More Years Only Matter When You Feel Good

Longevity gets messy when you take every supplement on the shelf. 

This episode cuts through the noise. You learn how to build a simple stack that supports energy, brain function, and real recovery without wasting money.

We talk about what actually works, what can backfire, and how tools like red light and HBOT help only when used with intention. You also get easy wins with food, sleep, and wearables that keep you steady without turning your life into a science project.

If you want clearer thinking, better sleep, and a plan that feels doable, this one helps you streamline fast. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Building A Better Daily Supplement
• 2:30 Regulation, Testing, And Dosing Reality
• 4:50 Greens Powders, Lead Scares, And Quality
• 7:50 When “Healthy” Backfires: SNPs And Curcumin
• 12:10 Root Cause Medicine And Early Wins
• 16:20 Heavy Metals, Chelation, And Relief
• 21:00 Fasting, FMD, And Longevity On Ramps
• 25:50 Training Blocks, IF, And Energy Management
• 29:10 Omnivore Eating, Timing Meat, And Plants
• 34:00 Sourcing Meat, Halal/Kosher, And Toxins
• 39:20 Microplastics, Glass Swaps, And Low-Tech Wins
• 43:30 Red Light For Hair And Pain Recovery
• 48:00 Lasers, Wearables, And Shoulder Fixes
• 51:40 Hyperbaric Oxygen For Healing And Brain
• 56:15 Practice Model: Surgery Meets Wellness
• 1:00:00 Peptides, Safety, And Compounding
• 1:05:10 Guarding Brain Health And Family Risk
• 1:09:40 Chill Longevity Versus Maximalism
• 1:14:10 Trackers, Data Stress, And What Matters
• 1:19:00 Foundations First: Sleep, Food, Movement
• 1:23:30 Behavior Change And Tiny Wins
• 1:27:10 Biological Age, Pace Of Aging, Labs

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:19

So, like, I met Andy Elliott, and like I was like, all right, this is and I had been thinking about it. I was like, all right, like I need to make a supplement. I just want because like my cabinet's filled with all these like supplements, and I'm taking different ones. And I usually get pretty happy when I'm like, all right, that one's off, didn't do too much, or that one I need to continue taking. Um, so some come off and then I cycle some on and off. And so I was like, I gotta just put together something that I I myself am gonna enjoy, and it it's gonna help out with decreasing the amount of pills I take, and you know, also for hydration, daily hydration. And and I'm always like working on just boosting brain brain power one way or another, whether it's with meditation, sleep, or supplementation. I'm always like working how to make that better. So that that's how, and like I met Andy Elliott. I'm like, this is like perfect jump off to that. And like I had been talking to one of my friends that does startups in San Francisco, and we just got this thing together, and we're about to, you know, it's a long time going. We put so much stuff into it, it took a lot of time to just get it passed through the regulations and stuff because there was such a big mix. Um so it took a lot longer than we expected because you know, something that you know takes, I think they said like 48 to 72 hours for passing regulations. I think ours took like over a month because we just had so much stuff in there. Um and they have to check like if things are binding or gonna decrease their effects and everything. So um, and all the compounds are you know purified, well tested, so you're not getting bunk material either. That's really cool. And it's a lot of stuff that I found helpful, and and I do a lot of research and whatever I take anyhow, and like that's where I've been like, all right, these are stuff that I need and like a multivitamin or something that I take every day. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 2:32

I think that's sort of like the very definite definition of being a biohacker is like doing a ton of research on everything you put in your body or on your body, you know, it was like deep dive.

SPEAKER_02: 2:40

And like once I started building it, then you know, like this IM8 came out and like no vulse, yeah, um, athletic greens. I never, you know, like I I took some greens powder, but I never took the athletic greens. Um, it seemed like it was just too commercialized. And whenever I looked at it, like a lot of the stuff, I'm like, all right, 300 something compounds, but like you're in one little stack, you're like our our scoops like bigger than one of your protein scoops. It's a large scoop that contains to contain all the compounds that you need, you need something more solid. Um so something that comes in a small stick isn't gonna have what you need. If it's 300 things, how much of a each thing are you getting?

SPEAKER_06: 3:29

Yeah. Well, in AG1, they um consumer, I don't know if you ever read consumer labs, but they found lead, uh, I think it was lead in AG1. There's some other some other compounds that were not so great in there. Yeah. I've tried IM8, they sent me a sample of that. I really liked it, but I saw it more as a multivitamin.

SPEAKER_01: 3:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 3:46

Um, but I like that they're doing a lot of testing and like astronauts and they're doing all kinds of like very interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 3:52

But you take novos, right?

SPEAKER_06: 3:54

I take novos, but I take that, I see that as like my longevity. Yeah, you know, so like that's you know, the synolytics I get. And um I was doing research on quercetin and I thought, well, I'll it doesn't have that, so I'll add that to see if I get any extra edge. And it actually um I have a genetic SNP, the COMT SNP, yeah, which slows down the clearance of estrogen when you take quercetin. Oh, really? And so I actually developed um uh estrogen dominance. Yeah, yeah, and which I didn't, you know, it was just a really bad bad experiment. I didn't I didn't know. So now I'm kind of like deep diving into all of that stuff to make sure I don't do anything like that again.

SPEAKER_02: 4:34

Yeah, I I had a similar situation with something else. It was I I think I was overdoing it on curcumin, and I I didn't know. I was like, yeah, sometimes my liver enzymes were a little high, but it's like they're like eight hundreds to a thousand. I'm like, what the hell is going on? Um, and one of my patients is like, oh, curcumin almost um threw me into liver failure. I was like, uh just added that. So I I was taking uh probably too much because like that's a whole thing when you and that's why I wanted to create one compound because it's like some you know, some of the supplements you want to take have like a whole bunch of like everything, and then their other subsupplements also got like a bunch of the same things, and like to overdo that. Um, and that that's what was happening because I think I had it, I was taking solid curcumin pills. Um, and then it was also part of like I think my morning shake or something on top of it. So I think I was overdoing it, but yeah, like my liver enzymes were high, and I was like, I I know like when I work out, like they they run high. It takes a while for my liver to clear them. Not anymore, but like um and I I think at the time I probably had fatty liver and stuff. I was a little overweight, um more than a little overweight, but but uh I think that kind of had something to do with it as well.

SPEAKER_06: 6:10

I'm gonna say isn't there also um curcumin? Well, I know turmeric can be notable like have a lot of lead in it, right? So but I don't know if when you take the curcumin only if it wouldn't have it though, right? I don't I actually should never right.

SPEAKER_02: 6:24

I and I I took Thorn, which you know they got bought out by Nestle, but at the time they were Thorn and they heavily test their stuff and they were trustworthy brand. So I I don't think it was from their thing. It was um I and then what I read is like I think it's like five, five to or ten percent of the population actually has like an issue with um where you you could go to uh into hepatitis with um I've just started taking it.

SPEAKER_05: 6:54

I'm gonna see my doctor in like November, so get all my tests, so at least I'll know.

SPEAKER_02: 6:58

And I didn't even I didn't even feel weird or like have any pains or anything, so I couldn't even tell. But if your liver's not functioning, you're obviously sleep's not good. A lot of other things aren't working well. Yeah. So yeah. So what got you into this whole longevity thing and how long have you been doing it?

SPEAKER_06: 7:18

Um so it depends on like I mean, I got into health like in my 30s, so that was in the what like 2000s, yeah, around 2000. Yeah. Um, because I was um I had like really bad acid reflux, and um I had just been through like a marriage, a divorce, um, quit my job. I trained as a structural engineer and then did this for four years, and I'm like, I don't, I don't want the I don't, you know, I don't know what I want to do, you know. And so I was just in I turned 30 and um I had this acid reflux. And so when I went to the doctor, she's like, well, you know, you're under a lot of stress. I was already on an antidepressant.

SPEAKER_01: 7:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 7:55

And so she's like, well, here's your, you know, here's a um antacid. And then it was just kind of implied, like, oh, you're gonna take these the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_01: 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 8:02

Meanwhile, my neighbor is in like pharmaceutical sales, and I'm kind of like, I don't, I don't know. Like, I just kept thinking in the back of my mind, if my stomach's upset over something, isn't it something I'm eating? Yeah, like that's what just this overriding message. And um, I wasn't okay with just being on medication the rest of my life. Not at age 30, you know, yeah, that doesn't seem sad. So um the school of naturopathic medicine was there. That was kind of this new thing. Yeah, and I thought, well, I had nothing to lose to go talk to somebody. And so she ran some tests, but also in the meantime, just said, you know, get off all wheat and dairy and see if that makes any difference. And sure enough, within two weeks, I know acid reflux. I lost like 10 pounds because I used to be like, I don't know, 40, 50 pounds heavier. Yeah, you know, and I just was and and she was asking me, like, what do you do? You know, and we what is your diet like? Do you drink? And I was like, Oh yeah, I drink a bottle of wine like every night, you know, I'd been through a divorce. Yeah, so it was like it's you know, the all these things like mattered to her that I was like, Oh yeah, shouldn't my other doctor be asking me these things?

