AI, Ibada na Kanisa: A Conversation with Pastor Delphinus Rwegasira

Katika episode hii ya Tikvah Podcast, tunakaa na Pastor Del kuzungumza kuhusu Artificial Intelligence na nafasi yake ndani ya Kanisa.

Je, AI inaweza kutumika kama tool kwenye worship, teaching, na Christian content creation? Au Kanisa linapaswa kuwa makini zaidi?

This conversation is about wisdom, discernment, biblical truth, and keeping Christ at the center in a fast-changing world.

AI inaweza kuwa tool, but Christ remains the center.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Habari, kaributena kwene tikfa podcast mimi niirafki ako nwiyako Kristoffa Usiga na tuna kushukuru kwa wotemba wanenerea kufatiya episod zambazo tumoko kiziya chia kwenya online platforms. Tukuna tikfa podcast channel kwene spotify na all online audio streaming platforms. Una ezo katu fatilia nakutata kinipia kenda kone bawa yang uya kune Instagram Chris Johnson LG ukienda pali kone bayu to una linkamboita kupeka mudia kumoja kwenya wa uh broadcasting channel bo ezo kaskilize episod zotem pakasasaknu episod nne na mara mwisho tu yechi episod yambia kwa kwe difana bzurisana ya kukusu AI na tulikuwa nafkiangun anuyang innocent mwodilo, tulukwa tu kizu mumzana fasi ya AI kwye worship and creativity in a church, na maineo ya kanisa in composing songs, na mn na vitu kamego. So, kwa liamboha wa ye skriza bado, as I say den nibu kuja kuwele keza hapu kwamba, ukenakwane online platform, write tikva podcast, utangaliya na kufatiria hizo channels zoti mbazo tu meku wate kwiziskriza. So kwa li mbowa mekuwa kitufatiriya asanteni sana na before father ju na taka ni wape honggera kido. Thank you very much, asanteni sana kwa kutufatiria na mungwa bareki. So to date na nendeleya na itakwani episode yatano tik the podcast na leo tutakwana mgeni mwunggine, oh yes, toko t neleya kuja dili ku husu AI. Topike AI bada ja isha kwas babu ime pata uh a lot of tension. Na wa tu they have a lot to say about this. Kwoni mwnerea tue nana na fast ningine, yakwa na mgeni mwgine. Leo mbeliangu hapa ni nae uhungaji. Umaka ni ni ni ni mwereze vizuri ba yaket nisjenika ekosea. Ni kuna pasta definas wega siya, tumzdeok wita pasta, mini mezok mwita pasta del ni assistant pastor wa K C M Chochamana B C A G. A nimtuambaya na background um na mnim talam wa theologia, yukana background your business and finance, piani a businessman, a husband, and a father. Wa yoleu hatuna tum chunga, you kuni studia la kini tuna mtuambaye an ele wa kuhusu ministry na elewa maisha ya kawaida, na interaction ya uh technology and everything, an elewa business word, na anaweza kupusedia kufiki ku Pana kuhusu ne Pasta Wegasia kadibsan.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Asante Christopha.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

So ask. Ni meziok mi nemeze kucha pastadel. Which one do you prefer, Pastadel or Pastor Regasia?

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Yo the sa wasabu regassilla the son name. Right. Del ni nickname. Del ni mickname ni uh nickname ya tango tort. Kwa ni pokone ki kua mi my name with delfin. Delfin. Kwayo de pokone ki kua home nickname daily daily daily. So ni kawana shanga.

unknown 3:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

At first the paspend him tonite daily na gama.

unknown 3:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

And an imagana go on the can you nickname it's a good nickname, but see the may accept daily.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

All right. Nino pasta delina swagger.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Aye, aye. Oh, that's okay. That's all.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Alright. So uh anyway, this ni uh joyo wanna to kaka gera. Yeah, right so what you know, the finus, uh romanus uh, talam flan.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Okay. I wanna imagine a Catholic How Delphina it's an Italian name. So Babia wa Catholic walk up the son and Kagera Mosh. Okay, my cosinik logo. Catholic, something to do with Catholic.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Yeah. Pastor Mini me umokfam. Tango with m be na if I can tell, Tango Fmina Kumna Tat.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Okay Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Um na Nimakuskioki ubiri maraningi. Where if it mtaki niambia ni kuereze kuharaka before we become a pastor. Umakwa ummasuam zumbe. Yes. Um finance, right? Ummasu, is it Kampala University? Kampala University. So I can tell u kuwa uko na unam ambitions, uhnadiono kuwa kwin business area, u kififanya biya shara, uki me in your business, u kifanya pinance. How did you find yourself pastor?

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah, it's a long story. Growing up, me likua, I was not a bit born again.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

So nilibukua kidatucker. All right. A lapo yeah, Kwanja po's, usually to call up it. I was dumb by the na at fast at fast cabisa. No regard.

unknown 6:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Mun yeah it. Ya and yes. And I'm dani, could you more alikuan for this?

