Big Box Gyms Are Lying to You — Here's WHY!

What if most of what you’ve been told about weightlifting is wrong?

We dig into the myths, the trends, and the ego lifts that don’t actually transfer to real-world strength.

We sit down with a creator who went from sports medicine to metal fabrication to design tools that train the body for life, not just numbers.

Learn why bench presses and arm days often fail outside the gym, why grip strength alone doesn’t equal function, and how medical thinking, tracking, adapting, and evolving, makes your programming smarter.

We also explore nutrition without the hype, covering macros, timing, and recovery based on your body and workload, not trends. The showstopper is the Battle Bar, a 360-degree partner-resisted tool that exposes weak points, rewards posture, and scales from kids to elite athletes. Fun, brutal, and effective.

If you’re ready to stop spinning your wheels and build strength that actually matters, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review naming one weightlifting myth you’ll finally retire.

Transcript

Patent, Origins, And Creative Roots

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Yes, so yeah, just tell him, like, since he j just came, just uh about that apparatus you've created.

SPEAKER_03 0:27

Oh. I mean, I so there what I was telling these guys before is that this has I have a full utility patent on this battle bar. There's a couple of them that literally in the process right now that I don't want to go too crazy into detail. Yeah, you know, because it's still there's still some propriety stuff. Yeah. But you know, uh it just that when it comes to so I had already spent years designing training techniques, I just couldn't settle for the norm. And I knew it was gonna be that way. I mean, my degrees in sports medicine, yeah, you know, started going.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

That's what I was gonna ask you. Like, how'd how'd you get into all I started going the traditional route?

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Yeah, and I was an artist before that. I mean, I was always creativity, was my monster. What kind of art? Everything. Everything. I mean, from drawing, I had clothing businesses in high school. Uh I used to tear people's clothes and bleach them and paint.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Like what would you like the most out of like you know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:29

What people ask that now, even with the metal fabrication. Yeah, anything I get to get to go off and create. Okay. Like I can't help it. It's just that's how I got into all the trades. That's why I was saying, you know, once I learned that final trade of metal fabrication, yeah, it was on. Yeah. I mean, I was I was designing a new training mechanism almost monthly. How do you learn metal fabrication? You just do it.

unknown 1:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

No, I had a I so I had a bike builder, I had a custom chopper built by amazing guy, Mark Dunn, amazing bike builder. And I thought he was gonna give me all these amazing lessons and you know, welding, and okay. Went and picked up a used welder. Yeah, went there, he said, here's the voltage, here's wire speed, heat, go fuck with it. Go learn it.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

He and bend it.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Go, go learn it. Yeah, and that's what I did. You have to learn metallurgy, you have to, you know, MIG welding is not that difficult, but you do. You have to learn different metals, you have to learn the machine, you have to, but it's the other parts of fabrication that are are difficult. Kids come out of welding school, they learn how to, well, oh, I'm a master welder. I don't give a shit. Yeah, it's learning how to use all these other tools, learning how metal forming metal, learning how to correct mistakes, and you're constantly running into issues. I mean, it's dangerous shit too. But it's all the other things that you need to learn. I mean, here, machining, bending the tubes, you know, just there's a there's a lot more.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Even in like plastic surgery, like it kind of, you know, like yeah, in training, you could learn how to do the surgery. Like for me, I had my resident clinic, so I had more long-term follow-up. But when you when you only like, you know, you see the patient for the surgery or a month out, if they have issues or their scars don't heal appropriately, and what to do afterwards, like you're kind of lost, you know, it's until you explain it.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

It's the same as business.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah, yeah. The nice part in our business though is if you mess up, you you kind of hurt yourself. If we mess up, we hurt somebody else.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

But correct me if I'm wrong. You go through med school, yeah, residency, you do all this. That's great. You come out a rock star, yeah. Somebody takes sure you go into your own business. It's not until you get those experiences, yeah, and learning by mistake, and all those experiences that make you really, really good. You have to deal with those. Yeah, you know, before that, you're just okay, I have an education. Yeah, it's not until you learn how to circumvent all those issues that you really become a really good surgeon.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Definitely, especially with like dealing with complications, difficult patients, like the that's that's the toughest things. Like, that's when you like lose sleep, you're like, uh is she gonna be happy, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Like the night after a anything, it like even like shaping, like shaping a breast or shaping a nose, you're like, you know, on table it looks great, but you like you gotta kind of you're like you remove pieces of the breast to make it look good, and you don't realize why. And then you see other people's their the breasts are boxy, it but because they're I can't if I was look at a breast, yeah. That looks good. There's a round yeah, there's a reason you gotta cut out certain portions of it, or there's reasons you make certain cuts, or uh you know, you you draw it out beforehand and plan it, and like because in six months or nine months, you see the final shape. If you don't have that long-term follow-up, you're like, all right, I I make these cuts because the rest of the people draw it. But then once you're in it, you see why you make those different cuts. And you fine-tune it.

Learning Fabrication And The Craft Of Making

SPEAKER_03 5:08

Yeah, like but just to give you guys props, I I have a lot of clients, colleagues, friends that I've trained over the years, a lot of surgeons and doctors. Yeah, and I learned because I almost went to med school, or I thought if I was gonna continue in the conventional sports medicine, I wanted to go into orthopedic surgery. Yeah, then I found out that plastic surgeons and orthopedics are the rock stars of med school. Yeah, and I was like, not me. Yeah, I'm like, no, I'm done with school. Yeah, seven years of school, yeah, and then like no, because I started going the unconventional route. I went, I got into martial arts very early into college. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

And thought what year was that, if you don't mind me asking? A long time ago.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Uh 90 mid-90s. Well, I graduated undergrad 95. Okay, 95, 96. We're not that far off, but yeah, you know, very early on started intensive in martial arts and started fighting and teaching training and and teaching. And I was like, okay, I still very much like the the the education of sports medicine. Yeah, I want to learn as much as I can about the human body, yeah. Right, and that's the foundation that I would never ever ever take back. Yeah. But getting into the other areas of human performance, like various martial arts, and is what changed me.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

And I even What was your first martial art?