SPEAKER_02: 9:04

But not to put down like you know, the medical, like and we we we see it. We're allopathic, like we're both alipathic, but yeah, we we see this side of things because uh for us look lucky to be in our position is like with being mainly cash pay, we do insurance stuff as well. But like, you know, I've always been to into health and well wellness, and like you know, we're we did look down on naturopaths for a long time, but like now, like they're they're a bigger push. And I send patients, you know, like more complex patients that you know, I try to work through their labs and get them like situated. And when I can't figure it out, or like I work with Krista and like we both work together on trying to see how we can figure things out to make life better, rather than just putting them on some medication, which they they come in and they're like, Oh, my PCP said to take this, yeah, and I don't want to take it. And like, you know, and where the allopathic physicians like, no, you got to take it, or they just tell them to go diet and exercise and go meditate or something.

SPEAKER_06: 10:16

Yeah, they don't give them a plan that's specific to them and their issues, and but I think that was the thinking 20 years ago. I mean, that's where you're 25 years ago. My brother was a med uh doctor as well, and he trained um, he actually intentionally went into ER medicine, so he could kind of avoid all of that, you know, because he's like you're needed in the ER. That's the one place you're really, really yeah, you know, we shine in Western medicine. So um no, there was like no problem. It was just like that's what was going on then, and I wasn't getting any answers. And so um I was on an antidepressant at the same time. So when I went back to see her for my follow-up, she said, Well, if you want to get off the antidepressant, you know, we can put you on a nutraceutical protocol. And that was like this whole new term to me. I was like, What are you talking about? And so she knows she put me on like L-tyrosine and a bunch of other, you know, a few other things. And then I slowly tapered off. Um and I was on like Venlifaxine for, I don't know, a year to 18 months. Yeah. And I had no, like no withdrawal symptoms, nothing. I mean, I just went right off of it, right in. And um I just was shocked that like supplements could be as effective. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, and then of course I'm exercising and doing all the things that she's asking me to do and um eating healthier and all of that. So I it just was impressed upon me. Like if you have a problem, always kind of see figure out what the root cause is. What the root causes. Yeah. And you know, again, I don't even know where the Institute for Functional Medicine was at that point, but I think people were beginning to kind of think that way. And um, so then um in my 40s, I um my hair was like falling out and I was really tired, like really tired. Um, but you know, mind you, my son was three, my brother, the ER doctor, he had just passed away very tragically. And um my I would go see the doctor, just you know, just like so tired, you know, and hair's falling out, and she's like, you know, you're in grief, like, you know, and you're taking care of a three-year-old, you're fine. And I'm thinking, something's not right. Like this is like bone tired, you know, like it just wasn't right. And um sure enough, I mean, I was lucky I had a friend, she just said, you know, you should just go get tested for heavy metals. Yeah, yeah, you know, and so I went to she had a doctor who was essentially practicing functional medicine, an MD. Yeah, and um, she tested me and she was like, Have you been working in a Chinese factory? You know, because I had just so many different heavy metals. It wasn't just like lead and mercury, it was like antimony and tungsten and like all like all of them and several. And I was a ceramics major when I first started college, and I thought it was silly to wear a mask when I mixed glazes, you know. And I traveled the world, I'm an adventurous eater, like, you know, eat fish everywhere. I miss the memo on fish and you know, heavy metals. So yeah. So and then had some like dental stuff. So I was really like toxed up. And um when this had happened, I had actually just had my last two mercury fillings removed because I knew that that was a good idea, but um, I didn't think it was so bad when I swallowed a tiny little chunk of mercury when he was taking it out. I thought, you know, so that's what kind of like sparked the whole thing, yeah, which I'm grateful because then we did chelation therapy and like, which I know can be like controversial for sure, because we like even in the middle of like my chelation therapy, we I kind of went sideways under her supervision. So I always tell people, don't do this at home, folks, because definitely very, very, very, very dangerous if you do it at home. But anyway, um like six weeks into it, I was driving home and I remember like because you would go in one day for the key leader, and then the next day she'd go back and she'd remineralize me, you know, like based on whatever I needed, you know. And um I was driving home and it felt like like the clouds opened up, you know, like it was um as if uh like I could see my peripheral vision like opened up and like as if it really felt like there was a cloud over me that was no longer like the world seemed brighter.

SPEAKER_01: 14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 14:21

And I just this um like low grade depression I had had like my whole life was gone. Like it was gone. And I just was thinking, wow, there is something is you know going on here. And so I was I became very obsessed with um detoxification because she um was doing my genetics at the time too, and so you know this MTHFR, you're gonna have trouble like detoxifying, you need to take you know, be more careful about that kind of stuff. And and so I just thought, well, I can't, uh you know, we I think I did 12 rounds of chelation. Then she was like, you know, that's that's enough on the body, like you everything you have is in safe levels, but I'm looking at every all of them and kind of going, well, what's the cumulative effect of having so many different metals?

SPEAKER_01: 15:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 15:06

And so I just I became obsessed with researching ways to constantly detoxify.

SPEAKER_01: 15:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 15:11

And so in that process of always like looking into doctors and what they're saying and trying different things on, somewhere in there, I learned about um fasting and fasting and its role in detoxification.

SPEAKER_01: 15:24

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 15:25

And I was like, oh, I can just fast and not take all these supplements and not do all like my body will do all the detoxification work. Like, I'm in, sign me up, and I'll lose some more weight. I'm like, great, you know. But then um right after that, I learned about Walter Longo's fasting mimicy diet. And then he was talking about its implications for longevity. So that was the first time I was like, oh, longevity. Yes, you know, putting that idea of your health span, matching your lifespan, maybe extending it a little. And then of course I read David Sinclair, and you know, so then I just became obsessed with like longevity and synolytics and this idea of detoxing your zombie cells, and yeah, and so um in that process. So that was like in 20, let's say I came back from 2017, probably like 2018, 2019, 2020, somewhere in there. And that's uh eventually I found my way to this company Novos and the uh the rejuvenation Olympics.

SPEAKER_02: 16:20

Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And and like what do you other than the detox definitely like you feel like changed a lot. You felt like definitely um and like the fasting mimicking diet, I've tried it once. I haven't, you know, I haven't gone back to it. I I truly believe in it, but it it's just tough with I'm always afraid of like energy and operating all day long.

SPEAKER_04: 16:48

And yeah, um, because when I did it for the five days, I didn't want you fasting if you were operating on me.

SPEAKER_02: 16:55

Yeah. I I usually fast to like two, three o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, and I feel like my brain just functions so much better. Like I'll take a scoop of aminos and just eat it in the morning, and like I take keto and esters all the time, um, which like drive me right through without any issues. But like, yeah, when I when I got home like six, seven, like you just want to hit the sack, like you're done. Yeah. Um, and that's why I'm like, I want to do it, but then I don't. So how often do you do it?

SPEAKER_06: 17:31

I'm experimenting this year and I'm doing um a fasting mimicking diet every three months. So I'll do another one kind of here right before Christmas. But usually I only do them like before and after the holiday, and maybe one more during the year at the very most. Um, but I had done fasting, you know, up until that point. Like I could get to like four days of water only fasting. But now we're kind of learning maybe it's not so great for women to go that long and yeah, you know, all that. So I and I'm glad I listened to my body because I remember just like everyone would say, Oh no, once you get past four days, you'll feel great. And yeah, and I would get that feel great feeling, and then I would start feeling bad again. And I just think, like, this isn't this isn't right.

SPEAKER_03: 18:10

Do you do you do intermittent fasting throughout the day? Do you have a certain Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 18:15

So nowadays I just I mean, pretty like I pretty much eat dinner at like five, five thirty. And I'm but I'm in bed like 8:39, you know, and I'm up at 4 30. Yeah. So um, and I do have like a little bit of something before I work out nowadays, but um, like it's just you know, collagen and some other things in a a tea. Um, and then I go work out, and then I really don't eat anything until like 10 o'clock. Okay. I go I go always.

SPEAKER_03: 18:42

Um you work you wake up at 4 30, and then you go work out. What what does your workout consist of?

SPEAKER_06: 18:50

Uh is a different every day. So like today was my VO2 max. I'm always switching it up. I'm always switching up like what I'm doing during the days of the week, but now it's like okay, Tuesdays is VO2, Mondays, Monday, Wednesday, Friday are full body weights.

SPEAKER_01: 19:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 19:03

And then uh Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday are kind of like heavier cardio. So Monday's like the VO2 or Tuesday's the VO2 max, and then Thursday is like a I just do like a hit, you know, like a 20, 30 minute hit or whatever, 20 minute hit. Yeah, yeah. And then um, and then Saturday is either go for a hike or like I'm back in the gym having something fun. Yeah. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:26

So when you eat, what are you eating? Because like, you know, with and I I listened to your podcast, and with a lot of longevity medicine, everyone's like vegetarian, vegetarian, vegetarian. It's very good. And it's you know, and then you know, carnivore diets out. And um the other day I tried to cook a tomahawk steak, and I was like, I love steaks, but I was like, I can't I can't be having too much, but like I know when I eat steak, uh, even at like six, seven o'clock at night, my heart rate doesn't drop to like four or five in the morning. It's like it's like seventies, eighties, yeah, it's higher than usual. Yeah. Um, so it takes me a lot longer to um digest the meat. So that you know, like if I have steak or something, I think it's better if I have it at lunch, but it's almost never a lunch thing for me.

