Imani Kwa Mungu Au Imani Kwa Mbinu?-Episode 3

Katika Episode hii nimefanya mazungmzo na kaka yangu na mwalimu wangu Faith Joel Shimba Kuhusu namna kanisa limejikuta likibobea katika shughuli za kiroho na kusaua kuhusu Mungu

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

Habari, karibu tena kwene podcastyango mimini rafikyako nanuviako Kristofa lusiga, kamaka waida, um wiki kama blizis o pita, tul kwot ki zmumzia kuhusu uh maswala ya imani je unamini nini imani aumbi nuzamaumbi. Tuli ja dili sana episodia kwanza ni episodia pili, tul zmumzia nam na mbavio kanisa, kwa namamna mwja winy gine lime limekwana hiyo changamoto yanamna mbavio ina konduct maswala ya ki iman. Kutuka kwa na kumwa mini mung mpaka kufika tuwa mbapo. Ziri acts of faith, yama matendo wambore na ndana na imani tuna ya mini napnea weka, ak kanapasya mungu. So tulikwa na episode mbiri, episode one and episode two, kamo me kosa nenda kwene channel ya tik podcast, kwenye all online audio platforms, spotify, na nginezo zote, then you can be able to listen. Na wkafatiria kwa jiria se season the episode three. Yea somoletu. Ambapu leo niko na kakaangu na molimuang, brother faith shimba. Um ni tamani tuenaye na pja diri he mother hapana pale. Nadua he has a lot and he has anajua takuna very constructive input on this topic.

SPEAKER_06 1:26

So, Karibsana brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Sandisana.

SPEAKER_06 1:31

So gese ya all edi is toy kuni frame. Alright, so Karibsana brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Sandisana.

SPEAKER_06 1:38

Um Nashku kwa kukubali kuwe pokune session.

SPEAKER_05 1:44

Um na na you uh uh it's going to be one of the very meaningful session kataka podcast at tikba na mampuana buenele hub. So so yeah, sure, sure. Um so till na episode zap tikba kusu topic a money. Na, of course, kirichun is kuma ku kuzu mzeiin ni mambu to na windere canisan. Nam nam bavio um what wame invest so much into practices now now read in one way or another to nasa how nani to na mumba and when then we concentrate much on nani to ni nitu na kio, and ni nitu nafanya quadresa obene like the means has become the end. Is this a real problem how ni illusion zang?

SPEAKER_03 2:47

No, I tasema tizo kunangina sema sita tiza kini hatakama nita tizo sita tiso chipia no allague sabu in a Christiano song biblia can tress itabanola trista.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Jiza m tende mi ujiza o katunggine n di ya dio fanya what find of mungwa was yeo. Yap wasababu sasa tuba kunyezanwa za kanisa unezo ka tristangwa katywa yesu. Pakatiatu ali umfu twa disema tende mujiza twonet kwa me. Kini napenda za ide uhana sita pasabu pale tuno ktana yesupa aada ya kua metenda mwiza flat watu mepula u me shiba. A nundoka na kwenda mali pengine kwendle na mishinyake. Eseaki asuby watu anamka o mono nzama shua hazipo, do is n wana tafuta tafuto nakota abari puapi wanakwenda. Wanam kuta kua na mbwa e walingu skaliniu. Abiaha, nya chyu mapuze. Nan tafuta sipa sababu nyigine pasabu mli kura. Anapwanza kuwapa veriu mini nya kumfuata, padwana za kuhuhu miumana.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

Eventu wanamskia nawiza nafunzakina nyin natakoto, ekota na pata ive statement inapendo sa novamba kwende waki poknomanele ozio.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

Anapki to resum zia pw ni fromag mistaken episode two, episode one, episode two, to resumze umfano. Um na my point was Mini kwana reflect kina to kea komfan. Sisilaba muhubiri, akitokea kafanya mujiza, kamen ki kwene karin to church mhubiria me fanya mugiza ori samaki banka kita tano something like. Sama kua tano na ikata magimu, mikata mia sma kwa kwa chaturi kwa me. Ukoko samako.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Something like that. It doesn't matter, like in the yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:53

So, umikana fikiriya, inge wakone set yeah kanisa leo. Katangas, jamaniye keshosa, we do it again.

SPEAKER_04 5:06

He is an ishidaya wa kubiri awa tumish.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

Kuliko shidaya wa sabuhaikuisha wayes. Kienda kwanyi matenda metumi noktana episodi zanam nayu.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

