When You Didn't See Racism Coming! - Ep. 47

What if the most dangerous racism isn't the kind that screams at you — but the kind that quietly shows up in your mortgage, your paycheck, and the words coming out of your own mouth?

When you can trace a straight line from a cotton field to a Wall Street bond prospectus, the question isn't whether systemic racism exists — it's whether you're ready to see it everywhere it's been hiding.

Jon, Lybroan, and Antonio are going there, and they're not coming back the same — are you?

Three for the Founders pulls back the curtain on the financial machinery that tested modern banking on the bodies of enslaved people, the Hollywood erasure that makes you invisible in stories set in your own city, and the tipping culture that was never designed to pay you fairly in the first place. 

Thanks for joining us. Still got questions? Other things to say? Hit us up at Three for the Founders on Instagram, Facebook, or  YouTube and let us know. Til the next time...left on Founders...we out! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

So LB, you said you had a a 90 second intro, and I'm I'm very actually excited about it.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Well, let me go get my popcorn, dude. Hold up. Get your popcorn, man.

SPEAKER_04 0:08

I would love to hear this.

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Yeah, it's gonna be like um like Denzel Washington playing Malcolm X, and I just hope the battery John, are the batteries charged on this? Yeah, but hold up, hold up before you start, dude. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

I gotta give you some background music. Hold on. I don't know what you need.

SPEAKER_04 0:27

Yeah, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

I was born in the back seat of a chip. My mama hurt. But my dad was ready.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

We're brothers. We're happy and we're clean and we're colored.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Alright, cut and print. Beautiful guys. I don't like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Welcome to Three for the Founders, where brotherhood meets the breakdown. We've been having these conversations for years, and now you are invited to join us. We'll say the things you are afraid to say and ask the questions you've always wanted to ask. Three Brothers, all truth, no filters. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

Welcome to episode 47, The Racism You Didn't See Coming, where John, LeBron, and I dive into what it really means to crack the whip. How you shouldn't go on a picnic. Why don't things from the peanut gallery is racist. And maybe, just maybe, we'll talk about how the Statue of Liberty was really about the emancipation of black people and not about welcoming immigrants at all. Thanks a lot, Emma Lazarus. Let's paint over some more black history on this episode of Three for the Founders.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Dude, you be killing the man. Dude, so I watch LeBron's face when you're doing this, Antonio. He looks like the groom when the bride first appears. He's just like, oh, look at him go. Look at him. He's doing it. I can't believe it's a good idea. He's like a beautiful mind.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

He's like, there it goes. That's a beautiful. Just watch it. Just watch it, baby. I'm like, is he gonna get that part? Shit, he got it. Is he gonna remember this part? Shit, he did that part too.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

He did that too. He said stuff that I didn't think we said. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

He said, no, no. Oh man. And I got this new thing now, like, because when I play golf, I bet the people I'm golfing with. And so now I figure out how to throw them off. Because every time they hit a good shot, they're like, thank God, thank you, Jesus. And then whenever I hit a ball and chip and knock it in the sand, I'm like, f you God. F you Jesus, you punk ass bitch. And they're like, dude, they do not even know, like, they don't even say nothing to me, but you can see they don't know what to do with it. They don't know what to do with it.

SPEAKER_04 3:06

That's the part. Like, I would just ask you, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Getting in your head. Getting in your head. But look, why can you like golf is such a random sport? If you hit something that's look, it's not God. Like, why are you thinking God? You think God is watching you play golf? And if you want, why would he make you miss him and kids?

SPEAKER_00 3:28

God's like, hold on, peace and food hunger and world. Y'all, I'll get back to you. LeBron's LeBron's chipping up on the 11th. I need to hold up. Yeah, there we go. No, he didn't even thank, he didn't even thank me. Can you believe the f he's scoring over a hundred today?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Woo.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

I mean, that's what they think's happening.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

It's like you know that's it blows my mind, dude. It blows my mind.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

Everybody is a legend in their own mind. Everybody thinks God being omnipotent and omniscient means that God is worried about their golf game.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

I had a preacher one time that I thought he broke it down the best. He's like, you know, if if your team is on the free throw line, then everybody's praying for you to make to make that shot. But but don't you realize everyone on the other team is praying for you to not make that shot? And one of you is gonna have your prayer answered. So and then everyone goes home and whatever.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

And then the Knicks went in five. Congratulations, congratulations.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

New York Knickerbockers.

SPEAKER_04 4:39

New York doing it. You gonna make me bleep that now? The Knickerbockers? That's a name.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Knicks is just short for Knickerbockers.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

That's right. Oh, I I it sounded like a hard R. I'm sorry. It's my bad. Oh my god. I thought that was another name for the clan, the Knickerbockers.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

That's boppers. That's boppers.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Oh, that's the P and a for the P G bopping them. And a hard R. Antonio, can you get a shirt, please, that says God is right 50% of the time?

SPEAKER_04 5:13

No.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

God answers two for my prayers.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

You egotistical bastards at the bottom.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Straight up, man. Oh, you know. And when I have that conversation, it's a mom made me stop having those conversations with people. She goes, LeBron, leave them alone. Leave them alone, LeBron. Because I why? What do you why? I'm like, why? I'm like, they're saying this stuff. I'm like, where's the rationale? Like, where's the logic? It's not logical.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Right. Hey, speaking of this, lawman Bass Reeves, he's he's with you, LeBron. I mean, he that's kind of one of the themes of the whole show. Is he taking people throwing their faith in him, and he's like, he he brings it, he brings it back the way you would bring it back, basically. Yes, basically. He starts busting the rationale and stuff. Yeah, dude, that show's good, man. It is complex. Very story is complex.

SPEAKER_04 6:07

You know what I did watch? Uh, The History of Violence with Vigo Mortensen.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Oh, yeah?

SPEAKER_04 6:14

I never heard of this one. It's uh it's a movie from like 2005. It's a pretty good movie. And my only qualm was well, let me tell you so he Vigo Mortensen is this dude. He's got a wife and kids, he owns a diner. There's some psychopaths, they come and try to rob the diner. Boom, boom, boom. He shoots them and is a hero. He saves everybody in the diner. So his name is all over the news, and then some shady mafia people show up, and you're like, is he the guy they're looking for? And he's hiding, or are they mistaken? And then it rolls from there, right? You could write the rest of this in your sleep. Anyway, so they live in Podunk someplace. It's a very nice town, according to the sheriff. And then he drives back to see some. I guess I am gonna ruin the movie.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

He drives back to see the mob guys, right?

