you keep asking, it usually comes back to an emotional something that's attached to it. It really does. And until you get to that core root, uh you're dealing with symptoms, and we're probably all pretty good at deal helping people with their symptoms. Feel better, look better, and ourselves too. Right, but it's what's that core? Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I had a patient today, I was just like the procedure will not help what you're feeling and what you see. This is this is the last thing that could be done. And I can do this procedure, I can take your money, but it's not gonna help you out. It's not gonna help the way you feel about yourself. So let's uh let's work on that and let's see how we can like what was the procedure facelift.
SPEAKER_03:You know what? And I would I just I love that, and that's a good doctor. But that's a good honest doctor, right? And I have friends, they've had three or four facelifts, you know. I mean, I'd like to have I'd like, but I'm just for me, I'm just like, no, I've got my purpose and my position.
SPEAKER_10:Like I had a patient, she came and asked me, she's like, My friends say I shouldn't change my face. I'm okay with it. I'm like, what do you want? Yeah, I'm like, what do you want? You you obviously came in here because there was something that you didn't like in your mirror. Yeah, so you're here. It doesn't matter what your friends are saying, that's right. It's because if your friends had the chance to do it, they'd probably go and do it too. Yeah, but they they can't get it done, so they don't want you to get it done.
SPEAKER_03:You know, sitting on the naturopathic medical aesthetic board, yes, I was on there because I studied in France. It was the mesotherapy and all that, just you know, the mechanical damage that you can do that help the body build some collagen. But you know, it was funny because some patients you could do one little tweak and they're happy. Thank you so much. Life has changed, they feel better and it makes them better. Yeah, but then others, no matter what how much you do, yeah, how much good work, they're not happy, they're never gonna be happy because it's inside. Yeah, they're not, they don't like who they are, no matter how good you make them look.
SPEAKER_06:That's that's how that's how we decide patients. Yeah, it's like, are they surgical candidates or not? Is are they gonna be happy if we really think they're not? Like it doesn't matter what you do, you do the best facelift, that's right, best rhinoplasty, the best boot job.
SPEAKER_10:You gotta look at their motivation, what their motivation is. Yeah, and it's gotta be their motivation, not someone else's motivation, their husband or someone else's I want you to have this. They're recently divorced, or you know, they think that's right, minor is gonna make it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, but anytime like you were saying, like they come in, they're like, my friend said they they can't do this or can't do that, is like my thing I hold inside and not say out loud is like, well, your friend's clearly ugly.
unknown:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:We can't post that one. The things you can't say, but you want to, inner thoughts and outer thoughts. But you know what?
SPEAKER_03:You guys it's refreshing to hear you though, because there are many people in the aesthetic world that would take any and all comers, take the money, hope they don't come out of the way.
SPEAKER_10:But the aesthetics is like, you know, like I've always like when people like tell me they put more than two syringes of filler in anyone, I cringe and I'm like, How do you fill that? Like, how I'm like, you know, and they're doing a face, they have no contour to their face, they're doing 10, 12 syringes, and I'm like, you might save like that lady, you might save her from getting injected by the wrong people, yeah, saying they're gonna do a liquid facelift, them injecting 10 vials that only maybe last two years, at most, at most, and then they're they're back doing it again, and it it's just making them look worse and worse. So sometimes you can give them the natural look with a facelift. Yeah, that's right. But like, no, no, you probably made the right decision. I'm just saying, just in general, these days it's like move to and I I tell them PR I'm more into PRP and fat grafting and stuff. Stuff that's natural.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, oh yeah, there's yeah, yeah. Um I I had a couple come in and and they're in their 70s, and one of them has been regularly doing chemical peels. They're both light skinned, yeah, and one has not. And it's like it's like, yeah, like I want to be able to guess that you guys were both the same age. Yeah, so like proper skincare, doing the right things, yeah, like it adds up. It sure does. And I mean, it it kills our business, is like less facelifts, less brow lifts, but um but you can do so many procedures and thin that skin so much in the long run.
SPEAKER_10:That's the shiny, the shiny people coming in. That's the shiny people coming in. You're like, you touch them and they'll just fight the stuff. I don't know if that's what stay together. Yeah, but that's why we put them in hyperbarracks right away. That's right. That's very smart. That's like I was asking you for wellness stuff, because like we have hyperbarics, we have red light therapy, or our two main things post-operative care. That's right. And we're building a surgery center, and we're gonna put like a four-person chamber in there to like be able to have more comfort. Hyperbaric is amazing.
SPEAKER_03:I'm so glad because you guys are yeah, red light, well, cold laser, red light, laser, even infrared, but red light and hyperbaric. I love that's what I have been lecturing for. My mentor was Bill Tiller. He was um in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know, but he was the science guy that nobody could understand. He was the chair of the physics department at Stanford for 40 years. He taught me the right questions to ask. So when I started talking and and and teaching docs about laser physics, yeah, red light is just so I I bought this red light mat.
SPEAKER_10:I had lower back pain for like eight months. I tried peptides, everything stretching. Yep, it wasn't getting better. I bought this red light mat. I'm like, all right, they were at the A4M meeting. Rely on it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Is it an LED or is it a laser?
SPEAKER_10:Um, it's LED and it's got infrared lights in it. Yeah, okay. It's like a six and one. Yeah, so it looks like an Alibaba thing, you know? Yeah, but it's like it said the the company says they're made in USA, but it their entire site looks like it's straight out of Alibaba.
SPEAKER_03:You know, it's assembled maybe in USA, but maybe not made in USA.
SPEAKER_10:I know. I but I feel better. I religiously go on that thing like every night. I lay on it as I'm putting my son to sleep, and it's like 30 minutes every night and two weeks, like my lower back pain completely gone.
SPEAKER_03:I challenge you, was it gonna go away without that or not? I don't think so. I had it for like eight months.
SPEAKER_10:I had it for eight months, tried everything.
SPEAKER_03:LED can work.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, LED's good laser pivot tools.
SPEAKER_10:I was, but that wasn't doing anything. I was actually getting more pain. I was gonna say that might, yeah. Yeah, I actually tried it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, it could irritate. No, red light's underutilized, and and I love it. Now I would say red light four hours away from hyperbaric, though, sometimes if it depends what cancer we do. For the you don't have to, but that's the what we are seeing in our science, the research that we've got now.