Tetuana fanya mi wujiza ha wuse mwisana kin anapo mbea wat, wwa e kabikono a jeza ronta watifu, saimon magnus saimon mchai kwe tafsire k swaidi, antaku mwa kile kipa. Kwani kwa sab piya nayeya ripwa me wa shanga zawatu kamewizayake, la kinya kawona uni iza mkubo. Ko ishiya watu kufota miwjiza hajjanza leo, kienda na mkuta, hauna panapa, wantaka kwa budio, kasabu tu walifanya mambbo, paka mojya ka itwa nizeu, mwengine nani, kwa ma jina ya kwaamba mojali rikwa mungu mwgeni mse majwaki kwa nam namba vi kuana udumu, akini kwasabu wali juwa, mi ujiza is not the end, akin na wao, si wateda mi ujiza yra niveso zakpetisha mewjiza, orai, wwana jaribu ku walubi sha watu mahalisa hi. Pawu wakate nta kwa budua nwwzaza ywana tasis nibi na dam kama, nii. Wiyo, kienda kwany matu akurintu wa kwanza, nafkiliri moje ishirinatatu, pawula nwa kumbushu wa korinto piya kwamba, ishuni kumubiri kristo. Lakini kwa korinto ileo ki anza nsura gyeo wa korintu wa kwanza, kumenambini pawa kmenanle. Paula na dyribu kwa dresi similar, similar thing, lakini, kwa nam namba upengino katimgetu meyona za idi kamana su munziya karama, lakini, tatizo lokwe puni kwamba watwa yona bi pawa na karama, weda ni matende ni ujiza, ukunena pwa luga, ufinginevio, kwambandio, something. Yomana na paula na konklude kwa nysuraya kumana tati kwanba openda should be above everything else, enakwandasuraya kumina nea wianggapia naandea sawant to show you the best way. Kwa tatizu sio mi ujiza, tatizu nhawa tu nautu myoko fanya minikiza. Kwasabu na posuma bibilia k tango kwayesu pa kwa pa kwa kwa itume, mi ujiza irifanyika lakini wao, mi ujiza ili kuani alama ya kua pele kakuat kwa yes, mi ujiza hai kuwa mwisho katika e nye. It was not the end in themselves. Lakini li kwani signpost, ya u alama u kama kibao chamta, kina chokwa mbia, oke, u ni mtawa wakov, yea. Kina o nyesha wule keo payo miwjiza ili it, mi ujiza inapaso kuwe po la kini shida ni kwa namam na gantunaitumiya.

SPEAKER_05 7:42

Okay. So um there is a problem m kweni kwa mana ya ufaham wa miracle perfor. Is it issue ufaham wa miracle performance? Auni attitude of the heart.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

Seti ni swa re sje pe.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Namboha wana ufahabjomana deblinama mawnyye meng be kwamba na ngia kwenye ubumahawa de kumabia closh.

unknown 8:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Partinbaya ni kwambaleo kwenga ngya kwenye ubumarakinyye u kumam hawaka. Kwa nawitu bijambo mojala kiny ku kuma weze kuengiya kwenya hubuma ni swa lingdini.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

Kwangalia kwa nfana paolo. Uh-huh, ich kwam de mref sa na kwanza hubuma mboriri onekana if you read your Bible proper. Ki mwangalia yes, esep na miyaka kumenambidi na jaribuki do la kine na potea na rudye kwa miyakransiri inakik. Bitumu riteji wukana yesu for at least three and a half years. Put yifunza tu how to handle things. Ako yo ikko changamoti awatu kutu pujuwa kumane waliwa na udum la kine piya liko tatizu la kwamba. Katimungino ksya anza kuonu na tumia, wazab karama za mungwa zine majuutu aneza kenle ku tubiha ifu wata gama wyompotea, wa twa na anza kfiki li kwamba sa te ken do something. Tiye la ozbo nia rienda india miya kahio, kafanya ni ugiza rikwondoka jikwawakeli kenele bori na ponywa. Tia la uzbon nia kasema kateni fi pande dipande wa bevi wat. Akinia lipuana mentam zuye yombiya pano sifanyye watuwa tanza kuwa budu, bwa kabereka e second order, ichomemoto. Iriwatu wa si anze kumwabudu yeye kama tiye losbon, bakini wa rudu waji u kwa mniujize i lifanyye kana kamangu ya mungu libaki kwany jukwa inafonyye. Si kwasabu tiel hosbon was something extraordinary na ni kosab mungu el kwa mi fanye. Foio, changamoto l lioponi ufaham na si tu wa wa tenda nyuiza la kini pia wawale wa nawa ndakazan. Unfortunat fede mi ni mi ujiza ni kame no nekana kujibu maita jetu ya maishe. And that was my question. Na kosabi no nekana kujimu maita jetu ya maisheye kila siku, watu be capitolize kwenye shidaza watu, na wakasahao wapereka watu kwa yesu.

SPEAKER_05 10:03

If people are coming, kani si and they don't see miracles happen. Wanasbabi ya kuja keshua.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Sorry ako use the panza wja ktafani.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

Yes, they come for God, maybe, but our our japon na no na umwa and someone else tanan sema mungu ibo ywa napu an ana anaponya.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

Avi andani. The problem diolikuwa ku kanu hapi mungwa riko sema na nazimu kuya kan sani import. Show me one scripture pamba you must be healed because you've come to chuck. You you if you mimi always wanna sema wamba kuokokasyo garanti ya kutopata matatizu ya wana dam kwa sa matatizu elyoko dunyany ali sababishu na dambi lipo yinggetu niyana na ye su a kuja kuonuwa matatiswa. Sama ill, sam wa not ill, but he is still call. He does it church because he didn't guarantee kwambo kyo dunyane ansi ume kuja kansa nia umewakoka, then that's the end of it. The ken. Kole wanggekuwa niwatu mata jiri kuri kumki mungine yotu, wangekuwa niwatu wjawai ku umwa, wangikuwa niwatu hawana shida. Ya ni mna yu ziki. This is Jesus weki ni pamoji na magonju a ziki nipa moja na changamoto zing kine tuna posapesa, tuna fiwa, and so many other things. The problem ni kwamba kuna wakati ya rianza mafundisha mbao si sa hihi kama yahaya kwawhu ki o koka, utaki ku uma utakikuwa maskini, utaki uyanini. Aki wapasoma biliya. That's not it. Satame tume wali uguwa. Okay. Then why do you expect to be more better than them? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 11:51

So, um but brother faith umetaya wome these things was happening tango tango the first church.

