How to Develop the 70%

Let's get into the meat and potatoes of the five subjects covered by TF70.  If you're in the 30% that have access to regular training and career development, I'm confident they can still offer you something - again - free of charge.

At the very least, if you have an agency with 10 people, one of them should be venturing out and learning what the rest of the world is doing.  Then take that knowledge and those skills home, and provide the best service you can to your community.

Thanks for listening!

-LEO

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Good morning. Welcome back, John Chappie. How are you? Doing well. Thank you, man. Really appreciate you being here and providing services to the 70% of police officers that are not at major metropolitan departments. So during the last episode, you mentioned five distinct training areas that you guys can offer. And I wanted to kind of go and get a little into the meat and potatoes and ask you a couple questions about how you train those different things, if that's all right with you.

SPEAKER_04 0:34

Yeah, absolutely. I think that would be a good level of detail for for folks to know what we do before they before they come join us.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Perfect. So what's the first one you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_04 0:45

So constitutional judgment. So this is love that name, by the way. Yeah, thank you. That was I don't have many good ideas, but trying to that that title, it it's not super important, but for context, it might be. Officers are taught the constitution. When they're taught it at all, they're taught the Bill of Rights, and they don't teach what what its purpose is and where it comes from. So what we start with when every class that we teach is constitutional judgment, but that starts with knowing what the constitution is and how it's framed. So the constitution is important, but the constitution existed in a different form before it was passed. So it was the Articles of Confederation before that. It had the same purpose, though. The actual founding document is the Declaration of Independence. So it's been expressed by some, and it's it's kind of a theme at Hillsdale, that the actual thing we're protecting is the Declaration of Independence. That's the apple of gold. That's what the country is. The Constitution is the frame of silver that protects it. So that's why it's it's adjustable. That's why we can do amendments to it, is it's meant to, it's not malleable, but it's adjustable when it's necessary to better protect the apple of gold. So in order to understand that as a cop, we need to know that that's the foundational guidance from which every decision we make should flow. That is the key portion. And to know that, you have to know what the declaration actually says, and then you have to know what the constitution actually says. So that's the first thing we we teach. And with that comes an understanding of the separation of powers. And our job as an Article II power, as it's expressed in Federalist 17, is critically important for law enforcement officers to understand from the get before they make a single decision. And it's not really taught. The Bill of Rights are the first 10 amendments to that constitution, which were a political compromise, the Bill of Rights were, because the anti-federalist, which was the other faction when, as we were developing the Constitution, demanded. And it turns out that Madison especially was happy after the Bill of Rights was passed. He was happy that it was, even though we fought against it, because it it became clear to him that it was actually necessary. So all cops learn the First and Fourth Amendment in their textual form without that founding framing of why it's important. So, and and it is critically important that officers know those amendments in detail. So we need to know the rest to inform our day-to-day judgment as to not only what we're supposed to do, but why we exist and who we serve. So we swear an oath to the Constitution because that we are the physical manifestation of force that protects the declaration. So that is our job. That is what we do. So we don't exist to support the state, we don't exist to support the federal government. We we serve that function, but that's not actually why we exist. So that's the first of our big five that we teach.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Kind of a base level change in mindset of the cop.

SPEAKER_04 4:29

That is correct. Because that's that is literally what we do. And and when we, whether intentionally or unintentionally, it's kind of immaterial, whether that's been bred out of us through the the love of institutionalism as a way to depersonalize government, or whether it was done intentionally to weaken the power of the individual citizen, functionally doesn't matter, but it has happened. So teaching these officers this is super important. I see officers make better decisions, especially in emergency situations, just with the simple thing of understanding that. Things like that. We create situations sometimes that aren't constitutionally necessary. Yeah. And then we muddle our way through it and we end up in the worst case scenarios, we end up using force that is justifiable somewhat through through case precedents or local community standards, but still doesn't mean we should have been doing it in the first place.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Not necessary.

