Brutal Cardio, Zero Landing Impact: Why This Fitness Works at Every Age

Low-impact cardio, bungee fitness, aerial silks, and joint-friendly workouts for every age.

What if your workout felt more like play than punishment? We visit the first bungee fitness studio in the United States to explore why people of all ages are trading treadmills for harnesses. From high-intensity cardio with almost no landing impact to aerial silks, hammocks, and burlesque, these workouts build strength, balance, and confidence without beating up your joints.

We also talk about why bungee fitness works for beginners, seniors, and people with mobility challenges, plus the surprising mental health benefits of moving in a supportive community.

If you're looking for a fun, low-impact workout that actually keeps you coming back, this episode is for you. Subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review with the class you'd try first.

Transcript

Welcome And Studio Philosophy

SPEAKER_02 0:20

I own actually the first uh bungee studio in the United States. So we do bungee fitness, we also do like aerial silks, things like that. Um I met Madison, she came in for a burlesque dance class. Um so we do just all kinds of different stuff. Um, but our philosophy is really more like how can we help people feel comfortable with exactly where they are, even if they have some healthy goals that they want to work towards? Because a lot of people come in and they're like, I don't think I can do this, or I'm not in good enough shape, or whatever. So our philosophy is really like love your body for what it can do. You might be able to go further, but you're starting right here, and this is a really awesome place. So okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

So is the burlesque tied into the bungee, or is that no, they're all separate classes, but we do

How Bungee Fitness Started Here

SPEAKER_03 1:12

we do sometimes do bungee burlesque.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Um they're all kind of different, but they do all sort of correlate. So everything is sort of dance-based. So even like our aerial silk circus stuff, bungee, all of that, it's kind of dance-based, but they're all separate modalities.

SPEAKER_04 1:32

How'd you come up with the bungee thing? Or where did you see it?

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Um, so it's actually the owner before me. Um, she went to Thailand uh and got certified with whoever invented bungee fitness there. Um, and then brought it back to the United States. So we were the first studio. Um, I think she did it for two years before I bought the studio from her. Um, and now we do like certifications. So we certify new studios that are wanting to um start doing bungee fitness. I just went to North Dakota a couple months ago and and certified a studio there. Yeah, it was negative six degrees.

SPEAKER_03 2:12

It's really cold. What uh what month?

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Uh January.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be cold and it's really cold, yeah. Did anyone show up?

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Four people.

SPEAKER_03 2:24

But there's demand if you're going North Dakota to do the bungee or or aerial stuff. So we keep saying bungee.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

The bungee is the big draw, right? Because it's so different and new that it's a really big draw. Um, but if I'm being really honest, it can be uncomfortable. Like you have a harness, you have something that can hold your body weight that's like pulling on you on the harness. So if you're not ready for like the pressure that it puts on like your hips and stuff, so I always just tell people it's kind of like spin class, like you have to get used to that bike seat. It's not super comfortable at first, but it can't be worse than that. It's so worth it. Okay, it's so worth it. Yeah.

Harness Comfort And First Timers

SPEAKER_03 3:05

I've seen some of the harnesses. I definitely like try them on before the uh Peloton bike seats. Yeah, that stuff's just made to never get like you know you can work harder because you have this thing, uncomfortable things wrenching your asshole the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 3:23

Honestly, yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 3:26

That's why that's why the Carol bike's better than the oh, they have better hours on the Pelot. No, it's just short workouts. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're not on there 20, 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 3:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

It's a little different. Yeah. So do you have men and women come into these classes?

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Or we do. It is mostly women. Um, I've worked at a few different gyms, and it is just usually women, um, even at like the boot camp places and stuff. Sometimes. Um, so we did have a husband and wife that were coming in, and they both did everything. Um, so he did the aerial silks, he did the bungee. He even tried burlesque one time, but he refused to do it with his wife there. He was like, No, I'm gonna take a class that she's not in.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Who was better? Um honest, be honest able to say.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Honestly, they were both really good. I think he was better at Mungie. But I think guys usually are. I got my husband on there one time and uh he didn't even wait for instructions. I was like, dude, just you're just doing stuff. Like I had to get instruction. He's like, oh, it's no big deal.

SPEAKER_03 4:37

Yeah, picture like Tigger, like just going around being like, all right, uh put these straps on. There we go. Am I locked in? Good, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

Yeah, that sounds about right. I've I had another guy tell me you should do like a stunt man class because you can like jump, you know, like you're jumping off a building and like fly around and stuff. He's like, that would be really fun.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

So have you tried any of the stunt stuff, or do you have any experience with it?

