ROCIC 2

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Eric will go further into what ROCIC offers and what you can expect from training / intel analysts.

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ROCIC - A Proven Resource for Law Enforcement

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Good morning. Welcome back, Eric of R O C I C Yes. So we discussed on the last one training, costs of training, what you offer, which is pretty much everything. Obviously, they can find your training catalog by putting into Google ROCIC training catalog.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Or just, yeah, just type in ROCIC training, and it'll take you to our public-facing website, and you can click on the training tab and see what's scheduled where and the cost involved and registration information. It's all it's very simple. It's very straightforward.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Too easy. And I'm sure find their regional coordinator there too. Right. If they want to talk to someone.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Right. So yeah, if you're if you're in Alabama and you want to know what's going on, you can reach out to Bob Jones. If you're in, you know, Kentucky. Is that a real name or did you make that name up? No, that's his name. Why would I make that name? You just call Bob.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

I always say like Johnny Jones for my system.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

No, no, no, no, no. All right. If you're in Kentucky and you want to know what's going on with our CIC, reach out to Steve Wright. So there's my colleagues that I work with. Great guys. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

All right. So then going into the other angle of intel and accessories. Yes. Accessories. What are some I don't want to say anything specific and you're like, oh, you missed 12 things. So what are some things you offer? I know a lot of the big agencies use you. I know all the federal agencies work with y'all.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

And I also want you, I think y'all do deconfliction as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

You do, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

So can you just speak more knowledgeably on that?

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Right. Okay. So I know we kind of left a cliffhanger from the last episode, but I do want to make sure that you that everybody listening out there understands that the services that we provide to law enforcement agencies that are our member agencies have no cost involved whatsoever. There's no throttle on the amount of services that we can provide for them, how many times they can make requests of us, and there's no cost involved other than an annual membership fee, which is a very nominal fee for an agency to be an ROCIC member. So it's membership based, but it's a very, very insignificant cost for state and local. Federal agencies, not so much.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Okay. So they got their own thing going, but state and local, they would just reach out to their regional coordinator and say, hey, I listened to this sweet episode. Yes. What what would the cost be for us? Yes. And they'll hook you up with a coordinator.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

So the first thing, well, I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but to kind of define what we provide. So we have a criminal intelligence section that can do all manner of deep data mining, accessing of law enforcement specific databases for information on your targets, access our RIS Intel, which is a source of true criminal intelligence.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

So can we can we get into a little bit of detail? Sure. And you can stop me as needed. Let's say I'm investigating Eric Anderson. Yes. I'm working for whatever sheriff's office, small, medium, large agency doesn't matter. Sure. And I want to look into what you're doing. I think you're breaking into cars and shooting at people sometimes if they catch you. Sure. Just making up an example. Or narcotics, whatever. Sure. I reach out to you. How does that conversation go? What kind of things can are you running clear, accurate? What kind of things are you providing? All of them.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

All of them. All of those data mining tools. We have access to over 40 different tools.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

So does the investigator have an analyst assigned and they communicate? Yes. Hey, here's what I'm looking for. I'm trying to get addresses, phone numbers, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Yes. There are a couple of different avenues that we can pursue. The investigator can certainly communicate through their law enforcement coordinator. They can reach out directly to CIU or the analytical section or technical services. They can reach out directly to them via email or via telephone call, which is not necessarily preferred because there's a lot going on. Email is the best, and they can rank order them and assign them to different analysts, certainly. But we're open to whatever we can do to help facilitate their investigation.

