Age Proof

Pain Can Make You Stronger. Do You Know How?

• Drs Torabi • Season 1 • Episode 17

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What does a sustainable fitness life look like when the cameras are off?

We talk with a coach who wakes at 2 a.m., fuels smart, and runs a “healthy Cheers” where people show up for smoothies, support, and workouts that actually stick.

She shares practical routines: simple breakfasts, low-impact workouts with bands and kettlebells, daily mobility, and supplements that actually matter. 

Learn how to train consistently, recover wisely, and choose foods that fuel your body without hype.

If you want a fitness routine that lasts, not just impresses, subscribe, share, and pick one habit to start this week.

SPEAKER_03:

What's your background? When did you get into fitness, being your best self?

SPEAKER_00:

I would say what you're doing now. Yeah, I would say when we opened our nutrition bar, so nutrition had to show 15 years ago, 14 years ago. And that the reason was I wanted to get new results and I wanted to be able to lead by example. So I wanted to get the best shape that I could and be that. I never wanted to be a coach that someone said, Oh, you got to see my coach. She used to compete or she used to be really.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_00:

So that was like super important to me. So I dug in deep, did a uh bodybuilding show, and then fell in love with that whole process. So that was it for me.

SPEAKER_04:

And the nutrition star, are you doing that with your husband or yeah?

SPEAKER_00:

So my husband has recently passed away.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, but yes, we did open that together, and that was awesome. So we got to work together and work out together, and took him a little bit longer to get on board as far as the health side of it. Yeah, you know, but um he followed suit and then it was really.

SPEAKER_03:

Do you mind if I asked what happened with that?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, um, I mean, no, I don't mind. Um he was 50, really good shape, and his he had plaque buildup. So it was mild to moderate, is what we come to find out, which was not super concerning. Yeah, but a chunk of it broke off and then he collapsed and took him right away.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So they think possibly um hereditary, there are some heart challenges in his family or previous lifestyle. So way back in the day, he had a pretty fun party lifestyle.

SPEAKER_02:

High, like their family runs high blood cholesterol levels and stuff. Yep. So sorry to hear that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_04:

And do you so uh yeah, your uh your nutrition plates are you making meal plans for the pati uh people that come in or yeah, so there it think of like a cheers, like somebody my age would know what cheers is.

SPEAKER_00:

The young kids don't know, but like a healthy bar, you don't know. How old are you?

SPEAKER_04:

44. Did you know chairs? Come on.

SPEAKER_00:

Cheers the bar where everybody knows your name. Oh, chairs.

SPEAKER_03:

I got kicked out of chairs twice. Yeah, I know what chairs is. Sorry, it's funny. I thought chairs was like a name of like this health specific place that he knew that I have no idea about. So I automatically I'm like, I don't know that. I got kicked out of chairs twice.

SPEAKER_00:

So you know, so it's like that, right? Well, we don't have to apologize for things we don't remember the next day because we're not drinking, right? Yeah, but it it creates that environment. So people come and they sit and they hang out at the bar, they get to know each other and kind of like root for each other and yeah, out. So we serve healthy smoothies, waffles, energy drinks, stuff like that. And then outside of that, we do fitness. So we were before Vince passed away, we were doing fitness every single day. Okay. So Monday through Saturday in the morning we had a free workout, and then sometimes we'll run stairs or we'll do sprints at the track, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03:

You work out every day? I do. Do you have a single break day or you feel like not typically?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, I'll listen to my body if I need it, but my break would be maybe like a hike, like take a walk or something, take it easy.

SPEAKER_02:

Is an afternoon.

SPEAKER_00:

I can't, I'm so like get up and go. It's weird with my psyche if I don't do something.

SPEAKER_04:

Are there routines you follow every day?

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, actually, this is like what I want to get into the routine of asking all our guests. When you wake up, what do you do?

SPEAKER_00:

My whole day.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh let's start with the morning. What do you do in the morning before you get going on your day? Supplements, exercise, stretching. Yep. No matter what it is, like before you get out the door, what do you like set out to do?

SPEAKER_00:

So I get up three hours before I have to be wherever I have to be. So I get up between 2 and 3 a.m. So this is a very late night for me. Um, but so I get up between two and three. No, I'm just joking. We could have done this earlier. I'm just joking. Um, and then I get up and I go and I make my herbal tea and I have some immunity that I put in there.

SPEAKER_03:

And then um what sorry uh Jack, what what's your herbal tea?

SPEAKER_00:

So it's a green tea, and then it's a zinc echinacea, and then immunity essentials, which is uh like a multivitamin for the immune system.

SPEAKER_03:

So it's a little bit of uh caffeine and mostly to boost your immune system.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. And so in the winter it'll be hot, in the summer it's cold. So I make that and then I turn on personal development. So usually I'll listen to different audiobooks or like audios. I have some of my favorites, depending on like what space I'm in and what I feel like listening to. So that will play the whole time, the whole morning while I'm getting ready. And then I'll make my breakfast. My breakfast every day is the same thing. So I do oats and blueberries and then protein powder in my oats. And then um, I'll put greens, like a green powder in there.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And then eat that, and then I'll check my emails and get into that and then do my social media. So I'm running my personal page and then both of my nutrition bars, I run those pages. So if I don't get all of that done before I get to my workout, which is the three hours after, yeah, I just feel like the day has gotten ahead of me, you know? So then I don't have to rush and I know that everything that I need to do is done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So I'll do something every day. There, there's a couple days where we do our free workout that I'll run stairs with the group. So at the complex, we have some stairs. So we'll do that, get a little cardio warm-up, and then it's like a bodyweight resistance type workout.

SPEAKER_03:

You just go up and down stairs, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So there's 11 different flights in our complex. So we'll go up and down each one four times. So it takes about 15, 20 minutes, depending on the person. So kind of warm us up there, and then we'll do bodyweight resistance or like light kettlebells and dumbbells.

SPEAKER_03:

Wrestling practice in high school, we used to have to pull carry uh our partners that were the same weight up like a good like what 30 stairs repeatedly, like five times. Yeah, the stadium stairs. Yeah, stadium stairs. I like stairs.

