No Kings & the Battle for America’s Soul - Ep. 27

1 hour, 2 minutes

We know something about pressure. You can feel it in the church aisles, in the grocery line, in who gets stopped driving down Main after dark. But lately, that pressure isn’t just local — it’s national, creeping in through our screens, our newsfeeds, and the voices of men who look straight into a camera and tell America that power belongs to whoever claims God sent them.

That’s why Episode 27 of Three for the Founders is not just another conversation. It’s a warning flare shot clean into a darkening sky.

The hosts — Reynaldo Antonio Macias, Lybroan James, and Jon Augustine — don’t tiptoe around it. They walk straight into the storm: Steve Bannon calling Donald Trump “an instrument of the divine,” all while promising (or threatening?) a 2028 presidency and brushing past the 22nd Amendment like it’s a speed bump. That’s not politics. That’s an authoritarian sales pitch wrapped in scripture.

And too many folks are buying it.

But this episode doesn’t just talk about Bannon. It talks about the machine behind him — the algorithm, the “ether,” the long-game strategy that has been shaping American power for generations. Think tanks planning in centuries, not news cycles. Propaganda that looks suspiciously like the 1930s, except this time the posters come stamped with the U.S. Department of Labor. Whiteness dressed up as patriotism, again.

And while that machinery churns, somebody’s asking a real question:

Why are white protestors flooding “No Kings” rallies while so many Black folks are sitting this one out?

The hosts won’t sugarcoat:

Because Black people have already learned what happens when we get loud. Because the cost of protest isn’t the same for everyone. Because some of us have warned about voter suppression, policing, and backlash for decades — and we’re still waiting for the rest of America to catch up.

This episode also goes inward — into fear, dreams, kids, Blue Books, Sunday alarms — but not as a distraction. As a reminder: real people are carrying this moment. Real families are thinking about leaving the country. Real communities are asking what safety even means anymore.

And then comes the hardest question of all: What does it mean to be American right now?

Lybroan argues many of us were never allowed to be “Americans” in the first place — not in the way power defines it. Antonio pushes back. Jon names his own fears. They wrestle, respectfully, fiercely, the way democracy requires.

In a time when politicians bend scripture for power, when propaganda gets algorithmic, and when “strength” is sold as a substitute for truth, this conversation is not just relevant — it’s necessary.

Why this matters

Because what happens at the Supreme Court affects who gets housing.

Because what gets framed as “American” shapes which of our kids are treated as such.

Because authoritarian drift never starts with tanks in the streets — it starts with language, symbols, and the quiet rewriting of norms while the rest of us try to get through the week.

Three for the Founders calls it out with humor, with heart, and with the kind of clarity small communities need right now.

So here’s your challenge — echoing theirs:

Define what being American means to you.

Then find your people and get organized.

Posts aren’t protection. Proximity is power.

Ep. 27 is available now.

Don’t just listen — sit with it. Argue with it. Act on it.

Because the algorithm is already doing its job.

It’s time we start doing ours.

Thanks for joining us. Still got questions? Other things to say? Hit us up at Three for the Founders on Instagram, Facebook, or  YouTube and let us know. Til the next time...left on Founders...we out! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Do you ever do any like sleeping aids or anything like that? Yeah, we listened to uh green noise. I was like, Sabi that green noise don't work. She put that thing, I said, man, I'm gonna do why did you do white noise? What's wrong with white noise? You got a problem with white noise? I have white noise every day of my life.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

We're brothers, we're happy and we're singing and we're colored.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Give me a high five. All right, cut and print. Beautiful guys. I don't like that. Welcome to Three for the Founders, where brotherhood meets the breakdown. We've been having these conversations for years, and now you are invited to join us. We'll say the things you are afraid to say and ask the questions you've always wanted to ask. Three brothers, all truth, no filters. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

Hi, Reynaldo Antonio Macillas here. I'm a teacher, educator, lifelong learner, somebody who enjoys thinking about things and then talking about things. Sometimes writing about things, although I talk about writing more than I actually write.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

And hello, my name is LeBron James, a mathematician, futurist, and a person who likes to solve problems, especially when it comes to race in America.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

My name is John Augustine. I am a communications consultant, an executive coach. I'm a musician. I'm a white dude in a black fraternity. And I am obsessed with communicating and getting people to be understood and finding a more diverse way of moving forward together.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

And we're back.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

I do know that I need to say thank you to our producers, uh, Daniela Macias and Sabah James. Yes, love them, love them. At different points along this journey, provided us with such wonderful questions as do you sock sock shoe shoe, or do you sock shoe sock shoe? Yes. And Sabah just sent us episode top.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

She just sent us the episode one about why aren't black people protesting no kings? Why is only white people pro protesting no kings? Yes. I was like, wow, that is interesting.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Yes. And that was she also came with the uh Marvel movies as modern propaganda for the United States using violence all over the world to save us all. So um Daniela, in her producer role, also gave us uh today's start question.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Before we get too deep, I have a shout-out too. Um you have another shout out, Antonio.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

You I just had to give the producers their due. No, but shout it out. Shout it out, brother.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Yeah, I do want to give a uh a shout out to one of our consistent listeners, my man Aaron Colitz. Fantastic legal mind in Los Angeles. He was at the wedding. I don't know if you're uh he was at the wedding with his beautiful son. His son was our ring bearer at the wedding. Okay, yeah, and his wife Hilde.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

That means I have a photo of them.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Yes, that means you do have a photo of the family and the memory. Shout out to my man Aaron. Just wanted to give you a shout out. Thank you so much for listening. Yeah, keep sending good vibes and man, and please send us some feedback, man. You have great, great feedback. We would love to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