SPEAKER_02 4:21

You're lucky I didn't know about y'all when I was in narcotics, so I had to beat y'all up.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

We love it when people try to beat us up. We're like, come on, bring it. Bring it up, bring it. That's what we live for. And I'm telling you, the people at the center live for it. They really enjoy helping. They that's what they they exist to do. So uh we have a form. I know everybody probably not a fan of the form, but it's an investigative inquiry form. You can fill that out and submit that. Just hit submit, put all your information in there, case information, who you are, your points of contact, a brief synopsis of the crime, you know, a brief synopsis of what you're looking for, shoot it in. If you need facial recognition, no problem. If you need LPR data research across multiple LPR platforms, no problem. If you need a what we call a full workup, which is a deep data dive into your subject. So if you've got your known identified suspect, you've got personal identifying information on that person, send it in to CIU. Tell me everything you know, tell me everything you can find about Joe Schmoe, right? Yeah. Joe Schmoe is a burglar and he's, you know, targeting all of our whatever stores in our area. And I I talked to uh a neighboring agency and they're having problems with him too, or they've had some break-ins too. They think he's the prime suspect. What can you tell me about this guy? Yeah. And they're gonna send you back a packet of information that could potentially be 200 pages.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

And and you mentioned tag reader stuff. I mean, the two that I've dealt with are LPR through vigilant and flock. Yes. But, you know, investigators, especially old guys like us, we tend to find one that we like. And so I Flock is great in the city I'm in, but I just wasn't comfortable using it. I, you know, there's always intricacies. Sure. But with LPR I was. But I always did a lot of my own research. Sure. And it would have been really nice to send it to you and just be like, hey, can you I'm this tag is doing crime all over the area. Can you put something together for me on it?

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Well, and the benefit of the benefit of the fact that we have access nationwide to the various LPR systems, we can stitch together information on that particular tag and sort of plot out where it's been within whatever time frame and over what period of time. Does that make sense? So it may go through a region that that vehicle may go through a region that's heavy flock use and then leave that in a heavy Motorola vigilant use, and then to another platform to, you know, we have access to a variety of different LPR platforms. And they really don't communicate with one another. But that's where we can come in and say, yeah, we can we can pull that for you. Or you've got your investigator that has a few tools and they're they're conducting their investigation, they're utilizing the tools they have at their disposal, and they want more, yeah, right? They want a deeper dive into this individual for even just a different set of eyes. Correct. Correct. That's why you reach out to us, reach out to CIU, and they will conduct that for you and send it back to you in in short order.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

Love that. Yeah, find find all the associates on this future I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Let's make sense. Where they get cable TV, where their you know their cell phone, who their cell phone provider is.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

My next question do y'all do anything with cell phone record analysis?

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Absolutely. Tower data. Absolutely. Tower dumps. That's where our analytical section uh really flourishes. They do a lot of that. They process all of that information that investigators come across when they do a tower dump. They get their subpoena or their search warrant results back. They've got all these lines of data, and it's just more than they can manage, and they can't, they don't have the capacity to crunch all that down to get the target phone numbers they're looking for. They can certainly send them to our analytical section. They'll have an analyst assigned to their particular case. They can communicate back and forth, get that information to them, work through that, send back the final product. Same with audio, video clarification. We do that. We're just talking about that. You've got body worn camera, video, or even audio, or both. It's garbled for whatever reason. You've got ring camera, you've got surveillance systems at a bank, convenience store, whatever. And you need that clarified so you can see the tag, so you can see what's in the suspect's hands. We do that as well. Wow. We do a full the full suite of um digital forensic examinations: cell phones, laptops, hard drives. So an investigator can send you a laptop. Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

So uh every time you say it, I just hit more on because it's something like 70% of cops are at small agencies. You know, we think of New York, LA, Memphis, whatever. They're they're they're the rarity. Big agencies are the rarity. Yeah. I mean, you look at Tennessee, what do you what do you got? Knox, Chat, Nash, Memphis. Other than that, it's I mean, maybe Jackson, but then you got how many counties? Like 200? No. I don't know. 95. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

You know, a lot.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Yeah. And they just don't have the same resources that a Memphis Intel unit would, right? Right. And and But they could send you the computer or the phone and you have Cellbrite ready.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

We uh absolutely, and and Grey Key and you know, all you know, a whole whole suite of of different digital forensics tools. So yes, we we can do that for them. And again, I need to emphasize that there's no cost involved.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