SPEAKER_00:

I like stairs because I feel like it's muscle building cardio, you know?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it's uh the angle also probably gives you a benefit for your knee joint, like fluid dynamics. Yeah, again, I I can't tell you for a fact, but like they're like just going from what Sarah tells me the the um Peloton riding a cycle and having that ex like flexion and extension helps the fluid flow. So it probably like keeps the cartilage and stuff well like like intact.

SPEAKER_04:

Just like the knees over toes guy, how he does like over over flexion.

SPEAKER_03:

You don't want to you don't want to break that down, like you don't want to do it like where it's like breaking your cartilage down where you're gonna need a knee replacement, but you do want to have everything flowing fluidly to make sure like you're 80 years old and you don't need a knee replacement.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, well that's the biggest thing is yeah, it's like yeah, my posterior chain used to be so tight, and like I've kind of started doing the knees over toes guy, and like just I bought one of the machines and doing like Nordic curls every morning almost helps out quite a bit, and then doing sit-ups kind of opens up my psoas muscles on that machine because you're overextending.

SPEAKER_03:

I would I was doing uh like making sure my like pretty much backside was very well stretched, like hamstring stretches where I can touch my palms to the floor. We get out, do my pec stretches, make sure like that way throughout the day I'm standing up tall or taller than I was.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, surgery just tightens up your posterior chain and then your chest.

SPEAKER_03:

You end up like a vulture. Yeah, like oh god, this meat isn't even dead yet, and I'm still a vulture. Um but open it up, but I noticed like when I was like lifting more, I was doing all the things to get my posture straight. But what I noticed was stuff from like hip flexors and my quads end up having issues because I wasn't stretching those at all, like just simple quad stretches, simple like uh lunges, like those those things that you wouldn't even think about doing. I was just like, Oh, I guess I gotta do this for balance.

SPEAKER_00:

You have to do it. I notice, like as I'm getting older, I feel young, except like you get out of bed and you just don't move quite as fast.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, do you measure biceps? No, why not?

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

You should you should do that and then show it off when you come on to podcasts like this. No, if I say something and you like you don't like, be like, dude, how how wide are your biceps?

SPEAKER_00:

Nice. I'll have to start doing that. My IT bands, you guys IT bands get tight.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep, yeah. I have to roll those in the mornings. A lot of a lot of times you you gotta meet Sarah. Wife's a very good PT. Um, a lot of times where I think it's uh pains close to my patello femoral joint is stemming from my IT. And there there's very simple stretches, and just like, oh, it only took like 10 seconds to do that like yeah, twice a day.

SPEAKER_00:

Isn't it amazing though how many people won't take the time to do it?

SPEAKER_04:

I don't. I know what's I didn't for a while because I I wasn't even like running your own company, I wasn't even working out, and then my way back was like once I started peptides and GLP, I I started doing resistance bands, and that's like I do that, and that definitely got me energized and it's like got me more fluid and moving around without injuring myself.

SPEAKER_03:

For me, it was like not drinking. If I drink, I don't, I'm useless the next day. So yeah, if I don't, like I can sneak in like a 20-minute workout, and that's all it takes uh for most people.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Not not to look like you.

SPEAKER_00:

So have you guys heard of rebound bouncing?

SPEAKER_03:

No, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's another thing I do a couple days a week. I teach a class and now talk about the knees. So it's 80% less impact on the joints. Yeah, so like imagine the trampolines that they do, it but it's in your shoes. It's like the old moon boots.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, I'm like Kramer's.

SPEAKER_00:

So I teach that. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_04:

Like they look like uh like these, they have like you can like three pounds, they have springs, like shells and then like a spring.

SPEAKER_00:

And so we have like sweet moves that we dance, and we have like a fast beat, and yeah, my class is typically middle-age and above, like 40 to 70 year olds. Yeah, and it's so cute to watch them out there, yeah. But you burn like twice the amount of calories as if you were they're called rebound, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Rebounds.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's been my new thing. I love it, it's different, it's really fun.

SPEAKER_04:

How how's like joint-wise and stuff? Um how's that like with a workout like that? Those things.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh that for for that, it's amazing. Yeah, 80% less impact. Yeah, so I have a couple clients that wear knee braces, they can do that class no problem, but they can't do the other things.

SPEAKER_03:

What's the age range of your uh clients?

SPEAKER_00:

Right now, I would say the majority of mine are gonna probably be 30 to 65. Okay, yeah. 10 years ago when we opened the bar, I the the young ones loved me. Now I'm like getting too old for them, I think.

SPEAKER_04:

Does that help with like fascial release and stuff?

SPEAKER_00:

The bouncing, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03:

I'd imagine so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, they're they're like a little nerdy, but I love that. It doesn't bother me.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh if it's helping with your health, that's like it's all good.

SPEAKER_00:

And then you become that like nerdy bouncy girl, and then people expect it.

SPEAKER_04:

So it's how about stability-wise, like they're good.

SPEAKER_00:

So as long as you keep your body centered, yeah, and don't do any crazy like leaning, yeah, you know, or kicking out and getting off balance. I'd imagine you won't fall. Well, your core, you're probably engaging your core, your balance, I mean your your it's muscle toning, your endurance.

SPEAKER_03:

And I think the more you like do that, like we've talked about this in the past, yeah, like that also helps with longevity in the mind, where like it like fights off dementia. Like if if you if you lose balance on a regular basis, you're most likely gonna lose memory too.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, Tony Robbins always talks about jumping on a trampoline, yeah. Like before this is pretty much yeah, he jumps on a trampoline even on stage. He usually takes one on stage with him and he jumps on a trampoline.

SPEAKER_00:

And honestly, it you feel like a kid. I it's it's a great way to, it's not easy, but it's like so fun that you forget how hard it is. Yeah, the club my class is only 30 minutes long, it's like enough, but we get we go perform now, yeah. Like we're gonna have a witch's paddle, so there will be a bunch of people dressed as witches paddling down the lake this weekend, and we're performing. We're like the act that's performing.

SPEAKER_03:

We're gonna take this Salem Salem mess. We have to take this witches paddle, like go full, like hardcore. This is where where it happened, this is where the witches died for this.