I've got a shout out, if I may, y'all just tease it up. Shout it out. So I have a friend that I grew up with. Speaking of surfing, he is in Washington, D.C., and he's been listening to the podcast, and he sent a couple messages through our Instagram page saying, Hey, I want to participate in the conversation. And when I look at it, I'm like, I know you, I've known you since I was 14 years old. And I'm gonna butcher his name because he changed his name, but he was one of the only African American surfers in Los Angeles, and he was a homie, a year older than me. And his name is now, hold on, I gotta look it up so I don't butcher this. Ichiro Arban Nukunu. Ichido, great catching up, man. We're gonna talk more. Thank you for participating, and we got a lot more to talk about, but appreciate you, brother.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

We are also now in 20 countries, 217 cities. We're worldwide. I don't know what that means. And I don't know. Three for the global.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

How do we get Bali up in here? Oh yeah, you see, you said we got Indonesia. I'm like, I think Bali's in Indonesia. That's all right. Two for one.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

That's all right.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Take a two for one. I decided to travel 8,000 miles to get a new country up there.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

To get a new country in the in the mix.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Did y'all see the Steve Bannon interview where he said Trump's gonna be president in 2028?

SPEAKER_03 4:45

No, he said that.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yes, I saw that interview. He said he will be president in 2028.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

He said he will be president, but but when she asked about the 22nd Amendment. 22nd Amendment, he was like, Oh, there's a plan. And when the time is right, it'll be revealed.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

This kind of I know you got a question for me, but this kind of falls in line of what we were talking about, Antonio, like where when we're making parallels to the Third Reich and you know leading up to full-blown Nazi Nazism, at what point are we being alarmist, and at what point are we paying attention to what's happening? And when I watched Steve Bannon say, he said on the in that interview too, that Donald Trump is not perfect, nor is he holy, nor is he churchy, but he is an instrument of the divine, a vessel of the divine. This is language from you could you could be 1200 AD, you could be like this is antiquated weird stuff that's happening to say that Donald Trump is a vehicle of the divine.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

He's not a vehicle of the divine, he's an instrument of people who love power. Mm-hmm.

unknown 5:57

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

But Steve Bannon can use that language and fool people into believing that Donald Trump is God's instrument to do the righteous thing. It's so twisted. It's so twisted.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

There are so many different gods out there. I'm glad they got theirs because theirs is different than mine. Yours is just God. Just God.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

But uh t-shirt I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Mine is at home. Shoot.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Antonio, hit us with that question, man, and get us into this goch.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Come on now. It is so here's here's the question. Here the question is if it's Saturday morning and you don't have any employment commitments, do you set an alarm clock?

SPEAKER_01 6:48

No. No. Who has an alarm clock on a Saturday? No. Oh you've just been voted off the global majority team. Turn your jersey in at table three. Pick up your mayonnaise and raisins and your potato salad.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Start clapping on one table.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Here you have shoes.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

For what? To what for what? What's the reason? Because Tupac said I can sleep when I'm dead.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

It's like that. How early is your alarm clock on the Saturday? Tell me it's not the same as the other days. It's not the same when you're waking up.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

It's not the same.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

So it's you give yourself a little more time.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Uh two and a half hours.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Okay. Do you need the alarm clock to wake up? Yeah. Aren't you a man in your 50s that wakes up every three minutes to I'm curious to know more, Antonio, as to why I have a feeling.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

I get antsy lounging. Um, what I most enjoy is whatever book I'm currently reading. And a cup of coffee. Yeah. And quiet. Oof.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Bro, that's like 50-year-old sex right there, man. You talking dirty to me. That's what I'm talking about, right? This is three for the founders that we're gonna do. Tell me more. Turn those pages, bro. Quiet? Turn the pages, bro. What did you say? Twelve random house?

SPEAKER_03 8:17

Charter Praised Ink? I truly enjoy getting up and having nowhere to go. Yes. I enjoy getting up and having it be quiet.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Yes. So, but then what's the purpose of the alarm? Can't you just wake up and do that? Or does the alarm make sure you begin doing that at a certain time?

SPEAKER_03 8:42

Yes. That I that that that is an activity that I wish to engage in. And I know that you all are coming over at two o'clock or three o'clock or four o'clock at seven o'clock.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Or not at all if you're LeBron back from a trip.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

I know that I, you know, we're we're going to see someone at some time for something.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Does the Messiah's house on a Saturday? Bro, that just made me think. Should we have our kids on this podcast one time? Man, that would be dope. Dude. Uh-huh. Which one of yours do you think would be down to come on?

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Oh, LeBron listens to us all the time. So yeah. So uh and then Nigel did a 90-day Instagram challenge. He did a post for 90 days straight, like a five-minute informational or speaking speaking post for 90 days straight. So I can get my niggas on here. It's not a problem.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

You're gonna get the niggas on? Yes, for sure. Are we gonna do a gentleman's episode?

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Yes, we're gonna do the gigs.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

It wasn't gentle.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

When you asked the niggas, to be like my dad was not that gentle.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

He was more like that name just kills me, dude. The niggas? The nigglets. I've heard it referenced from someone telling me the story about their racist neighbor. But I'm not you guys saying that it's just next level.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Because we say it in love. What you say, how you say it. Oh my god. In the James family, we've been calling we've been called nigglets since I was a child. Like, what are the nigglets?

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Well, I call mine because it's Polish and Italian together. I call powps. Powops? Hello, Powops. All right, so Antonio, if Antonio, if you didn't set the alarm, yes, you're concerned you would not wake up and enjoy the morning? You would that's why the alarm is set?