SPEAKER_06: 20:20

So yeah, I'm a firm believer in the big like, you know, two o'clock big lunch if you're gonna do something like that. Yeah. But I don't know, I'm not um a vegetarian by any means. I'm a total omnivore. Yeah. Um, in fact, I would have had ground venison today. Um, but again, I had that as my breakfast. It was like around 11a, 11 o'clock, you know. Yeah. So then uh for dinner tonight, I'm ashamed to admit I just had a protein shake. But then I also eat like I I do think it's important to get the plants. I mean, I think that's the benefit of being a vegetarian if you're actually eating the plants, is like, you know, so I'm doing a pound of veggies a day. So it's usually like uh half of that is greens, and then the other half is like celery and carrots or whatever's happening, you know, in the farmer's market. Um, but yeah, that's it, it's an interesting debate. And I I have a feeling my gut says unintended that eventually people will um will be able to test, like, okay, you need to be on X diet, you know, you need not just based on your genetics, but maybe somehow where you are in life at that point. Um, I know I was doing the full vegan diet when I was trying to do the chelation therapy, and because she was looking at my numbers as we were going through it all, she just said, This is not the diet for you. And she showed me, I mean, she's like, I I understand, I read the China study, I know it's you know supposedly good, and yeah, I can tell you it's not working for you.

SPEAKER_02: 21:47

Yeah, so uh yeah, I did vegan and then I did vegan for lunch, and I'd go, you know, eat animal proteins at night. I I don't know, like I I don't think I felt much different. I was getting like uh Saqqara life. I don't know if you know it's just vegan meals. It's pretty it's like a Michelin star chef. Uh that's pretty expensive. I I do I think it's good for detox because it it does like you feel like you're emptied out and uh you don't have bloating or any of that, but I don't know, like the taste kind of gets old after a little while. And I I always crave like a steak or meat.

SPEAKER_04: 22:30

That was my thing. I remember like sauteing mushrooms and trying to put in like this like liquid smoke, and I'm like, Yeah, why am I doing this? Like, why don't I just have a piece of bacon? And then when bacon came back on the menu, I was just like, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_06: 22:46

There's something, I mean, like I feel like if you're craving it with the exception of like sugar and cookies and cakes, yeah. I just think there's something to it. Cause you know what I mean, like how long did we demonize like eggs and butter and fat? And actually, it's like now we're finding what is this, the C15 fat in the grass-fed butter. Like, yeah, I just I would rather like if it's pretty much natural, yeah, I'm having it.

SPEAKER_02: 23:14

Yeah, that's a whole thing, whole foods, and like just you know, I want to get someone that's an expert on the podcast that's an expert on like you know, the types of meat and like grass, because all these new words are coming out, grass-fed, grass finished, and and then you know, like like no hormones, and the the other thing you think about is like they could be grass-fed, but if they're eating crappy grass, like is that grass-fed? Like, really, and like are they getting appropriate nutrition? They might gain weight, but they they might be sickly weight that they're gaining. Um, so you know, I I just want to figure that out. But like one thing I've changed more recently is like I've gone halal halal or like kosher, I think is a better way uh like how they slaughter the animals, um, where they're gonna get all the toxins and stuff, where like the way that mass production and slaughtering's done in the US, it like drives up their cortisol and their muscles kind of tense up. So the meat kind of keeps all that blood in it, where that's all all the toxins and stuff's kind of driven out of the animals, which I think you know, like halal meat's gonna be a lot safer and you're gonna feel a lot better after eating that than eating a big juicy steak that's you know, kill the old way.

SPEAKER_06: 24:42

Do you ever use CPR meats? No, uh, a guy is raising it down in Wilcox and he'll send he get his emails just Google CPR meats. Okay, you'll get an email every week like, oh, these are the girls out on the pasture, and like they've got chicken, lamb, um, pork, turkey. You can order your turkey now. And they have eggs. Um, he's partnered with the dairy, they have raw milk, and he comes up, I think, once or twice a month to deliver. Yeah, but they also have these like spots where you can get it all the time too. So, but you just order it online and it's um he might know more about like kind of the questions you're you're asking because obviously he kind of said, Okay, I'm not doing this. Yeah. Um, you know, moving down to Wildecox. I don't know their whole story, but yeah, clearly the animals were raised, you know, in beautiful, healthy, pristine pastures.

SPEAKER_02: 25:32

Yeah, some of the some of the websites as I was going down the the hole with like what meat to get, like some of the places I was like, I don't know what farm that is. It's like all these farms from across the US. I'm like, like, I don't know what it's gonna taste like. Like you can say it, but I was like, all right, I'll just go with this this place. And they delivered within two days, so I was like, all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 25:58

I just like that I can drive down there and see it if I need to. You know, like at one day one year, was it last year? I had to travel accidentally when it was time to pick up my turkey. And so I went down there and picked up my turkey, and you know, it was quite the drive.

SPEAKER_04: 26:14

It's not a few, but you know, but it's local-ish.

SPEAKER_02: 26:17

Yeah, no, because like right now it's like I I think the stuff's over fro frozen, kind of like the way you get it. Um and I don't like that too much, and it's in in plastic, everything's in plastic.

SPEAKER_04: 26:31

So that's the whole new discussion, right? Microplastics. I know I'm just like, I mean, luckily again, I've been deep diving on that for a little while. Not I didn't understand the whole plastic accumulation. I was more from a design sense, like in my kitchen. I was like, I don't like that plastic Tupperware stuff. I want like these pretty glass containers. So I was grateful I had this weird little designer thing going on.

SPEAKER_02: 26:54

Yeah.

unknown: 26:55

That's funny.

SPEAKER_02: 26:56

Yeah, we changed all glass, like like my my wife sort of listens to me every once in a while.

SPEAKER_04: 27:04

Oh, that's sweet.

SPEAKER_00: 27:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 27:06

Um, but yeah, so I don't know, Slee, did I ask you a question? Yeah, on biohacking, that's how I got into it. Um I'm not, you know, real tech into the tech aspect of it just yet. I mean, I'm slowly adding those things. Like um I have I feel so techy. I wear a red light cap every morning for like my hair because this company sent me a red light cap to test.

SPEAKER_05: 27:28

And I was like, I'll test it for you. But yeah, I kind of don't think this is what you know.

SPEAKER_04: 27:32

Like, I know.

SPEAKER_05: 27:33

Oh my god, I've been using it for three months.

SPEAKER_04: 27:34

It totally works. It does, it does totally work. I was like, holy crap! Yeah like I've never had my hair, it's never been this long in my entire life.

SPEAKER_06: 27:42

Like, and it's just all filling in here, like my hairline is coming back, and I just I was like, okay, now I have to like get on here and like tell people that it works.

SPEAKER_04: 27:52

And yeah, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 27:54

The thing I've I've been and I I have tons of tools, like uh and my brother always says it, and I should probably do some reviews on them because it's like I do a lot of research, and then I'm like, all right, I take it down to like two things and try to compare them back and forth, but like it took me forever to get like a red light mat. But like I was dealing with like lower back issues for like eight months. It was, you know, wasn't totally hindering me. I even took like peptides, BPC, and I was on them for a long time. I was like, this thing's just lingering and not going away. Got the red light mat, like within two weeks, like the back pain was gone. I'm like, it's gotta be that's what it's from. And like eight months, it was just like lingering on. Now I'm like, how am I gonna get rid of this? I bought these flat shoes. Um, it improved it, but it didn't go away completely. And then, like, yeah, I got the red light mat.

SPEAKER_06: 28:51

Is that like one of those beds? I didn't get the bed, but it's just the bottom.

SPEAKER_02: 28:56

I just bought a mat. It was like I I say I've said it in another podcast. So they said it was like a nine in one or six in one, whatever it is. So I'm like, oh, this is a total like Alibaba thing. But I had seen them at one of the we went to one of the conferences uh for longevity medicine, and like I saw the company there. I'm like, all right, if they're at the longevity conference, although you can pay for it, I was like, it's it might be okay. Let me try it. And and like I tried the mat and I loved it because it had it had a tens machine in there. Um, I used the tens at the beginning, um, along with the red light, and then it's it's got PMF and like all in one. And so I was like, might as well try it. And I I I it worked, so I can I'm almost 100% that's like the reason. Now like I don't sleep sleep on it every night, but like when I go to put my son to bed, I'll lay on it for like half an hour and it feels good. It gets Pretty hot. It gets up to 150 degrees. Sometimes my actually sometimes my lower back is like almost from the bulbs. It's almost burning when it when you're laying there for a while. But like, yeah, after half an hour, it's it gets you start sweating and everything. So um it does, it feels great. Um another thing I got more recently was like my shoulder like bothers me from all the liposuction I do. So, you know, I was like, I gotta figure out how to like because I'd get pain like late at night, like while asleep. So I researched there's the kinnyon, the little spot things that you put on uh like your shoulder, your knees, and and then I was like researching that. Then this other thing popped up that it's stronger. And I was I was talking with um our podcast ho uh guest last week about like cold lasers, and like this thing has cold laser, it's not as strong as the handheld cold lasers, but the Kinneon has it too, but this one's more powerful. So I was like, all right, red light and cold laser together. And the cold laser is supposed to penetrate deeper into the joint and stuff. So I was like, let me try it. Um I've they're just little patches that you wear, they're little pads. Oh they're like about this big.