SPEAKER_00:

It's uh it's a trip, the witches paddle.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah. I I just saw something about like this witch cult that was like kind of crazy today, and like one of the real I'm like, I don't even know how this showed up on my feeds. Sure, you don't know there was like a lot of things. See, this lady was talking about like they had some guy, like dead guy, and they were eating him. This like satanic cult that and she was a witch, and like she was talking about like she freaked out and they tried to give her a drink and she wouldn't take it, and they just had the sky filleted open like in the middle of the house or whatever they were at. Yeah, they were like someone was eating the tongue, and you watched it then, huh? I was like, this is kind of freaking crazy because she was just talking about it, and I'm like, holy shit, this is I don't know, I was somewhere in the UK you could probably see someone doing it.

SPEAKER_03:

Speaking personally, that must have been freshly dead corpse you can't you can't be chewing on somebody's tongue if it's been dead for more than 24 hours.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah. No, don't say that.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, you like animals won't eat dead, you know. You don't want you don't want to eat a if a vote you don't want to eat a dead dead steak, you know, you don't want to eat a steak that's been left out. Yeah, I'll go to Shiv Dinner Club if I want that. Yeah. Yeah, they'll you know, like that's the stuff that you get 50% off at the supermarket, you know. So the day after. Yeah. Well, in Hawaii, it's like their normal meat's pretty much like left out too too long. It's already like turning dry dry aged. Yeah. So what are some of the supplements that you recommend or like your So I take a multivitamin every day?

SPEAKER_00:

I take a fish oil, yeah, coQ10, um, calcium, yeah, magnesium.

SPEAKER_03:

Um on that point, do you consume any dairy?

SPEAKER_00:

Not a lot, a little bit, and and like very little. Like sometimes I'll make I make a protein pizza, and so there'll be dairy in the crust of that, but I don't do a lot of dairy.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just asking just understand your balance. But I what I was let's let's have her go through her daily routines. My supplements.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm trying to think. So those are the ones how about creatine, any creatine? Oh, yeah, creatine every morning. So my pre my morning drink with my workout is creatine um or pre-workout and then um electricity.

SPEAKER_03:

What's in your pre-workout? A little bit of crack. Last time I took pre-workout was I was just like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00:

It doesn't have the niacin in it. Mine doesn't have that tingle.

SPEAKER_04:

Usually it's the citrulline um that gives you the tingle, tingle. Okay. I don't have that in there. I don't like that. Yeah. And then it feels horrible. I'm like, uh, when's this gonna end so I can work out? It's like itchy.

SPEAKER_03:

So what are your meals like throughout the day then?

SPEAKER_00:

It so I can eat the same thing every day. I don't have to, but just easy for me. So I'll do like my breakfast. I told you guys what my breakfast was, and my lunch would be my lunch and dinner are the same, usually like a good carb. I work on like balance with everything. So good carbs, good fats, good protein. So I'll do a lean protein and then tons of veggies, any kind of veggies I love.

SPEAKER_03:

What's good carbs? Because I have a hard time with good carbs.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so I usually will recommend like quinoa, um brown rice, black rice, jasmine rice, oats. So I'll do oats in the morning, sweet potatoes, butternut squash. Those are like my go-tos.

SPEAKER_03:

Pretty much like high glycemic index. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

And then not bleached, right? So the jasmine rice is we can get it. I do that a lot just because you can cook it so fast.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But those are like my go-tos. And then I love chicken and turkey. That's probably my biggest thing. Fish. I like fish, but it has to be fresh.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I I eat a lot of leftovers, so I don't like cold fish. I will do that when I compete, and I kind of am over that. Yeah. And then dinner will be the same, and then I do my shake right before bed.

SPEAKER_03:

How much lighter are you in weight than you are now when you compete?

SPEAKER_00:

Honestly, I could do a show this weekend, so I'll stay the same.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what I could see. Would it be like mostly like sucking water weight?

SPEAKER_00:

I didn't even the last two shows I did, I didn't even cut water. I literally showed up and I actually ate a little bit more to be a little fuller.

SPEAKER_03:

Rodmere used to do.

SPEAKER_00:

He There's so many different ways you can do it. The way I do it is like really odd and different.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, you're at your best because that's what you are every day.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so for me, it's like lifestyle. So it's not anything crazy when I go do a show, and this I just choose to have it that way.

SPEAKER_03:

So I don't Do you feel weird that you're not here in a bikini?

SPEAKER_00:

No, but I love bikinis. I would have done it if I if I needed to. It's my most favorite thing ever. Yeah. I love it.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That's why I think I love Lake Cavassy. You can wear those everywhere.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I had moved away from drinking milk, but then I'm like, as I give more and more milk to my kids, I'm like, I'm like, why? Am I canceling dairy out one? And then I'm replacing with like these protein powders. And I'm like, might as well drink the pure, like, you know, grass fed milk. Um, I think, you know, you're gonna get the protein, the fats.

SPEAKER_03:

And we should just buy some cows that can suck right from the otter.

SPEAKER_04:

No, I that that's what that's the way I've thought about it. Now I'm like, I gotta introduce milk because we used to drink tons of milk when we were kids.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, oh, we were we were told like you like we could we could barely afford it, but like if you don't drink three glasses of milk, you're gonna we had it delivered, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You're gonna so gross, and it was whole milk.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yep, yeah. Yeah, like that that's all I get for my kids, and I'm like, you know, I started you know, putting in my coffee and drinking more of it. I'm like I'm like, I'm using protein powders, which is similar stuff, but this is pure stuff. So yeah. And I don't have issues. You can't take enough to help you out.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I have like like this whole my whole arm breaks out, like it's all over my chest, even my face, and anytime I consume a ton of dairy, like it breaks out like hardcore. But I've been taking the BPC like for about four weeks now, and like all my skins looked so much better.

SPEAKER_04:

And I told them for like three years, yeah. Like you, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I was just like, okay, if I take BPC but have some alcohol, it's definitely gonna make me feel like crap. Uh but I I started, it's like the first time in honestly, like 25 years where my skin's like gradually getting better every day. So you know that's it. Yeah, not just like not getting worse, but getting better at the time.

SPEAKER_04:

Because it's so anti-inflammatory, you don't you don't flake as much, and like it pretty much gets rid of all the flaking and everything. Yeah, um, because and you know, some of the stuff in there's like antibacterial as well as anti-inflammatory. So I think overall it's like yeah, no matter what these people say, it's like I've seen it with you know, my brother had allergies and he started taking it. He's like, I think I can go down on my allergy meds and then like trying different things, like even methylene blue. Methylene blue kind of energizes you, but also like gets rid of fungus, viral, viral.