SPEAKER_06:Sorry, the the one reason I like went towards red light, yeah, is I had like two patients after nose job that came in with like, oh yeah, I have the red light mask. It wasn't like an expensive red light mask, it was like just some. It's an LED then Sephora. Yeah, it's an LED. And I I was absolutely shocked with the amount of swelling and bruising that resolved within one week. Yeah, it like we did a nose job on my brother. He he went through it all and he had horrible swelling, bruising. Yeah, like them. I was just like, can I operate on this? What am I doing right? This is great.
SPEAKER_03:That's it's exactly right. You know, post and pre even pre-surgery, using these laser techniques for 20 years now. I've been using it. And it healing fractures after surgery. They go back, and the surgeons are always like, oh my gosh, this is half the time and better effect than we would expect without it.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, it's so what's the science be behind the timing between hyperbarxes?
SPEAKER_03:Well, it's new, but it's coming out. Some of the science, uh, Dominic Dagostino is out of the University of Southern Florida. Yeah, he's funded by DARPA by the Department of Defense. He's been entrusted to look at what are the best therapies to make our super soldiers faster, better, stronger, right? So uh for Navy SEALs and I yeah. So so all of that, uh, you know, I I follow he's part of our international group, Society of Integrative Metabolic Oncology, and I know Dominic, we're good friends. So I follow what he's got going on, what he's seeing coming out of there. So right now, our our hypothesis and thought and what we're seeing is that they need to be a part. It's a hype, it's a it's just mechanisms. They may interfere with one another. They're not harmful to do it, but you're gonna get better effect if we have about a four-hour window.
SPEAKER_05:Well, no, because the data antioxidants are not.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, because we have our patients, they do hyperbarics and then they go and do the red light right after it. So it's you know, it's back to back. Yeah, for post-operative.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it depends what we're we're doing. For for cancer patients, we do red light and we'll say do that in the morning and do your hyperbaric in the afternoon or four hours apart.
SPEAKER_10:What do you think about all these uh like different lights? You know, like you uh something that's coming big in the aesthetic industry is this Elixir MD that has like yellow light post-surgery day one through three. No, no, it's like yellow light or blue light and this other garbage. And I'm like all I want is the my red light bed and network. Red light, blue light, right? Bud light. You're back to the bud light.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there you go, there you go. No sleep tonight.
SPEAKER_00:No sleep tonight.
SPEAKER_04:Not after three, after three p.m. I'll call it.
SPEAKER_05:It's like 25 bud lights and go to the times. That's right.
SPEAKER_03:You're gonna wake up a bit. So the phototherapies, I think, is the wave of the future. We need to start using it more. We need more science behind it. There's not a lot of uh people to put money behind it because there's not a lot of money to be had. But I do know, again, from my mentor, the farther you get in on that spectrum toward ultraviolet or radio frequency, whichever, you're getting more harmful. We have more science and red light in that, that visible red light in what that does. And we've got a lot of good science with that. The farther away you get from that, like lavender, we had a lavender laser that was being used aesthetically, and it was being used for weight loss and this and that. And I talked to Bill, doc Bill Tiller about it, and he said, You're way too close to the UV light. He said he thought it could be cancer causing. So and even green light.
SPEAKER_06:We didn't have the lavender scent.
SPEAKER_03:No, to go with it. Yeah. I don't think we know enough about it yet, but blue light, yes. I mean, fungal infections, we know these things can be powerful, but for the things that we're talking about, red light's a safe place to go.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, that's that's what I thought because it's got I think it's got the blue light at the beginning to maybe fight off infection or something like that. And that's okay. Yeah, there's not as much on the I know, I mean, I think that's a marking. Yeah, I was like, uh, I'd rather get my fancy red light. Yeah, and and yeah, the the red light bed we're looking at has like, I don't know, it it infuses um hydrogen, and yeah, and on top of it, you got like vibration acoustic treatment on it too. So like you're getting all starting to layer things.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I would just say with um with a full-body red laser, red light, we're a little concerned about that with cancer. If you put it over directly over a cancerous tumor somewhere because it causes angiogenesis, that new growth of blood vessels for your listeners, right? Don't put it, do a panel, do something, yeah, but don't put it right over the tumor.
SPEAKER_06:It makes perfect sense because you don't want to like hyperpower cancer.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. You don't want to give it the blood flow to grab it.
SPEAKER_06:Pretty much all our patients, the cancer's cut out. Yeah, yeah. So then we just want to.
SPEAKER_10:But not all of it sometimes. So they could still have it in their own.
SPEAKER_03:And you gotta always say, just because you get a tumor, they go, they got it all. And they go, No, they didn't never got it all. You got you got all of the tumor that you can see. Yeah. But there's cancer circulating tumor cells everywhere. So I love red light.
SPEAKER_06:That can lead you to say, like, I don't need or want any of this. So where it's like speeding up the the blood supply and everything to whatever it is, you know, skin subcutaneous cells, sure. Like it it's uh it's always a balance. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:So but are you kicking more immune cells to kill the cancer too?
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's the thing. I mean, you know, you've got a bulk of a tumor, always take that. In my opinion, you take that out. Let the immune system have a chance to help take that out. Yeah. I had a a physician, I've had several physicians that have come and said, I will never do surgery. They had their they found out they had cancer, and I go, What are you thinking? Yeah. Here, come on, let's do just some basic common sense here. Take out the bulk of the tumor. Yeah. And now let's do all the things that we're talking about doing. But no, angiogenesis, we've got to be careful with that blood supply.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Yes. I think once it's cut out, you gotta feed the rest of your system as well as it's a good thing. Of course. Well, that's that that's my thought process.
SPEAKER_10:Well, that's how metabolic we do. Yeah, I think you do it with hyperbaric. You do, hyperbaric and red light.
SPEAKER_03:You do. It's just even though it's cut out, feed you know, everything in your body.
SPEAKER_09:Not not hyperbaric.
SPEAKER_03:Hyperbaric kills off your cancer cells. It decreases tumor cells uh size. This changes the tumors.
SPEAKER_06:Like what you're arguing technically could feed the hyperbaric oxygen.
SPEAKER_03:It's not hyperbaric. It drives that oxygen right into the cell.
SPEAKER_06:So But that cell can have a tumor in it.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, but tumors don't survive on oxygen. That's exactly right. It's not necessarily tumors on oxygen. It's very rare tumors.
SPEAKER_05:No, it doesn't. You could feed the tumor with the You know, it's all good hypothesis, right?
SPEAKER_03:But I will say the science is as far as we know right now with hyperbaric, we see it as being protected. Tumorgenic. And yeah, I believe it too.
SPEAKER_06:I'm just I'm playing the devil's. We should always do it.