SPEAKER_03: 31:26

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02: 31:26

Are they attached to anything or do you just yeah, there's a strap that you connect them to? Oh, okay. Put it on.

SPEAKER_03: 31:32

Um, so how long have you been using that?

SPEAKER_02: 31:35

Uh like three, four days.

SPEAKER_03: 31:36

Oh, really? Yeah, because I you were just complaining of your shoulder last week.

SPEAKER_02: 31:40

Yeah, so it it feels better. I don't know if it's from that or just getting better.

SPEAKER_04: 31:44

Yeah, because you just you're having like, I'm sorry, I'm just mad at the same time. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 31:47

Light resection, like a a lot of a lot of plastic surgeons have rotator cuff and shoulder issues. And I I did like uh competition weight lifting uh when I was younger, and I I just like try to lift or bench press ridiculous amounts of weight. So that took a beating on my shoulders. Um but now it's like liposuction and like breast augmentations, you're like cranking on your delts and interesting uh shoulder. So those are you know, I'm like, I need to just treat them better, just get them get them to heal. Um the the cold days are supposed to, you know, produce collagen and stuff. I'd have to fact check that one. I'm not sure, but um yeah, they say it builds collagen and helps heal like injuries, so we'll see how it goes. And it's easy to strap on, it's like 20 minute treatment. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 32:45

Do you ever do any hyperbaric?

SPEAKER_02: 32:47

I do. I have a hyperbaric bed in the office. Um every day.

SPEAKER_06: 32:53

No, I am claustrophobic, so I wish I you know what? I'm very claustrophobic. Very clapped and I have no problem with it.

SPEAKER_03: 32:59

Really?

SPEAKER_06: 33:00

You just get in there.

SPEAKER_03: 33:00

I just get so jealous of everybody.

SPEAKER_06: 33:03

Yeah, just give it a go.

SPEAKER_02: 33:04

My whole thing is just finding the time to do it.

SPEAKER_06: 33:06

It's like you have to sit there and go, okay, well, I'm gonna read a paper at this time. I'm gonna do something, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 33:12

Yeah, when I think it'll be a lot easier when we get because we're getting like the four-person one, we're opening up a surgery center, so we're gonna put a four-person one in our surgery center. We have a single person thing, and I just think you can't really do anything but sit there and meditate. Yeah, so if I can get some work done um while sitting in there, I think that'll be a lot more functional. Um, and I have two little ones, so it's like tough to like you know, other than work, it's usually going home and I eat it because with the hyperbarics, you gotta sit there for at least an hour, you know.

SPEAKER_06: 33:50

So it's so funny because so like I was about um so I've done hyperbaric before and I had a breast reduction, and it was like 10 years ago. Yeah, and I had already done this um work with the heavy metal chelation, and she had hyperbaric chambers, and so I was telling her I was doing, she said, Oh, you come in here after your surgery. And I told the doctor what I was doing, he's like, You can do it, but like, you know, and then and he was blown away. He's like, I've never seen anybody heal so fast, and so he um bought a hyperbaric.

SPEAKER_03: 34:20

Yeah, I don't yeah, we put it all of our patients in hyperbaric.

SPEAKER_02: 34:25

It's that's why brilliant. I I kind of got it for myself, and uh because my wife, it it's an expensive piece of machinery. So I I bought it for myself, but I told my wife, uh, it's for the patients, so I'd get in it every once in a while. But now we have all our patients go in there, they feel great. They actually like we give them three sessions, they usually come back for like more. Um, we do that and the red light therapy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 34:53

That's great. Yeah, that's really nice. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 34:56

I love it. We I my son had to do um, what was it like 20 sessions for some brain issues? Yeah. Um and I, you know, like I said, so that's kind of like the my next like kind of big purse. I'm getting a cold plunge here any day now.

SPEAKER_01: 35:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 35:10

Then of then I'm like, okay, the next thing I toy I want to buy is the hyperbaric. And again, it's like I don't I try not to do too much of all this gadgetry, but like that one I really felt a like a huge difference. You can see a difference in your skin and just how you function daily. I I just love it.

SPEAKER_02: 35:26

Yeah, like I had an accident, and that's where like I did like 10 treatments um right away. I uh I slipped and fell and banged my head, and I was like, all right, I gotta, you know, I I got in the hyperbaric uh right away and yeah, I did 10 treatments then, you know. I never felt anything bad from it. Yeah, can't say like you know, I when you optimize yourself, it's like you you can notice small changes. I I didn't really like notice too much of a difference at the time I did it, but um overall I like you're not you know, with some of the stuff, you're gonna feel energized that day and like more focused. Like I noticed that. And like you start doing chores around the house, you know something's wrong with you.

SPEAKER_06: 36:20

I just noticed like my inflammation seems to die down, you know. So uh I love it for that. Yeah, I just thought I think for long-term brain health, oh yeah, it'll be good. So yeah, um, but I'm I probably won't get you probably have one that goes to like the two atmospheres, you know. I'm just getting like the oxy health, which is like 1.4 soft shell.

SPEAKER_02: 36:38

Yeah, it's not as yeah. I have the oxy health, yeah, it goes up to two atmospheres. That's yeah. I you know, for what we need um up to two atmospheres for especially post procedures and stuff, that's perfectly fine. Like, and I really didn't want to, you know, like go in medical grade as like, all right, putting medical grade if I was gonna put one at my house, I'm like, yeah, the ship blows up, then like my wife's gonna kill me, or like, and my kids are at home. I'm like, it it's just you know, to take all that risk away, um, just get you know a soft heart shell is perfectly fine. Yeah, and you don't need to go up to four atmospheres. Um it's not like I'm treating one of the FDA approved things like necrotizing fasciitis or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so yeah, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04: 37:31

So what all encompasses in your practice?

SPEAKER_02: 37:34

Like what like your so we do a lot of breast reconstruction for breast cancer patients, but um and then cosmetics, we do everything. We do facelift, rhinoclasses, um breast and body work, mommy makeovers.

SPEAKER_03: 37:49

I think we're really starting off too with wellness as well, um hormone replacement, peptides, things like that. So that's been really fun. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_02: 37:59

Yeah, I started, you know, doing some of the peptides. I did tons of research like four years ago, five years ago, and and then I started doing them myself and like I had drastic change to my health and lifestyle, and I'm like, all right, we gotta get this.

SPEAKER_06: 38:16

So you you guys do peptides. Yeah, okay. Then I'm gonna come talk to you soon. Okay. I gotta talk to my doctor in November, but um, yeah, for uh think for autoimmune issues. I think I'm dealing with one, and I think BPC might be quite good for that.

SPEAKER_02: 38:29

Um beta, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 38:32

Yeah, exactly. So uh, but I want to make sure I think I'm dealing with chogrins here, so uh I just want to make sure like I have that sort of figured out. And then um I had asked her in the past about peptides, she's like, I don't know. She's a functional medicine doctor, she's like, I don't I don't do peptides, you need to find somebody to come see you guys. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I would love that. That would be good. I'd love to deep down.

SPEAKER_02: 38:51

Yeah, I'm always testing new ones and whatever's out there.

SPEAKER_06: 38:54

And you guys come you get them compounded safely so they don't have the endotoxins because that was the thing that I get very worried about, like all that, you know, junk stuff. Yeah, people don't order them off the internet, they have endotoxins, which give you all kinds of problems. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 39:08

It is, it's very scary. It's very scary. What I hear, you know, some of my friends are like, oh, it's okay, I don't need your stuff. I have, you know, somebody down the streets getting up for like$15, but they're getting it tested. And I was like, okay, you you enjoy that.

SPEAKER_06: 39:23

I just wonder if there's gonna be an epidemic of like all kinds, you know, what autoimmune issues, like all the different things that can be caused by the heavy metal, yeah, yeah. And I just because people all think that they're I mean, even my son came to me and he wants to do that. And I'm like, he's 19.

SPEAKER_04: 39:39

I'm like, no, he wants to take testosterone. I'm like, no, no.

SPEAKER_06: 39:43

I mean, in his defense, he does have kind of low testosterone. Yeah, because it's like a like, I mean, for a teenager, it was like at 200, 300, no? Okay, I mean, for lifts weights and everything. I'm like, that is kind of low, but I don't think you should be shooting testosterone.

SPEAKER_03: 39:58

Yeah, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 39:59

Just need more protein.

SPEAKER_03: 40:01

I know that would be interesting to kind of dive into that. And so he eats a lot of protein too.

SPEAKER_06: 40:05

So I don't know. I don't know, something's going on.