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Later in the movie. There is not a person of color in the movie. It is the Make America Great Again wet dream. Like, it's just white folk. And I know that they weren't when they made the movie, they weren't thinking about let's make it just white people. They simply weren't thinking that there was anybody else in any story in the United States. And it struck me, I was like, so that was a pretty good movie. I gotta give it like a three, three and a quarter, but I can't give it a four, I can't give it a three and a half, because you know, we exist. And like when I say not a person of color, nobody else in the town, nobody else when he drives to Philly. To Philly.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

Two and a half. Nobody else when he pulls up, nobody else when he handles the business, nobody else when he drives, not not a gas station attendant, not a McDonald's worker, who cleaned up.

SPEAKER_03 8:19

Nobody.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

His wife. Anyway, it's a pretty good movie. And Vivo Mortensen's a G. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

But Yes, he is.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

There was nobody, nobody in the movie, and I went.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

What what year what era did it take place in?

SPEAKER_04 8:36

I don't know. Like contemporary. It came out in 2005? I mean, it came out in 2005, and he's hiding from the mob.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

Oh my god. And he goes to Philly.

SPEAKER_04 8:47

It's all white people. But his older brother is William Hurt.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 8:53

Like, like it's not even like they went ethnic Italian. They were like, we're whitebred mobsters. Damn.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

I noticed that. I was staying when I was in Dallas a couple weeks ago, I was staying in this Hyatt. And it was pretty a pretty nice hotel. And inside the elevator, they had a they had like an LED screen that was advertising their hotel with all these luxurious, like luxurious little vignettes. And like it's centered on this one woman and she's wearing a beautiful dress. And then she walks into the spa and she's getting massaged, and then she walks to the rooftop bar, and and her and her like ridiculously good-looking man are looking over, you know, the other stuff. And dude, the same thing. I was like, a couple times I was like, I wonder if this is an advertisement for like Hyatt in Amsterdam or something. Because like everybody looks very like you know, that that area of the world. And then I was on and I was in the elevator so many times because I was there for four days and I was on a high floor, and I just I watched the whole thing and I'm like, huh. Hmm. Same same thing you recognize. I was like, I haven't seen anything but white people in this whole ad. And I was like, nah, that can't be right. That can't be right. Nah. Then I go up it again and I'm like, I'm watching the whole thing this time. Like at the floor.

SPEAKER_04 10:03

Right now you're looking in corners, like maybe some.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Nobody, dude. Not a spa attendant. Not like and it wasn't for Antonin. This is for Dallas, Hyatt Regency something. Dude, Dallas, Texas, bro. There you go. Even the credits weren't white.

unknown 10:19

Damn.

SPEAKER_04 10:21

But you know what tripped me out? Um, I don't I asked the question should we be on Truth Social? And should we be going behind the white sheet to find out what's being said? Donald Trump a week ago posted a picture of a white family, mom and dad, and I think a little girl, uh sitting next to a car in a subdivision with their house behind them, and the text of it said billions of dollars have been spent to tell you that this is evil. It's not.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Oh my god, this is where he's putting his energy.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

Well, yeah, and you know, and so like this whole advertisement, this whole history of violence, this whole world where white people exist is the soft cell of white supremacy. And it is this idea that you know, we're just white. We're just I'm just I'm just white. I'm just white. And I I'm going about my business, and why do all you other people keep trying to jump into my business? As if it's not other people just trying to live their lives without the violence that accompanies it. And so uh, you know, like I said, I had to give it a 3.25, but it all ties together. This Make America Great, this America 250, this erasure of Chappie James from the Pentagon and Department of Defense. It's all actively white supremacists, even when they don't have the guts to say that's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah. Chappie James, I am unfamiliar.

SPEAKER_04 12:13

Uh Chappie James is a four-star general. I don't know if he's the first black four-star general, but he's a pilot, came up through Vietnam. And so his picture was up in the Department of Defense. And I'm not doing him justice or his career justice. Like they just took his picture down for no reason. The same way they they took Jackie Robinson off the Department Department of Defense website, the same way they're scrubbing all of the convictions of people from January 6th. Like we're watching in real time the rewriting of history. And as a historian, it's ridiculously easy for them to take things down. And unless we are busy putting things up, or to quote LeBron, the good white folk are starting to fight. You're going to have textbooks that actually say Afghanistan were unwilling immigrants.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Is that language being floated out there for real? Unwilling immigrants? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Oh, that's that's 15 years ago in Texas, speaking of Dallas, in Texas textbooks. That's not even that's not even now.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah, it calls slaves unwilling immigrants and the most understated. Oh my god. The most understated edit of all time.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

Unwilling immigrants, yeah. This is the racism you didn't see coming. And it's right in your face. That's what they're gonna say. We didn't see this coming. Uh, you didn't? How could you not see it? Unless, of course, it benefits you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

And interesting, we mentioned it the other day, and you were like, Hey, you have Ryan Gosling. And I was like, I didn't even know Ryan Gosling was in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Right?

SPEAKER_04 14:08

I mean, I did, but I think that wasn't what caught my eye. Right. But there's a scene in there where they the the players, right? They're starting to bond and whatever, and they're walking through downtown, whatever town it is in Virginia, and the white player from California, they call him Sunshine, is like, oh, let's go in here, you know, let's let's surprise and whatever. Yes. And he's like, they don't want our kind in there, right? So segregation is over, but the black players are like, we don't want to go.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Uh no, man. We shouldn't go.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

He's like, nah, I got you. We we're good, we're good. So they go in, and then the racist owner's like, we don't want them in here. Matter of fact, we don't want you in here.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Like, yeah, that's also for you, hippie boy. And they walk out, right?

SPEAKER_04 14:58

And they walk, but I didn't know. He's like, You didn't want to know. I told you, dude.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. There it is. I think that's the dude I identify the most with in that movie. Oh shit. I remember because the whole plot line, like you said, was he's from California. So he's like, Oh, that and he said something like that's in the past, man. Like, as if because he wasn't aware, yeah, and he wasn't paying attention. And I mean, talk about white privilege. His whole thing is like, no, you'll be you'll be fine. I got you with me. I got you, I got you. Like dismissing their whole narrative, and then it just came and smacked him in the face. And yeah, you said you don't want to know.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

He didn't want to know.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

I told you. Oh, and that that picture, I didn't know about that picture that Trump posted. And I'm just like, the idea that he's he's so defensive when you've been in power and you've had you've had the the authority and you've had the privilege, then inconvenience feels like persecution. You know, just being inconvenience, just be and and that's where like billions of dollars have been spent to to convince you this is evil. Who's calling that evil? Like, seriously, who there's nobody spending billions of dollars. That's what I want to know.