And the difference you see, I've experienced this firsthand of somebody with without gray key, if you're trying to get into an iPhone versus somebody with gray key or gray key plus, whatever it is, the plused up version.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

It's the difference between turning in a cell phone to get dumped because you got a search warrant on it, and waiting three months and then saying it's this is my first hand experience, then saying it's still processing, it's trying to load. And finally me saying, Hey, I'm just gonna come pick that up. And I brought it somewhere else, turned it in. They had the gray key plus. Sure. Turn it in. And I was leaving the parking lot. And the guy called me and he was like, Hey, you still here? Come get this phone and come get your thumb drive. We put everything on. Right. I was like, Are you fucking kidding me, dude? I could have had this three months ago.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

And I want to emphasize that that doesn't always happen. That's probably an anomaly and rarity. And and and again, I want to emphasize for the listeners out there, if you're working cases and you need our support, it's better to reach out to us on the front end than the back end. Because if you reach out to us and you're like, hey, yeah, I've got this uh triple homicide case, it's going to trial next week, and I need some digital uh uh evidence analyzed, and and I need a dump on a phone, or I need this this video from the surveillance from the store where the uh the shooting occurred done in a week. We're probably gonna tell you.

unknown 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Unfortunately, we could tell us while the idea correct. You know, two years ago when you got the case. Yeah. So that makes sense. It does take time. And we get that, we get the feedback. We get the like, hey, you know, I could send this phone to name the agency, name the state agency, name the federal agency. We could send it. You could, and you could send it to us. So it's your choice. We're all running probably similar timelines. Yeah. So it's just whatever you feel more comfortable with, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:51

No ego, huh?

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Right. Yeah, yeah. And we we support all of our federal partners, we support all of our state partners. So I'm like, I'm not here to to to advocate one over the other because we all have strengths and we all work together. So there's that other aspect. If we run into a bump in the road and we need support, we're gonna reach out to all of our partners and say, hey, have you experienced this? Have you run into this problem before? What how have you all worked it out?

SPEAKER_00 12:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Right? Okay. Similarly, you know, we we really provide a lot of services for your smaller agencies because they may not have access to resources for for whatever reasons. But we also provide a lot of support for large agencies because they're completely overwhelmed frequently. Yeah, right. And their their folks are, you know, doing the best they can on a daily basis, fighting crime in their care communities' areas of responsibility, and they need additional support.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

So and I'll say what I need to say, you probably won't say it, but you I've dealt with very shit Intel analysts before, where you ask for a certain product and they either don't do it at all, don't do it in a timely fashion, or give me something different than I asked for, and they're like, hey, I think this would help you. And I'm like, that's not what I need. I gave you these six events and these 10 people and they're all linked, and I asked for a link chart, and you provided me who their neighbors are. That's not what I need for this case. So you may be at a you may have a large support unit that isn't really giving you what you need when you need it. Sure. I've experienced that firsthand.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

I I understand. And I I I can tell you, I can tell you that the analytical section at ROCIC, very skilled, very talented, decades of experience. Decades. They didn't start doing this last week. I mean, they've been doing it for decades. We've got some 30-year employees up there. So they're dealing with a lot of agencies, they're dealing with a lot of requests that come in, and they're building products for investigators from as far south as Miami Dade, as far north as Washington, D.C., as far west as Oklahoma City. So, and every point in between. So that they're really, really talented at what they do. And and they're going to interface with the investigator directly. You're going to have their phone number, you're going to have their email address. It's it's nothing more than, hey, this is what I'm looking for. What can you do? Or, and I even encourage investigators to do this. Sometimes you run into an impasse with your investigation. You don't even know which way to turn. Might be worth reaching out to somebody and saying, hey, have you ever worked a case like this? Talk to one of our analysts. Have you ever run into this problem before? Can you give me some suggestions? Or have you that?