SPEAKER_01: 40:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 40:08

So you guys train in functional medicine as well, or just like so I I am definitely going that route for sure. I you uh you keep bringing up the functional medicine institute. Um and I've looked at it. Yes, they're coming out with a new certification in 2026. Oh, good. So um I'm kind of waiting for that one, although I am doing, I've been training with World Link Medical. Um, I don't know if you've heard of them, but they are a little bit outside of the box thinkers when it comes to hormones, which I I love. Um, they are also coming out with a optimal um optimizing medication uh medicine certification, so which is gonna kind of combine functional medicine with optimizing thyroid, optimizing hormones. So I I kind of think that's the route that I'm gonna go. Yeah. Yeah, but I do love all of that stuff. Just making people feel better. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 41:00

Yeah, we we both did multiple like peptide certifications and yeah, um, I even did one on supplements. Uh I I just haven't had the time to really like, you know, to do like a functional medicine like fellowship type of thing. It would just take a lot of time with I think with having the young kids, it's like kind of tough. And yeah. And the other thing is like a lot of the talks, you know, I've gone to a bunch of conferences and I listen to them and a lot of them are just repetition, and it seems like there's a lot of censorship and what they can and can't say. And you know, like I learned more from like some of the bodybuilding uh podcasts and stuff, some of the stuff from the underground. You've like learn about underground stuff that's coming up, um, versus the bro science that's actually ending up working, you mean? Yeah, yeah. As they've gotten more into it, they've like, you know, and they go to China and Russia and test this stuff out and like uh good to know.

SPEAKER_04: 42:06

This is what my son is listening to. So okay.

SPEAKER_02: 42:08

Yeah, it's stuff that actually works. Um you know, like a lot of the compound pharmacies do get it from China, they get it from China and then they, you know, they but they have strict testing and stuff, so you don't get the endotoxins because if you have endotoxins in there, one thing is you could get very sick from it, but the other thing is, and you might not notice it, but you know, like these like BPC is supposed to be anti-inflammatory and help you out, and it could have the total opposite effect or no effect at all. Um like I I didn't know about this whole compound pharmacy doing these peptides and stuff, and there's only a few of the pharmacies that do it, it's grown um over the past few years. But um, when I first started doing it, I was getting it off peptide sciences. And like once I started doing the compounded form, I'm like, oh, this is how you're supposed to feel when you actually take it and like see results versus like I definitely um especially like CJC epimorlin, which is one of the growth hormone releasing ones. Um like I was taking it for a while on peptide sciences. I started taking the compounded form. I'm like, I'm having some messed up dreams. I'm like, what's going on? What was happening was like I was I usually wear an aura rink and I was getting into much deeper sleep with because it was actual CJC and it was actually working. So once I caught up with my deep sleep phase, then those vivid dreams kind of went away. Interesting. And anytime like I lacked sleep, like let's say I had like a long week and I I worked long hours and didn't get enough sleep. And once I was like getting back in a good sleep schedule, those vivid dreams would come back for a little bit and then go away. So I I think like yeah, you could get non-compounded, but you don't know what's in there because you know, and there's so many companies nowadays, you don't know like their testing and if you're getting a quality product or you know, getting endotoxins in them. Yeah. So yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 44:18

Exactly. It's very interesting.

unknown: 44:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 44:20

Have you taken any peptides?

SPEAKER_06: 44:22

Uh I did try a little BPC actually, and again, I didn't notice anything. And then like I said, Oral or what did you oral, yeah. And um, I didn't really notice anything. And then I've had all these like, you know, Shogun symptoms, and I'm like, did I get, you know, but I've I mean when I'm looking back, I've had these symptoms for a while, so they've just kind of amped up. So I'm like, well, was there endotoxins in that? Or because it was from peptide sciences actually. Um so I I don't know. I was like, I don't know, but I don't want to mess around with this stuff. Yeah, you know, um, but I definitely didn't notice anything. And I thought, isn't this supposed to be helping me? So I decided I'm rather go somewhere and do it properly. You know, yeah, yeah. If I've learned anything in my life, it's like just work with an actual doctor.

SPEAKER_05: 45:07

Like I don't, you know, I don't know this stuff like you guys, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 45:10

Yeah, some of the stuff is and like the BPC. I I right now I do um take an oral and injectable form, and the injectable form I was actually injecting directly into my shoulder. Yeah. Um, whether that was it or the red light therapy. Um, but I think both together like help quite a bit. Yeah. Um and then like CJC or pulmolin, like the growth hormone releasing peptides, like with repair recovery, and like if you have any sort of neural issues, I think it like helps out tremendously with like like I had herniated disc and like I continue to have issues with like some neuropathies, but like once I got on CJC, hippomolin, like I usually cycle BPC in there um for three months. The CJC I usually take like three, six months, a year, and then take a short break. But like all the neural symptoms went away. Interesting.

SPEAKER_06: 46:14

Yeah. Yeah, I want to um safeguard my mom has Parkinson's, which is like kind of the reason I keep doing like I just was with my parents yesterday, and my dad's gonna have to get this like stint, and you know, he's like 87, and you know, his he's got his like his aortic valve is kind of calcified or something like that. And you know, the doctor's saying, well, you know, without this, uh like basically in four years, yeah, like hundred percent you'll you'll have passed away. But you know, so we're hoping he can do it. You know, the surgery for the stent and all this, and then my mom is you know, she's shaking, and their mobility is like really limited, and yeah, and I'm just going, like I just like I really want to avoid this. You know, I mean that's the dream, right? That you you know like only maybe a year tops, you know, that you have that sort of like lack of health span or none at all, you know, and um we'll see, but it definitely like makes it very easy to like get up at 4 30 and get to the gym. Yeah. Um, but I do worry about brain issues, yeah. But that's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 47:20

Yeah, there's a lot of peptides. Yeah, there's a lot of peptides, and I'm always like work trying the different ones. And like diehex is one that I I I like and especially for conversational. I think like when I was I take it, it's like, you know, when I'm seeing the patients, I uh I can conversate a lot better, and that's something that's kind of helped with like people with Alzheimer's, like Parkinson's and yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 47:49

Neuroprotective for somebody if they're nervous about getting Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, if it's a genetic factor that it's in their family. I usually put them, you know, cycle that a couple of times a year.

SPEAKER_06: 48:00

But I know it's not genetic, but uh still I just like it was like not I do not want that thing.

SPEAKER_02: 48:06

I mean that is but like what what you see like it seems like you have like a chill way of doing longevity where you know people that watched the Netflix on Brian Johnson were like all right, I'd rather die than live like 10 years behind me.

SPEAKER_06: 48:27

Yeah, and I I get really um not nervous, but like I just feel really very passionate that health should be for everybody.

SPEAKER_02: 48:36

Yeah, and I get worried when people watch something like that or the biohacking community, or they listen to Dave Asprey or um Ben Greenfield, who I know and I very much admire, you know, but still it's too much for people especially yeah, like I yeah, I listened to both of them and I was like, all right, you gotta cut because you know, Asprey's like you almost cut out everything you eat or drink, and you know, it's like you're like, all right, I can just drink your danger coffee and the rest of the world's polluted.

SPEAKER_06: 49:08

Um, there's all these other people living to a hundred, like well, so that's what I kept kind of going back to was like, well, I mean, one, I really didn't understand the significance of me and my pace of aging and Brian's pace of aging until I dove into what he was doing, and then I didn't then I learned how much he was spending, and I was like, okay, you know, so if I can be the example or the voice for people to say you don't need all this, it's great. We can just eat while and if you look at the blue zones, like they don't biohack, you know, they just optimize. Like, I'm not even they don't even, you know, they're just doing their thing. And so um, like if I I I do I don't know Brian, I've never met him. So um I do think that that is who he is. I don't think it causes him any extra stress.

SPEAKER_02: 49:57

But if I were to implement that and but I I bet you if he like did what you do, I bet you he adds like time to his longevity because I bet you there is a stress factor decreasing how well he ages, maybe compared to you, compared to who's the other guy that was um Ben Greenfield that's um like beat Brian Johnson to not too old. I I forget several there's like yeah, Dave Pasco's. I think it's Pascos, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 50:28

Yeah, and Dave Pascoe's like way chill. Like, I mean again, it's like that's who he is. Like, yeah, that wouldn't it doesn't cause them any stress to do all the stuff they do. Yeah, whereas like I think the average person is more like me, like most of the population is like, okay, that's just like way too much. Like, I'm just trying to get dinner on the table, I'm raising kids, you know, like I can't I can't do all this stuff. Uh-huh. Um and uh for me that would just that would stress me. It would make everything worse.

SPEAKER_02: 50:53

Brian Johnson's like, he's on the M sculpt machine every day. And I'm like, there's no way you could be on that. I'm like, you're talking about longevity, you're you're doing this thing that could be radiating your body. You know, how much EMF and radiation is that doing that you're doing 20,000 crunches a day.

SPEAKER_04: 51:12

I wouldn't mind doing emf like once a year in a few sessions like once a year. Yeah, I do that.

SPEAKER_02: 51:18

I do that like I'm like, you know, right before I go on a beach vacation. I always say it's like go go up on your terzepatide and and go and do a few M sculpt treatments, get ready for the beach. I love it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 51:31

Yeah, yeah, but no, his lifestyle would be way too stressful for me. I need to just live. And so I always just kind of in the back of my mind, like, you know, like it's really about community. I mean, I've I've had good times and bad times in my life and stressful times, and then times of like healing. And those times of healing, you know, usually like like psychological, you know, it's like or when you first fall in love, like you know just how that stuff is so much more impactful. Like your mental health and your mental well-being and your spiritual well-being is so much more impactful that on our health. We just can't measure it, so we don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 52:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 52:08

Once we can measure it, people be like, Oh, okay. And so I just try to really maximize that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 52:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 52:15

I mean, one, I'm just limited by budget. I'm I'm a single mom and putting my kid through college. I don't want them to have loans, you know. I like I'm not gonna do all that stuff. So I just like yeah, I just want to be careful when I buy the things that like all the techie and all that stuff, you know. I want to know that it works. Like, I did try one of the trackers, you know, I had a ring tracker. It wasn't an aura ring, it was another brand, and I'm not gonna call that the brand, but it cannot work for me.