SPEAKER_04 5:43

Right. Well, and that's where the other reason this is important is the public at large is concerned about the militarization of the police. The police have always been a paramilitary function.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

What's important, and that's, in my opinion, is missing from modern law enforcement training, starting in about the 1930s, is understanding the difference in the constitutional job of the police versus the military. So the fact that we're wearing plate carriers and carrying rifles is not militarization of police. What is militarization of the police is treating the police like privates. And we are officers. So Norman Swarzkopf's father, the General Norman Swarzkopf, his father founded the modern iteration of policing in Pennsylvania with the Pennsylvania State Police. He's the one who named us police officers. So we are either police officers or deputy sheriffs. We are called police officers because we are officers of the Constitution. We are not privates. So when we inculcate six generations of cops now into believing that your job is to just follow orders, like that is not our job. We are officers. We are deterministic with discretion. So that type of mindset of lack of focus on what our job actually is and who we actually report to leads to things like officers walking down the middle of the street during the jab lockdown, shooting people on their own front porch with pepperball guns because they're not going inside.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:32

Like that's what leads to that. And that's not the individual officer's fault. That's that's an educational and institutionalization of the training mechanism. So that's why that's the first of our big five is is we really think that that alone will fix 50% of the civil rights violations that we see, things like that. And we violate people's rights all the time, unintentionally. That is a function of executing an Article II power. What's important is that number one, we recognize it, we get a training outcome from it or a training takeaway from it. But also the less harm we can do while we're doing that is only made possible, or doing less harm when we intentionally or unintentionally violate somebody's rights is the level of understanding of what those rights are and what our place in all of that is. It also, the militarization problem isn't one of equipment, it's one of centralization of education and centralization of mindset. We don't exist, our our citizenry doesn't exist to play pay our salary. The whole purpose of law enforcement is to protect the community that we are actually working for. So that community drives the train, not us. So it doesn't mean we don't enforce the law, but in Federalist 17, Hamilton does a great job of expressing why localized police is an absolute requirement for the Constitution to remain intact because different communities expect different things. It's not that they get their own laws, it's that how those laws are enforced are a community standard. And the the what people think of as a militarization of the police is actually a centralization of mindset. So that's what we're trying to help the officers and the communities that they serve with through the constitutional judgment program.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

And if you get some of these First Amendment auditors and you dump them in small town USA, they may win some big lawsuits when it gets to federal court. So understanding the constitution, it could protect the town financially and the individual officer. You know, you may win in Hartiman County, Tennessee court, you may win that civil suit. But if it ends in a 1983 lawsuit in federal court, you may end up very jammed up personally and lose qualified immunity and go through a lot of things that we just don't want. So that training sounds like it could really protect the agency and the deputy officer or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

It really does. And and we we always get ourselves into trouble with hubris. And thinking that we understand something and thinking that the citizens work for us and they're gonna do what I tell them to do is a mindset shift. That's the badge. Right. Exactly, which is bullshit. Like we work for those people. Yeah. And and somebody, you know, cracking their window and saying, I pay your paycheck, yeah, that's not cool. That's not ensuring the religious tranquility. Yeah, that's fine. But officers make bad mistakes when their ego gets engaged. And their ego gets engaged because they don't, they they simply don't possess the foundational understanding of what their job is and and where those authorities come from, which is the constitution. We can fix 99.9% of those problems with just that one block of instruction. Awesome. So what's the next block? So the next block is marksmanship, and we focus specifically on rescue marksmanship. So as I said in the last episode, the community expects the officer that comes to their house for a stolen, you know, carwheel call at one o'clock in the morning. They expect that guy to be an absolute Delta Force badass. Yeah. Like that's what they're paying for. And that is actually a reasonable expectation. The reason marksmanship's important to that is because marksmanship has become institutionalized necessarily because of a combination of lack of resourcing and instructor credentialing systems, which were encouraged beginning in the 1919 to 1925 era, where we wanted something to be documentable to avoid a respondent liability issue for a for a department, which makes sense. Like we have to show that somebody can meet a standard. The problem is human nature being what it is, we instantly move from how do I make this individual officer capable of doing what's necessary through the application of lethal force to the standard that's expected, to how do I test him so that I can sign a piece of paper that says that he can do that. Well, that encourages.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

I mean, you see it in schools too, right? Versus how do I educate this child versus how do I show that I educated this child? It's painting a picture of doing the job versus doing it. You are you are absolutely nailing it on the head.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