SPEAKER_04 12:04

I think this time around it's too much. It's not too much. It's only kwamba we spia kuya kuele wandeyu. Tuna choiza ksewa ni kwamba bade wamushua karni akumenatisa the modern way of doing miracles and technologia, i kanza kwanda reuni, tu kanza kwenda kwyetipi, tu kanza kwanda wapi, and with the American pomposity and bondwe propagate every man wants to do it. Plus, tulige uza mi uujiza kuangjia ya kufana chachik gro. So we started be having techniques. Na sasa tu naza kutumiya n marketing. Actually, mi uujiza zaivi na tumiga tu kama njia kufanya marketing. Akini, yesu, hakuja edi kufanya mi uujiza, aikudiya po pawa tu kupra kwa nya dambi, whether wuna te doa mu uujiza ula. His goal was the soul of man, not the body. All right. Naskiu hapa wan wana teologiya nyina reze mianza kwa mgriki na k na dualizim. Akini lengu lake la kwanga lili kwani ku kwa roho. Irio kandiomana mali pengine pao na se ma uumba gyuote is groaning u na umia wu ynawumi, uki subiri ku dihi ri shwa kwa wana wamu. Na mana naseba utuetu anjio na chaka. Štavi kwa miri mipia, very popular phrase these days. Kwanin, kwasabu lenwa lipakuyye maraya kwanza ipone kutuwa kwenye uutuma wadap. A kini sikutu nduwa kwyye madara yote adat. Those are two different things. Madara yalambi nipamoja na kifo, nipamoja na marazi, nipamo jana all the things we tuna zozi pata bade adam kutoro kwye. Varum. Kinipustany ede. The rest. Ni matoke oyazak. So sasasa. Shide idiopo ni kwaamba wato na firi kuwa kokoka ni kuwa shielde dikutoka kwe nyye mazara yazambi. Tuna kuwa shielde dikutoka kwe nye yazabu yazambi. Mazara yazambi gama magonju anakifo. There will be there as long as tuna is chiny yawa apa dunyan. Ila ukumu yazambi nabu mwa mini yesu. As my epok. The consequences. Chochotea pandacho mtundichua takachofuna bi nadamwa lipanda ktenadambi, na zambi na matokeo hakika uta kufa.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

Natural death.

SPEAKER_04 14:28

Yes. Though what napenda kse may requa spiritual death. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

That's better. I don't think so. Kun nafkiango kanafkiangwa kwana semma. So, okay, maybe a little bit from the topic. So my friend was saying uh not my friend, but like nafkili the the popular knowledge kwamba wali tenguambali na mungu, but are always like, like the communication, they are having a conversation like one of our total and muse and they're having a normal conversation. I think to me, I think the death was natural death. It's quite a matter of was the matter of when.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

I might be wrong. Walikuwa makeula tundalam to zima mparu mnambiwa mtalila te na konile nbingumpia na nchimpia, so that you can live forever. That's what made them live long. They had access before, so they had that potential and vitality in them. So it took time before it ended. Lakini pia mazingira yawakatiwa, badwaha corrupt as it is today. Kosabu, the environment has been corrupted as a result yeah since kunya, I will use the word virgin creation, the virgin, nature. Believing kuamba ko kurudiku nye natta, we may live longer. Nin science in a za kowinha kuamba kumba ukuri koenda thinking is technology thinking, ni mindeleo, it's actually killing us. Okay, back to free isindi.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

You're killing yourself. It's not good for you. Kwayobe. Kwayo. Mi ujiza, it's not a problem. The problem is, bahade ya mi ujiza u nawere keza watu wapi. That's where the problem is. Kwamba sa tumefika mahali mapu bahadea mi uujiza. Atu erekezi watu kwa yesu. And yomana lewa na kudya na mafua, keshu atakuja na homa, kesho kutwa takudja na shidaya feva, keshokunyingina takuja na shidea muke, nish kuningina takudya na shida makeampigas, kunyingiya takudiya na shinda mefuswakas. Hayosu ma kmambuya mungu, he put things in order. Aliwekakanuni tuzifuat. To be healthy. Sile nguru. Leo sean sina tumbiy ngure anachangamoto. Aki ni kulezi yoneka to kama shheria zakawida. Sileiki u sileikiu sile iiki, he was trying to keep them healthy. Sa watu nazitu kasema maziku n sheriya zakidini, but actually they were just the healthy issues. Yeahwa tu wa li kuwa watumwa they don't know how to live. Give them something so that they can live longer.

SPEAKER_05 17:48

So there I was having a conversation with one of my friends. Happened to kato nazubumza koso iri op something we are discussing with Maisha and then zumza kusu mound and kimoy. Not all the time maombi and a kupa matokewa kimu gis. Afkili mga marachata sana maombi rakufa matokeya kimuugis. But most of the time maombi directs us into the way we should do to get the results.

SPEAKER_04 18:40

Why should he do it for you? What are you doing for him that is so special that he should do a miracle for you?

SPEAKER_05 18:46

I pray in the name of Jesus. So what that's the name I was given in a kuma mamlaka mtiomba kwa i nitawapa.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

Then wa Christo nga kuambal sana kwa hiyo mamlaka.

SPEAKER_05 18:56

So mung is misusing what Jesusabababu to mefanya kitu kwa jiliaki. He pays back. It's that grace.

SPEAKER_04 19:07

I'm saying you're asking a miracle, why should he do a miracle for you? I'm in pain. I'm in pain. So pain is a result of sin. You're living in a sinful world where pain is part and parcel of life. Why should he ease your pain? Why should you pray? Why should you pray? Because you want to commune with your father. Can't you ask for healing? You can, but he may choose to give you or not. The problem is when we think because we prayed, then we must.