SPEAKER_03:No, but it's brother, so I want to disagree with that. It helps with hemosensitivity and um and radiosensitivity. Hyperbaric helps you use less of those things with a better effect. Yeah. So when we start looking at that, we go, okay, let's play with conventional medicine. Um, for cancer, you've got to be at 2.1 and above, right?
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:You've got to be in a hard shell. If you're doing aesthetic and you're doing anti-aging, you can be in the soft shell.
SPEAKER_10:It's got a hard, soft shell, though. It goes to the city. Can you get to 2.1?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So 2.1 and above, 2.1, 2.4, it depends on the size of the tumor that we'll do.
SPEAKER_10:But like you said, you guys have two atmosphere.
SPEAKER_03:Most of yours are post-surgical.
SPEAKER_10:Most of ours are post-surgical. We don't post surgical, right? We're not treating their can't be.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Right. Yeah. Which we're not allowed to either, but but our science is showing that it's happening. Yeah. We think it'll be an indicated soon with the amount of science. But with what you guys are doing, you don't need to be.
SPEAKER_10:As long as Donald Trump doesn't say it. Keep it out of his mouth. And Aceta. And I voted for him, but I'll vote for him again. Yeah?
SPEAKER_06:You know what? We look at the alternative. Yeah. I know. Melania Trump definitely ate a shit ton of Tylenol when she was pregnant with Baron Trump. Yeah. According to what's been released today.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my gosh, really? I haven't seen the news today. Okay.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, Tylen. That was the Tylenol thing.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I know that was about autism and autism.
SPEAKER_06:Today was the big announcement that Tylenol is the.
SPEAKER_09:Well, no, we knew that, but like or did he say something about Baron Trump is seems autistic as fuck.
SPEAKER_06:Smart as heck, though. Yeah. Supposedly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Watch that kid and what he's been doing. I'm pretty impressed.
SPEAKER_06:When you have the type of clout that he does, yeah. Where like where like somebody else's kid might not have that type of clout. Like I don't underestimate how smart he is. And I actually like think like what Donald Jr. and Eric have done is actually very, very smart. I won't take that away from them. But he's definitely on the spectrum. And his dad comes out and says, This big finding says it's about Tylenol, so Melania must be taking a shit ton of Tylenol.
SPEAKER_01:But that's a good hypothesis.
SPEAKER_06:About the Tylenol leading to autism. I do think the reason you need to take Tylenol in pregnancy is because of fevers and pain. You've gone through some stuff, and that stuff might lead to the autism with the birth. Probably lack of oxygen. I don't know. Right.
SPEAKER_03:But you know the whole causation thing. Yeah. Right? Just because something correlates doesn't mean it's caused by now. In time we're gonna know. Time will have enough numbers in value, numbers of people and stuff to know. Yes.
SPEAKER_06:How many pregnancies did you go through? Just one. So you did you take Tylenol or not?
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, I've never, I don't think.
SPEAKER_10:I know I don't look I'm just trying to figure out when you would actually take Tylenol. Because as an adult, you fight through your fevers unless you're in a couple of things. Oh, it's a pregnancy. Yeah. I just think would you have to have the same sort of taking something?
SPEAKER_05:As a as a pain.
SPEAKER_01:Would have been the one thing for a possibility.
SPEAKER_10:I'm gathering my feces to cleanse all pregnant females and you'll be good.
SPEAKER_05:It always comes together.
SPEAKER_06:It's true though. There's a lot of correlative stuff that like people like don't put pieces together. And like it just came to me today as like, because somebody was like, this is the only drug that's available for for people that have fevers during pregnancy. I was like, why are they having fevers?
SPEAKER_03:That's that would be the question.
SPEAKER_10:So if you're having an infection, that's like you know, that's gonna that could cause whatever, you know.
SPEAKER_03:And you know, and it also could create antibodies so that the baby's immune system learns how to fight that thing that the mom's fighting. It's called a vaccine type.
SPEAKER_06:I yeah, they probably got a mom or the I was gonna say they probably got a vaccine, or the mom's fighting the baby. Like it's it's I don't know, it can happen.
SPEAKER_03:What what happened yeah, years before? I just I always say less is more, right? Less is more. More is not more is not better. I did I don't know one else.
SPEAKER_06:Did a few years of research at Harvard, uh an immunology lab that was transplant related, but it's just like some of it doesn't make fucking sense. And you have uh physicians and like really top-notch physicians like fighting staunchly because there's one or two papers and being like okay, there's uh nothing on the other side. I don't want to say they're wrong, they might be right because those two papers are really strong, but like going on the other side, you're just like dude, just just be a scientist.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. You're supposed to question yourself today.
SPEAKER_06:You're supposed to question yourself, your own results. Right you don't want to like like make your results facts and then make a story behind to fit that that's right. Yeah, like my my uh PI principal investigator in Boston, he very close to getting like a Nobel Prize, and like I was asking him, I was like, like going through a few different studies because I had a few different findings, and he's like it doesn't matter what you're searching, if you're what you're searching for is strong enough, it doesn't matter how your findings are. Like if you're like even if it's a negative finding, you're like, I studied to show this, and this was a bunch of bullshit, and like you're proven wrong, like that's gonna be very informative for a ton of people going down the same research line. If you like you gotta like that tells like 50% of the field to be like, stop doing this, right? Stop this and look here.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. So but you know, name a study. Can you guys name a study that you would say was 100% unbiased?
SPEAKER_06:Namaste study.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, yeah, yeah. Not not not you can't help it even because I've been a PI, I have a research company. And you you even though you're trying to be unbiased, you want to design this in an unbiased way to look and see does this work or does this not? And what are the things that we would normally test for to see is it working or is it not? But you can't help. My bias got in there.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, you can't help it.
SPEAKER_03:Like I have a of my experience.
SPEAKER_06:I have a few published papers and stuff, and there there's biases in each of those papers.
SPEAKER_03:And all of them, that's what I mean. You can't help it.
SPEAKER_06:You yeah, exactly. You try, you're honest.
SPEAKER_03:You you're honest, you get but you there's no yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Somebody's somebody's gotta publish me or give me money or something. So it's it's the best route I could take for for making this paper the right way.
SPEAKER_03:Do you guys agree? And Barry, you too. I mean that the more you learn and the more you know, the more you know that we don't have a clue. Yeah. We don't know. The smarter. I get the more information I have in my head of everything that I know in all these areas, the more I realize we really don't know a lot of this.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That just means that you just don't know.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, that just means you're looking and you're open-minded. You have to otherwise, like, if you're gonna be closed-minded, you're gonna be like, I know everything. There's a limited amount of information, and I know most of it.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, it's always like question those. And you see how much information's out there. That's right, that's right. And that's why AI is AI is bringing a lot of that together.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we just lectured the United Nations about AI. Yeah. And how we can use it. And I I talked about medicine and women's health, and you did intuition and and emotional and spiritual medicine.