SPEAKER_02: 52:40

Now, like the aura ring's the only thing they can sell in the US. Oh, really? Because they got rid of the rest of the apps. Yeah, because I was about to buy one of the other rings. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 52:50

Um, because I knew one of the other ones, I did not like it. And again, I'm not gonna mention their name, but I was like, it's superhuman, we'll keep it off.

SPEAKER_04: 52:58

So it just it was like totally inconsistent.

SPEAKER_06: 53:02

I mean, I I I was like, oh, this would be great. I can use it for my VO2 Max. Yeah, did not work. I would like always compare it. I have a polar, so now I just put on a polar every morning and I get my HRV and you know strap.

SPEAKER_02: 53:15

You know, yeah, I have the whoop and that's actually pretty good. The newest one, I think look, even the older one was way off from the because I have the carol bike and I'll put on that chest strap, and the heart rate's like way different because like the whoop was reading my heart rate too high to even do the carol bike. I'm like, oh, take this out, put the strap on. It's like my heart rate.

SPEAKER_06: 53:39

You know what was odd to me is that at I I work out at EOS, and I'd always heard that those, you know, the things that you hold are so inconsistent. Yeah, I actually found them completely consistent with my polar. They were they were in they were consistently like two beats behind. Yeah, but I was like, it was completely consistent, and I'm and then I'm like, well, this ring is supposed to be working, it's it still doesn't even know that I'm working out yet, you know, and then my sleep was all off and it was causing me a lot of stress.

SPEAKER_02: 54:05

And I'm like, okay, just one of the things like I I think like with my sleep, both the the whoop and the aura ring, they're pretty close. This usually whoop usually gives me more deep sleep. Um, and then I have the eight eight sleep bed, which is always kind of in between the aura ring and this. So the aura ring always gives me a little less sleep. And I don't know, sometimes it could be turned, it reads it the wrong way. What kind of pissed me off was I was in Europe last month and or at the beginning of this month, and I was like, I definitely walked more than 10,000 steps, and both the ring and the whoop read under 7,000 steps, and I'm like, there's no freaking way.

SPEAKER_04: 54:48

I was like that that was the last that was my last straw, was that the ring was completely off compared to what my phone was saying. Usually my phone is less because I leave it on the counter or something like that. I'm like, all right, like ring, that's it. Um I'm breaking up with you. So I put it, I just it was causing just stress, you know. I'm like, yeah, but yeah, we have whole discussions.

SPEAKER_06: 55:07

I have a little we're like the little group chat with a few of us by hackers, and like I can't remember which who it was. I think is it Dave?

SPEAKER_04: 55:16

A few like they're like looking at like they're like this whole they've got this whole logarithmic differences between like everything and like figuring it all out.

SPEAKER_05: 55:24

I was like, Yeah, like again, that's way too much stress for it.

SPEAKER_02: 55:29

But it it's also like it's also become like this huge marketing and how much money they can make from the different because it's like are they pitching this because it really works? And it's tough to like get where they're um like are they just trying to sell product, you know? Um, that that's where it really gets questionable, and like you need to really dig deep because it it's Gary Breca, Dave Asprey, and Ben Greenfield. That's like every biohacking website that you go to, those three guys are on it, and you're like, all right, like, yeah, they're getting free product and trying it out, and they're saying this is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but yeah, is it truly yeah, yeah, is it truly it? Yeah, yeah. So you need to get it.

SPEAKER_06: 56:16

Yeah, I was gonna get the whoop, and then I just thought, you know what? Like, I got this low-tech way of checking my HRV every morning. Okay, I'm not getting like minute to minute, but I have an idea if it's going up or down, whether I could work out hard or should I take it slow today, or you know, that kind of it's really all I really want it for. Yeah, and I don't really want to track my sleep. Yeah, like the eight sleep like looks like a dream, but then I'm thinking, when you go on vacation, do you sleep?

SPEAKER_04: 56:40

Or do you have trouble sleeping because like that's my worst I travel, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 56:45

And not the eight sleep. My bed is like I spent a lot of money on my bed, and it was tough getting the eight sleep because I'm like, oh, if this ruptures and messes up this bed, my wife's gonna kill me. And I actually like put it, I ordered it, I put it on the bed, like when my wife was out, and and like one night one of our kids had a fever, and I'm like, hey, put them on my on our bed, I can cool it down. And she's like, and I was heating and cooling the bed for her, like, and she didn't notice for a few weeks until like once my son had a fever, and we put him, she's like, Oh, I love this thing.

SPEAKER_04: 57:22

So yeah, but you don't find it hard then when you travel, because like that would be my worst fear.

SPEAKER_02: 57:27

My my tougher part is the mattresses when I travel. I and that's how I choose hotels. I'm like, I I look at the beds and I'm like, all right, I can't, or like when we Airbnb, I'm like, I can't stay in that place. I'm like, I'm gonna be dealing with back issues. Like you look at the beds and you're like, no, I can't sleep. So it the bed comforts like the the thing more because like with the eight sleep, like when I when we go on trips, you just set the you know, you cool the room down like the yeah 65. That's true. Um, but like you know where you don't have as much trouble, it's more the comfort of the bed than okay.

SPEAKER_04: 58:06

Yeah, that's good to know.

SPEAKER_02: 58:08

Although now that's one more thing I gotta add to my list, but yeah, yeah, I I love it, but like I got it, and then three months later they came out with the newest one that has the blanket and everything, and you can't get the yeah, you know, they'll always come out.

SPEAKER_04: 58:23

There's always something new.

SPEAKER_06: 58:25

There's always something new, yeah. Well, yeah, I don't know. I just try to stay, yeah, try to keep it mellow and just I have this whole theory on this like like you gotta get the foundation right because there's just no sense like if you're not eating well, of course your hormones are gonna be messed up. So like let's get your diet right because now you're gonna like naturally kind of level out your hormones to as much as you can, right? And then you know, so your diet, exercise, sleep, kind of get those down because that's pretty much I mean, I feel like that's 80% of it right there.

SPEAKER_03: 58:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 58:57

Get that down. Obviously, relationships and spiritual health and mental health goes along with that. But you know, so kind of getting that in order, then you're like, okay, now can we optimize my hormones? Now can we do some kind of low invasive treatments, you know, supplements, a few things on top of that. Then once you have that, now you can start looking at the icing on the cake. I would do like the non-invasive stuff first, you know, like the plunging, the HBOT, the the bed, you know, all that stuff. Then you can like, okay, now I'm looking at stem cells and exosomes and the more tricky stuff, but you know, kind of like looking at it more as like like you're building maybe you're layer a layer cake or something or building a structure, you know. Um and so I just try to like I feel like that the the whole the whole of the world, but all of you know of America especially, like we would be so much better off if we dial down like all the stressful parts of biohacking and like let's focus on this, and once people start feeling good, they'll be able to do that. Yeah, and I I think that's

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:00

huge that that's where like you know you've done so well and like you I I think that's what you can teach a lot of people is like you know you you don't need all this stuff you know these are you know just try a few things these are you know and people don't understand and we always come back to the foundations of sleep meditation uh exercise and like and people think you know and I I know you do little tidbits of exercise throughout the day and that's what that's what people need to understand is like you don't need to be this hardcore gym person. Right like you you can get things done in 15 20 minutes and that's all I do all I do and that's you know I tell my patients I see them I'm like you know you want to get on GLP one get some resistance bands there's and I give them the two companies that I think I have both of them and I think they're great companies and like that's all you need and I think I get more cut and like better better muscles with just resistance bands and like I spent um I have the tonal and you know I know that's almost similar but I get better results with the resistance bands than the 3,000 or now 5,000 piece of equip dollar piece of equipment at home. So you know just balancing it out and doing your core foundational changes you know and just making a plan for especially the patients like just to figure out you know and don't do spot treatments. If you're not gonna get your sleep right like the rest of the stuff's gonna, you know, you're not gonna be able to lose weight you're not you're not gonna be able to recover. You're gonna continue to get injured. And that that's like the aura ring when it tells me like your readiness is like 65 like I'm not gonna go and push it extra hard that day like training you know I'm like I'm gonna take it easy and it it it is able to like kind of tell you like when you're about to get sick at the beginning of wearing it but like you got to get past that phase. At the beginning you definitely like kind of get caught up in it and it gets pretty intense. You're like but then like the good part is like once you figure out your whole body and like you biohack and optimize everything when things change you know when they changed.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:29

Yeah that's when like all that stuff is really helpful. Yeah I think the beginning is like getting that mindset straight. And if once once people have their minds made up you can't stop them from doing anything. So if you can get that mindset and sometimes it takes a little bit of like success and feeling good. So it's like I just I really want to help people just tweak those tiny habits you know get small little tweaks that you get those small wins that then slowly like what was it James Clear calls them like aggregate something or other you know when you're just basically taking like tiny small wins and if you add that up or over a lifetime I mean we really we've got to get rid of this eight weeks to a beach body mindset. It's just that like you got to eliminate that and just look at like this is the rest of your life. So you know you've got between now and whatever you think you're gonna live or however long you want to live what are all the like small little things you can pepper out throughout that life so that you're in great shape.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:22

Yeah and and I've never done the biological testing because I'm like you know there's all these different companies doing them and like everyone talks down about the other one and like what does it really mean you know like so I I will say this like I do think like a lot of them like there well there's the Horvath clock and I've I've played around with that because you just put input your numbers like it's an online thing you can yeah but those numbers as you well know they change the ones that you're inputting.