SPEAKER_05 19:40

So should we content with that anyway? With what? The answer. Whatever is positive or negative.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

If if you u kamu namao una ombo mefika mahali mbapa unazungumsa na mwu, that means utaanza kuelewa the mind of God. Okayanza kwelewa the mind of God, utaanza kudua whatam going through, if it is in his will or not in his will. Kwa sabu katika kuomba ku namambo matana, tuwombe sausana mapenzia, tuombe kwaimani, tuombe sawa na neno, ukae kamo mewa ukay vizuri na mkeo, na kura jambulingine mele sa mojes. There are like five things for you for your prayers to be answered. Iri, ayo maombi a jibiye manake, mimi wewe if we say you are God, and mimi yo mkristo mlokole, whatever that is, nina kujiya kwaku. Mahombi siyo kujiok se ma mungu, nashidai, nashidai, is a place where you commune, mna zungumza, mna gyenga u shirika. Kasabu husiano that is settled. Kimwa mini yesu husiano is settled. U shirika is something we build the fellowship. Kwenye fellowship undio napo gyu oke kumbe mungwa na waza ivi ku su mimi. Oh, kumbe mungwa merusu hili. Ksa kuna mambo mengine tnapiganaye wa z akini mungwa merusu. So kenvi ilpanu mzuri ni ni paulo na mwiba ke. Awu kasaabwa regyu kongena mungwa naze na lumwamba mara tatini marzotea nabiwai. Ne mayangwiya tosha wwapo za ifu wewe paulo, mimi mungun napo nega na nanguf. Na mwishua sikwa kagundu o ken mepewa mwba u kwa sabi ayare mafunu makubambo samwa else na sema kwamba, nidionamamambwa mbahaya juzum tuku sungunza, kwekwa mafunu ya. Iri ni sijenika jifuna kupita, yet paolo brags in 2 Corinthians, I think eleven. He brags of who he is and what he's done. So, though he says asema tajisifiya uzaifu, but he is braggy. So, asinge pewa ule mwiba, probably could have brag more than that. Nabingina singe kua paula mbaile we most of us revear and one we're making him our role model.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

N stuck seema, ni amachinimekiya from your point.

unknown 21:59

Una

SPEAKER_05 22:02

But you're not communicated with God. That's why you don't understand.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

Wengi hawa ombi. Wengi wa nga kralamika.

SPEAKER_05 22:09

Hawanaombe.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

Kwondo ayani patitu. Akin wengi wa nenda kralamika. Munguiki, mung kile mungwiki. Mimi wama na nyingi napofusya wanasema. Okay, mmefika. I don't do those stuff. They come with they cup, but I can pray anywhere, anyhow. Nazen kanga na wen na naomba. And I will hear what God says. Kosabu nime mejenga hayumausianu. You need to come to a point where you talk with God. Kadiga kuzunggu musa kuna mahalita patanafasi ya kuwe leza mambuyako, kuna wakati wa kuma ombi ni wakati ako kumiskia t naheya na sebanin. Alright. That's why mwa liang zakseman abda wombe samu. Wakikuya leve yesu na wabbiya angra usa mu. Kusabu, it'se process. Kudenga u shirika na mtua ywezi ku jambula kungede katana, you are the only one saying.

SPEAKER_05 23:03

A kini watu nao na i tu miya skuyo yokamba yunye se unity ya kwom.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

Akune se unity akombe u can pray for a second preachers use and pray for a day. You can pray for hours, you can pray for months. You can like no, a one-time prayer, like usuga kunuombi angalao sa image. U nafanya nini uko. Ya ni nini kina chyku weka saa moja. Uye mungu yukuapum nazunggumza nai. Right. Maombi ni two-way traffic. How do you ka sa moja? You are the only one talking. You're waiting in prayer. How do you wait in prayer? Prayer is a place of communication, it's not a place of waiting. Kwye maombi atwendi kusubiri, tuna kwenda kuzungumza, tu na kwenda kupigea story na msela wetu mungu, tu na kwenda kupigya stori na baba. Tsio kwenda kusubiri. Kusubiri ni kama m last time mlipo ngea gasem anta kukuta se m flying wait for me.

SPEAKER_05 24:03

So leo ni moke, dyana ni muktana kipu muoje mikachek. It was funny. Kwamtu moje ekwana se ma um mungwana anataka wumpe kikumi chamda. So chukumi chamde ni masama tat asik kikumi chama saishi nane. A mba katakuma sasash nanu you have to pray in three different sessions. Every session you pray for one hour.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

Hey na konceptya ken nani wongo awazi tu hakuna bibliko besis siya yukitu.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

A metumiye reference ya David aliomba maratatu kwasik. I I don't remember.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

Dawudi aliomba maratatu kwa sik because itikwa ne culture katika judaizi mtioban hatami tume na oono ali kwana salaya. Subbuya wa el kwana salaya sara nka mchana na salaya dion.

SPEAKER_05 24:56

And they did not promote it walibu ku dia kubiri kwa matay.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

That's a point.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

They settled everything kwany acts fifteen. Kwusiana na na Gentiles. Wa kasema jomani, kama ni mambuya judaizim. Musa na watwa. Wa no ta kfuatu afwat. Ha wengine wacheni. Nya. Dawdi aliomba atkwa na muda woo. Na mazingiriusu.

unknown 25:21

Nima.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

Kinipia, uikwane utamaduni aliuji gengea. Na dawdi wapi anasema alipokwa na omba ili kuane kikum chamuda. Because that's a wrong precedence. That's reading your concept into the word. Akuna mahali bibile y nasema kuna kikumi chamuda. Hate ki kukumi chafeza wengini wanahanza ku kihoji kwa sababu originu kikumi kirikwani mazao. O sabdatikono za agraria. Kwa ytu siye ende u kukunakuna.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

Akunaki sa meza ya beio yu meza.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

Lakikumi ya kikua siri miaku, it was almost twenty-five percent. Nakikumi kirikua chyaina tfautiu changwaka chmwaka atatu chamavunu krikwa na kikumi chakulawe na mkeo na duzako na jamazakom paten na kinywaji ki dogo myachu kole wata. Navina junta piguwa mangoksem.