SPEAKER_02 14:43

Yeah, 30 years' experience in Intel or law enforcement slash Intel. Correct. They may have an idea.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Right. And they're going to say, Yeah, I run into this same sort of thing. It's it's much like when an investigator runs into a novel crime that they're completely unfamiliar with. Yeah. They're like, what in the world is this? Yeah. Well, that's when you need to start utilizing your resources. You need to start reaching out to your network. You need to start saying, hey, I'm going to go on ROCIC's website and I'm going to look at their publications. I'm going to log into my RISNet account and I'm going to look at publications and go, I'm looking into the what is this thing? What's going on with these? Fraud comes to mind. There's so many weird frauds. Absolutely. Or the one that we we've dealt with recently, and it's still kind of an ongoing problem, is why why am I getting all these Freightliner trucks broken into? Why are people breaking into the cabs? They're not, they're not. What are they stealing? Well, they're stealing this control module out of these trucks, out of these tractor trailers. And people are like, what's this all about? We don't understand this. Well, our publication section did some research. They wrote a bulletin about it because they're those those those control units, those control modules are very valuable on the black market because they have a lot of rare earth metals in them that are very valuable. Gotcha. So they're breaking into these particular trucks. And I I think it's the Freightliner. Don't quote me on that. That's that the control module is easily accessible versus being buried somewhere in a dash. Gotcha. And they wouldn't they're they're they're targeting those particularly. I think it's freightliner.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Yeah, that's a weird crime. I never would have put that together. My cab got broken into and nothing's missing. Yeah, like what's up with it? Except this box.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Yeah, what's up with this, right? So we we we see and investigate on our level and produce a product to help law enforcement understand what they're looking for. Yeah, the national trends, right? That we don't see if you're in place. So those again, those are those resources. And I tell I tell folks when they go visit with them, I'm like, look, the only thing that's limiting your ability to interface with the resources that RLCIC provides is your imagination and your creativity. Plain simple.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Put y'all to work. So what what are we missing? We talked training last time, we talked various intel to simplify technical services. We talked technical services.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Let me let me kind of uh emphasize and talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

I've I've talked to you about electronic surveillance that I mentioned before.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Absolutely. Yeah, we we we certainly provide a great deal of technical expertise and a robust catalog of equipment for that particular thing. Uh let me give you just a little snapshot. I get a call yesterday. I'm not gonna name the agency. I get a call. Fairly small agency. The investigator's like, hey Eric, we're looking for a gun and we're looking in these s shallow ponds. There's a series of shallow fish ponds in in our where we're investigating this particular uh homicide.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

We need a little submarine with a magnet.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

That's exactly what they need. Stop it. That's exactly something like that. So let me tell you. So I we've had some dive teams in these shallow ponds, they're real murky, we're we're not having much luck. What have you got to help? And I'm like, well, we've got a submersible underwater drone, tethered underwater drone. It's got a you know camera and you can operate it remote drone. And he's like, Absolutely. I go, okay, reach out to technical services, see if it's on the shelf, see if you can go pick it up. Because I can tell if you're calling me at eight o'clock at night, then this is something you're in the midst of it's a run hard.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

You answer your phone at eight o'clock at night? Sure. Look at you.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

All right, go ahead. I'm that kind of guy. So no, but I mean, they need it, they call me, I'm gonna help facilitate getting it. Now, do they want to wait for headquarters in Nashville to ship it to them? I I suggested, hey, jump in the car, five o'clock in the morning, drive to Nashville and get it. Yeah, you know, sometimes that's the best bet if you need it right now.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Right? And I, you know, I it's it's kind of like a joke, but I go to agencies, I'm like, hey, have y'all had reports of a missing body in the woods? And they're like, oh yeah, we've used your ground penetrating radar, we've gone out there and searched for it. It's a great tool, you know, and we provide those sorts of things.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

So and the more common narcotics video audio surveillance stuff.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Yeah. So a small agency, again, if you don't want to get your callio subscription or whatever, or buy your own covert camera system, they can and how does that work? Do you guys send it out and you come out and train them on it? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 19:35

