The secret to Community-Based Tourism success 🛖

Community-based tourism sounds great in theory, but what does it take to really make it work? 🤔

That’s the big question we explore in this week’s episode of Sustainable Today, Successful Tomorrow.

Together with Theo from Kara-Tunga in Uganda, we dive into the real-world challenges of building community-based experiences that benefit local people and resonate with travellers. 🌍

From awkward interactions to meaningful personal exchanges and long-term impact. 

We unpack what happens when you approach community-based tourism not as a charity, but as a business model with purpose. 💡

Whether you’re a fan or still unsure about community-based tourism, this episode is packed with practical insights, honest stories, and inspiration. 🎧

Transcript

Rik: [00:00:00] To be honest, it's quite easy to tackle these problems if you have a business plan in place and if you have a strategy in place.

Rik: It's not rocket science, but you do need a bit of structure and a bit of strategy and a bit of commercial thinking as well, because if you don't think about it commercially, you can't make as much positive impact as you'd like to. 

Rik: Welcome back to Sustainable. Today's Successful Tomorrow, where we explore real world sustainable tourism stories that actually work. Community-based tourism often sounds better on paper than it does in practice. It's full of good intentions, but not always easy to get right. So what does it take to develop travel experiences that truly benefit the local community while still appealing to today's traveler.

Rik: For more insights. We've interviewed Theo [00:01:00] from Tunga, who's been developing community-based tourism for over nine years in Uganda.

Rik: In this episode, we'll listen to a few short clips from that interview, and next week we'll release the full conversation.

Rik: So let's get into it. Our core question of today is how do you turn community-based tourism into a success story? So what's your first take on this? 

Anne: Yes, good question. how to turn it into a success story is really the combination of, collaborating with local communities and to really develop community-based tourism on local terms.

Anne: So really doing it together, but really treating it as a business model, that should have its own profit.

Rik: Great. We'll come back to that in a bit and we'll dive a little deeper. But first, we've actually done quite a few community-based tourism experiences ourselves. Okay. And you've done a specific tour with Theo in 2019 where you were one of his first travelers for that specific tour. 

Anne: Yeah. [00:02:00] 

Rik: What was that like?

Anne: Oh, very interesting. yeah, so in 2019 I was traveling, to Uganda and also Kenya for work. And I, was chatting with Theo and he invited me up north to Karamoja the region, where Theo operates with his business. 

Anne: and it was really interesting to see like firsthand what they were doing, how they were building that entire business. 'cause it just started at that time. I even attended a staff training and so to really, yeah, it was really great how they approached things. but then one night the accommodation was really booked and they had to, move me out, for one night and then, uh, he suggested for me to try out one of their new.

Anne: Tours, which is actually going, into the bush, on the back of a boda boda, with local guides and to really visit, local communities and shepherds out there. every time I talk about community based tourism, this is the first thing that comes to mind. but it's really. It was so off the beaten track.

Anne: I've never done anything like that. we visit [00:03:00] local, villages, talk to, local women in the villages. The guys were throwing spears as a contest to see who could throw the furthest 

Rik: sounds dangerous. 

Anne: Yeah. Well there's the bush. There's no one there, but still. Yeah. they got quite far. Like I was very impressed.

Anne: I couldn't do it like I was not good at it. And then we also visited the local Shepherds, and joined the them for campfire. I didn't join them for dinner though, because especially in this region, they mix cow blood with, their milk. as dinner, they, yeah, they mix it. Apparently it's good for your iron.

Anne: didn't try that. but I did see the entire process of how they were doing it. very intriguing. I think that's the best word. 

Rik: That does sound like quite the amazing experience and definitely to be able to experience it this early on in the early stages of development. So you can also get a little behind the scenes.

Rik: but I do have some questions about the [00:04:00] blood with milk drinking. you said you didn't do it, did you actually get dinner that night? 

Anne: yes I did. I must have, what did I eat? I don't know, maybe bread. I think we roasted something on the fire. I don't remember, but I do remember that I didn't wanna try the blood with, Yeah, with the milk also the smell, like I'm not really good with 

Rik: these. I've actually read that if you would drink something like that and you're not used to the bacteria that are inside blood, it could be quite dangerous. So I think it's good. I think it's good. I needed it. You didn't get involved in that.

Anne: Yeah, but I guess it would've been a great story if I did. but yeah, no, I didn't try that. this overall experience, like going out there, with these local guys to really be taken through what daily lives look, for them and to wake up and attend in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. It was very magical.

Anne: So yeah. Amazing experience. 