SPEAKER_03 10:33

Uh no, I I actually funny enough, I actually pop up. Um but like it just like okay, now you get to do what you want to do. It's your time. And and what I don't want to do is sleep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

I love it. Yeah, you know. Theoretically, though, for me, I think right now we're dreaming. So I love when I sleep because I feel like that's the time that I'm actually awake and living, is when I'm sleeping and dreaming, and that this is actually a dream. That's just in my experience. Uh Antonio. Say more. Who's philosophical? So we have a perspective that right now we are awake and conscious. Yes. I'm believing that we are right now dreaming, and that when we sleep, those are the moments that we're actually alive, because that's how we're going to spend eternity alive in another dimension outside of this consciousness. So right now we're just enjoying a really some long, some short dream. And sometimes we wake up and then we come back to this, which is the other part of the dream. Matrix said, What?

SPEAKER_03 11:54

I don't even know what to do with that. Only because I woke up the other morning and and I told my wife this. I woke up pissed. I woke up angry.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

So something happened, something happened in the other when he was awake. When he was awake with his eyes closed in REM state.

SPEAKER_03 12:12

We're at 26 years of marriage, about to be 27. Wow, in a row. So she at this point knows, like if she wants to piss me off, she can piss me off. Oh, yeah, of course. And she had done four things in a row. Like, not little things, like like, I'm going to get you. In your dream? In my dream.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Or as LeBron would say, in your awake.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Well, you're awake. And I sat up. I said, beach. And then she woke up, like she hurt. She was like, What'd you say? I said, Nothing. Nothing? I said, You pissed me off in my dream. She said, What'd I do? And I told her, she's like, Oh, that would, yeah, that would piss you off. I said, I know. I don't know what I'm working out. But apparently, LeBron, I'm not the one working shit out. No. Because I was awake.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

She was awake while he was asleep. Thank you. And then you were back to sleep. How dare you? Oh my God. You know what's this bring? It's pissing me off now, man. That as we get older, my dreams are now literal. Think about the dreams when you're younger. They were like, you know, you're doing this weird thing, then you're doing this other weird thing. Now you have dreams of actual things that happen in actual real life. Like, why is my brain not using this time to dream up of like grown up? Although I have I have recurring dreams, the ones that have gone away. When I was raising kids, I guess we're always raising our kids, but you know, when they were littler, I had a recurring dream. I I had a version of it actually the other night. I forgot about this, where I'm driving some kind of vehicle. Everybody's in the vehicle. My kids, probably more people, and I'm going up a hill, and I can't see the top of the hill. And the higher I go up the hill, the more sheer the cliffs on the left and the right become, and the less I can see. You just keep going, keep going, and you hope to get to that top, and somehow you get over the top, and then you can't see any like everyone's gonna die. And then I wake up like that over and over again. And that dream has diminished until recently. I had it actually, but I hadn't had it in years. Do you all have any recurring nightmares or dreams like that that you can that you think of or you remember?

SPEAKER_01 14:22

I have a recurring dream that I'm always at UCLA and I'm late to a final where I'm I'm about to fail a final, I'm and I'm not prepared all day.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

To a class you've never been to? I've never been to. You don't know where it is on the campus.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Yes, and you're always trying to get to it.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

You're consulting some notebook going, wait, where is it? Where is the you know that's Murphy Hall? Bro, you lived our nightmare?

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Bro.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

LeBron, I think it's the most common dream among you know human beings. Is it using a test?

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Oh Dave and I are like, Oh, let's go to Mardi Gras. Sure. Sure, why not?

SPEAKER_00 15:05

The UCLA Mardi Gras. No, no, New Orleans proper, the real Mardi Gras.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

We went to Mardi Gras. You got some beads.

unknown 15:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Got some beads, threw some beads, saw some beads, you know what I'm saying? No doubt. And so, whatever. Mardi Gras is actually a week of festivities. We did enough research to find that out. We went, we had a great time. We came back, and I walked into class on Tuesday. And I was like, why has everybody got blue books? For those of you uh under, I don't know what, 40?

SPEAKER_01 15:46

40, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

35. Blue book is the small booklet, and it was literally a blue booklet of blank pages that we used to use in the olden times. We would write handily in cursive our final examinations or our midterm examinations. And so everybody is scared. Yes, I can't tell us the sound.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

It's the sound of my nightmares. It's the sound of my nightmares.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

So they're furiously scratching away, and I was like, and I I probably, you know, my you know, you know how I deal with time, so I was probably 10-15 minutes after the allotted beginning. Uh, you know, because that's when everybody's gonna gather.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Antonio likes to make an entrance.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

I rolled up to the uh I rolled up to the professor and I said, Prof, estaba in vacaciones. I actually don't know that I've been to this class since the first week. And so I'm not prepared for this midterm examination.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

I actually turned in the final paper, turned in the midterm exam, and wrote the final exam all on the same class.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Something only must see it's can accomplish, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Some three weeks later, because in the UC system back in the day, I think they're still on the quarters of quarters. So it was only a week that long grading period, right? So we put to Mardi Gras the third week, came back the fourth week, and they were taking the midterm. I was like, yeah, I'll get to it, I'll get to it. Yeah, I'm not ready yet. I'm getting okay. Oh, the paper, yeah. The final paper is probably due eighth week. Uh you know, okay, yeah. When's the final day?