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Kwa you aka lika develop interest, alikuana fanya Bible studies.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Mm.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Bible studies, sake.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Na wesa minia, ko kwa kwa nenda kubi otum tan. Kaneda na k ubiri sangya gwapenasana kingere. Nabimi vozasa from two, from three, and galawanazenka. Mm to kung eleven city. Konias kutaf cityapo. In fact, mwekuno mini knapsiri. Minimas of yeah bala balani na wem to guide.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

No way.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Kwana ubi kingrezo. Minam to sweetis have been an echana mini ubi. Nage. That do it. Sasa kiokwel at first mimini you are my preacher. Uh. Yo cities a kubidi nirianda now. Kwa ni den dira kubilie. When you kyon kwa ifell she kwe tu kasweitas de wh Ipia iso. Nikanda chukikumzumbe sa you said, egan dinakubili. Kwa apart from every other thing interest yankubiku ni kubili. Natan tori kwa ki nambia twenty mchunggaj, miniku anakata. I used to fight what chungai. Mimi skupenda won chungai. Now, sometimes nikwan o no chungaju na badin. Nikkiangali or iso na my shaya or na watu. Mimi sknikwana spendi won chugai. All right. So going to school many just a mazunzone nijua ntajiriwa kinibadaya interprenya na mampoyang. So, going to school, going to mzumbe, iri kwani dalajia la kupa ta jira finance when a benum business finance. Uh unfortunately, sa amina zan happendo me tani descriptya munguke. Idianza, idianziam zoombe kona ting. Samiskumad zoombe. A dia ni de pattern compra nika un dokum zumbe, nekawa then bada koa, nekainda yki pinja s be konta na chule. Bigadeza mza kubi kwenye machule kenye potebu kutana daway sand. Nenakobi. Kw ni kain natina kampa kenakama ivo tru. Kwa yo bada kuja kulu de kuseto dark dog was hassa. Nakanisa, of course, I kuchwam dakanisa live fanya kwam zwa kanisa. All right. Kwani kwaam zoakanisa kum the bref. Fazo kumzokanisa kumakanisae to aya. Nikama do assistant pastor to some extent. Kwa talk ubi do bok fanyan. Lakinibado ni kwana kata, m talk and be m to gajji mi badonakata stack. Nazani kamana se m we don't call ourselves to ministry. Mungu gana tweet. Munguana tweet a yo. Of course, gonna solen def S and testimon like who I found myself accepting the call. Here I am today, me when you pass a full-time past. Full-time past. Though come on, I do business.

unknown 9:38

All right.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Nagy before shara. Now someone shara, nice and be shiara kone cast.

unknown 9:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

So I'm trying my best.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

So this is 2026. Yeah. Um when was when did it start? Um Tangurufaza kubiri garaani. Was it mokagani?

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1998.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

So yeah. Nimakuizo Swari intentionally, 1998. 1908-2026. So um kuta kwa ku na transition kuba sana. Kwamaraya technology na means isa ku kufikia audience. Audience kwa jiliya njili. From nineteen and eight now we are twenty twenty six twenty twenty-six, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Yes. Yeah. So by your experience umona transitioning, yeah, naam nawatu nafana nji.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Which one unafikiri was the most scary or was the most challenging? How kira wakati mbako tuna ngia kwe nye means to fauti. How kitugeni wakina tokeya na namnagani the church wana adopt to that change and transformation?

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Ah, it was the billy, Christopher.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

No kamaldi na pando wa kwanza ni abawa thising penekuya muda. Kamon niongele transition e kwangwa to paton. Kwanye ni kwana revolve vip kwany. Yo preaching na kufundisha no necessary howfu pando appeele. Sorry. Pando appeele ni generali sa nek. Yangia toza general view, yany kumpa bili, maw bili, yana kuta, yana fana technology na fanyani.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Reaction ya kanisa on that area. Wa inakwaji, if you summarize it, kwaki foot. How would the church adopt to those changes?

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Um changes mbazon kubo kbisa ni fi zina one kana ni visible. Kanisa nakwaga kama hesitant, naza ku reject naza ku na kame witu sove akiro yuvi. Okay. Vekywa vina tokaya. Lakini kwa changes za kawaida, ni re resistance a kawaida nbao to binadamona wana tabiya kukatama badiliko. We are so much comfortable what we are used to do. Any that is the mindset of a human being. And kile kidonbacho, ye ya na ki fa ni ya me kizoya, whether ni wrong, good, uh pendagil abadili shwezo comfort zone. Wa yu la kini komakondaton fano araka raka. Ni me change kubu of co changes kuba zina tukea sasa with the innovation of internet. Lakino kirudi yumakidogu. Kuna vetukama mziki tu. Wagan titu mziki naza ku ku ingiya kadisani. Biduata kama gita watuali ping ata gita, tzana, twana ptiangita kanitani. Vedereho. Kwayo se me neo koitu kontakha. Kuna vitukama mina mina to ginali tangit kweka screen kanisani. But the baunu waka screen. Yanis, you get it. Of one of what the traditional churches kabit sendo bo kabi. So Catholic America screen about woman dira. Oh yeah. I was the notice comba yahawkay. Yeah, no keep your tradition now all that. No, you mandiko what I sob to me a gombol and yeah. You understand? Kwa you like in a pras or minus technology na in a later to map. Ata vitu via kawa idea to atta mava situ.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Hm.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Kanisa guna mavaziri dia mini doakiro tokea puna jines kanisan covimekwa vitu. Ifovimokovina tokea. Right. To be honest. Technology advancement, ime letter, ime letter uh conflict in a kanisa.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Kidambach, whatever. Nakumbuka mimi uh growing up, um pika kanisani sana. Klukoku nao, kuku nam kwara oran wake ku weka to downu.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Nakumbuka that was once the problem.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Yeah. Okay. Nava wigi. Yeah, yeah. But introduce the lamb bar uh things in traditional technology. So and I didn't end it up the bob here.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

Yeah, so we we we have AI. Yes. AI artificial intelligence. Na pikini mimi, homriwangu, na mabadili k taken odia, this is the biggest challenge. Na mimi ni kokona corporate word. See you to kwa kanisa peka kinichangamoto mpaka kwana corporates. Nam na babu bitubi naenda na bitubi go zueleka kwenda na nam na bitubina. So sahivi, kwas Pia AI. So you as a preacher, every time AI inapo tadwa ku sika kwenye eit worship or mandalizi, akmahudiri, or anything, kuko kuna intervention yea AI, what comes in your mind first?