SPEAKER_06: 1:03:50

So that yeah it's a you know it's a decent estimation but the pace of aging is actually one of the best clocks in there and and I always forget his name and I've got to make a point of listening he was just on Peter Atia's podcast and just saying like that really is he's from the Buck Institute they that is like the best test we have so far and it's pretty legitimate to get your pace of aging not so much like you're 36 you know biologically 36.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:17

That's all kind of like yeah no I I think it's worthwhile for some people for me I'm like does it matter to me I I don't I don't think I care enough to test it. I've thought about it thought about I'm like I I just I'm like I'd rather like play around with my lab numbers and optimize them than like get this eight score which yeah like is it really going to matter to me that's kind of like Michael Leskardon is like that too he's more about optimizing those things.

SPEAKER_06: 1:04:47

I like I like the pace of aging I try to do it towards the end of the year only because I just see it as sort of a overall signal of or a signal of the overall system.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:57

But yeah I pay more attention I go more often to get those other just random you know routine blood tests I find yeah and and and yeah and for for some people like I'm not saying that's a it's a bad thing because I I think you know for some people they they should know like you know like i i if you're aging poorly like you need to change your lifestyle in some way maybe you need to quit your job you maybe you need a divorce or yeah it can be find someone a wake up call for sure yeah you need to hang out with different people um because it it's ruining your life so you need to change things to make it better for yourself uh or like get more sleep what whatever it is uh it it might be a wake up call for a lot of people for me for me like I got I got it done five years ago it wasn't really it it just you know um I forget what it was called but it was it was one of the first ones it they came they drew my labs and then um through my labs they told me like what my numbers were um I was off of TRT at the time so my testosterone was low and that was one of the main things they based like my biological age but it was like around the same maybe a year older than I was the whoop says I'm like three years older with my sleep and stress level um but you know I'm in medicine so expect it to be like 10 years older so I'm probably seven years ahead so it's probably better.

SPEAKER_06: 1:06:30

Yeah yeah I can imagine oh my gosh um yeah no I I was interesting because last year my pace of aging sped up I mean it was still like great but you know it was sped up and then all this stuff happened you know and I was in the middle of like hormone issues so it was like very predictive of all the things I was gonna eventually learn.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:49

So it was interesting I was like yeah okay that now that makes sense you know I was kind of like wait a minute that's not supposed to be going that way you know yeah like even if I don't do like workouts for like two, three days or four days, I'm like I I noticed like I'm not as focused and like or I'm not enjoying what I'm doing as much. I'm like I need to get you know I'm like even if it's like at nine or 10 at night I need to get on those resistance bands get them get that workout in and like I wake up it's like whole new day. It just like totally opens things up.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:23

Yeah that's awesome.

SPEAKER_06: 1:07:24

Yeah that's the one thing I'm noticing I'm I was I've been pretty ADHD my whole life you know and yeah um as I get healthier and healthier I'm like I could never actually just sit down and read a book. I I've been listening to like I read about a hundred books a year but I'm listening to to them um and now I'm finally sorry I'm finally sitting I'm able to sit down and read yeah and like focus on the page and the words aren't all jumping around the place I know that like something's happening between my brain and my body getting healthier that I'm able to focus more. Yeah it's just it's very very pleasant.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:58

I enjoy it yeah like the neuroinflammation compared compared to your rest of your body yeah I think I have ADHD too and like as I've listened to more stuff I'm like I definitely have it because one of the things is like I get hyper focused on me too I get like things and I'm like and I can't let them go and I'm like oh that that's totally me. I'm like I I don't have like I'm not like all over the place but like some things I get hyper focused on and there it is and that's yeah that's my ADHD and like my wife my wife thinks I'm like Cloudy Spacey or she she calls me on the spectrum which I probably sort of have that but adult aid ADHD is part of that spectrum ish type of thing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:47

So it's yeah yeah I can always tell when he's gonna get a new toy because he'll like he'll like bring it up and then a couple of days later he'll bring it up again and then me and his brother will look at each other and we're like it'll be in the office next week.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:03

He'll have been up till midnight researching it every night. And sometimes I blame it on my brother. I'm like oh he bought it so I don't get in trouble. Here comes our yeah our hyperbaric machine the red light I was I want I want to work with you guys have all the fun toys be like Brian Johnson in no time the good part is like yeah for us we can we can try this stuff out but it it's also like we implement it into the business we I do plenty of research in it and it it's like functionally appropriate so yeah um so we bring it in um yeah with the new surgery center like the red light bed we're again it's gonna be amazing it's a um it's got like hydrogen therapy inhalation and red light it's got PMF uh everything and vibrational acoustic so it's gonna like it's gonna be a game changer in the plastic sur like plastic surgery world um I I just love that you know it's something I got into and uh it's just been amazing um and just trying to get it out there and getting people and set setting up everything so we we can like have a great place like that.

SPEAKER_06: 1:10:24

So that's gonna be really cool.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:26

It's a very forward thinking compared to the other plastic surgeons I'm sure yeah it it's a huge selling point as well for our patients because we are so concerned about we want to get them back to their normal lives, right? Six weeks is an average downtime for a lot of our surgeries but getting them through all of this getting their scars you know or their incision lines to scar much better um you know and just getting them back to their life because around that two week mark people start to get a little crazy because they can't really work out and you know and they sometimes can take a little dip in their mental wellness because they're just not doing what they normally do.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:04

So it's really important for us to get them back to their normal life so they can move on and yeah and I I just didn't want to like I used to before like six seven years ago I used to be like I used to tell Krista or whenever she started I like some of the cases we were doing yeah some of the cases we do I'd be like man why am I doing that you know like tummy tuck on someone that's high BMI and and stuff and you know over time I'm like there there's a reason I don't do them like although we didn't have many complications I was like I'm just not getting the results I want you know like and I needed to just optimize these people now we're optimizing them so they can have the tummy tuck. Because you know just like you're gonna do it and they might feel great at the beginning but then they're gonna go back to their old habits and they're you know they're not gonna feel great about themselves. Like you got to get them feeling good about themselves before you start doing surgeries on them that are you know I I think like having the trauma of surgery itself it's gonna put you in sort of a depressed mood whether it's from the anesthesia or the pain whatever it is like before you know some people kick back up but like those are the motivated people and they're in shape they're optimized they do great postoperatively the people that you know they they gain the weight right back or you know um they don't keep up with what it is few few patients do get better and they are like all right this is new beginning I'm gonna take it yeah but a lot of time and you know we don't do high BMI patients other than when we have to do them for breast cancer uh because of that and we try to get them into shape before like doing any sort of surgery to you know to be there and so they know we're there to help them across their whole journey not just like you know just do surgery and then they're gone.

SPEAKER_06: 1:13:15

Do you do you guys find I don't I assume you don't do gastric bypass but like are are people doing less gastric bypass because of the GLP ones?

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:23

I was just kind of thinking about that like um it did it did take quite a dip um but like there there's a lot of new studies coming out uh with long-term costs of uh the gastric bypass versus GLP ones which shows that the gastric bypasses and sleeves they're actually cost effectiveness they're a lot better because lifelong being on GLP ones is not as good um and you know most of these patients do need to be on lifelong GLP ones but there are like a ton of gastric bypass patients that plateaued um and we've gotten them on GLP ones to continue to lose weight or they come in already on GLP ones after they had gastric bypass to be able to have further surgeries because they once they got on GLP ones they lost another 50 60 pounds. So um it it it definitely hindered gastric bypass surgery but it it's also like you know you see these studies and you know I've gotten into like everything's propaganda uh especially with big pharma what they're trying to push uh you know like with the GLP ones you heard like great things as it was coming out and then they ran into the shortage so they tried to kind of like be like all right there's a lot of people are noticing nausea and stuff to stop people from going to compound pharmacies and because their stuff was running out and then you know like then they're coming out and saying the compounded stuff doesn't work you're doing harm to yourself doing the comp and and it's the same stuff that they're selling you know um and we're seeing they're just as functional like yeah some patients even if they take the pharmaceutical grade stuff they're not losing weight um because they're not doing all the foundational stuff to get to that because it's not going to be a magic drug uh for everyone and you gotta put in some work and like we we try to repair their gut and you know with some of the peptides um and probiotics and stuff uh before getting them on a GLP one so they can have be most effective.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:49

I could not I could not do that. I just like you got to have better habits.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:55

Yeah I I've been on them for like three years almost um and you know I like just fluctuate I usually take pretty low dose just to I was gonna say is that control my sugars and stuff.