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Antonio, I'm guessing that professor practiced universal design for learning. Creating flexible learning environments that accommodate the needs of all learners from the onset from the outset.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

He accommodated the needs of Bourbon Street. Oh my goodness. Way back in the day. I love it. So I'm the only book. Right, the blue book.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

That's a that gave me a little PTSD. That was a trigger. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Um I'm the only weirdo who sets an alarm on the weekends, is what I get.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

But you're not weird in that you want to take advantage of the awake hours, and that I'm 10 out of 10 with you. I just don't need to set an alarm in order to do so.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Now, one thing I will say though, Antonio, I do set an alarm every Sunday, but that's so I get up to go play golf. So I do set an alarm for that. But if I didn't have to play golf, I'll ain't no alarm being set on the weekends. You don't have to play golf.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Oh, I do. No, no, he signed up for a how to become white in 60 days plan.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

How's he gonna be white? He goes with three black dudes because there's it's three black dudes.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

There you go. You got it. Man, look at you. I see you.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Oh, how did you on the course? They don't break you up.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

You don't have a because I know you. I'm golfer Jason. In my professional life in private schools, there is an awful lot of anxiety about transitions from school. So for the last 21 years out of my 32, I have been in a position to deal with children who are graduating from eighth grade and they're transitioning to ninth grade. And one of the things that I've always said to their parents is they're going to be fine, they're going to end up where they should end up, and sometimes that's not where you want them to go.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Ooh, that's a hard talk for the parents.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

But I had somebody say to me that, yo, kid, I just went to therapy yesterday and I listened to the manhood episode this morning, and y'all were talking about therapy. And so those two things are combined in my head because uh, and I texted this in the group text, but I said, Are we the algorithm? And by that I mean we've talked a lot, and I've found that you know you we'll have a recording, like we'll sit here and we'll chat it up and whatever and we'll talk. And then even before the episode drops, like the things that we've talked about, right? So, John, you you alluded to the the question about Nazis and whether we're calling the Trump and the Trump regime Nazis or whether we're being hyperbolic. But we had that conversation about the little Nazi field trip where you were like, ah, Franz.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Oh, I love that one. Write that down.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Write that down.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

That was my favorite clip of all time, John. We had that conversation. That one was classic. That was classic. Right?

SPEAKER_03 20:45

We had that conversation three months ago. More where that came from, LeBron. Four months ago. Yeah. And now the Trump regime is putting out posters, Nazi posters, and they're running around the streets masked up, Gestapo-like, stealing people off the streets. And so there have just been a number of instances where we have talked about something and then I've seen it. And I don't know if that's confirmation bias. You know, I talked to my my wife or manifestation. Or manifestation. My youngest child uh got a white car, and all of a sudden we're, you know, white car clusters are a thing. Yes, they are. But it struck me that a number of the conversations we've had have come up, you know, whether I'm listening to Nicole Hannah Jones or Tana Hesse Coates or a whole bunch of people that I respect. And so I was like, are we the algorithm or are we just timely?

SPEAKER_01 21:44

You know, that's an interesting point. I hate to get philosophical because I already did the I'm telling you, LeBron.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

You actually sleeping now philosophical. No, you don't. That's a lie. Philosophy a lot. I love it a lot.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

You call yourself a mathematician, but really love your philosophy. Yes, I am.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Now I'm an old one and rusty. But, anyways, I remember at UCLA, you remember how you walk through the halls and they'd have all these flyers plastered on the thing for like conferences or seminars. So I went to one on the ether uh about talking about the planet, and there's a layer around the planet called the ether. So I was sitting there with all these old, middle-age, older white men like professors, and I'm just sitting in the back listening, and they're rambling about how there's a layer around the earth called the ether, and that all thoughts are electrical. So everyone's thoughts are in the ether, and then you can dial into any of these thoughts like you dial into a radio station. Like there's radio stations playing right now, but if you need a tuner and you dial it in, you can listen to country music, jazz, that frequency, R and B, that frequency. Yeah. And that, so all thoughts are in the ether, and people, if you know how to dial in, you can pull a thought down, then access it and use it. But they're all there. So the thoughts you have now go into the ether. So either you're gonna access and use them, or other people will act on them. So that's a a lot of explanation about how we see and hear things that we thought of already, and then we see them in actuality. So I just wanted to throw that out as well. But the ether now, I think, is the term we're using is algorithm.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

Yes. Oh, okay. Okay, it's the ether.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Well, it's it's been digitized and commodities. Digitized, yes, there you go. Yes. Mechanized. Right. But and I want to go down that road too here in a second, but since we're talking about the Germans who have a word for everything, zeitgeist. Right? Like what is what's in the air, what's and it's everything. It's the thoughts, it's the language, it's marketing, it's it's propaganda and all those different things.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

All of those things.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

I've told folks in the past, you know, I get it that my phone is sitting here, one, you know, I don't know, 32 inches from where I'm sitting and is paying attention to everything that I'm that we're saying right now.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

And so I get that I checked that box somewhere in the terms and conditions that allows it to do that. And so and so I understand that there is a digital mechanism in place that is tracking my likes and my purchases and how long I linger on an Instagram page and this and that. And so when I when an ad pops up saying, Oh, you're a man of this age who's you know, I've got a lot of surfing in my feed, I've got a lot of music in front of my feed. Uh, now thanks to you all, I got a lot of like really cool shit in my feet. But so I accept that because it makes mathematical sense. What trips me out is when I think about something and then it shows up. Like I never made a purchase and ever, it's like I thought about this and now it's in my feed, which tells me both there's the zeitgeist, the ether, the the the unseen thought cloud, but there's also the digital predictive models. I mean, LeBron, you talk about being a futurist. There are people whose whole job is to figure out all right, when you combine all these different elements of a person, here's probably what they're gonna think about next. That's what marketing is.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

So, oh yeah, so I got to give credit, because I always give credit where credit is due, that the Republican Party in MAGA are experts at creating creating the world that they imagine. See, what I learned in that seminar about the ether, yes, I also got introduced to think tanks. So I start joining and participating in think tanks. And people of color, we think about what am I doing next weekend? White people think about, hmm, what will this be world be like 300 years from now? So they go 300 years into the future, say how they want it to be, and then they work backwards by decades. And so they say, Oh, we need to do this in 1947 if we want this particular outcome in 2025. Because so they play the long game because they don't think about themselves, they're thinking about I want America to be white for my great-great-grandchildren. What can I do today to make sure America is white, controlled, and dominated or only three generations from now? So that's what they're doing. And we're thinking that they're doing something for today.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