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Ah Christopher, na petyoga United Nations warning wama uh digital development in a badika in out human ability and to end and adapt it.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Digital development in a kuasana kuliko we menu. So it's a problem. Now you know the warning when we to United Nations. You gonna so at commodium and sema wanna sema professor it took fifty years. Fifty years. It took fifty years, or country may go into use sim telephone. It took fifty years or what a million years with an innovation come on smartphone. Technology was a cabla uh second world war. It took hundred years.

unknown 17:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

It took hundred years. That's easy. But I uh second world war from the 60s now. It's a kwe nachku arabda 25 years. That's easy. AI. It took hours. They just need hours.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

And then exponential.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Exponential. I didn't need to exponential curve. It is rapid growth. AI is okay to keep on the kwa trauma. I don't know if Kamara ni na rubiko sa baka just giving a little bit of yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

So what comes in your head every time?

SPEAKER_01 18:30

I don't know in the next skeptical. Because Abu is purely it's very good to be honest. But in the comments of women.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

What worse could happen? What worse could happen with AI now canisa and how the church conducts itself.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

AI in a tool. AI by itself in a tool. I like that. Yes, any gama kitshoka. Kali. It's a deadly whip on any. In a fanacas in Zuri Mekwanosa Salak, I will business. Autonate a high risk, high return.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

AI in a high risk. All right. Now high return.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

But in in business, you you go for that. You go for something with a high risk and high return.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Calculated list. What you are willing to lose. At a command high risk, like in the are you willing to lose that? That is what you go for. You don't risk what you are not willing to lose.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Lakini ni tuna poteza when we encourage the use of AI concern.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Ah, I'm a preacher. Uh-huh. I'm a preacher. Uh before introduction of internet.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Of course.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

That was the point of my first question. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Uhangal mini mobile kati kakunga internet. Well, the times when you call not a cure, kataka uumbe, you really have to go to life rack. So me, alright. So me betabu, subtema concordance, a reference, and go, taf ter objectefu. Na, kuna vito or koki o katulo ona ona tafuta yo preparation on a fanja ku ku bili. It one time Zuri Sanar objecatif. Babu mafunue kuja na ni na ni. AI, eli poengiya, a internet, kuna kati ni makuni kitakaku anamobili. Enga wony internet. Na jerebuku miya kama source. Kitunacho najerebuko akadia asimadi. A macho nibundu wasason. Aye. Na na mini inaffecto obiruences. Mobili wagov on yi chances. Zakwacha kumtegemea roho mtakat. Tief. Now take a meah. A I how? Because a babu, and I won't honorise. Okay. So by then onga catching, you're take time. When you are teachings, is you know germinate from meditation.

unknown 22:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Personal encounter with God. Those in a later. That is what resort into whatever you do in that spirit. You know AI in over in a in organized data.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Yeah, in a collect sources to vote.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

This is nehma, iko evi, ko evi. So, unase e koy mekura si shekeswamba, you don't get tina time ku meditate.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Kwa kina kuakama kreek so siakani kreativity. Wakanti social mobina medio spiritu.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

So, Pasta, okay. On that, nataka ni kuele. Mtuanea ane anda konfoundation. Anae pili, bahu wana seminar what soe. La zima fanyi studi.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Very good.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Very important. Right? A fanya study. Na study itahusisha references. Atasoma itabu atasoma iso ko inera the concord.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Concordance.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Concordance.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

In the dictionary, yeah. Yeah, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

So, atasoma translations, atasoma little photo poti, and shapundish buttons.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

That's my twengine to you. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 24:01

Ah.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

So, in my opinion, in my view, ninawana AI, inaku rahisishiya sasa, is what details and bazu penguine you could have taken a day to collect them and have them at one place in a kuzisoma. Now you can have them in ten minutes. A click and a prompt, and then you have all the resources. Now you can read and you can preach. Is it not the advantage?

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Yeah, it looks like a makes idea. Looks like a moks idea. Nalokayaki. But ille we time ku takum meditate. AI na relationship na mung.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Bitabu have relationship.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

I'll come to that. I know you, I know you you'd have asked that. Okay. AI, I'm a relationship namung. Kwa yo, hata Samoni kanda kanda in a base on data. Kumbuka sisi we we don't just base on data. Kunandiko in a same neno mandiko.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Neno munguleta wzim.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Raw.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Raw munguleta wzim.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Yes. Kwanini. Kata AI inikama mandiko. So you need to get leveration also out of the scriptures. Ambayo, naipata kwa time na mungu kwa time ya preparation. It goes beyond data. It goes beyond having a Bible. It goes beyond having a concordance. That's uh the problem is the AI in Kwama in a in a in a kfanya. We we in a kaleta kitu very profound. Lagini nkama imeleta kitu profound, kwa mtuamba huko prepared.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