SPEAKER_00:

He's also had like yeah, I've been hearing about that one.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, he's had crazy reactions. He stepped on a bunch of sea urchins in St. Martin, yeah, and had an anaphylactic shock. And ever since then, he's been like hyperimmune to everything.

SPEAKER_04:

With like the point where, like, and he I think his We thought it was mental for a while. Well, then the place he was at in the Caribbean, too, his apartment. He might have had Legionella in the in the air conditioner because he didn't. Either way, he spent three years going like this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my dude, this is not like normal.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I kicked him out of my house because he was living with me when he was in training. My wife's like, I can't do this. He would like we would hear him across the house. Oh, how sick, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Not even him. My other brother and I thought it was just like a psychologic disorder. We're like, he actually doesn't have anything wrong. He's used to doing that so much.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03:

But he's finally getting it under control, which is nice.

SPEAKER_04:

But but I think we we've created a new supplement and we're working with one of the influencers about bringing it out, and we're trialing it right now. And I think that's also like along with the BPC, like changes in skin. I think it does improve skin, hair. Um, and then also like sleep. I think I get like no matter if I sleep five hours, six hours, nine hours, it like you get this like incredible deep sleep that I I was, you know, I was hitting the one hour, but now it's like like some nights I'm up to like two hours, and like it's totally changed it. Yeah, yeah. Rest of heart rate or no, no, two hours of deep sleep. Oh, okay. Like even if I'm sleeping six hours, I'm getting like two hours of deep recovery.

SPEAKER_03:

We'll be selling it shortly.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, hopefully.

SPEAKER_00:

That's cool.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, and and and it's you know, I combined a lot of things that I was already taking into like I was like, I don't want to take all this stuff and like uh to hydrate ourselves too, and put it in 64 ounces of water so you're drinking it throughout the day, or usually I finish it within like a couple hours in the morning, but it's got your multivitamins, it's got longevity stuff, it's got NMN, it's got um whole bunch of all the essential aminos, and it's not like athletic greens that has a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Yeah, we have 130 ingredients, but none of them are actually to effective doses. These are like almost everything's to effective doses, and as we make new additions, we're gonna bring more stuff in there to full like the creatine is underdosed in this, but like we're definitely gonna work on increasing the amount of creatine um in there because I was I think like Dana Patrick was talking about, you know, like five five grams of creatine is gonna, you know, that's gonna feed your muscles. Your muscles usually eat up the creatine pretty fast, um, but it does cross the brain blood brain.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh-huh. Five grams. I was curious what you were gonna say.

SPEAKER_03:

So that's what I aim for a day.

SPEAKER_04:

So if if you're looking for the cognitive benefits, you're supposed to take more, like uh like 10 grams. Your muscles are gonna grab most of it, but then um some of it will go to your brain. That's what I'm looking at here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, how much you if I'm taking five, you should be taking 10.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00:

For for these biceps.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But you know what? On that note, I feel like it did help me when I started taking it. Yeah. Because that's newer for me.

SPEAKER_03:

Physically, mentally, or both?

SPEAKER_00:

Physically for sure. Physically, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I took it, you know, like when I was in meth, like before getting into like 1998, 2000.

SPEAKER_03:

High school you were taking creature.

SPEAKER_04:

No, I like high school, I was like trying to stay natural, and then like in college, I started doing like protein and lots of foods. Yeah. Well, like even in college, it was like just eating a ton. Uh, I did drink way too much, but um but then I started using supplements because my mom was so protective, like you couldn't touch anything.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, glutamine was one nitrous glutamine, glycine.

SPEAKER_04:

I think the glycine is why you get such good rest with the supplement. Okay. Yeah. Um but yeah, like I took creatine a lot, but like it was I I was on and off it, and like for years, people said, like, oh, you're gonna have kidney failure, you're gonna gain this water weight and lose all your butt like now it's like most people are like that's like something you gotta have in your supplements that I was nervous about the whole gaining because I was like, man, if I start putting my clients on this and they start gaining weight, these women, yeah, they're gonna jump off a bridge, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

The main thing is if they're regimented or if we're regimented, like this is what we're doing on a daily basis, and adding it onto that is additive. But like if I'm going to like just go and drink like half a liter of vodka, yeah, like that it's it's probably not beneficial. It might actually be beneficial to have some creatine, but like it's like what what are you trying to gain from here? Yeah, like you're still like beating yourself up. Like if you're gonna optimize, let's optimize.

SPEAKER_00:

And don't you guys feel like it should be a daily thing, not just like once in a yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, at least five out of seven days. Yeah, I I personally think five out of seven days minimum to actually get a benefit from anything like that. Yeah, even like you said, Peter Atia is like, oh, supplements don't mean anything if you're not working out. Like that that makes you seem like you have to be training to have any benefits from supplements.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, even some of the physicians, they're like, oh, you don't need a multivitamin, it's all in your food. But look at people's diets. Like, I eat pretty healthy, but like, look at most people, they're not eating whole foods, it's usually processed, and even like we're you're buying non-organic foods or you know, non-grass-fed meats, you're not getting like the vitamins and minerals that you actually need. So you do need to supplement it. And it's gotten worse and worse as the soils have gotten worse and they don't have the nutrients that they used to. You could eat an apple and think it's good, but you know, it's got glyphosate, it's got wax on it, it's you know, it's been on the shelf for nine months, and everything's genetically modified to grow bigger, like just appease, tastes different, yeah. Like that's what's freaky. Like when you go to choose grapes and they're like Jolly Rancher grapes and like the different tastes. I'm like, oh, I'm definitely not buying that stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like we're watching the chef's table. Like this from like years ago, it was like one of the first uh episodes, and it was like one of the guys that got the whole farm to table like thing going. It was just like people don't realize it's like it's it's from the farming, it's from how things are raised, like like oats are really good for you, but like the way oats are now, they are not, yeah. And not just that, like you can taste the difference between what's good for you and what's not, yeah. And that's like 60% your diet is are these like oats, wheat, uh like grains that come from the soil, but like you've just been like the industry's been trained to grow and feed you this stuff that you want, and like it's a negative cycle where like you if you actually seek the better stuff, it tastes better, it's better for you, and it it you're just gonna live a healthier life.