SPEAKER_04 16:08

Yeah, so this is where he wraps into, right? And we talked about Justin Jones and Justin uh Peterson and how they got kicked out and the Democrats, like there were some white Democrats in the Texas, Tennessee legislature who were kicked out, right? It's not simply black folk, it's anybody who is black adjacent, it's anybody who is not actively promoting white supremacy, right? So he's not defensive with that post, he's offensive with that post. He's putting that out there for the detached white folk, and John has been trying to help them for a long time. Thank you, John. Right? But he is trying to reach out and play on the simple emotions of people feeling attacked. He's creating a fear in order to get you on his side, right? Not everybody who voted for the case. Exactly. Not everybody who voted for Donald Trump is racist, but racism isn't a deal breaker. You didn't want to know. Three and a quarter stars on Legends.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Bud, remember the Titans? Five out of five, baby.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

Yes, that's pretty good. That one is right up there.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

I remember Jake was three years old, and I remember showing it to him and him saying he loved the movie. My kids all have seen it so many times. And that was when with we had the the first of our cars that had a DVD player inside was our Chevy Tower, our 2004. But it was aftermarket, dude. Someone they they put that thing and like they mounted it underneath the seat behind the passenger seat, and I had to like go under there and like physically put the DVD in and everything. And hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 17:51

I can't find the slot.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

That's exactly what it was like, dude. And then they put these tiny screens in the back of the you know, the passenger seat, the driver's seat. And the kids had to put these headphones on. Anyway, so the kids watched that a bunch of times on our long trips from Northern Cal to SoCal back in the day. And I remember asking Jake, like, what's your favorite part of Remember the Titans? After a couple years, and he's seen a couple times. He's like, I don't remember. I think he liked the you know, who's your daddy scene? Like he really liked that one. Like, what's your least one? He goes, I don't like it when the boys kiss.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

I mean, because there was no consent?

SPEAKER_00 18:22

There was no kiss.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

Kissed him with no consent.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

And he didn't actually kiss him, he was like pretending he was about to, right?

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Oh no, he did kiss him.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Oh, that's right, he did. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 18:30

With no consent. Like Gary Berthier got got smacked. He he kissed me.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Remember when Garr when Berthier learned what a your mama joke was?

SPEAKER_04 18:43

It was like with because that's a your mama joke.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

That was a your mama joke. That was good.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

Yeah. Good movie. Um yeah, so I'm teaching that one. And that is say 475. I'm a little stingy. I'm a little stingy. Wow, significantly better than history of violence. History of violence. Although, you know, if centers taught us anything, if I watched it on the plane coming back this week last week.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

Yeah, you did. If centers taught us anything, right? You didn't know there were Chinese people in Mississippi Delta.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

That I surely didn't know.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

And yet they play a prominent role. And if you go back, Ryan Kugler is the genius, right? Because he did his research and he is putting into place real people and real things, which is why part of why it's such a powerful movie. In the Remember the Titans, there are black people and there are white people. As if that's a binary. And while those may be the extremes, there are no other folks, right? Even Louis Lassock, who shows up when the black players are in the mood, the first meeting.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

Big old Louis Lassick.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

Navy Navy family from Bayonne. Somebody said football, and I came running.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

That's right. But 300 something pounds of them. Yeah, Louis.

SPEAKER_04 20:01

Yeah. So, you know, even that has places to go, and I don't need it to be part of the story. I simply need it to be acknowledged.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

I don't need the the family of color, the woman of color, the man of color to be important in that ad that you're watching, although those are choices that we all make. I need them to exist. I didn't need Vigo Mortensen to be married to a black woman and have some mixed babies. I needed people who worked in his diner or customers who ate in his diner to be people of color. This non-existence of people of color is just part of the soft sell of white supremacy, and there are people who are doing it who don't even know they're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah. Yeah, because at some point you can just do the math, LeBron, and go in 2000, whatever this movie was filmed, and you're going into Phil into Philadelphia, and you've got an entire film crew whose job is that you know they do continuity, they do you know accuracy for the demographic of that area. Like they did a terrible job conveying actual reality mathematically. Like, what were the percentage of people in that neighborhood you're driving through that I guarantee you it was a 100% Caucasian? I guarantee you. I guarantee you. The very least, as Antonio wrestles with his headphones. Are they the plugins or the batteries?

SPEAKER_04 21:21

I don't know, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

The battery.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

They try the batteries.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

It's it's the battery.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:28

That's it. Y'all remember True Lies?

SPEAKER_02 21:32

I do. It sounds familiar. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_04 21:35

Uh Jamie Lee Curtis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Danny DeVito.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Oh, yes, I remember that one. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 21:40

And the Iranians were the bad guys. So that feels, you know, current.

unknown 21:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

Um, oh yeah, no, that's the scene where the guy is it's a camcorder, and he's filming the the leader of the terrorists, and the dude is like hitting this thing, like, we're gonna destroy it. And the bad. He starts flashing. He's like, but the ditties. But that's one of Dave's favorite scenes in MED everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

But the ditties. Yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing funnier than like someone has got all this wind in their cells about something they're serious, and like it's like this is sacred, and this is like it's like, hey, buddy, uh, we're running out of tape. Uh like the absurdity of those two things coming together.

SPEAKER_04 22:28

You know that happened on uh on Malcolm X. Have we had this conversation already?

SPEAKER_00 22:33

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Denzel was in his bag. It was one of the big um big uh temple scenes where he's preaching, and you know, we didn't land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rocky.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Plymouth Rock landed on us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Who told you to hate yourself? Who did it? And he blew past the script. Like he was just in, he was preaching. And they went like 15 minutes over, and everybody's just filming. And then Spike had to go, uh D, we ran out of tape. Like that's what made them cut the scene was they ran out of tape.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Unbelievable. LeBron, him bringing up Spike Lee makes me think about last night. So when the Knicks won, or two nights ago when they won, right? Yeah. And they were interviewing Spike Lee and John Torturro on the sideline or in the arena afterwards. You know, uh-huh. But did you remember what Spike said? He was like, what were you thinking when when, especially when in that game when they tipped it in? And Spike goes, I was thinking, thank you, Jesus. And I'm like, oh, LeBron would have a problem with this man.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

I'd be like, where was Jesus the last 53 years, by the way, Spike? That's what I want to know.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

He was laying, he was laying the road to recovery.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

That's what makes it that's what makes it that much sweeter, LeBron.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

All that waiting. He made the Knicks wait 53 years. How long did the Jews have to wait in um when they was running around for like in the desert? 40. They only had to wait 40 years. He made the 53. Come on, dude.

SPEAKER_04 24:02

God's ways are inscrutable to man.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Inscrutable, he says. Can we thank the city of New York for booing Donald Trump?

SPEAKER_02 24:10

Oh man, that was the that was big ups to New York City for that one. Great job, New York City.