SPEAKER_03 6:27

First martial art was a very traditional style of kung fu.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

And now with MMA, back in the early days of MMA, before it was even MMA, it was like that's why I was asking, because like when we were in college, that's when like MMA was like starting up, like Ken Shamrock.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

I knew before it even got big that it was gonna be the biggest sport ever. Yeah. Because I I would go to people and say, Oh, yeah, you know, I fought fought a full contact style of Kung Fu, and they would kind of smirk, right? Guys that were an MMA. I'm like, I wouldn't give up that experience for anything. Yeah, what is MMA? MMA is a mix of martial arts, yeah. So, you know, the dudes that just like to get in the cage and just brawl, and you know, but the ones that really study the arts and understand that this is a process of deduction. Yeah, you you study as much as you can and you toss out the stuff that doesn't work. Yeah, right. You can't just be a slave to one teacher or one process. And that's where I think my mindset, all of this has kind of progressed. I've always been that way. I knew what was not efficacious early on in the con in that first art I studied. Yeah, I liked a lot, but to learn movement and then and learn how to be fluid and a lot of the things that I learned in that art, I wouldn't give up for anything. Yeah, we've wrestled with wrestling, yeah. So I know you guys wrestled. Nobody ever would have considered that a martial art 25 years ago. It's very much a martial art, and very much an effective one.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Yeah, you get into grass. The discipline, and then I actually like at the beginning, he would sign me up at bars for the whole bar fighting because MMA was coming about this isn't brought up. And I was like, and like you know, with the wrestling background, these guys thought they could brawl, and like you don't get in a cage with throwing punches off your back.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

Hey, I mean, my roommate in college could have wrestled Ohio State, yeah, yeah, but he wanted to play lacrosse. He's still in the hall of fame, like number two face-off guy in over 30 years, 25 years, 20, 20 years. It's approaching that. Yeah, but 10 years ago, it's just a monster, yeah. But he he loved lacrosse, yeah. And I learned early on, and it's one thing, I mean, all of my buddies in high school, you know, we were state champs for a couple years, they were all wrestlers.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

I what it just wasn't me back then. Yeah, I didn't find that intensity till after, but I wish if there was one thing I wish I could go back, it would be the foundation of wrestling. And it's not just the wrestling, it's what it does for you, your mentality with training and the intensity.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

The vision quests, the vision quests we always talk about. It's seriously those vision.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Like, even though I like wrestled in college, too, like division three, nothing big. Like I always wish I'd tried a little harder, gave it a little more effort. Like, because once it's gone, it's gone, you know. Um getting back to like what you're saying, like mix mixing things together. Um, because like if you really focus on kung fu, even wrestling, if you really focus on wrestling, being the best wrestler, there there's a ceiling. But like when you start mixing in different genres together, whether it's wrestling or art, like whether you go from painting, sculpting, incorporating things you learn from different aspects, then you can find like new avenues of growth rather than like having a bar, like having a setting where like you can't go beyond, but when you start mixing things together, then you can go past what that like that previous high point could have been.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

And here's the you know, I would always tell guys I would train, and I could pick him out. I could say, okay, this guy is not cerebral enough, yeah, no, no offense, not intelligent enough, amazing physical gifts, yeah. But that's it, you're gonna have a ceiling. Yeah, and and the only the dichotomy there is, I wholeheartedly agree with you, to be able to do and and experience, but you have to study. Yeah, yeah, you have got to utilize the process of elimination, you have got to study. Yeah, you can't just go, I'm gonna study all this stuff part-time, yeah, and then not throw out the stuff because you your your mind will be a clusterfuck. Yeah, so that'll be you won't be able to use any of it.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah, exactly. So it's study and practice, same thing with medicine. Study and practice.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

You have to be able to throw out what doesn't work, or you need to be training 12 hours a day.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah, because we both know we both know shitty doctors who scored the highest on the every test they were given, like top percentile, but they just like they can't apply it or can't talk to people. So, like in practice, it doesn't mean anything that you scored 99th percentile on some tests.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

No, you might have gone to Harvard because of it, but doesn't mean you're a good surgeon.

Medicine, Complications, And Long-Term Outcomes

SPEAKER_03 11:18

So I mean it doesn't I went to Harvard, it can transfer, yeah, but it doesn't necessarily transfer.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Yeah, you know, it it's yeah. It's a separate like part of the brain that's activated.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

So so the the reason, I mean, fast forward, yeah. Now it's diving into designing the the atmosphere and the the mechanisms we use. I also don't use a lot of conventional terminology, that's how fed up I am with the industry. Yeah, I don't like the word fitness.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

I prefer to talk in Latin terms is how we were talking that's pushing it for med school, but I don't like the word fitness.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Yeah, I I can't stand if somebody calls me a personal trainer. Yeah, just the the connotation of it. And the reason I needed to continue to push the envelope further and further and make every day about evolution, yeah, is because I got so fed up with it. Just an example, you take a big box gym, remain nameless, and I have a very good friend. I have some guys that I trained for a while back in the day, and you know, MMA and then and then strength and conditioning. They didn't they were kind of lost, didn't really know what they wanted to do. I'm like, I think I want to become a trainer. And I roll my eyes, I'm like, look, do it, follow it. You don't have to get a college degree, but go take some college-level courses. Yeah, don't just go do this fast food bullshit. Yeah, sure enough, go study for a week, get a certification and a weekend. Fast forward one year, the same individual becomes the top trainer at said box gym with no real education, yeah, it's because he sold a lot. Yeah, he had a lot of clients. Yeah. But there's just there's a lot of idiocracy there. It's not right. And I sports massage therapy. You know, I've had people they come out and they have no business practicing on people. It's it's across the board.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

And it's it's bad.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

And and I I think Arizona is worse than a lot of like I did CrossFit in New York and I did CrossFit here. I thought like the trainers in New York would take you through warm-ups, make sure you had good form, watch everything. Over here, it was just like go, go, go. And like, you know, I'm in mid-30s, I'm going against college kids, and I've always lifted heavy and being like super competitive. I'm not gonna slow down. No, right. Although slow down for a few weeks, then like I'm going hardcore and trying to, you know, I think I'm gonna be in the CrossFit Olympics or something. And you know, that's the way you just injure yourself. Yeah, and like the coaches don't slow you down, where in New York they would slow you down, you know, and they have you do the things right. Over here, it was just like do more, do more, you know, and even if it wasn't right.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

The conundrum with CrossFit, you just say the word and you're gonna have 50 to 60, maybe 70% of the people roll their eyes because it became big. Anytime something becomes big, people want to bash it. Yeah. The amazing thing with CrossFit, they took all that bullshit machines where you sit on, sit, go from machine to machine and do one isolated muscle group, yeah, like posers. We can get into that. But they took all that away. Everything is a compound movement. Yeah, you're standing, you're moving your body. Now, so I think it's amazing. Yeah, the flip side is what you're just talking about. They pumped out so many training facilities. Yeah, I bet if you went to 20 different facilities, I'd say you'd probably be about 50-50. Okay, this individual really, really knows how to train people. Yeah, he knows how to take someone from every demographic and work with them. Yeah, you have to have that ability. Yeah, if you don't, people are gonna get hurt. Yeah, you can't force the other is lack of evolution.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

In order for this to continue as a form of training for normal people and not just be, I always said I think CrossFit is gonna continue to be big in the competition atmosphere, yeah, but it'll start to slip a little bit just in the general training for general people, general plants. Because you need to be able to evolve. It already has, right? Well, everything cannot be your base power lifts. Yeah, I'm not doing locking arms out overhead anymore. I've already had four shoulder surgeries, six dislocations. I already have a full replacement, yeah, and we'll have one on this one. Yeah, I could do it, but it's not worth it. Yeah, I'll design other things that are just as good. Yeah, you have to evolve the platform as well. Yeah, but overall, I I think it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah, yeah, I got tendonitis like all my fingers and wrists, and I you just gotta be careful because if you're not doing it right, you're putting so much straight on your uh even if you're doing it right, even if you're doing it.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Even if you're doing it right, your platform needs to evolve a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Not everyone I'm trying to be nice because my wife is a physical therapist and she's just like like looking at these exercises, like, what the hell is this? Well, of course. And then, like what you're saying about personal trainers, like you just watch people be like, they're getting paid to like teach this guy to like hurt himself by like a 60-year-old guy, 70-year-old guy. You're like, Why, why is he trying to do a fucking pull-up? Why does he have 120 pounds on that lat and coming down a third of the way and then what's that?