And and when a a department of seven people has a has a firearms instructor, let's say that they're lucky to do that, which less than 50% of the departments that we serve actually have a certified instructor. Wow. But all they when they do have one, they have an instructor. There is a difference between an instructor who is it it's not as bad as I make it sound through the use of the word, but it's the best descriptor. They're regurgitating what they were taught by the state as like this is the standard and this is how we score it. Here's how we threw it together. Right, exactly, which is cool. But training of especially constitutionally judged force tools is an individual teaching problem. And that is very difficult to do when you're pushing a police academy of 100 people through. And and you don't you know that you don't have enough time to begin with. So what we're trying to teach with the rescue marksmanship piece is to teach individual officers to we give them a mechanism, we show them how to do it, and then we how to maintain and and build capacity to do it, to be able to shoot to a standard on a continuous basis. So it's all built around a validation mechanism that they take with them and they shoot the same thing. They so in our courses, they don't shoot to a time standard, they shoot to an accuracy standard, so which is three inches, 15 yards an in with a pistol and three inches 25 yards an in with a rifle. And the reason for that is that's what the community expects them to be able to do. If we are using force in a domestic law enforcement environment, that we are only using force because we absolutely have to. Right. This is not military combat shooting where we are attempting to deny use of an area through gunfire, or which is a very legitimate military use of force.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Yeah, develop fire superiority.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

Yeah, you don't do that as a that's not a thing, right? And it would be unconstitutional if we did.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:23

So the in order to make somebody stop doing what caused us to start shooting them, and these these statistics aren't solid because they don't exist in any kind of centralized format. As best I can, I can I can suss out, we shoot about 5% of the people that we could. So that shoot at. Yep. And and nationally, we have a miss level over 70%, like missing the body completely when we do shoot. So that means that the the number is under 1% of effective shots fired versus shots that could be fired. Yeah. So that is a that's a serious issue. And that's created because we have them qualify the average officer in the the departments that we serve through Task Force 70. The average round count, the median, I'm sorry, not the average, is 50 rounds a year.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

That's what they shoot. As you know, that is a ridiculously low number of reps to be able to reliably do something under stress. Right. Because on the qualification course, they're doing it with the left side of their brain, which is all logical. They know what's coming. Yep. In order to get from the right side of the brain where stress decisions are made, over to the left side of the brain where the mechanical neurology works, they the mechanical neurology needs to be developed to the level where it can touch naturally. And that only exists if you're doing very focused, very, very precise training. That's the only way to build the brain neurology to the level where an officer can reliably make those hits. It's like just four rounds in eight seconds from the 25. Yeah, that's all bullshit. That's all that doesn't happen. Let's check the box. That's can you shoot this direction? Well, and it's a mechanical test because they're only working with the left side of their brain. So what we're trying to teach them is how to still do that, but do it in a way that's measurable over time. So we know physiologically, through myself and Chris Sislov, one of my longtime partners, talking to trauma surgeons, the the body mechanics, the the off switch is about three inches, whether it's in the head or the heart. And the whole point of shooting somebody is to make them stop doing that. And the only way to make them stop doing that is to hit that three-inch circle. It's the top third of the of the heart, or it's it reaches the middle part of the brain from any angle from the head.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Anybody that's had an officer-involved shooting would love if they could have made the first round hit the stop button.

SPEAKER_04 18:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

You don't want to shoot those six and then see how they're doing, you know, all that stuff that comes with it.

SPEAKER_04 18:29

Yes. And especially with pistols. Pistols don't kill the vast majority of people that they they strike. They just don't. I've investigated hundreds of shootings. And and it's actually pretty it's usually an execution if a pistol kills somebody. Like it's literally uh they might as well be in Maoist, China, you know, kneeling in front of a trench to get killed by a pistol. So, and that's our primary weapon system. So, so our our rescue marksmanship is is designed to teach them how to reliably do it with no stress, and then take it home because we only get them for you know, at best five days at a time, and they're not shooting that whole time, because we have a whole other side of pieces to touch, to give them a way to develop their skills themselves. Because that's the only real solution. Forced tools of any kind, whether lethal or less lethal, are only properly developed individually. So, and that requires effort. So we encourage them to make that effort, and then we give them a very easy way to track that effort that eventually we've given them the mechanism to introduce the time element, which and something I've taught firearms for a really long time, commercially and for departments. And the timer does not generate stress. It just doesn't. The stress exists on the right side of the brain, and the timer exists on the left side of the brain. So the timer's fine, like use it if you want, but it needs to be a mechanism to drive progress, which is how it's properly done. So all of our scoring on what we teach is zero, is perfect. Like we want no misses. We know that's not generally possible, right? But the what the community expects of us is a zero. Like everything we fired went where we wanted it to. So, and that's very difficult to do and very difficult to teach. And most firearms instructors aren't capable of teaching it in the first place. But every officer can very quickly intuitively understand that concept and walk away with at least the beginning tools to teach themselves that. So that's what our marksmanship program is at its core. And then it's layered onto the following three programs of instruction that are part of our program.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Okay. So we've talked about constitutional judgment, rescue marksmanship. What's number three?