SPEAKER_04 24:15

Like, who didn't know that that was gonna happen? And then they can we can we give props to the city of New York for inviting the singer back so he could sing it. It was the same singer of the national anthem. I mean, he should have been on a knee, but that's neither here nor there. He sang the national anthem, they showed Trump during the national anthem, everybody booed during the national anthem, and it had nothing to do with his singing. So then the next game, they invited the same dude back to sing. So I didn't know that without people booing. That's dope. That's awesome. The 2026 Knicks feel like the 2004 Red Sox.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yes, it's got that feel to it. It was time. Oh, yeah. It was time. And can't you shout out to Mayor Mamdanti, too? Homeboy is.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Yes. Hell yes. That's a lot of good things happen in New York. Seriously, man. Yeah, and he's gonna have to push. That's that clip that I sent you guys today. He's gonna have to push the ability to take the idea of democratic socialist agenda to the national level. But I like the way he answered that question. He was like, New Yorkers don't ask me about you know political theory. They ask me about what works. They want to know what works. That's all they want to know. Yep. And yeah, and its output is what matters.

SPEAKER_04 25:27

But a politician doing his job.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Mm-hmm. Wow. Oxymoron.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Like Microsoft works. Oxymoron. I was watching Antonio's face to see when it hit. Because I always know there's a sound delay with him, too. And so I like my jokes take a little minute, they take longer than even usual.

SPEAKER_04 25:55

That wasn't even a sound delay. That was a brain delay. I was thinking works, oxymoron. Oh, Microsoft works. Oxymoron. Yes. No. Well done.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

Well played, sir. Well played, sir. I was holding on to that one. Great.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

So, LeBron, is there racism in America? No, sir. I don't see none. I don't see none in the good west, Justice. This monologue though was in not inspired, but it was the thought came about after hearing about this racist spectrum dude named Elon Musk, who everyone is touting as this trillionaire all of a sudden. Like that's some kind of badge of honor. But people don't understand where the beginning, where that all came from, where it started. So that's where this monologue came from.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Yeah, dude, hit us with it. Seriously, I want to hear it. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

When I say stock market, what comes to mind? Charts, trading floors, maybe your 401k. Probably not chains. Probably not whips. Definitely not human beings being sold by the pound. But here's the racism you didn't see coming. The American stock market and the entire financial system that surrounds it was just compatible with slavery. It was built on it. Enslaved people were not only laborers, they were the primary financial asset of this young United States. Think about it. A human being was a unit of value, just like a bond or a stock. Here's how it worked. In the 1830s, a planter couldn't always pay cash for more enslaved people. So he went to a bank, you know, like J.P. Morgan or Bank of America, and he mortgaged the people he already owned. Those mortgages were then bundled together and packaged, sold as bonds to investors in New York, London, and Amsterdam. The numbers are staggering. By the 1840s, the total financial value of enslaved people in America was greater than the value of all railroads and all factories in the entire country combined. More than half of all U.S. exports, mostly cotton, were produced by enslaved labor. And here's the geography no one talks about. The New York Stock Exchange sits on Wall Street, two blocks away from where one of the largest slave markets in the nation once operated. Lehman Brothers, yes, that Lehman Brothers, got its start financing cotton trade. Insurance giants like Aetna and New York Life sold policies to slave owners ensuring the value of the enslaved person in case they were injured or died. Ain't that some stuff? This is not ancient history. These companies still exist. The financial products we use today, mortgages, bonds, securities, were stress tested, perfected, and made profitable on human flesh and stolen labor. That's the racism you didn't see coming. Not the crossburners, not the segregation signs, not the MAGA hats, but the prospectus and the quarterly earnings report. Because when you make a person into an asset, you don't have to hate them. You just have to count them. Do the math.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Damn. I'm serious, man.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

I think that's that's like oof because it's illuminative. Because what I've had to realize, man, is that everything is about compound interest. That's why I'm so passionate about math, not because of the math, but because of what it represents that most people overlook. Like you could only become a trillionaire if you once had millions that sat in banks and were invested and they compound it into billions, which compounds into trillions. So him becoming a trillionaire is really not that big a deal. It's just compound interest. And that money really doesn't exist because it's not cash. It's an agreed upon hypothetical imaginary situation like Jesus. But it's powerful.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

He's always got some sort of J drop.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

I mean, Jesus was Jewish, so Jesus was Jewish. It was really the same J drop. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Damn. So I I didn't realize that who was the first one that basically he he traded against the value of his slaves, of his enslaved people.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Yeah, so it was the slave owners, and they were like, I don't have enough money to buy more slaves. I need more slaves. So they went to the bank and said, hey, hold my living slaves as collateral. Let me borrow against them. So that you gotta understand that's how our whole system of the capitalism, everything started from that. The accounting, borrowing, mortgages, stocks, all that was based on slavery. And that's how they perfected it.

SPEAKER_04 30:55

And to call back to LeBron's trip to Ghana, the international slave trade was financed, right? So you had insurance companies in London who were insuring slave ships based on their fortifications and whatnot. And there were many times where enslavers found it more profitable to destroy all their collateral to collect the premiums than it would have been to actually sell them when they got to the West Indies. And so they would actually throw people overboard. It's not a uniquely American thing, but it is the foundation of the United States' financial system.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Right. But I'm just trying about thinking about the lack of humanity to do that to another human being. Like I can understand wars, I can understand your tribe, fight my tribe. I get all that. But the depth of inhumanity, the evilness you must have to do that over money. I mean, it just Oh yeah. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Yeah, but once you see it's almost like naming things too, and we've been really careful since we started. I noticed the shift in you, Antonio, when you you stopped calling people slave owners and slaves, you started started talking about people who enslaved people and enslaved people. And in the case of these individuals who would rather get rid of, like literally murder hundreds of human beings so that they could collect an easier insurance check than actually so and when you name something a non-human or call them my slaves or my property, then it removes your emotional connection to them. It goes back to like our language episode, how what you call things, and it it numbs you to the evil that you're thrusting on these people.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

I mean, and they they saw them as you know they're less than human and uh And I wonder that's a great point, John, because I'm wondering is it enough to change the name you call someone or something to change how you treat it or feel about it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

I think it is to change how you treat it and feel about it, absolutely. I think about to bring it back to our our guy, our guy Donald J. Trump, what it how does he fight with his opponents? The first thing he does, he gives them a dumb nickname. Crooked Hillary. Uh, you know, little little Marco, little Marco. That's his whole game. Sleepy Joe. Sleepy Joe. It's it's so elementary school playground, but it works. It does. It works. What could we actually call Donald Trump to rename him to to change the narrative? Um, because we can't go little Dick Donnie and mass media. Oh, yeah, we can't. Can't say that on CNN. Why not? Can't say that on CNN. You can't? Because you won't be taken seriously. Can you take him seriously?