Martial Arts, MMA Evolution, And Wrestling’s Base

SPEAKER_03 16:43

No, you should have 200. No, I I I it it's it's I've made a study of it, and I didn't enter a corporate gym for over 25 years. Yeah, the last time I was in one, they practically kicked me out. Yeah, because they thought I was trying to train people. No, these people are approaching me because they see me doing crazy shit. Yeah, and I don't like the bullshit equipment they have in there, so I'm using them different. Yeah, I'd be on a chest press machine and I'm propping my foot up against it and using it like a jungle gym and doing rows and rearranging shit, yeah. And they got pissed.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

Like, no, you're not supposed to use like that, and you're not supposed to be training. I'm not training people, yeah. They were just curious. I raised curiosity in them because their trainers are such bullshit. Yeah. I mean, no offense, but you know, the the problem is there's a lot of misleading.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

There's a lot of that's why they're their retention rate on their personal trainers. That's why they want them to sell so much.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

But that's why they you get text messages and calls like, oh, you have this free training. I'm like, I don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

And they don't make it easy to like be able to just cancel out either. You get billed like four months in addition to game. So this is one thing we one don't want people to show up.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Yeah, this is one thing we ask all our guests, how much can you bench press? I'm kidding, we don't. But if you want to answer, please go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

No, so my answer is just he was comments about it.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

My answer to that is that question he was actually answering it before.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

Been asked so been asked that question for 25 years. Oh, that's good. And just very straight up, right? When somebody asks that, I'm like, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

They're like, What do you what do you mean? You have to know how much you bench. And I'm like, no, yeah, traditional barbell bench press, yeah, is as far as I'm concerned, no problem. You do your compound lifts, do your base lifts, cool. But my job is to find ways to develop that push strength and power standing and without your back supported, and in in real life, like what you're gonna need when you're opposing force with another human being, or what you're gonna need in real life. Functional. Okay. But everybody wants to spend time laying on a bench. Yeah, it's a fucking ego fest. That's all it is. It's the same with don't even start mentioning a bicep curl.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:06

Like I would that's what I was going to do. Don't even start mentioning that. You guys later, you guys will laugh. Yeah. You go go ahead. If you're scrolling social media, you go down a rabbit hole, and you start coming across some training videos of like, you know, either a fitness influer influencer or whatever, and if the first thing you see is somebody sitting there doing a bicep exercise, yeah, turn it off. Yeah, it's total bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

What do you need? Like I always tell people, if your life depended on you're hanging on the side of a cliff, you think those biceps are gonna help you? No, you need grip strength and forearm strength and back. Biceps and accessory mover. You don't need that shit. Yeah, but all this, you know, the posers, the bodybuilders that train to pose, not posers being fake. Their whole training platform is to pose. Nobody thinks about this. These guys are going doing all this shit. Yeah, they're comp their their competition is to stand on stage and pose.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

That is what blew up everybody wanting to get bigger biceps and bigger arms. Somebody tells me they're doing arm day, yeah, and I'm like, arm day? Yeah. Like, how many exercises is that? Arm day.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Yeah. Anytime I uh, you know, like I stopped after like, you know, with with CrossFit, I kind of I threw that out probably around eight years ago. Um and with that, like never benched like on an actual bench. And people keep on asking me, like, when I gain some size, like how much I'm like, I I don't like right now, I just use resistance bands.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

I don't even know what I'm going, I'm going a little hard on it. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with bench. No, I this is the problem with the industry. Yeah, oh yeah, the problem with the industry is the overgeneralization of everything.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

You really sound like a doctor in the in the medical industry.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

The fact is, the the the problem is that should not be a question that people see that you're fit and they approach you and ask. Yeah, it's that's just dumb down everything. Yeah, it's that's the problem with the whole industry right there. It's a perfect example. And the problem is everybody gets so brain screwed at what they're watching and the shock and awe. And it's like, guys, if you really, really want to be functional, like really functional in real life on any occasion of anything that gets thrown your way, yeah, you need to evolve.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Uh honestly, like what you said, like I no lie. Uh my wife asked me like years ago, because she just nitpicks like that's why when we first met and started going working out together, I was just like, Oh my god, this is what it's like going with a physical therapist to the cheese at every angle. Yeah, she's like, Oh, you're gonna you're gonna hurt your knee. Oh, you might not feel it today, but 12 years down the line, and I I would just like Get irritated and gradually like fix my form and like listen to her. But she was like, What what are your goals? And like when I aged, I it's like coming back to like what you said. I was like, honestly, if something heavy falls on me, I want to be able to push it off, or if I fall off a cliff, I can climb back up. I was like, I just want to know that I'm capable of doing that stuff in case of emergency reasons. I understand where she's coming from.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

And I I can I can tell that's gotta be hard. Yeah. Training with her. That was my foundation. But that was care and prevention of athletic injuries and learning what you know, care of the body. But take that foundation, understand, but you gotta push that envelope a little bit. It's like I understand that squatting below 90 degrees, she'd probably be like, nope, no good. She's actually okay with that. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta do it. Yeah, the right. Right. So you do have to push the envelope a little bit. Now I push it a little too far. I'm 10 surgeries in and you know, counting. Yeah, but you you can't help other people, you can't evolve and you can't continue to change things unless you have a good foundation like your wife does. You have to understand the body. Yeah, and that's why I tell people everybody needs to do their own self-study. Like you gotta start learning about your own body, or you're fucked. Yeah, you're always gonna be a slave to what other people are telling you.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

And you can't like overdo it. Like the whole thing, like, oh, don't squat beyond 90 degrees. Like, she's okay with that. She's like, but don't do it while you're compensating by pushing your knees over your toes. Like, that's gonna put extra strain on all your joints.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

Yeah, there's you know, just little, little, little things, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

And also, like, don't like don't go put on more weight on the bar. Like, make sure you have the right form for the appropriate exercise rather than like putting more weight on and doing something completely wrong or completely off.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

So, so our friend, he's an anesthesiologist and he talks about exercises for explosiveness. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, we're like mid-40s. I'm like, Do you need to be explosive? I'm like, what do you what do you use? You never know when you gotta report. He does do jujitsu, so I like that's the only thing I could think of where you might need some explosiveness or do an exercise or it's gonna injure you or something.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

So I have a uh well, soon I'll be rolling them out. It's called Squally Sense on human performance or fit fuckness fitness.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Uh so fuckness fitness? No, we have to know, or else we're not gonna know what to find.