Rik: Yeah. Like really being part of it instead of just 

Anne: Yeah. 

Rik: Having a show performed. 

Anne: Yeah. They were just really. [00:05:00] Showed me around and to really, have me meet everyone. And it was kind of walking into, A house, of your friends where you're introduced as, yeah, just a friend.

Rik: Yeah. More of a guest than a tourist yeah, 

Anne: exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's exactly it. Yeah. It's fun.

Anne: and what about you? Because I know that you are not really, you're big a fan of community-based tourism. Why do you think that is? 

Rik: Well, mixed feelings actually, because I'm not that. Comfortable with the awkward situations that community-based tourism sometimes brings, especially when it's not that much of a develop tour.

Rik: So I do like it more when it's, yeah, like it's a bit more organized and a bit more professional. So the, like going back to basics. Not so much, but what you just described does seem like an adventure and does seem really cool. And I remember a few of the experiences we did [00:06:00] ourselves. For example, in, Sri Lanka, we stayed at a local family's home and we had elephants roaming, next to our bedroom door.

Rik: And at night the local family dressed you up like a doll. Oh 

Anne: yeah, I remember that. 

Rik: Yeah. You had to wear this traditional dress and I'm not sure how much you liked it, but it was funny for me. 

Anne: Well, I mean, I like the gesture and it was nice doing something with the family together, but she was trying to get me into one of her daughter's dresses and it was too small for me.

Anne: And I think she even called me chubby because it didn't fit. And that was just, I think we went along with it, but also. 

Rik: Yeah, that's, I don't, that's one of the awkward situations that Yeah,

Anne: I think looking back, it's a good story. was I really enjoying it at that time?

Anne: I. I'm not sure. 

Rik: No, but we still talk about it. 

Anne: We talk about it, yeah. 

Rik: And we had another experience in Kenya where we went into the mangrove, with [00:07:00] a amazing local guide. Yeah. we actually got into a traditional cutout canoe, like the old fishermen still, use, which was amazing. So yeah, mixed feelings if it's organized well.

Rik: I'm all up for it. But it does need that organization 

Anne: for you. Yeah, for 

Rik: me. 

Anne: Yeah. I do understand it makes feelings and I have to say I'm quite on the same page on that, but I do think, like for me, and maybe for you as well, it stands with having a good English guide. Yeah. So being able to properly communicate with, the locals, because they kind of avoid the awkward situations if you don't really understand.

Anne: What's happening, what's going on, and when you can't really exchange anything. So I think, if you have someone who speaks English who can show you around or translate or really involve you in what's happening, that makes all the difference. 

Rik: Yeah. I'm guessing communication is key in this case.

Rik: And, uh, guide can really [00:08:00] bridge that gap between the tourist and the local community themselves. If they. Don't speak English. Hold it well. 

Anne: yeah, absolutely.

Rik: But to bring things back to the main question, how do you turn community-based tourism into a success story? we actually wanna listen to a clip from Theo where he explains what it is that most businesses struggle with when he developing community-based tourism. 

Anne: Yep. Let's play it.

Theo: The most important reason that many CBT companies are struggling is I think they don't see it as a business. It's also when we started. Emphasize, let's look at it as a business and not just like a charity. That's also what I see in other initiatives. They started because it's a good idea. They have a nice community, they have a nice experience, but then they don't think about, am I accessible?

Theo: Is it gonna be profitable? If we think about the operational challenges also coming in, do we have a bit of capital also to invest in marketing? Are we able to reach out to tour operators? [00:09:00] A few weeks ago, we had a meeting with some CBT actors and they said, I don't know why nobody's coming. I'm like. You think about the business model, you think about marketing yourself?

Theo: Yeah, I probably just gonna be at some events and people would come. Or there also should be something in for the tourist, but as well also should be something in for travel agents and tour operators. and especially actually in this early stage of kick starting CBT experience where you need to really highly invest, in, in marketing yourself, refining your products, sensitizing the communities, it sounds like fun and low cost.

Theo: But at the end of the day, somebody needs to invest the time in it. And that's sometimes I think, underestimated.

Rik: That's such good advice and you really need to think about it with a business mindset, don't you think I. 

Anne: Absolutely. And this is also exactly what Theo proves. That to be successful you need this business plan, a strategy, the structure,and the money actually, to support it, to support your nice idea and think also [00:10:00] what Theo said about, having a nice community but being too remote.

Anne: I've heard that before and I've seen a lot more projects like that where often the community-based tourism experience is really great, but then it's just too remote or not interesting enough for the tour operator to include it or adapt our entire itinerary to make that happen.