SPEAKER_04:I was gonna say with music though, I mean there's only you know, there's there's 12 notes, and to see people, right, yeah, who just continue to blow you away. Like, how are they doing that? Yeah, like especially like with things online, and you're you're seeing things that you would never would have seen, some kid in the middle of nowhere who's like playing guitar like you've never seen it played before. Yeah, and I remember when Stanley Jordan came out and he was doing the double-handed guitars and all that. We thought it was amazing. Now we're seeing so many different things at the same time as AI and and music is changing there. Yeah, there's still people are still thriving for that one-on-one, that live performances, and that's why we're seeing so many concerts growing out because we're spending so much time right learning about all these new tools, yeah, yeah, that we need more downtime and we need to connect more with people. Yeah, so you have two a lot of going excitement going on, and then people looking for new ways to de-stress and connect. Yeah, so there's a lot more we're learning, I think, about humanity too, and even flow states, right? You were talking about flow states, getting to flow states, right? We're learning a lot more of how you can get there and the importance of it, you know. And it's not it's not more thinking, it's emptying the mind out that gets you into those flow states and those peak states.
SPEAKER_06:So, yeah, it's great to be learning all these new things, but at the same time, I would say emptying your mind out, but and not thinking, but it is actually thinking. Right. And it it is analyzing, it's active. Yeah, it is an active process internally in the mind. So I don't clearing out the but the more you get the mind out of the process, to get inactive. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. Like anything else, you you know, the more that you practice something and exactly the more you have an experience with it. And like even with the soundbath, getting back to that, you know, when you had that one experience, and I think you even said it, then you wanted to do that again.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And you knew that you can get there doing it. You have an experience and a basis for that. It's easier to get to because you something that was going on even not doing, right?
SPEAKER_06:Even even surgical, or most people in like sports and stuff, they think through the process of that situation. Where like most of the stuff that we do, people are like, oh yeah, you're thinking like an artist, like, no, I'm kind of fucking brain dead. Like I'm doing what I'm saying, I wouldn't call it. I wouldn't call it brain dead, but it's like I'm I'm doing what I'm supposed to turn off the analytical mind so that we can be more creative. Yeah. Shut off certain parts and activate other parts. Yeah. It's it's that meditative.
SPEAKER_10:We've seen it with sleep, meditation.
SPEAKER_04:Access that as well. And he was a musician. A lot of people don't know he played violin and piano. In his memoirs that his his um kids wrote, they said they hear him from the other room going, after he played violin, I got it, I got it. Right? So accessing another part of the brain where he wasn't having to think, but he still was doing something. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_06:So so, like in surgery, obviously, we're not like overreacting or anything, but um just knowing your next move. You know, you know what to do when you know, yeah, mental rehearsal, yeah. Mental rehearsal is like top-notch athletes do it all the time. Absolutely. Like I listen to they know the next move. I listen to Wayne Rooney, uh, soccer player, which I don't listen to athletes because of this, but it's just like he's going over like, oh, the cross is coming in this way, and I'm like, am I gonna bicycle kick it? Am I gonna bring it down my chest and then kick it? And I hate to think of myself as an athlete or whatever, but like that is kind of the same thought process.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, tell me who you work with. Tell them who you utilizes your music and why. This is interesting. Tell them who you're working with.
SPEAKER_04:Who am I working with now?
SPEAKER_03:Deepaccio Brian.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, Dave, um, I've done music with Dave Asprey and and 40 Years of Zen and provided tones for that. Dr. Joe Dispenza, I've done uh a lot of music for for meditation.
SPEAKER_00:These are the leaders in the field of what we're talking about. Daniel Eyman, Daniel Eyman as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:I liked his books before this new book, 40 years of Zen. Horrible. I can listen through it. Heavily meditated. I think I do want to go to his 40 years of Zen, but it seems like he's pitching it for the 40 years of Zen.
SPEAKER_04:Well, 40 years of Zen has been around for a while.
SPEAKER_10:Did you guys do it?
SPEAKER_04:I've did uh a home version of it. I was bigger testing it. Because they used some of his deal of uh devices.
SPEAKER_10:Because my wife wants to do something to like just quite a bit.
SPEAKER_04:I think it's pretty deep emotionally. It's not just like you know, biohacking with brain things. A lot of it is about letting go of trauma and yeah, it's all just like written now, just like reading through his.
SPEAKER_10:It just seems like he's trying to sell a lot of stuff in that book, and he brings up 40 years of Zen, which is his thing, and upgrade labs. Yeah, it's just like repetition, repetition. I'm like, come on.
SPEAKER_04:But I think it is I would say one, I think it's a it's a good direction for biohackers to be thinking about too, that there are things that they can do inside of them as well that they can access with you know without having to, or adding it to, right? Well, let's try something that's non-invasive completely, right? And that you can access, yeah, you know, utilizing a practice, utilizing your mind, and getting into a practice of managing yeah your stress more effectively. And I think that's a a direction that um needs to be looked at, and I think that's why it's going to be a good thing.
SPEAKER_10:And what people don't see is like with meditation and sleep and clearing out your brain of the bad stuff, yeah. It's like, you know, even and I've said it before, like answering to my wife, you know, like when I don't meditate or get that sleep, you're like you're short fuse, and you answer wrong. But like when you do the meditation, you get the proper sleep, clear out the head. You're like, she says something, you take a few seconds to just make it make sense to you, and like you you like answer almost immediately, and it makes sense, and it it like makes them feel like you're there. Where like present when you don't have that clear mind and you're not you're not expressing yourself the way you should.
SPEAKER_06:I think one of the worst things is in an argument with your wife, if you're wrong, the only thing Which is always but go to the right. The only thing worse than that is if your wife is wrong. Yeah, that's right. That's all right.
SPEAKER_04:You have a wife who's wrong. Wait, yeah, I don't think I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah. If she's wrong, and I think you are right. You're right about um that with meditation and for me it's creative. Like if I don't get behind a keyboard every day and I'm not creative, then I'm a lot uh more you know, able to have a knee-jerk reaction to something that she would say to me or someone else. But if I give myself that time to do that, I find that I can manage my energy more effectively, and ultimately that's what it is. I mean, it's it's energetic management. You don't want to be spending your energy, you know, and getting into a fight for no reason. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:And I find like I I find I get a lot more moody too. If I don't work out, I do like quick like resistance band workouts, and like I'm like, I just need to do that. I'm like, I'm like, I haven't done it for three days.