SPEAKER_02 5:06

Not with stunt stuff, um, but I do a lot of crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Okay. I'm just I'm just thinking of like jumping into airbags and stuff like that. Yeah. With the bungees and and the aerial stuff, like you're you're pretty much tied in, right? Where like the airbags, like your your launch.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Yeah, the aerial you're not really. I mean, you do wrap up in them, but then you flip out. So so you are kind of wrapped up in it, but then we'll do like flips and drops and things like that where it's just how they land on the floor. No, you're still in the hammock, like you drop and you kind of land in it, and it uh sometimes it's just around your back because you're hanging upside down or different things like that.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

But I kind of need that in my life. Yeah. Just have a hammock to lay.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

There's something about the drop, and there's something about the bouncing on the bungees. Both of those

Who Takes Classes And Why

SPEAKER_02 6:05

things, like I don't know, for your nervous system. You know what I mean? Like it if especially if you're like not in a good spot, it kind of dysregulates you. And so then you kind of get back into your body as opposed to like being trapped inside inside your yeah, I think it sets you at extremes, both like sympathetic and parasympathetic.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Because like while you're going through the process towards that, you're you're fired up on all cylinders, and you just like, I don't know if I'm gonna be safe, and then it finishes, and then your parasympathetic response is like, Oh, this yeah, you know, I had a great time, and I am calm as and I'm safe, and my feet are on the floor.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Yeah, it's like um like the Johnny jumpers for babies. I mean, it really is just I people tell me all the time the first thing they get on, they're like, Oh, I feel like one of those babies and one of those things. I'm like, Well, there's a reason we put them in there.

SPEAKER_04 7:04

Yeah, yeah. We had the lady that did the bounce shoes.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Yeah, it's probably really similar to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Yeah. So like what are some of the health benefits of like the bungee class?

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Uh well, bungee is really high cardio. So I would say three minutes on the bungee is equivalent to like one minute of just running full speed on the treadmill.

SPEAKER_05 7:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Um, sorry, vice versa. One minute on the bungee is equivalent to three minutes. I was gonna say about the treadmill.

SPEAKER_03 7:35

Uh now you're making the treadmill sound more appealing.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

So you're just constantly moving in and out. It's kind of like a pendulum or a rubber band. So you're moving all the time, plus you're jumping, so you get the like uh pliometrics, um, but it takes all the impact out. So when you jump and you land, it's much softer. There's no impact on the joints and things like that. So you get to do it a lot more, especially people who maybe have like mobility issues or things like that. I have um a senior class that we just started uh because I had so many seniors that were coming in that were like, I want to do this. I can't even stand on my own, but this thing can hold me up, so why can't I do it? Yeah. So we just started a senior class so that they can move and kind of have that mobility without falling. Um, the oldest 107.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

Come on, say 107, please.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Well, no, I do have one lady, she will not tell me how old she is, but she's definitely late 70s, early 80s.

SPEAKER_03 8:43

Okay, and she's from Scottsdale?

Cardio Without Joint Impact

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Uh Gold Canyon.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

Okay, so she's probably like 98.

unknown 8:50

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

But she does bungee, she does aerial. Um so yeah, so we've had quite a big age range. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

It's cool. I'm like kind of relating it to uh like the silver shoes aquatics, uh-huh. Like just just from the that age group. Yeah. And it's like, uh yeah, it it diminishes impact while you're working your muscles, your bones are responding, like your bones respond to stress and they become stronger. Like so that kind of makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

It might be, you know, like bone dense. If we study bone density and the older people doing bungee, it's probably that's what yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Like you need you need that gravitational force or some aerial would be like more building grip strength, probably, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Grip strength, the the aerial that we use, we hang it like a hammock. Yeah. Um, so there are ones that they kind of hinge at the top and hang down, and you have to climb those uh with your upper body. The ones we use, they kind of are like a sling, so you can sit in them. Um so you still have to use a lot of grip strength, but you get all the benefits of like inversion and like spinal decompression and draining your lymphatic system and those kinds of things too.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

So you get like a lot of doesn't like the NFL compound have like the bungee? Don't you usually see the guys like they're oh they just the I think they're a different type of bungee. Yeah, it's just they're like right there.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

I don't think they're doing the aerial stuff.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

They should. Yeah. Honestly, that's another idea. Yeah. It seems like yeah, well, even just the opening.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

And touch down.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

So I will say men generally are better at aerial.

unknown 10:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Because they do have the upper body strength. A lot of times they can do a lot more stuff than women when they first start.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

We're gonna have to uh cut that out. We can't have this mind virus spreading around. But yeah, kind of like uh driving. I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yeah, yeah, kind of like that. Women are so much better at it. It's just the same, but the opposite.

SPEAKER_03 11:17

Yeah, yeah. Kind of discussion with my wife. It's like, I'm a better driver than you. I'm like, no, you are definitely not. And she was like, My insurance premium is a lot lower than yours. I was like, Yes. But if we're gonna go test out for an F1 race, I will like definitely kick your ass. So how are you measuring driving skills? Is like insurance premium? Um, willing to stop at a stop sign?