We we send it out, and we we well, if a request comes in, we're gonna interface. The technical services team is gonna interface with the investigator. They're gonna reach out and they're gonna communicate via phone or email or whatever and say, hey, this is what we've got. What's your particular need? And a lot of times, what I the feedback I'm getting is investigator Smith thinks they need X, but in fact they really need Z or Q. And then they find out that, oh, you've got so many resources. Like not what do you need, but what are you trying to accomplish. Correct, correct. You need to transmit and record, or what are we talking about? I mean, everybody thinks, oh, I need a pole camera.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Well, maybe, but here's some other options that are just as good that may be easier to interface with, and you might not have to use the utility, you know, bucket truck, you may not have to get them, wait for them to put it up on a rate of maroon. Yeah, go through all that. So we have a lot of tools at our disposal, and we can certain excuse, excuse me, certainly work with the agency to fit their need with what we have or what we can build for them.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

So you can get on the phone, you could get a tech agent on the phone and say, hey, I have an inner city or a way out in the country drug house. Yes. I'm trying to do this with. Yes. What do you suggest? And they can give you guidance based off their experience.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I I I I often joke that we can put a we can put a camera in just about anything you can imagine. And I get stories. So that's that's how we we kind of promote our successes as agencies reach out and they say, hey, we had this success in this investigation. You put a pinhole camera in a stocking cap toboggan, because our CI always wore this stocking cap to b uh toboggan. You put the camera in that, we made all these drug cases. You know, we utilized this piece of uh covert surveillance equipment, and it made all these cases, or we we were having these chronic burglaries, and you were able to put uh a covert, uh wireless, Bluetooth enabled, self powered camera in a tree stump or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

That's a fancy way of saying trail camp.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Oh, they're a little bit more advanced. They're a little bit more advanced than the truck trail camp you can get in. Yeah, right. Trust me, they're a little bit more but yeah, and sometimes you just need a truck camp. Yeah, right. We can provide them. Too right. So we we get that. It again it's whatever the investigator can imagine or the creativity that they have, the ability the ability to be creative in their thinking regarding that investigation. We're gonna try to suit that need when they communicate with us. Now, can we always say yes? And the the the the joke I I I give investigators when I go visit with them is this hey, if you reach out to me and you're like, I need a satellite. Well, we don't have satellites, you know. We don't, you know, we don't have a space show. We can't don't be outrageous. But if it's within our purview, within a relatively uh functional frame of reference, we're probably gonna be able to provide it for you.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

I gotcha. And so uh one thing that came to mind is a lot of agencies, I think most, there's a fluctuation in the existence of certain units. You might have a narcotics team at your city and a couple people get in trouble. There's a little scandal. Sure. It's not everybody, but they shut that unit down. They're like, hey, we don't want this unit, you know, every time they go out and do a search warrant, they're saying, oh, I know all y'all dirty anyway, because it's just got that now. Like we're gonna shut that down. It might get stood back up two years later under a different name. And if you're, you know, an old guy like us and you're a you know, a 45-year-old sergeant and you've been out of the special operations game for 10, 15 years, stuff has changed. And coming back and saying, hey, I need a raven or I need this, you know, it may be antiquated by now. Absolutely. There may be something five times as good. Oh, easily. So it sounds like a great resource for, hey, I'm standing up a vice unit. I'm standing up a narcotics team, narcocide, any of these weird units. And just to build your knowledge, like, hey, here's what we're gonna be able to do. What do we need?