SPEAKER_04:

And knowing what you know, like I think with fruits and stuff, you gotta know what's in season too. And like don't get stuff that's out of season because it's like artificially grown or grow like unless you're in Costa Rica in any whatever any time of the year. Yeah, because like one of the things I fight with my wife, she likes to go to AJ's. I'm like, AJ's is for like if you want like nice olive oil or like good cheese or something like that, but like for fruits and veget vegetables, like yeah, they get some exotic fruits and stuff, but like a lot of their fruits and vegetables, they're organic sections like this big, and you don't have much to choose from. And I like Whole Foods because you have all these organic products, and like I I chat GPT'd what like it means to be organic, and like they go through pretty extensive stuff. Like the farms have to be three years, the soil has to be, you know, certain type of soil and certain fertilizer fertilizers and dirt. So I'm like, this is this is the reason that you need to just be organic, and no matter what, even though like there's 12, you know, like oranges, they don't they don't get the glyphosate or pesticides, but like still it's not gonna be as nutritious because if it's not like a passion fruit from the AJ's, yeah, and I didn't realize and like I looked at the receipt, like I paid six bucks a passion fruit.

SPEAKER_03:

Like each one serves like one tablespoon of yeah, like their mango stenes, like twenty dollars.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um but yeah, um like I what are your favorite fruits?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I like berries. Blueberries are probably my favorite, yeah, raspberries, blackberries.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, but those are like kind of hard like and the problem with Whole Foods is I don't think they do a good job at keeping fresh products on because a lot of the stuff seems like it's already seven days old and it's organic, and you get it sometimes it's already moldy, or like you take it all the time. You drive whole serving out of it. Or you're talking about you or no, I would I would never do like the pickup because I don't trust them with my produce. Yeah, like I'm like they they already don't do a good job putting it on the shelf. Forget about someone actually putting it into bags for you.

SPEAKER_03:

So my my daughter did uh it was like a science project for like sixth grade. She tested out like because we were like, okay, let's see how long these pesticides keep like these berries fresh. Don't refrigerate them, just keep them on the counter. And the the funny thing is, like the stuff that's not refrigerated with pesticides within like two, three days went like just had fungus grown all over. The organic stuff went like seven to like ten days without like growing any fungus on it. Wow, which was I I was shocked because I was like, okay, if you're gonna add chemicals, it's to make sure it stays fresh and like looks good, but it's like within like three to four days from the same store, also. It's usually the total opposite, though. I I thought so too. Like that one little experiment, I was like, Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, well, Whole Foods is different. Like, if you buy their organic and they're non-organic, the non non-organic, you can have it like three weeks later, and the organic try it out, try it out recently.

SPEAKER_03:

After that thing, I tested out once.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm telling you, like sometimes I buy the non-organic blueberries and they could sit in the fridge like forever, forever. The organic ones, like if you don't eat them within five days, they're the raspberries.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, I'll I'll get like one day, and then I'm like, okay, they're moldy.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I definitely get everything organic. I'm just like, uh, they there's no all the benefits from actually eating this is like thrown out the window.

SPEAKER_00:

If I well, don't you feel too that when you guys eat clean and organic, you feel fuller because you're you're getting the nutrients.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, it usually tastes better. But whole foods, like you know, I don't know, their food goes bad, so you're like, it's really organic. But a lot of times the flavor's not there. But like you always gotta look what's in season. If it's not in season, like you know, it's not gonna be good.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, pumpkin season. Pumpkin spice latte. PSL squash.

SPEAKER_04:

No, squash is great.

SPEAKER_03:

I personally hate fall like flavors and stuff. Like my wife daughter love it, but like pumpkin spice, squash, all that stuff. I don't know why. I've never liked it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, and it's a weird flavor because I'm always like, oh, this stuff should be good. And like I try it and I'm like, why did I get pumpkin spice?

SPEAKER_00:

I'm like, um it's not very sweet, it is a different flavor.

SPEAKER_04:

It's almost like a bitter cinnamon or something, right? Yeah. So workouts, food, we discussed any form of biohacking you're into, cold plunges, red light that we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, actually, like workout routine. What do you do for a workout routine? Like, let's say, like on a seven-day basis, like how many days of resistance training, how many days of cardio, like how much time and and how you divide that all up?

SPEAKER_00:

So I just like group fitness. I like to be around people. So I don't really have a structure where I have to get a certain amount, but it would kind of like with my flow, it ends up being, I would say, like 15, 20 minutes of cardio, typically, like with the stairs and the bounce class would be like 30 minutes of cardio. Um, the resistance training, those are typically like 30-minute classes that we'll do. And I'll usually lead those. So sometimes it's banded. Um, it might be absent booty, might be push-ups and squats and step-ups and maybe little dumbbells. Or if I take group classes, it would be like they usually incorporate like a little bit of weight training. The gym, though, the actual like gym, I don't really go to the gym and go lift ever.

SPEAKER_03:

It's it's like high high intensity. High intensity, yeah. That's typically what I do. Okay, keep the heart rate going the whole time.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_03:

Get little light breaks in between.

SPEAKER_00:

And I do like in Habasu, when when I move out there permanently, I'll run a couple times on the beach. I just did a race, um, like a 10K scramble. So it was like an elevated hike with some rock climbing. I've never done anything like that.

SPEAKER_03:

So I was hunger game style?

SPEAKER_00:

No, not that, not that intense. But um, so I was preparing for that and I would run a mountain every Sunday. That's not my norm though, to do that. But I'm to train for that, I did that.

SPEAKER_03:

So what's your on-off schedule? Do you take off days or it's like uh okay, I'm kind of like yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it because I'm coordinating the routine. So I'll just, you know, if I did legs the next day, I'll do upper body.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you know, no office.

SPEAKER_00:

If I went to the gym, I'd probably have more of like a structure like that, but I feel like I just get a little bit of everything.

SPEAKER_03:

Do you take like no off days? Do you go in?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I I really don't take off days.

SPEAKER_03:

It's her business. No, I know, no, it makes sense. Like it's a good thing. I sometimes get into it.