SPEAKER_04 11:49

Well, insurance premiums are gonna be lower for females, anyways, because they get less into less accidents.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Yeah, I'm gonna say less tickets and less accidents is a pretty good idea.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

How about if you have high tickets, less accidents?

SPEAKER_02 12:04

No, I don't think you win.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

Uh okay, I beg to differ. We will we'll agree to disagree on that one.

SPEAKER_04 12:13

But um, well, the men are risk takers, they're always like it's just our mindset's different, and we're all about speeding and breaking the laws. It's a lot different for yourself.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

So that's why the premiums are why they call me textbook to Robbie. I follow rules. I don't get six speeding tickets in one year. Okay, I'm kidding. So how do you warm people up to that if they're new to your studio? To whether it's let's go with Ariel. Uh that's actually what where I'm like more interested in than bungee.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

Okay. Um, so I get a lot of people with Ariel

Aerial Hammock And Inversion Benefits

SPEAKER_02 13:00

too that are like, oh, I don't know if I can do that. Um I have to have a lot of grip strength or upper body strength.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

Um but they sign up for it though.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Well, they'll call first, they'll call or reach out, whatever, you know, you know, hey, I I wanted to ask some questions, things like that, or they'll just come in. Um, and usually what I tell them is just try it. You know, just try it, see if you like it. You might not like it, and that's okay. Like it's not for everybody, but I think you'll be really surprised by what you can do, um, as opposed to thinking about what you can do or can't do. And we have just so many modifications for people, you know. So I tell them that with the bungee too. Like, if something isn't feeling good or right for you, then just let us know. And we have plenty of other things we can do. Um, so usually I get them to just come in and try the class. So with Ariel and Bungie, we have like an intro class. So it's all brand new people. Um, so nobody's ever done it before. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So nobody's ever done it before. So they're not going into a class with people that have been doing it for a long time because there is some skill, you know, you have to learn the moves, you have to learn how to move your body, how to work with the equipment, things like that. And those things just come with time. Um, but usually in the intro class, we get them into an inversion. Um, we teach them at least like one or two tricks that they can do that are, you know, very beginner level. Um, we do some stretching because there's so many different things you can do with the hammocks too. You can stretch, you know, we have some where we keep them really low to the ground and we just do like restorative stretching or kind of a Pilates type of workout, things like that. So I'll usually try to maybe steer them towards those classes first if they're really nervous because they they stay on the ground and they get used to working with the hammock before they progress to kind of like moving it up higher and then hanging off the ground.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

So yeah, there's a lot of traction in that, correct? And do you ever try to convince the people that are hooked on monthly chiropractic care to rather do like I mean, convince them?

SPEAKER_02 15:11

No.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Um no, anybody that's sold on chiropractic care, you can't convince them otherwise, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

It's true, it's true. But usually once I get them into the first inversion or a hip hang, um, where you're kind of like laying over the hammock and it goes right across your hips and just opens your hips up, uh, they're pretty sold.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

The inversion though, with the like blood rush to your head, that's gotta be something some people like, some people don't, but that that that is a pretty good selling point.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

It is. I have a shirt that says I'm not high, I'm inverted. So it's kind of the same thing. Like you do, you kind of get that euphoric feeling, like right when you come up, you're like, oh man, that felt really good.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Yeah. Yeah. I have my inversion table. Well, you get gotta do it for a certain amount of time.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Yeah, and I think the hammocks are better than inversion tables because you don't have something behind you kind of stopping you from how far you can stretch, you know, and then you can even arch your back more or kind of walk your hands forward and then really lean into it so that it's uh it just it just I don't know, it just lengthens the spine and my inversion table.

SPEAKER_04 16:25

I use it more for doing sit-ups than actually inverting.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:30

Your wife kind of was against it.

SPEAKER_03 16:32

He's doing Yvonne Drago workouts. My my wife's a physical therapist, and she's actually like really good. Hi, don't worry, I'm kidding. She doesn't watch this at all. She's like, Oh crap, he's coming up on my feed. Let's uh go to the next one. And I always beg her, I'm like, just just hit the like button and fast forward. She's just like, no, but I didn't like it.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Well, she's honest.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, uh, brutal. Brutal.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

Um, but the inversion table, like for certain things where most people are usually using it for, kind of like doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Yeah. So I will say I did see a myopractor before I started doing this. Um I've owned the studio for six years, never been back. I don't have any back issues anymore. Even if I start to feel tight, I just go and hang upside down and do some stretching and I'm good to go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

So a lot of the aerial stuff, I know like you kind of like twist your arm around. So it it's kind of

Beginner Intros And Safety Basics

SPEAKER_03 17:55

holding your weight rather than like requiring grip strength. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

I think I don't know much about this. I think that's the deceptive charm of the art, um, is making it look like you're not doing any of the work. Uh, but I think that's what's so great about it is I think you see the most gains because you're literally holding on for dear life because you don't want to fall.