Study, Elimination, And Applying Knowledge

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Not a lot of people are used to using the term human performance or used to hearing the word fitness. Yeah, but I want people to understand a little better. Like you get all these questions, yeah, and there's some these battles. What's the best for this? What's the best for this? And they want to compare. Oh, what's the best for this? Yeah, there's no such thing. You have to be diverse, yeah, you have to incorporate as much as you can efficiently, right? And but that's once again, that's very tough. Yeah, and there are a lot of trainers or coaches, whatever, that just don't study enough. They just don't, in order to broaden and to be more comprehensive and to incorporate everything. So I used to training, I'm like, look, these people have this many hours a day that they're gonna train. Yeah, and if you think training three hours three or four hours a day is gonna do shit, yeah, when you accumulate all the hours in a week, oh, I'm working with a trainer three to four days a week. Why did you have to add that? Do you think that's magic? Yeah, like it's probably worse. Oh, yeah. So I have something called trainer versus training partner. If you're working with a trainer for a month and they haven't taught and they're not teaching you something new and they're not shocking you mentally and physically after a month, go get a training partner. You guys could do better on your own. Pay each other, you break even.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Yeah, or pick up pickleball, you'll have the same benefit.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Yeah, I like pickleball when you have like they've got this pickleball where about halfway through the game, unknown, they have three or four guys come running out and they try to attack you. Yeah, you're not allowed to use your racket, but you have to keep playing while they're trying to attack you.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

That's nice. I thought you were gonna say that. I thought you were gonna say the pickleball paddle is worth is 30 pounds.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Well, we did that, we did that with ping pong. We were like tackling each other.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

It's it's it's that is true. I forgot about that. Yeah, you have to evolve. Yeah. Now I took it over, I I went overboard. So I know I kept track for a decade. So training almost 360 days a year for 10 years, that's 300, 3,600.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

What were the five days you took off?

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Uh circumstance. Normally I wouldn't take any off. Training others. So I would I'm I'm accessible when I was training full time.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

I'm so a leap year is a light year for you.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

There was a day or two here and there, and that was other people's fault, not mine. But 3,600 days that these individuals did not come in and see something new. Okay. Something completely new they'd never seen before.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Technique, something they that's what's keep keeps the excitement. That's what was good about CrossFit. So it's this mentally and physically, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Mentally, physically, coordination, proprioception. People need all of it shocked.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Okay. You can sit there and stare over at somebody and yell at them, kick their face in the dirt, and just run them in circles and do push-ups. Yeah, they're gonna tune out after their body's gonna tune out after a week.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

Now I took it overboard because that was my platform. My job was to create new things every day. Most proponents would be like, no, that's you need to like do you can't change things up. I don't care. That's not that wasn't my purpose. My purpose is to continue. Now, these people can go off into the world, which I kind of slowed up on it, and they did, and they could train in the corner over there with a chair and a string better than most trainers. Yeah, like they they what do you do?

SPEAKER_00 28:13

You tie the chair on the string and swing it around your head. I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Well, it depends on what kind of string, but you know, little dance. I mean, it it's but the the the creativity and the ability to make something out of nothing.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

They don't need, oh man, this machine I like, it's not I don't it's busy, it's not there. They don't need that shit. Yeah, and they go into places and trainers are watching them, they're like, What who is this dude? What are they doing? They come back a week later and they're like mocking what they were doing, and so that is everybody needs engineers. Yeah, yeah. We got engineers in every field. Yeah, we don't have enough engineers in this industry, yeah. And everybody we have a lot of engineers designing this crazy ass bullshit equipment that does one thing that's a mockery of other equipment, yeah, but we don't have enough people that are continuing every day. And I'm not saying you have to toss out all the conventional stuff, yeah. I'm just saying that we need people, there's plenty of people teaching that. Yeah, we don't need more people teaching that. Yeah, we need more people that are continuing to shock people mentally and physically, and that's that's what I want to do. Otherwise, I don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Sounds like like our approach for not to just keep bringing up plastic surgery, but it's what we do every day. And there's certain surgeons that apply the same thing to everybody, and you know, it's not gonna work for everybody, and it's not gonna look good on everybody, so everybody's unique, whether it's um what they're capable of doing, what your starting point is, what their goals are, what their home life is like, and being like, okay, give me these parameters and we'll see if we can match expectations.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

That is what will set you apart from others.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

Not not to be cocky or it's not ego. That will that's what will set you apart from others.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

So um, where do you train out of? Do you have your own gym?

SPEAKER_03 30:10

I've I've had my own gym for ever 30 years. Where is it? So first one Where now? Uh now is down where my where my metal fabrication shop is. So I have, and I actually live there.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

So I I work, eat, and sleep in the same place.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

And I've fabrication shop, home until I'm done.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

Yeah, I don't I don't leave. And that started because I was creating, training, building these things 20 plus hours a day.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Short sold house way up north back when everything crashed, and I'm like, why should I leave? I'm I'm working 20 hours a day.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Which part of town is that?

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SPEAKER_03 30:45

Uh it's down just, I mean, it might as well be Tempe. It's some I mean I could spit to Diablo Stadium. So it's kind of South Phoenix. Okay. But I've I've always had a gym of some sort. First one everybody called uh the shop. Okay. Squally's House of Pain. Yeah. And I had to get out of there because it was at a house, and the garage door would open and people would be running around that's bleeding, running around the side of the yard puking and and yelling, and you know, so I was teaching MMA. When I before I sold the house, there was a wall of mirrors and there was a hole in the wall, and you could still see the bloodstain around the but I was I was killing it. I'm like, okay, liability, I gotta get out of here. Then I moved down to Indian School in 32nd for eight years. Then I moved up to PV, like Thunderbird and Tatum, yeah, for about eight. And that's where I started creating all the the training Macs. Moved down, kind of shelf the stuff for a little while, didn't come in contact with the right investors, and and the fabrication started coming, just blowing up the custom fabrication for everything. Yeah. And then that business started taking off. And but this is what this is what makes me that gets my blood going. So before I'm in a a rocking chair, the one with wheels, yeah, I gotta get this stuff out.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

I have a feeling you're gonna fabricate like a wheelchair for yourself, but with like square wheels, just so it's harder for you to get along.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's you know, I joke about that.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

But before we get into these actual, like what you're making, uh, what's your personal routine like?

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Well, he said he changes every day.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Well, so is there some type of structure like do you do you drink caffeine? Do you stay away from alcohol?