I one person pasta kababi and just lose track. Sorry. Ninapo f ninapo kwa na anda biblia. Okay, the with the absence of AI. Nah ni napo tafta reference. What am I looking for? I'm looking for interpretation or revelation.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Um interpretation is basic. Donak patak when ye is a conference in revelation we we simply know. It is niakimu something rob to katifuana later, letakama recommen of someone who's fine. Aye. Itakusany evolve to beote. Sasa revelation attackama iso kuway me talka. Mimi me kujiya da revelation. In revelation lab danim, so ma dananika konnect. We uki so ma tukamama andiko in autos part ili sense in the spirit amo mini li patan ni pona, unibuko yakon kamufu no. Andobano ta ugundua, Christopha, unasukona suman andeko ilo lokelase ku na diona tuna deko. Kunasiku na the so monopata. Kunasekunali so no pata, kitu jatofa utiuno. Apakuna unadu and kuana liona na jua unoko eos asa inspiration, and that is what we want. From AI, you will never get that.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

You never get the revelation.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Unawaza, conclude so you're intending in pastor. I'm just looking fast. No, you because you're trying to call principles. Okay. Principle. AITA like in the bad or you revelation AI, you tell revelation in the spirit.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

So that comes from a long time of reading, study, and meditation. Meditation. Which AI in a kunime that privilege.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Yeah, AI, in spiritual rasness. Okay. We need that exercise. Zaburia meaning a tattoo that only. If I'm not mistaken. Zaburi, miya tattoo sero kwanza.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Zaburi miya na tatum sera kwanza. Enough seeangumidi buana na m bota believo naniango bidi himidi, gina lake takati.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Oh my soul. Oh my soul. Worship the Lord. Yeah. I'll bless the Lord. Oh my soul, bless the Lord. Sasa AI, I in a soul. How do you get there? A Ina. Aina spirit. That is just a tool. It's a tool. It's c it's purely a tool. Aina money.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

I in a spirit. I in obedience. I in a relationship namung. That is where you need to use it as a tool, full stop. I always could see the appointment.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Okay, so so um you think you think kwame is ako na kuna ku skia nikama vire kuna misusing or the two?

SPEAKER_01 31:07

That is you don't do that isoko. Kwamba tu ta anza ku misuse Itachkuana fasi ya lom dare. Idachikuana fasi, ya relationship yeatu namungu. It yeah, naha pundota tizoli na puka kubuwa. Nafu watu ha atake kuikognize kumbaini eye. Imtua nandam ujumbe kautoa chatbisi. In a midu lekognize, i kombaini metu a chatbivti.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

But pasta, yeah mtuana twa di ujumbe chat tiviti.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Na chukwa kabisa, anachu kua nime kombe ta kuga nema, ne la chativiti anda mene andali ujumbe kosu name. Inakwandali, inapana mi fana nok banagek.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Pasta do you use AI kwunekwanda mundi?

SPEAKER_01 31:57

For reference at times I got to. Ila ni me kua cautias. Bababu de me gundua kwanza ni kamen vakombiya. I need to be honest in a duo komba kiti kiduja. Kosababu nini gina tokea, uhristop. Ai ta kusanya minime suma theology. Kumanaya degree of theologia, na master's degree a theologia. Ninichuanza kuona kony AI, yalen liya sumadalasani, ina e kabo.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Sorry. Vizuri kabize, tina na nipangia na ni kumbusha, nika kongriya nema. Ina nipangia. Now nikidu nichu mosumadalasan. Kwata nikaku fundisha, na zinka funisha kitu nipanja la kinsasa. Kama wewe hauno ujo kuchangga. Lakini tare tofingi pia seo. Kusabu no eye it's gabbajin gabbaj out.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Ina chokusanyye, inabuksanyye tazake, ineta kuletaheres. Of course. Ita kusanya. Zasawe mukuru kuko mechikolo jumbe u aya. Neta kupangia, itakupana mifano, netakaleta taheres. Kusabbenya ina ina yoza kua which is witchy to peanut. So at the end of the day, uki ubi, youtako mobili chat jibiti naily why kuyut kuyu lis kuiba prompt AI.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Inipe inipo opinion the same topic like inipe na nafduana fanevi marani. The same thing, na yomba inipe opinion za any different thoughts on the specific topic. Um labo nazumziya kuzunema. Of course bibliye na zungumza nema kwa nam na moy nam naaki, akinakuna kuna kuna nam na nyingi za out on a wekondishanem. So, kunanam na urozoka yu reza, eka kupa different views. Aka kuletea ideodis tofututo foutisha, what press is, yeah, and those. So, I think uh it is dangerous. Kama mtuam bea na itunia haju ye mwenyewe to understand what is right from bunch of details and bazoo eay in eza kampakye.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