SPEAKER_04 33:54

Now that now that CNN is being purchased by um Ellison. The Ellisons. The Ellisons are purchasing CNN. Yeah, you won't be able to say anything.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Little Dictator.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

As long as you put little it, you gotta put little in it, then it didn't work.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Lil Dictator. We'll just call him that. He wants to be a dictator. He said it out loud. He's just boring.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

I I'm still on this racism you didn't see coming, right? And it appears, it appears that you were surprised, as this sounds really weird in my headphones. You were surprised that Lehman Brothers or Wall Street or you know, Aetna or JP Morgan Chase, and these financial institutions that we think of as no problem uh today, right? Everybody's got a checking account, you have to have a debit card, you can't use cash, that's not a real thing anymore. Um but these financial institutions, as you go far enough back, uh got their foundation, got their basis on enslaved labor, on insuring things, right? And enslavers were the only ones who've ever received reparations for slavery. Uh that was for the property they lost. And so it's it's there are so many things in United States culture um that have their roots in enslavement. And it's why we were gonna talk today about uh racism you didn't see coming, or racism you perpetuate that you didn't know about, or racism that started some shit that really pisses you off today, but you don't know it was racist, you just know it pisses you off. I was really upset. Uh we went to brunch for Mother's Day, we went whale watching, it was great. We actually saw somebody else, which was unusual. A whale watching trip. It was, you know, my Swegera, my mother-in-law, uh, my family, my immediate family, and then uh my brother-in-law and his family. So it was about nine of us. And we were like, oh, we're down here in San Pedro, let's uh let's go see what else. Oh, there's Little Italy. Let's go. We went to brunch. Right. So it's about nine people, maybe ten. Um, and the bill came out to to three bills. So that's $300. It's not incredibly bad. That's about $30 a person, correct me if I'm doing the math. You just drinking.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

And then they said uh oh. And your gratuity has been added on top automatically because of the size of your party.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

Parties of six or more, or something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:43

The party, the bill was $380. $80 gratuity.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

60 would be 20%. So they went a little up.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

I think they did 22. I done already calculated what we're gonna do. We're gonna break it up, everybody, we're gonna split, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes. And then you're gonna add this. And you ain't asked me, was the service good? Service was okay. You know, she was a very nice young woman because 70% of people in the restaurant industry who are front-facing are female. And I didn't have the opportunity to say, hey, I appreciated your service. Let me give you something directly. This became part of the restaurant thing. I was hot. I was hot.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

As you should be.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Right? And so what I know is that tipping actually comes from racism. Tipping actually comes from anti-blackness. Tipping comes from the Reconstruction, the period right after black folk were quote unquote emancipated. Right, you asked about Juneteenth earlier. They were emancipated. And so white people, I'm not even gonna say in the South, I'm gonna say a lot of white people hired these newly emancipated, these newly freed black folk, and they said, but we're not gonna pay you anything. If you like what they're doing, you can tip them. And it's a custom they borrowed from Europe where the aristocracy would tip their servants. But it was seen as an easy way for restaurateurs, white restaurateurs, to hire I'm using hire like this, yes, black folks who are now working for money and still not have to pay them. Feels a little like slavery 2.0, but we've talked about that. And the tips were supposed what they were supposed to live on. Fast forward several times to 2026. The federal minimum wage, I think, is seven dollars and twenty-five cents. And there are still 15 states who utilize that as the minimum wage, but there's an exception to that, and they can get a credit of up to five dollars for somebody who gets tipped $30 a month. And so tipping actually has its origins in racism and anti-blackness, it actually has its origins in the exploitation of black Americans because at this point they were citizens. And yet, when I go out to dinner, I don't have the opportunity to not tip because those folks may not be getting paid on the assumption that I'm going to tip. And so tipping culture, which is ridiculous, if one more person at Starbucks says, Oh, the screen is going to ask you a question.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

I know the question that's coming. It's not a survey link, although that's annoying too.

SPEAKER_04 39:56

How much am I gonna tip? 18%, 20%, 22%, or a no tip. So let's make that the fourth option and let's assume that I'm gonna give you something. Isn't that your salary? Isn't that what that's for?

unknown 40:08

Right.

SPEAKER_04 40:08

Shouldn't you be paid by the person you're working for? Thank you. Because I know that they're charging me $7 for a cup of coffee. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

I'm wondering why the brother was in Cheesecake Factory, but uh anyway. I'm wondering why he's at Star Bunding the same thing, dude. Hey, you know what? The one of the bad byproducts of this too is that you end up being mad at the server and the and the restaurant and the, you know, because they're the ones that made the decision. It's not law that a party of six or more is gonna automatically tack on a 20 or 22 percent tip. That just has become customary in a lot of places. But plenty of places could say, no, we're not gonna do that. Our our servers are gonna earn their tips and you know, with good service and give give our customers the the option to give that to them out of their gratitude for a job well done.

SPEAKER_04 41:00

But who we should be mad at But is there an assumption in there that they're actually making a salary that's going to allow them to feed their family and right?

SPEAKER_00 41:10

That's what I'm saying. We should be mad at the system that creates this reality of people having to have tips just to pay their bills. Right. And which is why when you go to certain parts of Europe, they hate Americans tipping. Yes, they do. Talking to some folks in Ireland, like, keep your tips. I'm fine. You it they see it as American arrogance, like here, I'm gonna spread my money around. Here's my here are my American dollars. Lucky you, you're welcome for me showing up. And they're like, I don't need that shit. I can I pay my bills, I work here in a cafe and I'm fine.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

Yeah, I know definitely in Germany, uh, what's the bottom or family from, they don't tip in Germany. So people get mad at us here in the United States. They're like, we don't tip in Germany. You got to you have to do some amazing service for real to earn a tip. So I don't know if that's primarily an American thing, but it is. It's a very American thing. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

Yeah, it's a very American thing, and it's a very American thing based in white supremacy and racism. Like the my anger was that like if you included it in the cost, that's fine. But don't say you're charging me one thing, and then this tip is going to this person, like you're not allowing me if you if I had extraordinary service, cool, but like you work there. That's what that is for. Like you get a salary, your salary should be the compensation you get.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

But it doesn't, I mean it's not enough. That's and that who that's who we should be mad at, yes? Yep, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Yeah, tipping should be like kissing, it should be consensual. Like we said earlier. You can't just tip me without my permission.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