SPEAKER_00:

But but I don't take off days. And I'm super competitive too. So it's like if I'm in there by myself and I always like find someone that I want to like compete with silently.

SPEAKER_03:

Do you do any yoga or stretching?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. I I do my stretching and rolling every morning, and then um yoga, I don't do as much as I should. I used to do it all the time, but I would say like maybe three times a month. I should do it once a week.

SPEAKER_03:

It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's yeah, but that's probably what I need more than anything.

SPEAKER_04:

So any form of biohacking or anything, like red lights, plunges, or anything?

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I have the leg sleeves, so I like to do those a lot. I have ne I don't think I've ever done red light. Yeah, I have coal plunge once. Yeah, thankfully, um, they were closing and I had to get out right away, which was I was not mad about.

SPEAKER_02:

How long did you do it for?

SPEAKER_00:

Two minutes.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

That was not my favorite.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, cryo, I've done that.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I actually did that when I was going through that nerve stuff. So I did that every day for a month.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

And people asked if it helped. I would say it helped because I think I left their numb.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And then as soon as it wore off, it the pain came.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I think that's like the cryotherapy, like without the cold plunge, I think it's totally different. And just like um like I was listening to that podcast, they were talking about uh the hot tubs for men, like you know, testicular function, and uh they were talking about IV IVF and um and like if you're in a hot tub that's not good because overall temperatures raise. But if you're like in a sauna, that's dry air, so that heat doesn't convert just like the water heat is. So like it's not as good to be in like you could be in a sauna, it won't affect like how your sperm functions as compared to if you're going to a hot tub three, four times a week, it's not good for you.

SPEAKER_00:

So I just heard something about the cold plunge that women should not be as cold as the guys. So that's another thing. Like when you go and it's 34 degrees, they were saying women should be 50 for it to be effective.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and but even for men, they say it doesn't need to be that cold. Yeah, like it doesn't need to be.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, people are just like I think it's just the people kind of mess of it, push it. Yeah. And like how how healthy it is, how long you do it for. Yeah, it's like it's all over the place, you know. And that's why I really haven't gotten too much into it every once in a while. If I have like aches and pains, I'll like you know, during the winter time, I'll jump in my pool. I'll have an actual four push-ups. If I really believed in it, I probably would have a tank at home, but yeah, you know, it's not like an end-all be all um that is. Yeah, it's not my favorite.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_03:

It's definitely not my favorite. I did it, I've only done a couple times. The first time I I did it like at our gym, like went like three minutes, and then the next time some guy was next to me, and like right when I got out, he's like, Oh, how long do you do this for? I was like, Oh, I just did it six minutes. So, oh, I only do this three minutes. Like, this is one of the coldest cold plunges. I was like, What do you mean? I was like, I I have no idea, yeah, like what this temperature is compared to other cold plunge. He's like, Yeah, this is a really cold cold plunge. So I asked him in the front, he's like, Oh yeah, we keep it at like 35 degrees. Yeah, and I went there for like six minutes and it felt like pins and needles all over my whole body. I just like, oh, this actually feels so nuts that I was just like, I kind of like that feeling, but I definitely look like a weirdo because I got out and it was just like it does smell like pins and needles, and then they say not to get warm after to just naturally that's just not fun for me.

SPEAKER_04:

But you're supposed, you know, like in in like Finland and stuff, they're doing sauna, hot tub, sauna, hot tub back and forth. Yeah, yeah. Um, and like, you know, some people are like you shouldn't co cold plunge before working out or like after working out because you're you know, you're trying to build well, you could do it before, and like how much time between because when you're trying to build muscle, you don't want to like kick, you know, kill your inflammatory process that you are your body's trying to build muscle, and you're gonna you you know you're not gonna gain muscle save or something.

SPEAKER_00:

I know, like I just feel like I'm building muscle without cold plunging fine.

SPEAKER_03:

First time I went in the cold plunge because it was like, oh, just go in the go in the hot tub before you go in the gold cold plunge because you'll be able to tolerate a little better. And I went in the um sauna for like 10 minutes, jumped in the cold plunge for three minutes, went back in the sauna for 10 minutes, and my my resting heart rate that night on the sleep monitor thing was like in the high 50s, and I haven't been able to break like low 70s, so I'm usually like high 70s, and it went like 58 that night, and then like it gradually kind of climbed up like it the residual effects. I I can't like attribute it to like anything else I did. I didn't do anything else, yeah, like out of the norm. So it was like 58, like 62, 67, and then back up into the 70s. And then I I tried to repeat it, even that time I I spent like five minutes, six minutes in the cold plunge, yeah, and my resting heart rate never dropped like that low, or never had that effect. And this last week, like I didn't do the cold plunge, but did like 15 minutes in the sauna, went and did a light like resistance workout, went back in the sauna 15 minutes and heart rate dropped back to like the low 60s for like two, three days, and then started climbing back up.

SPEAKER_00:

So you're seeing benefits.

SPEAKER_03:

So yeah, it also like when I don't drink the night before, yeah, that that drops my resting heart rate at least at least 10 beats a minute. And it's just like, okay, how much harm am I doing with like one drink, two drinks, three drinks, like this like legit poison like I'm ingesting because it it it that will have a 10 heartbeat like difference, and then like doing sauna like calisthenics, like we'll drop another five to ten points. I I think that's anecdotal data for me.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh if I eat a steak, my heart rate is up like in the eighties at rest. Like even if I eat it at six o'clock at night or eight o'clock at night, it like never goes down until like later on in the night. It's like I my body has such a hard time breaking down meat. I do too. I I eat it anyway. So it's like you know, I I can eat chicken, but it look I love my steaks every once in a while. But I notice I'm like up my heart rate's up in the 80s, like when I look at my data.

SPEAKER_03:

It's kind of crazy when like you're actually paying attention to this stuff, and like your heart rate's in the 80s, and you look at it and you're like, holy shit, I'm having a fucking heart attack right now. I gotta get this shit under control.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's nuts.

SPEAKER_03:

What else do you do to uh wind down? Any favorite vacation spots, meditation things you do that people might not know you do?