SPEAKER_06 26:14

Yeah, I know. So, we think um are we getting worse on what? On this area?

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Which eri?

SPEAKER_05 26:22

Yeah maombi. We are missing the point. Keeping missing the mark. That is si. Missing the mark is si. Havati. Okay, so my point is. Direction ambo to nayenda. Sahib. Mimi from my experience. Sahibi mtuakyo mba. Any mtua bea na faiya tua any kama wanzunga niomba unakana auko kirohoho wana shida. You don't want to spend time, you don't want to do spiritual things. Mimi na baka uye na dynastics.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Ya koba nasema elia li kuwa kama sis. Yeah. A kaomba kwa bidi. Yes, at you fiss inatumika sa na namiya kami tatu na tafuta kuele wahio bidi alio tumi eliani bi elia nipchi wa sabu ki rudikule. Uh uh. Kwioni bidi ili kwane masa ausiku aw dakika. U na boru di kule koomba mvua iz nyesh.

unknown 27:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

A tu woni ali komba de kanga. Na siku na ombam vwa iniesh. No natwa na mmanainama, ba na inuka andea. Kangali, abado, kama marasabai. Wzi seven hours, was it seven minutes? Was it seven second? Badewa mbiane mewana kawingu kamam kono mdoga sea samfuye na kuye. Hibidi, what does that mean? Is it ti quantify li kunyema sa? Is it quantify li on the what you feel in your heart as a burden? How do you quantify bidi? What do you think? Definition yang maombi ni communication. Now the new testament finish for me. Ni mawasieno dengopsurik.

SPEAKER_05 28:09

Incidence kaza ambazu na skumbuga kone or kone new testament. Ya maombi niapita Aripokua narini. Kwene, I think it's act chapter nine or chapter ten. Aripopwa ta mao nage kuende. So it seems like the guy was alkwame jitenga na kama mi jitani wifunga. He spent some time. Konya was alkua mefunka.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

Sindi?

unknown 28:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:37

If I remember what. Yeah, alkami funga. Nanja difumzidi akazimiya. Ari kazimiya kapata mawan.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

Aiku mifungaskunga. The babu doesn't tell her. Oh kwa mangan. The baby doesn't tell us. Savituna tuna train the oxema twenty one days is a iseki zaza daniel. How do we get those concepts? I think it's religious concepts. Where do we get m fungi sikwish na moja kama danieli? Uambush ngome, uangushiku na kipi, is yesu ali kuja, kamaliza kila kizi tu akafanya kwaam kogo. Is anything wrong with it? It's wrong kwa saabunduhiriu naruja dili wewe. La, vi sa ide zivia yman. Twanza kuru daniele sikusina muya so probably we have to first. Kasavini trend. Wanzuwa mwaka karibu kila kansa nafungas kusalsini, se kwishina mwja siku abaini, sri s kunga, what fo align with ged at the beginning of the year. Gwewewe umewokoka, munguniba bayako, unakanda niake, anakanda niyaku, ame kupa na rom takatifu, awem saidizi waku. Ata ku yulisha yot, you are not aligned y already. Then you have bigger problems. Very big problems. Probably you're not even safe. Kusa kama rom takatifu anakanda niako, you should know what to do at each and every particular moment. Ma nazizo ni kwamba kwasabu ni bina dam. Kuna wakati become busy with the other thing. Kuna itaji yu gitenge, iri kurubisha. Upuliw wa kweza ku sikia vive kutoka kwa mungu. Na hiywa, awwe ka i tengenezea kanuni. Kanuni zina tusa idea kwa mane ya kwamba, son t diaribu kutengengeneza dispinia bajcha. Na kini by themselves. Zina poge uka kuwa sa sandio ndio end. Divut na kwanza kukotez. Ndiomana wa dwenggi wwengwa nanza kwa frustrated na kfunga, frustrated na kuomba kwamba, ha waoni matoke kwa sabu, wwali enda kuomba z if maombi they are the end in themselves. Wa li funga kanakwamba kufunga ndio lengo. Na mimi wwana se ma ifi. Ma ombi na kufunga kaziake kuba siyoko kumb badlisya mum. Ira ni kunibadilisha mimi ninee funga na kuomba iri nielewe the mind of go. O the mind of Chris. Kwasak mungwa badli. Mungu iku filifle. Aadizake nivilivle. Shida ni mimi kujua sasa sale o mwakahu mungo me nepangiya ni. Na iri ni juyye ni nazimi pate mudu wa kuongiya nawewe krisu mewa juusi. Huwezi kujua mwaze mke ako kama mwungei. Awezi kujuye mawazi ako kama mwongei. Mnezem kabakya kuwa strangersu awidu kenyumba mwdiya mlio mganishua tuna kle kiapu parekansak. Lakini ni mtaka po anza kujeka u shirika. Kuna manenu kwekingereza kisu edi anakwa sekana. Intimacy. You have to be intimate with god. Uwe muo takfika miya kametano sita bade uta anza kujuu ku. Unezo kani tumiye neno iri, unezo kanza ku predikt kuwa kwaiki kinutokem kyanwa ta behvi. Nifika mahali mefahamiya naya ta kwa na djua. Aki kwana twa jualeo krisia livoru divi. Apatani simurize ki. Twachen mwe chakura na majdi. Nemwachi. Kama nagale tvia angali ani simbulize ki. Nakin sa eze wzaka nkam na bishana mna pishana kidoko sabado. Kwa tun teke tufike hapu kwa mung kwaamba ufike mahali mbapu. You don't second guess god. Tum na mara ningi kwyye ma mumbbietu na kfunga kwetu is because we second guess god. Probabe this is what he wants. Probably this is what he wants.