That's correct. Na bondo trachizarinanza kuku. Kama muse ma you can you don't men i na kwa kama nikitun aktu mba joke baku zidi well can't menate it. Kyu le what is good or mwishha se ku kweli kabisa e inito zulu me shang to use kwa na na wimboni mw penda meuskiya mbon zuabudu penda saw ni for w no nika wimbono can penika o nigaris. Ye ura kenikosia you ma si li ka mambia uh innocent music by record banis.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Last time podcas it.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Nika na ni nika nikando panda in bianni, but I didn't make an attack na panda kui mimba. Tamda wimbumbi andai mwimbabizo. I didn'ampa nduakamini kostja dua. Kanamtakino wimbono AI. I was shocked. The moment wa AI ndona minika nika nikanza nit perfect nika nika andik nikanza ku youata nikanza kutufa teach anwatuwa kibaka wa eida. Okay. And then I got umekosa io sensi ya humanityani. But what's wrong with it, pa? Ki u kwalifunbe to no AI. I can't stop. Kutzu di wimba. And as a kwa ski. Satoza me. Nimekwa kama affected. Tina niki nimsa niko ningi asout is kamanizia nakwa. Yes in Afrika. I'm not frank. Kina bisk liza na kosa ye. Nakosa il tata it the touch. The touch, kutsa babu tuna is artificial. But ima zia kwanyakiam kua kwa affected kidogo. Lakini pia imenda pia ako kwenye the reality of it. Gwje nabe kitu crystal. Ada kamaya ynaza kaku tu kungya worshi. Noza kambe kwepa mane no kame anda winba worshipata.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Hm.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Ea im na bad. Inaza kunenakoruga. I've never heard of that. Serious. Eye naza kunenakoruga. Ita koin imitated too, kasa bad hea ina data. Inakombehaji juzy uhast two dates. Nidi and bea, you can say my ken. She can speak in tongue. I can seema. Nebanik, eh, kasema I can speak in tongue. So, now do in a way says now what the difference? Una dua youana sound nation at worship. Worship God in spirit. Ifuna juata we na niskilita mina yimba. So kombona abudu. Yeah. Una skiliza mtona. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Do you get it? Yeah. Kitu kimodiambacho inu ali ki se ma juice. Naminika kubayyananai. And I added my point on that. Ali se ma ivi. Rihana. Akija po cansa nabda hakumju kamani riya. Aki rid worship. Tutabudu. Yeah. As long as an ezo kuimba vizuri akimba tutabu. Na tutabudu kwe yeniso masia. Seni.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Not faking. Yeah. Like real worship. Now tuta gusu na kufu zamu. So the same with the sound that is made with AI. Kazababu, kamo lipo se ma, it's not the it's not the tool which worship. It is you who worship. Kwe we wanatakwa fungu mwako na mwabudu mungu. There's some truth in that. What worships? Is it the words? Is it this the tool? Yen iria kwabudu kuwe kume make sense. Kunai um nikitumiya tool amboni artificial to give me the sound in a ina ina interrupt, ina disqualified worship.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

A pan na kasabukamu fosema. E nkama bibeli, it's a tool.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Lakene uzima uku kwenye the message, the message, the word and the world. Natraju, you a sa samusha siko, kama ivanya budu nim tum. Koko maya wema ku lead. Yeah, uta go nabudu, to be honest. You uh but nauma niunggei kama u take it from me and yana anapoan kyungle AI. So si a kuba fono ni nyimba kwa budu. Yeah? Hmudia tena so sini spirit, so sini ai. That question we have to answer. Spirit in natanya nini kun nyo wimbo. It is God gave people the songs, okay? So also the spirit. I create.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Pastor Nawivo Nawimbo AI.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

Nikosi mwya story. And this one. And that's when you won't be the AI. So I had the kuskization after this.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

Okay.

unknown 40:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

And I had the melody. My head. And the words. Mm-hmm. Nikaze kodi to if you kunisi. Mm the mefu. I one of our January prayer sessions. Mm-hmm. Kweka eka nikaka night. Turekodi. A hiku vilja s do something I do. Ikuepo tu pali. It's there. Nikampata inwa diskliza niimpata umosi. Then bada nikade kundu aye application itosuno. So with suno, you just weka uneka kame bilidi unepalixizaku zenu mezi ka ta ta ta ta ta. Afu one minute una yimba. Kwe kama kuna pat solo wimpozo tak kishum meziba in one minute. Inakure kodiya halfu una yambi a kwamba nataka kame ywe cast it, na taka yi sound raba this way, whatever, whatsoever. And then you back a compet song with bad vocals. Okay. What's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Uh mgoye na kolo disikanya. Okay. Umeneambia, kaplaya kuiba, something prompted you from inside. Yeah, I believe that was Holy Spirit. Okay. Kakupaho mguje kuwa kuku assist gamma tool saza. Oh, which is fine. It's a tool. Projector is a tool, tuna to miya, to reze kukata. Kwayo, like any sauce, you mean at a kosayo fanoako na wana niro amungu. Yeah. Umepata maneno, umebata, kwa kuja ku assist. Me with that I'm very okay. I'm very, very okay. Yina no, nikwana tafakali, akini odini rini, odini, odini andia kombatonkele AI. Nikwana tofakali Mamu ma we. Nakwanza ni tafakali yeswa Y twali posema n'siponi nkos we are one seafal kun engaj los of them for the saconas weak semata mawe.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

And that you ni argument ya twenga more there against AI.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

Komba sema.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Wanasema to get AI meaning about ya bood. Uh mista mimi because they scare your argument.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

I need a sema de the kit people. Kuna worship and worship. Okay. Nini gana tu care. Rei in a wayze to cat to kay to make a tingles a worship. Kama ni kuimba kama nini ni katingreza. Nakini, worshiper anabaku mana dan.