SPEAKER_04 21:06

Number three is breaching. So I can't tell you the amount of times I've come, especially working now. I I came from big departments and and have like progressively worked at some departments throughout my career. I can't tell you how many times here I have I have come up on a patrol call either in our jurisdiction or going to support somebody in another jurisdiction. The the patrolmen don't carry breaching tools. And there's somebody's yeah, somebody's screaming bloody murder inside of a house, and I have a Fourth Amendment exception to enter the house because of the extendency of the circumstance, but I don't have the tools to do it.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

So officers are are picking up shovels off the front yard or you know, trying to kick doors, which breaking windows with batons and trying to reach through or clear the path to climb in. Yeah. It's like every Every cop has been there.

SPEAKER_04 22:01

Yep. So, and it it's not a huge resource lift to get the proper tools. It's just not. What's missing is the training piece. So we we show them the tools that we recommend. And one of them is just a bro bar. Like every patrolman should be carrying a bro bar, not only to breach cars, but they're also pretty effective for residential structures. All the way up to a Hamaltro hydraulic tool that a patrol car can carry, right? Like everything in between. We show them what they all are, and and we do some level of putting, you know, having pointing them at the grants that will help them get them, things like that. We do a little bit of that because every jurisdiction is different. But it at its base, we show them how to mechanically breach a door. And and and the number of patrol officers who've been properly trained to do that is damn near zero. Like how to just identify a push door and a pull door. Yeah. Like how many hinges or not? I mean, it it's really that simple. And it's not that the officers are dumb, it's quite the opposite. Yeah. They've just never been taught. Yeah. Like, and and as you know, like it takes four hours to teach somebody to be a breacher. Like a mechanical breacher. That's all it takes. Like it's just an effort.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

And what a skill to have if somebody's dying inside, right?

SPEAKER_04 23:24

Right. Exactly. Or like how to, and within that four hours, we can teach a guy to reliably breach a car. Like get inside the car. The guy who who cracks his window, you know he has a warrant, won't give you his ID guy. Like we we have a constitutional judgment problem of standing on the side of the road arguing with this asshole when that's not what the community expects of us. Like we're wasting resourcing effort, increasing risk because we're not confident in our ability to get inside that car and you know, drag his ass out. Because there are times and and constitutionalism is often mistaken in especially in the the auditor community, and I'm not degrading them by saying that, but the the the individual citizen people who take republicanism uh in its definitional form seriously, which I do too. Like I I really believe that the individual citizen drives the country.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

But the auditing can get ridiculous. I mean, the people standing on the properties gets retarded. I know, and or they're secretly recording, it's absurd. Right. Well, in daytime.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

And they don't understand the constitution either is part of the problem. They're doing it for clicks. Like, but that group of people mistakes constitutional judgment for weakness. Like I have a constitutional mandate to ensure domestic tranquility. And you standing out on the sidewalk screaming bloody murder because I asked you for your ID because I had a reasonable suspicion a crime occurred. It is not nicer to the community for me to argue with you for 20 minutes. Like you're gonna do what I tell you to do. And that is a constitutional stance for the officer. But the officer doesn't have the confidence in his abilities to do that. So, which is why breaching is also super important, is it makes them confident that if I've made the decision that I don't care what that guy thinks, I'm breaking into his car or his house. I have a legal reason to enter this house right now. Right. And now he doesn't have to doubt, well, am I going to be able to get that door open? Because modern domestic construction in the United States is pitiful. Like, you know how easy it is to breach a door. And and they just don't have this the individual's capacity that doesn't take much effort to develop that then now they have options. Like I know I can get in that door. Yeah. So now I can use the left side of my brain to decide should I do that? Even if it's legal, is it smart? Like he can make those kinds of decisions. Yeah. Instead of trying to determine, well, do I need to call the freaking SWAT team out because there's a metal screen door that I can't get in? You know what I mean? Like that's just silly. And that's a resourcing and and hubris challenge at the patrol level.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