SPEAKER_06:I I need to get on there because like as a musician, I just uh curious thing. Have you ever played shitty music on purpose?
SPEAKER_04:Uh not on purpose, but I mean uh I have, I mean, I went to a stage I went to a stage of songwriting, and like I thought I could write in any genre, right? Yeah, and I remember literally thinking I wrote the best country song that was ever written. And to this day, my friends are teased will still tease me about that one song. Yeah, it was called Champagne and Roses. It was really it was really bad. Was it? Yeah, it was really bad. And I wrote a a couple punk rock songs that I thought were great.
SPEAKER_03:You know, but but I don't know you've said this yet. I mean, I'll say it for him because he doesn't do it enough. He won a Grammy for producing Les Paul, the inventor of the electric guitar. Nice, but um for best rock instrumental, yeah, and but now he's known for this healing music, music and the medicine your book and all the studies behind it, limbic deactivation, all the science behind music and medicine.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I think everyone here is probably in the same same area where you have to practice a certain amount and make mistakes, right? To get to that level where you can go on autopilot, where you can mentally rehearse. Yeah, think about like um Curry or Jordan, right? They would say they they went through mental rehearsal every shot. Curry would shoot how many shots to get to that place of mastery where they cannot think about it.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So you have to make those mistakes to know what you don't want to do, yeah, right, and also to become more expertise out in your lane. Yeah, and that's how to find my lane.
SPEAKER_06:And that adds onto it layer by layer with your experience. That's it.
SPEAKER_04:And you gotta say, okay, well, I guess country's not my lane, punk's not my lane. I didn't definitely didn't think like you know, music for sleep was going to be my lane. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's the other part. Meditation, you know, sometimes you have to pivot and you diversify into other areas um that suddenly, you know, change when when you're you change your whole life. You know, there's a fork in the road. Yeah, and you said, Oh man, okay, I think I am, I think I'm gonna go this way. And that was like right after the Grammy.
SPEAKER_06:You're just like, I'm I'm really good at this. I'm really good at this, and this is helping a ton of people out. Is like I I gotta like go full ass into the stuff.
SPEAKER_10:That's how I got into like the whole anti-aging thing, too. Like, I I I was a fat mess. Like, after we had our first kid, I ate all the crap my wife ate, like when she wanted to order out, so I gained a ton of weight, and like you know, but like when it I got timed down, I'd just be on my phone, like reading different articles about health and wellness and stuff. And I'd always been interested, I've always been in the health and wellness industry, but like all of a sudden, like you know, with peptides and everything, I was like, all right, let's try this and this, and started trying stuff at home myself. And I was like, Oh, this feels great. And then, like, you know, I started talking to my nurse practitioner about it. She she like it got her fired up right away, and then like me and her would have conversations, and like really we both like started to master it, and like we're like, we got to take this to our patients now, you know, and it it's helped so many patients. It's like you just it just tried different things because you know, surgery like I I did thousands of surgeries, like the first five years. I like I don't think I really took time off, and I was operating like crazy. So you you kind of burn yourself out, but like the this brought like new joy and love into medicine. Um and you know, this and then picked up more on the aesthetic stuff and like where I'm able to help out people because one of the main things was like doing you know, patients would come in and like I see all these people like doing surgeries on patients with BMIs like 40, 50, and I didn't even get that high. And but I was like, all right, am I doing these people any good? I'm making fat a little less fat, and it just does not feel right to me, you know. Like we gotta help them out in other ways before.
SPEAKER_06:Like be like, okay, I shouldn't have done that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but you were trying in the moment, you're thinking I'm helping, and then you're gonna be able to do that. This is the best option. That's right, and then you look and say, Okay, let me get to the root cause, but that takes time. Yeah, it takes time to get to that root cause.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, that's what I I'm always like hearing people say from the other room, not just patients, but everyone that you work with. You ask, oh no one's ever asked me that question before. That's a great question. And I think that's what uh drives you as well, is just you ask great questions and that helps to get people get to the other.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, it's it's it's seriously with like yeah, what she does. It's like it's incredible. It's it is seriously like taking that extra few minutes that we're we're not just trying to plug holes. Right. You know, we're we're physicians here to fix you as a whole instead of just plug holes. And that's that's what you don't get in medicine these days. You you want insurance to cover your stuff. You're gonna go in there and they're gonna patch this up, so it leads to the next thing, so it leads to the next thing. They're writing you four different medications uh for the same thing, which they could have resolved the first the first day.
SPEAKER_03:So it's not a cure, no, not a cure, it's symptom management and you know, hoping the body will get better once you can come in, play keyboard for them.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's the I don't do house calls. He doesn't do house calls in. It's like I know you don't like your results, I got a guy. Wish it was that easy, Doug. I I wish it was that easy. That would be so great.
SPEAKER_10:But the other interesting thing I found uh like you do a course at ASU, or do you still do the course? I did.
SPEAKER_03:I so for 18 years I developed it. I wrote it and developed it, and I stopped during um the pandemic because certain mandates, and I said, I have a voice of my own. And so for 18 years, and it was um ancient healings for uh modern times, and it had to be a master's level, so it was mostly doctors and nurses or social work, people that wanted to know more about homeopathy, naturopathy, Aervedic medicine. What are all these things?
SPEAKER_06:You'll hear about Aerovetic medicine.
SPEAKER_03:Aervedic is older than traditional Chinese medicine. Yeah, so it's a way you look at your dosha, kind of like your constitution, and it's just the way you should eat, the types of foods, all those things. It's like Chinese medicine, but it was actually older and predated.
SPEAKER_01:And there's still a lot of it, it's interesting.
SPEAKER_03:A lot of that's what Deepak Chopra's. Um I went to his training in Aerovedic many years ago, Aerobetic medicine, and still I think they still do that. I'm not sure. But it's just an ancient way of looking at the body holistically, as we started this conversation, right? Holistically, you look at the whole body, your personality, how you were born, all those things. And there are things that we, you know, that you look at and you go, okay, I can see that you're this dosha.
SPEAKER_10:Which is ha have you thought about doing that as like uh you know, like a as an online learning class at all?
SPEAKER_03:Uh they wanted me to, so here's what I'm doing. I've got a podcast about to pop with uh with uh Les Brown. You know who Les Brown is, right? Motivational Les and I because he's my patient and he has cancer. Well, actually, no evidence now.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But um because he was we were getting he would in the middle of the night be texting me from Atlanta going, here's an influencer, they just said this. What about this for my cancer? I'd say, no, no, not yet. We don't know enough. So that and I have a television show, it's a debate format between conventional and alternative. We've never done it in medicine, we do it in politics all day long. We have never heard both sides together.