SPEAKER_00:

Um meditations more in the morning. I honestly, I think I just go, go, go all day that it's very easy for me to wind down.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I have never tested the REM sleep, and I would be curious, but I could fall asleep standing up.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, the second I get home and I'm done, I'll check all my emails and my social media again one more time and just I do a lot of follow-ups with my clients, and that's like super important. I have my little schedule that I do that. So I want to make sure that I get that done, and then the second I kick my feet up, I always have my shake right before I go to bed. That's like my favorite meal of the day, my protein shake.

SPEAKER_03:

You have the shake right before you go to bed.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, and I should wait an hour or two, but I don't because I'm so tired.

SPEAKER_04:

So they they kind of say you have in your night nighttime shake.

SPEAKER_00:

So it's ice and water and then powder. So yeah, the protein powder, but I make it like really thick and eat it with a spoon, like I'm eating ice cream. It's kind of like when someone has a glass of wine to wind down. Yeah. I go home, kick my shoes off, make my shake sit on the couch, and you can't.

SPEAKER_03:

You train yourself that like that's your that's it's time to and it's honestly when everyone leaves.

SPEAKER_00:

Like if people are over, I wait. Like if everyone has a shake, I wait till they leave. It's like my okay, I'm done with this. What's your go- then you're like, I'm gonna have this shake and then I'm like, it's gotta go.

SPEAKER_04:

What's your go-to protein?

SPEAKER_00:

Um it's herbalife. So it's a plant-based one that we have different ones. There's a whey-based one, and I like that for after a workout, but it doesn't, um, whey doesn't agree with me as well as the plant-based ones.

SPEAKER_04:

But you mix both, you have whey and you have to do it.

SPEAKER_00:

So I'll do the whey after a workout, yeah, different, and then I'll do the plant-based one right before bed.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah, because how much can you bench press?

SPEAKER_00:

You know what? I don't do chest press. I don't do bench press.

SPEAKER_03:

Same thing about measuring your buttons.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think I really live that heavy when I go to the gym.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't either. Yeah. Shocking.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. And in my young days I did, but nowadays it's like, you know, one of our friends is like, he's an anesthesiologist, and he talks about like doing what what does he talk about? Like about um like squat, like cleans, not squats, clean.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, but he's he's doing like legit weight, but it's still not like what he was when he was like powerlifting.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Uh but he he does jujitsu. I guess he still kind of competes in some of that stuff, so you you need some of that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I have such a but I'm like, I even I don't want to ruin my joints because we yeah, I mostly do resistance bands, yeah. And then like once or twice a week, I'll go to the gym and and put up weights. Um, and it it's just for like maintenance. And I like visiting Rod Mayor, like he was doing curls with like one of the heavier uh harambe belts, yeah. And like the first night I was like, I can't do it. He's like, dude, it's just like a mental thing, you just gotta get over that aspect. And I was like, okay, I can do three of those. So I've I've been going kind of heavy with that, but it's at home. Most of my workouts are like 20 to 40 minutes tops, 40 minutes for legs, yeah, 20 minutes anything upper body. I'm just like, I I actually feel better and I don't have like the joint pains, but I do go to the gym, and anytime I'm at the gym, I'm tempted to do stupid shit. Or just like, oh let me let me go see. Oh, this looks fucking heavy. Let me go see if I can if I can incline press that, and I'm like, yeah, I could, but yeah, I I feel a pain.

SPEAKER_00:

I feel the same, like the joints and stuff when you start. I feel like we don't need to do that as we age.

SPEAKER_04:

It's I'm like, I don't play football anymore. Um like I'm not wrestling. Not even that, like, even in what do I need to do cleans for?

SPEAKER_03:

You know, like in undergrad, I would like crossfit. In undergrad, I would put on like an extra 25 pounds, be like, oh, okay, this like 275. Impress the girls at the gym. Like, nobody in here even knows how much weight is on this bar. Who am I trying to impress? I'm just like throwing out my shoulder, like I'm gonna just suffocate.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I did CrossFit for a while, and like, yeah, just having that competitive edge. It's like, you know, like just trying to compete with the younger people, and like same. And I was always sore.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and then they'd be like, Well, modify them. Like, CrossFit is not like a modifying type workout. I don't want to come here to modify CrossFit.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, you have to perfect your form. This is what everybody's talking about, you you need to just use good form. I'm like, yeah, yeah, like snatches.

SPEAKER_04:

If you have a good coach, it makes a difference. But like when I came from New York to here, New York, I had good coaches that would warm up and they were careful with it. And I I went at the late class, so it was like more the older people than like whenever I went to the earlier classes competing with the younger people. They're all over my shins, but it's just like you might not be doing the workout. Yeah, they were more from like cleans because I'd keep the bar against my leg and just scrape it up and down. Um, but like when I came to came here, it was like, you know, it wasn't really like the coaches didn't really warm you up. You just they just told you to go run outside and then come back in, and then you started your workout. Over there, they went through the movie.

SPEAKER_00:

I did it for five years. I loved it. I loved the short burst.

SPEAKER_04:

It was like 20 minutes. You had a great workout, it just felt good. I like felt like it's a good idea. It never felt good.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, that kind of stuff's fun. Yeah, the endurance part of it I loved, and I learned a lot. So, like when I would do a Spartan race or something, CrossFit came in handy. Yes, some of the funky stuff that you would do, so I wouldn't get hurt. Yeah, but I always was sore. I just felt like I was always babying something. And so when I gave it up, I was sad because I'm like, man, it was part of my I did it five days a week. But I'll tell you what, I'm like oh, I'm going back because I feel so much better.

SPEAKER_04:

And I'm like, uh, I'm a surgeon, I can't be doing that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I just think it's cool, but it was it was time for me to but you think I could beat you in arm wrestling? Probably, huh? Yeah, probably. I'm not gonna I wouldn't repeat that.

SPEAKER_03:

He's weak. That's why I asked you about the measurements and how much you bench press. I want to gauge you up before I challenge you to normally. I didn't follow that up with the question would be like, let's arm wrestle.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, how about the slapping competition? Oh no, yeah. So I don't even know how that became a actual sport.