So that's something. I was talking to a friend this week who just in the last month had her second officer-involved shooting in like a three-year span. And she was talking about just that the judgment of okay, there's somebody on a porch. We got a call that this guy on this porch has a warrant out for a shooting. I have five officers, she's a sergeant. I have five officers working on my shift. Three of them are tied up on calls, and two are being dispatched to this. It's three in the morning in the projects. Legally, can we walk up and touch base with them? Yes. Right. Do we probably win this gunfight with a group of guys on the porch with a bad backdrop? Maybe. So it's developing that judgment of yes, it's legal. Also, is it a good choice? Or as I like to say, lawful but awful. Is it just dumb?

SPEAKER_04 27:24

Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

But you got to develop that knowledge and that understanding to start thinking like that.

SPEAKER_04 27:30

Well, exactly. And all of that comes down to individual confidence. And there's false confidence, which a lot of cops have, but but that's actually easily addressable. What's hard to develop is righteous confidence. So one of the things we push is the only way to develop trust in a community is for the officers to be trustworthy. And trustworthiness is an individual thing, right? And there's two mental and two physical aspects to being trusted as a law enforcement officer. On the physical side, are you physically fit? And do you have the skills necessary, like breaching, rescue, marksmanship, medical skills, to be confident? Like those are the two physical things that I have control over as to whether or not I can be trustworthy to the community that I'm serving. Intellectually, do I have the knowledge, like the raw facts of constitutional law, state law, what my policies are, things like that. Those three pieces come together to develop the intellectual capacity for judgment. So that's what drives good judgment. Good judgment drives individual confidence, which leads we create a positive feedback loop of better and better decisions the more we refine those four aspects of individual responsibility. So you're absolutely correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

All right. So that's three down. What's the next section you like to train on?

SPEAKER_04 29:04

The next one is medical. So there are stop the bleed programs across the country. There's lots of great emergency medical training that officers get. However, we also teach it because number one, every class we touch somebody who doesn't own a tourniquet and doesn't know how to use it. Yep. Because the officers we're touching are these small town under resourced, don't have a pot to piss in. If they have a tourniquet, it's one that their chief bought off Amazon for $4. And like as soon as we test it, it breaks. Like those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

I went to HERFA, high-risk fugitive apprehension, put on by the Marshall Service. And so you got a bunch of task force officers with the Marshal Service and deputy marshals. And some of them have first aid kits where when they say, either wear in your first aid kit, a tourniquet is usually on the outside, but where's your gauze? Go ahead and get it out. And you end up with scissors that are still in the plastic wrap. So they have the scissors to cut pants off in the event of an arterial bleed, but they're they're cl they're like sealed up. And so there's people that don't know their first aid kits at all.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Right.

unknown 30:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Um that often, and you see people that don't even know what's in there. And it's like what's in your first aid kit. And they're like, they start unzipping it. They're like, well, and they pull out, you know, the tube to put up people's nose and the lube. Right. They're like, I got some lube. And it's like, okay, you don't know how to use any of this stuff at all.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

Right. Well, they were again the same as firearms. They were a box check for a bureaucrat. Like, we got a grant to do medical training because of Columbine. So we got X number of dollars. I trained that guy. I issued him the kit. He went through the stop the bleed for four hours. Back in that, and they're done. And that's bullshit. Like all of these skills, every skill that we do, there's 206 patrol skills. So every one of those we need to be able to do on demand. You're not a master police officer until you can do that. So the other reason we touch medical is because it is absolutely applicable to domestic tactics. So, which we're we'll probably run out of time. We'll talk about tactics a little bit, but tactics are a seriously misunderstood thing in the law enforcement world. And understanding the medical requirements to properly execute tactics is super important for patrol guys. So that's why we cover it.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

All right, man. I love that because medical, I mean, you may need it for a suspect. You go to a shooting, but also if one of your friends gets shot, how would you like to not know how to stuff gauze in a bullet hole? Or if your friend has a heart attack and you have an AED next to you and you don't know how to work that AED, you can't follow the digital instructions. You're, you know, not peeling in the things off the pads. It's simple stuff that you can you can learn in what? Four years old.