SPEAKER_10:The conventional is gonna get crushed.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's the problem. That's why it couldn't be on a typical station, kind of kind of and not, but so when we did the pilot at PBS, I had two uh board-certified cardiologists, right? Traditionally, yeah. One was Stephen Sinatra, I don't know if you guys knew who that was, but in the holistic world Frank's brother.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. He showed up, long hair, you know, like a tie-dyed shirt, and then on the other side, Dr. Thames, both board certified, and he's in a bow tie, his pants are too short, and he's showing his white socks. You know, I couldn't have dressed them more perfectly. So it was like, so at the beginning, very nice as we do as physicians, let's talk. And then by the end, one was saying, You sound like the tobacco industry 20 years ago, and the other one's going in your story's pie in the sky because you're gonna have science behind it. So it and my job was to bring it back into the middle, moderate, but also hold both to their strengths and weaknesses. One was saying, go do cokin and co q10, and I said, That's great, but what about the quality? Are you talking about that? Yeah, what are they putting in their body? So, my job, because I'm licensed in both, was to be able to do that. So that's so to answer your question, I got bigger things along that, but it's a nice course because people want to learn about those ancient traditions.
SPEAKER_10:I think it's yeah, I think a lot of them circle back, and we've talked about it because we're we're Persian and like a lot of the old Persian, like the like our parents eat pomegranate, that's right, marberies, bourberines, berberine, yeah, which is all gum and map. Cherry juice.
SPEAKER_05:That's right, that's right. All that's the best exercise. Mama's like, wherever you got jumping jacks like you do jumping.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. But mom's chicken soup. Now we know why. Oh, yeah. It's the trip to fan. Now we know why those things, but they knew over centuries, of course, they know what was working.
SPEAKER_07:Yes, work.
SPEAKER_03:That was part of my UN talk.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It was like, let's, these botanicals, you know, 80% of our meds have come from botanicals.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We've only identified at most 30% of what the world has to in medicines for us. Yeah. We haven't even begun to look at those plant medicines. So all those ancient healing traditions, we have a lot. And I say, let's go to some of those countries and say, what are you still using? Okay, this is what you use for this. Let's study it. Let's have a business for them to help their local people and do, you know, I mean, somebody needs to do that.
SPEAKER_06:So anytime I get like a slight congestion or cough, I just go eat whatever grass and plants are in my backyard. Cures everything.
SPEAKER_00:I don't want to ask what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, did they just round up on it?
SPEAKER_10:Yes, he makes sure it's a golf course.
SPEAKER_03:One of the most toxic places on the planet. It's of course my dad's a lot of people.
SPEAKER_06:Like, knock on the wood, I have just not gotten that sick. Yeah. I got sick like once in the last six years. Yeah. Where like I got the flu and I was like, uh I can't do shit for like three days. But that was that's a good immune system.
SPEAKER_03:You're kicking it within three days. You studied immunology.
SPEAKER_10:He doesn't travel a lot either. He's got to travel across country a few times.
SPEAKER_06:I'm the dirtiest motherfucker that to live. If you got the microbiome, shower less, yeah, use less soap, like eat dirt, like just do the nasty. The whole microbiome thing. There's truth in that. Tells you not to do go for it.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. You know the hygiene theory with kids.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. Right?
SPEAKER_03:If you let them, you they drop the pacifier, you're not supposed to go sterilize it. You're supposed to have them introduced microbiome. They are healthier. Yeah. But we kept them too sterile and clean.
SPEAKER_10:I think we could use that.
SPEAKER_03:No, that doesn't count. You still have to do the dishes.
SPEAKER_05:They say reusing dishes with crusty lasagna. That's bacteria growth. We gotta just say that's a little bit more. No, you can still do that. That still goes along the lines of what you're arguing.
SPEAKER_01:Well, if you're gonna do that, let's see.
SPEAKER_10:That might be carcinogenic because it's burnt.
SPEAKER_01:Well, there you go.
SPEAKER_05:You have to look at what is don't overcook food that you don't properly.
SPEAKER_03:When you have histamine, people have histamine responses from lift over you. It's individual, we're back again.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe your body's used to the bugs.
SPEAKER_06:That's the thing, like arguing like throughout COVID, and like again, did a ton of research in in an immunology lab uh prior to residency, and it's like there's a balance. Like your immune system as a human being is reliant more on memory than it is on how it fires off. So like when you're young, your thymus is big, you can have a big response to like a big infection, and gradually over your over time, like when when you're like 28 years old, your thymus is non-existent, even on imaging. But what shifts in your body from like these like not just natural killer cells, but like your innate immunity to attack these shifts more towards memory cells, like key memory cells, all these memory cells, so your body builds an immune response. So like you're not teaching your system to develop that, that's a big like decline in like what you can fight off when you get older. So when you get older, the way to think of it is your immune system needs to be more efficient. It's not as it's not robustly as efficient. Yeah, it just needs to adapt more to it. So yeah. I don't know. I don't know where you're going with that.
SPEAKER_03:No, but but it's it it's that's true. And then we talk about the microbiome.
SPEAKER_06:I heard you guys say energy to have the same response to an infection.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we're about to mitochondria too, ATP.
SPEAKER_06:You need your innate system to be able to respond to that system.
SPEAKER_03:And what helps hyperbaric oxygen? Yeah, that's yeah, those things.
SPEAKER_10:NAD with your hyperbaric oxygen. That's I'm not I'm not 100% on NAD yet.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I'm like from the cancer standpoint. I like NAD just because it makes me feel better.
SPEAKER_03:Sure it does, but so could cocaine and some other thing. I'm just I'm not but all I'm saying is cocaine too. So yeah, you might not want to. I didn't do no, I've never tried anything. I'm like the person here that maybe is the one that's never tried.
SPEAKER_04:We might as well have a uh beer to wash it down.
SPEAKER_03:There's a little signal that we're a little concerned.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_03:Because you know, if you read you know Sinclair's book, I said, did anybody read the last chapter that we don't know enough yet to be careful with cancer? That's all I would say. Um we would never, and so I was trying to get a C of A and get the the things that I make. Yeah, all my companies do that I utilize to give me the the testing. And it was the biggest, and well, I'll just say in one company, I said, give me this analysis, and they go, No. And I said, What do you tell people who have cancer? Oh no, it can can never be. So I'll tell you one thing.