Yeah, man. Make me tipping. I used to be kind of hardcore about if I if I walk up to you and order my food, and then the food shows up on a counter, and I walk up to the counter and I then what am I tipping you for? Like, no, no. But I have since become a little bit more, I don't know, a little less heartless because probably part of it is all three of my children pay their bills in this in the food service industry as servers. And uh I'm like, you know what? I know it's hard, California's hard. I'll give you that one dollar, Barista. I'll give you the two dollars. Now I will tell you this. If I'm again, if I'm ordering my food while standing up, that's basically if I'm standing up, that's your line, then fuck the percentages, man. Because like you know, downstairs is this cafe, you guys are gonna come over to this beautiful cafe, it's beautiful, you're gonna love it. It's telling us called salud, it's got tapas. My daughter took me out to brunch there, ended up being like $70. I took Jake there a couple days ago, and I walk up and I've ordered my food, and so. Let's say the bill was like $48 and now it does its percentages. So LeBron, if I got this right, $48, 20% on that's going to be like $9, almost like $10, right? Because that's just double the, you know, double it. And I'm like, hold up. I'm standing on two feet right now. And if I hit any of these percentages, it's as if you walked up to me and brought me my food and asked me what I wanted and told me what the specials are. You didn't do that. I came to you. So I will tip you, but I'm getting out of this percentage and I'll go like $2. Boom, boom, boom. Bam. You're welcome. The custom tip button. Custom tip. Thank you very much. Now, if you come up to me and I have wonderful service, I have no problem 20%, 22%. It's hard to live in California. There's a lot of people who are grown-up people working in this role in food service who are trying to feed their families and they need those tips. So I'm going to try to support that where I can. But uh yeah, man, I draw the line at standing up. You're not getting my 22% if I said if I was on if I was standing on my vans when I when I made my order. Hey, man, like my vans are working. The tip ain't coming.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

Ain't coming. I mean, one of our fraternity brothers said, man, uh a lap dance is cheaper than tipping at uh Cheesecake Factory. I was like, wow, I never thought about it that way.

SPEAKER_04 45:13

But somebody did the math. I just want to know my brother was in Cheesecake Factory.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Cheesecake Factory. Seriously.

SPEAKER_04 45:21

To round out the whole how ridiculous it is, I was in Atlanta and I was in Selma and Montgomery, and I tipped 20% because that's what I have been trained to do as somebody in California. And I had people looking at me like they wanted to make a baby. Like they were so excited about it. 20%. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 45:45

Because guess what? It's cheaper to live in the South, and they don't need as much money. So California's like right.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

If I could throw it back to Quintus uh Quintus blow-up. Oh, he got money.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

You got money. You got money. Get it off. So the racism we didn't see coming is in tipping. The racism we didn't see coming is in idioms and figures of speech that we use on a day-to-day basis. And the fact that you brought this up, Antonio, it made me go back into I actually did something for work. We would have these moments where it was like an like open invitation. We're going to talk about something we're passionate about. And I actually created something in uh for my job that included the idiom peanut gallery. So I went back and I was basically just we're communication people. So I wanted to make them aware of certain things that we're saying that you might know, might not know are problematic because of their context. Just like LeBron, you educating me on the history of Wall Street and knowing that people were trading on the value of their enslaved people. We say things like, and I was pointing out even maybe non-racist stuff, but like how much war language we use. We talk about like, you know, don't fire off all your bullets and it's uphill battle and boots on the ground, and we're really in the trenches on this one. Like there's a lot of war that you'd like, eh, is that really necessary? A lot of Native American dismissiveness, like low man on the totem pole, let's have a powwow, uh, calling people chief, spirit animal, like kind of kind of making it very like cartoonish. Um, but among these was peanut gallery. And the peanut gallery is a phrase that derives from the minstrel era of the 19th century when minstrel shows are going on all around America. Racist policies meant if you were not white, you couldn't sit in the good seats. So if you were black or brown or any other non-Caucasian race, you had to sit way in the back, furthest seats possible, upper side up in the balcony in the back. And back in the day, people they sold peanuts, it was like the cheapest snack available, but a lot of people ate the peanuts, boiled peanuts in the South, especially. And if the acts, the acts weren't good, people would throw peanuts at the actors or the performance up on the stage. I love it. And so ultimately, you know, and if it was raining down from up above, LeBron was up there saying this why are they talking about Jesus? Why are they talking about Jesus so much? You start throwing his peanuts from the top, and then on the stage, you'd be like, Yeah, but I guess the peanut gallery didn't like what we had to say. So we use the idioms to talk about like a group of people that are heckling, or like people that are far away up in the back. We say, Oh, the people up in the peanut gallery. But it's got its roots and racist policies, racist seeding policies back in the minstrel days. So there's another form even in our another racist, uh racist roots of a common phrase.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

You talk about the race and racism you didn't see coming. Like, I know how the you know, both the Democrats and Republicans are fighting for like, you know, the blue-collar worker, and they're always trying to get these people who are in unions, they always want to get this union to endorse them, that union. Did you know? Unions are one of the most racist creations in America because after the enslaved people were set free, they were the only ones who had all the skilled labor. White people didn't know how to do shit. So they were like, wait a minute, uh you keep hiring these black people. We are white, we need the jobs. So someone came up with the idea, let's create a union. And then only people in the union are qualified for those jobs. And then they didn't let the black people in the union. So that's how they fought the real skill labor by creating these unions. And they've been fighting ever since. But I just thought you should know.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

Hey, so here's a couple more that you didn't ask for, Antonio, because I went back to this presentation I did at work. More racist language that some of it's very obvious, but it just rolls off people's lips like it's nothing. Crack the whip. Hey man, it's time to crack the whip. Let's let's crack the whip. Damn, dude. My boss, slave driver, man. She's a slave driver. She's like, Yes, those are ones. How about this? Is a little bit more elusive. I have a hard time. I've tried not to say these things. Master bedroom, master bathroom. Man, that's where I sleep every night.

unknown 50:27

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

MASA? Is it the master bedroom or the massa? Because that's it.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

It just depends on where, yeah, it's so true. But real estate agents have been trained like in out of saying master bedroom. That's like primary now. Primary bedroom, primary school. Really? I never heard of that. So the master. Okay. Yeah. It's a new thing. And look, some of it's like, we don't need to be language police. Like it can go too far where everyone's like, you know, hitting a buzzer every time it says something. But but oh can of what?

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Can it go too far?

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Yeah. I think at some point it's like we're trying to have a fun conversation, stop buzzing every time I say something. I don't mean it. It's it's I'm trying, I'm trying. But I I had some.