No, I don't know. They're not. I don't know, man. I think it goes back to answering those people. Yeah. They're not doing it for now.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

But that's the project. Because you're 25.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Yeah, that's but project 2025 is is like 50, 60 years old.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

But what I'm saying is that's Project 2025. That's Steve Bannon sitting with the New York Times saying that there's a plan for Trump to have a third. It wasn't Trump. No. It was the candidate X, the white man. There you go. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

So Ron, so something's stirring up in me.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Yeah, go ahead. I'll just say this last part, I'll let you speak, John. Is that we are in their 200-year plan, we're this is you're seeing like year 50 or year 60 of the plan. Yeah. Is what we're experiencing. Yeah. But there's so many more layers. That's why they're like, look, our plan, it took so long for get our plan just to this point that we're not gonna let you stop because we put we've invested too much time, energy, and effort going through scenarios and planning out different um uh case studies of how people are going to act. Just think, they they realize, you know what? After we freed the slaves, they gave us the narrative to the South, but they control everything else. So we have to somehow study the Constitution with a fine-toothed comb and figure out how do we manipulate the constitution that we say we believe in. So it's that we gotta get the court, we gotta control the Supreme Court. So they do all these different scenarios and they run them out to see what would happen, the cause and effect relationships. And that's their plan. And it's so genius, and they've worked on it for so long that now they even give it to us. Here's our plan. And we still can't stop it because we're not organized and we didn't put in the time that they put in.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

And people just get upset about the here and now, so I'm gonna go to Mitch McConnell and him being the Senate majority leader and not allowing Mitch Garland to get a vote to become the Supreme Court Justice because, quote, it's an election year, and then in 2020, when uh Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, him allowing the vote on Amy Coney Barrett because that was Trump's appointee, even though he just said four years before, you can't do this during an election year. Yep. So manipulating the language around government. Oh, okay. Don't make me a conspiracy theorist. That's that's what I'm struggling with, LeBron.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

What I'm struggling with is I I have no problem imagining really smart people in think tanks doing, you know, let's gamify the let's game this whole thing out, you know, 300 years out and everything else. And but it doesn't square with me with human most human nature that even you've said, and we've talked about is just people are emotional, man. We're like most of what I see in the Trump campaign and like and and the masses that have basically said he's our savior because he's efficient is emotion. Like it so when you're when you talk about white people being this way, I get a little defensive. I'm like, yes, most white people I know are just like, I I'll I would like to stay in charge. This I like that like I when I when I was in London, is winning. LeBron is your team. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, so I do you see this as like a very small percentage of people who are pulling the strings, like kind of wizard of oz behind the curtain kind of thing, or yeah, like and so that's to me the complex part is that the problem, in my opinion, with America is white supremacy and racism.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

But I don't believe the majority of white people are that way. I think it's a a small percentage, maybe 15-20%, but that 15 or 20% carry all the power. So you have a lot of good white people, but they don't have any power. Or they're not willing to exercise it. So I'm like, where's my good white people from the Civil War? Where are they at? When y'all gonna stand up? They killed the white people. Because right now, y'all sit y'all sitting back, letting the South do it again. I'm like, wait a minute, where do my good white people go? Because in the history books, the good white people came in, defeated the bad white people, and then said, okay, we'll go from here. But things haven't got to the point where good white people are uncomfortable. So maybe when the stock market crashes or whatever white people hold dear, when that happens, then they'll be like, okay, it's time to go fight our white brothers and sisters again, like we did.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Well, like when the farmers almost lost all their soy market because China said we're not buying any of your soy. I'll tell you where the good white that's the shit that's gonna tip.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

Yeah, but I'll tell you where the good white people are. Where they're at they're at the no king's marches.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Ooh. Oh I saw that. You sneaky little menu.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

They're at the no king's marches. Because because that's what social activism is today. That's what protest is today. That's like I hit I hit like on it, and then I emailed my friends, and then we went out with banners, and we said, no, king, that's what the constitution was about, and then they went home to John's point.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

So then well, then tell me this part, because we had other marches and protests that were primarily with people of color, but with no kings, there were like almost no people of color. It was like all white people. So what was the issue they had that made us stay home? Or why did we stay home and let white people have their own no kings days?

SPEAKER_03 32:31

Because I believe in the Constitution and I voted for Kamala, and so I didn't have to fucking find out. I knew he was gonna do this. So why am I putting my body on the line? Why am I going out here and I don't know what the police are gonna do if they're not the problem. Right? The Kuhn congregation law says if there's more than four black people in a space, oh I'm sorry, that was the vagrancy laws. Oh, I'm sorry, that was conflict leasing. Oh, I'm sorry, that was all the white people who were standing underneath the charred black corpse of a black man being lynched. Oh, I'm sorry, this is America. This is America, this is America, this is America. That's a problem. It doesn't have to be all white people, obviously it's not, yeah, right. But if a small group of white people are planning this and they're utilizing the emotional insecurities, there you go. So he talks about things in a certain way. But that's why Steve Bannon can sit there, you know. And for those who haven't, John brought it up earlier. But Steve Bannon literally gave an interview to the New York Times and said Trump is going to be elected in 2028. And he's using elected uh in a very generous way, because if we're all voting at the end of this four years, there are too many people who are like, nah, five. But that's if we all get to vote, which is voter ID laws, which is redistricting, which is who can we can we go back?

SPEAKER_00 34:19

Let's do go ahead, LeBron. It sounds like you got a question. No, I was gonna ask you a question, but no, go ahead, John. Finish it. Go back. No, because this is kind of a change of subject. It but I'll I'll hold on to it.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

I love you, but you do this way too much. Ask your fing question, John.