SPEAKER_05 18:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Right. So you're gonna get strong really quick. But also you have to again learn to work with the equipment. So you're you're creating tension so that the hammock assists you. But in order to do that at all times, you have to have all of your muscles engaged, like the muscles in your legs so that it doesn't like cinch too tight on you. Um, you know, like straight legs, straight arms, things like that, learning how to push with one side and then push against it with the other side, pushing your hips forward, not letting them drop, because as soon as you do, you slide out. Like there's just so many um like yeah, like minute movements to it that you have to learn how to for an outsider.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

It's like I'm telling you, like what I've seen on America's Got Talent or something. Uh-huh. It's like, okay, I can see where they're gaining a little bit of strength here or like uh leverage, muscular leverage.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Yeah, you have to learn how to leverage your body and the equipment at the same time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

How long are the sessions usually?

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Um, our classes are 50 minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

So I'm willing to sign up for a three-minute course.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

I think you should. He'll do one jump. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm good. Get the harness on. Yeah. How how many people are usually in these sessions?

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Um, so with bungee and aerial, we can only have nine. Uh because of the spacing. Um, probably with Ariel, we could do more, but I don't have the rigging and the ceiling um high enough because we have to lift them high enough off the ground. With Bungie, though, we have six feet in between everybody. So when COVID happened, it was like, oh, we're already perfectly spaced apart because you need room to like move. So that's why we have nine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

We are covered.

unknown 20:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

But nine, I don't know if I mean, maybe you could, you know, maybe a couple more than nine, but I think having a bigger class than that, especially with Bungie, you'd run the risk of people just running into each other.

SPEAKER_03 20:28

Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you. Actually, I'm very curious about like with Bungie. Have you had people bouncing?

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Um of the other studios they've seen, they're really small and they can only have like four. Um, and we have a pretty big space

Grip Strength And Using Leverage

SPEAKER_02 20:45

and we still keep it only at nine. Um, I've never had people run into each other, but I'm really careful about making sure they're always kind of going alongside each other and not directly towards each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Have you ever had any clients that came in signed up and you're like, oh, this is great. But you're like, oh, he needs to wear a helmet.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

He's been there. They have. Jose's Jose's worn a helmet or two.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

I used to have an instructor that was a dance teacher, and uh, she would talk to me about kinesthetic awareness, and I was like, I don't know what that means. And then I met somebody who was not kinesthetically aware of their body, and I was like, Oh, that's what that means. Like, you don't even know right from left, or like when I say move your foot or do this, and they're just like, What?

SPEAKER_03 21:39

Dude, you like three years old, or you're an adult, like you gotta know where your head's going.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

Yeah, and then I'm like, how do you not know? But it just doesn't make sense to me. You know what I mean? That's like somebody being tone deaf and not knowing.

SPEAKER_04 21:51

It's almost like a dyslexia, yeah. Yeah, muscular, muscular dyslexia, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

But some Sometimes those are my favorite people.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

Remember, we couldn't do the peace sign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He couldn't do a peace sign. Just like we're trying to get my brother to do the Star Trek sign, and he couldn't do we found out he couldn't do the piece sign.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Oh, he couldn't even do piece. Yeah. Yeah. Let alone Star Trek.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Yeah. It was just like, okay, we have something to work on over here.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Did you ever try Morgan Mindy? The nanu nanu, what was it? Like I can't even do it.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Where you like You gotta do this? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Yeah. That takes practice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

I haven't done it. I haven't done it in years, but yeah, I still play video games. So I and I do hand tricks just in case.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Hang tricks?

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Hand tricks.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Oh, hand tricks. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

Just in case our alien over here. In case he needs to sign up for a circus. Yeah, yeah. If plastic surgery thing doesn't like I'm hitting the road, you'll see me in the big apples.

SPEAKER_04 23:07

But um what are there any like you know, any athletes or something you using that you know of that have or celebrities that have used like either the aerial or the bungee that please disclose all names?

SPEAKER_03 23:28

No, sometimes the stuff might show up on your feeds that you see in or or like what actually like relates to for like certain sports for core strength, upper body strength, lower body strength, like so I don't know of any athletes that use aerial or bungee, but I think they should.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah, I think that um like with the bungee, like you're talking about explosive movements and things like that. Like um and I think because the bungee gives you just a little bit of air time, you learn how to also land more safely because you're kind of up in the air for just a second and you're thinking about what you're gonna do when you come down. Um and then also with the aerial, I think with like stretching, like I said, opening your hips, elongating your spine, things like that would all be really helpful to athletes, but I've never seen any of them really use it. Um, the only celebrities I've seen do bungee was on Saturday Night Live, which was really funny. Not very accurate, but very funny. I don't know if you guys ever watched that skit, but it was good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

We're gonna cut away to that right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:46

Jose, you got it. Perfect. Where's this Saturday Night Live bungee skit? Yeah. Should check it out. It's really good.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Is it a re more recent one or uh yeah, it was um, I think it was this year. It was either this year or the end of last year. Yeah. Recent from the Timothy Shalomet when he was on there. He was the host, I think. So yeah, Timothy Shalomet, and then he did the bungee.