SPEAKER_00 43:15

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Kayo munchwa siku bei mefanya nini to a careful. Kutabu wam mw himni worshiper. Kulikwata i worship. Worshiper. Well with the with the technology na na AI, na wana worship is an kwa nyingi kuliko worshipa koengi. That is a bit of my concern. Yeah, karate uh vitu artificial thing you kuliko vitu venya. The genuinity. Kuta babu eh, Iina wezo AI wa kupatele authenticity adwana wana dab. And in a baki kua. Purely tall, a purely robot. And we are spiritual beings. And you know, unless it na kuwa twa kawaida. But as long as we are spiritual beings, I wait to close your eyes. It is limited to be to be at all. So in a weather. Ima kwa useful. Very useful. So you are getting it. Lakini inabakiku anya robotic. Kulikuele man de konikwan women daniango and living there. Zima to draw your line. Katya worshipper, our preacher, na AI.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

So what should we embrace it or should we stay away from it? We should embrace it.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

Okay. Nah, see, when I do semasure. Now, of course, interpretation is the konying part. This is the end times na knowledge may be castan. Now to embrace knowledge, because knowledge sometimes comes not to lead it discover new things. Lakini ku nace of it on a to require to fit you. Okay. Kalileo Galili. What imu wa katholic? Very bad. Shika mzungusha mfuta kwenya magari kuchi kamu wakabi. Na katolik mbakale wo anomba samani. Sabu fanyya makosa kwyanye technology na kunye science. Galileo hakwa na gundua. Galileo aikwana seva kili chopo. That is how it is. Koko na vitu technology, hai ji ku gundua. Inakuja ku cement, nam na mungwa lifu fanya vitu. So we should embrace technology.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

So Aye can ineze kal kita mwina unyesha u mbad yobu, does it explain uh wezo mungu wakumba watu anuizo kteniza ki. Awit threat. Watusa no na taku tingniza tu.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

E kwa mungu is not a threat. Kwa kanisa, threat kwasabu na repai we close. Ila tu mimi ni rudikama no semma youen. Ability to endro it. Sabu nikama emekwa i mekwa very smart. Yana bacho sa ezi binadam wana isi de eye. Nio humanisi, miyo tachyaki binadam. Yeniubadu imekosa. Zakini komanata efficien. Way better. Yani kula vitro. Ni fwe to hau di nyuma. Ifwandokati ina uhinga robot ku fanya cars. Watokasi mwa watu kosa kaas inakini robot inkoli na to fanya masai shina neli stoke na lika misha miziku perfectika di naweka kini mako naza tofanya masa matatu. Do we want the efficiency or do do we want man kwa enayu kazia ku fine? Are you getting it? Kwayo, takini badu binadamata Itajika nasababu to mushuasiko na bagi kuwa control, man bado anaicho kitu mbachoni chakimungwa nawet fanya choice ako which is far beyon technology.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

If you were to give us guidelines on the use of AI Hasa for ministry in Kwany aspect is what kwanye mahubiri mahuliso and kwany act what would you give as guidelines? This line you should not cross or this way, this is how you should use it as a past.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

We should not forget we are spiritual beings. And we should not forget our spiritual disciplines. And we should not forget to say how come about says you not see the me quepo. And in his come to a pepo.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Mm.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:22

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Yeah, yeah. So no, yeah, it's uh to take you ku fika okay. So eh, to back in a spiritual discipline there to US Indo Mungo. At itum atol. Use it as a tool. Wa nobilo itumi, emine itumiya. Taka sinajia kumbi or Dr. Mandi Kotina kuchwa konkordin siri asaman, fungwa pages, lagini is sometimes a good discipline in a fanya, but you are telling mwana sam uh io haso yakuta futa na kuna ni kwena sede brin yetu yakuri meba.bukatu na mudu mwa takwaki lizet. Za. So to ro, atakwakirizetu. Zasakama kiriyaku na kwa dal in akwa laze kfanya baza vitu, ta losi yo testiako na relationship kwa se hem. So, tui tu me kama tu na ytumiya hawa na juapsa kombane tu mi ako imitation zek. Kamalvosema, ntunimubili, akitumiam twas eju pata tu kwovitu, so binum retiya data zoteza woman za kweli, ta kuja tongevtu. Kwa you. Si kama making sen, so a man.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

Yeah, so yeah, nakwerewa um na kamani kama it's uh a takeaway from what you have just sayamba um we should have a personal relationship with God as a person and individual. Nahio itatu sa idea kujua where to how far we can go. And um nafasietu kama worship as inabaki, bakini AI, nabaki kwakama kinanda, nabaki kuwakama mic, nabaki kuwakama laptop, nabakiku wakama display screen, lakini the worship is of men who have a spirit.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

Exactly. Unajuwa kwa I don't know if we are we up type. Yeah outraza tu kwa na muda screen gine na ni tu kung get naza idi. Una jo kwa nine mungwa kutufanya na sis kama AI. Okay. Kza babu mungwa ngeta mwa na damo tumwa pudwa mnaptuaby singabu. Kata bababu to gigwana sini AI kwaki. Will yeah, on a mungwa kutaga sisi tu AI. Mungwali taga tu na test ituna fanana naye. So you get it. So So Sisuen yetu na jibbu ku defanya tana kwa AI. Okay mungwa kutu umba kama AI. Why are you getting what I'm try to say? Mungwa ta ki ku to feed that of twa echu atu feed it. No, you want us to have free will to fanya. Na niyondo ina mpaye ku twita to twa kama evo willing ditu nam penda, willing dunam tafuta, willing dunam worship, willing litunam mwaku ishimaisheakum, and neza na mousenona. That is God want from man. And no manata salipo kuya kufabodo metuachya willing yakum kubali. We're not robots.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Um should the church say like declare kumba the specific production that has done was done by AI.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Yeah, to be genuine is very important. Me, as I talk mobili, sometimes. Kama metua ume towa kitucha AI, what in the AI. Because adapter your authenticity, we geninity, kitu, you are not honest. But AI for na jifanya ni chakwa kona ki personalies. Ume danga, you a liar.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