SPEAKER_00 34:32

Yeah, you do. It's part of my my OCD where there's a thought I wanted to land before I interrupt it, you know. Um so that's cool. That's what writing things down is for. There you go. You said Antonio, you said Nazi posters. I want to give some context to folks. So I I think what you're referring to, I saw it was there is propaganda out there put out by I think the Republican Party or the United States Department of Labor.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

It's by the federal government. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

Which is controlled by the Republican Party. Okay. And when you look at the the aesthetic of the art, these are these are posters that show it's all white people, and it's basically the the poster itself said something about it's in the spirit of make America great again, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:20

It's it's do you want your country back, it's keeping an American job for Americans. And the only Americans that they show are white Americans.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

When you compare it, and that's probably one of the posts you saw to Nazi propaganda posters from the late 1930s. Yeah, it's the even it's not just that it's white on the Nazis and white on the twin 2025 Department of, what'd you say, Department of Labor?

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

Okay. It's not just that they all happen to be white, although that's obviously the most important thing, but it's also the style choice. Like there were choices made. When you create a poster, you're going, what's the aesthetic? Is it kind of angular? Is it cartoonish? Is it Marvel superhero? Is it realism? You know, so you gotta make they made a choice.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

Oh, but it's not that they just happen to be white, it's they're defining Americans in a visual way. And you said this when we talked about Captain America straight from Central Casting. And what does that mean? Right? Is that American equals white, real American equals white, and proud of it, and we're going to keep America for Americans. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

So when you say Nazi posters by the current administration or current regime, that's the context in the bodies, a large number of people made a choice to represent America with white people in a style reminiscent of late 1930s German art. So if art reflects life, life. Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Now, help me figure this one out. I understand how they take the Hitler playbook and they say, okay, hmm, this worked really well. Let's run it back and just update it. Hitler playbook 2.0. But now you have to, you talked about emotions, John. Now imagine just if we can have this quick little think tank session. How can we take over the country? Well, if we control people's emotions, so we make the flag, the most patriotic thing, a hate symbol. Now we have the American flag as a hate symbol representing MAGA because they've co-opted the flag. And they co-opted Christianity. Now you got black people crying over Charlie Kirk being killed because they said he was a good Christian. So, like, we can take Christianity and Jesus, we take the flag, and not only are we using the Nazi playbook, but we're on the same team as the Jews, who the playbook was used against. You put all those elements together, you can't lose. How do you fight that?

SPEAKER_03 38:12

Obviously, Civil War.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

John, get your white people ready. Tell us how you're gonna do it, John.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

First call is 2A in LA. We know where we're going. We know exactly where we he said just bring food. Bring food and drinks. Bring food. He's got some firearms. Popeyes and bullets.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

Yo, so that whole yeah, I appreciate you. Uh I have things to think about. But I I was really starting with the algorithm and us being the algorithm and things finding you when they need you. And this is just another example, right? So um LeBron, you introducing that thought process about long-range thinking, right? Sends me back to Newt Gingrich in 1994 and the contract with America. It sends me back to Lee Atwater in 1971, talking about the Southern strategy. And all of these are Republican uh operatives who are utilizing whatever power they have in government to advance, they wouldn't call it a white nationalist agenda, white nationalist agenda, even though Lee Atwater, before he died of brain cancer, admitted that, yeah, we were talking to racists. We were dog whistling to racists. When we talked about law and order, we were very purposefully showing black folks being arrested as criminals uh for being poor. And um so that 50-year plan, right? We're 54 is coming to fruition as we look at it and this conversation about having a long-term plan. What is it you want for America? Like, I have a hard time when people say, What do you want for your birthday? And I'm not but you you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Like good bourbon, people, just get him good bourbon. That's gonna be fine. See? Cheers. Cheers. You're you're very easy to shop for.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

Uncle nearest, if you're asking for that. Um but it's it really is one of those things where you talk about like that long-term plan, right? I I sort of live in optimism or the privilege of detachment in the sense that I know a lot of these things are happening, but what is it I'm doing, or what is it I can do to impede their facilitation? And I don't know what that is. You know, sitting with you all once every couple of weeks is not action, but neither are the no kings marches. Like I went out to one because we happen to be at a family gathering on a Sunday, and then we were like, oh, there's one in an hour. Ah, we can go around a corner, we go to Kinkko's, we can make a sign, we can stand out here. Yay, everybody. What the f is that doing? Not much.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

I understand the weariness, the road weariness of it all, and the feeling of of irrelevance is the wrong word. The feeling of futility. I understand that, but to be overly optimistic, I I keep coming back to the word you use a lot, LeBron, which is proximity, and it keeps coming up. Talk about the Ether and Zeitgeist, this word comes up over and over. It came it today. The work that I'm doing with a corporation that I'm looking at their headquarters right here in Dallas, and in one of the many presentations that we were helping them prepare for today, one of them was talking about the importance of proximity, and they were talking about how it was in a large organization how the people who are doing the hard work on the front lines can't they and the folks who are kind of ivory tower-ish, they got to stay close so that they can understand the plight of what's happening and make good decisions from a leadership perspective. And you know, when when we have conversations, I really think that we're creating more proximity. I really think we're showing and and telling stories that are getting people to think differently. So I don't know if I'm trying to give you a pep talk, Antonio, because like I I get that the protest is the protest is a thing that it it's very dramatic and it's very public, and so it's magnified. It's like it's exact it's an exaggerated sense of accomplishment. But at least you're doing something, at least you're saying something.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

So, John, I'm curious, and I want Antonio to answer as well, and I will too. What is your level of fear, anxiety, and worry about the world you live in? Because all three of us live in different worlds. Yeah. Do we I don't yes? Do we live in we live in the same world, we have three different experiences, yeah, especially according to the law.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