Anne: Because in the end, the travel agent or the tour operator needs to resell it to the traveler and they have to get, promote it properly. So as a community-based project, you really have to make sure that you. what's in it for the traveler and how can I sell this? Yeah. because the traveler is not only going to come.

Anne: Just to support the community, you always have to think about what's in it for them. Otherwise, yeah, your project won't, create positive impact that you're imagining it to be. 

Rik: Yeah, I completely agree. You do need that kind of business strategy to make it work and to be honest, it's quite easy to tackle these problems if you have a business plan in [00:11:00] place and if you have a strategy in place.

Rik: It's not rocket science, but you do need a bit of structure and a bit of strategy and a bit of commercial thinking as well, because if you don't think about it commercially, you can't make as much positive impact as you'd like to. 

Anne: No, exactly, and I think this is what Theo said in the beginning is that you have to treat it as a business model and, even nonprofits need money to make it happen.

Anne: so the better you are in, all this, developing it, selling it, the more impact you can make. 

Rik: So let's say you have the business plan and strategy into place, that's just the first step, right? Community-based or brings their own set of challenges. And you do really need the structure to make it work. Yeah. but when it does work, it's usually when there's something real behind it. what do you feel are the key, areas to delivering, authentic community-based [00:12:00] experiences?

Anne: Well key is to really develop it on local terms and to really discuss with the locals about what they want to share. 'cause for example, Theo mentioned something about travelers looking for traditional, authentic community-based experiences, but they're actually thinking about, authentic live, 50 years ago.

Rik: More of a history lesson instead of 

Anne: Yeah, exactly. And. What's actually authentic is having local show you around inviting you as a guest in their home, involving you in their day-to-day activities and sharing their traditions and culture. So by doing it on local terms, you can really ensure it's actually authentic in a way, that just represents true daily life.

Anne: And what you also mentioned is that by doing it on local terms. It really increased, the pride of the local communities and 'cause the Kara Maja region, where, Kara-Tunga operates has a very [00:13:00] rich, history and a lot of, traditions, culture that are very different from other regions in Uganda and actually also quite different from other regions in Africa.

Anne: And for these communities to understand that there are international travelers traveling from all over the world to come and experience, that really increases their pride and they're so excited about that and by being so excited. About sharing all of that with Travelers. it gives it extra, Experience for travelers as well, because it's really, genuine excitement, genuine, experiences and very daily, exchanges. so I think that's very important. 

Rik: Yeah, doing things right on the ground is absolutely essential. And I do feel that these things like creating genuine interactions, working with local guides, empowering the local community to do it on local.

Rik: Terms that's what makes it meaningful. Yeah. And I do feel [00:14:00] that, Kara-Tunga is also doing more than just generating local income. Yeah. They're really doing something for the community it must be exciting for them as well, because like you said, they have international travelers coming over, sharing experiences with them at a campfire.

Rik: That must be special for them as well, right? 

Anne: yeah. No, absolutely. And this is actually the entire goal of Kara-Tunga. That's also why they started because. the Kara Maja region has had a long history also of conflicts and of war, and now that peace has returned to the region. Theo really wants to focus on uplifting, the communities and to really ensure that everyone in the world can experience how beautiful and amazing the region is.

Anne: Yeah. So their goal is not just to offer community-based tourism, but it's really To develop the region in general. So they're really doing it for the destination.

Rik: And the way that you're doing that brings us to another important aspect, [00:15:00] which is who are you developing it for?

Rik: So what people are you targeting, what kind of travelers are you targeting? And that is something that Theo had quite some interesting things to say about. Yes. So let's listen to a clip. 

Anne: Let's do that.

Theo: We had really backpackers. People would travel in the local taxis and wanted to have the most brutal experience they could get. And slowly what you noticed, that actually for us, it, it became less relevant because we are looking at having a bit more impact involving more communities. So we actually let go of that really rural audience, the backpackers, because we noticed that actually also the mid-range tourist who want a CBT experience just have different needs.

Theo: They want a bit more comfort, they want a bit more organization, they want an invoice. The tour operators want also some professionalism and an email address to be answered. so we actually jumped up a little bit to a different type of audience to actually offer the CBT experience for people who are a bit less raw or backpacking style, [00:16:00] because we saw that business model for the backpackers was not as interesting for our growth.

Rik: That's really interesting and you can tell again that he's looking at it from a business perspective, like, how can we grow our business and at the same time maximize positive impact? Do you think that kind of shift in target audience is something that more community-based tourism businesses should explore? 