SPEAKER_03 32:31

People are like, ah, you don't eat bad food. Because I am I am a robot. Like I know what the way you need to eat for human performance. I know what the baseline of what you need. So people ask me, hey, let's go out to lunch or this or that. I mean, I went with Tyler, grab a sandwich here and there, but somebody's like, middle of the day, hey, two o'clock, let's go eat. Ah man, I'm in the middle of my fourth meal. Like, then when night comes, I'll eat big meal, and I might cheat a little bit. But I'm I'm underneath it all as long as I get my baseline. I'm normal. I just had a large deep disc cheese from Luminati's the other day.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Do you try to balance carbs or anything like that?

SPEAKER_03 33:12

Oh, of course. Okay. I mean, you know, you what is the baseline I need for energy? Now you take somebody who who their body composition is 95% muscle and they don't have body fat. You you can that's that's so there's the overgeneralization in the nutrition, the supplement, all these industries. Everybody wants to put everybody in that same hole. Yeah, you you can't, everybody, everybody's different. Like people that are training three, four hours a day, yeah, you can't you have to understand that there's variance there. So between metal fabrication training, going 12, 14 hours a day, then me training a couple to two, three hours a day or whatever, you got your your nutritional intake's gotta be a little bit different than the average person. Yeah. And if you're gonna tell me, oh, I don't want to get on the vegan, if you're gonna tell me that I can get all of my sound protein and nutrients from eating that plant right there, I would need to eat 30 of those plants, and I'm still gonna be. So let's let's kind of so different different structures. I know.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

I'm just gonna we've talked about the Netflix propaganda vegan.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

What works for you? This is what I'm trying to get into, not like all the time.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

I'm trying, I'm trying to I'm trying to live a little more. I went through a period where I didn't eat any sugar, I didn't drink, everything was literally like it wasn't food, it was just something to put in my body for for performance. But like, hey, I I like chocolate. Okay. I like in moderation. Yeah, yeah. I like drinking beer. But it's maybe I'll go out, maybe I'll have two beers, and maybe it's once a week.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

People ask if you drink, nothing is going to affect you or kill you in such a low dose moderation. But you know, yeah. So I'm I'm very yes, routine, but I'm not, you know, people think that oh you don't you don't eat that, you don't do this.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

Yeah, but also like it's kind of like um when people are like jumping on Mike Phelps for hitting a bong uh while he was winning like six gold medals, it's like this he's hitting a bong eating 10,000 calories to 20,000 calories a day, but he's also swimming for like 10 hours a day. So it does vary like what is your activity level and what you're trying to get out of it.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

I mean, once again, we're always gonna have the the ridiculous arguments, and unless people, the general public will take the initiative to study a little bit, yeah, right, for themselves about pretty much the most important thing in their lives, right? Yeah, learn how to train it, learn how to heal it, learn how to rehab it, learn how to feed it. Instead of paying attention to every fucking trend that comes down that and then you know, one of the fuels for the reason I have too much that I I still need to teach. I was filming, I have 80 gigs of film from over 10, 12 years ago. Yeah, Tyler is on my ass, like should have been getting this shit out a long time ago. Yeah, the stuff I was doing 12, 13 years ago, but I have so much ammunition because of the variety of things I was doing day in and day out, and my self-study because I study everything so much, and then all the questions that I've been asked over the years.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

And a lot of them let's work it out and get it out. Let's I mean, all these questions.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

It's like now I want there needs to be a proponent, right? It's gotten so much worse because social media is so rampant. Yeah, and now I go on there and like okay, this guy is 6'4, 250 pounds, jacked, and he's on there doing calisthenics, trying to teach kids and other people that you're this is this is what you're gonna get from doing these calisthenics, yeah. And people will believe it.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Just like the whole just like the whole vegan thing. You know how many people asked me about like, did you watch the Netflix episode on vegans where they compared the twins? And I'm like, I'm like, it's propaganda. I'm like, if you look at the actual study, it's faulted study, it's not true. Everything they posed, like the vegans were eating less than the people that were eating meat. So there obviously there's decreased calorie intake, and that's the exact amount of weight they lost was if you take the calories into effect. But but but there you go. And then but they they show someone that's like 6'4, 270 pounds, full of muscle, and he's vegan. I'm like, you're not I'm like, You're not getting that. I'm like, see that's the top. See what that's the one person that's like got that, and he probably was unvegan at the time when he got to that position.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

And there's a lot of other things other than plants, yeah, that are getting him that way.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Yeah, and I I would like to say being vegan is like one of the most hilarious things in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

Like people used to like brag when we I was training in boss at what I don't, I don't, I try not to so I try not to put people down.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

I I will get on a soapbox and I'm gonna develop a lot of a lot of people, adversaries, yeah, when I when I eventually get into this whole bodybuilding industry, right? But if people would just pay attention, their attention span is five seconds long. They want to hear the headline, and then that's law. Yeah, pay fucking attention. Yeah, pay attention to the whole story.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

I don't mind what vegan works for you, great, yeah, but I bet you your activity level, the amount of lean muscle you carry in your body, your body composition, your metabolism, and what you do on a daily basis is not like me. Yeah, and if you're trying to just lose weight and you don't give a shit if you're strong anymore or if you you're building muscle, there's just all these variables, but everybody wants to over-generalize everything, and there's the headline, and this is fucking law. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

So that's that's the only thing one I want to clarify. Being vegan is hilarious, and people who train to run marathons, not professionally, is hilarious too. Those are the two things I I do find funny that people do vegans. I understand you don't want to hurt animals, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Look, the the only thing that that bothers me, I don't do you the works. Yeah, the thing that bothers me is when you start injecting this is what you should do into everybody's bowl and overgeneralizing and then brainwashing people. That's the part that I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

One thing I wanted to bring up, you talked about grip strength, and you know, like Peter Tia on his like in his book, and then like it's been on social media.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

Did you write that book before or after you went to Epstein's Island?

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SPEAKER_01 40:14

I don't know. Multiple different people said the same thing, like they're like, Oh, increased grip strength equals longevity. And I'm like, but like grips, there's a lot more that goes into grip strength than you think, and that's why the people with improved grip strength have that, you know, like you can't just try to build grip strength, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 40:37

So what we say in medical research is it causative or correlative? Okay, like does it correlate because you're healthier, you have more grip strength, or you're gonna just go do a gripper and you're gonna live 10 years longer.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Well, you two are logical enough and well educated enough to make that deduction. Yeah, the general public, no offense, general public, are not.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

So we're continuously grabbing these fucking headlines and changing the world because of them. And the fucking posers are the worst of them.