SPEAKER_05 32:28

Oh, this is what he wants me to do.

SPEAKER_04 32:30

Yes, we second guess. Kwa ninin, at diapatamuda wa kubianga ukshirika, kuwa intimate, kuwa friends, andasema siwa eiti nii, ira ni mwaita nani.

SPEAKER_05 32:40

Rafiki.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Rafiki nimtuambaya, you spent time with him pakam na fahamiyana, o nasema urafiki siyoko fanana ni kufaana zio. Irim fahane, ni kumba mefika mali you trust each other, you can tell each other secrets. Ibrahim wa kayiko rafiki wananan. He spent time with God. He knew how to communicate with God.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

Kakashima, spending time with God, you're certain one day is of prayer.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

That's not spending time with God, that's torturing yourself.

SPEAKER_05 33:09

What is spending time with God?

SPEAKER_04 33:10

He's living in you. You are in him. Take time to tune your spirit to his frequence. Let me use those names, those words. Tune yourself to the frequence of God. Don't bring God into your frequency. Yes. She then kumbatu atakuum leta mungu kwenye environment yet. And he mentioned things.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Wow. We need a reform. We don't need reform. We need transformation. What's the difference? Big difference. I'm giving you that aside. The difference between reform and transformation.

SPEAKER_04 34:08

That will be a topic for another day to discuss why the church needs transformation and not reformation. Maombi mengiamis o it. Kosabab waku wanaenda kura la me kambele zamung. Badalaya kwenda ku nafta u shiri kana mw. Watona kwenda kulia. Badala ya ku zungumza na kuskiamung wana se manini ku niku piao. E kweli kuna wakatuneza kwa emotion. Tatune zetu katumele andigo kwa uko deakapu wok, koza kutamko. Akini kamaroho tutam rusu atu oome. Kwa naza tutaju ni wakatigani, god is ready to listen. God has given us the time to talk. Hatokotuna second gets.

SPEAKER_05 35:09

Wala mala yika. Sita mwerewa.

SPEAKER_04 35:13

Wuane imba uikama mung ukondan nyake na ye ukundan nyo amung. Urojo wimbo. Nimu sikia ki pande lakini nami baha timba nekishasikia ka uli moja tukanyo imboamba is theological wrong, not scriptural right lakini. But very famous. Ni famous kwa sababu. It's emotion. It's touch it's emotion. It's just too emotional. Ina jibu, nam na mbabio sisi t bataka mungwa fine. Kama mmu mwe sika mhalu neza kumambia mungu aje mwenye mwinggi nakikutumiam djumba uta mwerewa, he has stopped being god, he has become youa seven. Mungwa nataka t mwende kwa vi wangoviake, na kwa staiake, siu kwa vi wangovietu na staye. So we said him sta. Mungwa isha se ma malaika ndi uwa tumishweku. Mungwa mese makuna mwana dama take mwuna ka ishu nataka mungu agyi mwamwa kwana k dengunile. Ksa wwa kishuka, you have to die.

SPEAKER_05 36:14

Sinina se ma kishuka, you have to die. Are you ready to die? Kashima ni expression. Someone has to ex. There is a way of expressing things. Kwaba wwana mkubu ya ni ishu miye.

SPEAKER_04 36:24

Basikama ni hivo, probably ule wimbo riku ni wa kwa ke kwa ma zingila ali u kuana pitiya, it was not for everybody. Right. Kwamba kuna nyimbo zingini kwasabu mungu ni na pita mahali, ne kapata ufu vio wakwimba kitu fulani, kikanipa matokeo, then I think it's for everybody. Nami wanasema hata mahubiri. Kuna wakatu nezo kapata ufunu na kuusu wewe na dambulaku wakatiwo. Kitoka katuhubiri a ukuto kwa mu maleta heres. But it worked for you. Because God answered you specifically, not everybody else. Kusa bumungwa jafungwa kunivlivi tapu skinasi. Chachiote na chafanya kita kuwa in line na kiri. Akinsio kila kit kimeandi omle. Kwekuno wakate ata kupo funu kutokalene ulilo soma. Lakini ufunu ulu kiamwa kwa anza kutufun disha sisiwa twato tanza kuambia hiki no chasema. Lakini kunande kolingine nasema yunaline se, kuhiki mna chema kina pingana nahaya mengine, yu t. But it worked before you, kwa sabu mongwa tea jibma ku sousi.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

Kwako wewe. Alright, so we go back then. Kwamba kunafitu ambavo trunzu kabifanya. Amba u maybe tunabifana kama routin, kuni kira siku kuni bada na fellowship. Ambavu uh so and so seven of God, uh prophet what or soever, ame vileta. Abafidi wak kwa ke in mwa one or two incidents, iri kunu kwa jiliake, like in a epokwa jiliya the mass consumption.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

Akin it was not meant to be repeated death.

SPEAKER_05 38:14

Exactly. Exact.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

Nik wana wakatumungini wanafika mayu wananza ffanya masinga umpwana maigizu kwasababu, anagungo is not working anymore. But he wants to keep the facade.