Anne: I think that's a sensitive question because I understand what Theo is doing, because they looked for travelers that have a bit more to spend in able for them to create more positive impact in the region.

Anne: And we also talked about this in a previous, episode when we talked about Jacada Travel is, do you need more money to create more positive impact? And. It looks like that it's also the case for community-based tourism. so it's definitely interesting to explore, but it doesn't mean that you can't organize or develop [00:17:00] community-based tourism, on a budget.

Anne: they're just targeting a different traveler. Because if you're looking for that traveler that's really ready to go back to basic, you don't need too much of a budget. But for Kara-Tunga is that they want to work with tour operators, with agents, and they really invested, time and money in making their business more professional, and also more comfortable.

Anne: So to allow travelers that are not really used to the, going back to basic experiences to still. Experience,these cultural experiences, in a way that they thought they might not be interested in. 

Rik: Yeah, exactly. It just needs to be clear who you are targeting as a business. I think that's the important thing here.

Rik: You can either target. Backpackers or middle class or upper class, it doesn't really matter who you are targeting as long as you match your story to the people who you are selling to. Yeah. And I think what Kara-Tunga has done [00:18:00] is a great example of kind of repositioning, In that sense, still maintaining their authenticity and their connection to the community, all the while maximizing their positive impact, because that's what it's really about for them.

Rik: Of course, they are a business, but they have this connection to the region that they're offering these tours to. So they really want to maximize that positive impact and yeah, and that sense it. makes sense to target a little more of an upper class or middle class, traveler. 

Anne: Yeah, no, absolutely.

Anne: And by being able to ask more, they can also pay, the local communities more. And they've really grown in size and in purpose really. And. I think it's a different strategy, but it definitely works for them. and yeah, like their experiences look amazing, so they're definitely doing something right.

Rik: I just think that, you need to keep in mind that, individual travelers will [00:19:00] have individual needs and community-based tourism experiences are not really a one size fits all. so how do you feel that Kara-Tunga is personalizing their experiences in a way that they can match different needs for different type of travelers?

Anne: yeah, so I think to start off, it's really important that they determine Who they want to attract. So even though they know who they want to have as a traveler, it's really important to dive a bit deeper, dig deeper of what their needs and demands are, and you can have more, and different needs in demands in that group.

Anne: and for that, it's important that you are, flexible, so flexible to, um, personalize the travel experiences, for example. So Theo said that they offer like the standard, tours, that you could just pick off the website that are by, tour operators. but they also had, he told me a story about a doctor, who was interested in, talking [00:20:00] with local healers and they made that happen, so they tailored, The experience based on the specific needs of that traveler. 

Anne: And it doesn't have to be that specific. It would also be like small changes. So for example, if we would go and we're really interested in, where they buy their food, we could go and go visit the local market. Like It could be these small changes if you're interview food, if you're interested in, creating, 

Anne: houses, like how are they building, houses? Anything that you find interesting from a culture they could make happen. So I think it's really important to also allow your guests to, to share what they're interested in and to base the experience on that. I. So 

Rik: basically having a standard package for people who don't really know what they want.

Rik: Yeah. But offering tailored tours to travelers who are in specific needs 

Anne: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And also what Theo said is that, even though they have these standard packages, but there's a lot [00:21:00] of, Communication with the local guides and the guests, and if the guides find out that they have a specific interest in something, they can also try and make that happen during the day.

Anne: So I think communication is really important here. especially in managing expectations of travelers, so that they know what they can expect, that they go in with an open mind, but also to encourage them. To share what they would like to see. So to really make it, yeah, a tailored experience on the day itself.

Rik: Yeah, I completely agree. The why and how of your communication are essential in this case. And one more thing that was really interesting with Kara-Tunga is that they also really think about where they communicate. Yeah. And that was something, Theo shared, a bit of an interesting story for. So, uh, let's have a listen.

Anne: Okay.

Theo: We are really focused on storytelling and the authenticity and the pureness of our experiences, and especially also in the benefits for the community that we are [00:22:00] educating guides. We are training hospitality staff, and as we are really spearheading tourism development in our region. So we use social media a lot.

Theo: Our Instagram, TikTok and Facebook is for us for the guides to actually have a voice. If, follow us on Kara-Tunga Tours, you'll see a lot of videos from the villages on the bike, on the motorbikes hiking. That's really for people to see what happens on daily basis. On our LinkedIn, we try to focus a bit on impacts 'cause we know the audience a bit more business minded.

Theo: And Twitter is really like our daily news channel, especially here within Uganda. We know that many of the professionals are on Twitter, so we try to at least keep people up to date what we are doing. And then as last one, our newsletter, because we have a huge database and that's I think very important.