SPEAKER_00 41:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

The worst. They've completely infested the whole industry and these kids and everybody, the shock and awe. There's a dude that like literally can't move. He has body parts and muscle groups that have not even been named yet.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

That is not normal, and that's not human performance. Yeah, and that's not, and then there are trainers going around training uh people like that, single-joint exercises, thinking they're gonna mold a tricep. Isolate, isolated, yeah, single joint, like they're gonna mold a tricep. I saw a trainer with a 75-year-old woman who literally took her 10 minutes to walk to the next machine. Yeah, and I kid you not, while he stood there with his fucking clipboard, great, great, she was doing a single arm tricep pushdown. Yeah, and I wanted to snap. Yeah, I'm like, this should be a crime. Yeah, like it should there should you get some kind of violation or something. Yeah, like elderly abuse. I mean, it's not even abuse, just what are you doing? This woman is giving her money and her time for you just fucking her whole world up and maybe not even getting hurt, but not getting a damn thing out of it.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

Oh, look like I my wife forced me to go to these Pilates classes. We did two. There were actually now you're gonna get me on another soapbox. Yeah, so I did three. The first one, the guy actually knew what he was talking about. How much time you got? The second two I went to were at a chain place, two different coaches, but they went through all the same movements two days in a row, and I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, I'm never going to this shit again. And I'm like, they're teaching you nothing. Yeah, you can just hurt yourself.

SPEAKER_03 42:56

Now I'm gonna be since I just went off on 50 different demographics. Let's get going on Pilates. I'm gonna play devil's advocate mask from you being so well-rounded with training and experience, so many different types of training. If if it did change it up a little bit, what out of anything was there anything that maybe you did like, or you could tell somebody, okay, this could be good for this, or for he was able to put his foot behind his head.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

No, I didn't I didn't like I just didn't think like they took you through the right movement because I like I knew the first one I went to, the guy was much better versed and well trained and knew Pilates. This one, like I felt like it was this oh those overnight you get a coaching certification and you get to just go and like, oh, this is the next exercise.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Similar to like even yoga, you're taught similar things, so like the better.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

No, it's the more with Pilates you can do quite a bit, and it was just like it was just like

SPEAKER_03 44:05

So, we're entering the the conversation where here's the problem. People think training, exercise is just that. Yeah. Oh, well, I'm I'm doing Pilates two days a week. Yeah. And then I do spin once a week. Oh, I'm doing cardio box. Yeah. Right? So okay. You can get now you're training four hours a week in what's 24 times out 100 and how many hours a week is that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

A lot.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

And you really need you really want to change your body.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

You're not even scratching the surface.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:43

People do not have enough time to be jumping from one form of training to the other that only touches this part of your physiology.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

Okay. So we need people who who see that and are starting to incorporate all facets, isometrics, ply metrics, stretching, endurance, strength.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Jazz or size.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Jazzer size are fucking amazing. I mean so it's a good thing. But hey, look, but the problem is people start going. Yeah. They develop friendships and like oh, I see my people. Yeah. Then they develop relationships with a trainer, whoever. I always used to tell my clients, I'm like, I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't give a shit how much you like me.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:27

If you're if you get to a point where you think you can find something better somewhere else, I please go find it.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:34

They couldn't because you can't do the shit I was doing anywhere else because they haven't designed it yet. Yeah. Right. But that's the problem. And then you go to some of these other places like boxing.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:45

Boxing's amazing. Amazing sport, maybe with a real box trainer, but still for somebody who's looking like that's their three to four hours of training a week, one-dimensional.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

All chest and shoulders, and they're probably not throwing punches right. Yeah, so they're just sitting there going like this on a bag, and then they do some push-ups, and then they go to the middle.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

How'd you know I box like that?

SPEAKER_03 46:06

They look like that. The wrists, and then they're oh my wrists hurt. I can't do box, I can't go do cardio box anymore. It's a fucking reason because that's all you're doing.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

Yeah, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Go do kickboxing. But then there's another issue. They're throwing kicks like roquettes, yeah. And it's all hip flexor, and they're not changing it up and doing it, it's it's it's America, man. It's fast. Everybody takes off every industry, everybody's gonna start opening them up everywhere and you know, teaching, and and same thing with yoga. You know, yoga can be absolutely amazing. I go six to seven days a week now. Yeah, yeah, yoga, yoga. I I love yoga, but but it but it has to be legit. Yep, yeah. You it's it's patience, it's mind, it's internal, and and balance it.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

How are your shoulders with yoga?

SPEAKER_00 46:54

Because like that's what hurts my dog. Like, I always position which positions hurt you most. I know like a lot of instructors.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

Everything's fucked up. Yeah, I mean they want to fuse my right wrist. They're like, the only thing we can do now is fuse your wrist. Yeah, nothing else we can do. So I have to think about whether or not to never be able to bend my wrist again to be without pain.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Yeah, how much more it's completely fused?

SPEAKER_03 47:19

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

No, okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

No, I didn't do it yet. I got him, yes. But but it's think about think about it. Think about net not being able to bend it.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

Oh no, especially especially for you, you weld in the case. So ideal, ideal. Oh, that's your strong hand too. If you were to that's your your right-handed, right? What's that? You're right-handed, right? So that's I mean, it's my dominant, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

Yeah, and and you know, I mean, I've got cervical issues that have caused a lot of, you know, but I had four full dislocations. One time I had to get put to sleep for them to put it back in because they couldn't pull it back in. Yeah, and they're like, probably an anterior dislocation. Oh, it was the chip, the pec muscles pulled it in the pec and they couldn't get it. So they told me when I came out, we wrapped a sheet around your body and just yanked that shit back in.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

I gotta ask you one question, you as well. Do you feel that the smellier your yoga instructors are, the more like the better they are? Like, if you walk in and the studio smells like Kari, you're like, I'm getting a really good fucking stretch in today. Dude, that's being racist. I mean, I'm just saying, it's kind of gonna be disgusting. No, if you guys agree with it, then it might not be racist. I'm just trying to look for self-affirmation.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

Now in jujitsu, that's a fucking tactic. First guy I trained with an old gnarly like Olympic judoka, and that dude would stand his gi up in the corner for two weeks. Oh my god. And he didn't give a fuck. And I'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

No tapeworm and shit like that. Not tapeworm. Ringworm. Well, I mean, you're gonna get a ringworm. Build a defense against lucky, you know.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

I mean, I think probably got it all over the place at one point, but you get in some compromising positions, yeah, and you got that dude's crotch, and you're taking heavy deep breaths, and you suck that ghee pants right in your mouth. Like, so I was just taking your yoga thing one step further because you might have another. I'll tell you. But people do that, right? Yeah, but but that's fucking nasty.

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SPEAKER_00 49:27

There was there was this one kid in a from a school, he went for weigh-ins in his underwear. Dude, at the biggest skid mark from the outside of his underwear.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

We just get into shit stories now.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Oh yeah, I was just like, oh my god, if I face this guy, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna like forfeit or something. I'm not getting close to those skid marks. No oil check there? No, none. This was I I couldn't believe it. I'm like, are you wiping your ass with your underwear? This looks like a shit stain from like you used your underwear to wipe your ass for like a good month straight. Like, this should not be a reason that much of your underwear is brown. At least get a colored underwear. I don't know. I think he wanted it seen. I think that's why now that you say it, I'm like, that's probably why he did it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There was this guy with a deformed. Here I go. This guy with a deformed leg that looked like a shark bit. Lymphedema. He had lymphedema. And my friend had to wrestle him, and he went in there like unorthodox, threw a quick headlock, pinned him in five seconds. We're like, wow, that's like the best you've ever looked on the mat. He was like, Yeah, I was trying to do anything to not touch that leg.