SPEAKER_04 51:23

So is it, I mean, yeah. So I was in, I'm wearing Captain T-shirt, wearing the Montgomery Square t-shirt. And to show you all the back, you can read it.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

Captain T-shirt, what you got? He's working. The back of it's we've come too far to turn back down. I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 51:44

So I was in Montgomery, Alabama uh a little while ago, and we were literally on the river where enslaved people were shipped south. And it had never occurred to me that being sold down the river was actually a threat against enslaved black people to keep them in line because being sold literally down the river to the deep south, where, you know, there were bad slave owners, bad enslavers, as opposed to the good enslavers. Unlike us, decorum. Or in New York. Um right. Um, and so sold down the river was one of those phrases that had not occurred to me until I was literally on the river where enslaved people were being sold down.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 52:32

And then as part of the presentation, as part of something I learned, I was like, oh. Oh, well, I know where I can share this information. Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

I happen to have two brethren with whom I share these things.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

John, you just made me think. I'm thinking when I worked at that for New Teacher Center, it was like 99% white women in me. If my boss would have said, LeBron, you're gonna make me have to crack the whip, I would have said, Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

But can you imagine if it had happened, if like she was just like, man, or even if it wasn't directed at you, like, man, it's time, it's time we really get these people doing their job. They've been lazy. Let's crack the whip.

SPEAKER_04 53:15

And then she'd be like, Oh, they would have gone quiet in the entire room and everybody would have gone like this and look right at my black ass. There are lots of things, right? Mount Rushmore. Everybody wants to go see Mount Rushmore. Everybody talks about their Mount Rushmore of the NBA. Who's on your Mount Rushmore of the NBA? Right. Just curious.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

Mount curious, really. Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Dr. J. Ooh, Magic Johnson. Oh, and probably um Bob Coozie.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

That's four. You gotta add two more.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

How many people up on the damn round Mount Rushmore? I thought it was four on Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_04 54:07

I thought it was only four. Right, there are there are four on Mount Rushmore, but Mount Rushmore was actually a Lakota Sioux uh sacred set of mountains called the Six Grandfathers. And so the white people who came and they wanted to chisel in their own thing couldn't even count right, and they only put four people up there. So if I'm gonna say who are your six grandfathers, right, which is still culturally appropriate, but it's understanding and acknowledging the fact that this was a religious ground, this was sacred ground to the Lakota Sioux, and their white supremacy decided to chisel its face up on there. So if I'm gonna ask you who's on your Mount Rushmore, I'm gonna ask you for six people. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

Damn, that was deep. That was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 54:48

You need a couple more. That was deep, Antonio. You need a minute to come up with those other two? That is deep. You got two more?

SPEAKER_02 54:55

You already put in tarot bang on that sucker. We good.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

You want my Mount Rushmore MBA?

SPEAKER_04 55:01

Yeah. Or your six grandfathers.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

Larry Bird, Jerry West, John Stockton, Kevin McHale, Steve Nash.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

Can't even do this with a straight face. That was that was payback.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

That was payback. That was payback. The spin tank was payback for all the one you got me good on now. That was good.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

After Larry Bird, dude.

SPEAKER_04 55:32

But you could start with Larry Bird, right? You couldn't. That's how I lured you in. What do you mean to Kevin McHale?

SPEAKER_00 55:39

He was like, I just didn't start. Hey, raise your hand if you're Googling best white NBA basketball players of all time. Hey, speaking of the World Cup, there's a the series on HBO Max called US Against the World. It's five episodes. And it goes, it's the American, the American national soccer team back four years ago. And then it just follows them until it they recorded all the way up until May of this year. Really? My son turned me on to it because I'm like, you know, I always feel like I'm a little on the outs with World Cup. I mean we're Americans and like we're slowly getting more and more into soccer. But when uh I don't think I sent you guys clips, but across the street from my apartment, yeah, that big old parking lot. Yeah, the Paraguay. You saw the Paraguay, like the two days of nonstop partying, man. It was like, and instead of complaining about the noise and the thumping bass nonstop, and straight up I learned a soccer chant. I don't even know the words, but like every third song was the chant. And I'm like, that's how it happens, it's just repetition. But I was like, almost every other country, well, any country that has a team in the World Cup, this is what their whole block looks like right now for days. Like just party, party, party. And we're like, so I just I surrendered to it. I loved it. But in addition to that, watching this US against the world five episodes is awesome. I'm loving the World Cup even more. I know who the players are, I know their stories. That's great. That's good. That helps. It helps, big.

SPEAKER_04 57:06

Was it was it like uh the Redeem Team uh documentary?

SPEAKER_00 57:11

I don't know that one. What's that?

SPEAKER_04 57:13

That's the one with the USA, the 2008 USA Olympic team, Landon Donovan, that whole crew, and law.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 57:20

This was about basketball. It was the Kobe when Kobe was going through his his rape trial, and all of a sudden he showed up and everybody's like, we came back from the club and Kobe was on his way to the gym. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:31

A little bit like that, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

Yeah, no, it's it's that backstory leading up to leading up to, yeah. Yeah, but the crazy thing is that men's soccer sucks in the U.S., but the women's soccer is the best of the world. Dominate. Dominate.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Absolutely dominate. How did that happen? That's another episode. Fight and fight and fight. I gotta get some lights on on the side here, so I'll be right back. Hold up.

SPEAKER_04 57:57

Did we talk about the fact that the highest incident of athletic injuries in CIF in high school is in girls' soccer? No.

SPEAKER_02 58:09

Where did you get that data from?

SPEAKER_04 58:12

The CIF.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

I think that's better.

SPEAKER_04 58:16

California Interscholastic Federation. Um, and it may not be true now, but it has been true for many of the last few years. Um and and I only say that to point to the fact that girls' soccer has been a thing since Brandi Chastain scored that goal and whipped off her shirt and showed everybody a sports bra, which wasn't actually titillating in any way. In any way.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

No, it was just badass, is what it was. Right. She was like, I wanted abs like hers. I was like, shit, I need those abs.

SPEAKER_04 58:50

But so it's been blowing up, and somebody, I wish it was me, but it wasn't. Somebody the other day on threads, it was like, I'm watching the USA men, and it's like I'm watching the USA women. Like they're playing with Verve and they're making passes and they're making shots, and they scored four to one. Like, you can't talk about it. So all these people who are like, oh, USA soccer is now here. No, no, no, USA men's soccer is now here. That's right. Antonio's always he's always been checking that.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

I love Antonio's always checking up. I love it. And gentlemen, I'm very pleased to report that this team, very black, very black, and very African American, not because a lot of, you know, when you look at the global majority in soccer, and this is the most, you know, very black. There's a lot of very black people, but I'm talking like dude, a dude from Pennsylvania, a dude from Texas, a dude from like uh Wisconsin, like black dudes, and one of them who was from Texas, he's like, I grew up in a little town in Texas, and I was an I was tall and I was an athlete, and everybody wanted me to play football. So I played football, but I really love soccer. So I've always been an outsider. One of them, he's like, my mom's white, my dad's black, and I was supposed to play basketball because as far as everyone concerned, I'm a black dude. Yeah, so I need to play basketball. So I played basketball, but I wasn't black enough for my the black player people that I knew. I wasn't white enough for the white people that I knew. So I always felt like an outsider anyway. So playing soccer to me was just like a natural progression of I'm just I'm just gonna do what I want to do. Dude's on the national team now. So hey.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:25