Aki ni pasta bado miro swaang bado. How far? Kofonokawa ni mimi I told you my story. Kusi nama nivu tingneza wimboka AI.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

Sense kwitoko nikamu me to makeamatu. AI mess idea tuna juwa kama baf kibo dingas idea kwenu, kwekamzikori computersua. Lakene kuna ide puel just prompt. Yani is puel artificial intelligence and from the word go, from a word source yan. Una ta kubidi jumapili. Nakum fanasatamba, or the mana kombara zuma basu n cane we kwaan AI pure. U ski or jordan and get when you AI na yambia. Itakubi di jumapili, winyabin obedi ni. Ah, yeah, that's bad. What on of us? Really? Yes. Ubidon of so that is very bad. That is killing the church. Killing ministry, killing the gifts. Go to my badisha, but you're known as a karama to make a i indo you make karama zetu. So we are to go konye to go kony yo crisis. Crisis. AI got karoho. It's a chariot. It's good to impress it in it. Kapanovana in a fine bit of pressure. And this is very important, Christopher. Yeah. Technological excellence. And spirituality. What a difference. Ume patumbo ayah. Ume inbo auna cosa naivo wana musicana tokata m kubo. What on other confuse us? I'll excellence. Na spiritual. Spiritual uh excellence. This is a spiritual excellence. Na spiritual abdh manifestation. Okay. Cause a babu. Aye.

SPEAKER_00 56:23

Very good. Technical perfection.

SPEAKER_01 56:25

Yes. Lakini, to be honest, haina ngufu kamaton geimba frat but ni spirit nawewe m na yimba.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

So we we should not miss miss uh to sichanganyo. Should not confuse technical excellence and spiritual experience. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Vituvi, tatovikuye mzik yambava be na to kea. Takwanza ni yo skill. Kamba mnobo pigam spig a flat m na inimazwezi mna nafanya kabisa. Sendio. Tapili ni talent. N'tu anakwa talent and a kipawa na soutin zuuria na geni chatatu nju spiritual experience. A katakaivi viot vina tajika. Tuna pofanya worship, praise, twataka viote. Twataka skill, the an epitu vimbu vi zuri. Twataka kamtu na talent wana sauti, tunaitaka. A kitu ataka spiritual experience. Amo mi sa akat kayvi vihoot andasama spiritual experience in the paramount.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Paramount, what do you mean? Yani the most important.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

Yes. Kwa ma atatu kikosa keyboard, atatukikosa aptuwanyye talent. Namna tu live. Watawza manu wangba wimbotu? Eh na ni taba. Wengine wana panda, melima, wengine wana shuka. Wengine akine wana pata spiritual experience. Kosa bababu deh worship and truth inga hawana yo perfection ya maneno ya nini. Wana janalom takadef. Kwany no tuna kosa. Kwza putun zaku me concentrate sana. Kweni kweni techniku experience. Yes, technicko experience talent is true. A you tume potte has us. Tuna kosa spiritual experience. Kwa yo AI. A Iko hapwasas. Inaza kuleta iso techniko perfe na ika techniika ika ika fanya mizuri ki power. Akinye high wiz. Ku kuleta spiritual experience kamam tu mwyewe. Hatu kua. Mizuria unamousiana ezo.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

Do you still listen to those AI song?

SPEAKER_01 58:51

I send in zuri. Na ji twango um to la na kwa kabala skidi. Ni nakware na na nime na tofotisha sana na kimba nadam. Sama na yoko na kati tafika, uta shinokutufo. Kaza no technology andasan. Uh always with you a sa is badun zabu ndeaku kuwa ta kua kimbaye uini wanadamu ni.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

Yeah. Ni yongiana in no juzi, nekama b. The reason why tuna skizen nibuze AI. Nguasababu AI imewa shindakit kimoji. Nimajenas pena. Nikambe washinda kiti kimoi the simplicity.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

Ina simplify.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

Yani mona kaba izi wewe ni sababu yama na sa iri kuabu diwa na sta iri I love that one. It's just simple, simple saumtuyota naiza kaimba. Like in akichachik kuakinanda yino sedimu girona. A tanza twin twin twin twin araka weke frat, earaka wekezi all that things. Nika mambia, that is a challenge. AI has challenged you in that area. You guys, you're too complicated. And AI, ime tuleteap, pambi mbozut kogo tuna zimba za mani, akini imetuleteap ni nam naamba, ira hisa ta sisi to sing along.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

So AI. You ni wenye wan mzeki mino mbekasiku. I don't complicate. Nomana ata yimba rozimuanda ataimba bi timbilitu. Tanzanyenzi mota mba nyimboyak. Exactly. Ada kujiem tuabas y nani ata yimba ba brigi. Mziki swiana wekana kun tuna mbu emboa. Kosababu. Mi my miy mso adasani praise and worship. Io komana k sooma praise and worship. Tuna sewa hata konfano yu twa la worship praise. In azima, watu anwanda wan oli duen kine, wa fanya bi to simpa. Io simplicity, and himtu awiza kuimba. It is required. Aita jia ku kunani. Eye nawiza kufanya complication kuli kwata manada.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:03