SPEAKER_04 25:12

We learned how to do parkour from the office. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

You did. Yeah. I never learned. The um what would make you direct somebody more towards bungee versus Ariel, or it's what they want?

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Um, it is what they want. I I usually Do you give recommendations?

SPEAKER_03 25:39

Like, dude, I'd see you want to be bungee, but you're more Ariel?

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Um, no, I haven't given a recommendation like that.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

But I will tell them I don't want to be like, Dude, your voice is a little bit limp, so you might want to go with bungee. Ariel is gonna require groups.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Um but there are some people that are like, I really prefer one over the other. Um, some people really like them both. Um, but I will tend to steer them towards aerial if they really have a lot of strength to build up first. Um, like I said, the bungee is really high cardio. You do build a lot of strength, um, but it's a little bit slower, uh, whereas with the aerial, it's a little bit faster, but they're really good complements to each other. So, like when I started doing aerial, I got way better at bungee. Okay. Um, because of the way you have to move your body. Like, it's really about keeping like your hips in line with your shoulders. Cause when you're on the bungee, you have to pull the bungee forward through your hips. And with the aerial, you have to constantly push your hips forward in order to leverage yourself.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

So almost yeah, almost based on center of gravity, like same, like we grew up wrestling, mentioned here like a hundred times. But it's like your center of gravity really controls how your body's gonna be able to move and react, even

Center Of Gravity And Releasing Control

SPEAKER_03 27:10

if someone's trying to take you down, beat the shit out of you. Like control your center of gravity, get punched in the face a couple times, you'll be okay. As long as you you have that posture, and when that guy like just weakens out, you can like take control of that situation.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Yeah, and as soon as you get them off balance, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Yeah, you you literally like throw them off. I was I wasn't the best wrestler. I wrestled for like 12 years, but my move was this bladle, which is extremely high risk, high rewards. So I'm either gonna sound like my kind of move. Yeah, I'm I'm either going to end the game, it's it's I'm either gonna end the match now, or I'm gonna get stuck. Yeah, yeah. So that's that's all it was. So it where did we start?

SPEAKER_04 28:05

Oh, I don't know. I have no idea. So you you talked about it last last episode, so it's bringing back. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

I'm trying to I'm trying to like piece together episodes. Yeah, so it it's something like you either have to catch somebody and it's game over, or else if you don't you're talking about center of gravity, where center of gravity, there you go. But that that goes back to everything wrestling, like single-leg takedowns, double leg takedowns, defending all that is if you have control of your center of gravity, gives you control of the match. And even going high-risk, high reward moves or low risk.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

But she's teaching defying gravity. No, but but she's talking about.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

I think I'm actually gonna steal what you just said though about the center of gravity. I'm gonna use that when I teach.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

Yeah, the center of gravity is very important. It's like having control, like, because even on an everyday basis, if your center of gravity for some something, like you step in a pothole or something, your center of gravity is thrown off. Your whole, like at my age, your your whole back's thrown out for like two weeks. So it it kind of puts people in discomfort. And that's why this is what I was trying to get to. It's the worst clip ever. A long way around. Like that that's how I use it to my advantage, because like throwing people off their like control, off their like controlled environment and like what they could do, all of a sudden they're like, I've never witnessed my center of gravity being a bad unless they're a novice wrestler, yeah, they'll fall for it because most people are on this. I'll tell you that much.

SPEAKER_04 30:01

You're usually on your center of gravity. Like if you don't like everything, everything, even like that's why it's a dumb move.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Sorry, that that it it it it definitely is a dumb move. And again, it's like it's a great move for somebody that doesn't want to wrestle the whole six minutes. It's like, you know what? Let's settle this in the first 30 seconds. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:26

But I'm all in and blackjacked. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

I'm I'm either gonna pin you or I'm gonna get stuck. Yeah, yeah. But when when you throw somebody off their center of gravity, because like wrestling's a perfect sport for that, because it's a hip balance, keep your hip squared, like that's all about like your center of gravity. Like the the times you're you're told to shoot on somebody, like go after their legs, you have to set that up. So, like you do little jerks, find out which way they react, and then you attack. But if their if their center of gravity is not off, no matter what you do and how bad their defense is, you're setting yourself at such a like disadvantage to get those points.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

So I think that kind of what you just described is actually what happens internally for people uh when they do bungee or aerial for the first time. They're having that whole like dialogue with themselves about their center of gravity. And when they are successful, they're so surprised. Yep. And then they're like, oh my gosh, I did that. Uh, the lady that I was telling you about that's older, like the first time she did bungee. I mean, she just laughed and laughed and laughed and had the best time. But up to that point, she'd been coming to the studio for years and had never tried bungee.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

How much ketamine did she take?