SPEAKER_03 50:46

It was all cold and it just looked weird.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

We're kids, we're like, What is that?

SPEAKER_03 50:51

Well, could you imagine if gone going up against uh who was the got kid from ASU?

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Yeah, no, no legs, or was it one leg? One leg. Yeah, he was a beast.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

And and you know damn well people will go in there and and get face off and be like, okay, I'm gonna kind of take it easy. And next thing you know, they're getting fucking. That kid ended up getting better though.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

He did, he did. But but again, that ASU kid that that would put you up for like so like I couldn't imagine because I was always good at double legs, and you only had one leg, so what would I do on the mat?

SPEAKER_03 51:25

Imagination, man.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

I'm kidding. I was actually single-legged.

SPEAKER_03 51:29

But that's kind of what I'm saying, is people probably went in there thinking, and then when you watch it, because he you know, he had a movie.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Because you'll have your favorite leg to go after.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

No, but either either way, after after one year of him wrestling at the level he was wrestling, how good he was, everybody walking on that mat, even if you were like top-notch ranked close to him, you're a shit in your pants facing somebody like that because you're about to get stuck with somebody missing a limb. Like, I'd that's how I would feel. I don't know about you, but I'd be like, Holy crap, this is gonna take a lot of work. He's really good and has one less limb.

SPEAKER_03 52:05

He got strong and he developed around that. Yeah, yep, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

And you know, it's positioning hip and body weight in another because you're probably building your core to stabilize that on that one.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

It's a perfect example of what everybody should be doing. Yeah, there's not that we necessarily have to compensate for something that dramatic, but everybody should be. That's why you need variety and you need to continue to change things, and you you know, because there's there's a lot that's unexplored. There's a lot that we're missing. Okay. And got go for it. One quote on that is just it tells it is effective preparation with what we already know may work. But facing stimulus or the battle of the unknown creates a resilience that's extraordinary. Sorry, I've done it. I've done it with people, I've done it with normal middle-aged, I've done it with athletes, and it it's it's the truth. It's like when you continue to face things, a stimulus, training, whatever, mind what you guys are doing, continuing to circumvent problems and and and reinventing and changing and cases, and you you become more extraordinary. Period. You are gonna you're always gonna run circles around the person that wants to stick with this foundation that that's all they know, and they've only been around people like this works, I'm good. Yeah, well, you you you be good.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Yeah, yeah. So I know we're running short on time, but can we go into what the battle bar is, please?

SPEAKER_03 53:43

Yeah, so you know, along the lines of that, I all all the things I design, they they have to be dynamic. There are very few benches, there's no place to sit. You know, you're you're using your base, you're using your core, you're using but I bat way back, I have to give credit where credit's due. I mean, so I'd say 25 years ago, I did a uh a camp with one of the Redskins back in the day, Redskins, uh, strength coaches, and I learned some amazing manual resistance techniques. And ever since then, anybody I train, you're never getting away with inanimate weight. I'm always gonna be pushing, I'm always gonna find advantages or disadvantages and make things tougher. And then the second I'm not there, everything is just like holy shit. So I started coining HOF training. It's it's human oppositional force. People look at it, it's just a bar. And there are a lot of people that will probably shrug at it. But I like to get the strongest of the strong going against each other. Your dynamic resistance is is probably the smartest kind of resistance that I could ever go up against. And me doing it with a client or whatever, I know that they're never gonna get a resistance that can adapt on the fly. Where they start gaining advantages, I can push harder. Where they have disadvantages, I can let off a little bit. You can start kids training earlier because they're not throwing inanimate weights around the wrong way. But balance exercises, the handles rotate 360 degrees. So every single time I've put somebody on this right away, X NFL guys, big guys, all of a sudden I just send them back. And like, whoa, whoa, wait a second. You know why that is? Because you're so used to sitting on machines and laying on benches. You need to develop that same amount of strength and standing on your own two feet. So you need base first, but you can do full range of motion strength exercises, you can do max isometric exercises, um, you know, so and then all kinds of stabilization, like you you you you insert an external force, you know, standing on one leg. Well, that's easy after a little while. But what about when you start throwing in some external force that's moving you around and and you know, watch dudes do the the one of my things that I hate the most is agility ladders. And they're stepping on it, they're not even on the box. I'm like, you you could do that with your eyes closed, you've been doing it for years. Now, what about when somebody is adding external forces, like a running back is getting hit and they have to move, and you know, so yeah, it's it's all dynamic force. I've got competitions with it, but it's just I couldn't leave it alone. I even have uh fixed training mechanisms that somebody will look at and think it's like an isolateral strength machine, but then they look closer and you can lock the rotors and lock it at different angles and oppose force with somebody on the other side.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:41

And until you until you experience it and experience, well, wait a second, this resistance isn't moving the way I want it to. That barbell and the dumbbells move when I want it to. I know what it's gonna do. Then you get up against somebody else, it's like, oh shit. You know, and it it's also the most intelligent kind of resistance that you can find.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

How m so both ends rotate three hundred six degrees, or you can lock it, or you can lock it, and then if you lock it, obviously you have to resist the torque and the yeah, you know, the force on somebody else.

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SPEAKER_03 57:16

Yeah, but you know, push, pull, rotational, core stuff, balance stuff. How much does it weigh? I gotta weigh this one again. This is the pro. This is for approximately, you know. So this is probably barbell's 45, maybe 15.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:37

Uh it's 18 pounds. Okay. But even that, think about it. When whenever you're doing a pressing motion, what other pressing motions do you do on machines where you also kind of have to hold the bar up? Yeah. So you're working adults and everything, too. Yeah. So then I also have a light which is half the size for kids and you know, is shorter.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

That's what I'm asking you for because we want to do some stuff with my daughter.

SPEAKER_03 58:00

Oh man, for kids, I've got a kid that's coming by tomorrow who's like undersized, is playing baseball, and I want to show them, you know, kids that are young. Yeah, you can sit there and get them to, you know, learn what forces and and get their base and rotate and move around it. And you're not taking weights and throwing them at them too early. Because then I don't care what you do, they shouldn't be, you know, jerking things with their joints. Yeah, definitely. So here with this, you're in control. You can get them to move fluidly and the way they should. You can you can add the right amount of resistance and you can help them when they need it.

SPEAKER_00 58:37

So it's another person on the other side. What's that? So it's two people.

SPEAKER_03 58:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

At all times. So yeah. So that's one of the things people like. Reflex, reflex.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

Well, you need you need two people. Yeah, you need two people. Yeah. But when when you actually every time I pick it up with someone, I'm just like, man.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

Like you can some people think finding somebody else is hard. I always say, Well, this guy found a wife.