SPEAKER_06: 1:16:08

Aren't people like microdosing I think that's kind of a new thinking there's some there's some thinking um not I don't I don't remember which one it is but that they're looking at its um impact for um brain diseases like Alzheimer's oh yeah definitely well the GLP ones you the semaglutide terzactide they both they do have effects on Alzheimer's disease it was actually that's why it was originally formulated is that they were using it and studying it for Alzheimer's dementia. But then they saw the um how much it controlled somebody's A1C and they brought it out and made it a type two diet so really it's kind of like somebody who was headed on that path it can keep but it's not going to take somebody who's optimized and make them better protected against like say somebody who's not having any A1C issues they're not you know what I mean like somebody who's completely healthy then they just start taking it that's not going to really protect them from the like Alzheimer's right so if they weren't headed well bringing down that inflammation that neuroinflammation will definitely help kind of protect them.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:14

Yeah because the whole thing's about like sugar spikes and this kind of moderates just like they don't need to be necessarily on a GLP one maybe just low dose metformin or dihydroberine or berberine instead of like the GLP1 you know if your your weight and stuff's optimized you you don't necessarily need the GLP one. The GLP one definitely is the easier route because it's once a week shot you don't have to take a pill um and it controls your sugars pretty well uh and like metformin is going to be anti-inflammatory um and you know and the way they found out like the positive effects of metformin was because the diabetic patients got less cancer than the rest of the nerve Barzali speak about that and it was very very interesting.

SPEAKER_06: 1:18:05

It's like wow you know so I start I actually started taking berberine I've been on it for like six months. Yeah um and again I'm gonna have my blood tested here in a few weeks and we'll go over it with my doctor and I'm I'm curious to see the impact on my A1C. But I definitely feel I don't really feel like I have low blood sugar or anything like that, but I do feel there's some impact on my um appetite I don't seem to be craving sugar that's anything.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:32

Yeah I mean like I'm very satisfied with blueberries whereas in the past it would be like every night like really like some ice cream right now you know it's like oh no blueberries is that's like plenty you know yeah yeah it moderates your blood sugar so you're not like methforman does the same thing it it's moderating your blood sugar so you're not gonna have highs and lows unless you already have highs and lows yeah um before yeah have you ever worn a CGM?

SPEAKER_06: 1:18:58

Yeah I have I've done that many times and um I haven't actually that I haven't put it on since I started taking the berberine now that I think about it oh yeah you should I should do that. It's interesting to see I should do that because I didn't really have too many spikes. In fact I put it on thinking this will really motivate me to not eat pizza and like and why blood sugar didn't spike when I had pizza I'm like are you serious? Like it did not white rice either potatoes it was like um grapes like it was some fruits you know that was spiking it but um all the things that I was like oh this will keep you know I'll see the spike and then I won't you know and it was not spiking I'm like oh okay yeah my friend said he was like drinking beer and it would never spike of course like we really need like an insulin what we need is an insulin monitor for it's very insulin spiking then I might be like oh okay we don't know what's really happening behind the scenes so yeah like yeah so you is there any other supplements that you would recommend to I'm I'm just all about like you know the the basics obviously the um a D3K2 I think you know how much you take of that depends on your blood work and all of that but um I take a fish oil like a um do you take fatty 15 or I don't because I started you know I looked into that research and I am like an avid I'm a big fat butter fan so of like all the um I do a lot of butter and grass fed cheeses and I I actually calculated out and I'm like I'm getting more than I would get in that supplement. So I decided I didn't I didn't really need it. I'd rather have the butter. So yeah I'm not you know it's not I'm not gaining weight so I'm not worried about that part of it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:42

That's where I um like because they they say it has more positive effects than your fish oil but do you still need to take fish oil yeah you do because it's different because you got your omega threes your omega sixes and then what is this C15 or something like that.

SPEAKER_06: 1:20:56

Yeah anyway I don't know I saw yeah I I take that I still take the omegas I've now been um messing around with this Av McCall I noticed um Rhonda Patrick was talking about this because she's all over the sulfurophane and yeah um and I had been doing like Moringa and I had done like the broccoli sprouts in the past and all of that. And then I noticed she was taking that's a lot more convenient than this you know moringa every morning or something like that. So um I haven't noticed any big differences but it you know I don't know it's a nice insurance policy and I don't have to grow the sprouts anymore. But I do still eat my broccoli and yeah optimize for that. But um so those are the ones that I've added that are new. I used to take a B complex all the time um but I was getting like overmethylated which was really I had never been overmethylated in my life I was always undermethylated. I didn't know you could go from under to over but all of a sudden I was just like anxious all the time I couldn't sleep I was really like um so when I talked to my doctor she's like oh yeah you're you're overmethylated so um I just took it out and I'm just doing like a multivitamin yeah that has a few B vitamins in there but nothing major. Yeah and um I'm trying to think what else I know there's more magnesium. Oh yeah I'm a big fat magnesium hog like I feel like I've I've it's gone down since I don't need as much sugar. I notice you know the more carbs and sugar I eat the more magnesium I need. Yeah. But if um I'm you know since I started taking the berberine I've noticed I'm taking like and I used to take like six to nine hundred and now I'm definitely like four to six hundred a day. Yeah um for sure. So um what else there's not a lot I don't I don't get too far into that I mean I'm always like trying different things like I love um I take uh liposomal glutathione yeah um simp from symbiotic I really like I like that because it's like not pills so um they taste good and I I'll take their vitamin C not every day but but some of their stuff has a lot of sugar that's like I was taking their stuff too and then I'm like oh that's like yeah that that's the only thing that or his calories you know when you're like really counting calories it's like that's just more calories a day if you're doing a bunch of them but so I just do a few of them. Yeah and they have a few fun ones in there that I'll take just for the dessert of it all like the IR IRC moss you know like that's tastes really good but I don't take it every day. Yeah um but the glutathione I try to take every day you know it's just a matter of I had just recently learned like about not taking antioxidants around when you work out that that can have negative effects on like the hormesis and everything that's going on. Yeah. So um I'm not usually you have to kind of take that liposomal glutathione when you're fasted. So I'm like okay well I have to take it I guess when I go to bed or you know so sometimes I forget it's not real consistent but I do take it and I do notice a difference in my skin and um that kind of stuff. So yeah. What's in the novose that you take with the thing yeah that's the other thing I take is so novos I won't know all if so people are gonna have to look it up but I know there's there's glycine there's calcium alpha ketoglutarate there is uh physotin there uh magnesium malate so malic acid is in there um is it their longevity complex or which one I think yeah so the novos core and that and that did slow my pace of aging down by eight percent because I went from 0.76 when I wasn't take had never taken it before so that was at you know month zero. Yeah and then you I took another pace of aging test at six months and I had lowered my pace of aging by eight months or eight.8 yeah um which is huge you know it's like huge and in those six months those were you know my mental health was not in a good place it was in a really stressful situation so what do you do for that? My mental health um at that point I was just crying that was a very hard time but you know it's your kids are suffering it's it's very very hard and um I uh but I do meditate every day I started meditating in 2019. Well I started meditating like my whole life but really effectively meditating in 2019. Yeah um and I have a therapist like a that I've seen since I was 30 and had all these original issues. So I kind of I'll I don't talk to her every week but I'll you know when things get out I'll get around to have weekly sessions. And then you know friends and yeah journaling and you know all the things you're supposed to do I do you know I I do but sometimes like life is just hard and you're just waved up and it's just an every minute to minute decision to make sure you stay healthy. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:44

Yeah. Yeah and there's a lot of tools to meditate nowadays. I I have a bunch of machinery to meditate but like there's also you know like you just have your YouTubes for breath work and stuff and meditation that could like even that the or even iPhone apps that you know could give you the different lights to get you meditating appropriately. I I think like there's a lot of tools out and that we have our hands that we can definitely use to you know like and you only need like five minutes or so to kind of calm yourself. Yeah was it Huberman talks about this whole psych what is it called physiological sigh you know so I was trying that one day because I didn't have time to sit down and meditate and I was like actually that worked that really worked you know but I just I noticed because I have shoulders just kind of like oh I feel I feel good you know yeah yeah I have the brain tap and that kind of goes through like the breath work it does like all the different things and like he was talking about the like if you're having trouble sleeping doing the cycle and I had been doing that where you do the um it's the four seven eight breath oh yeah you do Andrew Weil used to do that like I used to do that I didn't start it out like a long time ago I started and then like one of the Instagram ads popped up with Huberman saying it I was like oh there you go. Now now everyone's gonna start doing it it it does like three three rounds and you're like back out again.

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:16

Really I've been doing the thing where you just like like roll your eyes up in your head and like move because it um you say it makes your brain produce melatonin or makes your body produce melatonin.

SPEAKER_06: 1:27:27

Yeah and um I haven't heard of and then and it was it what's his name Walker forgot his first name the sleep guy he was saying like when you can't sleep like go on a walk in your mind.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:36

Yeah and that works I get like halfway around my mental block you know and I'm usually out yeah yeah just counting like when you're breathing breathing like kind of gets you to like forget about the rest of the things yeah yeah yeah yeah sometimes it's just too much too much the world is too much you know I know I know I'm like I try on the different things I have I'm like I can't get to sleep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:05

Yeah.