SPEAKER_01 24:00

What do you offer? Let's run with that example and create like a 360-degree picture about that particular thing. So let's say a sergeant has been on the road for several years, let's say three or four, five, and now they're getting tasked with moving into a specialized assignment. They're a street crimes team or narcotics team or whatever. That new sergeant is standing there going, What, you know, what do I do with my hands? That was me. Right? Yeah. So they reach out to their law enforcement coordinator, okay? And with RCIC, and they say, Hey, I'm getting involved with this new unit. What can you do to help me? And here's what the law enforcement coordinator is going to tell them. Well, here's some classes that I think you should go to. Here's one in Nashville. It's free if you can get your agency to pay for your hotel room, or you can commute if you're close enough, or whatever. I would go to this class to get spun up about knowledge about that particular subject. Then, while you're at headquarters, you can visit with the technical services team and they can show you all the latest and greatest technology that helps facilitate investigations that your particular unit is going to do. Right? So then now you have another base of knowledge. And then I'm gonna put you in contact with this agency and this agency. I've been doing this. This agency that already do it, and it can be a resource for you and can mentor you in your role as you move into this this new assignment. And they're they're great people to work with, they've got a ton of experience, and they're gonna be more than glad to talk to you. So you see what I've I've created like this 360-degree encapsulated bundle around this new investigator, this new supervisor, this new unit. And that that's that again, there's that force multiplier that we can act as.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

So it's here's your training and experience we can give you. Yes. And here's or here's your training and education, and here's your experience. Correct. That we can correct, you know, you can talk, you know, if you're Franklin PD like you were, or Franklin County Franklin City, yeah. Franklin City PD. I mean, wouldn't you be crazy if you're a sergeant standing up a narcotics unit to not talk to Metro Nashville's narcotics? You'd be crazy not to. Right. Like, hey, what are you guys doing that's working right now? Yeah. What's backfired, what technologies can do.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Absolutely. And then and and again, we can facilitate that communication and we can link people together. We can what I say is we can help you connect the dots.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

So Tennessee people, which are a lot of my listeners, should be calling you.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

All right. What am I missing?

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Okay. So I mentioned previously member agencies. We we don't uh actively recruit new members necessarily. We uh bring on new agencies, again, generally speaking, that interface with us at particular conferences, at particular intelligence, criminal intelligence sharing meetings that we visit and go to all across the state, or in investigators' associations when they have their quarterly meetings or whatever it may be. We're we're always happy to bring on new agencies. We we're always happy, and we want to. So if you're working for an agency and you ask around, and you're like, hey, are we an ROCIC member agency? And someone says, Oh no, we're not. I'm not even familiar with what they are or what they do. Now you're the point person, right? You talk to the chief, you talk to the sheriff, you talk to whomever. Hey, I'd really like to be involved with ROCIC. Is that something we can do? Well, give me some more information. Call the LEC. I don't care if you're in Kentucky, Louisiana, Texas, doesn't matter. Find your LEC. Jump on the you know, ROCIC website. We've got all of our contacts out there. Reach out to me, call me. Hey, I'd like to be an I'd like to be a member agency. I've talked to the chief. I've I'm gonna be your your point person for this process. What do we need to do? And we'll walk you through those steps very simply, and we'll explain how you go about getting approved for our board through our board of directors, how that's voted on at all of our conferences, bring you on board as a proxy member, start utilizing our services, bringing to bear all of our uh skills, abilities, knowledge, and expertise, and and really helping these agencies. So I would highly recommend it if you are in that situation, if you're not a member agency. I would strongly suspect that most of your listeners are probably working for a member agency already, but there may be some that aren't. That doesn't mean you can't utilize our services, you can't get on board with us.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

All right, and this is national, as we talked about. So I'm talking Tennessee, you're talking Kentucky, Mississippi. Yeah. But if you're elsewhere, you guys cover everywhere. They just wouldn't be dealing with you if they're not.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

That's right. They're gonna be dealing with their particular regional information sharing system center, whether it be Remen or MOCIC or NESBEN or you know, the all the rest across the United States. So don't feel like you're limited. And what I, you know, what we'll put on a class right at at ROCIC headquarters in Nashville. I'll show up. I'm I pop in. Hey, I'm Eric. I'm the law enforcement coordinator for Tennessee. Where are y'all from? Oh, I see that you're from all around Tennessee, but I see that you're from Utah and you're from Michigan and you're from New Mexico and you're from Connecticut. Well, I'm not your law enforcement coordinator. You have a law enforcement coordinator in your particular risk center, but I can certainly help facilitate anything you need to know. So don't hesitate to reach out to me. Here's my cell phone number, here's my email address. Call me and I'll get you in touch with the right person.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