SPEAKER_04 31:56

But it is, it does have to be this like out of out of body experience where you're concentrating on something that's like so different that you forget about the rest of what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

Expectations versus control. Like, and there there's a lot of people. I'm guilty of it too. It's like I'm willing to give up control, but I have certain expectations. But like if you're willing to like lay down and like like, okay, let's see what this experience withholds, like take your expectations down and not expect to have as much control. I think majority of people, at least 70 to 80 percent of people, want to have control over something. It doesn't have to be like, oh, I have to know what my husband's doing, what if if the room's clean, but like control over like, okay, I I know this is what's gonna happen. So like I think that way would be classic surgeons, so it's all about control.

SPEAKER_04 33:03

So I'm like I won't give up control.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think they're in the same way.

SPEAKER_03 33:08

I'm not I'm not saying that in the OR, I'm saying like no, just in general, but it's just drive it's what drives you.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

It's like the control. I mean, they had that experience today where I was like, oh, I feel out of control, and then I just had to do something.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Yeah, we just had a hundred specialized uh physicians for spectrum disorders, and he is they all voted he's on there. Top doc. Yeah. Top doc on the spectrum. But yeah, the the control issue is a lot for a lot of people. And even me where I'm like like laid back, like you sometimes realize you you don't need control over all aspects. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

I don't know if that's a totally totally disagree, but um I do now that you say that, I do think the people that really enjoy the experience are probably people that set some of that control down. And the people that don't enjoy the experience are people that are like, I I was expecting this.

SPEAKER_04 34:12

Yeah, you can't get it just like me wakeboarding, like I the guy told like it was a French guy trying to teach me. He wanted to get up. He wanted to freaking kill me, and he's like no, I didn't run the way that I tried my forearms were freaking dead, and uh the guy's like, You gotta loosen up on your forearms. I'm like, ah, I'm loosening up.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

But I couldn't get it I can't believe you tried wakeboarding. I could have guessed you would have failed at that.

SPEAKER_04 34:40

Like, yeah, we like I went with my friends and we all of us failed, so it's like we're gonna get up, and the guy that was in St. Martin, the guy freaking was swearing. Dude, this shit sucks.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

It feels like the boat's trying to pull your shoulders out of your fucking head. Yeah, um, but Ari got up there on her second try. It's like, oh, look at me. Like, the fuck is this? Yeah. But that's that's it, it's also not being instructed correctly because everything like sounds exactly what you went through. Yeah, it's like, oh no, you gotta relax your legs. Do this like relax. What are you talking about? It's just folks dragging me at 30 miles an hour. Like, I'm just sorry.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

Yeah, I don't know if I even got close, but it it's similar.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

You're you're talking no, I got I I literally just got pulled up and dragged out my face every time. Sounds like that's what you went through, too.

SPEAKER_04 35:37

Yep, my my forearms I thought were like three times the size. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

I've never been wakeboarding by water skiing, yeah, yeah, and it's the same. And you have to find the center of gravity, and you yeah, you gotta like create that leverage, can't bend your arms, can't pull the boat to you. You have to let it do what it's supposed to do, and you do what you're supposed to do.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

And the center of gravity, we were in undergrad. I had a friend who was good with like motorcycles, uh BMX, all this stuff, and we're like, we're gonna make this most extreme video. And like five years later, I realized what he was doing that I wasn't doing. I was leaning forward, going downstairs. I'm like, why am I just landing on my head every time? And this guy's just doing it so easily. But it was the the center of gravity, and it it's you need to adjust your center of gravity. So it's it's not the same for every situation. It kind of kind of comes into balance with um emotions as well. It's like Ruth is gonna be like, you need to do less drugs.

SPEAKER_04 36:54

That's all a part of control, you know, no drugs, no alcohol, and you stay in control. That's a that's a part we stay stay in control, you know.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

But yeah, a lot a lot of people have that's that's what I see. What you're doing is like just giving up that control. But just being like, even even if you're not gonna do that as a lifestyle, but you're willing to give up control, become uncomfortable, but try to like see how else you can control the scenario would benefit a ton of people.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Yeah,

Social Fitness And Finding Community

SPEAKER_02 37:36

that and uh and then like our other thing is we call it social fitness. So like it's not just about coming in and working out and making sure you check that box, right? The I don't know, the community that we have, and I don't know, it seems really different even than like the other gyms that I worked at. Um, where these people are coming in, you know, we're doing friends giving, we're doing, you know, outings together. But also when they come in, I rarely have to go talk to a new person because my clients, when they come in, they'll be like, oh, what's your name? Who are you? You know, oh, is this your first class? Oh, come over here, I'll show you like where this is and that. And they're so friendly and so welcoming. And I find that most of the people that come in and stay are people who maybe have been raising kids for a little while. And so they don't have much of a social life because they devoted their lives to their kids, or they just moved here and they're really looking for community and for people to be around. And so they end up coming in to like try this new thing, but then they make friends and then they're like, Well, this is what I want to come and do every single day because my friends are here, and so they're venturing out of their shell, not just physically, but socially and emotionally, and they're opening up and you know, just different things that maybe they weren't getting somewhere else.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

Yeah, I think moving forward into the future, like however anybody describes tech and stuff, that's my alarm. I'm done talking now. Um the communities and microcommunities will make those things mean so much more. We're like we're kind of like shifting. Everybody's like, oh, okay, we're going into a dystopian future, but like the way you connect with people and what you do physically uh and in the physical realm actually connects you more than we weren't supposed to connect with this age.