Theo: Use that as a bit more for I, yeah, longer stories.

Rik: What he is doing really well is that he's personalizing his messaging based on each channel that he uses. He kind of uses different communication because you do have to realize [00:23:00] that you're not speaking to exactly the same audience on different channels. Yeah. that's a really important thing to always keep in mind when you're communicating on, for example, social media or your newsletter, is that the audience is a little different.

Anne: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 

Rik: And another thing that's also important, and he did mention it, but he didn't go into it too deeply, is storytelling. how do you feel that businesses can incorporate storytelling, better to improve their communication? 

Anne: I think what's very important here is that it's, again, on local terms, so to really have the locals share, the stories.

Anne: So really sit down with them and really, brainstorm on what they want to share about, the culture, about, the activities. maybe have guides, introduce themselves, share their favorite, activity off their day. So to really force that personal connection. and also while you're doing that, [00:24:00] really focus on creating like a library of stories that you have, so that every time you're trying to create new content that you can kind of pick, a story from there.

Anne: I think that's a really good basis. 

Rik: Yeah. The story library is definitely a powerful asset and we've used it ourselves many a times and we keep on, adding new stories to it as well. 

Anne: yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I also think that. What's interesting in what Theo said in this clip is that they're not really sharing, the positive impact they're creating on their social media channels because they feel it's not really the right place, or that the travelers are not interested.

Anne: but I do think, and storytelling is a really good tool for that, that if they find the right tone of voice. That it can actually raise awareness and incorporate this positive impact, with the adventure stories that they're, that they're sharing. 

Rik: You need to find a hook that makes it interesting for the traveler as well.

Rik: if you talk about data and specific details, they might not be as interested but. [00:25:00] I'm pretty sure they're interested in his background story because he actually has an amazing story and yeah. stories like these can really make your business stand out. Yeah. And travel is all about creating experiences and creating stories.

Rik: So what better way to spark a traveler's imagination then by using storytelling 

Anne: Yeah. 

Rik: It's such a powerful tool especially in community-based tourism, there's so many stories to tell on basically anything. 

Anne: Yeah. Yeah. So that's, there is a lot of potential. you just have to put the time and effort into collecting these stories and then yeah, finding the hook, on how to communicate.

Rik: Yeah, definitely time and effort is key in this. It does take time and it does take a lot of effort, but it's definitely worth it.

Rik: Unfortunately, it's already time to wrap up. Again, looking back, what stood out to you most in your interview with Theo? 

Anne: I think what stood out most was that it's very great to see like how far they have come, like when I [00:26:00] visited them, seven years ago. Yeah, it was still a small business and you were doing amazing things, but, um, you can really see that they stepped up their game and to really, treat it as a business and they're really backing it up with the proper strategy, with the marketing plan and yeah, really amazing, experiences.

Anne: and what Theo said, like they focused on internal, training, collaboration, better product design, and to really. They're in it for profit, and I think this is kind of unique in the community-based tourism industry, but they're in it for profit to be able to invest it back into the region.

Anne: So they're actually building two new lodges in a remote area. so they can spread the impact, have travelers go out, even further, 

Anne: stay longer. so yeah, they're in it for the profit, but to reinvest all that, in the community. And I think that's a really great business model.

Rik: Which kind of brings us back to our core question. how do you turn community based tourism [00:27:00] into a success story? Any final tips for business trying to do the same? 

Anne: yes. I think we covered most, but it's really the combination of doing it. Treating it as a business. so using its business model, developing it on local terms, so in collaboration with the local communities, but then all that in a way that, it's connected to traveler needs.

Anne: So making sure that the experience appeals to travelers and also appeals to tour operators that have to sell it to these travelers. and. Can also see that's also what Theo is doing. So they're really selling the adventure. they're selling what the traveler is looking for. So not specifically the positive impact.

Anne: The positive impact is there. but by selling the adventure, they will have the income to create more positive impact. 

Rik: Yeah, exactly. It's all about finding the right balance. And the balance should be between creating positive impact for the community and being marketable. 

Anne: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that what's [00:28:00] important to.

Anne: Remark here is that, yes, the win for the local community should always be priority because that's what community-based tourism is. But connecting it to the needs of travelers is equally important if you want to create that positive impact. 

Rik: perfect. Let's wrap it up with that.

Anne: That leads us to your question. What are you struggling with most when it comes to community-based tourism? Let us know. the next episode will be my full interview with Theo and in the meantime, subscribe to this channel and like, and share this episode if you liked it. And we hope to see you soon.