SPEAKER_04 32:06

Yeah, it's easy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Or the most common in a rural area is somebody cuts their freaking hand off with a chainsaw, and which we've had here like quite a bit, those kinds of things. That's a very common rural call. The vast majority of medical uh service provided in small communities is provided by the police first. So, which is another large agency bias that drives national training standards, uh, which is wholly inappropriate for 70% of law enforcement officers, is waiting for EMS is not an option in a town of 3,000 people.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yeah. And not just that, but with use of force, I mean, if you shoot somebody or get just get in a fight and beat somebody up, you need to know how to render aid because if that 1983 lawsuit hits federal court and you just stood over him and he was handcuffed and you're like, well, I'm safe, and you light a cigarette, you might end up liable for something. Yeah, you're doomed. You're damned.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

So, number five, what's section five that you like to cover? Section five is tactics, and that's actually the majority of the class, but all the other pieces are kind of interwoven with it. It's not hard to teach a domestic law enforcement officer to execute a universal set of tactics that applied it to any almost any terrain. So we tend to over specialize CQB in a, especially in the SWOT world, it's really bad. But for the patrol guy, they need to know a tactic that works for approaching a car, approaching a breach point, dealing with the inside of a house. And that's what we teach, but that's taught throughout the course in a way that that both sides of their brain can retain it. And again, just like marksmanship, they can retain it and and rapid or do the reps necessary for it to become an instinctual, what's called a heuristic response.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

I love what you said because I was on a mid-sized department, I would call it uh when I was a local cop. It was about 600 officers. Might sound big to some people. You know, if you're NYPD, it sounds like peanuts. But our SWAT team, our commander, our team leaders were really good about pushing. Tactics don't change. Hostage rescue tactics, the priorities change, but the tactics, the way to clear a doorway, the priorities of open door versus closed door versus suspect versus citizen, it all remain the same. And just simplifying it, man, it helps so much when you're in that shitty situation and things are sticky. It needs to be simple, or you're just gonna fumble it. You're not gonna remember a complex movement pattern.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

That's absolutely correct. And and again, we're dealing with officers, not privates. So the more we treat them like private, the more private behavior you get. So let's treat them like officers, teach them the principles that we're trying to reach, and and some heuristic tactics that they can apply all the time.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yeah. So we got a few minutes left. How do people reach you? And what's the, you know, if somebody in the 70%, somebody in, you know, rural county Wyoming needs some training from you, how do they reach you? What are the costs they can expect associated with it? And what's the process with that?

SPEAKER_04 35:35

So it's actually really easy. It's TF like TaskForce70.org. Okay. They can go there, they can make contact with us. Our service does not cost departments or individual officers anything. What we asked, it doesn't cost officers or agencies anything. Okay. Uh that that's why we're a foundation. So what we need is donors, which can reach us at the same place at tf70.org slash donate. The vast majority of our donations come in with monthly donors who give us 20 bucks a month.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

And and they they just want to help. And we're a legitimate nonprofit as opposed to some of the stuff that people see in the news. So industry support pays for the things that our small donors can't. So the the number one impediment to people sending off or agencies sending officers to us to train them is the cost of their replacement while they're gone. And the foundation covers that as well. So we we want to make this as low barrier as possible to get as many cops that we can build into mentors for their local region. So that's that's how we do it. People can reach us at TF70.org. We're also on YouTube and the Instagram and Facebook and all of the things. If they just search for Task Force 70 Foundation, they'll they'll be able to see us.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

I saw you on the Leo guy Facebook, you or Instagram rather, you put something about, you know, pistol caliber carbine rifles for patrol and and the usefulness of that. So yeah, I like that you're exploring stuff like that. I have a PCC, I have one of the Ruger PC9s with a little Hollis and red dot on top. That's super fun to shoot. But I love the exploration of what works best and testing it and the reality of what's the usefulness of these things. So thank you for what you give back because 70%. I mean, giving back to the majority of people that we don't think of that are kind of getting left in the dark is fantastic. Especially is great.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

Yeah, and that's that's what we're trying to do is is train as many of those dudes as we possibly can. So we really appreciate you having us on, and I look forward to being on again, my friend. Thanks, Chappie. Let's do it again. Thanks, brother. See ya.