I I'm becoming increasingly disturbed and concerned. I will say that the Steve Bannon thing for some reason just hit a side of me where I went, Oh, they're saying it m out loud even more now. Like we are going to do this. Whereas before there was a veneer of deceit. I've never heard of Project 2025. I mean, I never believed Trump when he said he'd never heard of Trump. I was like, yeah. The only part of that that was credible to me was he doesn't read. So he could stand behind the idea of like, never seen it, never read it. I believe that. I don't believe you've never heard of it. I don't believe you that people have never told you about it, but I also believe that you're going to say whatever's needed in the moment. So coming back to how do I feel, it it feels a little like close to tipping point kind of thing, where I confess to you all before where I didn't see that Trump was going to do the ice stuff that he was doing. And you all and a former guest Louis Vett was like, what? How did you not, you know, and that was that's my white privilege going, they're not gonna do that. And you're all like, oh no, they're gonna do that. So I I think it's a little bit of the delayed reaction. That and that's even the No Kings protest. Like, why are white people suddenly doing this? It's like you all have been like, yeah, uh-huh. We haven't wanted kings for a long time, so welcome to the club. Welcome so far. I'm genuinely disturbed by the mix of church, religion, America, and Trump. Because once it's God, you can excuse anything. You can say it's God's will, we can murder, we can, and there, and there are more. And when Steve Bannon said Trump is a was a mechanism of the divine or a vehicle of the divine, that that's that you're on your way to some bad places, if that's where we're coming from. I really feel that way.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Antonio, you're the historian, so I need to I need you to give us some context, Antonio.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Please save us. I just wanted to know what that look on his face was. Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

We've had more than one conversation about are we leaving? Yes, we have. Which is a privileged conversation to say the least. And there's a part of it where I constantly see on social media people holding up signs saying, if you ever wondered what you would do during the civil rights movement, what are you doing now? Heavy. Yep, heavy. And all of us, and when I say all of us, I mean all of us are behaving as if someone else is going to come and solve the problem, as if someone else is going to stop me from having to risk. When Patrick Henry said, give me liberty or give me death, he was simply being honest. And yet I walk around going, I wish a mother would. I have yet to see in the enclave in which I reside ice. But I also know that I am a numerical minority, even if I'm in the global majority, in the enclave in which I reside. And I very purposely wear the t-shirts that I wear on camera when I'm walking the dogs, perhaps to start a conversation, perhaps to inflame tensions, perhaps to simply say, I am here. I haven't met the fear yet that I know other people do feel on a daily basis. And yet I'm fear adjacent, adjacent being one of my favorite words, very obviously. Obviously. It's a good one. And I know I'm threat adjacent because there are too many people close to me that are close to the edge of the knife, that are close to the precipice. And I don't know what is going to happen. And I haven't planned for what is going to happen. And I haven't planned to make things happen. Although when we leave here, that'll probably be one of the things I think about or write about at 7.15 on a Saturday. No doubt.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

After that alarm goes off. Yeah. What about you, LeBron? I love this conversation so much because it just reminds me that the three of us, none of us are Americans. It's just another reminder. We perpetrate and we were maybe born here, but we're not true Americans. The true Americans, unfortunately, are the MAGA Republicans. Anyone who's willing to fight, kill, lie, still for their country, those are Americans. People who fight for their country. We ain't fighting for this country. Because it's not that important to us. But it is important to them. So they got the energy for it because they really believe this is their country. It's not about what's true, it's who's got a stronger belief. Because we don't believe we're Americans. If we believed we were Americans, we'd be out there doing something. But we don't believe we're Americans. We're like American adjacent.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Antonio, do you think he said he set that whole thing up just so he could say that? Just so he can say American adjacent?

SPEAKER_03 49:43

Uh I think one of the dangers of being uh Harvard graduate.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

There we go. Adjacent.

SPEAKER_03 49:53

Or Malcolm X Squared is that there are many trains running all the time. And when they come together, it's not an explosion, it's an exposition. And it's simply laid out for the rest of us to see.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

Just witness. Just bear witness to what is the miracle of the James brain.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

When I go back and I listen to this whole conversation, all of it, all of it from the very beginning until just now is going to be like that train clack, clack, clacking of tracks on a roller coaster. He was like, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 50:39

Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Brilliant embodied. Oh, LeBron, that's hard for me to hear, man. It's hard for me to hear that we're not American because you go back. I know there's a tongue-in-cheek part of what you're saying. The MAGA people who are true Americans in the way that you described are fighting for the symbols that they love. They're fighting for the flag and fighting for the guns and the you know what they perceive to be American. And I'm like, I still, there's a part of me that wants to get defensive against what you said in this ignoble. We are that's what I need you to do. I need you to say it. Not thinking, John. Yeah. I need you to say it. But like you, but you are the true American. Antonio is. I am. E Plurbus Unum, like from the many one. That's what that's the entire That's how it should be. Who's right?

SPEAKER_03 51:34

The people who believe what is written, or the people who believe what the founders did. And what I hear from the world.

SPEAKER_00 51:42

Action shows priority. Isn't that a tat tattoo of someone?