SPEAKER_06:Whatever you fuel your body with can fuel a cancer cell.
SPEAKER_03:Of course. Well, sugar is the number one, one of the main things. And that stress does that too.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, but the there's like pretty much everything you consume that gives you energy will in one like pathway or another, fuel cancer cells. So you can argue that point to not.
SPEAKER_03:I don't I would counter, I would counteract that.
SPEAKER_06:I would it's like it's it's gotta be like what no, it's there's cells. Cancer cells are cells, right?
SPEAKER_10:Your body is cells, but but there's there's certain energy stuff that's gonna be more anti-cancer.
SPEAKER_03:Cancer can only use glucose, it can't use ketones. Yeah, normal cells can and help fight. So there's different fuels for the different types, right? Do you agree with that? That cancer uses different fuels. So read Dr. Tom Seafried. I want you to start following, I want you to say C Fried. Kind of, kind of. Okay.
SPEAKER_06:But like there's a lot of arguments for like what you can again, what what what fuels cells is also gonna be the same thing that fuels cancer cells. I would maybe I'm just saying, like, even stem cells, like wrote a couple of chapters on this mesochinal stem cells, right? It's great use cases, but if you can't make sure they go along a certain line. 100% agree with you there. 100% agree. We gotta be careful with that. The fuel fuel, I don't think we're anywhere close to figuring out the fuel. There's certain things that definitely aggravate and lead one way or another. Like if you're hyper-estrogen, like a lot of fats, and your body's turning a lot of those fats to estrogen, and that's constantly like berating your cells. But there's there it's it's not it's not very discreet.
SPEAKER_03:So I want you guys to get Dr. Tom Seafried. I'll ask him to do a podcast with you at a Boston College. He's written the book, Mitochondrial Health for You know, Cancer, the Mitochondrial Disease of uh the Krebs. So we know there's two pathways that feed cancer only to only two. So I want you to, we won't spend too much time on this, but right now we think we're pretty clear on that. That's why stress and glucose need to be reduced in cancer patients, because that's the fuel. When it doesn't have that and only has ketones, cancer cannot use ketones as fuel. But your brain can, which it loves it, body does. That's why we put them in a ketogenic diet. So it would be a fascinating conversation.
SPEAKER_06:I'd love it because I actually disagree with that. I I personally think it's it's uh you give it fuel, it's but if it doesn't know how to process it.
SPEAKER_03:That's it, it can't utilize it. So it's it's a phosphorylity.
SPEAKER_10:That's all that's that's a whole problem with the NAD itself, right? That's right. Because, like, no, and we're coming out up with NMN night. The idea is that the cell, you can take it whatever way you want, but it's not going to be so we have done quite a bit, Dominic Dagostino and Dr.
SPEAKER_03:Tom Seafried, and then we've got our international group from Cambridge to everybody. The science that's coming out, it's fascinating. I think it's worth another look. Oh, yeah, I'd love to hear the conversation. I'd love to hear the conversation. But I I I would say that I'm on the so far in what I've seen with the cancer patients that I work with worldwide, is that when we're utilizing these therapies that block those two pathways, that's when the oncologists are going, okay, whatever you guys are doing, this is great. Yeah, this is good. So, yeah, uh it'd be another conversation, right? Definitely definitely. It'd be fun. That's what we're supposed to do. Yeah, yeah. In medicine and in science.
SPEAKER_05:That's why we do this podcast as well. I know.
SPEAKER_06:We have a bunch of stuff that watch, just watch his YouTube.
SPEAKER_03:You look in Tom Seafried, and I think you'll find it fascinating. He's got some good hard science. Good hard science on this.
SPEAKER_01:Cool.
SPEAKER_03:And then the other thing that we you need to do a podcast on is the difference between male and female brains, convergent and divergent thinking, and how there's different parts of the brain. Yeah, that's my point.
SPEAKER_04:I can't even understand what she's saying right now. We'd probably be lost.
SPEAKER_03:That's that's because you guys can only use one side of your brain at once.
SPEAKER_10:I'm trying to tap in both sides.
SPEAKER_03:Women are never can turn it off. It's always tapping in both sides. You guys can only do one at once. And that's good. It's all good and bad, you know, in different ways. But it's fascinating.
SPEAKER_04:But music uses both sides of the brain. Yeah, but not at once.
SPEAKER_03:And female. No, not the ones. Not at once. Not at once.
SPEAKER_05:You guys never cross the floor and I'm busy using this side of the brain.
SPEAKER_06:Vacuuming is on the other side of the brain.
SPEAKER_05:So I'm gonna have to ask you to vacuum because you're so like multifactory.
SPEAKER_04:You're really gonna ruin it from me. You told her you vacuumed.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no, not in neutral. I'm saying I don't.
SPEAKER_03:You can see it in neutral. You can tell if it's a male or female fetus by the brain. By the brain.
SPEAKER_05:By the brain. By the brain.
SPEAKER_03:By the brain structures. We have a larger, more active, intuitive. No, yeah. No. Well, men can never vacuum.
SPEAKER_10:No.
unknown:I know.
SPEAKER_10:Well, I don't want to. I don't know. You don't want it.
SPEAKER_03:Because you don't want it to be good. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_10:If it's good, though you can ask the next time. Just be a little dirty. You know what?
SPEAKER_06:I can afford a roomba.
SPEAKER_01:You know, like it just does get in the corner.
SPEAKER_06:Roomba fucking sucks, but it does an okay job. And it definitely does a way to jump in the way we put them all out over the.
SPEAKER_03:But just saying a female might be able to turn on the roomba and take care of this and this and this and this and do 10 things at once. Oh, the female will be a few. It's just our brains are made differently. It's not one's better. You know, I say we we teach that in corporate, is that you know, you've got a team, you've got male and females. And it used to be that everybody would say we've got to have a quota, we need more females at the C level. So they hired them in, and then everybody started quitting, and they said, Oh, it's work-life balance.
SPEAKER_06:I'd like to argue against you, but he's giving me that look. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But it's another show until you're not going to be able to do it.
SPEAKER_06:Even if you're right, you're fucking me over, man. Prove to her I could do any more than that. Yeah. I can't vacuum it off.
SPEAKER_05:I can't.
SPEAKER_03:I don't want to be in the middle of the composition. I can't be. Oh, that's why we have somebody clean. So that's why we have somebody.
SPEAKER_06:But we need to clean this to do a little bit cleaner.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's a little bit. We have to clean, and I've said you have to pick up and straighten up so they can. That was a whole new thing.
SPEAKER_05:I know.