SPEAKER_05 38:28

So nafkivya kuna nam naba voatu anataka tubu kubaikikua relevant. Ah, tna posemahiri. Themsel.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Juwa mungo me kuitiaku fajani. Namkumbu kana ni alia na kumbiapao. Do you read about him ano? He did what he was called to do. He did his assignment and off he went. Shida ni kwamba ka chmunginumato assignment mo yetiakuna mumbeaki pofa naito Christopher Usiga. Apone, and that's it. Your story in show wunataka wombabi pofu inin awake in a week. Yes, kasababu kuna tofauti yakumu to mikiamung. Nakunatofauti ya kutumika na bungu. Way wanabutumikiamungina. Nakwasabu wa to miki inamung. Binakwendele ako nakana wako deliva. Kanipiakuna bawa lisha potes. Kuba tsa mungungu akikutuma. Mission razima yuenamwanzu na mushu. Weamekupa mission of a lifety. How was it for a specific people? Paolo is a good example. Ami wanasema Paolo ali kwam puzio akatimugi. Ma pigu mengina lio pata ali kua ku ditakia. He had a specific mission to the Gentiles. Wafia li kwana figwa? Kila lipo yaribu kwenda kwa Jews. Because he was not sent to the Jews. Everywhere he got trouble is because of his fellow Jews. Akindi uya nasema kwa nye romans kwaamba fazali mi romans or somewhere els. Kwamba natamani basya ende jahanam lagin du guzake wa? Why? He loved his brothers kwasabu aliona uzuriwa yesu. Him being a Pharisee, aliona ni kwa nam nagani wa mepotea. Yeah. Aki ni mishiniaki ni kwa gentiles. I've never seen it that way. Kwayo, kila mara aliporubiya nataka anze na Jews. E wwana juice kobano. Half badeana jsi fiya kwa bali kwana timiza mate sea Kristo katikawa. This is just poor say inse. Kama nawa se mata mimi na rowa wwana. Naya menkina likuwa na tu pastonla. If you ask. Kasa in places he didn't do what he was called. Basabu al kuazilas, akatamani nawandu guzangu na wawa, but you wwa wiji atunu wakina lusiga wata kupiga tu me tungu wakina shimba naenda wakina shimba.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

Kakashimba, are you implying kwamba because I'm experiencing difficulties, I was not sent by God to do this specific assignment.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

That's not what I'm implying. What I'm saying, some difficulties to najileftia ko sab to natoka nje witu do yobewa.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

So the difficulties are meant to take us back to the cause. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

There are times mungwater to be a difficulty kuko ubisha to the cause. To the cause. Nen there are causes of difficulties is pat and paset. So these are two different things.

SPEAKER_05 42:04

But wanapunzi water walipata mateso kwandubuzao. Akunambaya lipata shida akma. How is different?

SPEAKER_04 42:13

Actually wanafunzi wengali patamateso fight from gentile.

SPEAKER_05 42:18

Really?

SPEAKER_04 42:18

Yes, read church history.

SPEAKER_05 42:23

Gentile zwa wal kuwa wana kitu gain against the first church.

SPEAKER_04 42:29

I don't know. Aki barfun lengwali teso na gentile. Roman mzuri ni ni yohat. Waliom tes, waliom fanyan nini ni romans. Ata kanisa la kwanza mate suma kububo nia pata kwa gentiles. Na kwa roma. But po is exception. Changamoto za kenyingi mbazwa naziye lezea, onaposuma matendo me tumena nyara kazake, sina toka kwaya waya hudi na ni kwa saabu wa li kuwa na tamani anakiri mwyewe, kwa mba anata man, kwa ya hudi wa ukoke. So hi was trying na ni kama lifanya ni ndio nanyyake. Nesha kifika la zima nziye kwa ya hudika bla jenda kwa gentile. Ni ma ineoma chachesana lienda kwa ya hudia kupatashi. Ba yudi wana funga. Se kung kapi si di wana semma uyu. La zima tumuwe atulimpaka. Si gentile. Actually Paula li kwanu kolewa s edi na gentile, kuna wayawun. So his mission was different.

SPEAKER_05 43:36

Nice.

SPEAKER_06 43:38

All right.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

So exact same. We need reform, we need transformation. But anyways, that you are thinking being good.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

But um be won a good afternoon.

SPEAKER_05 43:50

Whatever, that should be for another time. I can minimize a joke. It pisses me off. What pisses you off? The way things are which you see, I'm not another.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

And sometimes I think so nofanya makes you to do. That's the only thing they know. Kosabuari Mola, Christopher Baba Bayao and Gigana Fanya, and they are grown up, they do the same. That's the only thing they do. They know. Church is good business. Alright. And the devil also is starting churches. That's the name of Jesus. So there's a lot of things. Why are you surprised? Every era, every epoch in time of where the church has been, these things have spit there.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

One hope or one.

SPEAKER_05 45:09

Do you have your favorite gospel?

SPEAKER_01 45:12

I know. Because I don't. You don't like music. I do, but I don't have a favorite.

SPEAKER_04 45:23

Why? You're weird. Yes, I am weird. I don't have a favorite because a lot of those are good emotions. But they exactly a lot of those, but they are not pointing people to crack. Or they are not helping them to mount. Or they are not helping them to grow crack. So yes, I listen to gospel and I prefer to listen audio than watch the videos. Once I see the video, that's the end of it. So yes, I'm here. I don't have a fabric.

SPEAKER_05 46:23

So make a statement. So here was a point. Zote is make business, business or real. A kosababu.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

So those are artists. So they are doing art. That's what I said. We are not teaching the word of God in church. As a result, the songs are not based on the word of God. You don't have a right to make one a pentakiza wadiosoma kamanium, skiza tedi nimbo zakigreza, kosabu nyingi they are based on the word. Aki niko sabu nyingi zili imbu kamane zaburi watwa diimba zaburi. Yumano wi kuta a so muri kalangu na waliu zidi wengwa na pena nyimbo za mane wasabuangala walipowa naimba the scriptures. Leo watwa naimba mawazo, awutaf siri wanazu admisai, awunav na mbabi wana taka mungu awatende awu awekwa. Siya dia buimbo zauto so nekwenda leo puriko jana, atan wana ni kosp.