SPEAKER_04 39:42

That's you. It's supposed to be just that no, not me. I'm just saying the this generation, you're not supposed to talk to that.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Uh I think I think the I think the pendulum's switching the other way, where everybody's appreciating that, being like, okay, let's check out this digital realm and then the real life lamp realm.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

I think COVID kind of kicked it really into that, and then yeah, there it should be a bounce back.

SPEAKER_02 40:11

Yeah, the the repercussion of loneliness, yeah. And I but I think people are gonna have to figure out different ways, right? Because so many things are now AI and they're trying to figure out like, you know, where do I meet people? I can't just go out and go to the park and start talking to people anymore. People don't feel comfortable.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

I just mean avatar and an AR AI version of myself doing bungee training.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

All these like dating gaps and stuff that's blossomed because no one goes out to meet people anymore. They, if it's not on a dating gap, they don't know how to do it. Farmers only.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

That's my favorite one.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

Farmers are too busy that they're not even going out finding out other farmers, other farmers.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

Uh fucking sick. I don't have any farmers. No, no.

SPEAKER_04 41:05

So how many coaches do you have?

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Um, right now I have four. Okay. Including, well, not including myself. So five of us total, yeah. So my daughter, actually, um, she's 25. So she teaches uh the Arial Silks and Bungie.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

What were you 12 years old when you're I was 21, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

21. Um, and then I just I have a couple girls that just got their certification. Um, and then oh, and then myself. So I get it's four including me.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Yeah. Yeah. And how like what are your hours that you're um so we have morning classes, but they're like mid-morning. Okay. Um I think COVID changed that too because people used to go work out at 5 a.m. and now they work from home, so they don't have to. So we have some mid-morning classes and then every evening and then Saturdays, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

So I was never a morning person. So mid-morning sounds perfect.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

I know, me too. I was like, I don't have to get up at 4 30 in the morning anymore. Great.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

There's still morning involved in this.

SPEAKER_04 42:09

And how many times a week are people usually coming in? Like your regulars, how many times a week are they using it?

SPEAKER_03 42:15

Or what do you recommend for people? Like what how often do people usually do it? And what do you think would be best for?

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Well, we have a really big variety of classes. Um, so I I have some girls, I have a couple girls that work like graveyards and swing shifts. Um, so they come on their days off and they come to every single class. So they'll come to two classes in the morning, three classes at night because they're all different. So one of them might be a workout class and then you stretch. Um, and then they take, you know, a break in the afternoon and come back later. And then they don't come the rest of the week. They just come those two days but take 10 classes.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Um, and then I have other people that just come for like one class every day. I have some people that come, you know, but we again it's like a workout class and then a stretch class and then a dance class and then an aerial so they're all different.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

So you can just kind of are the dance classes with the bungees and aerials?

SPEAKER_02 43:11

Sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

Are you doing any hot dance classes?

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Like hot yoga? Yeah. No, no, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

Do you do any do you do any Zumba? We don't do Zumba.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Um, we just do the burlesque. And the burlesque, again, is really designed for you to love your body a little bit more when you leave than when you came in. So I always tell them, like, it doesn't matter if you have dance experience, none of it matters. What I want you to do is like look at yourself when you're dancing. And if you see a curve that you really like or the way that you looked over your shoulder, or whatever, like I want you to think about that and those things and like how you felt when you looked at yourself and saw yourself that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:57

Do you notice people n Picking what they see wrong all the time.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

All the time. And we try to just kind of squash that. Um, you know, I always tell people, like, first of all, don't ugly. Don't apologize.

SPEAKER_03 44:11

You're not fat.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

I get people that apologize all the time. Just like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm sorry, this is my first time. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And I'm like, don't apologize for being a human being.

SPEAKER_03 44:21

Yeah. Don't like nobody's done it before. Same thing we say in our practice. Like, stop apologizing, just keep giving us the money. It's gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

Yeah. But I mean, that's the kind of stuff that that's why that's why I opened the studio or bought the studio, was because

Burlesque And Body Acceptance

SPEAKER_02 44:40

I know I felt that way. Um, and I didn't want other people to continue to feel that way, especially when they're going to a place where they're trying to make healthier choices and feel better. And the other gyms that I worked at were really about like lose 20 pounds in six weeks, you know, eat boiled chicken and asparagus for six weeks, and you're gonna, yeah. And I'm like, are you even a nutritionist? Do you even know what advice you're giving? No, you're not.