All right. Well, that's pretty all-encompassing. And for a synopsis, if you want to just fast forward to this part, correct me if I'm wrong, go to training. Go to training. If you're an officer or investigator to help your career and help your knowledge, if you're running the organization and you don't want it to be crappy, send your people to training where they're not going to be fully developed.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

And if you have Intel needs that are met or are not met, you don't know what you don't know until you find out.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

And use them for the Intel services as well. And it's cheap to free. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

And you know, uh if I could put a finer point on what you're saying, you you're you're never going to be in a bad spot if you continue your training throughout your law enforcement career. If you're not learning, you're probably in retrograde and you might want to look for another career. I know that sounds hateful, but it's just the truth.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Well, it's an important job and it's public service. So it's true that you should take pride in what you're doing. Absolutely. Keep training.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Ask for help. I run into a lot, and this is me kind of editorializing. A lot of a lot of investigators, a lot of cops out there, a lot of deputies out there, they're like, too shy to ask for help, or I don't want to look dumb, or I don't, I don't even know where to begin to ask. You know what? Sometimes you gotta step outside of yourself and ask for help. You don't know what you don't know, and you don't you certainly don't know if you don't ask for help. So ask for help, reach out, reach out for resources, realize there's a whole lot of stuff out there that you may not be aware of that some of us, not just me, but my colleagues and and my law enforcement partners across the state and across the region can help leverage for you if you just ask. But we don't know unless you ask us.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

All right. And for me to do a quick training rant that we can maybe wrap up on, unless you have follow-ups. When you go to, as an officer, homicide detective, whatever, when you go to, we called it four-day block, when you go to your annual training, your bi-annual training, your quarterly training, whatever it is, what are you usually doing at that training? Shooting, driving, and a couple classes, usually shooting, driving, right? And the stuff you're doing day to day, most of you, if I asked you if you'd fired your weapon, you know, I don't want to say in aggression, because that's not the right word, but fired your weapon outside of training in the last year or five years, you'd probably say no. Emergency driving. You do these are high impact but rarely used skills. But your daily used skills, which may be lower impact than shooting somebody, but it's still very high impact for doing your fucking job, right?

SPEAKER_01 32:34

If you're a especially if you want to prosecute a case, right? So it's we it's it's not sexy, right? It's not sexy to think about you know case preparation and interview and interrogation and case law. And case Grammy Connor. Right. I think sexy. Right, right, right, and rules of evidence. But those are the bread and butter. They're not the high-risk, low frequency things, driving fast, shooting you know, accurately, that sort of thing. Crucially, critically important. You've got to be able to do those tasks. But like I've always said, your pen in your pocket is gonna put more people in prison and bring more people to justice and help your victims than any other tool that you've got in your toolkit.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Your knowledge of the Fourth Amendment, your ability to interview, to prepare a case for prosecution, that's the daily grind. Correct. And if you go twice a year to shoot a gun and drive a car, that's what you have to do to protect your agency from liability. It doesn't really help you for the most part. I mean, to continue ranting, a qual doesn't help you win a gunfight at all, to me. It's can you pull the trigger while pointing in a certain direction? That's what a qual is. It's not going to help you win a fight. So go to classes that are going to help you do your job, stay alive, win the gunfight, not just can I shoot an 80 once a year? That's ridiculous. So train and use these guys. And at the very least, I would say explore them and see if it's good for your agency. If you call your person, you're like, I don't like the cost, or I don't like that guy, or you know, they're not all whatever, that's fine, but at least take the time, especially if you're a trained coordinator to explore, would this help me out? Maybe take some weight off of me and put it on these guys.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Absolutely. And I I promise you, I I cannot understand how we would not be a good fit for any agency out there. You just you just gotta give it a shot. If you're unfamiliar with it, if you're unfamiliar with what we do, do a little research, make a couple of phone calls, talk to your friends and neighbors, and I'm sure you're gonna get some very positive feedback.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

Thank you so much for your time.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

You're welcome.