SPEAKER_05 48:11

Mea, weird. Yea no de ka nekasema. Mmubi wetehana akia kutwambio mbunim wa ubi wa imbaju nemba kubaya, kaba tujakabwa not siza zama ubiriaki. Zamo wbiri nauskizo niawa yim betwe a they preach nansen. Moso famous richel.

SPEAKER_04 48:33

Shidenu kwaama sasai elaptanap wanwa kwe. Yeah kwa jayote. Actually sasaivi atunha ubi s no motivational pokers wenkwana tu mebibi. Self help in content yanem we may say kuko be the white charter side all over to the world. Watch artis that your manna weng gonna capitalize when you cut after me u diz ail kwe puka kuka kwa yene.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Sam kuka kuye nelu is expensive. And it means display.

SPEAKER_04 49:18

Suit display. Ukianza kuka kwa nye neno. The first person it will deal with is you you. Watawa ta kwa dealt with. Wa beba se in that car. Ukianza kuka kwa nyye neno, you are the first person to be dealt with. Naleo atu pati kuona mabadliku diapaya maubili me kwa sabiyali ma ubiri, they have never changed the person, so they don't have life. Kusa buyata kuba diricha walaya kemita maisha kwako ya kleita may shakwako then you can trans you can transfer that life to somebody else. Leo tuna content tingia kichwa good yemenutics, good public speaking, good yorashi oration. Kwe paina tfaut na spexias. The only difference wa taino uzima wna patakara wuna pot wamugda, kwenyye neno, dinaza ku kubadlisha we din aweka uzima ndanya ko then you can't share that life with somebody. That's why yoga chungine sevi uta na rajike bidi wwakamzi prin pekya. Keneli pata muda sa kap you kuja dama ubidi a wakamzi pastor. Uripata muda wapi u kuja dama ubidiya waka, wasani senior pastor. Principal pastor. He stays in church two all the week sowa. Muda kuja na upidi awaka mzmuyopata wap when did you pray? When did you sit down and uh meditate?

SPEAKER_01 51:11

So, what do you have to say about the church? About what about Jesus need to go back to Christ meujiza?

SPEAKER_04 51:22

Yes. Repentance, not the manifestations. That's where the church will be in its right place. But all in all, there are always remnants. I don't know if you and me are among them, but you know, canisa kamari me kwa je, but always wap. Na remnants, sikuzot. Hawasi. Yo mane ye a gasemani baki peke, yeah. A kambiwa kwaanga. Ya sabba. Miyasaba myself sabba. Yere miya naye forty years in a pigang wambia mungu ne baki pekangu andya kuna barucha mefityo yingineo. Remnants. Wap. Kusa chi it's not debapla. It's not about being old. It's about touching people's lives, bringing them to Christ, discipling them. Shida nyingida kana sa neo. Atwafanyu atuwa na fold. T ni wafanyu atuwa fwas. Way too. Ideally shiny wafwasu wa nini likeinis ni wafwas. How and do a mboa kya mbewa ku nyu any dam miangu namwu yuang.

SPEAKER_05 52:47

Wa dauginakati. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

I thought different. Kosabuya kuamkata. Mamkate ako youang. Oh kaza bo.

SPEAKER_05 52:59

So the whole idea mkata na mkati was about the message was about himself. It was not necessarily about feeding the five thousand people. That was the message.

SPEAKER_04 53:12

Yes, uni mukate. He didn't come to fulfill our needs. He came to save us from sin. In the process, your needs may be met. But it's not a guarantee.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

And he and a braish way. Na mapanikyo at working.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Pademafanikyo ya mungu kwakonini. I think justice of these people. You you're happy when you have. You're not answering my question. Yani mungu idiasem freya mafaniku. Yanye mungu, and a posema mafaniku, kwako Christopher. What does he keep mean? I should also be happy. What makes you happy? Good health. He says the joy of the Lord is my strength. And do you have the joy of the law? What is the joy of the Lord? Then go find it. Because once you have it, everything else becomes immaterial, insignificant.

SPEAKER_05 54:27

So the joy of the Lord is to see people in repentance.

SPEAKER_04 54:31

I don't know. That's the joy of the Lord. For me, it might be that, for you it might be something else. What is the joy of the Lord in your life? Which will give you strength, which will make you happy. And as long as you are living here, situations will change. So you may never be happy all the time. But you can have joy regardless. It's joy ra. I don't know which one is ra, which one is furah. Ra ha naf kirindi your happiness and joy is the furra. One is a situational context, the other one is timeless. And it does not depend on what is around it.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

Asan, I don't know if I've answered your question or created more.

SPEAKER_05 55:55

Yes, you have answered most of my questions. And by the way, Umeon, you have spoken my mind in so many ways. Thank you very much. You welcome and then die. Yeah, we'll have another session some other time about something else. And thank you for your uh time. Uh Gari Bishwana, Chris. Alright, so um today we had Kaka Faith Shimba and Bilashaka. This was very um insightful session that we have had. The um sessionity of kwazas tikfa tokiwana mgeny, and we'll be having more of people and bao. Will I think we need them to hear them out what they have to say about different topics and bazoja dri Papa TikTok Hassante Nimini Christopher Rusiga Utoka TikTok podcast? Have a very good turning.