SPEAKER_03 59:06

No, but but it not until you actually do it. And then you can you can max out on strength. I mean, you can you get somebody else match, you can do max strength stuff with it. But the difference is you you you better have a good base. Yeah. Or you're getting driven back. And one of the competitions I have with it on a 50-yard field, you have to start pushing for 30 seconds. Yeah. Stop, set it down, go around the other side, and you have to pull, and you have to get that person across your goal line. And I've done it with 30 yard, and most of the people I've done it with, they can barely even get each other their toes.

SPEAKER_00 59:43

Yeah. The um can you order them online? Not yet. Not yet.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Not yet.

SPEAKER_00 59:49

This is something that has been sitting and so it's exclusive at your gym.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

It is. And first time it's actually being shown on your podcast. Oh, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Because it's been, you know, I've I've had patent on it for a while, and like I said, I kind of went off on a tangent and I was gonna ask you, have you seen the Gripzilla? Because you make these stuff. The grip gripzilla is like it's made for grip strength, but it rotates at all angles. It it actually like what you're describing kind of mat they have the one that you just rotational, right? They just rotate. This one actually like you can the handles, yeah. So one is here, one is here, and yeah, yeah, and you're like it actually like moves like different angles too, and it's got resistance. It's got and you can put quite a bit of resistance, but like that works your shoulders, your arms, your chest. Like, like when I watch myself in the mirror doing it, it's like it's tort up your alley of like some of the stuff that you can do. Engage with other muscles that you wouldn't expect to when you're working out. Because I was like, Oh, this is great, and how's it working out? But it's like really engaging all other parts of you, and that's like where you you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:03

I I don't know that I I don't know if I've seen that particular one, but these days it's impossible. No, because this second I click on that, if I look at it online, oh come, they're gonna be like 30 other variations, and it's just gonna be non-stop. And that's what I won't touch. Yeah, like I don't I don't care to build the things that are out there. I only want to focus on things. It might do something that other things do. Like I'm building a a step-up stretch, uh hip thrust. There's all different kinds of things you can do with it. Yeah slides, can put posts in it, bands, you know, but it it has to be super dynamic. Yeah, you have to be able to do multiple things with it. Or I don't, I don't really care to do it. Yeah, you know, I mean I've even been making my own bands and shot cords for 25 years. Yeah, you know, I don't even buy those from you know, I get them and and make them all myself. And I put redheads and eye hooks in the ground all over the place, the whole gym. You take them out, you screw them in, and you have yourself a plyo jumper. You know, I had them on all the machines everywhere. People don't even know. I'd screw them in there and attach bands to the machines, and that was 25 years ago. Yeah. So it's it's just I'm constantly looking at trying to create. Yeah, not saying that any more special than anywhere on else. It's just that I want to find extraordinary, yeah. Out of the ordinary, yeah, not better than. Who knows? Yeah, but I think we need to seek like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:38

All right. So where where can people find I think so? Are we over time? I had a 10-minute warning like 30 minutes ago. Soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:47

It's engineers of HP.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:49

Engineersofhp.com?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:51

Well, no, no. I'm on Instagram and just working on getting all the platforms up now. I mean, I'm literally just sliding back in and really.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

All right, and people looking like myself to like get their kids involved, possibly. How can we reach you? Or is it through the engineers of HP?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

Oh, you can reach I mean phone, email. I mean others, it's gonna be by referral right now. Okay, obviously. But yeah, okay, you know. You know, and that's that's what I'm focusing on. I'm not gonna be training full time, I'm you know, exclusive few and the ones that you know really care about doing something out of the ordinary.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

How like how often are people coming when they're training with you? Are they come five days a week, seven days a week?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:42

No, I tell them it just depends on what they're scheduled, they're they're they're looking for. Yeah. I mean, I'm good with one to two days a week. Let me be your shock.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:53

I'm gonna be your shock. I'm gonna go back to I'm gonna change your mind and I'm gonna freak you the fuck out. I like that. Yeah. And they no, I want you to come, I want you to come train. Yeah, definitely. Uh and I will change your mind. One day a week ain't gonna do anything. After a little while, it will physically, yeah. But it will, it will change you. It'll change your mentality when you go into the gym by yourself, and I can guarantee that. Like I guarantee it with people, you it'll it'll change you because it's gonna be so out. I mean, it's just it's it's always gonna be something different. Yeah, and it's just and hey, if I throw 200 things at you, two or three of them got to stick.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:36

Yeah, yeah, right.

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SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

And then I continue to do that, yeah. So, you know, but hey, people want to train with me more than that. It's just like you know, and I'm not saying I won't do basic compound lifts and you know, but I try to throw wrench in there and find different ways to do it. Yeah, so I like when people at least stay consistent and get that shock, yeah, you know, so you know, a couple days a week or whatever that because that's another thing that's a problem with a lot of people, they don't know how to periodize their workouts. Yeah, they're like, oh, I did arm day yesterday, yeah, yeah. I did push or I did upper body, yeah. Yeah, would would you do the day after? Well, I did some shoulders and I did what'd you do that? Oh, I did some back and some. I'm like, if if you're really going hard enough to shock the body, nah man, like you can't keep doing this just because you love it. Yeah, you can't keep doing the same shit. You have to you have to know how to period.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

A lot of people just get into the motions after all.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

And and and and then that's when you drop off, too. But and there's a big ego component.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

Yeah, why is it that a lot of people like doing push and chest so much?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:43

Well, one, it's the part they can see in the mirror, yeah. Bottom line. Yeah, yeah. But the back and the legs are much tougher. They take three times the amount of oxygen. Yeah, nobody loves hidden legs hard. Yeah, chest is the easiest, and it's what people can see, and you don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Get the growth hormone release. Hell no. No. Like with chest, you get almost none.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:05

It's an it's an ego pump and it is easier. Yeah. But I guarantee you, if there's one area that people probably do, yeah. Well, I'm not saying everybody, they're no, it's common. Not me. Yeah. I didn't say everybody, but the the the general, the masses, if if, right? But that's in other things. Like if you intensity is really there. I was telling guys just on Saturday, I'm like, look, I know you guys are failing because you'll fail right away and you're dying. But this set, or this 10 more seconds. And I guarantee you, when this hour is over, 10 minutes later, you're like, okay, well, now I feel good. Well, your time's done. You had the chance to kill it and go to failure then.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

So I call them battles. They they shouldn't be workouts. That should be the toughest thing you do. Yeah. And you should need a break after that. If you don't, well then cool. Hopefully you're staying fit and you're good. But if you're really looking for change, very often the intensity is not there for people. It's just not.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:11

I can't wait to get started. Very slowly.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:15

I I I no, I I wanted I wanted to try to get you guys down before we did this, but no, for sure. I want you to come come do some nice do some work.