SPEAKER_03 51:46

Action expresses priority. Action expresses priority. But my point is more like it's that's the divide, right? It's the group of people who believe what they think was the founder's intent, which is white supremacy, right? Which is white nationalism, which is a Christian nation, and the people who believe in what the founders wrote, which is e-pluribissunum, which is a non-uh uh religious government, which is one person, one vote. And so those two things are coming to a head, right? And I would just echo LeBron's point. I don't know. I was tongue in cheek when I said the obvious civil war, but that is the obvious difference. One of these motherfuckers a little while ago said, oh, this is gonna be a non-bloody revolution if the left allows it to be so. Meaning if we shut up and go away. And so, you know, Steve Bannon saying that is not a surprise, it's an admission. And and I think LeBron's right, as frightening as that is, not that you're right, but your conclusion in the sense that if we don't care enough about the democracy to take actions to save it, and one of the notes that I wrote is Is it really doing something to go out to a protest? If we look back at the civil rights movement, those people were marching and their protest was against something, their protest wasn't standing on the corner with signs.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Right. Right, John It culminated in a boycott, in a bus boycott.

SPEAKER_03 53:51

Well, no, that was an action. They were driving each other two places, they were walking two places, they were not spending their money on Amazon. I'm sorry, they were not spending their money on buses in Montgomery. Woohoo! But John Lewis going across the Edmund Pettus Bridge was walking to demonstrate the fact that he was not allowed to walk.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:16

And so there protest is not saying I don't like this. Protest is putting your body in the way.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

And that's a tougher, man.

SPEAKER_03 54:33

That's doing something. And if it's important enough to you to do something, then you'll do it. But again, to LeBron's point, and kind of to what I was saying is when I say we've had conversations about leaving. Because it's not important enough.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

That's what that's why we're not Americans. And you know where I got this from? The genesis of this thought is I listened to Gavin Newsome on All the Smoke. You gotta listen to All the Smoke podcast. He was on All the Smoke? Yes, with Gavin Newsom. It is the dopest one. I am such look, John. I hate to say this, John. You used to be my favorite white man. Gavin Newsome is my motherfucking.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

Oh, is that the one where he said this is anti-black, period. Let's put this shit down.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Yeah, because let me tell you what Gavin said. He said, look, the problem with the Democratic Party is this people follow strength. They don't follow what's right. They're like the Republicans, they are strong in their voice and their actions. They say what they're gonna do and they do it. Democrats are some weak punk ass people. Because Democrats, they don't they don't take a position and everyone can be alright. He said, people, people will follow a strong leader who's wrong, but never follow a weak a weak leader who's right. And he said that's the Democratic Party's problem. We're weak. We're just a bunch of punk ass.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

See, and what I heard is right. But here's I heard that, yeah. And here's here's the here's my only challenge to it. Yeah. Is and and it came up earlier when we were talking about having a conscience by acknowledging other people's experience is how do you project strength when you are mature enough or capable of holding two trains of thought at the same time? Right? It's why JD Vance is saying that he hopes his wife, who was Hindu when he met her, Hindu when he courted her, Hindu when they he proposed to her, Hindu when she said yes, Hindu when she laid underneath him or got on top. I don't know how they do, but had his children. Yep. Well, but there's it's important here because now he's found success in whiteness, which is why he is holding up on Erica Kirk, and why she is projecting femininity as an emotional shield for all of this bullshit that the Trump regime is doing. Like Usha is sitting out there, just like Clarence Thomas, just like Candace Owens. All these people who are caping for white supremacy.

SPEAKER_01 57:41

Don't forget about Stephen A. Smith. That coonin as. He coonin. You know what? White people are so smart. They're like, you know what? Give a nigga $100 million and he will kill his whole race for you. Because something about $100 million, as if you need $100 million. I need $100. I need a hundred million.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

I want five of it.

SPEAKER_03 58:06

You grab your phone, let's get a key.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Like I said, everybody's got a price. I hope not. Apparently, $100 million is.

SPEAKER_03 58:20

If you do $112 trillion, you'll have to be singing and dancing.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

I sure would. All the way back to the motherland.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

And and he wouldn't ask if it came with compound interest. I gotta go. Thank you. I gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 58:31

Y'all can keep the change. Thank you for joining us on Three for the Founders.

SPEAKER_00 58:38

Whatever the f this was.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

This was how we're sending out applications for producers to already have two producers.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

Yeah, we need some more questions.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

I mean, you really got an opportunity to join us in the conversations that we had. Yes, yes, yes. There was no topic per se.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

We tried. Right? We had a concept of a plan.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

Sure. But we got to spend some time together. Yes. We got to talk. We got to think. LeBron done convinced us that we're not Americans.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Or he pissed me off because now I feel defensive, because yes, the yes, I am. Yes, you are. But I'm really pissed off that I'm his second favorite white person now? I'll give it up to Gavin, though. He's he's having a moment.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

But you let us, and you said that this was going to take 1,500 more episodes to my favorite question. What does it mean to be American? And that's a different answer for every person, the three of us on this screen, you listening to it. But I think more than ever, it's important that we all be able to answer it cogently, that we all be able to answer it honestly. And that we all be able to answer it comfortably. Because if you don't know what it means to be American, then you're gonna be looking for houses in Zimbabwe just like me.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

There you go. And I'll just as one caveat to that, Antonio.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:29

Go ahead. What, LeBron? No, not like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

Zimbabwe for you, Bali for me. Go ahead. Keep the button. Because that button is nice. I want to go to Bali.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:36

I've never been to Bali. Can I be a traveler?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:38

Or am I bringing a grand traveler in Bali? And I'll show you what a 10-foot wave really looks like.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

LeBron, what do you want to say?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

Okay. I just wanted to say whatever your definition is of being an American, make sure you do it with a group of other people to make it a reality. Because if we all have individual meanings of what it means to be American, ours won't come to fruition. Yeah. Left on Founders. Left on Founders. We out. Thank you for joining us. Still got questions? Other things you want to say? Well, hit us up at threeforthefounders.com on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, or TikTok. Or send us a text through Buzz Sprout. Remember to like and subscribe wherever you get your podcast and share the pod with someone you think can benefit from it or add to the conversation. Till the next time, Left on Founders. We out.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:40

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