SPEAKER_03 45:05

Most are not, even if they are nutritionists. Yeah, and they try to pay you a script. They're given a script, and you you have to follow this. Yeah. So just some good ones.

SPEAKER_04 45:17

You could make anyone a nutritionist. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

So yeah. So yeah, we really just try to make it like as soon as they walk in the door, like just you're gonna do great. You're gonna have so much fun. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what you do because you showed up and that was the hardest part, and you're having fun. So as long as you're having fun and you're doing something healthy for yourself, then none of the other stuff matters.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Or if for some reason your business declines whatsoever, let us know. Cause I'm gonna start up a different studio just where people walk in. It's like, you suck, you can't do shit. Like, what the fuck is this? You really want to get in shape?

SPEAKER_04 45:57

You have a mountainside fitness. Oh yeah, true.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Yeah, I had a couple people that did that at some of the other places I worked too, where I was just like, stop.

SPEAKER_03 46:06

So so are the bungees hung from the roof? Or do you have any bungees from the warm?

SPEAKER_02 46:14

No, they're all hung from the ceiling. Yeah. So we have um, we had a team that rigs like the Cirque des Soleil shows in Vegas. They came out and did the ceiling. So we have weight-bearing pipes in the ceiling. Um, there's like an individual pipe at each spot, so they're not carrying a combined load. Um, and then the bungee is like wrapped around it with um, what do they call them? Like a nylon spanner, um, the kind you can get on like tow trucks and stuff. And so then it hangs down from the ceiling and then it attaches to the harness.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Can you handle like truck nuts from there too? Probably.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

Maybe that's gonna ask the most of them do you host birthday parties?

SPEAKER_02 46:53

We do, and I will definitely get some truck nuts for the.

SPEAKER_04 46:59

We do that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Yeah, I actually have one on Friday.

SPEAKER_03 47:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Bachelorette parties, team building, birthdays, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

That might be our next girl's exercise. Yeah.

unknown 47:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:16

But um I thought I had a funny joke, but I forgot it, so it couldn't be that funny.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

It wasn't a split. No.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

So when are you guys gonna come try it?

SPEAKER_04 47:30

I don't know when I find time.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

We got we got a couple of trips planned, both of us do. So, but before the summer's over.

unknown 47:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

I think I'll just go with Sarah so she can tell you. No, no, I think we need to do a team building thing for the girls' office. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

Oh, definitely be good for that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

I think because they'd be way more into it than we would.

SPEAKER_04 47:57

And I'll definitely Yeah, they do like Pilates together and stuff like that. Yeah, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

Yeah, no, they would love it.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

Yeah, yeah. Her nurse practitioner does, I don't know. Every time I talk to her,

Rigging Parties And How To Book

SPEAKER_04 48:10

she's got a new like class she's going to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:13

Yeah, she likes she's doing fantastic. She like cartwheels into the clinic practically. And it's like, what have you been doing lately? Yeah. All right. All right. Now it's time for the awkward end. Jose, Jose, can you can you uh where is your where's the example located?

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Um we're in Chandler on Dobson and Elliot.

SPEAKER_04 48:37

Oh, that's right by us.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

Yeah, yeah. Where's your clinic?

SPEAKER_04 48:41

Dobson and the to Elliot. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, we're right next to each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Maybe that's why. I don't know. I kept looking at your shirt and I was like, it looks so familiar. Maybe that's why. Maybe I drive by it all the time.

SPEAKER_04 48:52

Which plot where is it?

SPEAKER_02 48:54

Um the one uh it's right across the street from Circle K. Okay. Um, so we're on the northwest side. So do you know where D's dance wear is?

SPEAKER_04 49:04

I don't, but there's all those Chinese, there's all the Chinese places. Oh, yeah, we're not quite there.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

We're like Chinese things around. No, that's the channel.

SPEAKER_04 49:15

That's the that's Chandler Boulevard Dobson, I think.

SPEAKER_03 49:19

Yeah, Chandler Boulevard.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

No, there's Dobson, I think it's Dobson in Guadalupe. There's some too. Yeah. So yeah, we're like right in between there. But yeah, there's like the batteries plus is kind of towards the front, but we're like way in the back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

No, we gotta do a group like uh team building experience.

unknown 49:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

It'll work out well. How uh where can people find you?

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Uh tough lotus.group is our website. We're on mind body. Um, so that's where you can go to like book the classes and things like that.

SPEAKER_04 49:52

Mindbody mind body's an app.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

It's like an app, like a scheduling software. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you can just type in mind body and then you can look for tough lotus on mind body.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

Chandler.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

There we go. Yeah. Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

Yeah.