SPEAKER_03:

Rodmere started that. So our neurosurger brother would I think it was some of his wrestling teammates in Boston. He'd just like come up, like we'd be drinking and just smack you in the face, punch you, slap you, one or the other, and be like, all right, smack you in the face competition. You either say, Okay, you got me, you win, or you try to hit them harder and have them give up, and just goes back and forth. So it never end up in a good place. So we do we just end up like that's some of the hardest times I've been hit in the face. Yeah, that does not sound fun. Because I'm not gonna give up. Like, I'm not gonna go out like no punk bitch. Like, I just took that punch to the face and I'm not out. So I'm gonna try to hit you hard enough to make you quit. I I just don't know like what you're talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Expo sort of. But I I don't know. I don't know in the age of TBIs, how like the slapping competition.

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, one time he hit me in the jaw, I was just like, holy shit, I don't know how my jaw didn't fucking break. And we're it's it's just like it was Jeremy, like one of our family friends, and three of us, and we're just going back and forth doing this, so it's not like we're not a show for anybody. Just like I I remember just like sitting there with like the room spinning around, like, holy shit. Like, and it it literally when he punched me, I was like, that sounded like a freaking twig snapped.

SPEAKER_04:

But how are these guys practicing? I wonder how they practice the the slapping competitions that you see.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah, I don't know about that. Do you want to start training for it?

SPEAKER_00:

It's an actual thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

The slapping competitions, it wasn't just something you you did with your friends. No, no, no. Oh, this was before the slapping thing was a competition. Now it's a thing.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm like, just like idiots to this. I didn't know like the and we were training. Bare knuckle fighting. That's like, yeah, I was like at my barber, and I'm like, this this shit's real. They're like bare knuckle, like, and it wouldn't last that long, and there's blood everywhere. Both like everyone's like just cut up. I'm like, that's just barbaric. I'm like, I don't know how they allow this stuff to happen.

SPEAKER_03:

It's interesting. No, more like you were like, that's barbaric. I think I can be good at it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I I did it for a little bit, but yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

It's like, oh, I'm so above this.

SPEAKER_04:

It's like, no, but I I was a wrestler, I was more of a wrestler than like you know, a boxer. Yeah. Didn't take too many hits to the head.

SPEAKER_03:

Thank God. I can't believe I didn't take too many hits to the head, by the way. That's one thing I'm grateful for.

SPEAKER_04:

Look at Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis took too many shots to the head. Now he's like it's kind of sad. He's like weathering away. Is he? Yeah, oh he's got like real like he's got frontal lobe dementia. He's like, yeah, he's uh in its like late stages. He doesn't remember what he did or anything.

SPEAKER_03:

Is Michael J. Fox still alive?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, Michael J. Fox is doing fine. He's got Parkinson's. He's doing better than Bruce Willis. Oh yeah. Yeah, you should see Bruce Willis is like he looks like he's 90. Oh no, yeah. Yeah, it's it's kind of sad. It showed up. It was like Demi Moore was there with their kids and stuff. Like, yeah, it it's really like I didn't even know, and it went pretty quick. He went pretty quick. I think he got diagnosed in 2023, 2022 or 23, but he it's like he's like right down the drain.

SPEAKER_03:

That's where I tip my hat and say yippie cotton.

SPEAKER_04:

He should go and get stem cells to the brain.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, or whatever, it doesn't matter. Like just do crack. Like who knows? Like, what's the fountain of youth at that point?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I don't know. I would I think that the whole stem cell ultrasound guided stem cell treatments.

SPEAKER_03:

What do you think about stem cells mixed with crack? Would that speed up stem cell intake?

SPEAKER_04:

It would kill off the stem cells, I think.

SPEAKER_00:

What can stem cells do anything for neuropathy?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, like if it matters where you're inject injecting and stuff.

SPEAKER_00:

What do you mean neuropathy and what my dad has it in his feet?

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Diabetes? Just what was it from old age?

SPEAKER_00:

Probably old age. He's 78.

SPEAKER_04:

Does he have lower back problems or I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00:

He's not on any medications.

SPEAKER_03:

I honestly don't think it would be like it's low risk and potential benefit. So even if there's a placebo effect, even if it doesn't affect it itself, like it's worth trying because the risk is like so low. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Like the biggest he leads a walk club, and so he he I'd go, Dad, because he's always looking down. I go, What are you doing? Like your posture. He's like, I I can't feel my feet, so I have to like look down when I walk.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, have him try like peptide-wise, uh, like CJC epumorlin is really good at re-regenerating some of the nerves and stuff. And you know, just like growth hormone, if you have like real bad traumatic brain injury or um any sort of nerve injury. Um growth hormone not longevity, you can't call it longevity. True. Um, because growth hormone is gonna reverse. You're gonna age like quicker if you're getting more growth hormone, you're not gonna live as long.

SPEAKER_03:

But as you have high growth hormone, have less and less growth hormone.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. But if if you're kind of speeding up aging with growth hormone because you're growing. Yeah, so that's that's why like all these like bodybuilders and stuff that take growth hormone all their life, they're you know, they get cardiomyopathy and they die.

SPEAKER_03:

I thought it's because they're like kind of superdosing it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, but you you like it's not growth hormone isn't, you know, even like microdosing it, it's not a longevity medicine. You're gonna take it's been shown in studies, you're gonna take years off your life. Okay. But you're gonna live a better quality life. Life won't live as long. Yeah, it will be shorter.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, I was picturing like some way to reach out.

SPEAKER_04:

But if you have like some jack with but if you have some nerve injuries or brainstem injury, like if you take growth hormone, that's you know, you could regain some of that function back because of and you got to pretty quickly take it so it helps that. And like, you know, CJC epimorlin kind of causes you to increase um how much you release. Uh and you know, a lot of my friends, you know, they've had back surgeries and stuff that I've prescribed it to them, and like they continue to have pain after surgery, but once they started to get on CJC epimorlin, all that went away. And for me too, like I had uh cervical discarnations and like I had neuropathies in both hand, uh me in my right, like fourth and fifth fingers, and that all went away. Like even pains and stuff, like it kind of went away. So um, yeah, like some of the growth hormone releasing peptides, especially if it's not diabetes or like some people have like um, and even with those, it could help too. Uh uh some people could potentially hit 71 home runs for the giants. So nice, yeah. Some of the like CJC epimorin I it it works pretty well, the like the growth hormone releasing peptides. That's what I would suggest.

SPEAKER_00:

I'll tell them. Yeah.