In a sata rikubali, that's a challenge. Yeah, wamewa payo changamod.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

Yeah.

unknown 1:01:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:08

Wanatingisab to the boom sana boom any akidiya ita jibi to the boom ku ku process just make some simple things and then and then yabakwa lijibuki techni kaya na juguye, but that the message was sent.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

Yeah, so exact, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

So, anyway, it's very good to to embrace AI. Atuna nam nap talk. And so now na east you know when the story of kweda we are wongo. Kunaviji kwaga vinampen napenda mungua meme or kasema yitu na pinga mungu tuneta mwangga o katimuga kari e giza tulale. So akaza ku pinga o me because ever new aliwaki o katimuga visema usi kunigiza e litulai. So, twesiku kwekata kuya ya to stay yeah with AI.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

All right, Pastor Asante. Um a little bit of invitation, kwa diriato notuskiliza, kanisen kwaku.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

Ah, tu la karibisa sana chuechamana bi, tuko mungo mazwa, tuna nickname ye toni chuechamana bi lakanisini carval assemblies of god. Makanisa mbaya na yunggoza. Mwangalizim kua makanisa yetoni datari aposto a skofu danstana uli maboya. Na kanisa liswa chichomanabi seniya pastani, mama, askov, mama emelda maboy. Karibunisana watuno patona fasi. Toko well balance. Yeah, I know. Karibune, karibunisana, toko munguma ziwa mkabana na bandarikavu. Iba daze to fairly life karibun, karibuna opati experience. Kunj se fia sana batiu ya trying to be very spiritual. Very, very spiritual. We utouna AI kid dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

Nidokumwari ka kakanku mwyo moko nyiniki. Kujak mistan.

unknown 1:03:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

A you won do like a simad? It has been long mim experience, but I keep it go see. Like, Ile vile to pay to payba to me like what you squeeze kuna to come as a put as a kuna touch fanning in a kosekana. Ile si dakine me wanaborka s and kweetu. Ile tuta imba choir, tu ta iba praise totakolea. I have to kimalizavu to ta ima worship tuta kolea. Tu kitoka tu tainda tuta ubili to kimbaza kubi tuta umbe tutakolea. You see, na kuri matangaza tuta kalibisha w again wasima.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

Na tuabigena mako.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

One, two, three.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:00

Sure, sure. Kunamito mama tu kiku vinduvi potesi uh with technology na bambojan. This ana kuabudo line.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

I for some case that's a qualifying. Bakini for some case you need you join people. Join people, car, no matter physical gathering. Mm paka niwaza or pokuna semana kuja kwa jina AI. Kazamakani swa kujak pincha AI. And kekwana group broads up and get the Instagram and get the YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

It's a lot of complicated.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

Man, now koko in the bungware wanaya. New the the generations and new the technology. Kwa yo AI nikidombacho, our technology, nikidonbacho kina to side ni tole atutakanacho kwa muna. Like inikits to toy kwenye zire core values the worship as Christianities, our spirituality, as we kfanya like zima to back to we should worship God in truth. All right. And in spirit, not in AIs.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

Yeah. Thank you, Pastor. Yeah, thank you. Asant Sana Pastor, uh, Mungo Kubariki, thank you for your time. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:18

Natamani, that's you to gafanyaja to go but uh dialogue, not gina w kauliza. I don't know how it will be sure to kata respond what wakaja or kwa easy interval with slowly to kapiti upano with aiki, Pastor Nasema Iiki, kiki konje, we can have recap. Yeah, Zanayo. Nah, I could tell more. Very good, Christopher. Thank you, Pastor. Very, very good, Christopher. Now it it might seem small, like in na me. Akaski Lisa, in Ezekwa, very bad rock. Ezekum Sa idea, San. Kwanito Ving Yani. It is now finder technology again. Podcast, find that technology, nzuri san. So I wish the program we in the leaving ku waku. Mungwako's idea. Amen. If gave up the wango. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

Yeah, amen. I received praise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

I just won't bet. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Mm buenay sun in a kushkolukwajilia Christopher Musiga. Sante Bajilia program e bio podcastina minita augusa wengi. Na wenguata skia. Na kupitia keliambacho kinakwa kikfanika katika pipindi eveningi. Nina minika bisa buana. Konoako. Uruakum tekatifu. Atasema na watu. Mwiso ne tufanane nawewe Kristo. Mwisho ne kuawuta wengi wawe wa budu katika roho na kweli. Mwiso buana. Nikuriti uziwa wabirele. E nunakwekasema etam fajdiani nimtu. Kama ata pata vitu viote dunye ii. Akinea kakakosa uzima wabinele. Basi na sema sante mana i tendirea kuwa tul, ktendira kwa chombo. Chakwa leta watu na kua sadiya kufana na nawe. Neke kajinala esu ni namba reke restorfa na kaze hi. I ku wena kuangge zekasana. Kwa jire utu kufu ajina la baba na mwana na no to katifa.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Amen. Amen. Asante sana pasta. Na kwa notu skiliza mungo kubariksana. Thank you for having your time to listen. Tuna nelea kuku karibisho nelu kufatili evpili ngine via tik the podcast. Hadwa katu mungine, nindugwiako, rapikiyako, Christopha lusiga. God bless you.