SPEAKER_10:I'm like, she's like, they're gonna think we're dirty. I'm like, who the who the fuck cares?
SPEAKER_01:It's not up or they can't clean. These are the downsides.
SPEAKER_10:Your house is different.
SPEAKER_06:But when you're at a hotel and my wife's like trying to tidy up the place, I'm like, that I don't know, but these are the downsides of having both sides of your brain firing at the same time. Yeah. You're battling against each other. It doesn't make sense. No, it didn't make it. The cleaning to clean, the cleaner's coming. Like, no, you don't. The cleaner is coming to clean.
SPEAKER_03:It's convergent divergent. The best example I've got. If there's a, if there's a if there's a bear about to come in here and attack us.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I want to make sure my kitchen is fucking. Yeah, well, a female would be saying murdered by a grizzly bear and the dirty dishes in my skin. You got it. That's convergent.
SPEAKER_03:A woman, if that bear gets killed, do they have what would have happened in the room? Do they have babies? Women always think about the consequences of every decision. Men go boom. And it's that way in corporate, too. You've got to make a decision.
SPEAKER_04:Sometimes and creative too. Like I could have I can micro my studio can have things all over the place, right? In order for her to be creative, the house has to be clean, everything's gotta be in the right place. I can have cartons of Chinese food all around me and still be able to create him. I'm in a zone, and she can't get a zone unless things so we all have our different uh that's true, but male and female brings up different things.
SPEAKER_10:That's totally male-female, because my my wife's like, I gotta have the spotless. Like I'm like, well, just do your work. This is gonna take more time.
SPEAKER_05:I can't focus on my work.
SPEAKER_10:Right, exactly. I don't have enough time for this, but I'm gonna go clean the whole house. Clean enough.
SPEAKER_05:It's what you have to do. I can't focus on this.
SPEAKER_06:I was like, what else can I do? Let me let me polish your iPad. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Whatever good answer. Yeah. That's a good answer.
SPEAKER_03:Whatever it's. That's right, that's right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:So outside this, I was gonna ask you a question. So my outside of that. So you you know a lot about lasers, red light. So what's a good one? Because like my shoulder from all the liposuction, it is like, you know, and I I used to do heavy body. He always is on the right side. I used to do heavy, heavy weightlifting with uh competition bench pressing, which totally ruined my shoulders. Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_03:I used to compete in powerlifting medicine. Yeah, I didn't mean to, it was just they saw what I was doing at the gym, they said you're breaking a world record, and I said, Yeah, I was like, so I wanted to power lifter at all, but it was anyway. So there are some good companies that are very, very expensive. Yeah, and I used to do studies for some and all that, so I hesitate to name, but what I would say a red light laser, not LED. Red light laser, yeah, but they're I think they're too much money for what they are. As long as you get a 635 nanometer, you don't need the 880, you don't need the higher levels, that's not as good in the studies out of Russia. So a 635 nanometer good red light laser that has a good warranty, that's it.
SPEAKER_08:Okay.
SPEAKER_10:So yeah, because I looked at that Kinion or whatever it is, it keeps on coming up, and I was like, I don't know, I haven't looked into them into them. And then there was like I was gonna use hyper ice, the heat and compression. But I was like, I don't know that that's gonna do much for what you're talking about. It's like it's not gonna do much. Yeah, yeah. And I'm not sure lazy.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, so you don't have any you don't have any tears, you don't need surgery at all. Is it what's going on? I would stay away from sure. More degenerate, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:More degeneration.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So hyaluronic growth growth hormone injection into that is pretty, pretty significant. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:But yeah.
SPEAKER_03:PT might help, yeah.
SPEAKER_10:Well, it's not that it's it's just it it gets really sore at night. The range of motion is range of motion is that's just inflammation. It's just inflammation. That's that's what I'm just trying to do. It's just inflammation.
SPEAKER_03:So then the red light would help you with that.
SPEAKER_10:But you say red light laser over control.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, lasers, uh yeah, LED's a baby version of laser. Okay, you want better effect, it's a cold laser, it's a low-level laser, it's actual laser.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, a chiropractor friend of mine actually gave me one and then took it back. He had cold laser. He was like, Oh, this is uh FDA approved to do carpal tunnel without one of the ones.
SPEAKER_03:So the company that's done all the studies everybody knocks off is the one that I was working with. So and they're good, but you don't have to pay that kind of money. Yeah, so okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:How about trial physical therapy?
SPEAKER_03:If it's wear and tear though, and they're just doing it, can it's not like it's Oscar's right, is it gonna make it work? That's what I'm asking.
SPEAKER_10:Well, his wife's a physical therapist, he thinks I can make time for it, which I don't have.
SPEAKER_06:It's not about making time for it, but like if you negate like what your body needs and you want to just consume something or shine a light on it, yeah, you're fucked up.
SPEAKER_03:It could help, but I would also what you're saying too, uh prolo therapy and your PRP with an expert injector that knows in that ligament attachment, yeah, right there at that spot. That might be, I don't know what's going on.
SPEAKER_06:Stretching and exercising. Well, that all of it be even. I do the stretch and exercise. Or even improvement PRP, exosomes, all those things too.
SPEAKER_03:Exosomes are I will tell you what, um, we were doing, we were teaching prolo therapy, and then we started PRP. I think I was the first one in Arizona doing PRP. And I just didn't see any better results than just doing prolo. If you get the right injection, the right needle in the right spot, it's prolo therapy, it's just dextrose. Yeah, and it's about where the needle is, where it's placed, and creating that inflammation in that insertion. I found it was still better. In fact, a lot of us did. Those of us that had been doing a bunch of it, it's just sense of it.
SPEAKER_10:It's gotten better. I've been injecting PPC into it. Okay. Like it's gotten better, but it's more about where the needle is, I think, than what you're putting in there.
SPEAKER_03:I do. To your point is somewhat PT and mechanical things.
SPEAKER_06:Like it's just if you're not gonna make I personally personally peep down even with all the holistic aspect, the best thing is PT. If you're not gonna make it time for PT, then you have to look towards other aspects. If you're not gonna like actually treat the root cause problem and treatment, but I don't have to go somewhere to do PT.
SPEAKER_10:I can do it at home.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you got a PT to put you on a program, and then if you just do it, right? But sometimes it depends on how much degenerate degeneration, a good PT is worth your weight and gold. I'll say that. A bad one or a person that's not gonna do it right, or not gonna do it, it's not gonna do anything. So I don't know if I like to deal with it.
SPEAKER_10:It's just making the time for it, and I don't have time for it. Yeah.