And he goes to the biracial affinity group.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

We got that for you, UCLA, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Which is called the World Cup.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

Yeah. Now, here's the crazy thing to me. Watching the World Cup, every country, all the colonizers' players are all black. So this is not the World Cup. This is the Africa Cup for the colonizers.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:46

So true, dude. That's all it is. I mean, don't colonizers always get the black people to do their work?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

I don't know, bro. Have you seen the Netherlands and Germany? This is pretty white teams. No, no, no. The Netherlands and Germany are they all look like me, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

They all look like me.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

Oh, that's beautiful. Look at man, any I'm telling you, NHL is next, man. They're just you guys show up, you start with the skills, you're gonna start beating us in lacrosse.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:12

Look out, pick pickleball. We're coming for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

Pickleball, dude. Pickleball in the old folks' home. Get out of my way.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

Oh shit. I can't do it. Yeah. Hey, before one thing, before I know we start to wrap it up, but I had to buy a book for my summer school class on social justice. And I didn't read it because I'm going to give it to you, Antonio. And I hope you don't have it already. It just came in today. It's this book here.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:41

Oh, Kimberly Crenshaw Williams. Kimberly Williams Crenshaw? Yeah. You should read it. Read it. Read it, then give it to you? She's fire. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

Okay. I'll read it, then I'll give it to you. When I started reading it, I'm like, this is Antonio all day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:56

Because you know what Antonio needs right now is another book to read.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:00

Antonio Butler, bro. I found this calculator in my room. I was wondering.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:04

Yes, seriously. Hey John, I got a harmonica. You want it?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:08

I had to get a whole nother bookshelf. I feel you.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

I do. Yeah, your background's different now.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:14

Because it's all like all. It's not bookified. It's all bookified. It's books. I have books. That's why I couldn't find the book for Clint Smith. It's way over there. We had a target. I think we missed.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

Dude, I'm looking at I'm looking at the list right now. I'm like, we hit some good. We didn't hit music, the rhythm of colonialism, but I want to do a whole episode on music, y'all. Yeah, we need to do a whole music. I'll produce that. I'll come up with the questions. I'm gonna ask you guys things to prepare. Yes. Um the rhythm of colonialism needs more context, I think. Guitar was out of tune.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:55

Okay, there's like your piano that's coming that's out of tune. It is. I don't make this up. You gotta let it rest. You do. You pianist.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

I'm not making me pianist.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:08

No, I'm not thinking you're making it up. I think every musician has a different ear. And I've known enough of you to say, hi Sabah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:20

Sabah. Hey, LeBron wrote a blues. LeBron wrote a blues number. When can I have my hot dog back? Five minutes. How bad you want him? What's it worth saying? How bad you want them?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

Two minutes. Two minutes. I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:45

I guess we have a hard out at 840. Okay, there we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

Sounds like it. Hey man, watching Sinners again. Uh I know I told you like my favorite part of course is like when he's playing music in the in the club and they they're summoning all the the all the ancestors and the future people. But dude, when the girl is singing and she does the like ooh. That shit was powerful, man. Because of what's happening in the background, too, that she's unaware of when all the you know the vampire giacks.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:20

In the other room. So uh one podcast I didn't mention was Get Wrecked, R-E-C Apostrophe D with Straw Hat Goofy. I do like his movie rec and he's uh he used to work with my cousin at Disneyland and then his movie things blew up and now he's doing that full time. But he's got a podcast, and he has Jamie Lawson, who's the woman who plays Perline.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:42

The one podcast. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:44

And they talk about that scene and how when they first read the script, there was no song. It said Perline sings a song. That was it. And Ludwig, who's the musical director, and his partner wrote the song as they were filming the movie. So when they got to filming that scene, it was a whole scene as opposed to just her in the background.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

Yeah, yeah. Man, dude, there's something.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:11

That one is worth a listen. Get wrecked with Straw Hat Goofy.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:15

There's just something about when she she she does that one stop, like with her and everybody does it too. And it just reminded me of the step show, and like what I've told you before, when when I feel unable to access the same level of depth that that a black person in America has when they're stepping. Like because when she like that's what I felt. I felt like this is awesome. I felt like I felt protest, I felt celebration, I felt frustration, I felt anger, I felt hate, I felt love, all in that stomp. It was just like it was so powerful, man. I I want to see that scene over and over again. It's so good. It's so good. Yes, it is. Can I be in your step team? The white guys with that. As we always do.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Yes. Last on founders. Alrighty, my brothers. Brothers. Always good seeing you. Miss you guys. Mile go, man. We'll talk to you soon. Yes, sir. Late. Late. Appreciate you. Thank you for joining us. Still got questions? Other things you want to say? Well, hit us up at 34hefounders.com. On Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, or TikTok. Or send us a text through Buzz Sprout. Remember to like and subscribe wherever you get your podcast and share the pod with someone you think can benefit from it or add to the conversation. Till the next time, Left on Founders, we out.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:41

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SPEAKER_02 1:07:04

When I say stock market, what comes to mind? Charts, trading floors, or your 401k. Hey, dude, it's probably not chains, probably not whips. Definitely not human beings being sold by the pound. But here's the racism you didn't see them. The American stock market and the entire financial system that surrounded it was not just compatible with slow, it was built on it. Enslaved people were not the only labor. They were the primary financial asset of young United States. Think about it. A human being was a unit of value, just like a bond or a share of stock. And here's how it all worked. In the 1830s, a planter couldn't always pay cash for more enslaved people. So he went to the bank, you know, like J.P. Morgan for Bank of America, and he mortgaged the people he already owned. Those mortgages were then bundled together in packages and sold as bonds to investors in New York, London, and Africa. The numbers are staggering. By the 1840s, the total financial value of enslaved people in this country were greater than the value of all railroads and factories combined. More than half of the U.S. exports, mostly cotton, of course, were produced by enslaved labor. And here's a geography no one talks about. Linger Brothers. Yes, that Linger Brothers. Got his start by financing cotton trade. Ensures giants like Aetna and New York Life sold policies to slave owners. Ensuring the value of an enslaved person.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

Value of a slave person was worth more than a dime. Woo!

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

This is not ancient history, people. These companies still exist. Financial products we use every day, whether they be mortgages, bonds, or securities, were stress tested, perfected, and made profitable on human flesh and stolen labor. That's racism you didn't see coming. Not the crossing rounded, not the segregation signs, not the MAGA hats, but the prospectus and the quarterly earning profits. But when you make a person an asset, you don't have to hate them. You just have to make them count.